The Reality of Life

In his July Diary over at VDare, John Derbyshire recounted an exchange he had with Mark Steyn about biological reality. Like most men his age, Steyn is incapable of thinking clearly about race and ethnicity. Instead he tries to jam reality into the blank slate fantasy, where culture makes the man. Steyn asked, “Why is Haiti Haiti and Barbados Barbados? Why is India India and Pakistan Pakistan? Skin color and biological determinism don’t get you very far on that.”

This is a popular form of arm flapping by right-wing Progressives. Whenever they are confronted with biological reality, they reel off a series of exceptions they think extremely clever. Somehow, they think their ignorance is some sort of magic spell that will make the bad men go away. If biology cannot explain everything to them to their satisfaction, then they will hang onto their magical thinking. It is a good example of how you cannot overcome superstition with facts and reason.

Now, as to the challenge, Derb correctly points out that biology is one ingredient that results in the societies we see. The biology of Barabbas is a lot closer to the biology of Haiti than it is to Iceland. Yet, Barbados seems to be closer to Iceland on the civilization scale than it is to Haiti. Of course, Barbados is not Iceland, not even close. Botswana is much nicer than Somalia, but that does not make Botswana a paradise. Maybe Steyn should first explain why Barbados is not Iceland.

It turns out though, that Steyn’s “gotcha” response is actually a very good example of the role biology plays in social organization. Haiti was a French colony and its current population is descended from the slave population used by the French. Barbados, in contrast, was a British colony. About ten percent of its population is white and its black population is descended from both slaves and free men. Further, Barbados never sank into anarchy, so its population has been stable for generations.

How big a difference does that white population make in Barbados? If we assume the whites are fairly typical of the sorts of people willing to colonize the New World, they are probably a bit smarter than the average European. That means they will make up the bulk of the island’s smart fraction. Haiti, in contrast, will have no smart fraction, as even the talented ten percent fled a long time ago. Barbados may not have the smart fraction of Iceland, but it has one, while Haiti does not have one.

Of course, Barbados will have a talented ten percent, as well. While the bulk of the black population is descended from slaves, a lot of blacks came to the island as freemen during the age of sail. Just as with North America, the British were a much softer touch on their colonies than the French and Spanish. That history has resulted in a much better black population than in Haiti. It’s talented ten percent, plus the white population, is capable of maintaining a civil society.

That may strike some as a small difference to hang an argument, but in biology, small difference can have very large downstream consequences. As Derb pointed out, Albania has an average IQ in the low 80’s while Ghana is in the 60’s. That does not seem like a big difference, but it means Albania has about 4% of the population that qualifies as a smart fraction, while Ghana has none. That 4% has a huge impact on the outcome of Albania. Small differences mean a lot in biology.

That does not explain all of the differences between the two places. As Derb points out in his piece, history and geography play a role. Chance plays a role as well. Haiti has not been helped by its geography. That massive earthquake would have been tough for any of the island populations to endure. It’s also regularly raked by tropical storms and hurricanes. Outside interference from America has not always been in the best interest of the Haitian people. Haiti is a very unlucky place.

Still, there is a reason no African nation has created a modern society or been able to maintain one that was handed to them. Somalia has all of the things modern libertarians celebrate, but it is a violent hell hole. Liberia adopted the US constitution, but Liberia is nothing like America. Detroit has a much better history than Salt Lake City, but it has much worse biology. Perhaps Steyn thinks Detroit’s problems are due to weather, but most likely he knows the real reason. He just hates it.

That really is the issue with the science deniers. It’s not so much that they don’t accept biological reality or even that they lack the numeracy to grasp it. They just hate facing the reality of the human condition. It should be noted that the science deniers tend to live as far from human diversity as possible. Steyn, for example, lives in a whites-only part of northern New Hampshire. Celebrating diversity from a great distance is the hallmark of the science deniers and egalitarians.

Putting aside the revealed preferences of the deniers, they cling to their superstitions because to do otherwise means accepting some harsh truths. One of which is that the only way to maintain Western civilization is to maintain the European people. That means playing very rough with the rest of the world’s people. It turns out that we have not advanced beyond our nature. Life for us is the same struggle for survival it has always been. The winner has to play for keeps.

As a practical matter, that means the Europeans will have to deport their non-European populations. Not all of them, but most. Telling a few million Muslims they have to go back is not something our betters care to face. Similarly, it means sinking enough migrant boats in the Mediterranean to discourage the practice. Europe’s leaders lack the stomach to defend their people, so instead they have embraced magical realism as a coping strategy. It’s an effort to gracefully lose the struggle for life.

Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it. Biological reality is no exception. The history of man has been a struggle between people. History, geography and some good fortune made Europeans the dominant people on the globe, because they were willing and able to out-compete their rivals. That’s reality. If Europeans are unwilling to compete, then they will be overrun by their rivals. That too is reality, a realty that will not go away even if the deniers stop believing it.


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It is a good time to cling to thucydides imponderables

Vegetius
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Vegetius

And to ponder Rumsfeldian unknowns.

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Heh!

the Russians
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Unfortunately, even among my Conservative friends, the majority will bail on a conversation that has to include genetics to get anywhere beyond shrugging your shoulders.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

From what I can tell, this resistance to judging groups of people by their biological heritage is rooted in a resistance to judging an individual by qualities that the person has but did not choose.

This feeling is appropriate when dealing with individuals. We don’t want to judge a person badly because he was born ugly or poor. But refusing to judge large groups in an unflattering way may destroy Western civilization.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Yes the fetish of the individual prevents most people, conservatives included, from recognizing group traits rooted in biology. They will, however, pat themselves on the back for extrapolating the talents and attributes of their black friend at the law firm onto the entire population of blacks. Which then, of course, anchors them in the prog religion’s original sin of evil white man keeping everyone else down. Meanwhile, the talents and positive attributes of the other 30 white partners at the firm can’t possibly have anything to do with ‘skin color’. So even the self-proclaimed conservative, with evidence all around him,… Read more »

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MemeWarVet

The Boomer’s grandson getting the s**t beat out of him for being white won’t be so suicidally altruistic.

Whitey will never fight back until he feels pain. The future has plenty in store for us.

Lineman
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Lineman

I would agree and also add it will take pain to get them to even think and plan for fighting back…

Calsdad
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Calsdad

The whites who constantly cuck to the POC need to be taken to task for their positions. Once they’re forced to shut up – it will remove at least some of the pressure on those who want to fight back but see nothing but opposition everywhere they turn. Rosanna Arquette recently came out and apologized for her whiteness. Seems like most cuckservatives will expend energy trying to argue her out of her lunacy. I tend to think it’s far more effective to take advantage of the craziness that’s obviously bouncing around in her head to come to a solution. In… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

@Calsdad
She is doing that so she will be eaten last…

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Yeah – maybe. I still say somebody who takes this position can be “played”. Atone for your sins Rosanna and go to meet the almighty where you can be righteously punished. These people are very mentally disturbed. Might as well take advantage of that. We recently had a trial here where a high school girl encouraged her boyfriend to commit suicide – and he did. Jim Jones pretty sufficiently demonstrated that people can be convinced to take their own lives with enough indoctrination. The current day left – with all of it’s anti-white white people – is demonstrating their ability… Read more »

Rube Goldberg
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Rube Goldberg

None of them are really sorry for being white.
For fu_ks sakes, if there where any actual sorrow we would have seen this form of “repentance” by now. Or at least by now some of these preening A-holes would have taken up some “mission” work and relocated to walk among the brown and black but no, here they remain to lecture us (and embarrass themselves).

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

I would like to see some enterprising young bad thinker buy up some property in the ghetto and offer to house our diversity living friends in it for free. Running public advertisements and sending public invites would make for a good time. You could post the diversity in someone like Arquette’s neighborhood and make a sincere offer to let her live in a diverse one for a month.

Call it a celebrity outreach for diversity.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

LOL.

Diversity swap.

Some brothers from the hood live in your nice house in a safe white neighborhood for a month – and you go live in the Section 8 apartment that one of those brothers shares with his baby mama.

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Even better idea is to spend a year in a career that forces you to interact, especially if you are labelled the “authority figure.” Those in the medical field and legal fields, education, social work, and law enforcement have a tougher time that anyone who would take part in an “exchange” situation. It’s the closeness, particularly if you have a job to do and expectations to live up to, that causes the conflict. The “historically oppressed” will like the man who exchange homes with them much better than the one who is insisting that they follow rules, especially if there… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

This assumes you can be openly conservative in a large law firm.

Exile
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Exile

If you could, you guys would know my real name.

Lineman
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Lineman

Only f2f at this time Brother…

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Exile said: “If you could, you guys would know my real name.”

If I could, I’d know the name of Jack the Ripper.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

The refusal to judge large groups in an unflattering way has been indoctrinated into us for decades. I’m in my 50’s, so I remember how common it was to talk disparagingly, point out differences, and make jokes about other racial groups. Eventually I noticed there were some people who disapproved of that kind of talk, and then later on, it became a taboo subject. And that’s where we are now, and soon it’ll be a crime to speak openly about group differences.

