Myths Die Slowly

Back in the summer, I was riding with a friend, up the north shore of Massachusetts, and we were talking about Trump and the alt-right. My friend is not into my type of politics. He remains a generic conservative, the sort who thinks Ben Shapiro is great and Gavin McInnes is edgy. I don’t fault him for it. Most white people are in that camp, unless they are a Progressive. The Dissident Right is still small and the alt-right is even smaller. The tide is running our way, but it has a long way to go before we have big numbers.

Anyway, one of the things we discussed was what Trump could or would do regarding the big issues. My buddy truly believes that all that needs doing is to cut taxes, cut spending and crack down on illegal immigration. Then America will begin to look like the 1980’s again. He was a bit surprised when I told him that I disagreed. To be honest, I was a bit turned off by his optimism. The truth is, these guys stubbornly cling to the old ideas and old politics. We need to turn them, but it will not be easy. They won’t let go easily.

That is the biggest challenge facing the Dissident Right and it is a massive challenge for the alt-right. White people in America have been marinating, for their whole lives, in the stew of multiculturalism and the conventional conservative reaction. They still view the world through the lens of the Cold War. That means accepting the Left’s moral framework, while longing for the Right’s promised ends. The result is a collection of American myths that our people stubbornly embrace, despite the evidence.

The biggest one is probably the fetish over the Constitution. The people who love Ted Cruz and Glenn Beck are the best example. They talk about the Constitution like it is a holy relic. It is their magic talisman. They are sure that all we need is a majority of Constitutional Conservatives on the bench and more of them in Congress. When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie. They just can’t let go of the dream.

These are usually the same people who go on about our Judeo-Christian principles. There is no such thing. It is just something nice white people thought was a good thing to say, so the Jews would feel included. Jews think the idea is ridiculous and very conservative Jews find it insulting. The formulation gained popularity in the Eisenhower years, probably in reaction to the Holocaust. Despite the ridiculousness of it, most constitutional conservatives are convinced America is built on Judeo-Christian values.

The great black hope is another one of those myths that conservative whites cannot let go of, even after eight years of Obama. For example, the mulatto meathead, Dwayne Johnson, was saying nice things about generic conservatives for a while last spring. This set off a round of hero worship in Conservative Inc. National Review did a special issue on him. Most whites still believe the dream of racial harmony, so gaining the approval of a guy like Sheriff Clark or a Dwayne Johnson is like being blessed by the Pope.

This is because whites largely accept the blank slate egalitarianism the Progs have been preaching for the last half century. White people are so afraid of being condemned as racist, they will believe just about anything to avoid it. The most hard boiled right-winger will break out in hives when race is mentioned. The insist that all blacks need to do is act like middle-class white people. It’s why they carry guys like Sheriff Clark and Allen West around as conquering heroes. Whites still cling to the myth of egalitarianism.

This spills over into the immigration debate. Listen to the garden variety talk radio conservative and they will fall all over themselves praising legal immigration. They completely buy in the myth of the propositional nation. They don’t always use that language, but they accept it. Whites may not think all people are the same, but they think they can be the same. Therefore, the non-whites wishing to settle in America can prove this by following the rules, like a white person would. It’s Magic Rule Theory.

Many alt-right people like to flatter themselves by insisting that the JQ is the hardest red pill to swallow, but in reality, patriotism is the toughest. People can accept that blacks are incapable of living with whites. People can even buy off on the idea that Jews have a disproportionate influence on society and maybe that’s not a good thing. The one thing you cannot get anyone to accept is that patriotism is anything but an honorable quality. If you dare question the idea, whites will condemn you as a some sort of commie.

That’s the biggest challenge for the alt-right. They don’t couch it in these terms, but theirs is a post-national movement. Their brand of identity politics puts racial identity ahead of all other group loyalties. That includes what Americans call patriotism. If the black NFL players all stand this week, hands over hearts, singing the anthem, whites around America will be sobbing and hugging one another like it is the rapture. Talking Americans out of this sort of over the top love of country is the great challenge for the alt-right.

Beliefs and customs have a way of transforming into something different when they lose their salience. Many conservative whites have started to abandon their party loyalty, realizing it was a sham. Increasing numbers of whites are coming to terms with the realities of race. Still, they do so with the hope that, with some tweaking, the republic can be set right again. Maybe that’s the process. We’re now seeing more people talk openly about ending immigration entirely. That’s a big step for white people.

The fact is, things like patriotism and a love for ordered liberty are features of white Americans, not bugs. Most whites get that and will stubbornly cling to those ideas, even when they are an impediment to preserving civilization. Sacred beliefs don’t go away without a fight. it does not happen after one speech or one good YouTube video. The great challenge for the insurgency is to re-purpose these attributes toward better ends. Appeals to people’s better natures always works better than challenging their deeply held beliefs.

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Rich Whiteman
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Well, replacing the stars and bars with a white flag is probably a non-starter.

StanFL
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The best way to get a child to give up his candy bar is to offer him an ice cream cone in exchange.

