The Power of Theocracy

Living in a Progressive theocracy means the framework of civic debate is always going to be a Progressive framework. The Prog mullahs establish the premises, set the rules and dictate what is and what is not permitted. They police the debate to make sure no one is coloring outside the lines or questioning the official orthodoxy. In Iran, they allow debate until it bumps into heresy, then they start shooting people. In America, the Progs will ruin a few careers to send a message to the others that may have heretical thoughts.

It should be noted that the two most successful Middle Eastern countries, in terms of stability and world influence, are both theocracies, Iran and Saudi Arabia. If you throw in Israel, which is a Western implementation of Levantine theocracy, the three most successful Middle Eastern societies are theocratic. You’ll also note that the machinations of these three countries are at the center of great power politics. Russia, China, Europe and the US Empire are fixated on the Middle East. Theorcracy is not without its merits.

Anyway, the Prog theocracy of America is a hybrid creation that evolved over the last century into something that relies on the tools of an official religion to exploit the institutions of a modern social democracy. Progressives control the normal public debate that occurs within a social democracy by declaring a wide range of topics off-limits on moral grounds. This narrows the range of possible answers, funneling the public debate into the cattle chute of their choosing, thus resulting in a policy the Prog mullahs prefer.

A good example of this is race. It is largely assumed that Progs use race as a political lever to win elections or as a cudgel to beat the bad whites. That’s part of it, but the real utility of race for the Progs is to maintain their position as the moral authority, the arbiters of what is and what is not acceptable public discourse. As long as they are the ones determining the line between good and evil, they control pubic debate. There’s no argument you can craft that can overcome their moral superiority.

You see that here in this story on the collapse of black entrepreneurship. It’s a long emotive ramble not worth reading, but the gist of the article is that the collapse of black business is due to the magic of invisible discrimination by big business and banks. No evidence is provided, but good thinkers don’t need it. The bulk of the piece is the writer establishing his credentials as a friend of the black man, thus providing him with the moral authority to call out the heretics. Unsurprisingly, it is The Man!

As Steve Sailer pointed out, there are explanations for this collapse in black entrepreneurship that don’t involve magic. Immigration is one explanation that leaps out on a ghetto tour. In Baltimore, for example, Koreans and South Asians go into tough neighborhoods and open cash businesses like liquor stores and food stands. Their willingness to do business through bullet proof glass allows them to complete in these neighborhoods. Their clannishness allows them to dominate.

This is not the result of magic. It is the result of Progressive polices over the last thirty years. Similarly, is the Prog desire to decorate corporate enterprise and the academy with non-white faces. Instead of the Talented Ten Percent staying in the black community, building businesses, providing discipline and leadership, they are out in honkyville. Diversity hiring is a form of colonialism that skims the best and brightest into the dependency of corporate life, leaving behind the squalor of the rest.

There are certainly other reasons why black enterprise has collapsed, like the financialization of the American economy via credit money. There’s no doubt that the concentration of wealth, as well as the lack of restraint by the political class on its use, has severely disrupted the American middle class. There’s a lot of material there if someone is genuinely curious about what is happening in the black community. That’s not what matters to the Progressives. What matters is establishing their moral authority.

When the Iranian youth decided it was time to take on the Mullahs at the start of the Obama administration, they just assumed they had the numbers to force change on the regime. The regime, on the other hand, knew they possessed the moral authority to enforce order. That’s the real power of possessing moral authority. It’s not that it intimidates enemies of the regime. It’s that it sidelines the uncertain and motivates the true believers. When you get to draw the moral boundaries, you always win.

That’s the challenge to any movement that seeks to displace the Progressive authorities in America. It’s not about winning elections or getting the numbers in legislatures. It’s about stealing from the Progs their moral authority and their ability to frame the debate. If they have to rely on facts and reason, they are doomed, but as long as they get to set the terms of the debate, facts and reason don’t matter. That’s why the medieval House of Saud still stands and why the Mullahs in Iran are still with us. They define right and wrong.

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Andy Texan
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Wow. What an amazing and powerful insight. I wish the borg converged adherents of the progressive religion could be influenced by your analysis. Alas, you are just preaching to the non-faithful.

Dutch
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Fish are not aware of the water. That is the advantage vs. the Progs that we must exploit. The Prog puppeteers are certainly aware, but the rest of them are oblivious to all of what Zman is talking about. Heck, many of us mostly are, too, which is why these Zman posts are so valuable. Having our intuitive hunches and vibes put into black and white clarity. Back to the subject at hand–Hit ’em where they ain’t lookin’.

