The Little Fights

An old joke about libertarians is that they are fond of saying, “That works very well in practice, but how does it work in theory?” It’s an old joke that goes back before such a thing as libertarianism existed. It is often used to zing the excessively intellectual. The joke itself is a twist on the fact that strategy, based in theory, often fails miserably in the field. The world of theory is neat and tidy, while the real world is messy. Ideologues can’t grasp this distinction and live only in theory, which is the point of the joke.

No doubt, libertarians will take exception to this characterization, but this truth is an issue faced by all outsider politics. What often makes them outsiders is an excessive adherence to ideology or to a set of narrow demands. Their unwillingness to compromise makes them unappealing to most people. The various green movements are a good example of theory clashing with reality. You can talk people into being more environmentally conscious, but people are not giving up their cars to please mother earth.

Some on the alt-right suffer from this malady. The reaction by some of them to the British election smacks of that old joke about practice versus theory. Here’s Mike Enoch criticizing Nigel Farage as a gatekeeper, while offering a defense of Carl Benjamin, of all people. Richard Spencer went down the same road when he was on the same YouTube show this week. In both cases, they jam the results into their preferred moral framework, rather than analyzing the results in the proper context.

Farage is a single issue guy, who is first and foremost a politician. He is not a strategist or a political theorist. He is a pitch man, selling a simple idea. Britain needs to get out of the EU and begin functioning like a normal country again. Beyond that, he has no strong opinions on much of anything. In fact, he is willing to embrace the popular side of anything in order to eliminate it as an obstacle. His forays into meta-politics are always with an eye on influencing practical politics, which is where is he is best suited.

The way to think of this is to consider the doughnut shop. Political theory is a debate about how retail commerce, like donut shops, fits in with a preferred social organization. Are doughnut shop keepers bourgeois flunkies of the capital class, oppressing the proletariat, or are they an organic resistance to central planning? In the world of political theory, the choice of signage is not a topic of debate. The closest things come to the actual doughnut shop is having the debate in the doughnut shop.

Meta-politics is the debate and discussion of actual doughnut shops and the various ways of making doughnuts. This is the same as comparing the merits of anarcho-capitalism with other types of libertarianism. The practical benefits are described and compared, but in a largely abstract way. After all, the relative merit of one policy compared to another is similar to the comparison of one type of doughnut versus another type of doughnut. Often the people doing the comparing matter more than the comparison.

Finally, politics is the act of selling doughnuts. The guy running the shop is not all that concerned about the propriety of selling more cream filled versus plain, as his primary task is to sell doughnuts. In theory, having 85 types of doughnut on offer makes sense, but if it results in lots of waste, then having just the five most popular types is going to make more sense to the doughnut maker. This works in practice, so he is not going to care if it violate theory or rustles the jimmies of the food critics.

In this regard, a guy like Farage is the doughnut maker. He is focused on winning over as many people as he can to his single issue. Politics is a sales game, where the salesman is always trying to figure out the needs and motivations of the voter. His politics, therefore, have to be flexible enough to fit many situations. The good salesman removes all of the reasons to say no. He attacks the objections, rather than just pitch the benefits. In politics, the game is to avoid disqualifiers so the voter focuses only on the pitch.

That’s why Farage’s new party won big, while Carl Benjamin, Sargon of Akkad, and UKIP were humiliated at the pols. Farage is a likable guy, who avoids taking controversial positions on inconsequential issues. He maintains his focus on the one issue that matters to him, Brexit. Benjamin is a smarmy ideologue who never misses a chance to step on a rake. He embarrassed himself and anyone associated with him, by confirming all of the claims made by his critics. It turns out that there is such a thing as bad publicity.

The alt-right guys will contend that winning is pointless if it does not result in a change in policy or a change in the political culture. That is a fair point and something anyone voting Republican the last 30 years can understand. The GOP has won many elections, but delivered very little to their voters. In the case of the British election, this analysis does not apply as the vote was not an actual election. It was a test of the political atmosphere in Britain that will influence the upcoming struggle to find a new Prime Minister.

It’s why calling Farage a gatekeeper or part of the problem is pretty dumb. The election results give support to the Brexit hardliners in the Tory party and give cover to the moderates, who can now side with Brexit. Britain leaving the EU has enormous downstream consequences for nationalist movements all over the continent. The British leaving the EU strips away the taboo. It is no longer unthinkable for other countries to consider leaving the EU as an option to being ruled by Brussels.

The point of all this is that what we saw in Britain is a good example of why outsider politics remains on the fringe. Ideologues can’t understand why candidates don’t run as ideologues, refusing to compromise on anything. The alt-right guys want candidates to run as open and avowed racists. In the case of Farage, they wanted him to talk about the Paki rape gangs and knife wielding Muslims, rather than his main issue. They simply don’t get why valiantly losing is a bad idea, so they criticize guys like Farage.

It’s also why the Left has been so wildly successful, compared to their numbers. It has been popular for generations to accuse liberals of being unrealistic dreamers, but in reality they operate like cold blooded pragmatists. They win every small fight so it makes it easier to win the next small fight. They are like rats gnawing at the support cables of the status quo, knowing that one day the cables will snap. They never confuse political philosophy with retail politics and they never lose sight of larger goals when in small fights.

Farage winning the election is a small victory, but that’s what it takes to change the culture, winning the small battles. It is the cumulative effect of changing a mind here and a mind there, of normalizing a bit our stuff here and anathematizing some of the orthodoxy over there. It’s messy and boring, which is why ideologues don’t like it, but it is the only way dissident politics can change the culture and eventually change politics. What our side needs is more guys like Farage and fewer rigid ideologues scolding him.

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Tim Newman
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By sticking to the one issue – Brexit – Farage has united some really strange bedfellows who agreed to not start bickering about anything else until Brexit is delivered. Hence they romped home in the elections. As you say, many lessons to be drawn from this.

