The Incoherent Right

In a democracy, all political debate is a debate over morality, as what holds democracy together is a civic religion. The people agree to a set of political arrangements because they agree those are the right way to organize society. That’s right as in morally correct, not empirically correct. Democracy has been sold as the best form of government, because it achieves the most happiness and opportunity for the most amount of people. That’s a moral argument, not an empirical one.

This is why the ruling class is endlessly talking about what is good for democracy or what is a threat to democracy. This is all code for morality. When they use the word democracy, they don’t mean the mechanics of selecting people for public office. They mean the expression of the general will, that magical force upon which modern liberal democracy is built. The general will is the expression of the general morality of the people, the framework that defines society and the lives of the citizens.

It’s why rational arguments rarely carry the day in democracy. Debate in democratic systems is about what is the right thing to do in terms of morality, rather than what is best for some practical reason. Even economics, which should focus on base concerns like making money and overall prosperity, ends up sounding like a mystery cult, where adherents worship the economy. The so-called conservatives are willing to excuse the most monstrous things, if it is good for the economy.

The moral marketplace is the only marketplace that matters in a modern liberal democracy. Even someone like Ocasio-Cortez understands this fact. She famously said in response to criticism of her many factual errors, “If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”

It should be noted that the conservatives love mocking Cortez for this statement, but it is self-mockery. Unlike them, she actually understands the nature of political debate in a modern liberal democracy. Facts and reason are not all that important. If they were, the Athenians would never have agreed to attack Sicily. What matters is moral persuasion and emotional resonance. Politics in a liberal democracy is theater, not science. The fact that conservatives don’t get that helps explain their demise.

This truth about liberal democracy is why Buckley-style conservatism has been a failure since the end of the Cold War. In the one area it held the moral high ground against radicalism, the fight over communism, it was able to carry the day. The conservatives could control the moral framing with regards to the Soviets. America abandoned all of its republican ideals, becoming a global empire, in order to defeat global communism. That shows the power of morality in a liberal democracy.

In all other areas, however, the so-called conservatives were happy to give way to the radicals, allowing them to define the moral framework. This is why the Official Right has been such a failure since the 1990’s. The Left controls morality, so the Right must always find some way to fit into that morality. That either means abandoning the field by joining the libertarians on the sidelines or embracing yesterday’s radicalism as today’s timeless conservative principle. The Right is the toady of the Left.

It’s also why Buckley conservatism is in a crisis. You can see it in this Kevin Williamson piece on who are the real racists. Like David French, Williamson is one of the clown princes of modern conservatism, regularly declaring nutty things on-line to the amusement of dissidents. In this case, he is doing the old DR3 gag, claiming that those segregationist politicians from the last century were not real conservatives. After all, everyone knows that they were Democrats! That means they could not be conservatives.

Like all of today’s conservatives, Williamson believes anti-racism is the highest conservative virtue. In fact, what’s left of the Buckley crowd has embraced the egalitarianism of the Left to the point where they are to the left of the Progressive on the race issue. The modern conservative cannot hold a single position until they find a black guy to endorse it. They seem to have decided that the movie The Legend of Bagger Vance is a documentary on the lost writings of Edmund Burke.

The point of that Williamson article is not to make some factual or even moral argument against the Left. It is all about displaying the anti-racist plumage of the writer. It’s the same game you see with left-wing comedy shows. The performer shows off his moral superiority and the audience is flattered, so they cheer. It’s moral peacocking. The difference between conservatives and a peacock is that when a peacock displays his plumage, it is sign of courage. When conservatives do it, it is a sign of obedience.

This is why Buckley Conservatism is in a crisis, headed for the dustbin of history. In order to be in opposition to the ruling orthodoxy, you have to be at odds with at least some of its moral foundation. That means having an independent base of morality. In America, the Right used to rely on Christianity, tradition and America’s frontier culture, but those were abandoned as the Left anathematized each one in turn. That leaves the Right arguing from the same moral basis as the Left, which is why they are nothing but an echo now.

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Exile
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The conflation of logical/scientific-level-objective “rightness” with morality was the most apparent flaw I found with Objectivism and its libertarian fellow-travelling ideologies. Ms. Rosenbaum always resorted to (((witchery))) when trying to address the issue of “errors of knowledge vs. errors of morality.” Williamson, Ben Shapiro and most of the Neo-Con Clown Car have adopted a cheap knock-off version of Rand’s myopic conflation of objective facts with context-based value judgments and mere subjective preferences. The inability to cope with ambiguity and uncertainty is a common flaw of the immature, adolescent mindset shared by rabid partisans of the Science! Left and Libertarian Right.… Read more »

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

In my 20’s (Ronaldus was pres.) my bro-in-law introduced me to Ayn Rand. I knew the world was effed up and had rejected original sin (I didn’t understand it) and I was lost. Rand saved me. I eventually grew out of it about 20 years ago, (as a religion, anyway), and in the past 2 years it seems I am starting over. I’m not that smart, so I have to chew on something until I can make a declarative sentence containing the whole thought, or as much as possible. What I have so far is that our moral superiors rape… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

I used to be a Randroid too. What snapped me out of it was a trio of realizations. 1. The only “natural right-libertarians” are white men with an IQ above average. 2. The big corporations that started off as small free market companies now have merged with government. Also, the idea of transnational entities with profit as their only goal is poisonous to the health of a nation. 3. They think that if the economy is right, they will have paradise here. This is the same premise as Marxism except it is held by antisocial individualists instead of mediocre collectivists.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Very well said.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Malicious Moniker said: “Imitation, and then story, are the ways best suited to our brains, which are designed to DO what comes NEXT. From what I understand, all of the real religions (not ones written by expedient 7th century warlords) are about telling stories through metaphor that show us how to survive.” Don’t forget music. Music has been with us scenes day one. Music well take you places words can never reach. Plus it can help you remember deeper and faster. Madison Avenue weaponized that gift long ago.

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I see you’ve discovered Peterson, welcome to the real world

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Our future looks like we will be living in a majority minority people’s paradise.

Hoagie
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Hoagie

Run by a Mullah, policed by ISIS and administered by ten million little Dyslexia Occasional-Cotex’s.

Exile
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Exile

As Steyn quipped in one of the “After’s,” if the mullahs take over, I’ll just grow my beard out and get a few extra wives – at least they’re conservative. Globohomo will start having a very bad day. Sarcasm aside, Beard World would be superior to Tranny Pedo Clown World. Watching Ben Shapiro try to defend his freedom of war-speech against a mob much more muscular than the Trigglypuffs he LARPS on would be a bonus feature.

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The problem here is that you probably will not get to choose your wives. They will be chosen for you. Pot luck.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Given we are the most heavily armed civilian population in world history but are somehow so atomized and individualistic and *spit* libertarian we can’t even conceptualize a joint effort to take and use power for good ends, we deserve what we get Join or die Clown World for all its numerous flaws understands power, wants power and wants to use it for what it conceives are and sometimes actually are, good ends They simply went bonkers with their own success which frankly was a tragedy Now the Right establishment and dissident want to retreat to a dead past or just… Read more »

Da Booby
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“In America, the Right used to rely on Christianity, tradition and America’s frontier culture, but those were abandoned as the Left anathematized each one in turn.” Yes, and again, yes. The “Right” has no coherent ideology. Even as some traditionalists on the right tries to invoke Christianity as their moral guidepost they ignore that most modern white, middle-class Christian women (the ones politicians care about) are Christians only when it’s convenient. They’re fully on board with all the leftist catchphrases and fashionable causes as they flip back and forth from Oprah to The View. Sit in a modern office environment… Read more »

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

Protestantism is the beliefvthst you can go back to the bible and find all you need in religion. It’s a common thing in religions. Unfortunately, that belief in the bible became belief in a personal jesus. Which becomes the Christians-who-dont-go-to-church phenomenon. Which means that they take their personal feelings and make it their own version of Christianity. Even pastors are not immune to this.

