Positive and Negative

Buckley Conservatives have tried hard to make the term “identity politics” into a epithet, but like all their other efforts, it has been a failure. The only thing David French managed to do in that piece is reveal that he has no respect for his ancestors and he remains petrified of Lefty. He and the other rent boys of the Right can beg and plead all they like, but identity politics is going to be a feature of the next generation of culture wars. As Vox Day is fond of saying, in the future, your skin will be your uniform. Wear it with pride.

What’s driving the growth of the Dissident Right, in part, is the realization among whites that the old political groupings no longer make sense in an age of identity politics. The one common theme among the people and groups now populating the movement is white identity. Some people prefer white nationalism, but that’s mostly the older crowd. There are others who simply go with pro-white. The salient feature here is whiteness and that is generally defined as European, but there is some debate about that too.

Since no one is ready to roll out the equivalent of the Brown Paper Bag Test to determine entry into the Honkyverse, debating these fine distinctions is mostly a waste of time. Like porn, most people know white when they see it. What does matter is the nature of white identity. It’s easy to generalize about what it means to be white and list off some things that are in the interest of white people, but that’s not an identity. At best that’s a list of political goals and at worst a list of complaints about the prevailing order.

Identity movements, as cultural or even political phenomenon, come in two flavors. One is positive and the other is negative. A positive identity is one that exists independently and in isolation. It is true in all times and all places. Its logic is entirely internal and only modifiable by those within it.  A negative identity, in contrast, exists only in context, usually in relation to or in opposition to something else. It is dependent on some outside thing. Its logic is external and modifiable by whatever exogenous thing upon which it depends.

Consider something like Icelandic identity. To be an Icelander means you or your ancestors were born in Iceland. If the rest of the humans on earth die off, the person born on that rock in the North Atlantic is still an Icelander. If for some reason the people within that identity group decide to change the rules, adding some morphological feature, then that will be the new definition. Even if the French protest that change, the Icelandic identity is whatever the Icelanders decide. That’s a positive identity.

Now, think about black identity in America. sub-Saharan Africans come to America and refuse to call themselves black or even African-American. They have a different identity, their own identity. Black Americans are defined by the fact that whites needed farm equipment and brought blacks over to the colonies to work the fields. Everything about the black experience is in relation to this history and its alleged effects on the present. To be black in America is to be defined entirely by your relationship to white America.

This difference in nature is why Icelanders don’t spend all their time listing their grievances against some group outside their group. Blacks, in contrast, do nothing but complain about whites. They define themselves in relation to whites, mostly in how they are treated by whites. It’s why they insist on being close to whites. Section 8 housing is popular with blacks, because it lets them mix with whites and have a daily validation of who they are as people. If whites suddenly went away, blacks would lose their identity.

These are extreme examples. A less obvious example of negative identity is Ireland. The Irish fell into the negative identity camp, defining themselves in opposition to the English, over the years of British occupation. The Irish certainly had plenty of cultural history of their own, but their subjugation by the British eventually began to shift the Irish identity from a positive and internal one, to an external and relational one. It’s why the Irish continue to obsess over British politics, despite having their own government now.

The point of all this is that what’s happening now with white identity has to avoid going down the negative road. If the alt-right, for example, is going to be a laundry list of complaints about non-whites, it can never chart its own destiny. It will always be dependent on those outside groups. On the other hand, if this thing follows the course you see with Jared Taylor, then it can chart its own course. Taylor does not waste a lot of time with grievances, beyond those related to the right to have a white identity.

Put another way, if being pro-white is only going to mean anti-black or anti-Jew or anti-Asian, then it is never going to be a useful identity group. It’s just going to be the nullification of other identity groups. That’s not a movement with a future, because it’s definition lies outside its control. It’s why feminism is curdling into a home for barren spinsters. It’s just a list of grievances. In order to avoid that fate, white identity is going to have to be a positive identity that defines itself, independent of the rest of the world.