Caleo
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This post about just about nails it. Unfortunately, the Alt-Right/dissident right thinks an onslaught of facts and figures will win hearts and minds in Middle America. That won’t cut it, although you would think it would since we have a mountain of statistical data on our side, so to speak.
What we lack is the moral authority, or a deep seated belief in the moral righteousness of our cause.

Joey Junger
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It’s not just that facts and figures can’t alter the geography of the fight. Even when progs are victims of minority violence, they obfuscate or flat-out lie (like the German girl who falsified the identity of the refugee who raped her, or the one moonbat who was raped in darkest Haiti and blamed it on the white man).

A.B. Prosper
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The Alt Right has s a strong Christian component too it and a very strong rhetorical competent as well . Vox Day is especially good helping people understand rhetoric moves more than dialectic Also go check out the Donald subreddit, its .Alt Light not .Alt Right but the amount of delegitimization of the Cathedral going on there is breathtaking. The problem is though that too much of the .Alt Right is focused on Christianity and doesn’t have a clear answer for “what if it doesn’t come back .” This is especially the case in Europe where religion just ins’t nearly… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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Christianity’s coming back is not not entirely or even mainly up to us. Throughout history it’s been a movement of the Holy Spirit, particularly as seen in the three major revivals early in the history of the US that so shaped the founding. But paradoxically these revivals also required the efforts of thousands of believers, new and old. So, it wouldn’t hurt anyone anywhere to pray for revival and to equip oneself for rhetorical combat with the Prog heretics that have taken over the mainline churches by studying The Word. The Prog heresies have prevailed through the confusion wrought via… Read more »
A.B. Prosper
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This implies that said person is Christian or the society is Ignoring .Prog heresy , you still can’t take that for granted, A lot of Europeans and increasing numbers of White and other actual Americans are non religious or like myself very weakly religious even in places where you’d expect religion to have sway. Places that are fairly traditional, conservative, nationalist and religious all at once aren’t doing much better than Prog areas either. Hungary and Poland meet the criteria and they are about as well off as Germany though at least not diverse, This isn’t the doing of the… Read more »
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That’s why you go with race and culture.

Joey Junger
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A key way to not let them define the boundaries of debate is to respond to the charge of racism (the WMD of the progressive arsenal) not as mainstream conservatives do, by blathering about the democratic party plantation or how MLK was a conservative, etc., but to behave like the alt right types and give a big shrug capped by a Breibart “So?” Once you respond outside of the framework of options they’re familiar with, you’ve changed the framework. Liberals claim to believe in science, especially evolution, Well, since human beings have been racist/parochial/tribal/clannish throughout most of our species’ history,… Read more »
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The appropriate response isn’t a Breitbart “So?”. It is punching the accuser in the face and telling them to go die in a fire. The moment you accuse me of racism is the moment you stop being people to me.

Dutch
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The social context is everything, but I like to use the “Breitbart ‘so?'” in most situations I find myself in. Gets the job done nicely without any assault charges being filed. It has a side benefit of completely scrambling their internal logic trees.

Member

“You must be a racist.”
“That’s what people like you have taught me to be.”

Ripple
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The fact that Trump won shows that the Progs moral authority has been significantly weakened. Although it is just one victory in a long war.

Rod1963
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More than that. it also showed that Trump supporters didn’t care about all the progtard labels thrown at him. In fact they reveled in it, because it drove the progtards insane with rage.. The Left(and political class) threw everything at him including the dreaded “Nazi” and “Hitler” bombs at him and it didn’t matter. People were and are fed up with the Left and their nightmarish bullshit. However the progs have now resorted to street violence to intimidate us. They know the authorities won’t stop them and the GOP won’t say squat because its a bunch of cucks and wall… Read more »
TRX
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Any time anyone has ever tried to assert their moral authority over me, it always came down to “because I said so!”

Worldly Wiseman
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all valid points, but what is conservative in america, today or in the past? was there ever a time when america was conservative?

Calsdad
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What is “conservative” – does anybody even know any more? What exactly are you “conserving” ? That’s a question I’ve been asking many self professed conservatives for quite some time now.

Ryan
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That is the heart of the problem. “Conservatives” have no idea what they’re supposed to be conserving. If you’re looking for an honest answer, check this out:

https://dissentingsociologist.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/in-defense-of-sheeple/

Ivar
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Good point. The U.S. has always been a more or less Jacobin country. Progressivism is home-grown with strong roots in American Jacobinism and Neo Puritanism.