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Most ostensibly Christian men are in abject terror of their wives and most pastors are likewise in fear of the women in the pews. They know who writes they checks they depend on and so they tiptoe around so as not to make the church ladies mad. There is a reason Paul was so adamant about gender roles in the church and the home.

Da Booby
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Yes, and that’s how the early Christians Christianized Rome so rapidly and effectively, and it’s how the modern left has progressivized (the Booby still says it’s a word) the modern West. So long as the fashionistas of Hollywood and academia (the new church) are on board there’s no stopping it, unless the men collectively put their feet down. Take a hard look at the Christian “men” of today, trembling in their pews, next to their power-drunk wives. Think they’re gonna put their feet down? Screw ’em. They’re reason the left won, not our salvation. Why any man would remain a… Read more »

Hun
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Hun

“Why any man would remain a Catholic”

Because leaving would mean helping the enemy. There is still significant opposition within the Church against the liberal wing represented by the Pope. The fight is not yet over.

dad29
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Thx, Hun. Aside from that, Catholicism is STILL true and STILL is the basis for Western civilization–until it began to collapse around 1900 or so with the Russki and Austro-Hungarian Revolutions.

c matt
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c matt

That’s the bottom line. Either it is true or it isn’t. You stay because it’s true, and if you’re wrong about that, you live with it. You leave/don’t join because it’s false, and if you’re wrong about that, you live/die with the consequences as well. In the end, its truth or falsity does not rest upon you’re joining or not. Nor does it rest upon some loon who gets thrust on the Chair of Peter.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

That is why I am strongly considering a switch to the Orthodox Church. Leadership is not nearly as cucked and the theology is substantially similar. As a bonus, there is a strong element of ethnic nationalism within Orthodoxy.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Orthodox Churches are broken down by national lines and you might feel like an outsider if you are not a member of their nationality. The Antiochan Orthodox Church has gathered many converts, even though they are based among Levantines.

Badthinker
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I have been to several Orthodox liturgies and recommend it, in general. It would probably be good to talk with the priest and visit as you will likely have no idea what is going on for awhile. There is a strain of mysticism that I don’t like in some parishes as well as a focus on monasticism, but in general I like it. The midnight Pascha service is over 3 hours long. Don’t make my mistake and make it the 2nd service you ever attend.

William Williams
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>>>As a bonus, there is a strong element of ethnic nationalism within Orthodoxy.

And that is a major plus.

I would have great hesitancy about making a significant bequest to either a Catholic or Protestant church, as you have next to no idea exactly how such funds would be used (e.g. to import Somalis to your hometown).

With the Orthodox, there’s a bit less befuddlement.

Bob
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Bob

Not to pile on the much maligned white male, but most men quite willingly abdicated their spiritual leadership role. It was mom who agitated for family church attendance and religious formation of the young, even in the halcyon days of the 50’s and early 60’s (in most cases and from my observation). The last thing an overworked man wanted to do on Sundays was to get up early, put on a coat and tie again and haul his family to church. Can’t a guy ever relax?

Severian
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The halcyon days of the 1850s and 1860s, you mean. American men have been complaining about the pussification of Christianity ever since Cotton Mather shuffled off this mortal coil. In the long view, the judges at Salem were totally right — hang a few “witches” every now and again pour encourager les autres.

Da Booby
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Hmm, hmm. It wasn’t Christian men who pushed for alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, it was their Christian wives.

Bob
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Bob

Maybe men didn’t push for prohibition, but they certainly passed it. The 18th Amendment passed before the 19th. Funny, after the 19th Amendment came the 21st. I think you got it bass-ackwards. People are always going on about the WCTU and Carrie Nation and never mention the Anti-Saloon League or the Prohibition Party. “From the formation of the Ohio League in 1893, this dedicated group of men wielded increasing political power until the culmination of their efforts resulted in the 18th amendment to the constitution becoming law in January 1920.” Who had the real power in 1919? Leaders of the… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

They should have hung the hysterics instead, Severian. Men and dogs were victims, too.
https://www.history.com/news/women-werent-only-victims-of-salem-witch-trials

dad29
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. It was mom who agitated for family church attendance and religious formation of the young

That’s a cartoon, friend. Ever notice that that “fact” was spread by Hollywood comedies and New York fiction writers?

In MY home, and those of my friends, Dad went to church, happily. And in my parish, there were 2 dozen men who showed up every day for a 6 AM Mass, too.

Bob
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Bob

Dad29, of course, some men happily attended church and saw to it that the whole family did as well. I knew two such men in recent years, although one was of another generation. And I know many more who did/do not make church attendance a priority. Simply an observation from lived experience. Statistics seem to back up this observation. You were fortunate to grow up in a home and community of godly, committed men. The feminization of the church is a vicious circle. As male attendance declines, even fewer males want to attend.
https://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/22/the-gender-gap-in-religion-around-the-world/
https://blog.capterra.com/where-are-all-the-men-exploring-the-gender-gap-in-church/

Bob
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Bob

“Most ostensibly Christian men are in abject terror of their wives… ”
Abject terror, lol. Where’s your evidence? If that were the case, the men would be in church.

Outdoorspro
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Outdoorspro

it used to be that you grew up in the family/community church and that is where you learned your morals and relationship with God. Your family was Catholic, so you grew up Catholic. Your family was Lutheran, so you grew up Lutheran and so on… Now, you figure out what YOU believe, then shop around for a church that best fits those beliefs and call it home…as long as the music is good, the espresso bar serves good coffee and you aren’t bored. Your church is now a reflection and statement about YOUR personal beliefs. I recently got to experience… Read more »

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You can still find those “ole’ time religion” congregations. But they don’t advertise the fact that blacks, gays, and feminists are not wanted. You have to find them by actually attending those churches and getting to know them. It’s a relationship of mutual trust. Once they know you, they will open up. I don’t know how many are out there, but I suspect they’re mainly in the west and south.

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Last church attendance was a Weslyan church down the mountain. Preacher was a Vietnam vet and a general contractor and actually built the church. Everyone else were tradesmen and vets so it was a good fit. Most anything else church involved was protesting fags and abortion and visiting prisons. And fixing old churchs on the reservations. Have not attended since the old guy retired. Down in the canyon they are holding church in the old feed store and it looks like everyone is bringing horse trailers and picnic lunchs and rifles. Might have to start getting up early on Sundays… Read more »

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And does your pastor repent in his part of the murderous slaughter of 3 million Innocent Vietnamese at the behest of LBJ?

The question to be determined of such people is: Are they evil beyond redemption, or stupid beyond belief?

Gravity Denier
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“Now, you figure out what YOU believe, then shop around for a church that best fits those beliefs and call it home … Your church is now a reflection and statement about YOUR personal beliefs.” It’s not clear what you are arguing for. Should a person have to stay faithful to a church that doesn’t more or less reflect his own beliefs? Many of Zman’s followers arrived here by “shopping around” to find a political philosophy that seems right to them, instead of sticking with the system they were raised to accept. Is it wrong to do the same in… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

You would think that person X holds belief Y because X believes Y to be true/reflect reality. You state as much by “seems right to them.” Thus, in theory, unless you are a crass opportunist, you search for a religion, philosophy, or whatever that is true. In other words, something that conforms to / reflects reality. Of course, each of us has varying ability to perceive and understand reality. Also, there are other factors constantly clouding our judgment of reality (social acceptance, that hot chick over there, etc.). So, YMMV.