The way to do that is as a cultural movement. The reason Progressiveism lasted for half a century, despite being at odds with reality, is it was a cultural phenomenon. Being a Progressive was not just politics. It was a lifestyle. Even today, you can tell a Lefty from a distance because they dress a certain way and act a certain way. One Lefty starts wearing fake glasses and all of them do it. Whatever white identity or pro-white comes to mean, it has to define itself internally, if it is going to be anything more than a passing fad.

Proof of this is the old white nationalist and white supremacist movements. Those old guys complaining about blacks and Jews were just that, old guys complaining about blacks and Jews. You got nothing by being a part of their thing other than endless lectures about blacks and Jews. Even racists run out of ways to keep that interesting. Avoiding the fate of those movement means steering a path down the positive road, even if it takes longer and is less clear. It has to be this way because this is probably the last shot at it.

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Clayton Barnett
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This would dovetail nicely with your earlier post about groups self-policing. What is it about white, WestCiv we seek to, not conserve, but project? For a culture on defense dies.

Brigadon
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Christianity

Allan
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Which sect? Trinitarianism? Arianism? Nestorianism? Muhammadism? ALL of these are defective due to their dependence upon the Jewish superstition and the Jews’ silly doctrine of the Messiah. Furthermore, your favorite flavor of Christianity is evidently a sentimental gutter religion of rabble rousing, poverty, and communist despotism.

Read again, say, Acts 4:32 through 5:11 if you’ve forgotten the depravity of your sect’s founders, e.g. the blockhead given the nickname Peter. Then think of a better religion, if you can.

Pimpkin\\\'s nephew
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With all due respect, Allan, you are an idiot.

Allan
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So, Pn, you have no cognitive objection to any part of what I wrote. Thanks for clarifying that unpredictable fact.

Pimpkin\\\'s nephew
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That’s part of it, perhaps most of it. Our enemies hate Christianity, as all totalitarians do, because it is the platform for living by a personal code, for feeling no guilt in the presence of yahoos, for loving liberty, for accepting death at the hands of pathetic, primitive people, for serving a Master who is not of this world. Christianity is persecuted because it is dangerous. It frees the believer from the shit-storm of “the current year”. It is a prophylactic to mind-rape.

Allan
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Why did Simon Blockhead have Ananias and Sapphira whacked? Was he a littler closer to Jim Jones in character and mentality than Rome’s blood drinking shamans care to admit?

RabbiHighComma
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This is a nice collection of thoughts. I have seen much of the “positive” version of identity, and very little of the other in my interactions with other AltRighters. Sure people like to shitpost Tyrone and Merchant memes, but mostly this is to relieve the stress of being forced to support every other group, while being repaid with hate. With Blacks, most of the AltRight merely want them to live as the Icelanders do – setting their own course and being the better for it. We think well of men like Pastor Manning, Tommy Sotomayor, and the Hoteps. Men such… Read more »
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So Zman… so you’re sayin’

“You’ve got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
And latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between ” !

H/T Johnny Mercer

Great post btw. I think you’ve hit the sweet spot on a delicate subject. MAGA

joe_mama
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So tangential question. Where do patriotic, legally immigrated, well-assimilated foreigners fit into the Jared Taylor/Amren scheme of things?

SpongeBob
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Assimilated???? That is a fallacy more often then not. True assimilation takes multiple generations, some say 3 some say 8 or more. Even then the true test is really a thought experiment. if you take that person and drop them in a virgin land, do the build an america or a little india, llittle china, little france etc. Its more than just skin color and physical location there is a biological component as well.

