After the GOP

After the 2010 election, I mentioned to someone that I was probably done with voting, at least in national elections. The reason was that voting had ceased to mean much to me, other than as a ritual. I know men who continue to go to mass for the same reason, even though they are no longer believers. In 2012 I got in line to vote, but standing there for a while, I realized I was wasting my time, so I skipped and went home. On the issues that mattered to me, Romney and Obama were the same guy.

It was an oddly liberating thing. I had voted in every election in which I was eligible up until that point. I considered it my patriotic duty, even though the options were rarely worth the effort. In most cases, I did the old Buckley thing and voted for the most rightward viable candidate on the ballot. That generally meant the Republican. As a result, I found myself rooting for the GOP, simply because they were not as awful as the Democrats. I never appreciated how much that sucked until I skipped voting in 2012. That was a good day.

The thing is, we’re all men of our age, which means our opinions and inclinations are, to a great degree, formed by the prevailing opinions of our age. Just as Progressives control our moral framework, the two parties control our political framework. All of us are forced to pick sides, red or blue, and hoot for or against one of them. Consequently, conservatives have invested in the GOP, despite the fact the Republicans never do what they say they will do, even when they have large working majorities, like in the Bush years.

This inability or unwillingness of voters to walk away from this paradigm is how we ended up with Trump. It is, to a lesser extent, what kept a laughable squirrel like Bernie Sanders in the Democrat primary. Within the very narrow construct of the post-Cold War political framework, Sanders and Trump were the only way to send the message. That’s promising, but it also means that people, particularly people on our side, are unwilling to walk away from the game, at least just yet. They still have hope.

Strangely, this may be setting up the Republicans for collapse. They are no doubt looking at those special elections and thinking that Trump’s antics are not hurting them. You just know that is how they are reading those results. Then there is the health care debacle, which they think they can blame on Trump. The GOP is acting like they have the voters boxed in so they can disrupt and oppose Trump’s agenda. So much so that Senator Caitlyn Graham is out promising to sink the Trump immigration proposal.

This is rather incredible, given where the voters are on immigration. Graham is not just opposing this bill. He wants to flood the country with foreigners. There’s no constituency for open borders. In fact, 60% of voters would shut down all immigration, not just the illegal immigration. That remaining 40% is probably distributed between those who favor greater enforcement and those who support limits, but not a shut off. You just don’t see numbers like that on any issue, yet this is not registering with the Republicans.

In fairness to the GOP, their model has worked for a long time. Going back to 1994, they have controlled Congress for all but four years. They blame that short interlude on the Iraq war and Bush. Otherwise, their game of lying to the voters on the campaign trail and then voting like Democrats in Washington has worked, but this may be different. Trump is the warning shot to the party and Washington. Those millions of GOP voters who have stuck it out, trying to make the system work for them, may just throw in the towel.

Of course, what has worked in the past will be used again. “Who are you going to vote for if not the Republicans?” We’re all men of our age and that means we have been trained to respond to that question one way. Old habits are hard to break, but they eventually do get broken. How likely is it that a soured electorate stays home in 2018 and lets the Republicans take a beating? It’s hard to know and there is the fact that Democrat voters are not exactly thrilled with their options either. Still, it is one possible outcome.

The point of all this is that what’s happening now is not an isolated event. Trump is part of a larger trend and a sign of a weakening in the political arrangements. The old gag about bankruptcy comes to mind. Slowly then all of a sudden. The Democrats are well on their way to being the anti-white party. They will be the home of homosexuals, blacks, foreigners and the mentally disturbed. That does not mean the GOP will be all the rest or even exist. There will be a party for the rest, a white party, but maybe not the GOP.

It is too early to think about new parties or even co-opting existing parties, but it is not too soon to think about what comes next. If you are alt-right, does it matter if the Democrats win Congress next year? Probably not. In fact, it may help. If the GOP is no longer viewed as a plausible middle-ground between the alt-right and the Left, then people are forced to choose. If principled surrender is no longer a credible option for white voters, then maybe they begin to look at aggressive and assertive alternatives.

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Desdichado
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I think it’s much more likely that Trumpian new blood will primary the useless cucks in the GOP and remake it. Without Trump, the GOP had no future. With Trump, it can remake itself. But either way, the old GOPe needs to be swept away.

Drake
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I have a tough time believing Graham is going to win the SC Republican primary in 2020. Not unless he has too many opponents splitting the vote.

