Nth-Generation Politics

The concept of fourth generation war is credited to the paleoconservative thinker William S. Lind and it remains a popular topic on the Dissident Right today. The idea is that rather than direct conflict between professional armies, 4GW conflicts are ones where non-state entities, possibly sponsored by a state actor, use propaganda, subversion, terrorism, and disinformation to undermine domestic support for state actors. The relatively weak non-state actor uses stealth and cunning to bypass the strength of the state actor.

The concept is not without its critics. The term “fourth generation” implies it is new or part of a natural progression. The term “guerrilla war” dates to Napoleon and the Vendée could be called a fourth generation war, even though it occurred in the age of first generation war. The use of subversion and psychological war date to the dawn of settled societies. The non-state actor, using irregular tactics against a state actor, possessing superior military strength, probably dates to the rise of the state itself.

This is more of a language issue, than anything else, but the concept is a useful starting point, when thinking about social conflict in the modern age. For example, the Left’s fetish for doxxing heretics is a facet of the new kind of politics in the surveillance state. It is not just the unmasking, but the fact that the heretic will be known forever, just by putting his name in a google search. Everyone now has a permanent record, so the people in control threaten those who challenge them, with a negative entry on their permanent record.

Another aspect of this is the moral role of corporations. It’s one thing to have your name plastered all over the internet as a heretic. It is quite another to find yourself banned from the internet. Social media companies are not just companies selling your personal information.They see themselves as morality police. Instead of jailing dissidents or banning inconvenient speech, the ruling class uses its social control to threaten the social capital of their enemies. Whatever you want to label it, ours is the age of social war.

The question though, is what does the other side look like in this social war? Given the disparity in power, resistance to the ruling orthodoxy will have to be irregular, but within the narrow bounds of the law. It will also have to operate in the social sphere. An obvious example is the the meme war that the alt-right waged on social media during the last election. The swarming of mainstream accounts with mockery and criticism scrambled the signals in the Progressive echo chamber. Conformation became cacophony for them.

That was an ad hoc response, but going forward, a more complex and organized effort will inevitably develop. You see some hints of it with the Identity Evropa guys. They stay out of the spotlight and perform guerrilla marketing style actions, like hanging banners over highway overpasses and putting up posters around Progressive strongholds. The subtle message being sent is “We are in your neighborhoods, walking among you.” It is a form of psychological warfare that encourages the dissidents and freaks out the Progressives.

Of course, an aspect of the social war has been with us since Dan Rather was exposed back in the Bush years. The last two decades since then has been a steady discrediting of the main propaganda organs, by pranksters, honest citizens and partisans. Every time some dope on cable falls for a Sam Hyde prank after a shooting, the mainstream media becomes a bit more useless as a weapon. Trump won the White House largely by riding the fake news wave. The mass media has been turned into a liability.

In all probability, a weapon the resistance will use against the orthodoxy is a take on what the guerrilla movements have always done to conquerors. Occupying forces inevitably rely of collaborators to control the local population. Targeting collaborators and their handlers not only scares the collaborators, it sows distrust in the occupiers about the reliability of the collaborators. In a prior age, this meant violence. In the information age, it mean operations that turns the paranoia of the Left against its own people.

We see glimpses of how this will work whenever “It’s OK To Be White” signs turn up at a workplace or college campus. The company hustles everyone off to a re-education camp and the college campus has a day of morning. When Greg Conte was revealed to be a member of the alt-right, the school spent the rest of the school year investigating its staff, looking for heretics. Now, imagine if Conte was not a heretic, just a guy caught up in a witch hunt, orchestrated by subversives pulling a clever prank on the school.

Following this through to a logical conclusion, the ruling classes of western societies will be engaged in an endless war to undermine the moral legitimacy of their own people. The resistance will be engaged in a war to discredit the factual legitimacy of the the ruling classes. One side can’t be trusted because they believe the wrong things, while the other side cannot be trusted because they lie all the time. Eventually, the people will have to decide if they want to side with the heretics or side with the liars.