Observer
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Exactly.
Old beliefs are not discarded, they are exchanged for new ones.
That happens when having old beliefs causes morality & status damage, but having the new beliefs causes morality & status gains.
Engineering that shift is possible, but requires a lot of energy. The tools for applying that energy are the institutions that create the ideas that determine morality & status plus those that disseminate those ideas.
In the modern West this means the colleges & the media.
This energy can be applied all at once (Germans in Germany, 1930s) or in smaller amounts over longer times (Jews, U.S., 1880-present)

Chase
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For my Catholic Baby Boomer parents, the best line of argumentation goes like this: America is an objectively evil country (in line with traditional Christian notions of good and evil). The purveyors of American culture have us literally celebrating every one of the seven deadly sins and actively discourage all the virtues.

This doesn’t make Americans individually any more evil than all Russians were evil under communism (aka the Evil Empire).

Though this didn’t necissarily convince them of everything, I did see from their reaction that this hit them at the gut level and got them thinking a little.

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This boomer gave up many illusions years ago. These conservatives you talk about are the same I experienced in the 80s.
Run it up the flag pole and they will salute it, support our police and troops, the Constitution, enterprise zones, blah blah.

Like Joe Sobran who said he took an embarrassingly long time to see the reality of our times and what passes for Conservatism.

Gavin and the Steven Crowder types still say it is the welfare state of the sixties that caused all this racial trouble. Before that there was no difference in blacks and whites.

God help us.

Toddy Cat
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Well at least your friend is in favor of cracking down on illegal immigration, that’s a good start. Immigration reform and/or gun control are often “gateway drugs” into the Alt-Right. They certainly were for me, along with the realization that “National Cuckservative” type conservatives were not conserving anything except tax breaks for the oligarchs.

Karl McHungus
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are you working on a manifesto? do you know if anyone else of import is doing so? guess i am saying, what would be a good paradigm for the emergent system replacing the old broken model?

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I’ve been asked, or demanded to state, what I’d replace the current governments with. When I explain that would be up to the people in the area that secedes, they always accuse me of a cop out.

That some sort of logic fallacy, but I forget which one.

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Catastrophe of one sort or another is probably going to be the best way of getting whites to concentrate on these issues. Otherwise…well…football.

Toddy Cat
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Yes, there is simply no calculating the damage that football has done to the United States over the last fifty years. I’m not kidding. Energies and cash that should have gone towards reforming our country have been channeled into football, football metaphors have helped to wreck our military and diplomatic strategy (anyone else remember “Linebacker II” the US bombing campaign in Vietnam, launched by the football-crazy Nixon?) and above all, football has fed ordinary Americans of all colors a false belief about how integration was really all working out. I once loved the game, but its overall effect has been… Read more »
Rod1963
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Professional sports are our bread and circuses. The elites always knew that and that’s why they were the biggest promoters of them. BTW Soccer is used the same way in the 3rd world states. Their use against whites was propagandistic as you stated – to promote the lie that racial integration worked. It worked amazingly well to the point you have white guys wearing the jerseys of black ball players and wishing the black players would hit on their wives. The other and more important one was to distract the people intellectually and emotionally and sap their tribal energy.So they… Read more »
Toddy Cat
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Yes, the diversion of so much of the energy and loyalty of middle-class whites into sports was one of the great triumphs of the managerial state in the 2nd half of the twentieth century. Glad to see that the spell is finally breaking.

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Chariot races in Byzantium.

Alzaebo
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Blues versus Greens! Go Blues!

Useyourmouth
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One of the main redeeming qualities of sports was the call to take pride in one’s locality…”the boys from my cornfed corner of the Midwest are tougher and better than your faggots over there! Yea!” Today even that tie to one’s home is gone, when players are often imported from foreign countries, let alone other sides of the country. It’s even lost in college, now that the sports ball recruits are in an entirely different track than the actual students, and not really intellectual peers like it used to be. People just cheer for whatever mystery figure is in their… Read more »
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… the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings…

Sorry no. The Constitution requires that bakers bake cakes for customers. They need not celebrate their customers events.

Too bad you can’t see what you’re doing is worse than lefty propaganda because you should know better.

Toddy Cat
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“The Constitution requires that bakers bake cakes for customers.”

Yet another of those mysterious “Constitutional Rights” that appeared out of the blue around 1964 or so, doubtlessly hiding in a penumbra somewhere. As I recall, there used to be this thing called “Freedom of Association” and restaurants used to post signs reading “We refuse the right to refuse service to anyone”. Funny how it took 177 years for anyone to notice that was unconstitutional. Ah, the Living Constitution is a rare and wonderous thing…

james wilson
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It wasn’t hiding in the penumbras, it was right there in the emanations all the time, You just failed to smell it.

Chuckwalla
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Freedom of association means just that. One should also be free to disassociate.

BlindMan
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When you’re earnestly typing out the phrase “the constitution requires bakers…”

How is it that some kind of insanity alarm doesn’t sound in your brain?