Outdoorspro
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Outdoorspro

When anyone can look around until they find a church that matches their own personal set of beliefs and standards, instead of doing the hard work of matching your life to conform to traditions, customs and ethics that are passed down, then that religion is no different than any other feel-good new-age “spirituality”.

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Christianity’s problems go back further than American progressives of the 1960s and their deliberate subversion of the institution. In a church council convened at Valladolid in 1550 to settle Spanish moral grounds for their colonies and, in particular, the legal status of the natives, Fray Bartolome de Las Casas (Spanish planter and Dominican friar) argued not only that the natives possessed every characteristic that Aristotle defined as the basis of the good life, but that their actions (including human sacrifice and cannibalism) were rational in their own cultural context. Yes, folks – cultural relativism’s birth, so far as I am… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

“…talk to any Christian today and you will be told, as my friend claimed to me, that slavery is and was the most heinous of sins and Jesus was absolutely opposed to it.” Any Catholic who has studied his catechism would tell you that the worst sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is described as the “unforgivable” or “unpardonable” sin. Per Pope John Paul II, “According to such an exegesis, ‘blasphemy’ does not properly consist in offending against the Holy Spirit in words; it consists rather in the refusal to accept the salvation which God offers to man… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

(“…in 1550 to settle Spanish moral grounds for their colonies and, in particular, the legal status of the natives”

Slipping in a big thank you here to whoever linked “The Memoirs of Bernal Diaz”, a conquistador eyewitness to Cortes’ conquest of Mexico. This is bloody excellent.)

Not Important
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Not Important

Antiochian Orthodox churches are largely Arab Christian and VERY right wing. It can be a little difficult for whitey to break in but in my experience once they know you’re serious it’s not an issue. You’ll probably find they’re one of the few orthodox churches who are quickly filling with converts.

It’s nice to see women with long hair wearing long dresses who actually act like women and have lots of kids.

Dutch
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Dutch

“Politics in a liberal democracy is theater, not science”. Trump gets that, and many on the right can’t comprehend it, or him.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Politics is Theater! Last evening Tucker had a piece on the 8 million strong website Ravelry for knitters going all POZd and screeching Trump is a racist. Yours truly has a login to Ravelry because I knit and get patterns from their website. Ravelry is also for women infected with the deep herd instinct to band together in large website groups and natter about empy-headed terminal chick hobbies and herd bond. I must be minus half an “X” chromosome as I only get a pattern and get off the website. Not big on herding. Ravelry has gone full on John… Read more »

Matrix
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At least you can use your knitting needles as weapons!

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Two needles with one blow!

Dutch
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Dutch

A lot of the old car sites simply ban politics all together. That actually makes sense, as the hobby can be a sanctuary from all the crazy. But to take sides and name call is simply stupid. Looking forward to the “get woke, go broke” to find Revelry.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

That’s funny , because I’ve never gotten a leftie vibe off any of the automotive, truck , tractor, or motorcycle sites I have visited. Visit the off topic section and read between the lines on comments people make and it’s pretty easy to get the temperature of which way most forum members lean. And it’s usually right or in the middle at worst. Becoming a car nut when I was a kid is definitely one of the things that steered me in the direction of right wing politics. It was pretty easy to figure out who it was that was… Read more »

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“One of the most egregiously stupid efforts I remember was the push to put airbags on motorcycles sometime back in the 90’s. It was led (of course) – by yet another group of women mad about something.”

I remember it well MABD

Mothers Against Brain Donors.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

In November 2016 just after Trump got elected, Penzy spice and seasonings out of Minnesota sent all of us with a login an email stating if we voted for Trump, we could F*** ourselves in the middle of the freeway, go away and never darken their doorstep again. I was shocked, shocked I tell you (Claude Rains), stopped buying their wonderful products and took my name off their subscription list. The common denominator between Penzys and Ravelry is Lefty “abolitionist” hysterical women. You don’t have Lefty hysterical religion of tolerance women on car websites. Of course you’ve never seen this… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

At the risk of being accused of petting the unicorn, I will say the following. Ethnic nationalism should direct the anti-woman anger to the feminists who deserve it. If we want our country to survive past a generation, we need white women just as much as they need us. Both white men and white women have problems. Now just like with the cycle of abuse, we can either choose to perpetuate those problems or we can fix them, even if those problems were not our fault. We have daughters, nieces, sisters, and female cousins too. I have a younger sister… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

I also noticed the growing misogyny in the the Dissident Right, including this blog. If women are too associated with the Left, we may be reduced to the level of second-class citizens in a non-Lefty America – not the1950s-style America that I would be happy with, but losing the right to vote, even outright White Sharia.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Okay, unicorn petting time is over. In any future Dissident Right state, universal suffrage is not going to exist. Most men and the vast majority of women have no business voting. Voting rights should be held by stakeholders who are net-taxpayers, not convicted felons, not 1st generation immigrants, and not the children of 1st generation immigrants. No dual citizens or owners of foreign property either. The aforementioned stakeholders would consist of the following. 1. Honorably discharged combat veterans. 2. Owners of domestic property valued above a certain amount to be determined later. 3. Married, heterosexual couples with 3 or more… Read more »

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Range Front Fault

Jeez….am going to tear up my chick card with this opinion. It’s really nice to be an older gal. Have commented before that after 50, our estrogen and hormones calm down, for some of us, and can chug along in a rather steady manner, with an occasional bout of turbulence on the starboard side. Think I remember from Lakota friends that either their tribe and/or other plains tribes in the wayback time allowed women into tribal positions of power after they stopped their moontime/ramped past menopause. Could be a horsecrap myth. Yet an idea to think about. There really are… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Last Stand, agree with the concept of earned suffrage, but the qualifications need to be thought out in more detail. Combat veterans? What’s that mean if there is no war? Heck, I remember guys getting flights that simply skimmed Vietnam air space to collect combat pay. They were no more combat vet’s than I.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Admittedly we do need to tighten up definitions. Bottom line is, if you are not in combat arms, getting shot at and returning fire, you would not qualify. If there is no war, that just means we have fewer voters, not the worst thing in the world.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Ever flown a helicopter through a hostile fire zone …..

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Point taken, that “and” should have been an “or”.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

If you’re imagining the future Dissident Right state as just being a different version of a warfare-welfare state – what you’re imagining is going to be a failure. Any state for white men must eschew welfare. There is no long term survival scenario that involves mass welfare administered BY THE STATE – that is a recipe for success. Free shit attracts freeloaders and encourages sloth. Once a critical mass is reached – that free shit becomes an army with their own political representation – and then it’s absolutely impossible to get rid of the welfare addled underclass until the entire… Read more »

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Looking at voting patterns the only people a laissez faire system appeals to are Randroids and other lolberts.

Just about everyone else prefers a managed enconomy and some welfare. I would rather have a lower standard of living, pay higher prices, and higher taxes to take care of my people. Nothing should be free but laissez faire is not the only solution.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Just my perspective as a man – but from what I’ve been seeing over maybe the last 3-4 years is that there is most definitely growing anger, and also just a lot of “I’m really sick to death of this shit” on the male side of the aisle in regards to the hysterics of women in general. You can see it on Youtube with the profusion of MGTOW commenters and channels. You could see it on Heartiste’s site – especially in the comment section. Being a guy who has put out the ” women should lose the vote ” idea… Read more »

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Not sure this artificial womb thing addresses the real problem. Have an infant in the house — first one. Demands 100% of some human’s attention, 24/7. And experience now demonstrating that a woman’s (mother’s) unceasing, obsessive and controlling attention to that infant is a necessary component of human reproduction and survival. I’m an older guy and have seen alot …. we males just don’t have the operating system demanded by this one task. And it’s that very female capacity, in beings shorn of this primary role, that makes them so problematic in modern society.