That’s what is unique about this new brand of social conflict. In prior guerrilla wars, the public was noting more than camouflage for the resistance and an obstacle for the occupiers. In the information age, the public is the battle field. Instead of winning turf, the goal is to win the crowd. Good humor, cleverness and daring are probably more useful than power and intimidation. The hail fellow well met is hard to hate, even when he is causing trouble. The severe prude is impossible to love, even when she is right.

To their credit, the people in charge have understood this for some time. It is why they have unleashed the social media hounds on the heretics. At some level, they know they can’t win playing straight up, so they cheat. The other side is still too disorganized and leaderless to have a coherent plan, but there are signs they are figuring it out. Ultimately, the dissidents need to win turf by winning converts and that means exploiting their freedom of intellectual movement, to outmaneuver the people in charge.

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The difficulty and opportunities are going to be the overall lack of knowledge of the masses. Most working people get up, go to work, come home, take care of kids, eat dinner, go to bed. Or some variation of those things. They spend little time researching things and will require everything thing presented on a silver platter. The parasitic class will go along with what ever the ruling class comes up with as long as the checks keep coming and more importantly clearing. Whatever the opposition comes up with needs to recognize the public at large has the attention span… Read more »

joey junger
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joey junger

Someone with a decent IQ and stock movie-making software can put together a five to ten minute video that summarizes an issue and also provides motivation to the troops. Look up “Turn it off” by “The Alternative Hypothesis” on YouTube as an example.

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Check out everything by the Alternative Hypothesis. Black Pigeon Speaks is also worth listening to.

Thisismeme
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Thisismeme

Murdoch Murdoch

RafterRat
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RafterRat

“…the attention span of a gnat.” That’s being overly generous.

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Most people wake up in the morning asking who do we hate today and what do we believe?

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Clever agitprop can disrupt the expected answers to those questions.

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This is why a bit of chaos might be a good thing.

wholy1
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wholy1

Nah, got to be another full-blown “blood-letting” – glorious and honorable historically, of course.

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We aren’t going to win because we’re right. We’re going to win because they are wrong. You’re right, the public is dumb and can’t be persuaded by reason or logic. They can however lose faith in the status quo, and they are losing faith.

wholy1
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wholy1

“win/lose”? I’d just like to remote-view the “contest” from the RURAL sidelines with the neighbors, while munching on garden-grown veggies – and packing serious “heat”, of course, just in case the “combatants/belligerents” want to take said contest “out of bounds”.

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This is one reason why guerrilla theater can be more effective than lecturing. Even overwhelmed working stiffs can usually find a couple of minutes for entertainment on the long drive home.

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Andrew;
From my part of the world: I know gnats. You have no idea how persistent they are.

Wow, it really *is* easy 😉

Ivar
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Ivar

A problem with using words like ”masses” or ”proles” is that they deny people a human face. Nobody is a hero or philosopher-king these days. People who get on with life may be the smart ones.

wholy1
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wholy1

“People who get on with life may be the smart ones.” – RURALLY! Hoo-wah.

calsdad
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calsdad

What about when the checks stop coming? They can’t keep the current ways of spending forever. They can do it for a long time – and already have. But they can’t do it forever. Sooner or later somebody is going to want to cash in their chips. And I’ve already seen quite a bit of evidence over the last 10 years or so that there’s a significant part of the white working class – who have said : “fuck this – I’m out – I’m not going to play this game any more”. As an example: the net effect of… Read more »

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Jonathan Haidt got a lot wrong in his book on social intuitionism, but he’s right that one of the main ingredients necessary to attract people to a position or a movement is to be attractive. This can mean literally good-looking or well put-together in a bespoke suit (a lot of the hand-wringing over Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer’s existence is that they are the “fashionable” or “genteel” face of white supremacy, with degrees and clean-cut appearances, etc.), but a position of power is also attractive. Trump’s ace in the hole was pretty simple: Money. He was too rich to care… Read more »

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Mel stilled crawled back begging forgiveness in the background. Social acceptance among peers is a real thing.
Did you see the award show where Robert Downey brought back a very humble Mel to the audience?