Dutch
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Assimilation is a mental thing. My black African relatives buy into the American Dream 100%, and completely, overtly reject the Black American “poor me”, separatist, ghetto, “where’s mine?” thing. In fact, they look at such stuff as absolute foolishness and a hindrance to what they are trying to accomplish for themselves and their families. IOW, they want nothing to do with the Black American culture, and prefer to immerse themselves in the White American culture. The kids, too, understand that success lies in their own attitudes to life, and the occasional put down or judgement, sometimes from other Blacks, needs… Read more »
Grayman
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Wrong. “But I know someone who isnt like that” Has no application to population level behavior / traits. Assimilation is cultural and biological. Further even if a very small % can successfully assimilate the vast majority never will. Things like time preference, nepotism, social trust, etc is partially genetic. At the end of the day you or I will not make the decision. It will be made by the local community, whether they accept the person in question or not. Local communities may accept a handle full of people who don’t look like them but only if they are rabidly… Read more »
Dutch
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I see your point, but my point is that the initiative lies with the immigrant, his attitude and his intelligence. We are largely bystanders to that. The issue is not immigration, but who you are letting in. Our stupid immigration policy has allowed us to lose sight of what immigration can do for our culture, if it is done right. My other point is that the Black American culture is this weird, warped thing that exists nowhere else, and is looked at by many foreigners as an insane thing (which it is). The idea that we have allowed the poisonous… Read more »
Joseph Martino
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My father was an immigrant. My mother’s parents were immigrants. It didn’t take our family even 2 generations to assimilate.

Ned2
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I moved to this country when I was 18. Assimilation took about a year.

Karl Hungus
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back in heir home countries

BTampa
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If these foreigners are so wonderful, so productive, so law-abiding… it seems wrong for America to keep them. Let them go back to the lands of their heritage where they are needed to improve those places.

Sam J.
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I the future Whites will be attacked constantly for hogging all the :diversity”.

thelocalpragmatist
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“So tangential question. Where do patriotic, legally immigrated, well-assimilated foreigners fit into the Jared Taylor/Amren scheme of things?”

Taylor celebrates them.

BaruchK
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It seems to me that white identity is, by definition, negative. Meaning, it is what you’re left with when all the other stuff has been stripped away: family, tribe, religion, communal organizations, neighborhood, region, nation. I don’t think that white people at the height of their achievements primarily thought of themselves as white. They thought of themselves as British, Catholic, Southron, whatever. To put it another way, white identity is at its root a product of alienation and atomization. And also a product of Progressive race-based thinking. 150 years ago, a child in school was taught that he was a… Read more »
Grayman
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BaruchK ” Those Jews who’ve had everything that makes them Jewish stripped away from them, before they were born, are white. Sadly.” Perhaps its a case of “sample error” but i know many jews who would fit your definition of “stripped away” at a high level, but if you really dive deep about their identity they identify as jew before “American”. And thats expected, the left has successfully deconstructed traditional American culture to the point that little is left except for the occasional “leave it to beaver” re-run. There is no going back to “the days of yore”. that culture… Read more »
BaruchK
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They identify as Jew before American for the same reason that everyone is Irish on St. Patrick’s Day, that white people will tell you they’re part Indian (that alleged great-grandmother,) that black people will tell you they’re Cherokee (same thing.) America worships the exotic and the standard American thing is no longer cool unless you live in some exotic American subculture (the boonies) with its own unique codes (deer hunting, dipping Cope, etc.) Same thing happened with the Roman Empire-everyone wanted something exotic. It could be Syrian mystery religions, it could be rusticism, whatever-anything but plain old Roman. What does… Read more »
BTampa
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Jews are an ethnic group, a race, a religion, or nothing at all – by turns. It all depends on what they think will benefit them most in a given situation.

BaruchK
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Despite the bad faith in which you make your comment, I’ll give you a genuine answer.

We precede the split between race, ethnicity and religion. When we came into being, these were all the same thing.

Today, we’re definitely not a race-there are Jews of all colors. And any convert is as much a Jew as any born Jew.

A good way to model it is that we are a very large extended family.