Exile
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Exile

Spot on. This is really the heart of the matter for Whites – we don’t want to disrespect an individual and deny him basic dignity based on his race but we have to recognize the reality of his group traits. I’ve never dug deep into this to have a strong opinion on whether this inner conflict is a mostly genetic, cultural or socialized trait among muh people. Need to do so for my future projects, thanks for the reminder.

Compsci
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Compsci

It is often possible to leave race out of the conversation wrt group differences. Most of my conversations stay within race, but discuss groupings of people. Those I talk with are quite aware of lower class, lower IQ whites whom they run into daily. Most all of the basic HBD concepts can be elaborated upon without triggering these folk.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

And many of them will go so far as to use the term ‘white trash’, but dare you use a “slur” against *any* other ethnic group, and you’re an evil person. I always say “oh, I didn’t know it was okay to compare an entire group of people with garbage”

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Nothing quite as difficult as trying to get the truly bigoted to see that they are.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Yeah but……….. we do judge individuals badly based on the qualities they have but did not choose. Or are you telling me that you would welcome a society that passes laws that force you to accept a mate chosen thru some sort of lottery system – even though that person may be hideously ugly, have a genetically inherited intestinal problem that causes them to fart violently and continuously – and is about 4ft 5 inches tall – even as a fully “grown” adult? An awful lot of men would likely welcome the above mentioned system – but I think you’d… Read more »

Nick
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Nick

Fortunately, it doesn’t take a majority to swing group preferences, and dissident thought is growing

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Ostei Kozelskii

It is the great taboo on the right. On the Left it is the only capital offense.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

Our friends in the media are handing out more red pills now then any of us ever could by accusing every white they see of white supremacy. Whites seem to be taking on a tone of pointing out violence and tribalism from minorities. Many still in denial but they’ve began drifting away from equalitarianism and that tends to be a one way trip.

Severian
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The hardest biological reality of all is James Calhoun’s “rat utopia” experiment. IF any Europeans get hard enough to survive what’s coming, and IF their descendants want to give stuff like “indoor plumbing” and “living past 35” a shot a few generations down the line, they absolutely must reconstruct their society along Spartan lines. Universal prosperity is universally lethal to humans.

Exile
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Exile

Agree 101%. This is the problem of “scale” that Heartiste (PBUH) often discussed. Population control and the inextricably-related issues of peace & prosperity present major dilemmas for a society trying to balance the interests of biology/evolution with transcendence and metaphysics over materialism. Simply put, we either voluntarily limit and select our population (e.g. birth control, eugenics and/or abortion) or we have to let nature do it for us (disease, famine, war). I’m shifting toward the former out of sheer necessity, although I viscerally disdain abortion. This makes authoritarian-level control of R-selection populations mandatory to reverse the dysgenic breeding pattters modernity… Read more »

SidVic
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SidVic

Eugenics could be done humanely. Merely require implantable birth control if one is on benefits. $1,000 cash reward for free outpatient tubal ligation would also probably do the trick. Feteing and financial rewards for parents that produce National Merit Scholars or the equivalent might also be considered. Our highly dysgenic Society has only been in force for 50 to 70 years. Nature will re-exert her control. We can only hope and plan for a soft Landing.

Exile
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Exile

Agree, birth control’s my big crutch to lean on with this issue, targeted pro-natalist policies second.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Hungary is trying to raise their birthrate by subsidizing married couples to produce more children: https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/26/save-population-collapse-hungary-offers-couples-35000-third-child/ In the US and other Western countries, we subsidize the lazy (largely unmarried) to breed at the taxpayer’s expense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3e41prVDv4 One issue that I have with the Right-to-Life movement is their legitimizing illegitimacy and welfare dependency in the name of discouraging abortions. In pre-New Deal America, most states provided what was called a “mother’s pension,” largely to widows with minor children. In 1935, Aid to Dependent Children (later Aid to Families with Dependent Children) which provided assistance to unmarried mothers. Frances Perkins, Secretary of… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

A number of societies have tried subsidies and they just don’t seem to work very well None have yet gone above replacement usually “one time” subsidies shift the time frame to the subsidy but do not get more children since children are an ongoing expense And you can’t change the culture very much, this is the human norm across time, Cities are population sinks The baby boom was an anomaly not a norm. As for subsidizing illegitimacy, spot on. Idleness Is another matter. Wages too low to afford housing and such are a huge part of population decline which is… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

People who want children might have them or have more with a subsidy. A fellow once said to me that he and his wife had two children and wanted a third, but couldn’t afford another one. “I figure that I’m supporting three kids in Newark. Do I ever get so much as a Father’s Day card?” On another note, there’s a joke that the most confusing day in the ‘hood is Father’s Day. Two more reasons why the birthrate is so low is because children are no longer necessary that way there were in the past. Children were an economic… Read more »

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

You and A.B. Prosper should get together in the 7.5 Billion People Aren’t Enough Club. Why should taxpayers subsidize having more children?

blue collar dave
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So someone will pay for your social security check.
Little details like future income tend to fuck up retirement

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Children are on ongoing 18+ year expense. A one time subsidy won’t help and thus far it hasn’t anywhere

I’ll note no one has gotten the fertility rate above replacement for very long in any nation in deep decline. If the US rate drops again, we won’t be able to either

This is fine with me so long as immigration is controlled and we are aware of the consequences and ready for them

blue collar dave
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I’d bet money that if 40% of their income wasn’t going to taxes, they’d make plenty of babies.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

A.B., last time we “talked” you claimed you would favor a much lower population as long as whites would breed more. Now, here you go again: “This [population decline and economic shrinkage] can be tough as this means less revenue every year and revenue needs even in a frugal state will outstrip available taxes during a decline for quite some time.” Regardless of what you say when I call you on it, you have bought into the idea that prosperity must be achieved by population growth. You can’t even imagine a steady-state economy. You are fixated on growth, growth, growth.… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Practice your reading comprehension a bit will you.

Every political choice has consequences and tradeoffs in the short, medium and long term and noting those is advocacy of one or the other

For example I understand that if people have less kids, a large enterprise , in this case Toys R Us will close and that some areas may have extra costs fixing sewers for less flow.

This is perfectly OK, the tradeoffs may be worth it , minus migration I think they are but its behooves people to understand what is coming and to understand and be ready for it

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I am pro soft eugenics in case anyone asks. However you really do not want to pay people to get sterilized as this can easily take out a lot of otherwise healthy , sound and fertile young women down on their luck or whose circumstances will be easily improved Also the various hormonal birth control methods are a hazard, There is evidence that they mess with hormonal mating cues (and yes human’s use these too) and create inappropriate mating habits. They also foul up the water as well The solution is far more social but its expensive subsidize non hormonal… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I think you’re right except about automatically awarding custody to the father in case of divorce. I think that fault should be brought back if minor children are involved and that the innocent party should get the kids. Some woman who is cheating on her husband shouldn’t be awarded the children in case of divorce. Let her pay child support and arrange for visitation. Men stay in horrible marriages because they figure that they will still lose custody if they file for divorce. A friend was married to a man who liked his liquor and when he get drunk he… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

Best method is to increase a child tax exemption. Anyone on welfare would not be eligible (or, a dollar for dollar reduction in exemption for each welfare dollar received), and make sure it stays undiminished through the middle/upper middle classes. This would hopefully encourage producers to breed. In fact, do it on a bell curve adjusted to the mid-upper middle class so that the biggest advantage goes to that group (say families with combined gross income of $100K). To some extent, a progressive tax system naturally creates this curve. Natural filters take care of the rest.

3g4me
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3g4me

Exile, any future White polity that plans to survive and thrive will have to be fairly authoritarian on a number of issues, not only breeding. Even if every Mestizo or Negro or Hebrew vanished tomorrow, the White population would not automatically and immediately revert to seeking virtue and disdaining vice. It took centuries of social pressure and plenty of executions to get the English to where they were, and Hogarth’s depictions of London’s stews weren’t meant purely to amuse. As I’ve noted before, Covington’s books face this squarely. One must also assume that sometime, someone (highly likely female) will start… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

The use of exile and the need to avoid “lawyering” for exceptions, likely from the wahmens, is part of what I’m proposing as my basic structure for discusion of American White identity. In a three-zone apartheid structure we’d be exiling non-conforming Whites to either the mixed ethnic areas or to “free cities” where the Poz would end up running free, but firewalled from the rest of us. It’s a long-term multi-generational thing, what we can do now is to start developing these ideas as desired “futurism,” forming physical communities at arms-length from Poz Central and start home/private schooling the generations… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I’ve heard of Harold Covington, but never read any of his books. What did he propose?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Covington didn’t have good aesthetics as a young man. Later, he wrote 5 novels about a white homeland in the Pacific Northwest. C’s thesis was that we cannot retake the entire country, but we can make the price of holding on to the NW so high that the elites will let the NW go.