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King Tut

This is correct. I admire Farage’s iron discipline when it comes to the Brexit issue and the other members of the Brexit Party who toed that line and that line only. It was and will remain a winning strategy. It was a joy to observe the loser Tories spluttering and harumphing about a ” lack of policies” while the electoral blood drains from their bodies. Conservative Party delenda est.

williamwilliams
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williamwilliams

The Tories have been worthless since they torpedoed Thatcher.

Mike
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Mike

For some reason, I suddenly want a doughnut….

The Babe
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The Babe

I too smelled the unmistakable influence of the Doughnut Lobby behind this piece. Pure grift. I think some of you guys need to read up on the DQ.

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At one point I used to give talks to factory guys. They’d always walk into the room and joke, “where the donuts?” They’d sit down and keep saying it. Working men never tire of the same wisecracks, so I just took it as part of the repetitive scenery. Then at one factory the plant manager took me aside and said, “You know son, these guys aren’t joking right? You make them sit in a conference room and concentrate for an hour, they expect donuts. Bring the donuts.”

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

When legal, hunting over bait is always the superior strategy.

Drake
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Drake

Well said.

Exile
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Exile

Occidental Observer had a piece last week (“Ministry of Liberty”) discussing how 3 open borders zealots formerly of the “Revolutionary Communist Party” are riding Nigel’s coattails as members of his current party. The post contrasts this with Farage’s pro-Brexit “Breaking Point” poster which says “We must break free of the EU and take back our borders.” The NRA doesn’t allow gun-grabbers to run under its aegis. Is it “fanatical” to distrust a guy who either by default or design lets genuine fanatics for open borders make Trotskyist inroads into his party, whose base he motivates by appeals for immigration restriction?… Read more »

King Tut
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King Tut

Nigel Farage is single-handedly burying the Cuckservatives in Britain, while some of our people gripe on the sidelines that he is somehow fake because he won’t go full on 1488. Do they not realise that that is how the Cucks keep winning? Or perhaps they do realise it?

Issac
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Issac

You listen to a network that features Eric Striker and have a problem with former revolutionary communists who are presently interested in national sovreignity?

Exile
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Exile

Their “interest” is in open borders. Read my response above. If they weren’t rabid for open borders, I could accept the Big Tent strategy. If your interest is in national sovereignty, what the hell are people like this going to do to advance that ball down the field?

Chris_Lutz
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Britain can’t have a talk about borders while it belongs to the EU. So, step you, you have to leave the EU. If you have to include people who are against steps 2, 3, 4 of your agenda to achieve step 1, that’s what you do. Once you achieve step one, the board changes and you’ll work on a coalition that can achieve step 2.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

That’s some funny shit right there. “The NRA doesn’t allow gun grabbers to run under it’s aegis”. That depends on your viewpoint – which is dependent on your level of cuckery on the subject (in this case firearms). The NRA has (and rightfully so) – taken quite a bit of heat for it’s virtual gun grabbing cuck ways. In the same vein as the criticism of “conservatism” that I see here – I could also say about the NRA. It never met a gun control bill it didn’t cuck itself into accepting. 1934 National Firearms Act. Federal Firearms Act of… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

The NRA is a good example of why you can’t base your trust on the Left’s hatred. It’s also a good counter-example to “Your enemy’s enemy is your friend.” On second thought, maybe the Left prefers the backstabbing, ineffectual NRA as an enemy, so they direct their hate (and Joe Blow’s support) its way.

JR Ewing
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This is an excellent post and I need to ponder the analogies to U.S. politics. What’s the easiest victory that the alt-right can achieve, today? How do you reverse all the bullshit that our culture is cluttered with? What’s the first brick off of the pile? Is it all intersectional or is it not? After 60 seconds of thinking, I’m leaning towards ending birthright citizenship. I think that’s our single-issue Brexit and I think it’s one issue – on it’s own without any other baggage attached – that could get through Congress and upheld by the courts. Heck, you might… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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This would still have been a good strategy for the US ten years ago. Europe has the luxury of being able to pursue a piecemeal strategy, we don’t. They are in a much better demographic position than we are; they have actual nationalist parties to rally around whether they are more direct like Salvino’s Lega or indirect like Farage’s Brexit. We have an election coming up in 2020. We also have the decennial census occurring. Many “white” Hispanics and “white North Africans” and fellow “whites” and others will keep the number of whites at over 50%. What ever number they… Read more »

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c matt

The other advantage European countries have is the multiparty system. If we had four or five major parties splitting the spoils it would be difficult for a winner-take-all scenario. It would be nice if you could break up the duopoly, but that would be like asking Coke and Pepsi to voluntarily split themselves up into several smaller companies.

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Heh. Anti-Trust law used against political parties.

3g4me
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3g4me

Yves Vannes Well said.

JR Ewing
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Don’t worry, despite the post above, I do think dissolution is ultimately the solution to all of this.

3g4me
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3g4me

The piecemeal strategy – and ending birthright citizenship – might have worked back in 1980. It is far, far too late now. We are about 56% Christian European White and dropping fast.

Yves Vannes
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We can add to this another problem with traditional politics: 29 states passed a ban on gay marriage, what’s the law-of-the-land today carried out by fiat?

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Many Whites aren’t especially religious and aren’t interested in the older moral structure as demonstrated by pervasive porn ,highly variant sexual practices and drug use It reminds be of something Pat Buchanan was talking about years ago, to paraphrase a lot of the younger people (Gen X at the time) considered homosexuality no more significant than being Left handed Its pretty hard to “roll it back to 1920” or something when you can’t get anyone upset enough to want it. And this includes a lot of Dissident Right people too A more close to home example, California has no gendered… Read more »

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Whether ending birthright citizenship is the precise answer or not, I’m more and more coming to believe that victory can only lie in multiple state and local measures to sponsor constitutional amendments, local laws, gubernatorial proclamations (yes, I know they are hot air), etc… That is, we must lay the groundwork ultimately, for secession or partition. I just saw below that this is pretty much what Yves Vannes is proposing. He calls it “political disruption with the goal being separation.”