BTampa
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If it is “bad faith” to tell the truth about Jews, so be it. Your lie about converts is just that. Jews famously do not seek converts so the few you might point to are statistically insignificant. You are indeed an “extended family” just not mine and not one that can ever be trusted. There’s a reason Jews have been driven out of every civilized country at one time or another and the reason is… Jews. Just so you know, I didn’t always believe this. I was brainwashed for a while with the popular protestant belief that we should always… Read more »
BaruchK
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We do not seek converts, and yet we have a steady stream of them, and always have-at the height of persecution under the Roman Empire, for instance, there were plenty of converts from the Roman elites. What does that tell you? The reason we’ve been driven out of a bunch of countries is the same exact reason that Christians have been driven out of most places in the Muslim world and reduced to persecuted minorities where they have not been driven out. Where are the non-Christians of Western Europe, by the way? You are absolutely right-I am not in your… Read more »
BTampa
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And now you compare Christianity to Islam. That is how Jews really feel and it is evidenced in your unending war on whites. Your filthy “Holocaust Museums” dot our countryside to perpetuate your endless victimhood. Your filth spews out of Hollywood on a daily basis. Your lies are repeated in our “News” organizations 24-7. And you promote the importation of Muslims in mass numbers, knowing exactly where that will lead. No, Christians do none of those things in countries where they are or have been persecuted. The day is coming when you will have a choice to make. I have… Read more »
BaruchK
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Okay there, buddy. Nice chatting to you. Might want to wipe the froth off.

BTampa
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It was interesting taking the temperature of the commenters here. Be happy for now. Most are still following the training of our “Greatest Allies.”

Time is running out though.

sirlancelot
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A clean divorce from black america would be best. No more welfare , section 8, affirmitive action, etc.

Keep our hard earned money to have bigger families and instill pride for all the accomplishments we have made.

The alternative is to watch the savages out breed us and lay waste to all the white man has ever built.

Grayman
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That doesn’t work in reality. The black population cannot effectively compete against whites economically at the population level ( from IQ to violence to time preference to trust level). As a result you end up with either a permanent underclass sin a mixed race society or you end up with Ethiopia next door to a Germany. Neither of those is stable and both end in conflict. A strong ethno-nationalism for both groups is the better solution, even then there is the geographical challenge that there would be major pressure for the blacks to move into the white territories and of… Read more »
Zorost
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Most in the alt-right would except a black/white partition. I doubt if anyone thinks it would be anything but a temporary situation, as Blacktopia would inevitably degenerate into cannibalism and anarchy. This would leave it open to reconquest.

james wilson
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You are not recognizing that our unenlightened ancestors had things figured out. But we must reinvent the wheel instead. Segregation kept a place for blacks that they could identify with and sort out. There was a black middle class that served blacks, not a black middle class that served itself to AA government jobs. Their leaders were leaders, not grifters. There was predictability and comfort for the individual and the group. This was home. Now they have no home, and neither does anyone else. Try comparing the legacy greatness of black society from 1900-1950 with the desert of 1960 to… Read more »
Karl Hungus
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or you end up with camps and trains…

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God help us, it just sound like nice racism; just a lighter weight sin. Racial identity politics of any kind cannot end well. Morals are a way of living life, not a outcome of birth race. If politics home in in this path the country and maybe civilization is lost as we are veering from a better path. I have much more admiration for Booker T. Washington than I do Ted Nugent, and both are patriotic Americans, but Ted and I are the same race, as is Hitler… Race identity does not have worth in evaluating character. I’m keeping in… Read more »
Rick Johnsmeyer
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“Racial identity politics” seems to be an EMERGENT phenomenon, not one that we select from a menu of equally-viable outcomes. In other words, it is a natural function of the social stresses and conflicts created by the collision of disparate groups competing for resources and power. Different groups have different group tendencies and will tend to create different sorts of societies which reflect different group preferences. Some of these sorts of societies are outright offensive to certain groups, or at least unlivable (hence, the “white flight” out of urban America in the 50’s and 60’s). You may not like that… Read more »
james wilson
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We tried ignoring it, and God didn’t help us. Booker T. Washington would tell you to get your head out of your ass.

RabbiHighComma
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Today noted dindu Joy Reid of MSNBC advised the Democratic Party to give up on Whites, who’s interests, she deems, are antithetical to the interests of Blacks and other “minorities” – i.e. we’re the enemy (of course, I’m sure she still expects us to pay for Tyronika’s 8 churrins, SNAP, Section 8, and sail foams) So no. Whites are no longer willing to a unilateral disarmament. In fact, let’s get it on. I like our chances. This is the future you asked for, and by god you gonna get it good and hard. Sorry Shlomo got to rubbing those mitts… Read more »
krbu
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I figured out what churrins means … but sail foams? Huh?