Alzaebo
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Could I ask for the quickie definition of ‘Jacobin’? Seen it used differently in more than one country/historical example. Thanks.
(Severe time constraints, aka 15 hour workdays)

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The quickie definition is destructive, violent leftist. It is actually more complicated than that. The Jacobins were a political club in revolutionary France that took the name of the Jacobin monastery that they met in. Their initial policy was in favor of a constitutional monarchy dominated by a single legislative body, but that turned into demands for a republic absent a king when Louis tried to escape in order to lead a counter revolution. They were initially against war with Austria and Prussia, but when the war came they were able to take advantage of the circumstances to take over… Read more »
Bill Jo ez
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Persians are not Arab.

karl hungus
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BillJob: not all iranians are persians, some are arabs.

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Much to the chagrin of the ladies, not every karl is hung.

Karl Hungus
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who wants to bet that “Mike” upvoted himself? 😛

tamaleman
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I gave him one, he earned it.

Alzaebo
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Me too- I appreciate a lighthearted touch, while Karl remains less than discrete. *a feces-throwing monkey*

karl hungus
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don’t you think it peculiar for a fellow to write a poem to/about another fellow’s genitals? because that is what you upvoted.

Alzaebo
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I withdraw that last bit.
I spelled karl with a capital K, and that was rude of me.

karl hungus
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i can tell you that many young people today do not buy into the prog moral superiority bullshit. and they do not like the coloreds one bit nor think they deserve any special treatment. there is (i believe) a huge pool of antagonism to the blacks now, that wasn’t there before obama.

Ryan
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It’s all relative. My dad was in town a few weeks ago (Houston) and we went to a Walmart in the Galleria area. The place was a multicultural dream/nightmare. The striking thing was that the black people were the normal people.

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They get “Galleria” from Naples. It’s what they call the huge shopping area downtown. (Italy)

Member

How many magic metro movies being made lately?

Member

Negro not metro.

Alzaebo
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Is the giant billboard on I-10 still up?
The one offering $150,000 to Katrina refugees to go back home to New Orleans?

Worldly Wiseman
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fighting progressive theocracy must include the language. good place to start would be that hate word – immigration . it should be associated with the left exclusively and given a bad rep (should not be too difficult). as a substitute i am thinking of the old term ‘settler’ and it’s derivatives. so no more immigration reform or immigration ban – first is toxic and second implies taking something away and hitler and stuff – but let’s say settlers act or something of a kind. the term has a history and all kinds of emotional connections, it is sufficiently different from… Read more »
Al from da Nort
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How about the word colonization_?

It’s even true_!

Worldly Wiseman
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make reconquista great again!

sirlancelot
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A daunting task going up against the left when they have the media and spineless politicians in their back pockets.

The Trump election was a start however at the end of the day he’s just a businessman and so far just looking out for the interests of big business. Go figure.

The narrative must change if any true conservative candidate is to survive the election process.

A good place to start is deprogramming the children when they come home from the public school indoctrination camps.

The silent majority has stayed silent too long. It won’t be easy winning the country back.

karl hungus
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trump’s sole purpose is/was to act as the “North star” for a large but unconnected group of people; this cannot be undone. he was never going to do much himself, from inside the system. secondarily (but also important) he caused all of the traitors “inside the wire” to self identify. things are in motion on a historical scale, and none of the worms occupying center stage (for now) have a chance in hell of stopping it from sweeping them all away.

Dutch
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Trump is the Alpha male and Obama is the Beta. People unconsciously follow the Alphas and avoid the Betas.

Long way of saying that Trump is leading the new, outlawed, kids with the street cred and seductive inappropriate attitudes. Things are changing. They have no answer for it, so things could get interesting.

Alzaebo
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(Definitely upvoted this. My own thoughts indeed, exactly so.)

Calsdad
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You’re pointing out something that I have come to believe is the height of the retardation that infests the right wing.

” a good place to start is deprogramming the children”

Actually – a good place to start is to not infest the children’s heads with progressive mind virus IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The fact that so many conservatives cannot comprehend this simple truth – goes a hell of a long way towards explaining why the left constantly wins.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste – so don’t do it in the first place.

karl hungus
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maybe a follow up essay on what typically comes after a theocracy fails?

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The collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent revival of Russia would be a good case study, though it is still an on-going process. One possibility could be a return to an earlier form.

Alex
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Here’s a great example of how the leaders of the Theocracy handle dissent in their own ranks:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

The message is clear, expose the internal inconsistencies of our faith at your peril.

Member

Trump and his voters are the result of the Cult forcing their definition of right and wrong down the country’s throat. We have puked it up. That’s the short play. The long play? God only knows.

marcberez
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I can hardly believe how much you say in so few words. Awesome!