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It has been popular for generations to accuse liberals of being unrealistic dreamers, but in reality they operate like cold blooded pragmatists. They win every small fight so it makes it easier to win the next small fight. Most certainly a good fraction of the left are unrealistic dreamers. (Look at Alexandra Ocasio Cortez for example. Let’s ban cars!) And as for “win every fight”, no, they don’t, at least not over the short term. They do tend to win in the long term. The left wins in demccracy for several strategic reasons. First, they control all the high ground… Read more »

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DLS

“First, they control all the high ground (in democracy) of the propaganda organs of the state: the schools, higher education, the press, and Hollywood.”

To Zman’s point, they won those by street fighting 24/7/365 and doing the tedious work of infiltrating, subverting and taking over these organs. They are religious zealots who will never quit or rest. This is exhausting to normal people, so the left always controls more ground than their numbers would indicate.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

This is why I constantly say: REMOVE THEM. What I mean by that is: Remove the schools from government control. Remove Federal funding of education. Cut the Federal government apart with a chainsaw and get rid of entire agencies. Get rid of things like the income tax. Remove the organs that the left constantly takes over – and you’ve eliminated the larger portion of the problem. You’re also being consistent with the way this country was setup in the first place. Yes – you are correct. The left will fight 24/7/365 to TAKE OVER organs of power. So REMOVE THEM.… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

REMOVE THEM

How? What is this metaphorical chain saw of which you speak?

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Libertarian systems, minimal state, minarchy and Nightwatchman States are all bullshit and not only don’t work but no one other than a tiny number of Anglo Saxons is crazy enough to think its a good idea. You cannot run society without government. Instead that vacuum will create a legitimacy crises and you’ll get Roosevelt 2.0 if you are lucky, Stalin if you are not. Instead your guys must be the State and perform the just duties of those organizations. You don’t want Leftists running the EPA than you make sure the air, water and land are clean and rivers aren’t… Read more »

Monsieur le Baron
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My first brush with Dissident Politics came from a crank who said that my people were pure evil and all powerful. I didn’t like that. Generally speaking, the foot soldiers of any political movement tend to be people with nothing better to do. The mentally imbalanced with serious life issues. The advantage of the Dissident Right is that it’s a genuine grassroots, organic movement. People are popping out of the earth, not being groomed by a machine. But the machine has some things right, like polishing its leaders and giving them political training. The people talking for the Dissident Right… Read more »

Monsieur le Baron
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By my people, I mean cloud people. Sorry for double posting.

The Babe
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The Babe

Some of our guys say Farage is a MAGA-level cuck, but watch this amazing, and apparently impromptu, remark on Enoch Powell, and you’ll see that Nigel /knows/ what we know. https://youtu.be/GhZ9PkC8Tig More pertinent to this article is the magnet analogy he gives, pulling people ahead little by little. In my own (mis)adventures in redpilling, I’ve discovered that a “next step” approach works best. A lot of normies are not ready for the leap to the Full Right, but they’re ready for that next step in their deprogramming. Surely practical policy is similar. The Zman is right, a real, hard Brexit… Read more »

Johnny55
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Johnny55

You are exactly correct! It’s about pacing folks. Did the left fire out of the gate with tranny demons reading to little children?? No, they talked about free love and don’t judge promiscuous HETEROSEXUAL sex. In the early part of the twentieth century did a certain group openly attack Christianity?? No, they just said the State wasn’t inclusive of their religion and thus Jesus had to be banned too. It’s called a “long march” for a damn reason.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Yep. I’ve found that normies respond extremely well to my saying that all groups should be treated equally and not demonized – including whites. Use their own beliefs as a wedge.

Just using the word “anti-white” can be helpful because it 1) wakes people up to the fact that whites are a group and 2) that whites can be discriminated against. The same for “It’s OK to be white.”

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

A group of 3 white NewYorkCity school employees filed a $90million lawsuit today, against the Chancellor of the Dept of Education (Richard Carranza). They were upper level executives (not classroom teachers); they claim that Carranza’s crusade against “toxic” whiteness at the Dep’t of Education created an “Us vs. Them’’ culture that saw the longtime officials demoted in favor of less-qualified persons of color.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/28/bombshell-suit-claims-carranzas-toxic-whiteness-purge-cost-doe-execs-their-jobs/

Pushback is coming …

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Unfortunately, we’re running out of time and white babies. I hope there’s enough time left over here to put Zman’s ideas into effect.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

We’re running out of time (actually, ran out of time) to save the society that once was the United States. We have to stop thinking in those terms. That country is terminally ill. What we’re trying to do is carve a place for our people whatever new society comes next. That’s very doable.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Europe is in a correction right now and will be getting Whiter faster. They may not have a huge fertility increase but that isn’t really an issue as its a crowded land. Hungary has managed a fertility increase though it hasn’t gone into growth and as that nation is crowded and urban, its proven to be quite expensive Oh well. You want babies and cities? You have to pay lots for them. In the US what we are out if is will to power and willingness to take risks . There are more than enough people angry at the system… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

I like what I read was the Algerians’ statement to White colonists in the 1960s and have adopted it as my own slogan re White America versus all others (including purported model minority aliens): Suitcase or coffin. That says it all for me. Clown world indeed. Oh come oh come asteroid, maunder minimum, or whatever it takes.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

It takes you and people like you to decide on what they want and be willing to sacrifice everything for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

“They are like rats gnawing at the support cables of the status quo, knowing that one day the cables will snap.” —More like cancer that eventually kills the patient and the cancer.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

109 different patients and it was never the cancer’s fault!

Rogeru
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Rogeru

Anticancerism is not who we are!