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Anonymous White Male

“Jonathan Haidt got a lot wrong in his book on social intuitionism, but he’s right that one of the main ingredients necessary to attract people to a position or a movement is to be attractive. This can mean literally good-looking or well put-together in a bespoke suit (a lot of the hand-wringing over Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer’s existence is that they are the “fashionable” or “genteel” face of white supremacy, with degrees and clean-cut appearances, etc.)” Look at the left’s representative faces today. Fuckerberg. Cankles. Bernie Sanders. Rachel Maddow. Morning Joe. Fat, fish mouthed lesbians with green streaks in… Read more »

Issac
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Issac

Respectability has both a visual and presentation dimension. Taylor pulls both off quite well. Spencer has much better visual than presentation, where he has made blunders. The majority of dissident right figures excel at neither. Those who delight in being visually and presentationally edgy should be presumed as bad actors.

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Respectability is about looks and presentation. People who look and act edgy shouldn’t be trusted.

Those are your first and last sentences as written by a normal person. Pretentious writers shouldn’t be trusted. And there’s a whole bunch of them here.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

There are two groups of persuadables, old and young, and they are engaged by different messengers. Respectability helps persuade the few older people who are sufficiently dissatisfied to listen. Edginess helps persuade the young, who see affluence receding. The problem with the respectability argument is that there are very few persuadable older people. Mike Enoch has persuaded more people in 3 years than Jared Taylor has in 3 decades, and Mike has persuaded the young. And I greatly admire Jared Taylor. I wish we lived in a world where his intellect and character were more resonant. Do you want to… Read more »

Mr. Frosty
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Mr. Frosty

Neither project strength. Trump does and as a result, men want to be him and women want to be with him. For some reason, virility and raw masculinity are shunned in dissident circles. I believe the line of reasoning is “you’ll scare the normies.”

We don’t need boring, crusty boomers or metrosexuals. We need warrior-philosophers, Spartans, Crusaders. We need to project strength and wisdom at the same time, yet too many of us fear our own strength.

Brigadon
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Brigadon

“For some reason, virility and raw masculinity are shunned in dissident circles.”

I don’t know what friggin circles YOU travel in, but the dissident right is the ONLY place I see real masculinity these days.

Andrew
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Andrew

While a five to ten-minute video may offer a summary, it will still be too long for the masses. Unfortunately, most people seem to get most of their information from headlines and sound bites. As an example. A former coworker has never fired a rifle or a shotgun, in fact would be hard pressed to tell them apart. He has two handguns that he hasn’t fired in over twenty years, in fact he doesn’t even know how to clean them. Yet, when there was all this recent discussion about banning modern sporting rifles this expert was all for it. When… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

The greater explicitness of anti-white rhetoric from the mainstream media forces more white people, who would rather believe in multiethnic pleasantries, to face the tribal nature of (most) non-whites. For example, a very liberal acquaintance of mine was visibly shaken when I recounted what happened at Evergreen State College. Specifically, prior to 2017, the non-whites had a “Day without Minorities” day during which they did not go to campus. In 2017, they decided that the “Day without Minorities” should entail the whites not coming to campus. My acquaintance was forced to recognize that she won’t be granted an exemption from… Read more »

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“Now, imagine if Conte was not a heretic, just a guy caught up in a witch hunt, orchestrated by subversives pulling a clever prank on the school.” This needs to be looked into. It sounds like a good way to attack collaborators. Say some guy like Jonah Goldbrick is working at a private school and is the model controlled opposition that he is at NR. Puts up a bit of a front but can be relied upon to acquiesce, and even turn on right wingers. You put out some heavy right wing shit in his name, maybe even using his… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

The funniest example of this is when the alt-right trolls impersonated Steven Crowder and advocated violence and genocide.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28218/university-lecturer-attacks-steven-crowder-over-james-barrett

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

Our best resource are our enemies. #boycotStarbucks

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I was captivated by this story yesterday, not so much by the arrest of the two men but by the sheer number of white people who openly confessed that they routinely sit in Starbucks for hours without making a purchase. WTH? It’s inconceivable to me that anyone would presume to take space in a coffee shop/restaurant/bar without making a purchase. It’s disrespectful to the business owner, who has payments to make. Worse, it’s disrespectful to the workers who make a substantial portion of their pay in tips. I had no idea this takes place. What type of asshole does this?… Read more »

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My wife’s nephew talked about his “office” at Starbucks.
When I grilled him, he justified his using a whole table for his work and laptop by saying he was a paying customer.
One lousy beverage mind you. Try as I might, couldn’t explain or shame him out of it.