Badthinker
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Badthinker

Most modern women fail at that task too. There was a reason that women worked together to raise children. Extended families mattered a lot. Not many women are capable of handling kids “on their own”.

Carrie
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RFF-
You are not alone! There are women out there who want nothing to do with pathological screeching harpies of the Left variety.

And thank you for sharing the wonderful “I quit you” text regarding your knitting Feminazeee group.
Great language that I may need use in future, too.

Unicorns Unite!

Exile
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Exile

Trump’s kabuki theater is so convincing that he will fool most of his base into staying home in 2020. Bravo.

Compsci
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Compsci

Well, his “base” seems to be showing up in droves whenever he appears in public forum. If certain folk don’t show up to vote in 2020, they’ll not be from his base, but rather of those who were disillusioned enough to take a chance in 2016 to vote for a dark horse, non-politician. If Trump can make the case as Reagan did with a “are you better off than four years ago”, “morning in America” in his campaign for re-election he has a chance, especially if the Dem’s field a radical anti-White ideologue—which seems to be just about all they… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Anti-racism is the new religion. The Williamson piece is one of many examples lately about historical figures discovered to be racist. We’ve already seen confederate statues toppled and schools renamed and chatter about Harriet Tubman replacing that racist Andrew Jackson on the 20 dollar bill. Minneapolis even renamed Lake Calhoun to an unpronounceable American Indian name. Georgia governor candidate Stacey Abrams has called for the removal of confederates from Stone Mountain. Someday, sooner than we think, they’re going to take dynamite to Mt. Rushmore.

Dutch
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Dutch

It’s really about simply tearing down all the things. The rationalizations for it all are just protective cover.

Penitent Man
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I like that Dutch, the new rallying cry of the Prog Hive, “Tear down all the things because reasons!”

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Not all the things. They’ll never tear down MLK stuff even though he deserves it more than anyone. Communist, plagiarist, all-around bad guy.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Rapist, too.

Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax is seriously considering running for Governor of Virginia despise the rape allegations. He is absolved because he is (1) a Democrat and (2) Black.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Given the staggeringly high rate of black men raping white women, we should be able to drive a wedge between white women and the American Left.

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Ostei Kozelskii

The first step is for white men to raise the uncomfortable fact of this phenomenon with white women. The initial response from most of those women will be, “But that’s racist!” There’s a war on noticing, if you hadn’t noticed…

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Dual pronged solution to that problem. First stop white-knighting for women who do not deserve it. Second, remember being woke is fun until it affects you personally. Whenever a white woman accuses a non-white man of rape, start talking about the KKk, lynch mobs, and vicious​ stereotyping of colored men in front of liberal white women​. Make them eat their own words

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Excellent idea. Throw their “ideals” into their faces.

I once remarked to a Jewish friend that one of the reasons why Jews are liberals is because Jews tend to be affluent, so they can escape the consequences of their purposed idealism. She agreed with me. Easy to care about the poor and oppressed when they live far away.

I have zero sympathy for Social Justice Warriorettes and wish they suffer at the hands of their pets the same fate as German women at the end of WWII.

c matt
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c matt

You would think, but NWL won’t believe it unless personally experienced.

Elle
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Elle

You must think NWL are real dimwits who have never read a newspaper, watched television, surfed the web, seen crime stats or otherwise managed to have any exposure to current events. Maybe things are different now, but back in the day women had a sense of danger and risk honed to a state of near paranoia and a healthy scepticism of not just black men, but men in general. The mad rapist was the bogeyman of traveling at night or locking up the place for bedtime. Situational awareness was second nature. So don’t imagine that NWL are so naive as… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

I get that NANWLALT. But you would be surprised how many are. It is not that they don’t see it, but that they suffer from It Won’t Happen To Me syndrome. Probably brought on by “experiencing” only the talented tenth.

One of us is underestimating based on our own experiences/circle of acquaintances.

Dutch
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Dutch

They’ll get around to MLK. He was hetero and non trans-aware, for two things. But those are all excuses. The tearing down of all things is about the act of tearing them down, not what they represent. They aren’t putting up any statues or monuments to anything. This all is simply a series of tantrums, like children destroying their rooms when they get put in time out.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

No. No, you are mistaken. It is FAR more serious than you seem to grasp.

Dutch
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Dutch

The people pulling the strings are very dangerous, smart, and serious. The people out front, that we see, are the stupid dupes falling for it all. The ones we run into are those stupid ones, and it is important to know what they are up to, and why. They are simply acting out. But there is a bigger and more dangerous game afoot. So I think I am agreeing with you, MRV, even though you disagree with me.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

The stupid dupes are being programmed-conditioned to be violent against us. They HATE US. Hammer and tongs white fire hate.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

The gods of the old religion become the demons of the new.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Exactly. It’s the old Bolshevik ideal. It was best stated by that old charlatan Leo Tolstoy: “Destroy everything.”

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Ostei Kozelskii

So-called “anti-racism” is actually anti-white racism.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Whites are condemned for owning slaves yet were the first to outlaw it. Slavery was legal in Saudi Arabia until 1962. The slave trade was outlawed in Libya in 1853, but persisted until Moammar Ghaddafi’s time and has reappeared with the overthrow of his government.

No good deed goes unpunished.
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Dutch
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Dutch

Again, the condemnation and tearing down is not because of the reasons, the reasons are rationalizations, to the rest of us, for why they are entitled, and expect affirmation, for the condemnation and tearing down. The acts stand alone as simple childish acting out. They can’t defend that, so they go into the progressive toolbox to come up with “muh reasons”. Once you see it for what it is, it is impossible to ignore. Much of the gay and especially the trans thing is the same crap going on. Dressing up as a form of childish acting out. That’s why… Read more »

Steve
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Steve

In my view, the downfall of the Buckley conservatives was the adoption of the neo-liberal/libertarian emphasis on individual freedom. The right libertarians of the Fusionist coalition were focused on political and economic freedom, e.g., deregulation and limited government. They either assumed that a traditional cultural and moral framework was a given, or they didn’t care. The left libertarians, on the other hand, didn’t give a damn about political and economic freedom. In fact they were fine leaving that battlefield to the progressives. What the left libertarians wanted was to replace the social and cultural norms of the society with their… Read more »

Vegetius
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>adoption of the neo-liberal/libertarian emphasis on individual freedom.

There are some on the Old/Hard/Real Left who make this same argument regarding what happened to their team, too. That is not say there is common ground here, but it is something to think about.