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See above.

Anonymous White Male
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“When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie.”

Do you mean this as in “currently” interpreted, which is a relatively new interpretation, or do you mean that the founding document actually requires this? And, in fact, the very question about forcing a baker to bake a cake for some fags is coming up in the SCOTUS. Even if it is upheld, using the commerce cause, no one is required to “celebrate” anything. Except the all important exchange of money.

McCool
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>>the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings,<<

Not as originally written, only by amendment and through the lens of progressive judicial interpretation. I think our founders would be enraged to think the liberty for which they sacrificed, now compels people to participate in gay weddings, purchase insurance products from specific businesses and forbids people from using their own property as they see fit.

premium mediocre
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“Do you mean this as in “currently” interpreted, which is a relatively new interpretation, or do you mean that the founding document actually requires this?”

that you, and others, think a piece of paper has any intrinsic meaning is why some of us denigrate it as “magical thinking”.

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“that you, and others, think a piece of paper has any intrinsic meaning is why some of us denigrate it as “magical thinking”.”

Great, so I can take your house and your car at my convenience then.

Wilbur Hassenfus
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The magnificent stupidity of conservatives rivals that of the rest of the left wing, in its own autistic way.

The law as enforced is what is enforced.

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Just to be precise, it is the (insane) body of public accommodation and non-discrimination laws (or regulations) that require a Christian baker to celebrate homosexual weddings, not the Constitution. We will soon find out whether the First Amendment to the Constitution provides a safe harbor for a Christian to refuse to comply with the public accommodation and/or non-discrimination laws. I understand that, somewhat interestingly, the case is being argued as a free speech case rather than a freedom of religion case. The core of the baker’s argument is that decorating a cake is a form of artistic expression that qualifies… Read more »
Tom McAllister
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I read your post and it left me hanging, in a sense. Your statements are provocative, to say the least, and I am trying figure out what the bottom-line is in your commentary. You say white people have a “fetish” over the Constitution. Are you suggesting it is insufficient or should be replaced? You say, “Despite the ridiculousness of it, most constitutional conservatives are convinced America is built on Judeo-Christian values.” Do you have a more precise view of morality, or a better way to describe the mindset of colonial thinkers and the generations of moral, church-going people who followed?… Read more »
akajhon
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History is racist,,,is the country any better now because of forced mixing??
grow a pair,,years ago the conservative churches were against mixing,,now they are on the forefront,,,I use to think segregation was the way to go,,now,,not so much..

nDennis
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Most people I have known to use the term “Judeo-Christian” do not do so to be inclusive of current day Jews. The Jewish population is so small as to be irrelevant. They do so to reflect the appreciation Christians have for the way Judaism was the precursor to Christianity. Jesus was a Jew. Christians believe much of the Old Testament. This is much like we appreciate the influence of the Magna Carta on our own Constitution, without feeling we are being inclusive of modern day Englishmen. Regarding Zman’s view of how Jews view that term, he is 100% correct. I… Read more »
Tekton
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A couple of corrections are in order: 1) International Jewry, far from being “irrelevant”, in fact are the MOST influential in all the world, being the purveyors of Mystery Babylon, which God will destroy. 2) Judaism was not the “precursor to Christianity”.. The former is from Babylon—Baal worship, the latter is from God. They are FOREVER diametrically opposed. 3) Jesus was not a “Jew”. He was a Judahite who rejected Judaism and those who adhered to it—namely the Pharisaic “Jews”, whom he called “children of the devil” and “not my sheep”. 4) Christians, by definition, believe ALL of the Old… Read more »
Rod1963
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There is nothing wrong with the Constitution, what is wrong is with the people and especially the white intelligentsia that runs the show. The myths that we were fed, were from the intelligentsia and corporate America meant to keep us in line and docile. Myths like the notion that desegregation works, that racial harmony is possible, that multiculturalism is a viable concept. That our judiciary is composed of infallible wise men and women. That ghettos are part and parcel of urban life, Or that our private clubs have to let in people we don’t want or like or men with… Read more »
Allan
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The Constitution begins with an outlandish lie that implies that a superstitious witch like Hillary Diane Rodham (b. 1947) has the right to rule and to “ordain and establish” a constitution for a complex government. Also, the short clause of Article VII is b.s. all the way through, for it merely assumes its own lawfulness before the “Establishment” of A7.

And only a moron would believe–as you do–that his god is a rabble rousing Jew.

Optingout
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Reply to Tom McAllister: That you automatically default to SJW buzzwords (“judgementalism, racism, and skewed versions of nationalism and patriotism”) to describe evils you try to resist clearly demonstrates that one of your faults is a lack of clear thinking. Jesus never condemned the principle of adjudging someone or something as wrong or sinful. What he condemned was hypocrisy and the finding of faults in others while ignoring one’s own. Two totally different concepts. Indeed, Christians are specifically called upon to judge others and rebuke or even shun others who are unrepentant sinners. The term “racism” is meaningless jargon. Do… Read more »
Glen Filthie
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What’s your ride, Z? You don’t strike me as a Harley guy. 😉 I used to be one of those guys your buddy was. I believed in the goodness of America, as I live in Canada that is run by liberal morons. I still do – I love Americans, I love their dedication to that constitution and their traditions. I would have laughed at you and your talk of Cloud People, joos, cuckservatives etc. Then Obama came to office and I started noticing that the racists were right about quite a few things. As were the homophobes. As were the… Read more »
Karl McHungus
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schwinn?