In his last book, he required that the NW scientists invent magic weapons to prevent the USA from hitting the NW with neutron bombs. This is a concession of the difficulty of his vision.

I like his novels a lot and he was impressive.

3g4me
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3g4me

Ris – His books take place during different times, but there was requisite national service – 2-3 years – where everyone did manual labor and/or infrastructure work – no ever going back to importing other races to do work we ought to do ourselves. Television and education, at least in the beginning – was tightly controlled, with no degeneracy or pornography or faux history. Anyone who had miscegenation or any anti-White activism in his past who thought to sneak in was hunted down and removed. I did not agree with everything, of course, but he at least addressed the problem… Read more »

blue collar dave
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Amen.
We are who we are because our ancestors hanged the antisocial element for 1000 years.
That’s why nig@ers are nig@ers, they didn’t get enough hangings.
Bring back lynching and everyone will benefit.

james wilson
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Who is “we”? The intelligent have already voluntarily limited their own breeding (severely) and volunteered (insisted) that the unintelligent be paid to breed.

Severian
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Exile, re: refusal to breed as a biological failsafe, I wouldn’t be surprised. It strikes me like the theory of “situational homosexuality” (wish I could remember who said it). Even if you assume that prison rape is 100% about dominance, it seems like there’s a LOT more homosexuality in prison than even that would account for. But it happens in the free world, too — e.g. all those stereotypes about the navy back in the age of sail. Cargo space being what it was, they couldn’t be at sea longer than a few months… and yet, if the stories are… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Human males with high testosterone have a high sex drive and need release. being social animals they take opportunity . Prison sex isn’t all that common anyway and tale of sea wives are exaggerated somewhat for the shock and titillation value This is also why prostitution was tolerated in the past , better a minor sin (seeing a hooker) than opportunistic homosexuality or adultery As for current gayness , society puts a social premium on being gay, it is in Jim’s words high status so more men some who are somewhat bIsexual, are willing to give it a whirl It’s… Read more »

Mis(ter)Anthrope
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I am a criminal defense attorney and a lot of my clients have been to prison. They tell me gay sex in prison is mostly a negro thing. The Whites and Mexicans shun their co-ethnics who do it.

The negroes believe that it is not gay to stick it in another man, but it is to receive it. Makes no sense to me, but that’s negro logic for you.

Prussian
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Prussian

“…they absolutely must reconstruct their society along Spartan lines.” I agree, but I think the problem lay in liberalism and liberal ideas, and that an illiberal Right system, with an illiberal Right elite propagating “Spartan” values downward to society, could cope with “universal prosperity.” Something very much tied into all this is that liberal universalism advocates bringing prosperity to the whole of the globe, via a universal liberal individualism (with some universalistic collectivism mixed in, appeals to the good of the whole of humanity, while appeals to rights and freedoms in the name of universalism are individualistic in nature), a… Read more »

blue collar dave
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Europeans?
WTF?
Whites in the US are only 60%.
Europe is still 85-90% white.
I don’t grok.

John Q Public
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It’s not either/or. Moldbug defines the myth of “Human Neurological Uniformity” as one of the key collective delusions of the Cathedral state. But you’re still going to have to build a building with that crooked timber, and social structure matters a great deal. Liberal democracy is has proven to only “works” with high IQ, low time preference, altruist peoples, and it doesn’t work very well even with them. We should not be surprised that it works even worse for others. That is the real upshot of Steyn’s point about Haiti and Barbados.

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

Fundamentally, people have a hard time with probabilistic thinking. So concepts like IQ distribution curves just confound them. It’s also why lotteries are so popular.

Member

I once tried to explain to a relative how a bell curve distribution works. I even drew diagrams. I still remember the blank stare they gave me after I had finished.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I was once a bit confused by the exceptions until I read the Bell Curve back when it was published. Looking at the actual Bell Curve diagrams was like the sun rising to me. Now, everything made sense. This is the kind of stuff that should be taught in schools.

James O'Meara
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James O'Meara

You don’t need any STEM learning to explain the fallacy of “not all are like that.” You guys dismiss philosophy as “unscientific,” reduce everything to math, and then wonder why you can’t explain your ideas to people.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Hang onto your copy of The Bell Curve. If present trends continue, it will be a banned book in 20 years. No foolin’.

Penitent Man
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Penitent Man

Ostei,

I do not doubt you are correct as more thought becomes verboten and books are banned.

Leftists constantly use the trope “the children are our future” to bully us into their latest utopian dictate. I agree. Nothing is more delicious to youths than that which is forbidden.

There’s hope in that.

Lineman
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Lineman

PM When Commies tell me that, I tell them My children are My Future not yours so fook off…

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

My copy is displayed prominently on my bookshelf!

Soverytired1
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Soverytired1

Excellent advice. I’ve been collecting hard copies of TheZman’s “Essential Knowledge “ books for months. Hard copies. There’s plenty available, mostly cheap if you avoid amazon (who bans books!) and buy used. Hell, I get most of them from the UK.

One more for the forbidden cannon library.

Compsci
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Compsci

Wolf, it is taught in school, even some high schools. Any basic statistics and measurement class. Without such an understanding, the statistics would be meaningless. However, I grant that one intro class may not be enough for one to develop an intuitive grasp of what’s going on.

Firewire7
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Firewire7

Yes. I’m sure all those teachers will be doing that super well

TomA
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TomA

What persists is what “works” in any particular environment. The negroid race of sub Saharan Africa is well adapted for that environment and reflects the traits that work best there. They are optimized for it. That is a good thing for the peoples of that place. And that statement is not a value judgement, it is reality. Deny it at your own peril.

DLS
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DLS

Maybe 10,000 years ago. South Africa and Zimbabwe say otherwise.

Compsci
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Compsci

DLS, I get what you’re driving at. :-). But TomA was anticipating I am sure a future SA and Zimbabwe of of mud huts and a population in loin cloth. And for that, they are quite adapted. 😉

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

And on the aggregate are happier than we are too. Misery is White Man’s true burden

Back in the day when noticing wasn’t verboten , Danny Kaye and the Andrews Sisters even sung about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU

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James LePore

Boot and Young want to be in solid with the Committee for Public Safety when the Reign of Terror begins.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

Mark Steyn is a Baby Boomer. Boomers seem practically hard-wired to fall for blank-slate equalism. And it doesn’t matter whether they are liberals, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, or whatever. Their entire generation is incapable of even entertaining the most obvious answer of all. I essentially write them off. Boomers are not the future (thank God). We should set our sights on younger people — who aren’t having it nearly as good as the Boomers had it and will thus be much more receptive to unsavory reality.

Member

If you noticed, Zman avoided the “B” word and went with “most men of his age”. Take his lead and don’t be a resentful idiot. For one thing you are wrong. Surprised you didn’t bring up the pillow meme.

As for younger people, again you are wrong. An old Boomer maybe can break his conditioning and think differently. Younger ones for the most part have a different mind fuck that happened (happening) to them. So, pray hard.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

I’m not resentful toward Boomers. They are products of their era. I also recognize that there are exceptions to what I’ve observed about their generation (Jared Taylor is a Boomer). Another common Boomer trait is extreme sensitivity toward criticism. Which ultimately makes the criticism look true.

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No.

Dr. Mabuse
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Dr. Mabuse

Well, I’m a Boomer (born 1959) and I’m fully converted to the reality of intelligence and temperament differences within races. What I’m lacking is courage in openly admitting it, because the opposite has been orthodoxy for decades, and I was thoroughly marinated in the lie that underneath, all people are the same, all through my formative years. It’s only VERY recently that race realism has been discussed in anything but the most stereotyped joke-redneck terms, so I think you’re a bit impatient to expect huge numbers of converts coming out in public. I’m also extremely sensitive to criticism, but I… Read more »

Wkathman
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Wkathman

I don’t expect huge numbers of Boomers to publicly convert to race realism. And the fear of coming out about such things makes a ton of sense, especially because people’s careers and reputations can be destroyed if they utter a single word against orthodoxy. My original commentary about Boomers was perhaps overly harsh. It was largely based on my own anecdotal experiences — which have revealed the vast majority of Boomers to be dyed-in-the-wool blank slatists. That said, most people of every generation subscribe to the same foolish notion. Superstition and aversion to reality are the norms among humans. When… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Boomers are probably in the main, blank slaters, and why wouldn’t they be? The majority probably grew up as CivNats in Whitopias. How does one know what one does not experience? I grew up in NYC, and got jumped by a dozen or so of our vibrant when I was 12. Did it make me a race realist? You bet. Did I know what I know now, no. Such thought/understanding had not been developed yet.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I’m the same age and gender as you, but unlike you was redpilled at an early age. It helps to live in a suburb of Newark, NJ. I developed an interest in conservative thinking as a teenager via George Will and then borrowed from library “The Suicide of West” by James Burnham. Talk about an eye opener. Another eyeopening book that I read was “The Burden of Brown” by Raymond Wolters. I first learned of it from an article in the local rag that it won the prestigious Silver Gavel award from the American Bar Association as best book of… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Thank you for the book tip, hadn’t come across that one before…

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

You’re welcome. I recommend the book. Got that one from the library, too. The only conclusion that a sane person could draw from the book was that White parents were justified in seeking to avoid sending their children to school with appallingly-behaved Blacks in the 1950s.