Karl Hungus
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or SC really is a rainbow state “where South is down low” 😀

Roulf
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The problem with guys like McCain and Graham is they are so well entrenched within the local GOP political system that they are nearly impossible to defeat in primaries. They have corporate allies with a lot of money and an army of hired staff to do their dirty work. (http://bit.ly/1vGE4r4)

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The only way to defeat these scum is for all the Alt right to vote for the democrat.
6 years of enemy rule is better than 24 years of treasonous rule.

Karl Hungus
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or shoot them through the fukking head?

CaptDMO
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Gosh, how about voting replacement republicans, or independents, instead?

Karl Hungus
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it comes down to whether or not the voters n those states are “reachable”. if they are, then a primary chalenge will have a strong chance — with outside funding. if the state is full of shit heads, like i suspect with AZ/SC/KY/WI then we are stuck with the turds for awhile. key is to strip them of all perks and committee places.

i think that step#1 is to primary all the “little fish” in 2018, so as to strip cuck1 and cuck2 of their leadership positions.

Matt
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When McCain retires or dies… who will Ducey appoint to replace him?

Ran58
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Probably another Flake globalist.

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Trump is not the kind of guy to lead that effort. The most plausible first step would actually be for the House Freedom Caucus to declare itself an independent party and strip Ryan of the gavel. And for 10-15 GOP Senators to ditch the McCain/McConnell/Graham/Collins wing of the Senate and do the same.

It’s not going to come from Trump.

Karl Hungus
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that’s actually a fukking great idea — keep both shit-parties from majority!

Calsdad
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I’ve been saying to anybody who will listen – for quite a long time – that what this country has needed is a legitimate third party. The reality is that the Democrats and Republicans have manipulated the political process and the laws to make it appear as if they are the only alternatives. It also bears remembering – that were a number of the Founders thought that political parties should be banned as they would inevitably corrupt the political process. There’s a HUGE number of people though – who simply cannot imagine American politics with anything more than two big… Read more »
Zorost
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3rd party system isn’t viable with the way our Constitution works. Multiple parties only works in a more parliamentary system.

Calsdad
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I’ve heard a few people say that – but I’ve never heard any real explanation for why they claim it is true.

The founders wrote the Constitution – and some of them thought there should be NO political parties.

Zorost
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Our legislative system is all about getting a president elected and a majority in both houses of congress. You do this by creating a party that hopefully appeals to 51% of the electorate. Splitting into a 3rd party simply splits up the voters who are the most likely to support the ideology of those 2 smaller parties. Its like how a 3rd party candidate tends to screw whichever party it is most similar to due to drawing off votes, thereby giving an advantage to the monolithic party that didn’t split.

Dutch
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Then how did the Whigs go away and the Republican Party rise?

Zorost
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Not sure what you are arguing, as that is a great example of what I’m talking about.

Sam J.
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The Whigs split and the tendency for support to break into a two party system forced them to die. I think the Republican should and will split into a populist, pro-White party and the Republicans will die. It would take a lot of Democrats from the Democrat party if the Republicans stopped supporting any outsourcing of jobs and supported working people more.

A solid pro-White party could do wonders if they didn’t mind being called Racist, Anti-Semites and Nazis.

jbspry
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What the hell is “viable” about what we suffer under today?

cerulean
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(1) Third Party: The commies captured one of the two parties last century, accomplishing one of their long-term goals. They had the good sense not to expect much from a third-party effort. They also had quite a bit of patience and persistence. They were not deterred by temporary lulls. They were good at ratcheting: gaining ground might be slow, but they rarely lost ground. (2) Trump: Trump managed to win states that had been given up for lost to the Democrats. He’s the logical person to “realign” the Republican party. (3) GOPe: I don’t think garden-variety Repubs, especially consultants and… Read more »
Dutch
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The GOPe is happy to let the Dems own Congress and the Senate, so they can act all Trumpy yet still be part of the establishment and cash those big checks. The GOPe actually being in power in both houses makes the charade a lot tougher for them.

Zeroh Tollrants
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Don’t leave me in suspense-which party did the Commies capture?
From where I’m sitting, I would’ve thought the obvious answer was, “both,” but who knows, maybe I missed something. Neocons *cough* Trotskyites *cough* *cough*

Zorost
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They infiltrated and took over the Dems like in that pod people movie, then they bought the Reps.

Andy Texan
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They could call themselves independent caucusing with the republicans. Of course the progressive republicans will do the same and caucus with the demonrats.