Johnny55
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Johnny55

This is a fantastic article of realpolitik. Farage is the PERFECT pitchman for Brexit. Look at what this one man has done. Conversely, it’s what drives me nuts about the spergs on our side. Folks, you do realize that EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is against Trump and has been since he announced in 2015. The fact that he is where he is, is frigging amazing. OUR SIDE was literally going to give it away for good re the Gang of 8. It’s why Coulter drives me nuts. Good to keep his feet to the fire, but give the guy a break… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

I voted for Trump to 1) control the border. 2) control the border and 3) control the border. Ann Coulter is one of the few people who hold his feet to the fire on that particular issue. Just days ago, Trump talking to the press said that E-Verify, if implemented would hurt farmers. So just what was won? Maybe a few judges. Maybe a couple approved pipelines. At least a hot first lady and not some dowdy shrew. He broke that tradition. So very little. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-fox-news-interview-trump-expresses-concern-about-e-verify/2019/05/19/3495ef74-7aa8-11e9-a66c-d36e482aa873_story.html?utm_term=.32c398d5df49 To ice the cake he’s surrounded by intellectually hollow war mongers. He’s a one… Read more »

DLS
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DLS

If Trump doesn’t win in 2016, the 2nd amendment would be gone. Instead of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, we would have two new RBGs, plus two more to soon replace the actual RBG and Breyer. So, 6-3 extreme liberal Supreme Court for 20-40 years. Most types of firearms would be regulated out of existence, and the onerous new registration requirements would not be worth it for most people. Before Trump, over half the GOP were amnesty pussies. Yes, the invasion is worse now, as the Left digs in and fights ferociously, but the Overton window has shifted. We may lose anyway,… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Do you know how anti gun the hispanic culture is (which is now the majority in my state)? They vote like they did in their home country. Mexico has ONE legal gun store, that requires so much paperwork that you can’t buy a gun. As they murder each other left and right with illegal firearms. Legal ownership of firearms is A CULTURAL ISSUE. So goes the culture, so goes the judges.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

What’s that again about the perfect being the enemy of the good?

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

The perfect would be adhering to a rigid platform of 1000 issues. All I want is to stop the deliberate replacement of the population with docile (to the political establishment) peasants. It’s the single issue of our times. I did NOT vote for more H1Bs, more refugees, more everything. I especially didn’t vote for a border to be policed in Afghanistan while ours is wide open. There was a candidate, an orange blob, who campaigned on all of this. I voted for him. It was all cheap talk (although I thought there was a 20-30% chance that he meant it).

DLS
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DLS

He got rolled by the open borders RINOs to take on taxes, health insurance and military spending, and then they would focus on immigration. He is to blame for this too, as well as for offering too much amnesty to get too little enforcement. But there was no one available who was more hawkish on immigration. If there was, I would have voted for him.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

I tend to agree that if there is not some visual shot of the wall going up, Trump could be in trouble. Barring that, 2020 will be interesting to say the least…

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I may be making the mistake this post is about by saying that there is one issue where I cant really stomach Farage and that topic is Tommy Robinson + islam. For those, probably mostly in the US, who dont know who Tommy Robinson is, he is quite simply the most politically persecuted man in modern British, and perhaps European, history. He’s an islam critic. What the Brit state has done to him is absolutely incredible, deliberately locking him up w violent muslim gangs, no-knock police visits at his home in the early morning, cops openly harrashing him on the… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Another reason I distrust Farage. Robinson isn’t Richard Spencer throwing up Roman salutes or Enoch pining for the Fourth Reich. Farage’s pragmatism is a little too pragmatic for my tastes. I understand the need to balance principles and practicality. Farage is useful to a point but as a standard bearer I read him like a British Newt Gingrich.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

TR is definitely no Richard Spencer. I actually share friends w him, the dissident environment is not very big. And I admit difficulty keeping ‘analytical distance’ when talking about what he’s been put through. Disowning him for political expediency is where I have to draw the line; it’s not enough to do tactics, you also have to know why you’re fighting. And you also need some level of loyalty to ppl who are risking far more in the same fight. W/o some levels of cohesion and loyaty, we ll stay atomized idiots forever. TR is not ‘expendable’ to me.

Exile
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Exile

Enoch has labeled TR a gatekeeper similar to Robert Spencer (racism vs. Muslims is “alt-lite” approved b/c muh philo-Semitism). That said, you can’t deny TR has paid a helluva price for his beliefs, which suggests to me that he’s genuine, regardless of differences of opinion we might have on Israel & the Euro diaspora. Skin in the game always appeals to me. Nigel, like Newt, seems more about saving his own skin. Z’s overall point is sound, but Farage’s lack of personal cred makes the argument suffer.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

TR is legit. He is not heavily into HBD, he actually has a significant non-white following in the UK. He probably has some moderate tendencies to civ nat and such but admittedly I also have traces of that. His single issue is islam. And that’s where he’s 100 genuine. Maybe that could get in the way of Brexit, that’s actually possible. I can understand that argument. Farage’s strong attacks on TR were unnecessary I think. They were also ‘punching right’ and probably split dissident circles in many places. Was that what it took to make enough civ nats vote Brexit?… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Farage gets things done, Robinson set himself up for martyrdom and got it. Being martyred is not the way to get things done.

After you’ve won, then you venerate your martyrs.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Farage gets things done

Does he? Im happy to learn that Britain is actually out of the EU.

You re not going to have much of a following if your crowd thinks you will be the first to AWOL the minute one of them gets in real trouble.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Certainly the assembling and success of the Brexit party was getting something done.

Here we go again: he didn’t get everything I want done the minute he showed up so let’s reject him and bellyache some more.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Certainly the assembling and success of the Brexit party was getting something done.

Do you have ANY idea how ridiculously unimportant the European Parliament is?? It’s like expecting novel surprises at the Soviet Communist Party Congress. It’s a rubber stamp clown show.

A delivered Brexit, that would have been ‘something’. A few dissident voices in a cuck ‘parliament’ far away not so much.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Yes I do know how useless the EU parliament is. It proves the sham nature of citizen control over Brussels. That’s why Brits voted to get out of the EU.

Farage could not deliver Brexit. That was up to Theresa May and her useless party and they failed utterly.