Even mainstream “conservatives” nowadays would call those parents “racists.”

Lineman
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Lineman

Yea anything that is done for self preservation from whites is racist now but celebrated for anyone else…

John Smith
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Me too, I suppose. Born ‘64, right between the boomers and Gen X. Raised by Boomer shitlibs, got shafted repeatedly by diversity and economics and age demographics that afflicted Gen X, and took the red pill as a very large, very painful suppository. It’s easy for these younger types to be arrogant about it as they have 20/20 hindsight. They are not old enough to realize the world was a very different place back then, and pressures on society are nothing like they are now. Like all younger generations, the world is all about them, they have all the answers… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

The virtue-signalers either move or send their kids to private schools and the reason given is that the schools are no good. They avoid the demographic issue like a vampire avoids garlic.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

I never meant to imply that my generation would do better for the world than Boomers have done. I’m from Generation X. By no means do we boast a stellar track record. In fact, it seems that my generation has been largely nondescript. We’re much more cynical than Boomers. That’s about all I can say for us.

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

As wonderful as Mr. Taylor is, and that is sincerely said, he still thinks talking to the media could help our thing.

It’s an example of boomer thinking that seems to be hard-wired into the man. Some part of them still thinks: (1) reasoning is possible with the enemy, and (2) the press is somehow going to be a little bit honest or reasonable.

At this point taking to the media just gives them more material to shape their lies. I enjoy watching Mr. Taylor speak but I mentally scream at the screen when he talks to the press.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

Mixed feelings about the matter of whether or not to talk to the media. It’s always a trap and it ends up being a mistake more often than not. However, if you listen to Taylor’s whole interview with CNN’s Zakaria, Taylor absolutely smokes the guy by any reasonable assessment. Zakaria comes off as completely out of his depth. Did Taylor provide CNN some material that they could cut up and use to demonize so-called white supremacists? Undoubtedly. But very few people watch CNN these days. And the handful who do watch already hate race realists to begin with. Taken in… Read more »

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

I think Taylor holds his own pretty well but most others don’t. There probably isn’t much to be gained.

I tried listening to the AMREN podcast but it’s so amateurish. Phones ringing in the background and poor sound quality. I wish they would put a bit more effort into the the production.

Compsci
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Compsci

Taylor holds his own in all press interviews and then some. You mistake what Taylor’s greatest contribution is. He’s not out to convert the enemy, the Leftist progressive, hostile newsmen, and such. He’s out to convert the questioning and confused. The fence sitters so to speak.

As more and more people come to think, something’s not right here, Taylor is a voice they may run into via those hostile interviews you cringe at. He’s a barker of sorts at the carnival sideshow. He pulls them in.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Whatever Taylor’s motives for talking to the media, I consider him a national treasure. He calmly took apart Zakaria’s hostile questions, and always does the same in every interview I’ve seen. I realize CNN won’t show the entire interview, but it’s there for anyone who wants to change a friend’s mind or anyone who wants to sharpen their own arguments for future discussions with egalitarians. We’re lucky to have him on our side.

Gene Kronberg
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Horseshiite. You made several smears and your tone of contempt is plain as day. You’re a whinging little brat. You’re a failure at life: you have no concept in that childish brain of yours that life is hard, unjust, doesn’t give a shiite, and that the conditions of its difficulty vary from generation to generation and from person to person; each generation and person makes the choice he and his family can make based on the options, knowledge, and social position available to them.

Exile
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Exile

“Generations are a social construct and you suck b/c I’m butt-hurt” isn’t going to fly around here. Commenters are hard, unjust, and don’t give a shiite.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Watching narcissisic Millennials attack narcissistic Boomers is for me the final proof of that old “I hope you have children exactly like you” curse.

Exile
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Exile

As an older Xer, I’ve seen little evidence of Based Boomer Breakout and have little hope for one. Less than 1 in 20 over-60’s I’ve ever known well enough to know their politics is anything “darker Right” than Reaganite. Younger gens have the advantage of seeing the sacred cows of our generations gored by reality – America World Liberty Police, capitalism, college, nuclear suburban families, etc… They’re experimenting with even worse ideas in many cases, but our shibboleths have been shambling around since WWII, and the stale intellectual decay they’ve created by hanging around too long is largely to blame.… Read more »

Squiddly Diddly
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I have a ten year old nephew who is pretty bright. One day I was sitting with the kid’s parents and we were having a grown-up conversation about politics, but the kid was listening in. Our talk was sprinkled with the alphabet-soup gobbledygook about Generation X, Y, Z, and so on. The kid looked confused and turned to his mother.

“Mom,” he asked, “if they’re already at Generation Z, then they ran out of letters. What Generation am I gonna be?”

“Son,” I told him, “you’re gonna be Generation NRA.”

Lineman
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Lineman

@SD
Or the Burn It Down generation…

Anotheranon
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Anotheranon

Barely-boomers of Steyn’s cohort still had the advantage of full education (meaning statistics, history, unadorned sciences, comparative lit) instead of today’s dept of Ed coaching in self-hatred, Identity Group Studies, crap math and playground seat belts. Some of his classmates became geneticists, others Peace Corps crusaders. He knows both worlds quite well. Steyn’s childhood coincided with life pre-LBJ welfare state dependence. He lived it: sleeping with doors unlocked, keys left in the car ignition and all of the luxuries of a high trust society. He remembers. Trump, being older, has seen even more drastic contrast of then vs now. Both… Read more »

Member

With all due respect to our host I don’t see the need to turn this into a generational thing. He wrote, “Like most men his age, Steyn is incapable of thinking clearly about race and ethnicity.”

But in the U.S. today that is true of most men of any age.

The ability to self-insulate is probably a better predictor than age. If Boomers seem more oblivious than others it’s probably because their money buys them comfortable ignorance.

Wkathman
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Wkathman

Boomers can afford to be more oblivious than younger people — not simply because of the wealth Boomers have, but also because they have less time left. Many or even all of them may not be around once the shit really hits the fan. So their attitudes are understandable.

Mis(ter)Anthrope
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I am a late boomer born in 1960. I have been a race realist since junior high school. But I grew up in unique circumstances. I was bussed from military bases into majority black schools in junior high and high school. It was a miserable experience. I had to fight negroes on a regular basis. I saw several of my white friends taken away from school in ambulances from beatings and stabbings. In hindsight, I’m glad I went through it. I learned it is better to get your ass kicked a few times than to back down. As long as… Read more »

Member

Steyn gets paid for his magical thinking. If he strays outside the establishment box too far, he will disappear from TV and radio. Basically, Steyn self-polices his speech in order to continue getting the big checks. Limbaugh is the same. They know how far the leash will allow them to stray.

Member

Agree

Vegetius
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Vegetius

But how much is enough?

A wise man once said, “What is the use of having Fuck You money if you never say Fuck You to anybody?”

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Ostei Kozelskii

Trump is slowly shifting the proverbial Overton window rightward. During his second term it will move far enough to the right that people such as Steyn will be able to publicly acknowledge race reality.

james wilson
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By all appearances Trump is now moving left. And second terms are historically losers for their base, Washington and Jackson excepted. Oh, and FDR, but his base were losers so they were winners.

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Ostei Kozelskii

One step leftward, two steps to the right. That’s his method. I wouldn’t put much substance into his statements in the immediate aftermath of El Dayton. As for second terms, I wouldn’t put much stock in past trends when it comes to predicting Trump. He’s a different kind of an animal. And once reelected, I expect him to push as hard to the right as possible.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

I don’t have much faith in Trump, but there is no question that his rhetoric – and the reaction it produces – has produced a feedback loop that is changing what we talk about and the way we talk about it, in a way that I believe will ultimately benefit us. So long as there is no war, amnesty, or gun grab, four more years of the same seems better to me than any other alternative. A lot of people I respect don’t agree with this. I have tried to understand their view but I just can’t see how it… Read more »

Anotheranon
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Anotheranon

Agreed James Wilson. Trump didn’t need to cede ANY ground on Monday. He had nothing to gain, and much to lose from doing so. His unforced error could lose him the election if he doesn’t firm up – and fast. Never seen him ever make a propaganda mistake before this. Miller and Brannon must be pulling their hair out.

james wilson
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No. Steyn is a true believer. The fact that he has to fight off the left just to stay in the center is not evidence that he is other than a true believer. Limbaugh may have other thoughts. Or not. Who cares. He’s more attuned to selling soap than arguments.