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Prog Republicans leaning to join the Democrats would be healthy. There are Democrats who hate their party too. One of them, a governor, just switched to the GOP. Either the GOP would survive smaller, but with a cleaner identity, or it would implode. I actually prefer implosion because that’s how you shake the public out of their current paradigm. A lot of Sanders voters are natural Trump voters. Not the pinkos, but the ones who see the country getting pillaged by corporatist and fascists. The ones who felt Clinton was worse than Trump. I said before the convention last year… Read more »
Dr. Mabuse
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I’ve been noticing how the GOP is opposing Trump, compared to Obama. For the last 8 years, it was as if they could barely drag themselves out of bed to trudge wearily to the Hill and take their castor oil treatment. Now, they’re positively crackling with zest for battle. Every day brings a new challenge to Trump, an innovative new angle for sticking the knife into him. And it’s odd, but they seem to think they’re engaged in single combat with him. The seem to consider the American people as some colossal whale that breached on November 8, then sank… Read more »
Karl Hungus
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i hate the gop with a white hot passion, while the dems just disgust me like dog shit on the carpet.

El Eff
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Karl: well stated, extremely well stated.

Karl Hungus
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thank you, it was straight from the Id 😛

Andy Texan
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I hope Trump will have a white house team that funnels campaign support to challenge all the gop senators up in 2018. If the 8 or 9 incumbents face Trump supported challengers that will really get their attention.

jbspry
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The dog shit did not betray you when it hit the carpet. Your dog did, when he hunched up and let go.

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They were always going to oppose Trump. That’s the main reason I voted for him. To prove once and for all that the GOP is 100% full of shit.

Zorost
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Reps are the Washington Generals to the Dem’s Harlaam Globetrotters.

50% of Dem campaign contributions come from same (((people))) as 25% of Rep contributions. Notice how both parties kiss up to AIPAC, Wall Street

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A young man I know goes to DC occasionally to visit friends and check out the political atmosphere. In the year or two leading up to the 2016 election he was at a party where a bunch of top GOP congressional aides were gathered. He asked one what issue they received the most mail and phone calls about. The dude said “immigration”. Then he asked what they were going to do about it. The reply was a sort of sneering grunt followed by “Nothin'”. This is the attitude of your GOP. If it doesn’t change fast, I’m not just going… Read more »
Karl Hungus
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you won’t have to look far

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And you think this will upset the GOPe? Surely, you jest.

Member

I don’t think they’ll care, but they can do it from home rather than from office. Read up on Madison’s definition of an aristocrat.

Karl Hungus
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Karl Hungus
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TPD, you are my second favorite “doc” after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE&t=1s

would love to hear Zman interview you, like a Chihuahua loves a German Shepard (which is a lot)!

Andy Texan
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Wait until 2024. Trump needs the gop control of congress to avoid a national crisis.

Dutch
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It feels to me that many of the Repubs in office will turn on Trump anyway, if the Dems throw down a strong move. Complete with crocodile tears, as they give the McCain thumbs down to our President.

jbspry
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It will be tough to select a winner from such a talented field of contestants!

mark auld
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Grahams defection from logic puts me over the edge. Add to that the grand jury for the Russia meme, and I see D.C. spiraling out of control. ..where this stops nobody knows.

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Barring a major insurgency, coup or catastrophic disaster, I don’t see any real change coming. It surely won’t come via the voting booth.

Economic collapse is another avenue but who knows how that will shake out the country.

Calsdad
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A change is coming when the government runs out of money.

They’re damn close to it already.

james wilson
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No, USG is not out of money. The best thing that could happen is for USG to run out of money. Venezuela is out of money. USG is the money. We proles are permitted with certain restrictions to use their money and even get into the habit of thinking it is our money. When exactly this happened it is hard to say.

A.B. Prosper
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Unfortunately no. The US is the global reserve currency and between extractions from the worlds largest army and the vast global production surplus somebody has to buy , it can keep borrowing or minting without a true catastrophe for a long time

For regular folks its like being nibbled to death by ducks, a little smaller package for the same price, wages that never go up , a bit more taxes and so on.