Calsdad
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Excellent comment. What you’re detailing is what I’ve pointed out here before in response to the incessant whining about “libertarians”. To me being a libertarian was more about the political and economic freedom you highlighted. As you said: culture and morals were to be outside the realm of politics and government and that was a given. I honestly never took much notice of the leftie libertarians until maybe 10 years ago – when more and more I’d see their strident whining on many forums I frequent. Seemed to coincide with Obama coming on the scene. Taking their comments at face… Read more »

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I don’t think it’s fair to blame the social conservatives for losing the battle against the left. They were systematically thrown under the bus by the “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” wing of Conservatism, Inc. for years. Every election cycle was filled with seething resentment of those damned irrational social conservatives gumming the game for the oh-so-clear-eyed rationalists at the top, who could easily win if we didn’t always scare off the voters with Tourettes-like eruptions about abortion. We were supposed to fade away, like religion and God, and the impatience of the ledger-worshippers at our impudence in persisting was almost… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

I wonder how different America would be right now if Goldwater had won…

Steve
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Steve

Definitely not blaming them, rather, pointing out that they were abandoned by the rest of the so-called right. They were seduced each election cycle to vote for Conservative, Inc., but what they always get was capital gains tax cuts, and now war in the middle east for…

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I think the fundamentalist Christian movement for Israel can partially be ascribed to not being able to argue for anything other than Israel, anti-abortion, and anti-racism. They lost everywhere else. Conservatives, mainly neocons, were willing to throw them under the bus every at opportunity.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

The neocons haven’t been throwing themselves under the bus, they’ve been throwing the rest of us under the bus as sacrifices to the survival and expansion of greater Israel.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

The governor who signed the strict anti-abortion bill in Alabama was a childless twice-divorced woman. Would a twice-divorced man be elected governor of Alabam 50 years ago? They obsess over Israel and abortion because they lost every other battle, most recently gay marriage. It’s their line in the sand.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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It is also–quite simply–the result of false teaching in their churches. False teaching that was manufactured in the 19th century in the hope of producing exactly the fruit it is producing today. Chuck Baldwin has come out of that now, and has several very good lessons on “Christian” Zionism. You can find them on You Tube.

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Thanks, MRV! He’s great, even calling out that snake, Ben Shapiro. Interviewer: You said that there is some kind of “blasphemy of Jewish Zionist…the foundation of the faith and fellowship of Christian Zionists is NOT Jesus Christ, but Israel.” What did you mean by that? Chuck Baldwin: The vast majority of evangelical Christians in America subscribe to a fallacious Israel-based eschatology. As a result, evangelicals labor under the delusion that the modern State of Israel born in 1948 is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy and the Abrahamic Covenant. This means that evangelicals believe that by “blessing” Zionist Israel, they are… Read more »

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Screwtape

Once Christianity fell to the Prog death cult there was nothing to hold moral relativism, the cult of the Individual, and the rest of the fetishes and false idols like the Economy at bay; those things became “who we are.” The high priest BHO ordained this officially when he gave his “…cling to their guns and their bibles…” speech. A seemingly offhand remark but in this quip he openly revealed the disdain the left holds for the very foundation of our nation. Our history of taming a continent under fear of – and faith in God, has been erased from… Read more »

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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It is all coming to an end. Democracy will devolve into some kind of monarchy. Dictatorship. A Directorate. Or something along those lines. All of us will live to see it. It’s not more than 15 years away.

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

According to Plato in The Republic, democracy inevitably degenerates into the worse government and society of all – a Tyranny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes

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Pedantry here, The US is not and has never been a Democracy. It was conceived as a Republic with a limited franchise . However making the US into a direct tyranny won’t be as easy as people think. It will require cooperation from the people This is why we have the sham elections we, direct rule would trigger even some on the mainstream Right to actually use those guns they’ve been hoarding However the grim irony is an Right Wing Populist dictatorship would be the best thing for the countries long term prospects . It won’t be possible to make… Read more »

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A.B., does the Right need to make an authoritarian dictatorship for us to get one? Seems to me, that the Castro/Mao model of authoritarian dictatorship through revolution and organizing groups within the population taking up arms and fighting from the hills is not the more common one. There is rather the (seems to me) more common model of the military assuming control when the situation of civilian rule turns to chaos. Argentina/Chile comes to mind. Unfortunately, I’m not convinced that the current military leadership is as conservative/rightest in their thinking as they once were.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

The US military cannot take control over the US. The US is so vast that occupying Texas alone against resistance would be too difficult. I mean right now we have to have snipers guarding freaks and that is without any real probability of resistance . Once trouble actually happens? Ugh. Bullying a few states as Eisenhower did in Alabama is one thing and of course cooperate States could be bolstered with Federal troops but a real rebellion, collapse or insurgency is an end game The Soviet Union despite being far better set for oppression was unable to rebuild itself after… Read more »

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“The Soviet Union despite being far better set for oppression was unable to rebuild itself after collapse too. ”
You are terribly naive,

The US, sucking up all communications between all people and the entire internet is a far more efficient police state,

A.B Prosper
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bile, you really think the US Is the USSR? No its not. Not the same economy and the later USSR had a saner meta culture in some ways Also USG had vast files on many people , no doubt I have an FBI file too, people speaking out aren’t vanishing or being bothered. The US isn’t in rebellion because there is a dim chance of avoiding one and more importantly there is no will to power on the Right The Right hates power and as such can’t rebel since to rebel is to take power for your own ends .… Read more »

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You can see the panic of the Conservative Inc. gatekeepers in the tweets of people like French. He is deathly afraid of having to get a real job someday. I assume that is some of the drive behind the National Conservatism conference, they see the rising tide of nationalism and are trying to get in front of it and stake out the acceptable positions. This far and no farther. They are terrified of Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow being in attendance and saying something naughty so they ban them.

Bob
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Bob

Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow could sit there silent and still be anathema. National Conservatism would be tarred simply by association.

vxxc
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vxxc

Conservative INC: Standing athwart the return of sanity yelling “Stop!”

DraveckysHumerus
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DraveckysHumerus

The usual suspects have shut down a local Civil War reenactment festival by threatening “[u]nspecified security concerns.” They insist on controlling the narrative which, naturally, need not involve historical facts. There goes your heritage, boys and girls, and not a conservative challenge to be heard

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/civil-war-reenactment-cancelled-again-after-reinstatement-511779701.html

Dutch
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Dutch

Civil War re-enactment near Chicago. Would that be the Crips vs. the Bloods fighting over South Side turf? 😮

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

This kind of overt repression (plus the next economic debacle) might just bring on a real, not simulated, Civil War re-enactment.

Yves Vannes
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Anything worthy of being called a civilization has its deepest cultural and institutional roots in both a throne and an altar. You cannot build a civilization without hierarchy and you cannot maintain the social cohesion to do so without the moral guidance of faith. The expression of both these institutions is dependent upon group biology and that group’s interaction with nature and history. Reason built neither man nor his civilizations except as a way to explain what seemed to work and what didn’t work. Reason used well is a way to explore and understand nature. Modernism is an attempt to… Read more »

MossHammer
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Yves, well stated. My question is how to get to stage 1 of organizing. What is the most efficient path forward, toward your protect and defend position? Early in my awakening, consuming forensic information strengthened the new truth and awareness I was experiencing. Now I’m hungry for strategic information. So, please offer your perspective on step 1.

vxxc
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vxxc

Organize. If alone head to the local gun club**. Listen to those around you. They’ll find you. Organize: people don’t realize it – organization is organization and can take all forms. A “club” to distribute food, gas and transport same during a “disaster” remains an organization where men get together and plan, coordinate. Also works our logistics and organizational skills and contacts- both of which are sorely lacking. Organization is organization> and one so benevolent as disaster relief do not raise alarms. Strategic? Build squads. 8-15 men. Armies do not build squads: squads build armies. A large mob is nothing.… Read more »

MossHammer
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VXXC. Hugely helpful. Thank you. I’ve begun looking into existing clubs. Clearly I’m not associating enough.
Z has mentioned the secret handshake / spy craft stuff. Frustrating its come to that. I’m working spreading the arms love. Good idea. My wife has personally brought a few girls over to the light…thanks again.

Yves Vannes
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Community disaster relief is a stroke of genius. It requires benevolence and something martial.