Member

Soap? No. Security systems.

akajhon
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akajhon

whose meat i eat,his will i do….

MikeatMikedotMike
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MikeatMikedotMike

I agree with you as far as the racial stuff goes. He is also soft on the JQ. But he was one of the few guys writing about the inevitable catastrophe that is unchecked immigration 15 years ago. he has also relied on scientific data to debunk the perpetuating myth known as AGW. He has been a huge critic of Islam, to the point where he had to stand trial in Canada for hate speech. He has also been the subject of a bogus defamation lawsuit for almost 10 years, filed by Michael Mann, costing him 1000’s of dollars in… Read more »

Marko
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Marko

That’s the great difference between Europe and the US: European whites have a duty, I believe, to defend their nations and throw out the intruders, as well as their white enablers. In the US, this is a pipe dream. The US has never been an ethno-state, and we are too far gone as it is, and too big. The best Euro-Americans can hope for is a political bloc, or else form a separatist community somewhere.

Another Dave
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Another Dave

This is true, and many Europeans are getting serious about the migrant phenomenon before it’s too late.Eastern Europe doesn’t even have serious immigrant populations yet, and seems intent on keeping it that way. The exceptions are England and France, where it looks to be too late in terms of the sheer size of their immigrant populations. Germany wants to destroy itself due to misplaced guilt over WWII, and Sweden wants to erase itself just to prove Scandinavians can do everything better, even mass suicide. Salvini is pushing back hard, and has widespread support. America, on the other hand, is lost,… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

As part of the present Second Founding “United States” I don’t see a future for Whites long-term. I’d like to have an option for Whites either here or elsewhere for Whites to check out of the US project and check into something for them as the spiral progesses downward.

Skarsnik
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Skarsnik

UK and France are 80+% white? so not sure it’s wise to write them off if you can claim that a motivated 50% white America could save itself.

Exile
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Exile

One of the crucial issues I want to debate with an American White Identity project is scale. I’m open to persuasive counter-argument, but I’m 90% convinced that for AWI to have a chance, it would need drastic downsizing and consolidation. If we try to straddle the continent. regionalism, politics and sheer issues of physical logistics will prevent us from forming an effective critical mass. I don’t think we necessarily have to leave America, but we do need to separate and consolidate.

SidVic
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SidVic

I would like to start in the mountains. And work our way down into the Lowcountry. I’m convinced it wouldn’t be too hard to turn Appalachia into a spooky no-go Zone. Maybe the same for the Rockies. The Mormons might constitute a kernel.

Exile
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Exile

Agree re: mountains, my heart’s with the Appalachians but the West has the wider open spaces, especially the colder climates like MT, WY, etc… When I started thinking about this years-back when I was more black-pilled on American White identity vs. Euro, I thought Greenland was the ticket (least populated land mass, out-migration rapidly thinning even that). Talk about K-selection territory. FWIW, I plan on checking out Greenland this fall as a leg on my Montana-Colorado/September to Copenhagen/October volkwander.

Educated.Redneck
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Educated.Redneck

Exile: try taking a look at Park County, Leadville, and southern Douglas County on your swing through Colo.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

My experience here in southern Utah, the Mormon church is extremely busy virtue signaling, walking on lips through busted glass to cast off the guilt and shame of being a whitey church, only as recently as 1978 allowing blacks into the church membership. This state is purposely rocketing as fast as possible to adopt the maladies of the dominant society. Also, church is giving money to the refuge resettlement outfits and still importing Others from Syria and elsewhere into Utah, then virtue signaling about it. Plus the church okays local elder missionaries to teach English as a second language to… Read more »

Brad
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Brad

Sid,

Mitt Romney will win by a landslide because he’s a Mormon. That’s as far as their thinking goes. Totally cucked.

Lineman
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Lineman

I second that, can we have a vote to proceed with that motion…😉

Henry
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Henry

I have heard some rumblings on the internet about moving to Wyoming. This is similar to the “Free State Project” the Libertarians sort of botched a number of years ago. I’m not in love with the idea.

It would be better if we had serious legal minds working on a long-run plan to devolve power from the federal government to the states, and from the states to the counties. This approach would be very difficult and would take a very long time, but it seems to me more practicable than the alternatives.

Exile
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Exile

Bringing us together in one low-pop remote “Poz-undesired” state is the best way to accomplish every goal short-mid-term. We can’t wait for or rely on some kind of multi-state mass Awakening, we need to physically come together. No top-down devolution of power is ever going to happen. The only devolution will come from soft secession, the simple inability or lack of will for central authorities to enforce their will on physically or politically outlying entities. Right now every one of us, legal minds and otherwise, has a plan but none of us has any power.

Henry
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Henry

I didn’t have in mind a mass Awakening — although a successful example of counties standing up to states can spread quickly. Look at the recent 2A sanctuary county movement. ‘Devolve’ was the wrong word because, as you mention, it is top-down. The biggest drawback of moving to one or two low-population areas is that you need a sufficient number of like-minded people to push back against the efforts of the states or the incumbent county politicians, and that requires a sufficient # of available jobs, which requires productive capacity that will be very difficult to achieve in an area… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

The job opportunities are here in the Bitterroot Valley where I am at…The land isn’t quite as cheap as it was back when I started advocating for people to move here but it’s not out of anyones price range that works here…I have been able to get a few here and there to move here but nothing of any substantial nature that we are able to away the politics a little more to the right as of yet…You all are still welcome to come check it out and I will show you around if able…

Henry
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Henry

Good to know – thanks

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

That’s a nice area. It’s on my list.

Lineman
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Lineman

Well let me know when you guys are in the area and I will buy you a beer or a steak…

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

At my gun club, I know two people who plan to move to Idaho.

Lineman
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Lineman

Tell them to check the Bitterroot Valley out…I haven’t had one person that visited here say they didn’t like it…

BerndV
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BerndV

Or consider the Flathead Valley here in NW Montana. It is a bit more expensive but is very conservative and extremely white. I too would be happy to show anyone here around the area and roll out the welcome mat.

Lineman
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Lineman

Hope you’re doing well Brother and we need to get together soon with the rest of the boys…

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Henry, you’re wrong about the libertarians botching the Free State Project in New Hampshire (Mark Steyn’s state, not incidentally). The project continues, and is even accelerating. While it is marketed primarily to libertarians, every red-pilled individual should consider New Hampshire as a home (after all, when deciding what to do in our lives, the first question is WHERE to do it, i.e. geography…a question becoming ever more important, times being what they are). You can read all about the Free State Project, and why you may want to move there, at https://www.fsp.org/nh/.

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Ostei Kozelskii

A separate ethnostate it must be. And it will be.

Dutch
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Dutch

I’m open for a separate ethnostate, but I think it is important to fight them everywhere, all the time. I live in Commiefornia, but there are a lot of people here who either explicitly understand and support our thing, or are open to it as they question what is going on. In Murrieta, for example, the locals a few months ago met a bus load of government sponsored “settlers”, and wouldn’t let them off the bus, and they ended up going elsewhere. Having met Lineman f2f recently (which we all need to do as much of as we can with… Read more »

Carrie
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@Dutch
So: logistical question: you met “Lineman” in person.
How did you guys do that, from a logistics perspective, in terms of getting in contact away from the comments thread of this stie?

Hopefully my curiosity isn’t going to necessitate divulging any op sec considerations.

Thanks.

Lineman
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Lineman

He posted a throwaway email address on here and then once I contacted him and he verified it was me we exchanged numbers…

Dutch
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Dutch

This is one of the things we talked about, how to arrange for the regulars here to contact each other offline, and build out a network of contacts without blowing each other’s cover. Z-man has an e-mail address for each of us, perhaps there is a way for him to co-ordinate phone/offline contacts for those of us who are interested in doing so. Think about other ways of maybe doing this. I found that getting face time is very important, and you can talk about a lot of things more openly when it is not being posted publicly.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I agree with all of this.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

That’s why I think America will fail. But the people will still be here. Some portion of America will likely become an ethno-state.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

Roseanne Arquette is ashamed of being White and has apologized for being White.

Member

I’m ashamed she’s white too

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

She’s a fellow white

Arquette was born in New York City, the daughter of Brenda Olivia “Mardi” (née Nowak; 1939–1997), an actress, poet, theater operator, activist, acting teacher, and therapist, and Lewis Arquette, a film actor, screenwriter, and producer.[1] Her paternal grandfather was comedian Cliff Arquette. Her mother was Jewish, from a family that emigrated from Poland and Russia

Member

Of course. That’s pretty much as common as crazy people bonding over their ‘shared mental health issues’. Seriously, start paying attention to that phrase. It pops up constantly

Federalist
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Federalist

Roseanne Arquette is ashamed of being White … and her mother was Jewish. Big surprise.

Is she ashamed of being Jewish?

Robert Slanton
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Robert Slanton

Steyn’s income is too dependent on believing in the blank slate.

His star has already waned considerably from where he was during the dubya years.