Fuel Filter
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“That’s why the medieval House of Saud still stands and why the Mullahs in Iran are still with us. They define right and wrong.” They may do that but that’s not why they’re still with us. They still exist because they hold the monopoly on violence to enforce their rule. It has nada to do with “moral authority”. Look at Europe and Briton and the muzlime invasions. Who thinks this would be taking place without the populace willingly disarming themselves due to years of Leftist brainwashing? If half of this shit was happening here there would be mosques burned to… Read more »
Patrice
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“…without ammo, firearms are nothing more than expensive clubs.” http://wingedvictory.bigcartel.com/product/ladies-amo-ammo-camo

Alzaebo
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You’ve also just explained that most corrosive of inventions, the drug war.

This may redeem- nay, also explain- the killing of the libertarians!

This article is why you were born, Zman.
Vast philosophical implications here.

TomA
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It’s not about controlling the debate that matters, it’s about controlling minds. Most of us will never be converted by their rhetoric nor cowed by their admonitions. Their game is to remake the mindset of society by indoctrinating our youth in their political religion. It used to be that they accomplished this via seduction into government dependency (free welfare anyone?). Now they use the mass communication media to rewire minds with repetitive messaging.

Debate is irrelevant once the zombies arise. And we will not be able to talk our way back to being a strong nation again.

Alzaebo
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The fundamental, revolutionary idea behind Darwin’s mechanism of natural selection was of incremental change across glacial periods of time.
It informed all of the natural sciences that followed- many of which had not yet been developed.

I believe that Z’s mechanism of moral authority signaling may be the key, the lodestone, of a similar General Unified Theory of the social sciences, it is that important.

Blessed, we are blessed to come here.

Anna
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Great analysis. These guys are a theocracy but the right is disarmed because they share the same moral beliefs.

The Libertarians don’t . The Progressives are being taken over by the Libertarians and their fans, so it’s going to be interesting. The Libertarians are calling them pseudo-progressives. Remember the totalitarian progs were against LGBT rights until recently then try and appropriate the Libertarian advances…

The problems in the Mid-east come from the Libertarians there and their fans working to overthrow the theocracies. They got rid of the Commies while the right rolled over to die, so let’s see.

Alzaebo
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Yes, Left and Right share the same lust for illusory power, and demand the false authority to strike without retaliation.

Two sides of the same coin, only the sales pitches differ.
This is instinct, not reason, an interesting puzzle.

Alzaebo
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What Heinlein said, “a tiny minority hated by all right-thinking people”-
That’s the libertarians.

Tim
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How does a fish get out of the water? The culture totally envelopes you and channels your thinking, your reactions. To change, you really have to abandon the old media you’re used to. About twenty years ago I gave up on The NY Times, about three years ago quit reading NRO every day….I grew tired of their interminable posts complaining about conservatives being treated unfairly by the press…about two years ago quit watching Fox….now I read a select group of blogs, news aggregators, and read books. Much more satisfactory. Doesn’t change the world, not a single bit. But I’m happier.… Read more »
Tim
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As an addendum, this may be why I was startled on reading the replies to Steve Sailer’s post on a NY Mag article….their series on the alt right. Everyone it seems was congratulating him on being mentioned in the major media. WTF!

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What you’ve described is an evolution I went through but only earlier. Yeah. I agree with your reaction to the Sailer in the media thing, but one thing to remember is that when you are in an argument war the most important factor likely to contribute to your success is having your argument clearly understood. The Sailer article comes closer to this than many prior ones. The bad guys are beginning to realize that simple denunciation isn’t working. Sure, they continue to insist on framing the discourse in their favor, but in setting up their straw man they are letting… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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“Living in a Progressive theocracy means the framework of civic debate is always going to be a Progressive framework.”

I have said this before:

Please, please, PLEASE, stop using Progressive as a synonym for leftist thought. They take it as a compliment. And who in their right mind could be against “progress”? Just remember that someone that walks off a cliff is making great progress…..until they hit the ground.