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Had one when I was a kid. One day I forgot the lock chain was still in the spokes and started to ride off. The chain broke and the spokes we’re still straight as rulers.

Din C. Nufin
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Glen – I can relate to your transformation. It seemed like Obama poked his finger in my eye on a very regular basis. It got irritating.

Caleo
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Unfortunately, most folks, whether black or white, are herd animals. They don’t think deeply about the society around them or their place in it and prefer easy, simple answers that let them feel good about themselves. When our elites were avowed white supremacists and segregationists, the herd followed their lead. When our elites decided overt discussion of white supremacy was gauche, and replaced that with civic nationalism, the herd got in line. Now that our elite has lost all self confidence and is committed to population replacement and globalization, the herd follows. We can’t assume most whites will ever wake… Read more »
Dennis
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Downer week, Z?

anon
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Great post, Z. Just a few days ago I was trying to get these ideas across to my Boomer parents (less articulately, unfortunately) and was fascinated to see them following and agreeing with me at every point, and then shutting down completely when I’d suggest that maybe reanimating the corpse of Reagan for a 3rd term isn’t the solution to the problems.

It’s the conservative version of Sailer’s Protective Stupidity.

james wilson
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Break your parents down this way. Reagan’s legacy is two Bush’s, nearly two Clinton’s, and a magic negro. It’s time for a change, not a change in Presidents.

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I finally realized that wistful pining for a return to the conservative values of Eisenhower’s America is little better than believing in Santa Claus – for dozens of reasons, not the least of which is, that country doesn’t exist any more. America 1955 is as foreign to America 2017 as North Korea is. The values, and demographics, of the country have irrevocably changed, so dreaming about “saving America” is a waste of time. it’s already gone. Yup, there’s a whole laundry list of woulda-coulda-shoulda that might have prevented the decay, but Reality is Reality. Without a working DeLorean, we don’t… Read more »
bour3
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Dropped it at “fetish” over Constitution. Look, Fella, it’s a fetish to consider a it a fetish for adherence to the one thing that binds us as as a nation. Without that we’re nothing. We’re anything any political party wishes us to be. With it then at least it’s possible to control federal government.

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Without a common set of organizing principles, you can build your society out of left handed people who love lemon meringue pie, and it won’t matter a bit. We are already getting a taste of what “ethnic enclaves” look like (to use a term from the Yugoslavian civil war of the 1990’s), and how they pan out. The alt right or dissident right isn’t going anywhere if that is the default position…to just sort of cleave-off 20-30 large urban areas into their own “Escape from LA” city-states or to skinny the country down into a smaller USA that is 90%… Read more »
fodderwing
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“American is a tribe too.”
I think it is quite reasonable to assume this to be true, but for whites mostly. That demographic is where most of the true believers are to be found. Other groups, not so much.

Bunny
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How much of that has to do with sorry education and a toxic popular culture?

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American is a mindset. It is unapologetically independent, self reliant, arrogant, etc. but simultaneously selfless, generous, etc. This is one of the very few countries really ever that has deployed its citizens around the world to any country or people to help in an emergency for no other reason than because we can. When something bad happens in the world, nobody prays for the Russians or Chinese to show up. The flag and the faces which bring hope to people everywhere around the world are undeniably American. That mindset exists across a great many peoples on this planet, but not… Read more »
Dennis L
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I agree with everything you have said. Unfortunately, the realism of race is that black people will always lag behind due to genetic abstract reasoning deficiencies. It is measured on every IQ test ever designed, and is most apparent in sections where education and culture have no possibility of influencing results. Thus, blacks and liberal whites will always blame America for these trends, making it very difficult to reach “e pluribus unum.”

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I don’t actually care what they think. We should win over the persuadable, and subsidize the rest into passivity. Democrats and the Left have reached the limits of identity politics because their different grievance groups are soon going to be going to war with each other. They can’t simultaneously be the party of unrestricted Muslim immigration and the party of Women’s Rights. They cannot be the party of the Police Unions and the party of Black Lives Matter. America has never, not once, been a unified country ideologically. Jefferson and Adams were at each other’s throats. Civil Wars. Heck, 1/3… Read more »
Dennis L
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I agree you have laid out the best course. I just would not put much faith in winning over blacks or hispanics. We can add another 100 years to LBJs infamous quote about blacks. But as you allude to, they are already at their max benefit to the left. Hispanics will vote for free stuff for a generation or two, and then will identify as white. So there is hope there, but not anytime soon.