Shrugger
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Cellphones, I think

Bob
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“Sail foams” = “cell phones” in ghetto patois.

BTampa
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Took me a minute… cell phones.

guest
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It’s not us who started identity politics, the other side did, but now that the game is on, don’t blame team honky for playing.

Member

Said like a perfect example of a white man.

BTampa
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You keep playing the tolerance game while every other group that you’re tolerating plans and works for your destruction. Who do you think will win?

Zorost
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Worthless hippie, go back to Woodstock.
Everyone except whites has already tribed up, if we don’t we will not survive. We are already far behind the power curve; we have some catching up to do.

Rod1963
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Spot on Psychology/ goal planning 101.As Z stated It’s not enough to complain about something, you need to have a positive goal to have something to look forward to. To me it means building a network/organization to support us. Something like the NRA as Zman pointed out for whites. Ethnics already have their own variant. Mexicans have La Raza, Jews have the ADL/ACLU, Blacks have the NAACP and government agencies at their beck and call.. This organization(dues paying, don’t expect a sugar daddy to show up – they saw what Trump has to put up with so it’s not happening)… Read more »
Joey Junger
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Positive white identity shouldn’t be hard to establish. The result of what happens when Europeans are around other Europeans for centuries is all around us. Even Asians and Jews obsessed with status teach their kids to play Bach and Chopin and jockey to get their kids into ivies and European public schools established for and by Europeans. And while European cities are crowded with Third World scum, all that beautiful architecture, the castles and churches, are still there. Aesthetic beauty mocks and enrages nonwhites (which is why I agree with the feminists that rape is about power as much as… Read more »
Severian
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Even inside the “positive” camp, though, you must avoid the sperg-out. There are some nice “white identity” models that would work just fine, if folks weren’t such godawful dorks about it. “Neo-Confederate,” for instance — take a look at the CSA constitution and tell me they didn’t fix most of the problems of the original. But: Say any of those words, and immediately you’ve got 57 neckbeareded fellows yelling at you about Stonewall Jackson and the precise diameters of cannon balls.

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Purity spirals are bad. They are actually a form of negative identity that Z seems to be warning about. What he is saying is that being white in the future is going to mean participating in white culture and overlooking slight differences in the way people look, not having the 23 And Me police showing up at family gatherings to see who qualifies to say grace. I have mentioned living in Rhodesia. Many people have their own ideas as to how that culture worked. It was not the sort of white supremacist dictatorship that many assume. There was no apartheid.… Read more »
Severian
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I’m by no means an expert on Rhodesia, but I’m certain the future Chinese historians chronicling the fall of the West will rehabilitate Ian Smith.

Dan Kurt
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@ Severian “will rehabilitate Ian Smith.”

Ian Smith gave up at the end, rolled over. He did not go down fighting. There is nothing to rehabilitate; one doesn’t rehabilitate a Quisling.

Dan Kurt

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Smith had nowhere to go. With Portugal out of Mozambique South Africa was his only lifeline and they wanted the monkey off of their backs, so they forced him to negotiate. And in doing so set themselves up for failure in the near future.

Dan Kurt
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@teapartydoc

Are you a Rhodesian? If so you may want to read the following articles:
http://www.arthurkemp.com/2012/05/intelligence-of-white-rhodesians.html
http://www.unz.org/Pub/MankindQuarterly-1967apr-00207
Lesson: IQ is not sufficient.
Dan Kurt

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But isn’t that the problem? A very large component of the white identity movement is defined merely in opposition to the globalist agenda. But the practicality of finding positive meaning is undermined by certain facts: the EU is both globalist and European. If the EU is not a union of white people, what would a union of white people look like?

BTampa
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Perhaps we are going to have to clean the current house of traitors, cucks, and other refuse… before we can build a new one.