Its irrational but as the old saying goes, the economy can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent

Calsdad
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When I was younger and somewhat unaware of many of the “social” issues – taxation was my big pet peeve, since it was the screw job that I could see plainly every time I got a paycheck. If somebody asked me why I voted for Republicans I would say : ” because the Republicans tell me that they’re going to lower my taxes”. After getting screwed over a few times on those promises, I changed that to be : ” I know they’re probably lying , but at least they say they’re going to lower taxes. How stupid would I… Read more »
Guest
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Republicans *did* lower taxes. Reagan lowered taxes dramatically. Bush the Senior raised taxes and paid the price. Clinton raised them even more. Bush the Junior lowered taxes. With the ObamaCare surtaxes my top marginal tax rate is nearly 50%, and I live in a low-tax state. In California it’s well over 50%. Tax reform has soured as a wedge issue because our tax system has become so progressive that very few people pay any meaningful amount of taxes anymore. When nearly 50% of Americans pay no tax and another 30% pay very little, tax reform just doesn’t have the legs… Read more »
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All sorts of things I wish Trump would do. Such as eliminating OPM’s Obamacare exemption for Congress and its employees. That’s how you drain the swamp. McCain plans to revive his immigration reform…thinks his brain tumor will give him a Ted Kennedy sympathy vote.

Like I said yesterday, the shift in this country is between a nationalist American party, and a borderless Globalist party.

Neither party reflects this new dynamic.

Calsdad
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From what I’ve seen McStain voting against the Obamacare thing has made even more people wish that he dies a really painful death from his brain cancer.

Speaking as a MA resident: I know plenty of people who were of the same opinion of Ted Kennedy when his diseased brain finally went cancerous.

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He voted against the Obamacare repeal because Trump banned trannies from military service. That was one of McCain’s bizarro left-wing causes that got him invited onto all the right talk shows to trash Republicans as bigots.

It was pure political revenge.

Karl Hungus
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McCain did a little prison camp theater. Here he is in a production of the “Madame Butterfly” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIxHb7cA6tg

J Clivas
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Who knows how McCain’s brain tumor is affecting his behavior?

Member

That wouldn’t explain the last few decades.

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I look at McCain the way I used to look at John Glenn…a great American hero who threw it all away by becoming a Leftist in government fighting the very ideals that made them heroes in the first place. They both remind me of that great exchange from the moving “Heartbreak Ridge”: Lieutenant M.R. Ring: Sir, I gave the order to take this hill. Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Ring, this is going to ruin your career. Colonel Meyers: Are you new to the infantry, Major? Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Yes, sir. Just came over from supply. Colonel Meyers: Were you… Read more »
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McCain was always a hero only on paper. Toilet paper.

Karl Hungus
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used

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In what way was insane McCain ever a “great American Hero”?

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As I understand it, after being shot down over Hanoi, and nearly crippled (the Viet Cong tortured him anyway), he was discovered to be the son of a flag officer. Offered early release as a propaganda tool, he refused. From his book: “The date was Oct. 26, 1967. I was on my 23rd mission, flying right over the heart of Hanoi in a dive at about 4,500 feet, when a Russian missile the size of a telephone pole came up—the sky was full of them—and blew the right wing off my Skyhawk dive bomber. It went into an inverted, almost… Read more »
Sam J.
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While I hate McCain I don’t believe that you can fault his military career. He wasn’t the best aviator but…well the worst is far above the rest of us. I also don’t fault him for reading scripts, if he dis so, that they made him read after torture. People can only stand so much. It took a lot of guts to stay in prison when he could have been released.

Karl Hungus
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His wife — the ever delightful Cindy “mud sharkin’ USA” McCain — reports that John is “more alert” and “less of an a-hole” since his cancer. She also mentioned he’s a much better dancer, and has improved “sexual focus” whatever that means?!

Ron
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What worries me, is now that the curtain has been draw away, more and more people will realize what a sham it all is, and will clamor for a dictator to make the metaphoric trains run on time. Worked for Lenin, Mussolini, and Hitler. Too many people get weary of the burdens of citizenship, like thinking about the implications of what is going on. They prefer to let someone else do it all, so they can go back to their TV reality shows and barbecues.

Karl Hungus
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did Caesar make the chariots run on time? I am asking for a friend…

Andy Texan
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No but he did give them lots of spectacles in the coliseum and bread allowances.

Karl Hungus
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socialism 1.0

Zorost
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If you value right-wing ideology and Western culture, the least violent method of preserving them is a dictator using his power to deport or exterminate liberals/ non-whites. You can whine about how that’s EVIL all you want, but it is a demographic certainty none-the-less.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/SOC2016report.pdf

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The real divide is between Trump Nationalists and Sanders Socialists. (I put all Democrats and about half of the Republicans in Congress in the latter group). The Alt-Right is not going to win on ideas. There is a gut thing going on in the Nationalist movement, a hard mix of realism, patriotism and bedrock principle, that to me is what the the Alt-Right, and the country, should be measuring itself by. Primaries and general elections are where change will happen. Candidates that we resonate with will appear. Unless we can change the system (a very tall order), we have to… Read more »
Zorost
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Nonsense. There weren’t even enough Sanders Socialists to win the primary, and their number as a % of the dems is decreasing due to increasing numbers of non-whites who don’t care about ideology, only free shit. Their are a number of divides, the 2 biggest divides are nationalist/globalist and racial. They are closely related, and many other divides can largely be subsumed within those headings but not perfectly (rich/poor, urban/rural, etc.) Change isn’t happening in elections, change is happening in our demographics which drive elections. In 15-20 years Texas will turn blue, and along w/ similar demographic changes in the… Read more »
Glenfilthie
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Hmpffff.