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100% agree. I wouldn’t bother trying to win them over. I would work on recruiting the ones who don’t need to be won over. Suburban blacks, IT industry South Asians (India/Pak), and pretty much any East Asians…people who look at the insanity going on around us and understand that we cannot tear down our entire society to appease the mentally unstable. You’re like me about Hispanics. I understand the whole mestizo thing, but anybody who spends any time watching LATV or Univision with the volume muted understands that those are white people. Even our Government understands that “Hispanic” is a… Read more »
cerulean
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“They can’t simultaneously be the party of unrestricted Muslim immigration and the party of Women’s Rights. They cannot be the party of the Police Unions and the party of Black Lives Matter.”

They probably figure they can for a few more elections. It’s worked pretty well so far. After that, between dead voters, illegal alien voters, multiple-ballot voters, discovering mystery ballots at the last minute, cooking the books, lying to voters and scaring them … they’ve got it made.

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Those diametrically opposed groups are going to wind up at war with each other. If the GOP thinks it is in bad shape, the Democrats as presently constructed are in a death spiral. About 1/4th of their base is unabashedly anti-American and pro-Marxist…the kinds of people who think Bernie Sanders is a pussy for not just coming out and saying who he really is. The current political landscape in Washington D.C. in 2017 is: 1. neo-Marxist revolutionaries storming the barricades of the Establishment Left 2. Government Party Republicans taking over the territory of 1960’s-era LBJ/Kennedy Democrats. 3. A loose amalgam… Read more »
Alzaebo
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There is no going back.

Russia is still fraught with divisive populations, yet the Soros Color revolutions or the Bush-Clinton-Obama Springs didn’t finish her off. She remains a Power while we pray for Europe.

Perhaps, in there, is hope.

Bunny
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Your Vietnamese wife matters not in the least in their Utopia, as she (and all women) will be disenfranchised. Zman, to be fair, has said maybe married women of a certain age who have produced children will be allowed to vote. Reading between the lines, the Constitution is just a piece of paper to them. Race and sex are total identity and destiny, not just biologically but socially and politically as well. Christianity will be tolerated only to the extent that it is useful. Sounds more than a little messed up to me, about as bad as what we already… Read more »
Christopher S. Johns
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Comments like yours are why the authors of the Constitution, following the example of all successful republics throughout history, wisely forbade women the franchise. Race and sex contribute more than any other factors to our identities and destinies, and it is only Utopian progressives such as yourself – and not the so-called “alt-right” – who foolishly deny that this is so. Disdain for the Constitution worship of Conservative, Inc. is nothing more than a recognition that the Constitution, at least in any form that the founders would have recognized, has been a dead letter since the New Deal, if not… Read more »
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“Comments like yours are why the authors of the Constitution, following the example of all successful republics throughout history, wisely forbade women the franchise.”

That is a true statement, and I wish you the best of luck changing it.

You go to war with the country you have, not the one you wish you had.

Pessimism is not an organizing principle. If we are all doomed, what am I to make to the pessimist to does nothing to stop it except sit on the porch and yell at people to get off the grass?

Alzaebo
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Yes, please, let’s throw away half the population, along with every ally.

Hey, it made Islam a power for a thousand years! *Winning*

Alzaebo
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Let me amend that, a bit.
Inspired by Happy Hectares (@HappyHectares, many thanks to whomever suggested the glorious HH)

Where things really went off the rails was forced integration.

Not just races, no, but when a men’s club became a fern bar, and schools forgot who and what they were for.

Now bathrooms are forcibly integrated as well.

Voluntary segregation, not force suppression.

Freedom of association, a natural right, provides the only true safe spaces- and it allows people to be who they are without the Gestapo.

Alzaebo
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Addendum: get rid of the body of “equality” laws that gave rise to the HR Naziettes and political officers

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I don’t think she means nothing, and I don’t think Zman is a utopian. I do think there are a lot of very persuadable groups of people in this country who quietly think that trannies are nutjobs, and anybody who advanced the goals of trannies ought not be given the reigns of power. There are very persuadable groups of people in this country who quietly and not so quietly think that a lot of those NFL players represent a small fraction of criminals, not a broad social justice movement, and are largely pampered millionaires who get their crimes covered up… Read more »
anon
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America already doesn’t have a common set of organizing principles. Your gun control example is perfect – when a mass shooting happens, there’s no nuanced examination of the issue, and there’s no national coming-together in mourning. The Red Staters are too busy panic-buying guns and ammo and the Blue Staters are trying to push legislation that will ban everything more powerful than a nerf gun and put all male Texans on a federal watch list. America isn’t America because it’s a proposition nation. This country is what it is because smart and industrious Anglos settled a vast, resource-rich, and largely… Read more »
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Very well put. Bravo, anon.