I don’t think the wants to resort to begging for donations on a blog.

Member

Ironically, Steyn did get booted from the National Review for being too much of a realist.

Member

You just wrote a well-reasoned justification for making Zman wealthy via our donations.

Member

All things point to an ethnostate.
https://youtu.be/k2h9HPZhqHE

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Obligatory: Steyn was born in Toronto on December 8, 1959.[citation needed] He was baptized a Catholic and later confirmed in the Anglican Church;.[3] He has stated that “the last Jewish female in my line was one of my paternal great-grandmothers” and that “both my grandmothers were Catholic”. It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. But it is even more difficult to get a man to understand something when HE FEELS that his safety depends on NOBODY ELSE understanding it. (Crypsis) Most Whites would not naturally be inclined to… Read more »

Member

oh he get’s it more than we think he does. Just like Tucker, but hey, a mans got to make a living. Pat Buchanan get give help in that area.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“America Alone”- before Zman, there was Steyn to go to. One of the very few walking the tightrope.

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

Evolution doesn’t stop at the neck.

Does it stop at the synagogue door?

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Ostei Kozelskii

Where does Steyn say he considers himself a Jew?

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

You can carry the Iceland analogy even further if you use Bermuda. Cumulatively have spent months there professionally over the last twenty five years. Virtually all the black population came as free. The mix is around 50-ish black, a third white, and rest various mystery meat combos. Smart fractions are encouraged to be there—and non-smart fractions are highly discouraged from ever showing up. Every election there are always a few candidates running on the “honky hate” platform, but they are treated by everyone as cranks. They have a good thing going and nobody wants to fuck it up.

Sir Balin
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Sir Balin

I haven’t been to Barbados, but I bet it’s economy is represented by a thin rind of mostly European run resorts along the coast, and typical Haitian squalor within. There’s also a big medical school in Barbados, not run by the natives it can be assumed. That’s a huge bolster to the economy and insures a residing population of high iq folks. There are all these medical schools in the Caribbean, not accredited by the US, easy to get into, that are basically a racket for people desperate for status. I think one of the largest is in Barbados. People… Read more »

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

Albania is a weird example to use. Hoxha was one weird dude, and 40 years of being the North Korea of Europe is a tough one to shake off.

Member

“Europe’s leaders lack the stomach to defend their people, so instead they have embraced magical realism as a coping strategy. ”

Talked to an Italian guy who works over here about Salvini. I don’t think he was a fan at all — seemed and looked to be a lefty. His response was interesting though. Something along the lines that “Everyone knows this can’t go on (immigration) but nobody did anything about it until Salvini.” His view is that Salvini was inevitable.

UFO
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UFO

My experience in Italy was quite shocking. Even WITH Salvini in charge for 15 months, parts of the country looked like Africa. In the large cities, Africans were everywhere and at every tourist attraction. Singing, ogling at white women, selling beads, sleeping. There were also tons of Bangladeshis. However, there were still a majority of Italians, and it still felt like ITALY. I remember riding the subway, and it felt really, really nice, because it was full of Italians… one people… compare that with Toronto. That said, Italy clearly doesn’t have very long until it’s at a 3rd world level.… Read more »

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

The more interesting comparison to Iceland is Bermuda. Spent a goodly portion of my professional life in and out of there. Population is 50-ish % black, about a third white. All the black population came as free. Smart fractions are encouraged to be there, non-smart don’t get to set foot in the place. It’s Iceland with palm trees.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I think Steyn vs Derb/Z are ppl insisting their particular view through the telescope is the whole sky. The thing manifest to me is that what they are saying are not, necessarily, mutually exclusive. If Steyn had said ‘ideology/religion’ as well as culture, two things closely related to it and which I think he implicitly included, his case is not actually so easy to wash away. Derb even mentions the example that came to my mind, “why is North Korea North Korea and South Korea South Korea.” Good luck explaining that with biology and genetics. A far more important example… Read more »

guest
Guest
guest

>Europe’s leaders lack the stomach to defend their people

There are rumors that Angela Merkel allowed all these people in simply to avoid bad publicity, like she had when she was confronted with a crying Palestinian girl on TV.

It’s all feelz no reelz, laws be damned:

Angela Merkel criticised over crying refugee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qaxoX9MF0M

Carrie
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THe Merkel debacle is again simply because women were allowed in to politics in the first place.
ALL of the females should be thrown out of ALL western parliaments.
I know it will never happen before the coming Troubles (American or European; take your pick) of course.

But maybe after the Troubles here in America, the 19th Amendment will no longer be in force with whatever our European YT folks set up next.

I just can’t stand it when “leaders” like Merkel are so bloody feelings-based about everything. Makes me crazy.

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Felix_Krull

ALL of the females should be thrown out of ALL western parliaments

I don’t think that’s right. Ann Coulter believe that women should be stripped of their voting rights, but retain the right to run for office.

Also bit too harsh, IMO: we should simply take a page from the Mohammadan playbook and let women have one quarter of a vote. Say what you want about Mohammadans, but they know a thing or two about women.

james wilson
Member

Not too harsh. Democracy is harsh, and whenever it is seen otherwise it only becomes a disastrous civic religion. Nothing particularly wrong with the occasional woman in politics so long as women can’t vote her–or anyone else–in.

The very design of American government was so that the worst qualities of men could be channeled into positive outcomes–“supplying, by opposite and rival interest, in defect of better motives”. The best qualities of women–social facilitators and let’s all get along–would corrupt the beast entirely, and the Founders did not fail to understand that. We did.

Lineman
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Lineman

Well so Ann got it half right then…My thoughts are women should never rule over men because it is out of the natural order of things…It would be like saying men should be able to rule over God…

Bunny
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Bunny

Geeze. The distance between men and women is not so great as that between men and God.

Lineman
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Lineman

No it’s not so great but Christ was put as the head of man and man was put as the head of woman and when we as men and women try to mess with that order things get messed up….That’s all I’m saying…

Member

In the U.S., the voting gender gap can be completely explained by single women. Once married, they seem to be okay.

I don’t want any childless woman as a leader, that’s for sure. Makes them damaged goods.

Carrie
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You’re kidding, about muzloids knowing about women, right Felix?
Please, tell me you’re kidding and you don’t actually beilieve that garbage you just typed.

No. None. They know nothing about women. And the system of Izlam is evil.

I think you need to do more reading.

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Felix_Krull

You’re kidding, about muzloids knowing about women, right Felix? More tongue-in-cheek than outright kidding. For decades, I’ve listened to my betters exhorting me to exercise “mutual integration”, but I’ve yet to hear them propose which Mohammadan values we’re to integrate into. Well, I suggest that we can learn from Mohammadan family values: loyalty to kin, respect for elders, defend your brothers, be willing to die for your beliefs and for your tribe and, yes, maybe a woman sometimes needs the pimp hand for the sake of her own mental well-being. And Sean Connery agrees, so it must be true and… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Dear me, I almost forgot my favorite Connery anecdote: Connery is on set with Lana Turner, who is the mistress of Johnny Stompanato, L.A. mobster Mickey Cohen’s enforcer.

So Stompanato is insanely jealous and he drops in on the set, waving a gun around, making wop theatricals. Sean Connery takes his gun away, slaps him and frog-marches him off the set.

Actors were not always faggots.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Failing to understand that history is competition between people is what’s going to doom us. Just because white society has decided to reject racial reality, embrace egalitarianism and welcome people from all over the world doesn’t mean the newcomers will adopt the same ideas. Especially when the newcomers are vastly different than the white population. This isn’t like trying to smooth over differences between Germans and Italians, but a completely different ballgame when you’re being flooded with Somalians, Guatemalans and Indians.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

We NEVER got off the Darwinian treadmill. The illusion that we did is killing us.

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Felix_Krull

Failing to understand that history is competition between people is what’s going to doom us. The problem is that a hundred years ago, we won that competition by about a million laps, having utterly creamed every comer in every discipline. White people were so awesome that we forgot that there was a competition going on. That gave us the confidence to study and appreciate other cultures, because we did not fear competition, which in turn opened us up to cultural relativism. Christopher Hitchens was once asked something about identity in an early 2000s interview. “I don’t have identity issues”, Hitchens… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

The problem is that a hundred years ago, we won that competition by about a million laps, having utterly creamed every comer in every discipline. White people were so awesome that we forgot that there was a competition going on.

The problem succinctly stated.

Skarsnik
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Skarsnik

He’s half Jewish and did talk about it.
Not sure if it was Christopher or Peter but one recalls their mother remarking that the English were jealous of the Jews.
C. Hitchens lied a lot

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Felix_Krull

Hitchens stood up for David Irving, so there’s that – he even praised Irving’s work. He also got in trouble with his neocon friends for not singing from the Israel First hymn sheet. one recalls their mother remarking that the English were jealous of the Jews. Yes, that definitely sounds like something a Jew would say. I find it hard to believe, though. Even with the Ziovangelists, there’s an unmistakable note of condescension when they praise Jewry, like when libtards praise third-world cultures, but not actually bother to consume it.* That’s why Jews are so paranoid, they know that deep… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

This is what Amy Wax refers to as “cultural distance.” The nearer the propinquity, the better. The more distant, the worse.