What Farage did was rally the Brexiters and show the waffling Tories that there is still strong public support for getting out of the EU. He at least kept the proverbial ball in play.

Which is more useful than standing on the sidelines accomplishing nothing more than squawking about immigrants.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

You re still not getting it. That a subsection of the comments section here has become a ‘Farage vs Tommy Robinson’ is because Farage created that schism. He didnt need to attack Robinson.

The fact that he did contains, I suspect, insights into his character and views on immigration. Views that make him as dangerous to Britain’s longterm survival as the EU is.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Robinson contributed nothing to Brexit but a chance for the media and Remainer classes to tar the party with a charge of racism.

And Farage’s focus is getting out of the EU.

Balliol
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Balliol

Farage is a Tory Safety Valve.

Spud Boy
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Spud Boy

I’d like to see someone run on the single issue of ending Affirmative Action.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Government-enforced Affirmative Action is barely even a thing anymore.

Voluntary corporate “diversity initiatives” are a plague and nothing but a means to legally discriminate against white men.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

This is a good point. Affirmative action is now the culltural norm and people are PC whipped into perpetuating it.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Then that’s the political tact to take.

Stress how diversity initiatives have taken over from AA – and therefore AA can be gracefully retired. (repealed).

At the corporate level the problem will then take care of itself as all of the companies with the most out of control “diversity” initiatives will go out of business.

Taking this tact is far easier than trying to fight the issue at the Federal level – and therefore having to go up against all the lefties moral arguments.

Let the dollars make the decision. Because they WILL.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

To say that diversity initiatives are the reason that Affirmative Action can be retired is to accept the Left’s frame that “diversity” is good.

Every major corporation willfully discriminates against white men nonstop; it’s not about dollars it’s about the signaling of virtue. Abolishing Affirmative Action won’t change that in the least.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

retiring Affirmative Action is just the first baby step; if we can argue that the diversity set-asides obviate the need for AA, than at least it opens the door for a few companies to legally ignore both AA and diversity quotas. Don’t expect every company to suddenly ditch Diversity as soon as AA is overturned, but some will; it will be a long slow transition to purely merit based hiring practices.

3g4me
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3g4me

Carlsdad, here is where we part ways. Your faith in the power of the proverbial but totally theoretical ” free market” is utterly misplaced. “Let the dollars make the decision. Because they WILL.”

Not that I’ve noticed for the last half century.

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If there’s a second Trump term one delicious possibility would be a Trump DOJ initiaive to investigate and prosecute major corporations for racial etc. discrimination violations under the Civil Rights Act based on corporate Diversity initiatives. I’m highly confident the surge of support for that from the quietly seething corporate masses would be huge. The suppressed hatred of normal people in corporations for their Diversity overlords can hardly be overestimated.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

The guy who won’t even issue an executive order to protect his supporters’ free speech rights is supposed to do this?

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Insofar as I know, Richard Spencer’s issue with Brexit is that it ultimately won’t make a dime of difference.

In light of the Trump experience, he may be onto something here.

Exile
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Exile

Brexit is merely a starting point. It moves the fight against Anglo dispossession to the British Parliament where it belongs rather than Brussels. A good step, but hardly the slam dunk for re-Anglicizing Britain.

King Tut
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King Tut

There is no “slam dunk” solution for either Britain or the USA.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Maybe not a “slam dunk,” but I can think of a Pareto Principle Solution that would solve about 80% of our problems…

Balliol
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Balliol

There is no electoral solution

Johnny55
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I have long thought about this. On one hand, perhaps this is God’s will, Israel is reconstituted, perhaps this is the inevitable march towards Revelations. On the other hand, nothing is known to us, so we must act like we can save the day. Hungary is a bright light, for example. What the left has are foot soldiers who do not waver and know where there true loyalties lie. Look at the obamacare vote. Many dems were sacrificed to jam that through. The GOP, we can’t even get these aholes to jam through decent immigration policies. Trump has done a… Read more »

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Skepticism of Farage and his motivations are reasonable, given his past actions and words. For instance, Farage quit and tossed UKIP to the side after the successful Brexit vote, rather than ride herd over UKIP and keep his focus on making Brexit happen. He could have used his talents and UKIP to keep up the pressure, but instead left it to dangle when it most needed discipline. And when UKIP, deprived of Farage’s leadership and discipline, branched out a bit, Farage tossed UKIP under the bus and gave rhetorical support to those who hate actual Britons. To an outside viewer… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Farage is at VERY BEST a strong civ nat patriot. It is possible that you had to be that to win the Brexit vote but he also shows the limitations of civ nat. The man is a complete HBD denier.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

Harping on HBD and the JQ is what keeps the dissedent right on the fringes of serious public consideration. True or not, the Normies at this stage are repelled by it.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

It’s not harping on HBD and Im actually fine w him being pro-Israel, I have such tendencies myself.

Farage is single-issue on the EU. Fair enough, maybe I became single-issue on Farage when he said this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-tommy-robinson-ukip-appointed-gerard-batten-grooming-gangs-islam-prison-reform-a8647921.html

Farage is charming and he’s right about the EU. But he’d sell you down the river for a lollipop. So just know who you re dealing with and rooting for.

Lorenzo
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Here’s (to me anyway) a reasonable short summary from Wikipedia of what happened to UKIP. The story is more complicated than this, and maybe I’ve missed too much detail in following it from afar. “The pressure UKIP exerted on the government was the main reason for the 2016 referendum which led to the UK’s commitment to withdraw from the European Union. Farage then stepped down as UKIP leader, and the party’s vote share and membership heavily declined. Following repeat leadership crises, Gerard Batten took over. Under Batten, UKIP moved into far-right territory by foregrounding an anti-Islam message. At this, many… Read more »

Balliol
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Balliol

Don’t forget that MI5 agent Carl Benjamin decided UKIP should start to promote then defend spergy jokes about Rape. Robinson was never allowed to run as a UKip candidate. No ukip was engulfed in defending a socially inept asset who deliberately used language that would piss off half the potential voting base. Robinson just carries the flag for Geller, Pipes, Israeli sponsored counter jihadism.