Calsdad
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I think part of the problem you’re going to have here is that the Alt-right / white identity stuff seems to be born from and as a reaction to all the identity politics crap that has been spewing from the left. In that I include all the black power groups, all the LGBT whatever stuff, feminism, – etc. If “white” people are going to get their shit together – they’re going to have to come to grips with some really big problems that are by and large of their own making. Come up with the answer for why whites are… Read more »
Grayman
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Why aren’t whites breeding? Thats easy, western whites are a low time preference high trust, low nepotism group. As such they generally breed when they feel secure in the long term availability of the resources they think they need to raise their children. Modern society and modern economics put the kibosh on that big time. The gig economy, the contractor economy, not working anywhere for more than 3 to 5 years, HUD programs moving diversity into any neighborhoods that are too WHITE, Divorce being made so easy and encouraged such that its easier then going to the dentists! All of… Read more »
Grayman
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“I see constant criticism of Germany as being completely feminized and reaping the rewards of Islamization. Again – what do you expect when you take the most virile males – TWICE in the course of 35 years – and dump their dead bodies in a ditch? If the assertions that genetics are destiny that see coming from the alt-right have any truth to them – then surely killing off all the males that would have driven society is going to have an effect. I don’t see the alt right REALLY dealing with some of these issues. They seem to be… Read more »
Lorenzo
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Also, it didn’t help the Germans that they drove out or killed all their smart people in the 1930s and 1940s.

Anonymous White Male
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Apparently, you only define “smart people” as jews. Did Werner Heisenberg leave? Did Werner von Braun?

Lorenzo
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Was it smart for anybody to stay in Nazi Germany? Just curious.

Anonymous White Male
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Is it smart for anyone to stay in America or Western Europe today? There are those that think their ancestral homelands are worth saving. Look at the Boers in South Africa.

karl hungus
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excellent reply.

karl hungus
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nice deflection, i am sure no one else noticed it.

RabbiHighComma
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Lorenzo provides an excellent example of jewish psychology here. 1. It’s important to the jew that he makes it clear that the tribe is superior to the goyim. 2. The goyim must be informed that jews have grievances that must be addressed, and the goyim should feel shame. 3. When the jew’s veiled insults are deciphered and directly addressed, the jew deflects vs. defending his position. It’s like clockwork when you pay attention. One of the more interesting points to note regarding jewish behavior on the right is that when jews are obstensibly defending the right, it is invariably from… Read more »
Calsdad
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If the alt right is going to claim that it’s an issue – and that there are inherent genetic differences between the races – but they’re not going actually tackle some of these issues but instead talking about all the “racist” stuff that the left is accusing them of ……

Then all they’re really doing is engaging in fantasy.

Zorost
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“I don’t see the alt right REALLY dealing with some of these issues.” The only issues you mention would require a time machine and a way to influence the governments involved to not fight in both world wars. I have a lot of faith in the Alt-Rights ability to win, but I think this is beyond our capability. “The alt right is going to have to start dealing with…” No we don’t. We aren’t a political movement. We discuss those things, often to the point of exhaustion, but we realize those things aren’t currently answerable and mainly just lead to… Read more »
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This means shoring up old family traditions, like getting together at Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Easter. Praying at family meals, etc. Dressing conservatively. Being on time at work. Being polite to everyone but leftists who get in your face, even those of other races. Being magnanimous. We are racial nobility. Let’s act like it.

tamaleman
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This.

Dutch
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It’s an open club. Everyone’s invited. But if you can’t carry your weight or play by the rules, get out. It’s not very complicated at all.

Allan
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No “racial nobility” ever worshipped a fool who was so narcissistic that he believed that he was his own god.

Desdichado
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The only list of grievances most white identitarians have with other groups is “why are they here in our countries in the first place?”

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National Lampoon had a piece back in the early 80’s titled something like “Celebrate the Fifth White History Millennium.” Ahead of its time, it seems. We tolerate identity groups like Amish and Mennonites because they follow the meta-rules of the meta-society we call America — at least at the interfaces. We embraced and assimilated identity groups like the Irish and Italians because they — over several generations — came to follow the meta rules completely. We have some friction with the Jews, because they seem to accept some of the meta rules and to bend or even change others to… Read more »
Eclectic Esoteric
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Birds flying in formation don’t need instruction to do so. Caucasians are evolving in a hostile political environment and will continue to be masters of their own fate. The opposition that bites the hand that feeds it won’t fare as well.