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I am vaguely aware that Starbucks has become a daytime pickup bar for the “work at home” crowd. Hear lots of stories from guys in sales/bus dev type jobs about getting laid in the afternoons with women they meet at Starbucks. Who knew?

Suburban_elk
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People are having sex right now.

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Agree, I at least buy a pop if I’m going to wait inside a place. Plus I don’t like making the staff feel nervous.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

It’s a place to hang out. A non-alcoholic bar. Like Denny’s used to be, before the non-smoking bullsh*t.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I get it now. The very smart bruthas were there for the white girls, but skipped the protocols. Can’t go low rent in uptown.

JohnMc
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JohnMc

Many a business meeting has been held in a ‘Bucks and not a dollar was spent but the gas to get there. Guilty of that myself. As to respect… they don’t respect me or my views at all so returning the favor makes us even.

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The point isn’t to do work at Starbucks. The point is to be SEEN appearing to do work at Starbucks. It’s all about appearances, which is what the current generation is all about these days.

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

Don’t use Starbucks unless desperate for a cup of coffee. Do have a simple rule when stuck in airports or anyplace else where I need to eat and get some work done…tip goes up for the time past a normal “turn” spent at the table. Never be an asshole to people who actually work for a living.

revjen45
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revjen45

How do I boycott a business I never patronize?

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You actively patronize a competitor, if expensive and inconvenient coffee milkshakes are your thing.

Glen Filthie
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Glen Filthie

You’re not seeing the forest for the trees, Z. The left is on the run. They had the social war sewn up: The schools are pozzed, the courts are a joke, and with the media singing the official tune, all was well. Today public schools are less than bad day cares; America’s best and brightest are being home or private-schooled. Because the courts don’t work, Americans dispense justice right at the crime scene via the Second Amendment. The mass media now only caters to the loons or geriatric hippies and can’t sell a newspaper. Even Sloppy Williamson can’t find a… Read more »

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Quite a Candide post.

Dutch
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Dutch

Sabo–remember the “obey” posters? He has come a long way since then.

Frankly
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Frankly

So start spreading rumors that certain liberal personalities are secretly alt-Right and make popcorn.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

That. That right there. Pure Alinksy.
Heretics in the Church, Catholic spies in England, snitches gettin’ stiches.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Hot damn, we could start another version of the #MeToo witch hunt.

They wanted a low-trust society, everyone sniffing out secret heresy?
One where accusation equals guilt, with penalties to match?
Bearing false witness to get ahead?

Let’s give it to ’em, good and hard.

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Zman: “The hail fellow well met is hard to hate, even when he is causing trouble. The severe prude is impossible to love, even when she is right.”

Well said, and especially true in the English speaking world where personality is overvalued. I still feel the ostracism of Milo was a great loss to the cause, for the reason just quoted.

Tom
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Tom

How about getting some brave ar guys to enter and win women’s sporting events as trannies? Then sue universities for title 9 scholarships. Attack the left’s alliances.

Silver_Yeti
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Silver_Yeti

I coached 4 years of men’s college basketball and 4 years of women’s college basketball. If a school, or a coach, wanted to completely upend Title IX, scholarship 8 males, who claim to be women, and win a national championship… The Left would have to publicly admit there’s a difference between the sexes or the race would be on to fill women’s athletic scholarships with 6′ tall makes smart enough to play the “I was born a woman in a man’s body.”

Maxi Dean
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Maxi Dean

I think you’re on to something there. Do that enough times, and there will no longer be any women competing in women’s sports. Except woman’s beach volleyball, leave that one alone.

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Agree, except for the beach volleyball. They need to institute a minimum cup size.