3g4me
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So since normies are repelled by biological reality, I must not mention it? Sorry. As Moran ya Simba stated, there’s such a thing as too much political strategy.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

If you want to convince normies of something, it’s a good idea not to repel them.

Exile
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Exile

Thus my sense that he’s a British Newt Gingrich.

Balliol
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Balliol

The irony is that the fools in the Libedem Green ChUK wing of politics are so brilliantly undermining Jeremy Corbyns rearguard strategy of Tactic Ambiguity that Corbyn is going to be forced to openly declare he’s a remainer. Once Corbyn is forced to state this the Tory party will finally ratify the May_Gove_Johnson Bill and legal and factual Brexit will have occurred.

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Thanks for this zman. There has been a lot of traffic on here, and elsewhere, surrounding the question of “what do we actually do?”. I think the answer lies in the type of success that Farage is forging and your own (correct, IMO) analysis that the path to success lies in small and incremental victories. I think that too many of our people long for a sudden and glorious revolution where we take to the streets and overthrow the globohomo order. I understand and sympathise. I, too, want to crush our enemies, to drive them before us and to hear… Read more »

Gravity Denier
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Do we have the luxury of 70 years to turn things around? It’s tough to make that case. A serious dissident right has to rest on acknowledging that the political, cultural, and ideological wars are over and the left has won. The strategy and tactics for reversing a defeat are different from those of a contest between equals. Sure, there’s value in “doing little, unglamorous but useful things” but let’s not kid ourselves: the other side is constantly expanding its own dominance through incremental mopping up operations. Each of us should contribute what we are most talented at and temperamentally… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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By asking the question you’ve answered it.

Where were we 70 years ago and where are we today?

At the current rate of change where will we be in 70 more years?

Traditional politics, fighting one small battle at a time is the pathway to oblivion for the USA.

King Tut
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I don’t think it will take us 70 years (and I agree that we don’t have 70 years). But it is going to take a few years and hard work and step-by-step progress. Even if your determined to wait for a Sulla, there is a much greater chance of a Sulla showing up if we have already laid at least some of the groundwork.

King Tut
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King Tut

“…you’re determined…”.

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Felix_Krull

Farage is a single issue guy, who is first and foremost a politician. He is not a strategist or a political theorist. He is a pitch man, selling a simple idea. Farage is a globalist plant. Farage was sent to occupy the spot as the spokesman for the disenfranchised voters so that real nationalists wouldn’t occupy it, corral the insurrectionist vote in a harmless vessel. He had to be good enough to stop the punters from going to real nationalists, but not good enough to get a Brexit vote – he did not deliver Brexit, he did everything to sabotage… Read more »

King Tut
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Felix, I disagree with you. The press and the establishment in the UK is on hair-trigger alert for any whiff of anything that sounds or smells like something they can call “racism” and they will use that to destroy their target. That’s how it works here! Farage knows this and we know it. They have already tried very hard to brand the Leave movement as a neo-nazis and, so far, it hasn’t worked. But Farage only has to utter one adverse syllable about immigration and they will use that to smear the entire independence movement as nothing more than a… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

But Farage only has to utter one adverse syllable about immigration and they will use that to smear the entire independence movement as nothing more than a bunch of slavering racists. Farage has been treated with kid gloves; you can’t be a successful Machurian if the establishment is licking your arse, so he gets a bit of hassle – also, nobody necessarily told the media that Farage was one of their own guys. Compare the way they treat Tommy Robinson to the way they treated Farage, and you’ll know who’s for real and who’s a globalist agent. With that man’s… Read more »

King Tut
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I am a big fan of TR who is a real British hero. But note that he stood as an independent candidate in the Euros and failed to get elected. He has been successfully demonised. But that does mean that Farage is an establishment catspaw; if he was then he would never have started the Brexit party. Instead, he would have joined the Tories on the promise that he would “fight for Brexit” and then allow himself to fail.

Look, I could be wrong but Farage has been getting too much done to be just a safety valve.

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But that does mean that Farage is an establishment catspaw; if he was then he would never have started the Brexit party. On the contrary. Joining the Tories would be meaningless if he were a plant, his job is to herd the insurrectionists, the protest vote. He can’t do that if he’s part of the establishment. And he established the Brexit Party so UKIP wouldn’t get that vote. And it’s not just a matter of Tommy being demonised, they tried to kill him. They swat his family regularly, harass them in the streets and sic murderous Mohammadans on him. Farage… Read more »

Balliol
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Balliol

The Tory Party want out of the EU but they don’t want to stop Globohomogayplex. Farage is a Tory. Robinson is a Likudnik. Benjamin is an MI5 wrecker.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

“But Farage only has to utter one adverse syllable about immigration and they will use that to smear the entire independence movement as nothing more than a bunch of slavering racists.”

The UKIP didn’t realize this and did themselves in because of it.

King Tut
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King Tut

UKIP was formed as an anti-EU party. They were called oddballs and eccentrics and swivel-eyed little Englanders but they were tolerated. Laughed at but allowed to operate. As soon as we won the referendum, they started making noises about immigration. BANG! They suddenly became the Nazi Party and you could lose your job for just being a member.

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Felix_Krull

BANG! They suddenly became the Nazi Party and you could lose your job for just being a member.

Concurrent with Farage’s exit.

Balliol
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Balliol

Carl Benjamin when challenged on the rape issue declined to immediately mention Rotherham or Cologne. He simultaneously sounded like a white Muslim threatening white girls and then declined to sound like a paladin for the white race. There’s literally no one on the political map that thinks like him. Most people are authoritarian left from an analytical pov. No one is a spergy individualist.

Balliol
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Balliol

Farage is a Tory Safety Valve. Robinson is a Mossad asset. Carl Benjamin works for MI5.