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That makes absolutely no sense in the context of the era in which the country was formed including 3 continental wars in 60 years, 5 or 6 in its first 100 years (if you count Texas Independence and the Indian wars), two rebellions, TWO governing documents (Articles of Confederation being the first), fact that 1/3 or more of the colonists were loyalists to the Crown, and within 80 years of the founding the entire country was ripped in half in a war that claimed 700,000+ lives. It’s like saying the Pilgrims landed, 300 years of stuff took place, and here… Read more »
anon
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It’s like saying the Pilgrims landed, 300 years of stuff took place, and here we are today because of topology. Sounds about right, with the correction ” + people” appended to the end of the sentence. We could have never had the American Revolution and we would have ended up in more or less the same place. Any scenario in which the land mass that is now the United States was colonized and settled by the British would have led inevitably to America being an exceptional nation. The specifics don’t matter. I’m going to paraphrase your viewpoint as: “America is… Read more »
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More than half of what you call the United States today was France and Spain in 1800. You’re wrong on the history, and you’re wrong on the outcome.

anon
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Quote exactly where I said otherwise wrt France and Spain. In the long run, the British-derived culture and law dominated the entire country. The fact that some of the land was not originally British is utterly irrelevant, just like your moronic assertion in your previous comment that some fraction of the colonists being loyal to the crown meant demographics has nothing to do with the United States’ success(???).

Quit prattling on nonsensically here and go try to talk some of your pet minorities into voting for Trump in 2020.

Reluctantreactionary
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I don’t know about others on the Alt-Right, but I found the anti democracy stance of Curtis Yarvin and other reactionaries very difficult to accept. In hindsight this is simply due to a desire to blame someone else for problems. We want our freedum, and our free stuff and we want it now. If we can’t have freedumb, liberty, and free stuff this must be the fault of the commies, nazis, or perhaps the Federal Reserve. The end the FED crowd are an interesting example. As Zman has mentioned, the FED has done a good job of controlling wage and… Read more »
Sam J.
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“…The FED is doing a good job of balancing an unstable situation created by the US Congress…” No the FED is doing a good job of routing all the wealth of the country into bankers pockets.They received, we know from Rep. Ron Paul’s forced audit of the FED, $16 trillion during the banking crisis. Estimates of the total amounts a few years ago from looking at financial data is $29 trillion(it’s probably much more). At $29 Trillion and 300 million Americans we could have given a zero interest loan for every family of four of $386,666. Housing crisis solved and… Read more »
Reluctantreactionary
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You are correct of course. The FED is inflating asset prices. The only people who benefit are the 0.1% who own all of the assets. The thing is that any private central bank acts to maximize profit. Profit in banking is maximized when loans get paid back with money that is worth something. The incentive structure for a privately owned bank is actually pretty good. The underlying reason for the asset inflation and destruction of the middle class is democracy. Like Zman stated, it is a tough pill to swallow. If the US congress was forcing USG to run a… Read more »
TomA
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You are beginning to understand, but need to go one level deeper again. Core beliefs get “wired” into our brains early in life. This is evolutionary biology, and it’s an immutable trait is fundamental to our species and has helped us survive and thrive for over 200,000 years in an ancestral world of extreme hardship and existential threat. You cannot “talk” adults into changing their brain late in life. You need to start focusing on solving this problem by other means. Talking “better” or “longer” is not the road that takes you where you want to go.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
Guest

“Solving this problem by other means”. Sounds ominous to me. I’m all ears, though: What “special methods” are you thinking about here, that will save us? Your tone suggests that you’ve worked out a deep plan.

You’ve ruled out “talk”.

TomA
Guest

“Sounds ominous to me.”

Yeah, that came out of your head. You might want to work on that.

What works is what has always worked in the past (because it’s basic human nature). Mature persons do not change their core habits or beliefs, but they can be motivated to act in self-preservation if the going gets tough and the options get few. The only “plan” is do your best to anticipate future events and concurrently maximize your ability to overcome problems or obstacles.

Alzaebo
Guest

Talk is probably best- if we use it to point out the bad apples.
The 1A prevents the use of the 2A.

Alzaebo
Guest

As in, “you’re a damn liar, a pervert, a lunatic, and a criminal! And here’s how!” In the public discourse.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
Guest

Thank you, TomA, for this crucial response. I spent 57 years here on this planet, wasting my life on nonsense, and at lpng last, a man with the answers. THANK YOU!!!!

Brigadon
Guest

With Tweaking, the republic CAN be great again.
That tweaking just happens to involve immigrants out of the country and allowing three quarters of the negro population to starve when they refuse to work.

life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness… Not the ‘right’ to eat, have a place to live, or medical care.

Member

There is a case to be made for what Zman calls “riot insurance”…

Every so often the natives will get restless, so you let them burn some stuff down to get it out of their system, and then go back to what you were doing before.

Richard
Guest
“When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie.” Disagree. Not the Constitution but a majority of the nine Supremes. Same as their decision that the definition of “state” clearly defined in the ACA as, “the fifty states and the District of Columbia” can be “interpreted” to include the federal government. Or the Kelo decision to strip the property rights of one individual in favor of another under eminent domain. There is a convention of states movement afoot to propose amendments. Among those is term… Read more »
Lorenzo
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Alas, we’ve let the courts decide what the Constitution is, so Zman is right, much as I wish otherwise.