Member

To this point, the bad behavior of the elites and provoking or exposing that bad behavior has been the most effective red pill, not making persuasive arguments on the superiority of our side. I expect this to continue for the foreseeable future and the dissident right should be focusing on the negative campaign.

MikeCLT
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MikeCLT

“The hail fellow well met is hard to hate, even when he is causing trouble. The severe prude is impossible to love, even when she is right.”

Did you mean Trump vs Comey?

Slovenian Guest
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Slovenian Guest

Are late night comedy shows 4GW? I think so. Here in Europe many people get 100% of their news on America from them, John Oliver may just as well be wearing a pope hat, or Jon “America was never great” Stewart before him. That’s why i go easier on Gavin McInnes than most.

Monty Pythons joke warfare concept is spot on!

LFMayor
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LFMayor

It’s too easy, the way you describe it Z. Clever typing and sloganeering are good for a chuckle and can start a mighty landslide of opinion but nothing will truly change without flies and smoke and stink.
Ares will collect his interest due.

Tom
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Tom

Also the way globo/homo collects information on you is through the census. If your census tract is too white then they import a bunch of section 8’s to your neighborhood. Next census maybe it’s I good idea to report the race you identify with. After all were all from Africa, right?

revjen45
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revjen45

I like to call myself “Native American” because I was born here and self-identify as American. The fact that I am as white as a glass of milk and have blue eyes is secondary to what I FEEL like I am.

Ivar
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Ivar

It is ok. ”Native American” is a virtue-signalling term made up by white people. I live in Oklahoma and know quite a few actual (as opposed to white people with Federal Indian cards) Indians. They invariably refer to themselves as “Indians.” Professional Indians in the grievance industry, of course, will use the term “Native American.”

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The Culture War / Civil War 2.0 / American Social War / whatever is, indeed a 4GW. And will continue to be a 4GW up to the point that contiguous territory is bitten off from the USA and a functioning gov’t and political apparatus is implemented in that territory. True, 4GW may be a new term, but it puts a name to the concept in the context with the post-Westphalia Western concepts of warfare. USMC, AF, Navy, and Big Army all consider guerilla warfare to not really be war and 4GW allows (some of) them to think of it as… Read more »

JohnMc
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JohnMc

That may come sooner than you ever expect. Consider if you will, Illinois or California going belly up due to respective pension crises. They will look for federal assistance. That always comes with strings usually not of a favorable kind. Several other states that are being asked to belly up the cash might well insist they sit on an approval for all expenditures. (precedent for that in US bankruptcy law. Just not to the States yet.) In an effort to right the ship all boatloads of Liberal pipe dreams might get flushed. Personally I like the territorial governor approach. Plenary… Read more »

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Side with the heretics or side with the liars. Deliciously put. We’re on the wrong side of history, so our odds are not good, but this might just be the framing of the fight that will pull history back to our side.

TomA
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TomA

Great question! The first answer is that you need access to the modeling tools that permit reasonable analysis and forecasting of macro-scale social phenomena. Then you need to understand that hi-tech memetic manipulation of the masses is already occurring and this is fundamentally altering the human species. These changes are being accomplished via intentional manipulation of the social environment and humans naturally respond to these drivers. Do this repetitively and long enough, and you will change habits in the main body of the population. In order words, our descendants will adapt to the new environment, for better or for worse.… Read more »

Singh
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Singh

Lol @ playing Casanova with the plebs while a civil war is coming

Casanova is needed but he bows his head to Mars।।

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

I have read a couple of Lind’s books.* The Wiki article is the usual, shallow ‘some say X, others say not X.’** They entirely missed that the best potentially trenchant criticism of Lind’s ideas is historical. That is, throughout history, an insurgency using guerrilla warfare methods ordinarily needed to gain the support of an external power that its target either cannot get at or fears to strike in order to succeed. Otherwise the targeted established power can usually summon the wherewithal to eventually crush it. Even with external support, the insurgents still need to fight well to succeed.*** Lind address… Read more »

Gerard Van der Leun
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Ideas that in time, and perhaps not too long a time, will look well-considered but quaint. This ends not in memes but in guns.

james wilson
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james wilson

Wish that were so, but I fear that it may be our confidence in firearms that has become obsolete against the quality of state arms, against the surveillance state, drones, social control, a weakened native stock, and an indifferent or hostile immigrant stock. Like High Noon, Marshal Kane wrote out his will and stayed to fight because that is who he was, but his search for volunteers demonstrated that the town was not worth saving. I question that we have a nation or a people left to reclaim. Z’s idea improves the quality and attractiveness of the resistance stock.