3g4me
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3g4me

That presumes one has a community. It’s gotten to the point that I deliberately trash older or outgrown clothing or any unwanted items because any donation I make to any organization is going to go to Mexicans or Squatemalans. Same reason I am not an organ donor. If I cannot restrict my giving to White fellow citizens, I will not give. For all those squishes here who will downvote this, I’m sure your high “moral principles” will be of great comfort to your children and grandchildren as hated minorities. Meanwhile, mine know we’re in a war for survival and that… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

I agree with you 3g4me we should be able to give to whoever we want and be able to live and work with whoever we want to…Which see my post below so I don’t sound like a broken record…

Yves Vannes
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I assume that vxxc is referring to our community. There is no community in clown world.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

It is. And volunteer fire/EMS will be the combat surgeons, the irreplaceable doctors’ corps of the future.

Emergency training combined with the numerous prepper sites? Fun, motivating, and available today.

Then, visit fraternal societies- Shriners, car clubs, etc.
Get a feel for self-organized groups, see what’s useable.

I sense a Plan coming together.
A stroke of genius indeed.

(I’d like to study the legal and financial paperwork of organizing and outreach too.)

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Disaster relief: transport, communication (ham), search and rescue, first aid …. all of these are useful to your common community.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Good, I mentioned car clubs, twas Carlsdad who got me thinking about club groups. I find this philosophy, outlook, and prep comes naturally to the car guys, the hunters, the tradesmen. The guy guys. And their kids.

(And our hens!
*Winks at the ladies*)

Yves Vannes
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Start with 1 or 2 or 3 good friends and as a group take it from there. Don’t go it alone. Also, be circumspect in how you grow. Don’t endanger your job or make yourself a target. When you have a good solid core reach out to other groups.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Buy AND READ “Imperium” by Francis Parker Yockey.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I like your post until the final word. “Obliterated” is unnecessarily harsh, I believe. There are other alternatives, and they should be preferred to obliteration.

Penitent Man
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Ostei,

It would be agreeable to find more preferable alternatives to obliteration. Whether they ARE available is up to debate. If/when the great reckoning erupts you won’t get to choose whether you are engaged in a war of succession or a war to the knife. The old axiom applies, “It takes only one party to start a war but two to end it.” We should harden our hearts to the possibility of limited possibilities.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Yes. Understood. But I continue clinging to the hope that the parties involved can reason themselves out of this mess without too much death and destruction. The world is big enough for all of us. But the various groups must understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with each group going its own way. There is no moral imperative for disparate groups being compelled to live cheek-by-jowl under the same political umbrella. Seems pretty mild and unobjectionable really, doesn’t it? But to utter the words I just did is to be an arch-villain according to the popular zeitgeist.

Penitent Man
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Ostei, I hear you. That is my wish as well. I just dont see the other side relenting. Where is there room to retreat to anymore? I dont think we get to make choices in the upcoming unpleasantness. I hope I am wrong. Truly. I dont think badly of you at all for your hopes. Honestly though, do you see any hope of those implacably opposed to you coming to a kumbaya moment of realizing you are just as entitled to your life and thoughts and letting you go your own way? Please show me anything in the news where… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

No, I do not see that. But if confronted with the very real prospect of prolonged violence, they could see sense and let us go our own way.

Yves Vannes
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Thought about that when I wrote it. Wanted to convey the idea that we need to think in military terms and not in political terms but didn’t want to use a typical euphemism.

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Ostei Kozelskii

It is true that demands are not credible unless backed by the very real threat of force and violence.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

I always have to say something when I see somebody write something like this: ” We are and have been in a race and cultural war using political institutions that no longer function as they were designed to work. Politics is not the path forward. We need to think and organize the way our ancestors did when the Saracens were at the door. ” It’s not that they ‘no longer work the way they were designed to work’ – that is a mis-representation of what happened. They were INTENTIONALLY SUBVERTED. The way you say it – it’s like the person… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Political institutions are human organizations not inanimate objects with a will of their own.

“The expression of both these institutions is dependent upon group biology and that group’s interaction with nature and history. ”
Cultural and political corruption is the subversion of nature at the group level. A person is part of an organic polis. We are individual actors in only a very limited sense.

3g4me
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Yves, brilliant comment. Too many, both here and elsewhere, feel the need to justify their heresy from political orthodoxy, either based on pseudo Christian teachings or civil American myth making. I feel no need to justify my defense of my right to exist, nor for my preference for my own children and people over others. That preference is good and natural, and while it does not necessarily imply antipathy for the other, it has turned to hard, cold rage on my part. I therefore wholeheartedly endorse your choice of the term “obliterated.” Purported separate, peaceful coexistence is not my goal.

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Ostei Kozelskii

“separate, peaceful coexistence is not my goal”

Why not? If we could have our own separate state, and the various others their own separate states, what would be wrong with that?

Lineman
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Lineman

@Ostei
Purported separate, peaceful coexistence is not my goal…
I believe that shouldn’t be anyones goal because your goal should be much more than that and if the other side wants to offer that as a truce then we can settle for that as long as the separation includes an ocean between us and them…

3g4me
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Ostei – because I believe that’s operating on a faulty premise; i.e. even if separate states come to be, there will not be peaceful coexistence as a result. The differing biological abilities and propensities of the races and nations would result in extreme inequality and envy, just as today. The high trust nature of Europeans (and particularly European women) would result in calls for various special exceptions leading right back to where we are today. And finally, because I believe the proportion of individuals in the world who are incapable of managing their own lives, let alone cities or nations,… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Thank you for explaining. However, I believe a significant and growing percentage of whites, looking at the debacle that is multiculti, would incorporate that knowledge in some future ethnostate and make it proof against the terrible mistakes that have led us to this pass. This state would be viable long term. Now would many non-whites be envious, and covetous? Of course. Let them. Let them fume and wail. But let them do it in their own lands. We went down the pathological altruism path once and it was suicidal. Never again.

3g4me
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3g4me

Deus volt.

Lineman
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I agree Brother which is why I advocate for building Communities…You can’t build or organize without trust and the only way you can trust is to know people on a f2f basis…I’ve already weeded out a bunch of people that turned out to be worthless after getting to know them other than just online…So many people write one thing and live something totally different…The key to organizing is being around people that have the same goals and values that you hold so you can get together…If you guys don’t have that where you are at then move to somewhere that… Read more »

Alzaebo
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F2F gets the upvote. But separate Community is a stretch too far for most. Even in the 1920s (forever, really) people moved all the time looking for work. Today, they look for “good schools”.

So I think we’ll have to settle for what we can do in this mobile, distributed world. F2F with the like-minded, like clubs, volunteer, etc. Rub shoulders.

I’ve been wanting to ask you if you ever go check out or visit fraternal or community societies- Kiwanis, Elks, JC, Rotary, etc- and if you could observe and report back to us here.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Oh, and Lineman?
Also, can you tell me more about those North CA line jobs?
Where does one apply, and how to get into their training school?
Is there anything for old guys, 60+?
(Asking for a brother. No, really!)

Lineman
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Lineman

Right now they are only looking for Journeyman and Equipment Operators…We have had guys going through an apprenticeship when they were early 50s but never someone older than 60…It’s a job that is hard on your body in the first 10 years of work so age is definitely a handicap…There is quite a few line school’s out there right now which is the way most are going before they are hired on as an apprentice…Let me know if I can answer anything else…Oh and the club thing btdt and wasn’t really impressed…

Lineman
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Lineman

When I talk about building Community I’m thinking about how certain groups turned cities into what they desired and wanted to live around…I think once it gets bad enough people will start doing that on our side hopefully because like you said I don’t see them doing that at this point…

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Dr. Mabuse

I fantasize about living in a small hamlet with like-minded Righties, where we eliminate the public school altogether. Instead of each family trying to undertake the whole burden of homeschooling their children, the job would be shared by various members of the village. So at 10:00 the children would come to Mrs. Smith’s house for an English lesson, then afterwards, trot on over to Mr. Jones’s house for Math, and somewhere else for History. Different people who have skills would be able to pass them down; there could be classes in agriculture and handiwork. I’d be happy to teach French,… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

@Dr. Mabuse
I agree and would only say why oh why aren’t we all smart enough to make it happen before the great collapse…

MossHammer
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Thank you Z, and all of you, for continuing to feed my need to understand where we are, while pressing toward action. Would you mind providing some authors that would continue my learning?
Also, if history can provide a guide, how did the Confederate Army (or any opposing militia) form, while under trending oppression? Are there authors that have covered this that are not biased to the North?
I’m dedicated to quietly looking around my neighborhood and surrounding community but appreciate the efficiency of retroactive studies of what has worked previously.