Thomas Jefferson saw this coming.

“I cannot lay down my pen without recurring to one of the subjects of my former letter, for in truth there is no danger I apprehend so much as the consolidation of our government by the noiseless, and therefore unalarming instrumentality of the Supreme court.”
…Letter to William Johnson

Richard
Guest

Not the fault of the Constitution that the court assumed powers never delegated to it. So did the legislative and executive, It’s we, the people, at fault for allowing that.

wholy1
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For those that are already [county-rural, inland] GROUNDed, GROUPed, GUNned, GARDENed, and . . . INFORM/ed/DISCERNed/R-E-P-E-N-Ted, everything else – that One possibly desires to ‘remotely view’ – is a kaleidoscope for “entertainment ONLY”.

Member
We’re talking revolution here, and there are different ways to justify revolutions. One of the most successful is to do so while insisting that what one is doing is a return to an ancient way of doing things that was good and successful, but has been strayed from. Another is to point out the bankruptcy of the current way of doing things and a proposal for an alternative. That is the kind that usually requires some kind of manifesto. I think that the way most people interpreted the Declaration of Independence was that we had developed on our own beyond… Read more »
marcus barry
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I grew up on the Boston North Shore. did you perchance eat at Farnham’s in Essex?

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Patriotism ended for me in November 2012, when Obama was re-elected and Lawrence Auster, still just hanging in there at the time, wrote – simply – “it’s their country now.” I haven’t hung a flag on my house since, regarding myself as the subject of an occupying power. Z man is absolutely on target here. Remaining “patriotic” in our time is like clinging to the NFL and buying Mark Levin’s endless series of books on how the Constitution will somehow save us. We’re way beyond that now, like a swimmer who can still see the beach but has been sucked… Read more »
tamaleman
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More downvotes than a repeal and replace proposal right cheer.

PropagandaHacker
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great article! Read Dr Woody Holton’s book UNRULY AMERICANS and the Origins of the Constitution for the details on why and how the constitution is a sham….the only thing that can save us now is an article 5 convention of the state legislatures…and we are a long long way away from making that possible.

Either that or civil war…

Rhino
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I fear a successful convention far more than I fear any civil war.

Bill Robbins
Guest

Our goal should be to return American to its citizens. How’s that for starters?

Rhino
Guest

That’s a very concise way of saying that we should somehow reset matters, which will ultimately lead us to the same exact place.

Allan
Guest

Bill Robbins,

The first problem with your goal is that it assumes more than was ever true. The second problem is that it’s populist, mobocratic, and so on. The third problem is that America, an empire of money grubbers, was conceived in egalitarian foolishness, as you can see in the “Creator” clause of the Declaration of Independence.

See also my brief remarks above about the great Constitution.

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=11730#comment-44947

Eclectic Esoteric
Guest

“The Left is an existential enemy. We should not treat them like opponents in a game. They must be destroyed.”
http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/01/26/a-justification-for-war-in-the-political-realm/

UpYours
Guest
Wow, more BS from the alt-white monkeys. So, ZMoron the Constitution (written by white men BTW) should be shredded, and what should we replace it with? The “ideas” from the alt-white moonshine monkeys? BTW, women’s suffrage and gay “marriage” were not a part of the original Constitution written by the FF’s. I think I would trust the FF’s more than the low-IQ alt-white morons. SO, another titbit from the alt-white. Race is everything. Race over country. Well there are 100% white nations that practice this alt-white credo. Maybe ZMan and his merry bunch of race-obsessed lunatics can move there. Only… Read more »
A.T. Tapman (Merica)
Member

I smell…Pavement Ape.

UpYours
Guest

Wow, what an intelligent well thought out comeback/s. That’s OK, banging you sister and drinking moonshine are not IQ boosters. Enjoy the view from the political basement.

Member

That the majority of people that think like me also happen to look like me is an inconvenient truth.

Joey Junger
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This post-American white nationalism is not some difficult project to get underway, or something that needs to be jump-started in the future. As usual, dig through Sam Francis’s archives and you’ll find he had the best take on this when most of these alt-right types were on their mother’s tit. Francis noted that white flight was originally a neighborhood thing, then a city thing, and a year or two before he passed he noted it was becoming a state thing, that whites were fleeing entire states. Normie whites (like your mainstream conservative friend) and NPR whites (who claim not to… Read more »
walt reed
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Z, you underestimate the effect of cutting taxes, reducing spending and curbing illegal immigration. If the President is able to frighten Senate and House leaders into repealing/undoing/improving ACA also, he is a shoo in for 2020. Hopefully 2018 with leave some nasty wounds on establishment republicans. Best regards.

Rhino
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Since none of those things are going to happen under the GOPe regime anyway, I rather wonder what your point is.

Tax cuts and spending reductions motivate exactly no one, and cucks have been harping on that garbage for 50+ years, but I guess we should keep on keepin’ on?