The Tory Party will unite around a Brexit Bill in summer just after Corbyn cucks to the Libgreenchuk and declares he’s a remainer.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Yeah I basically agree. Im starting to suspect that Farage may be an example of ‘prettier from afar (US) than up close (inside EU)’

Exile
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Exile

Thanks for the info on his kids’ dual passports. This should be a deal-breaker for a politician of any stripe. That kind of “optionality” is a petri dish for cut-and-run expediency and opportunist grifting. I don’t want it for Israelis in this country and Brits should reject the concept vis a vis the EU as well.

Julian
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Julian

What a load of garbage. You could publish this somewhere and it would show up in Xirl Science.

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TomA

Biology matters. Evolution has built us according to what has “worked” over the long history of our development. Our most fundamental habits of mind are inculcated during our early formative years when our brains are growing fast. When our environment consisted of hardship and existential threat, we learned the wisdom that helped us to survive and thrive, and that programming was sticky or we never made to puberty. We’ve all inherited this sticky memes trait (sometimes called stubbornness) and it’s why talking doesn’t really change minds late in life. If you want fundamental change in the mental habits of the… Read more »

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“It’s also why the Left has been so wildly successful, compared to their numbers. It has been popular for generations to accuse liberals of being unrealistic dreamers, but in reality they operate like cold blooded pragmatists. They win every small fight so it makes it easier to win the next small fight. They are like rats gnawing at the support cables of the status quo, knowing that one day the cables will snap. They never confuse political philosophy with retail politics and they never lose sight of larger goals when in small fights.” Spot on. Whenever some conservative or libertarian… Read more »

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Dutch

Today’s post calls to mind how things work today in the political arena. Conservative public figures constantly get asked to comment on global warming, abortion, and so on, and vanity dictates that they share opinions on all these things. Then the get hung out to dry by the media when they share their opinions. On the Liberal side, Hollywood and the media do the opinion sharing on various issues for the candidates, so the candidates can hammer away at the one or two things they stand for. Farage’s discipline to stay simply on point is a great example to follow.

DLS
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DLS

Damn, now I want a doughnut.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Herr Obersturmbahnfuhrer Mueller just presented to the corrupt Congress the roadmap for impeachment. The Deep State/’Rat Party/GOPe/Media Complex is coming after the President.

Question:

What will Whites/Conservatives/Alt Right do about it?

Best Guess: Absolutely nothing.

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A.B Prosper

Its very very unlikely he’ll be removed from office of that being impeached will cost him an election, it helped Clinton after all. its all clown theater and as such no one needs do anything especially worry about it. In any case the people liable to help him if he asks are not our people. He’s not our guy, just an ally who’ll jump in are Its Bikers for Trump and MAGA types including active duty who outnumber us by a huge margin . They might decide its Der Tag if he is removed or an assassin gets through In… Read more »

Issac
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Issac

Farage and Brexit per se were both debatable issues on the dissident right. The real story here is that TDS came out for Sargon, which is inexplicable given their rightful mockery of him not long ago. That was almost as jarring as hearing the Exodus Americanus hosts endorse the idea that black Christians were better neighbors than non-Christian whites.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

The Dissident Right has two groups within it that are both are trying to subvert the group to serve their ends,

The Christendom Now faction and the Liberty Movement

Neither are really compatible with one another and both are essentially not part of the core which is more secular and focused around economic nationalism and immigration/race issues . Its Paleconservatism without the preaching

Monty James
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I stopped reading this piece in the middle because I had a sudden urge to walk down to the bakery.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Bloodsugar! Bloodsugar! Bloodsugar! Fatcart!
Go fry up some Bacon….Bacon….Bacon. BLT for breakfast.
Eat Meat….support ranchers!

Mark auld
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Mark auld

I’m still looking for bacon seeds to plant in my garden !

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Z: “The alt-right guys…simply don’t get why valiantly losing is a bad idea, so they criticize guys like Farage.” Funny, and on the mark, I think. The admirable Mark Collett did a YouTube video about a month ago called “Nigel Farage & the Brexit Party”, where he respectfully criticized Farage for being motivated by ego, and spoke of his habit of trying to derail would-be leaders to the right of him, out of selfishness and desire for the spotlight to be on him alone. Made sense to me at the time. But if you don’t follow it closely it’s hard… Read more »

Balliol
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Balliol

Collett is a very good analyst. He’s basically taking a scalpel to the ego of posturing rightists and examining their psychological foundations through the medium of their political positions.

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There seems to be a common issue on our side of the divide with being fixated on what we are going to do after we “win” instead of worrying about winning first and then figuring it out.

Rogeru
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Rogeru

We are the Underpants Gnome Party.

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Farage has openly stated that he wants to replace EU immigrates with Commonwealth immigrants. ie…. he want to replace Poles with Pakis and Jamaicans. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630847/More-black-people-allowed-Britain-leave-EU-immigration-non-issue-says-Nigel-Farage.html What is the point of winning the Brexit fight if this will be the result? The left does not win every small fight. What they actually do is keep the desired end result in mind and look for any path that will move them towards that result. My desired end result is a space where white people are allowed to freely associate and organize. I fail to see how Britain leaving the EU and filling… Read more »

Johnny55
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When I first realized Trump was the real deal was during the “somebody’s doing the raping” interview with Don Lemon. Stupid rape comments sunk Aiken, Sargon and UKIP!!, etc., etc. But in that interview, rather than act like your stupid average GOP, Trump said rape like 165 times and came out of it looking like he cared about women and was worried about it (citing leftist sources – NOTE, HUGE THING NEVER USED BY US – aka HuffPo and Fusion) and his interviewer sounded like a functional retard. At that point, I said, holy shit, this guy could actually beat… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Yes. The moment Sargon ran, I knew UKIP would be better for Sargon than Sargon would be for UKIP. He tried to take Gamergate methods into normiespace and got a much needed reality check.

Mister Metokur is a mean little SOB, but his roast of Sargon is right on target.