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Georgiaboy61

ZMan, a few additional points about fourth-generation warfare – or 4GW as it is known to those conversant with Lind’s generations-of-war model. William Lind was one of the acolytes of the late Colonel John Boyd, perhaps the finest military theorist this nation (USA) has ever produced. Boyd was famous in the Pentagon for his briefings and lengthy talks on the history and nature of war. Boyd himself had undertaken a lengthy and in-depth study of war across the ages – after retiring from the military and taking a post in the Pentagon. Boyd is perhaps most famous for his OODA… Read more »

JohnMc
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JohnMc

Memes, counter Tweets, posters are all a form of shaming. Shaming can only get you so far. Once you have control of the zone at some point you have to go physical with your opportunity. The Left will never stop unless you prevent them from breathing.

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

There’s always a reluctance on the right to use the “fight fire with fire” method. It’s commendable conservative America has always taking the high road, but we’re fighting some truly despicable people.

Would like to see an alt right version of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Create a organization with a humanitarian mission ( making it unchallengeable like the NRA ) but use it to go after and discredit the lefty loonies.

vlad
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vlad

Control of the language is another easy one we give up to the left.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Yeah that’s because today’s conservatives leaders are looter-cucks who conserve nothing other than their posh gigs They don’t care about anything other than money and being liked and are basically Democrats from the Clinton era at best The real conservative people are out there of course but the Fake Right especially hates them on class grounds much the same way the elite hates President Trump. In the end the Fake Right are going to have to removed from power and someone far more akin to European Ultra Nationalists will have to run the show if the nation is to survive… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Fake Right- that’s a keeper
(An immediate, updated version of Buckley Right)

vlad
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vlad

Since any search engine can find info on a person according to name, it is a shame to give google free advertising by referring to research as specifically ‘a google search”– pls, that language often leads to the “google it’ substituted for “research it.” I just hate to see the left make fools of ordinary people by substituting their own language…”misgender” is another one that has taken on official status.

wholy1
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wholy1

Meh, the majority of the “soy-bunch Mills” don’t have enough physicality, basic skills or time away from their “dumb-phone” social connections to be of any significant threat to anybody other than picking the bones of remaining “comfortably numb”/complacent Boomers increasingly unable to defend themselves any longer. But, there is a growing element of gunned-up aware that just may be able to “tak’m down”.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Speaking of 4GW, an example, twitter comments at the glorious @HappyHectares: “Starbucks acts as a ‘safe space’ to avoid diversity. If their stores become “enriched” with funky dances, loud voices and occasional stabbings, their business model will collapse. @SecBlasphemy Replying to @ramzpaul I really hope the upshot of this is Starbucks demanding all their locations never evict loitering “people of color”. Just think of how much diversity can be forced into these often left-wing enclaves. Just imagine the stories we’d start to hear.” But we can’t become the same thing as our enemies, can we? Use their tactics against them?… Read more »

Karl
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Karl

“Given the disparity in power, resistance to the ruling orthodoxy will have to be irregular, but within the narrow bounds of the law.” You assume that banner hanging and putting up posters is within the narrow bounds of the law. That is not true. It is illegal, at least in Europe. Simply hanging a banner or putting up a poster is a petty offence. Depending on the message of the banner or poster, it can also be a felony. Sure, doing such things is not very risky. If you get caught (unlikely if you are putting up a poster in… Read more »

Brigadon
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Brigadon

If you aren’t cheating, you don’t care enough about winning.

That’s why the alt-right is despised so much. because we actually care about winning.