Member

Africans cannot feed themselves (82% of black households with children are on foodstamps). Like rabbits, frogs, and mosquitoes, the only way to limit their reproduction is to remove their food source. Stop welfare. Stop food stamps. Cut taxes. That will change black reproduction rates.

Tom
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Almost every country has a constitution, most of them modeled on America’s.

Extraveritas
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You stated, “When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie.” Please correct me if I’m wrong (chapter and verse, please) but I don’t believe the Constitution provides for this or much else that the courts have suggested, at least not under the doctrine of ‘original intent’, which is, of course, how the Constitution should be interpreted. To the contrary, I believe we have a natural right, protected by the Constitution, to freedom of association, heretical interpretations not with-standing.

Doug
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I know one thing, it is all going to come down to guns. It already is. It has always been about guns. From the beginning of our history. And it is guns that stand in the way of pogrom of my race, White Christian Western Men. In fact, I contend guns are all that stands in the way of genocide, which is what the dirty stinking commies are trying to pull on White Men like myself. To me everything else is total bullshit. It all started with guns, what created this country, because what we call the 2nd Amendment is… Read more »
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Noted Firearms and Liberty author Kenneth Royce, a.k.a. “Boston Tea Party” to his fans, contends that gun-control laws actually ought to be called “victim disarmament laws,” since that is their actual, intended effect – to deprive would-be victims of violence of the means to protect themselves and their loved ones. This assertion is confirmed in the scholarship of the late Dr. R.J. Rummel, one of the world’s foremost scholars of the history of mass killings, genocide and democide. According to the work of Rummel and his colleagues, any given human being is much more likely to perish at the hands… Read more »
jbspry
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“Then America will begin to look like the 1980’s again. ”

I hope to Christ we can do better than that – a lot better. Otherwise I’m taking my balls and going home.

jbspry
Guest

“Despite the ridiculousness of it, most constitutional conservatives are convinced America is built on Judeo-Christian values.”

Well, if you understand that the Founding Fathers were men of the Enlightenment, and that the Enlightenment was an attempt to make a workable worldly system based on the teachings of Jesus, and that the teachings of Jesus were an attempt to make a workable ethical system based on the teaching of the Jewish Prophets…

Member

Huh. Ben Shapiro is a useless schmuck and Gavin McInnes is hysterical. And after 25 years of listening to Howie Carr even he’s a bit too much like your friend. Guess I’m a little edgier than your average white chick.

Member
I think a great deal of a person’s perspective on this nation depends upon where he spends his time and energy, his personal experience. You live in Baltimore, spend time in the Imperial City, and according to various accounts, your travels primarily take you to Northeastern Liberal cities. I’m not nearly so pessimistic about the nation and it’s future as a nation, partly because my travels don’t focus on the cities, but in their surrounding ‘burbs and rural areas, and even a touch of international travel. Not that this experience makes me believe we are on the verge of some… Read more »
Butch Cass
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Ask anyone that worked in a prison, groups of people do not “naturally” mix. Remove the societal mandates and people just move to their neutral corners. Does it make them RACIST f’no just a comfort level of knowing each others past or in this case negative shitty past. Will groups fight of course, hell any three humans in proximity of each other two of them are planning how to off the other one. We suck as a species, but in regards to this article, yes we are slowly working to a neutral corners model, Libs in one area, conservative leaning… Read more »
wheedle
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A return to a Constitutional Republic can be a challenge for the faint of heart. Do “We The People” eliminate the income tax? Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? Do we eliminate public pension funds for retired government and military personnel? Do we return to a currency coined in gold and silver? And when the bloody dust settles, do we establish amendments that “bulletproof” the amendments we want to keep like the Second Amendment, and vote on those we wish to nullify. Once we move from a democracy back to a Constitutional Republic, everyone will have their own interpretation of it. And… Read more »
will
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The Constitution doesn’t require it. A meat head judicial system does . We’ll see what the present SCOTUS says about it. “When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie.” It took some convoluted logic from the courts that the Constitution or Federal law require a baker to bake a cake for a gay “wedding”. Where the likes of beck make their mistake is believing the Constitution offers any guarantees or protections. It hasn’t since the Alien and Sedition Act.

Member

Patriotism is so sharply divided along racial lines that I think it’s not something to overcome, but to lean into. (Granted, I’m more Alt-Lite, I suppose.) I have seen countless (about 10, maybe?) articles recently about how patriotism is white supremacy since Trump attacked the NFL’s National Anthem protests.

The Magical Negro myth needs to be extinguished, but once it is patriotism becomes an asset for survival rather than a liability.

Quartermaster
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“When you point out that the Constitution currently requires Christian bakers to celebrate homosexual weddings, they dismiss this as if it is a lie. They just can’t let go of the dream.”

It’s not a dream when it come to that. Lawless leftards have held that the constitution requires, but it does not. The constitution forbids the government from preventing the free exercise of one’s religion, something the leftards can’t stand, so they ignore the part of the 1st amendment that is inconvenient to them.