Politics can be done by any three means: the ballot box, the soap box, and the cartridge box. It is my contention, Z, that any man worth his room on this earth- be ready and willing to use all three.
The people arrayed against us certainly are.

The Walkin\' Dude
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Heh, Co-opting the Dem party by various flavors of Right would make heads explode.

mark auld
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If in fact the wizard behind the curtain is the deep state uni party globalist conspiracy, an economic collapse will probably signal door no.3 …the cartridge box.

Al from da Nort
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Since it appears that the establishment Repub’s have lost their fear of the voters, the first step right now needs to be re-creating some of that fear amongst the GOPe swamp dwellers. Remember how all the Gang of 8 donor signaling on ‘immigration reform’ suddenly went quiet when the House #3 got primaried out in VA in 2014_? So, we need to pick a _few_ targets and nationalize their primaries like Dave Brat did in VA. Paul Ryan in WI would be ideal_! While winning is ideal, it would almost be enough to make them burn all their slush/campaign funds… Read more »
Zorost
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Losing an election isn’t their greatest fear. Their greatest fear is being cut off from the donor $$. Their salary is chickenfeed comparatively, so winning an election by pissing off donors is worse than losing an election while keeping the donors happy. For example, Eric Cantor is now making $3.4 million, and was the highest paid board member in 2015…

Al from da Nort
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Not disputing your statement of facts re Cantor’s money, but so what_? To those people loss of power and status matters at least as much as money.

The big thing is that amnesty died in 2014. The seemingly pre-ordained ‘Gang of 8’ bill never was even brought to the floor for a vote after he was cut off. Killing that particular chicken _did_ frighten the watching monkeys in the swamp/jungle. Results matter.

Zorost
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Empirically, Congress cares more about donors than voters. Cantor isn’t the only one that did the donors bidding and then lost an election. Obamacare lead to a bunch of Dem losses.

If what you say is true, your example of the Go8 bill would be the norm, rather than a rare exception in extreme circumstances.

Al from da Nort
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Why the norm_? Don’t see your logic at all. Look at it from the individual Rep’s point of view. We should be looking for points of leverage in the process rather than just throwing up dust In order to access the big money you talk about, any Rep first needs to be in office. To be in office they need to be elected. To be elected they need votes, volunteers and money. Also, depending on their relative strength in the above, they normally need party endorsement. At the minimum, party endorsement brings access to that party’s ballot line. Else they… Read more »
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To me, some of the biggest issues rest with the political class in DC in BOTH parties that are 70+ years old and have been in their seats for many, many years. Within 10 years, even 8, a LOT of the old guard on both sides will be out. There is a LOT of rot. Change is coming. Power is rearranging and there is enormous pressure on the status quo in DC. I am disgusted and angry about the Mueller thing as anyone, but in one way, this witch hunt is clarifying .. if it’s not clear to the folks… Read more »
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I am constantly amazed that a state that could produce men like John C. Calhoun and Strom Thurmond could tolerate a man like Lindsey Graham. The only explanation that comes to mind is that an influx of outsiders has made this possible. Please tell that native South Carolinians don’t like this twink.

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I sure wish there was an edit button. “Please tell ME that native…”

Andy Texan
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Linda Graham wins with demonrat votes. There is never a viable demonrat candidate to vote for so the progressives vote for the progressive republican.

Zorost
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Same scam with Paul Ryan in WI

Al from da Nort
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You are obviously only remotely acquainted with WI politics. It took a decade’s efforts by many people to turn that state purple from deep blue. Paul Ryan effectively participated. Just not perfectly from a nationalist party point of view that suddenly emerged this year. His effective comfort zone is suddenly no longer strategically important, largely due to enemy action.

Enthusiasm is good if it motivates focused effort in potentially positive directions. Demanding instant perfection to a new, untried, poorly defined concept is counter-productive: Makes one look like a lightweight dilettante. Don’t be that guy.