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Zman, on the same principle as “always strike a Libertarian, he’ll know why,” I’ll never tire of your beatdowns of the NRO crowd. On the other hand, they’re already moribund, and barely merit attention. Your most provocative idea, IMO, is this question of “moralities”: the need to recognize and abandon the one that restrains our side, in favor of a different morality that liberates, fortifies, nourishes and vindicates us. I would welcome more from you on what exactly the latter would involve. I’m not interested in a “manifesto,” but more like a posing of questions and considerations that could guide… Read more »

Zeroh Tollrants
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Zeroh Tollrants

The beatings must continue until all vestiges of Lolbertarianism have been ground into a fine dust and blown away by the wind.
Same goes with the RW Christian Zionist death cults full of nuts like Nikki Hayley,. Mike Pompeo, and the like.

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

I agree; I could read these essays on the collapse of NRO and Conservatism, Inc every day. It’s like the Jews with their story of Passover: Let’s tell again the story of how we were delivered from slavery! It’s like that for me: I was duped for years and years, I gave the best years of my life to this phony-baloney “movement” that, as Mark Steyn said, never seemed able to “move” anywhere. Just years of Reagan nostalgia, as our future seeped away.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I guess we Constitutional libertarians will have to form a secret cult of unspeakable heresies, mourning our lost and sacred Writ, until you guys start throwing us to lions.

The cheers of the crowd!
I hear them now, and quake.

Carson Napier
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Carson Napier

I used to be a racist. But Tiny’s brave, clear and concise daily posts have broken the spell of the Republican Party, and I’ve seen the light. Our future is diverse, compassionate, and prosperous. I am now a cishet white male ally to women, people of color, and LGBTQs.

Dutch
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Dutch

I have come to realize that the Podesta art collection, Comet Ping-Pong Pizza, and Spirit Dinners are not only not really weird, but actually mainstream. I just didn’t know. Now I’ve got to get my inner child down to the library and get in on those Drag Queen Story Hours. It’s gonna be awesome! 😮

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Dutch, when you go to the totally awesome Drag Queen Story Hour, don’t worry about the moms out there protesting the event. The snipers on the rooftop across the street have you covered! (See Spokane recent event)

Penitent Man
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Except the guns protecting Awesome Drag Queen Story Hour are still icky. Dont know how to feel. Please help.

Sincerely,

Deeply Conflicted

Max Schumacher
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Max Schumacher

Podesta-phile! 😆

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

The pseudo-religion of “anti-bigotry” allows individuals who are otherwise loathsome to feel good about themselves at no personal cost, no personal sacrifice. I noticed even as a kid that the people loudest in their support of the supposed poor and oppressed were the most reprehensible individuals who didn’t care about people as individuals. The people loudest in their willingness to redistribute wealth were the cheapest when it came to their own money. Moral peacocks the lot of them.

Member

Z: “This is all code for morality.” Yep. Much of what we say comes down to morality. Having grown up in a highly judgemental home with a religious fanatic mom, I tuned into the morality of talk from an early age. A lifetime’s amusement has been hearing all the euphemisms (“code”) people use for the words “immoral” or “that’s wrong”. I wasn’t around in the 50s or 60s but I figure calling something “immoral” died off in those years. Definitely by the 70’s, the most uncool thing you could do was say something was immoral. You may as well don… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
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Ris_Eruwaehdiel

Many people nowadays mock our ancestors for their so-called “Victorian prudery” or our parents for their so-called “1950s repression.” Please. Today, we are as prudish, repressed, moralistic and judgmental as our ancestors in the 1850s or our parents in 1950s were; we’re just prudish, repressed, moralistic and judgmental about different things. “Bigotry” and a lack of “diversity” and “inclusion” are the “sins” of today. Even cucks play the game. “Democrats are the real racists,” blah, blah, blah. Look at the pile-on Joe Biden on Breitbart.com.

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

In my 20’s (Ronaldus was pres.) my bro-in-law introduced me to Ayn Rand. I knew the world was effed up and had rejected original sin (I didn’t understand it) and I was lost. Rand saved me. I eventually grew out of it about 20 years ago, (as a religion, anyway), and in the past 2 years it seems I am starting over. I’m not that smart, so I have to chew on something until I can make a declarative sentence containing the whole thought, or as much as possible. What I have so far is that our moral superiors rape… Read more »

Badthinker
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Badthinker

“I just cant even” is the worst. Especially when it comes out of the mouth of a hipster soyboy.

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Ostei Kozelskii

The question is, why did Cold War conservatism jettison the whole of conservatism except for its anti-communism? Was that the only issue on which the conservatives held the moral high ground? Why the lack of confidence to defend other salient features of conservatism such as freedom of association and defense of America’s distinctly European heritage? Zman, I know you’re not saying conservatives were wrong on those issues, but that almost appears to be the logic of your argument.

Dalits vs. Daleks
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Because the “rest of conservatism” would have involved telling the plain truth about blacks and Jews, and that would have been just too icky. And costly.

The plain truth is that all of America’s problems from the dawn of the 20th century til now have been caused by blacks and Jews, and the inability of Americans to deal frankly and intelligently with these two problem species.

Jackson
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Jackson

Buckley. His weird proclivities. Richard Spencer edited an entire volume on this:

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Purge-Deformation-Conservative-Movement/dp/1593680430

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

I think because those issues interfered with the other big motivator of Conservatism: making money. Piling up more and more wealth became a proxy for morality (Ayn Rand casts a long shadow) and it soon became clear that hanging on to traditional ways would end up costing. How can we become rich if our women don’t join the work force? Don’t you know how much money we’ll save if we buy from China instead of our own countrymen?

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

Z, this is good and is fleshing out the landscape, but what is your take on best moral philosophy?

TomA
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TomA

The root of Progressive morality is an existential survival imperative based upon parasitism; which is the demand that Progressives be permitted to endlessly feed upon the productivity of others. As an example, see Bernie Sanders advocating free everything to everyone in exchange for votes and his ascendancy to supreme political being. That works for a while, but sooner or later, the Ponzi scheme collapses and tyranny is the inevitable end result. Ergo, their morality equals totalitarianism. The Soviets made this last for 80 years.

Dutch
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Dutch

It’s simple, they demand your stuff, and your fealty. Why? Because they can. The rest of it is just rationalizations. Like my “tear down all the things” comment above, this gets down to a childish “king of the hill” mentality writ large and deadly serious. Our culture is allowing and supporting all of this, because the larger, more disciplined morality has been beaten out of us. There is only one way out of this, and it ain’t gonna be pretty. It is going to be along the lines of “waiting until your father gets home”.