SWRichmond
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I still think of this in terms of “which society has brought mankind the greatest benefits in terms of quality of life?”. While there is much room for finger-pointing, it is western civilization which has done this. It is also Western civilization which has lost its way, and it is its own openness and tolerance for other worldviews which has made this stumbling possible. Along comes a competing civilization (Islam) which knows exactly what it wants and how to get it, and which is eager to do so, and eager to use Western tolerance against the West, and the West… Read more »
Karl Hungus
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well luckily the white race has a few important accomplishments to our credit 🙂 seems like the left is very anti-jew and they can do the dirty work of reducing jewish influence on the culture. there are plenty of real problems in the middle and lower class white communities; get those fixed up and we are well on our way to the positive identity ideal 🙂

Cloudswrest
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Thought you might like the graph posted in the linked essay by The Audacious Epigone interesting. They aren’t calling Generation Z “Generation Zyklon” for nothing. http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/08/gen-z-is-wests-last-great-hope.html

The White Knight
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Great article! Like Jordan Peterson says: focus on keeping your House in order. Have a job and get good at it. Make your neighbors your friends and turn some into confidants. Keep your tool shed organized. Eat healthy food and exercise. When your House is in order, expand your ambitions. My father has a barn in the back. My mission over the next two weeks is “make the barn great again!”

Make your back yards great again, fellow patriots and our country will be the greater for it!

Yours in Liberty,

JD

Centurion_Cornelius
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Roger THAT, White Knight! After 70 Summer solar spins here on God’s Great Green Earth. I am concluding THAT is about all I can do!

It’s like what the great Southern Lawyer of Watergate fame, Sam Irvin, said about his clients: “The dumb ones WON’T take my advice, and the clever ones DON’T NEED my advice!”

LOCAL–LOCAL–LOCAL. A basis of the concept of “subsidiarity.”

AMEN!

John the River
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I am part of the culture that won two World Wars and a Cold War. I am part of the culture that said we could and would go to the Moon and then we did. The culture that put a personal computer into every home (and pocket) that wanted one.
The culture that fed the world.
The culture that had safe streets and good schools.
The culture that decided slavery was a wrong and ended it…
we just didn’t know how to clean up the mess that was left over.
And that one failure may be the end of us.

Grayman
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We did know how to clean it up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html

The Process was interrupted and forgotten about. The blacks were simply pawns in the civil war niether Lincoln nor the North in general wanted them or really cared about them, they were simply political cache.

In all reality the same solution is modern day is probably the only stable solution and that is physical separation. The same goes for the massive Hispanic population….. diversity + proximity = war.

TomA
Guest

All races within the species H. sapiens have the same genesis, and the race branching largely occurred as a result of adaptation to different environments. Caucasians acquired lighter skin pigmentation as a result of migration into the northern latitudes. The higher IQ differential also occurred as an adaptation to extreme seasonal variation and the need to innovate in order to survive harsh winters and the attendant food scarcity.

Karl Hungus
Guest

will the point of this comment be posted later?

Ryan
Guest

We have progressivism to help find our positive identity. They denounce fat shaming. The positive virtue is beauty. They denounce slut shaming. The positive virtue is love, marriage and family.

Social welfare spending: Charity.

Dependence on government: Rugged individualism.

Invade the world:

They were not easily moved,
They were icy — willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Primi Pilus
Guest
Agree wholly with the premise on the necessity of a positive approach. Essential, as you state. However, to those who posit that non-whites would be excluded, I would offer two thoughts: 1.) Women — It’s tremendously hard to find native born females who are not wholly coopted by pollitical correctness, or who are not to some degree ensnared by this human characteristic we call the left. Popular culture, academia and our political sphere are completely given over to delusional belief relative to women and society, and many largely reject traditional limits, roles and beliefs — rational belief among them is… Read more »
Member
I don’t know. I think “white identity” is one of those situations where we get dragged into using the prog’s lexicon to define the world. We use phrases like “Middle Class” all the time in this country. Although the term existed before he wrote about it, our modern usage of it stems from Karl Marx for example. Maybe it’s just a phrase that reflects the world as it is, but it has always been a way of saying “not the Ruling Class”. The idea of white identity largely flows as a reaction to the various other cultures establishing their own… Read more »
james wilson
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Due to repeated mention I finally linked for the first time to Richard Spenser. His flaws were far greater than I was prepared for, and I do not speak to his primary goal of white nationalism. He is center-left, and since center is also left, his vision holds no gravity for me. All things not explicitly right wing lead to the same barren place.