TomA
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If Clinton had won, we would be well on our way now to full social fracturing and economic collapse, followed by a real grassroots rebellion and eventual resurrection. As it stands, Trump is fanning the dying embers of hopefulness while the Deep State is executing a coup d’etat. We are witnessing the dawn of an oligarchical tyranny hidden behind the facade of democracy. The illusion that voting matters is what buys the time necessary to make this transition.

Karl Hungus
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except the deep state skull duggery has been exposed, and the people behind it are clumsy and incompetent.

Andy Texan
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People not as tuned into politics as we, are discovering the attempt of the uniparty to reverse the election. President Trump is going to make this very clear with a campaign like tour through the country. We will see if this causes them and Mueller to back off. I doubt that they could start the impeachment process without a rebellion.

Dutch
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Trump surely understands the power he has in going directly to the people and bypassing Washington DC and the mainstream media. I suspect he is saving that strategy for when he really needs it to call out the bad guys, rather than dissipating it on matters of the here and now. His near term game is to make his enemies both reveal themselves and act insanely in doing so. So far, so good on that front. I sense that his true inner circle is taking down a lot of names, and just waiting for an indication of some big move… Read more »
Andy Texan
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Am interested in our own ‘Seven Days in May’ scenario. Which generals would be on our side and which have to be rounded up? Or course the planning would be difficult until the leak problem is handled. Let the President Trump be the one to launch the 2nd American Republic. Two hundred and forty one years was not bad. Outlasted the French.

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I don’t think this essay is wrong or premature at all. The Republicans are going to get crushed in 2018 at the rate they are going, and it has nothing to do with Trump either outside the fact they are literally stabbing him in the back. I will make my prediction right now- Democrats win the House in 2018 outright, and the Senate ends up divided 50-50 and McCain switches parties to make it 51-49.

D&D Dave in the Bubble
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D&D Dave in the Bubble

The Republicans that run against Trump in the 18 primaries will go down in defeat. That’s because they believe the fake press that tells them they will lose if they support Trump. Flake in AZ right is a prime example of this happening.

krbu
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I can imagine your above scenario in which the R’s get crushed; I can also imagine a scenario in which the established/McCain/Ryan wing of the GOP is replaced by populists. What I CAN’T imagine is establishment GOPers replacing establishment Democrats — there seems to be no passion behind either of the established parties and thus the stasis will remain. The country seems to be bifurcating into the Sanders/socialists on one side and Trump/populists on the other. Frankly, I see civil war. Considering the established parties have the coercive apparatus and listening ability of the old Soviets, I’m not at all… Read more »
Karl Hungus
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McCain will be lucky to make it to September, much less 2018. go get some dry panties and calm yourself, woman.

Matt
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You really think McCain has that long to live given *brain cancer* ?

Ran58
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Teddy Kennedy made it 15-18 months with the same diagnosis. So McCain could still do damage for a good year.

Karl Hungus
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Teddy was using alchotherapy on his brain cancer. Almost worked…

Member

A bunch of democratic voters vote dead, why not a senator.

YIH
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”It is, to a lesser extent, what kept a laughable squirrel like Bernie Sanders in the Democrat primary.”
He also demonstrated just how weak a candidate the Lizard Queen was. Blown away by 0bama in ’08, and even with the deck so obviously stacked in her favor, Sanders still managed to give her challenge. And, of course, she’s writing a book: https://www.wwtdd.com/2017/07/what-happened
Actual book title, no joke.

james wilson
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Yes. I see no evidence that Trump is creating a new party to replace the Republocrats. His appearance is invaluable in shining light on a long standing political scam, but organizing is a very different kettle of cockroaches.

Zorost
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He is probably going to purge the current one. If he pushes for a wild tax plan that is very simple and common-sense, you’ll know I’m right.

D&D Dave in the Bubble
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D&D Dave in the Bubble
In 2005 here in NJ, we had the major choices for Governor, John Corzine and Doug Forrester. Both of them promising to outdo each other to lower the state income tax by double digit amounts. AKA – Both of them were lying out their ass. Any fool could see that. When it came time to vote, I voted for a guy calling himself “NJ Weedman”. His only campaign issue was legalizing marijuana in NJ. I voted for him because he was the only guy running (out of all the parties and non-parites) that was actually telling the truth on what… Read more »
Anonymous White Male
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ZMan, you tend to fluctuate between writing that the GOP is an independent group that looks at politics in terms of how it benefits the GOP and not just the other side of the Demopublican coin. It doesn’t look at things as Democrats vs. Republicans and hasn’t for years. The elected stooges may have joined the GOP early in their career believing in the fundamental differences in the Democratic platform and the Republican platform, but they were Michael Corleoned at some point and look at politics now strictly as how it benefits them personally. They are now belong to the… Read more »
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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In NYC, the City Council is comprised of 51 seats; 48 of them are Dems, only 3 are Repubs. So, it’s a losing battle no matter what.
I am working with a Repub candidate who hopes to win the nomination against two other Repub contenders, before going to the general elections in Nov.
I would like to hear from any of you in southwest Brooklyn; either respond here, or by email: bobs.your.uncle@safe-mail.net