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AnotherAnonymous

All of the candidates wish to retain power, but not all of them want to destroy the capitalist system in the process. This is why Socialists (“Socialist Democrats”) go to great lengths to portray their intentions as merely “reforming capitalism” – a portrayal much less likely to scare voters than “redistribution”. Baby steps, baby steps. The difference between Biden/Harris and Sanders is that Sanders intends to deliver on his promises – Biden and Harris do not want to destroy capitalism. Bernie understands that once (for example) student loans are forgiven, the result is the banks will be nationalized. This is… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

@AA
And the 64 dollar question is will we be just like the Kulaks or the Boers in present times and let them kill us off one by one while we tremble behind closed doors…Read up on those rugged individuals and see that if you don’t have tribe then you will be rolled up when your time comes…

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The key to survival is not being tied down to place when TSHTF. In all of the successful guerrilla wars of the past the land/house/village is given up and supplies are gotten on the fly or via clandestine networks. The cowering in place stems from the mistaken idea that the place is of primary importance. It is not the place that is primary, it is the people.

Severian
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Actual conservatism will make a comeback in the West if and only if White folks learn one simple, two-letter word: “So?” As in, when some blue-haired nose-ringer with more armpit hair than IQ points starts shouting about how ur a rayciss, the one and only appropriate response is “So?” Throw in an “And?” for extra effect. (If you feel your interlocutor might be reachable, follow it up with “I’ll stop being a racist the minute y’all do. Racism against White people is still racism”). Then shrug and walk away.

Dutch
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Dutch

Breitbart’s great contribution to Western Civilization. The awkward “So?”.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

C.S. Lewis said: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated;but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” If life in a Democracy is one long tent revival meeting with a struggle between competing moral view points, then be very careful which doctrines you… Read more »

Penitent Man
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Severian,

May I make a small suggestion to your otherwise excellent idea. In the age of cell phone video and professional/employment ruination an “admission” of being a racist may not be wise.

Perhaps a dismissive “So you say” may have the enraging effect you are looking for without the possible consequences of a “So… And?”

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

Try the very American “Sez you.”

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Rod1963

“In America, the Right used to rely on Christianity, tradition and America’s frontier culture, but those were abandoned as the Left anathematized each one in turn. ” We need to make a distinction. The Right IMO are white conservatives in general. Not a bunch of snobby Buckley types who only existed in East coast enclaves. The Right’s pillars had been under constant attack by not only the Left but by big business all through the late 60’s and past Reagan. I’d wager and say the business community did the most damage. They got rid of the Blue laws in small… Read more »

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Lineman

I concur with all of that which is why my wife is a stay at home mom…That issue of women working though will only be solved after it crashes and burns and something is rebuilt out of the ashes… Speaking of crashing and burning did anyone else see this article talk about cucked and suicidal…https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/chandler-thornton-republican-party-problem

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

It may be just as well if the white nationalists Chandler Thornton has issued a fatwa against realize the Republican Party is not their friend.

dad29
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Politics in a liberal democracy is theater, not science. The fact that conservatives don’t get that helps explain their demise

That is precisely why Trump won, and will continue to win. See, e.g., how he put the Democrat menagerie on stage with his demand for border-humanitarian-relief dollars, and is now allowing them to fail for ALL to see, including the Fail Media!

Heh.

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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Everybody here should buy AND READ the book “Imperium” by Francis Parker Yockey. He explains democracy, liberalism, Darwinism, Communism, Marxism, and lots more. He makes short work of democracy and its ridiculous claims to “morality.”

Fine article Z-Man! As always!

Jackson
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Jackson

You say: “In order to be in opposition to the ruling orthodoxy, you have to be at odds with at least some of its moral foundation.” Well put, succinct and true. So: what is the competing moral foundation of the ‘dissident right’? This is where I see everyone faltering, looking for something and not finding it. You have those who preach a return to a muscular Christianity, like Vox Day. And you have those who suggest ethnos as morality, most closely argued by Greg Johnson in his recent book. What’s the Z plan?

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Jackson. Might I suggest the horse fly tactic. A bunch of horse flies can drive a big animal crazy and the beast starts to run around in circles trying to get away. Lets see how many ways we can drive the beast crazy. Every little bite counts.

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Alzaebo

Ye gods! That’s it!

WE’RE the horse!

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“What’s the Z plan?” I honestly think some of you who ask this expect Z to supply us with some magic bullet football huddle play. “OK, here’s what we’re gonna do. Dutch, you clog the drains. Ursula, you burn the library. Yves, you go long. I’ll take it from there.”

Jackson
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Let me try again. When I say “plan” I am only referring to what he is prescribing in the article. What part of their moral foundation is he at odds with? What’s the weakest link. Going to his Buckley example: Buckley conservatives won the “communism is bad” moral battle, and led the USA to confront Communism. Buckley oonservatives refused to confront the claims of Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement, and lost the battle, and as a result the racial hegemony of whites was not defended and we ended up with infinite special rights for minorities (soon to… Read more »

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King Tut

What we refer to as Conservative Inc. or lolbertarianism was forged as a response to the old material Leninism that was the major threat probably up until the 1980s. In response to the vision of starving horror posed by collective farming, the right constructed an intellectual case for free markets, low taxes and private enterprise that reached its triumphal apogee in the Reagan/Thatcher years. In fairness, it was a reasonable response to the threat as it was configured from 1930s-1980s (or thereabouts). But the left proved again that they are more intellectually adaptable by ditching material Leninism in favour of… Read more »

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Official Bologna Tester

King Tut. There’s only one issue with the leftists and that’s the will to power. Everthing else is rhetoric, devices and tactics. Which is why the fall of the soviet union was such a god send for the western lefties. It trashed the conservatives moral reason for existence. Then the left went hard tword identity politics and environmental activism. The conservatives, libertarians and liberals have no defense against these tactics. As far as I’m concerned the whole right wing, liberal wing garbage is dead to me. We need to get creative. I have an older post with links to all… Read more »

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Johnny55

Whilst I agree with the premise of this article, I would put forward one further thought. The reason why it is advantageous to use the endorsement or affiliation of “pick your minority” with OUR positions, is that it is able to punch through the built up propaganda. One must differentiate between the step-n-fetch-it types like a French or Williamson, and those who really are grounded solidly and simply use proper marketing techniques to get beyond the brainwashing. Sadly, they are few and far between. Jesse Lee Peterson and his willingness to have Owen Benjamin come give a talk, strikes me… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

As a fisherman, you have to decide when to stop fishing in a spot where there are few bites on your reel. There are no hard-and-fast rules about when you decide to give up on a spot, but at some point you must.

Conservatives have been trying to create a surge of conservative minorities since Reagan and it has amounted to nothing. I’ve given up. When will you?

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Buckley Conservatism: Standing athwart history yelling “please slow down as you are scaring people”

“The Conservative case for…” is a coffin.

JohnTyler
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JohnTyler

A consistent theme in Z’s arguments is the ineptitude, incompetence, incoherence, etc., of the right. Yet somehow, these attributes do not infect the left. Why? Certainly leftists are not smarter than conservatives? IMHO it’s because the left is not interested in bettering the lives of the citizenry; it’s interested only in taking power. And they do not give flying F**k how they get it. This allows them to say or propose absolutely anything, irrespective of the subsequent consequences, provided the immediate result advances their quest for power. Just look at the results of the myriad policies they have implemented; NONE… Read more »

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LineInTheSand

“Conservatives appear unable to elucidate TO THE MASSES, why their policies are superior.” You still seem to identify with the conservatives and this is why you ask your questions.

You overlook the constraints of race and the power of tribalism. You can’t convince many non-whites of the benefits of conservatism because they are, generally speaking, too unintelligent to grasp the issues and even the ones who are intelligent feel a deeper desire for their race to dominate the whites regardless of the costs.

Tribalism is the deepest political force. Plan accordingly.