Rhino
Guest

What is your definition of “right wing”? To me it sounds like your definition of right wing means some sort of adherence to the principles of the heritage foundation.

To me right wing mans that you have fundamentally rejected egalitarianism.

james wilson
Guest

You can’t be right wing and be a fan of socialist health care, for starters.

Karl Hungus
Guest

why not?

james wilson
Guest

A white nationalist may be right wing or left wing but socialism is left wing root and branch.

Haxo Angmark
Guest

prop nation strikes again. Slavs, Greco-Iberians, Anglo-Saxons, and Nordics are genetic Whites. Jews and their murderous anti-White hirelings – Blacks, Mestizos, Muslims, and Asiatics (see also: Jews) – are not White. WE, not they, created all the splendors of Western Civilization which THEY are now destroying. And that’s all the “positive” identity we need.

and anyone who cannot Name the Jew – JT, for instance – is peddling a Lie.

alt-Right: enemies to the Right.

hardRight: no enemies to the Right.

Zorost
Guest

Good summary. Strange how even Zman seems to think whites need to invent a culture, as if we’ve never had one before.

Sam J.
Guest

You’re completely wrong about this because the White Man is truly evil. Evil to the core. How do I know this? They’re hogging all the “diversity”. The White Man will steal all the “diversity” on planet Earth and lord it over everyone else on the planet.

Truly evil.

It is time for the non-diverse to start attacking the White Man for hogging all the “diversity?.

Severian
Guest
Here’s what I’d do: Roll like the Thule Society in Weimar Germany (they’re gonna call us Nazis anyway). Get an IT guy to come up with a secure mailing list, TOR and whatnot (I’m not a tech guy) to get in contact with each other. Then, set up local branches, fraternal style. Call it something innocuous — a “historical/cultural debating society,” maybe. But make sure it has grades and ranks and all that Masonic mumbo-jumbo to keep out entryists (“sorry, Moonbeam, you can’t propose a Code of Conduct until you’re an 19th-level poobah”) and FBI informants. Have the local societies… Read more »
Al from da Nort
Guest

Lawfare counterattack might be a useful organizing principle. Of course, one would need to pick a single head of the Prog hydra of anti-American lawfare to go after under the basic principles of strategy as formulated by Alinsky (‘Pick a target…’).

Now, there’s no reason that one group couldn’t pick one of the Prog hydra’s heads and another group another head.

Karl Hungus
Guest

the first rule of Fight Club…

hosswire
Guest
This shouldn’t be so difficult. It’s only difficult because we are trying to think of a single solution for the entire U.S.. That’s not necessary. Some people like to separate. Some people like to mix. And some people like to separate sometimes and mix other times. In a nation the size of a continent, there should be room for everyone to do whichever they feel like doing. And the best part of it is that all the government needs to do is — nothing. The federal government needs to simply stay out of racial matters entirely. End affirmative action. End… Read more »
Zorost
Guest

And then we invent unicorns that piss gasoline and shit gold so all our other problems are solved too!

Why would coloreds ever vote for a gov that doesn’t promise them free shit? Why would a politician ever vote for a program that ruins his chances of getting re-elected?

This is why there is only a single solution, separation between pro-white whites and everyone else.

J Clivas
Guest

Racism and interracialism — as peddled by Hollywood — are on a par with each other. One is as bad as the other.

Member

It seems to me that that terms “positive” and “negative” are rather confusing in this context, though it may be that you like the ambiguity (the former sounding like “having a good attitude”, “standing for something specific”, the latter sounding like “having a bad attitude”, “just being the opposite of something else”). Better terms would be “absolute” and “relative” as descriptors, but to cite your friend John Rivers, “pos” and “neg” might be better meme-wise.

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