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Hi Z. I know so many of “white” America seem to hate the Jews and push them out as if we are diseased. I believe that is a mistake. I am a conservative Jew and there are many more than you may realize. Crazy liberal Jews have had a hand at the current destruction of our country, and sensible conservative Jews would like to help correct that wrong. But talk of exclusion will only embolden crazy people to the detriment of all Americans. Remember that ML King was a life-long Republican.

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As a voting bloc conservative Jews are irrelevant. As a means of stopping or even slowing the leftist radicals of their tribe they are ineffective. That many of them are neocons renders them harmful and counterproductive. When we think of nationalist Jews we think of Israel. In that over 50% of Jews now consider themselves to be non-believers, yet still Jewish, we are led more and more to think that Jewishness connotes a race rather than a religion. Given that the left has decided that identity politics is the wave of the future, and we know that trying the DR3… Read more »
Simon
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The parties are 2 cheeks of the same arse.
Both parties have no interest in the voters and are only in power to enact legislation for their paymasters and hangers on.
We have the same crap in the UK. Tory or Labour or some wasted votes for the Greens & Liberals. Choice for change is non existent.
Voters are tribal and usually return to their party when the scare stories are aired.
I’d like to see a party that represents my views but there are none in the UK that are prepared to stand on a platform supporting the white working class.

Alzaebo
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How and wht did the white working class become so reviled by its own?

Ripple
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OT: Jew Among You’s report on the AmRen conference, with pics of Antifa protesters: https://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/just-got-back-from-the-2017-amren-conference/

Ryan
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To the extent the alt-right has any political organization to go off of, the immediately available tactic is to run ideologically proper candidates in primaries against the Caitliyn Grahams of the party.

Zorost
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Alt-right isn’t a political organization, I highly doubt we will ever openly run candidates

Jackson
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“The Democrats are well on their way to being the anti-white party. They will be the home of homosexuals, blacks, foreigners and the mentally disturbed. ” You left out the Jews. They voted 78% for Obama in 2008, and 71% for Clinton. Only the blacks are a more rigidly aligned voting block. Jews also provided most of the money and a lot of the brains behind the Obama moonshot. Obama’s first two hires were Rahm and Axlerod. Axlerod was the brains behind the campaign. The biggest contributors for Obama, overwhelmingly, were bankers and lawyers. Go look at the list of… Read more »
james wilson
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Off topic, Zman. I watch the Red Sox on mlb.com. Well and good. They flashed me a survey to better understand how they are doing. The first question was to check a box for my sex–in this order–Trans, Other, Male, Female. I do not make this up. That’s as far as I went.

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“They will be the home of homosexuals, blacks, foreigners and the mentally disturbed.”. Well that is what the leadership of the dems is already, often in the same body.

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My one-word rebuttal for the jaded position that it doesn’t matter who we vote for: Neil.

And the Paris Climate Accord. Okay, four words.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

Zorost
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I think Trump plans on purging and reforming Rep party. It is the only way to truly MAGA, as everything he does can be reversed within months of his leaving office if the same old crew is still in charge. If he puts out a beautiful tax plan that makes common taxpayers weep w/ joy, but which is so good the Reps can’t vote for it, it will confirm my hypothesis

Zorost
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Of course, even if he does he will still need to get the nation to the point that Reps are willing to pass legislation stripping citizenship from people for the color of their skin in order to save Western culture/ right wing values.

Karl Hungus
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the GOP brand was toxic before Trump. I don’t think that many people voted for him because he was the GOP candidate; they voted for him per se. he is exposing them as the complicit scum they are; he is destroying the GOP and taking their base. Look for Trump to make huge inroads from the middle-middle on down; i.e. pick up big chunks of the urban vote. those folks love a spectacle, and Trump will have them hooting joyously 😀

Dutch
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I stayed registered Republican for years and years only so I could vote for the most “F-you” conservatives I could find. People who would not only turn over the apple cart but set the pieces on fire. Finally getting to vote for a Trump made me very happy, no matter how things go from here.