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The ‘talented tenth’ is useless in a place like Haiti. The average is more important than the exceptions because the talented tenth live in a society that is dominated by the average. Schools are going to reflect the average. Taken to the extreme, if there are no schools, the talented tenth just become very good subsistence farmers. It also puts a lid on the actual level of achievement the talented tenth could achieve if they had schooling because the talented tenth of a 70iq society is going to be lower IQ than the talented tenth of a 100iq society.

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“History, geography and some good fortune made Europeans the dominant people on the globe … ” True statement, but I’d also add the Christo-centric presuppositions that tend toward the pursuit of cultural and technological excellence … the church’s doctrinal term is “the dominion mandate.” This is the “history” part of the equation, and obviously an essay can’t get into all the presuppositional philosophies. Yet we can’t ignore that religion played a critical role in the colonization variances of England, France & Spain. Every former English colony I’ve visited (and mentioned in the essay) has a semblance of remaining civilization based… Read more »

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Brad

Wave a magic wand. “If only those Somalis would all become Christians their DNA would change. They’d become docile, White pacifists, just like us.” You’re basically proposing egalitarianism and the blank slate theory through magic and religious evangelism. That is absurd. This reminds me of an old boomer I know who is the pastor of a large church. The church has a Christian school, but they’ve always had trouble with fund raising, so they turned it into one of those government funded ‘charter schools’ where kids are ‘sponsored’ and they bus in vibrant kids from urban areas to this formerly… Read more »

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Blacks tend to be more religious than Whites, but have always been worse behaved.

Is a warped way, Islam suits Blacks because it micromanages a believer’s life right down to the proper way to relieve herself and threatens draconian punishments for misbehavior. For example, chopping off a hand for stealing or killing a girl for talking to a fellow who isn’t a close relative.

CAPT S
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Nope, not proposing the blank slate theory … read what I wrote without insertion between the lines. I have a missionary friend to Kenya who has helped revitalize village after village via simple instruction in the 10 Commandments and ye olde Protestant work ethic. Some converted to Christianity and others didn’t, but the plurality of all men (previously wastrels and wife-abusers) now have jobs, support their families and are community leaders in reformation. That’s not to say that they are gifted in STEM studies, but it DOES mean that they have the wherewithal to work and govern themselves without machetes.… Read more »

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Brad said: “Now he’s turned his attention on trying to marry off as many white girls in the school to the vibrant boys to help pacify everyone.” So he’s going to sacrifice a few white virgins to the god of multiculturism. Who knows, maybe that magic Christian nookie will lure the gang bangers into church. They say the lord works in mysterious ways, but I didn’t know he had a interracial dating services. I guess even the Almighty has to move with the times.

Thorsted
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Thorsted

I think that Haiti have had several periodic riots and revolutions with ethnic cleansing of whites in 1804 and later also its mulatto population.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The harshest reality: way, way too many people, now spilling over the borders.

No idea what to do about that.

A.B Prosper
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It is more we can’t make the State do what needs to be done, i.e shoot invaders. Mines and automatic weapons work for even 80IQ types Truth is for the US a few drone strikes with the above would settle the problem. Either remove the elite or if you are more merciful, destroy the nations luxuries The leader if any nation will think twice about encouraging illegal immigration if his houses and property , his nation’s banking system and everything else gets droned The hardcore option last resort is bring back the neutron bomb , lacking that gas and germ… Read more »

Carrie
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Amen Prosper.

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I believe it was Steve Sailer who espoused the theory that Barbados is relatively high functioning because it was the first, or at least one of the first, stops for ships in the trans-Atlantic slave trade so the best slaves were purchased in Barbados. Conversely, Haiti was one of the final stops, so they were stuck with the dreck.

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Europe will be a bellwether example of the coming crisis. We can go to school on how they respond and learn from their experience. Elites of every stripe will keep their head in the sand until their standard of living is compromised, then they will panic, as all incompetents do. Ancient wisdom matters. Make yourself as robust as possible. Stay out of cities when the chaos begins. Keep your head down and wait for the initial carnage to lapse. Use your wits. The strong and the smart will endure.

Yves Vannes
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Last year a young physics student at Columbia got into a public tiff that went viral with some vibrancy scholarzzz. “Hee stuupidd, youz stuupidd!” Was repeated and repeated and repeated. The cognitive distance between the scholarzzz and mountain gorillas/chimpanzees is literally roughly half of the cognitive distance between the scholarzzz and this boy. Blank Slate put these two in the same environs. This little scene is not uncommon. It goes on all day every day in one form or another on many if not most university campuses. This also includes an increasing gap and growing tension among faculty. Many of… Read more »

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Steyn’s a classic example of the crippling limitations of the mayo side of the Western political kosher sandwich. Given his edgy flirtations with race realism when it comes to Arabs, Aborigines and other woggish misfits in his anachronistic Anglophile worldview, I don’t think he fully buys into the blank slatist/race is a social construct dogma of the brown mustard side of the kosher sandwich. But he absolutely cannot tread on the third rail that is race realism. The fact that he’s been forced to self-fund his Mann case defense by National Review (who Shoah’d him after making a mild crack… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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I kinda like Steyn too. His favorite tag line ‘Im an imperialist a century past my sell by date’ is a good example of English eccentrism. The question is how much he really rejects race realism. He hasnt worked that angle very hard, I think words are being put a bit into his mouth here. But for sure, if he does reject it, he is wrong.

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I’ve vacationed in Antigua which is very similar to Barbados. Around English Harbour – where Nelson used to harbor his fleet – there are many nice, friendly, seemingly intelligent lighter brown people – no coincidence. We did an island tour of the interior. Our guide / driver explained how their tiny island nation beats the UK in cricket. The slave-owners used to store their biggest / strongest slaves in the neighboring island of Barbuda and send the female slaves over their to get knocked up. Hence the Antiguans can beat the white boys in sports. That guy was a race… Read more »

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” Our guide / driver explained how their tiny island nation beats the UK in cricket.”
Neat trick.
The UK doesn’t have a cricket team.

bill
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Neither does Antigua
The West Indies competes at international level

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I used to be beguiled by the ads for Caribbean vacations with miles of pristine beaches. Then I got assigned to Jamaica for my 18 months of consular hell. Yes, Jamaica was a British colony and had/has its smart fraction, but it’s utterly insufficient to overcome the drag from the rest of the population. I met some nice people there – quite wealthy – the guy was probably 95% White and his wife was perhaps 50-60% White. Knew various other “Whites” who had bits and pieces of other ethnicities mixed in – Whiter than Rihanna but still obviously 10-15% something… Read more »

Exile
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Most overrated vacay destination ever. I’m for peaceful co-existence IRL but the idea of using Jamaica for Great White Fleet 3.0 shore bombardment exercises will likely sneak into some of my future-fan-fiction at some point.

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Many of the non-State people at the embassy, who I preferred hanging around with (marines, communicators, etc.), openly said Jamaica was a great place . . . for the neutron bomb.

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Barbados was both the birthplace of Neville Goddard, the greatest exponent of the Western Esoteric Tradition in the XXth century, (and who looked and sounded like Cary Grant) and the home of his guru, a “black Ethiopian rabbi” named Abdullah; they met up in NYC. Neville’s family founded Goddard Enterprises, from a grocery store in the ’30s to the largest global conglomerate based in the Caribbean. White guy + talented 10th is an unbeatable combination. You can read all about in in muh book.

Ian Smith
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Ian Smith

Milo would agree with you on that one.

James O'Meara
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James O'Meara

I’ve shut down SJW’s talking about “check your White privilege” by pointing out that my mother was West Indian. Of course, she was the daughter of a Welsh Presbyterian missionary. Works every time.

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I prefer: “suck my white privilege”.

Social Jihadis and other delusional lefty hate peddlers don’t deserve to have their idiocy engaged.

We can’t allow them to steal our language and use it against us. Nor can we self-dilute our identities in order to avoid the latest round of hate.

When they poopytalk like that either tell them to GFY or respond to them as if they were a retarded child, “you poor dear, i hope things do get better for you” or “…it must be hard for you” that kinda thing. They mustn’t be taken seriously.

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that’s playing their game lol.

you’re on the defensive there. “I’m not white!” you exclaim, running away from your white identity.

Instead, just be like “yeah, and? my point still stands. GFY”

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Since the Amish will inherit the Earth, things are looking up! At least for North America that is. What is amazing to me is how birth rates have changed so much. In the 1970s, the average number of children a Mexican woman had was 7. Now they are below replacement rate. Nothing is truly constant. If the Amish can keep it up for 200 more years though, like they have the past 100, that will be something to see…

Mac
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Mac

Shoo-fly pie for everyone!