Johnny55
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You are 1000% correct. I follow Metokur especially, but a lot of these youtuber spergs because it’s pretty funny. But I thought to myself, my God man, with all this shit on record, I mean these are audio files they can play on repeat, etc., etc., how in the world is he going to play to a normie audience. And you got your answer Sunday…

Balliol
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Balliol

Carl Benjamin is smart enough to know exactly what he did. I can only conclude he did it deliberately and moreover it was choreographed by MI6. Nationalism is at root about keeping foreign men out of your female population’s pussy. Benjamin deliberately conflated ukip with the attitude of rapist Muslim gangsters. He should have pivoted to Rotherham any time a journalist mentioned rape.

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Getting a real Brexit, rather than a BINO, is a pretty big deal. It shows that the Anglo-American Deep State can be beaten. The UK voted for Brexit, but the Deep State and their bidders dug in, and prevented it from happening. The UK voters actually seem intent on reminding the Deep State that they actually have a say in policy. Regarding immigration, if Brexit happens, it is a lot easier for voters to affect change the more decentralized decision making is. Brexit is a big win for those of us who despise the incompetent Western ruling class.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

THIS. Farage is a genius to start up the Brexit party. Brexit is a red herring. The real issue here, which Zman has noted in the past, is whether the UK is a democracy or not. That is the real question Farage is putting to the test. Does voting count or can the oligarchs, deep state, “them”, whatever you want to call them, rule the day? Was Mark Twain right? And if so, what comes next??

Balliol
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Balliol

The real issue is what sort of society we have and who gets to make the rules.

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Felix_Krull

The UK voters actually seem intent on reminding the Deep State that they actually have a say in policy.

This percentage does not translate into parliamentary seats, not even close. When UKIP was peaking under Farage, they managed to secure zero seats in Westminster.

See that’s the beauty of the Brexit Party (and of the old UKIP): since they’re a single-issue party, they haven’t got an actual political platform. This leaves the globalists free to run Westminster without prole interference.

Balliol
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Balliol

If Brexit got 10% of a GE vote they’d decimate the Tory party and hand Labour the win.

Johnny55
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Johnny55

Final post. But after 2012, if I told you that the next GOP candidate for POTUS would publicly and unabashedly state he wants to: 1) ban all Muslims; 2) build a wall with Mexico and create a deportation force; and 3) torture terrorists, and this man would then BE ELECTED as President, you would think I was insane. Let us reflect on where we are now and thank God we are alive in these times. As my donation to this board, go find Jon Stewart’s Comedy Central bit, “Blowjob Rollercoaster”, it’s about 8 minutes and it will make your day.… Read more »

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I call them “lottery libertarians”. They only want to win the jackpot and if they can’t (or if it takes work or process or small victories) they won’t bother doing more than writing whiny essays on while reality is unfair. Tom Woods recently tried to address “Why is there no Libertarian Country” – ignoring the talking points, basically he asked if a Communist/Socialist or Cronyist countery is BETTER. Here was the definition shift. He wants a Utopia that cannot exist (part of his list of bad stuff was police were corrupt, e.g. on the drug war – but if you… Read more »

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

Farage understands that politics is about power. The right needs to understand this..the important thing is gaining power. Everything else is details. Once you have power, you can implement your agenda and then justify it however you like. But getting power is what is important. The right needs to be shameless. Say whatever you need, do whatever you need, make whatever alliances you need..but get into power.

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As Yogi Berra said: “In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are totally different…”

3g4me
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3g4me

Zman, I’m definitely more of the type to just cut the damned Gordian knot, but as usual you make excellent points and good sense. How do you respond, however, to the argument that we just don’t have the time for the gradual march through the institutions that the Left used to gnaw away at and ultimately sever the support cables for White civil society (nuclear family, Christian morality, rule of law, etc.)? When one considers the pace of social and political and particularly demographic degradation over the past decade, I do not believe it is a chicken little statement to… Read more »

Outis
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Outis

Lots of great discussions today !!!!

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Pimpkin\'s nephew

So true. So many perceptive and knowledgeable people. Just another day at the Z blog.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Z has the best comment section on the interwebs.

screwball
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screwball

Farage is useful at present, but history has shown him to be more than happy to throw nationalist parties under the bus if it helps his career.

That would be unnecessary if he himself were a genuine nationalist; the BNP under Nick Griffin–which Farage joined in the attack on–had more momentum and a far higher ceiling than UKIP or its successor ever did.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

At least he’s useful.

Ian Smith
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Ian Smith

Farage isn’t a British Orban, but he’s about as good as you can ask on immigration. He’s well aware of the Islam issue and I do think he hides a bit of his power level. And the Guardian crowd haaaates him, so he can’t be all bad.

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Felix_Krull

Farage is atrocious on immigration and an appeaser of Islam.

Rcocean
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Rcocean

The left got where they are, by taking it one issue at a time. They got Gay marriage, by first attacking “homophobia” then touting tolerance, then pushing civil unions, and then going for Gay marriage. One step at a time. Some people on the Right can’t get that. The most important thing for the UK is to leave the EU and regain its sovereignty. Without that, nothing is possible. Of course, the Right has always been known for its political idiocy.

Balliol
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Balliol

Left and right are an illusion. Democracy is a society run by The Saturday people. Just run your analysis with that thought in your mind
AND inexplicable events suddenly become clear.

Infiltrate both sides of the spectrum and define the acceptable parameters of thought. You can’t lose then.

Rcocean
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Rcocean

Just reading the comments, shows why the right fails. The issue is Brexit, and how to get England back to self-rule, as opposed to being ruled by the EU. But conservatives in the comments are bored by that, and immediately start putting on powdered wigs and blathering about “isms” or arguing about “what are we going to do when we get power?” when the Right has no power. It amazing how the Left eats, drinks, and sleeps politics – but you can’t get conservatives to focus on the real world and think about real politics for 2 seconds, before they’re… Read more »

AR goer
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AR goer

I hate when Jesus explains the parables!