The urban vote is up for grabs next time around, and I suspect many urbanites hate the gay, feminine, emotional stuff.

Anonymous White Male
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Explain how he would do this. In the past, people have referred to the President as the Head of his Party. The Party has already shown that they do not believe this. How would Trump purge the Republican Party? Unless those most entrenched in the Republican Party refuse to accept his actions, what legal right does he have to purge the Republican Party?

Haxo Angmark
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the demoncrats are being yanked apart to the Left, the Republiscams to the Right. So the Center will not hold. There will be, instead,

War.

and, yes, I stopped voting in 2012. A liberating moment.

CaptDMO
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“The reason was that voting had ceased to mean much to me, other than as a ritual.”
Gosh, whenever I go to the polls, and wear my “I voted” sticker, and NRA lapel/tie tack, young college grad vixen virgins THROW themselves at me, and try to shower me with gifts and cash, despite my advance age.
It’s a shame, really……

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“The thing is, we’re all men of our age, which means our opinions and inclinations are, to a great degree, formed by the prevailing opinions of our age. Just as Progressives control our moral framework, the two parties control our political framework.” If by “all” you mean “most” or “almost all” then I can agree with you. However, those of us who became Rothbardian market anarchists are certainly not fooled by the con game that is politics in this country. I have not voted for president since 1980 until I voted this time against the evil Clinton. That vote was… Read more »
Eclectic Esoteric
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The democrat and republican parties are both dying on the vine. President Trump is a consequence of this vacuum. It will be game over for democrats when Wikileaks rips the brakes out of their propaganda machine and exposes the criminal underside of the cartel. When the avalanche hits the swamp the ugliness will be hard to bear. The mutant survivors will be our new political party.

Dutch
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People are very self-centered. When they really understand that the criminal establishment political order is doing nothing for them (does the average person think that unfettered immigration or old men in dresses in the girls restroom is any good for anyone?), and the reformers are making things better here and there, it will be game over for the establishment. Sadly, the criminality will largely be ignored. Happily, the stupid inability to do anything right, combined with the economic stripping of most of the rest of us, for their personal benefit, will not go unnoticed or unpunished. It’s all in how… Read more »
jbspry
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I have already washed my hands of the Republican Party, did so before the election when I witnessed their disgustingly shabby treatment of Trump (their party’s candidate! The choice of their supporters!) and realized that he was taking it on the chin for me. Jesus with a comb-over. The only possible redemption for the GOP is a wholesale wiping out of the current roster. To that end, as long as Trump is president, I will vote against the Republican incumbent in the primaries and against the Democrat in the generals. After Trump I will not vote for either party. I… Read more »
MSO
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The problem conservative voters face is that conservatives don’t run for office, so with rare exceptions, progressives are the only option on the ballot. There are, admittedly, progressives who pretend to be conservative and make conservative noises, but they never seem to have enough votes to pass conservative legislation. Currently, the Republicans are acting as if they won the 2018 elections and that Trump rode their coat tails into office. Conservatives can’t win voting for Republicans but they may have better luck disrupting Democrat primaries. After all, Democrats will vote for any Democrat; they’ve yet to encounter Democrats in name… Read more »
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I think you nailed it here. I have been a republican voter my whole adult life. After years of promises to repeal the Obama care take over of the health care insurance industry only to fail on the half-hearted attempt to replace it with Obama care light I may never vote again in a national election. Fug them. Hard. They asked for it. Begged for it. Earned it. Ben Franklin called it. We have failed the Republic.

iFrank
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“On the issues that mattered to me, Romney and Obama were the same guy.”

Wow. How wrong. How much better off we’d be had Romney had won instead.

Will
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The only way that big government will be put back in its’ proper place is with fundamental reforms like term limits and no gerrymandering. The two parties have cooperated to make a third party pretty hard to establish. There are just too many big government members of both parties.

Eclectic Esoteric
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The Cartel’s Hand To The Face
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8iFFmmELFd8

Occassional Commenter
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The German Army used to have a saying: “better no officer than a bad officer.” I’ve long held that “None of The Above” should be on all ballots for all positions, from president to local dogcatcher. If NOTA garners a majority, or perhaps even a plurality, that position goes vacant until the next election cycle. No recess or interim appoints allowed. This could be a tool to unseat those incumbents with war chests so large that opposition can’t get any traction — like McCain. You don’t need an opponent to lose your seat; just piss off your base enough, and… Read more »
Trent Denton
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So, basically the democrats will be the party of America and Americans and the other party will be the party of racist white men? Got it

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