Patrice
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“Western Christianity may have run out of time and we need a replacement.” Secular-Humanism will never cut it as a Great Unifier. I re-read Francis Schaeffer’s heartfelt, “A Christian Manifesto,” and it actually fit in with how I’ve been seeing the philosophical-divide here and around the world. It even helped propel me to an Easter service after spending the last 6 years at a distance from all things Christian. https://www.amazon.com/Francis-A.-Schaeffer/e/B000APF76M/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1493835325&sr=8-1 While “Progressives” are certainly the overarching problem, Islam, IMO, will become the cutting-edge of that problem, sooner rather than later. (Not that mexican drug-gangs, and plain old Mexican and inner-city… Read more »
Calsdad
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Not for nothing – but the “gun guys” have been addressing this morals problem for quite a long time. Since the lefties have been trying to use the morals argument against the right to bear arms for like – forever. There are at least some within the gun owner community that *finally* figured out what the game was. Not a lot – but some. There are still far too many “gun guys” who will reflexively start quoting facts and figures when attacked by lefties for their ownership of firearms. I fell into this trap for a long time – then… Read more »
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The absolute first act of the French Revolution was not any political statement by anyone anywhere, but when commoners began searching about for ways to arm themselves. I don’t know if they still teach this to tourists at Williamsburg, but one of the lessons they used to teach was the taking of the town magazine by the people in, iirc, 1775. Having a hunting rifle wasn’t enough because after just a few shots with black powder a rifled barrel becomes so fouled it can’t be reloaded. Muskets are not rifled and are less accurate, but can be reloaded many times… Read more »
Buckaroo Banzai
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“Instead of the Talented Ten Percent staying in the black community, building businesses, providing discipline and leadership, they are out in honkyville.”

46 comments in, and nobody has mentioned segregation?? Pre-civil-rights, pre-1965 Jim Crow Segregationism actually WORKED for the black man, by keeping the talented tenth in the black community where they could work for the economic benefit of their fellow blacks, and also enforce responsible family behavior and respect for the law.

Cloudswrest
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Here’s a perfect example of prog “logic”. Asserting morality for rhetorical effect. comment image?oh=004fcc38185e525881099dd8c75aafe8&oe=598A9CA1

Cloudswrest
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Looks like messaging software splits the above link. It’s a jpg followed by an access key suffix.

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You use the talented tenth but others refer to the Pareto principle.

Charles Murray’s basic premise on the coming apart of white America is that we are losing our talented tenth or top intellects to their own segregated areas.. This leaves behind failing communities in the same way (not as bad) as black ones.

Cloudswrest
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Not only that, but their segregated areas are IQ shredders.

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The key article of their Po-mo progressive faith — the Immaculate Conception and Resurrection rolled into one — is that he (xe?) who controls the narrative has the power to oppress and control. Prove to them that isn’t true and they are just another flying saucer cult with the flying saucer two weeks overdue. There is a certain desperation in recent prog pronouncements. Colbert’s rant and the Amanpour interview of She-Who-Must-be-Obeyed are standouts, but the whole “Trump is Putin’s shill” and “he’s gonna put all the illegals in concentration camps and gas them” narratives are other examples. Colbert and Amanpour… Read more »
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It really does feel as if The End Is Nigh. What cannot continue won’t.

And this lunacy cannot. How many hundreds of thousands of unemployable, outside of the collegiate asylums, are being disgorged by the asylums every year?

Alzaebo
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I can just see the Aztec priests demanding, “More sacrifices, more sacrifices!”

fishlaw
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Diversity hiring is a form of colonialism that skims the best and brightest into the dependency of corporate life, leaving behind the squalor of the rest.
A truly insightful remark. I never thought of it that way, but it sure fits.

notsothoreau
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I am curious as to why blacks never ask for reparations from Indians (feather not dot). There were tribes that were slave holders after all. Yet they aren’t expected to chip in.

Anonymous White Male
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Well, there were several large black slaveholders as well. Furthermore, their own people had no problem selling them in Africa. Even today. You think that will ever come up in reparation talks?

Alzaebo
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The largest slaveholder was a black owner in New Orleans with over 3000 chattel assets on inventory. A black man in Alabama cited 6000 black slaveholders to me.

In answer to your question about reparation talks- well, Johnny Cochrane and 4 other prominent lawyers were selling tickets to weekend workshops in D.C.
The tickets were $1500.
The workshops were seminars, “How to Collect Your Forthcoming Reparations Benefits”.

Member

The preferred demarkation is:
How or Dot.

Hosswire
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So true.

Our problem is not that people haven’t heard the truth.

Our problem is that they’ve heard it presented as something only evil low status dumb people believe.

BT in SC
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Totally off topic… Received my copy of “Banana Sunday,” by Christopher Munnion, today. Can’t wait to start reading… Thank you, Zman, and others for the recommendation!

Epicaric
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A minor quibble of little consequence to the validity of the Z’s argument: the Al Saud carry little moral authority within Saudi Arabia, other than from the most self-interested adherents of Islam’s tenets of “rendering unto Caesar.” It is the hard power of their leash on the most “excitable” elements of their society, together with the soft power of the fear that most Saudis have of the alternative (a truly medieval theocracy that would spell the end of their material pleasures) that maintains the status quo. Conversely, the mullahs enjoy greater theocratic legitimacy (as much or more an artifice of… Read more »
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