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Ostei Kozelskii

Mac, you can have my portion of scrapple…

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

I for one welcome our ever-bearded overlords.

james wilson
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There isn’t enough farmland to support that theory. Hasidic Jews on the other hand don’t need farmland.

A.B Prosper
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Farmland can be made from in less inhabited cities and other areas using permaculture and other techniques Also in 200 years the overall population will probably have decline by 2/3 or more from a combination of low fertility and collapse scenarios That said a city filled with Hasidim wouldn’t be Western though it will be industrious Future USA made of deeply religious people’s will not be modernity to speak of and instead might well be an unstable mix of religious states , a 30 years war waiting to happen Better than Brazil 2.0 but still ugh.

3g4me
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No, they just need a functional society and a lot of workers to parasite off of, so they can produce more heavily inbred children and memorize their talmud.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I’m no fan of the Hasidim and the Orthodox but in the US they all work. Israel OTOH has that issue but its not our problem

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

“Telling a few million Muslims they have to go back is not something our betters care to face.” – It’s not just our betters that can’t face that. We elect our betters. A democracy is set up to where you can’t even cut off minor welfare benefits, or even a simple driver license, from groups of people let alone deport them. Democracy creates a reality where the medicine needed to fix society is too bitter to for the population to take. We spit it out like three year olds. It must be administered by a newly empowered oligarchy under dictatorship.… Read more »

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Autocracy is not going to fix this without a serious reform of the elite. Both Democracy and Autocracy are the same thing, just Democracy uses kid gloves. Either way, you are ruled by a class of hereditary aristocrats, divided into the upper-middle class service elite and upper class ruling elite. I say reform and not replacement because revolutions and coups don’t really replace the elite, they just discipline it by making examples of the worst offenders. Even in Cloud City, most people are only going through the motions – indifferent to ideology. Dissidents are a small minority, but so are… Read more »

JR Wirth
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We absolutely need a changeout in the elite, and it can’t happen without an economic crisis. A large part of the problem is that the big problems themselves are being funded. Money does make the world go around. This includes certain tech companies that wouldn’t exist in an environment where credit is highly constricted. An environment that wouldn’t exist without deep pocketed individuals who made their money grifting the population in the media/defense/welfare/contractor/banking complex (I’m not saying “Jews” by the way, even though this screams “Jew” to some people). If only our society was governed by an elite that does… Read more »

Monsieur le Baron
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And I suppose elite status will pass to a bunch of loyal would-be kshatriya training for the day? Or perhaps to some unjustly deposed WASPs who were shuffled by Jews into internment camps? Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves is a myth meant to comfort the masses. When my family was young, Christ had not yet walked the earth. You drink coffee out of cups honoring a Plantaganet ancestor. Your economies are planned by Keynesian ideas of stimulus, the Keyneses who rode with William the Conqueror. That bloated toad, the EU, was spearheaded by a Habsburg. The presence of new money is what… Read more »

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@ Monsieur le Baron. I certainly agree with a good portion of your analysis. But one thing that’s been happening in the U.S. job market for a long time is the shrinking of the middle class. In every Capitalist economy it has always been the state of the middle class that predicted the future financial health of the nation. Now, if you go on any retailing website you see more and more shifting toward the bottom and top of the food chain. This means that the retailers believe that the two tear economy is by and large here to stay.… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Perhaps Steyn could explain the difference between Haiti and the Dominican Republic without recourse to race realism. The same island (Hispanola), but with different biological populations (DR mestizo and black, Haiti entirely black) and markedly different qualities of life, although DR is certainly no Xanadu. And I raise this point as someone who greatly respects Steyn.

Incidentally, I think the main reason so many otherwise intelligent people studiously deny race reality is not because they cannot face the truth, but because they know that asserting that truth means putting your livelihood, and perhaps your life, in grave jeopardy.

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Christopher S. Johns

This is never mentioned, but in the late 1930’s the Dominican’s fought a race war against Haitian invaders/squatters. Estimates of the dead run from some 12 to 30 thousand. The surprisingly accurate Wikipedia article relates the principal reason for the war: “Rafael Trujillo, a strong proponent of anti-Haitianism, considered the Haitians to be a racially and culturally inferior people. He saw Haitian migration as a detriment to the social and economic development of the Dominican nation.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_massacre

Anti-Haitian feeling remains strong in the DR to this day.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Exactly. And DR, even to this day, is trying to thwart Hatian illegals flooding into their country. One sympathizes…

Lineman
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Lineman

Yea and they have a wall to help them out unlike us…I wonder why the media doesn’t get on them about that… Probably because the DR would tell them to pound sand…

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Ostei Kozelskii

Well, if even the sainted Mestizos don’t want the negroes around, that looks pretty bad for the AWRs. I mean, they expect YT to be rayciss, but you don’t expect that sort of mortal sin from POC. And if POC are rayciss against other POC, what does that say about racism?

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3g4me

Meantime, both Haitians (generally 100% sub-saharan genetics) and Dominicans (almost all of them are 50% sub-saharan genetics) are here in their hundreds of thousands, blessing us with their diversity. A plague on both. Preferably bubonic.

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chas

In the end, U.S. president Franklin D. Roosevelt and Haitian president Sténio Vincent sought reparations of $750,000, of which the Dominican government paid $525,000 (US$ 9,149,826.39 in 2018 dollars). Of this 30 dollars per victim, survivors received only 2 cents each, due to corruption in the Haitian bureaucracy.[29]

A perfect ending to a terrible, but very instructive, story (one I had never heard of before now).

Mac
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Mac

I experience this every day, close up and personal.

Mac
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Mac

Feeling surrounded is a real thing. I live in the vibrancy of a Large Northeastern Financial Capital, AND I work in the carny business that Z loves to derogate (Sorry, Z). I am openly confronted with anti-white/straight animus every single day, on the street and at work. I choose to do my business here, so I’m not asking for any sympathy. I know nobody here doubts any of this. Just a report from the trenches. And letting you know that we’re out there where you might least expect.

Henry
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Henry

How do you respond to it? There are some people who think we should be more aggressive in denouncing anti-white statements when confronted with them.

Mac
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Mac

Well, nobody tells you that you didn’t get a job because you’re a straight, white man. But you know when you see who ended up getting that job. When someone tries to tell me about my “white privilege” or my “white supremacy”, I respond by calling that racism. I ask how would they would react if I told a black person to check their “black criminality”. It shocks them into a “does not compute” moment. I walk a fine line and live by my wits. I’m behind enemy lines. Maybe I’ll make inroads, maybe I’ll get the firing squad. Time… Read more »

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Z Man said: “If Europeans are unwilling to compete, then they will be overrun by their rivals. That too is reality, a realty that will not go away even if the deniers stop believing it.” There’s actually more work being done in Europe than here in the U.S. Here’s an artical from a website called ” United World” intitled: “The Lazarus Reflex: opposition to European mass-migration and the coming Second Wave.” https://uwidata.com/1699-the-lazarus-reflex-opposition-to-european-mass-migration-and-the-coming-second-wave/ Here’s an artical from a website called ” Sovereign Nation” intitled: ” European Elections: “The Battle for Europe has Begun” https://sovereignnations.com/2019/06/04/european-elections-battle-europe/ Here’s an artical from ” BreitBart” intitled:… Read more »

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Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I think this happens when a culture totally loses its selfconfidence. It could also have happened in Sweden or Britain or Minnesota, a low IQ barbarian invader goes wild w a sword. What cant be explained by genetics is why whites, who 100 years ago would have smiled bemusedly before shooting or hanging this sword-swinging uppety wildman, are now taking sucker punches and asking for more. That is complete cultural collapse and it may be biological, ie linked to testosterone levels or something. But it’s not genetic that we’re putting up w this crap, that’s for sure.

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darlok agnos

But it’s not genetic that we’re putting up w this crap No, it is not genetic, it’s historical. About 100 years ago was just before the bloody European Civil War. Many years after winning the civil war, one of Sulla’s favorite leisure time was making up the list of Marius’ followers to be crucified that week. Then on Wednesday the executions were performed. The victims had nothing to say, and if they wanted to speak they were not allowed to, and even if they would have been allowed nobody would care. This is just happening again, there is nothing new… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

Steve Sailer wrote about Barbados:

http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-barbados-so-civilized/?highlight=Barbados

The theory is that because Barbados was the first stop for slave ships, planters got the pick of the litters and purchased slaves from tribes that were noted for their docility.

Tank
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Tank

Of course Steyn knows the truth, but, like the Z-Man, he doesn’t talk about it in public using his own name. It won’t do anyone any good for him to be deplatformed.

Dutch
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Dutch

Good point. If Steyn had a “do over”, he might operate under a pseudonym and do a different sort of gig. But we all got to where we are today by different paths, and we all probably have some elements of “do over” baked in. My extended family is spread all over Southern California, and I never thought things would get this far, so here I am. I might get them all out someday, but things will need to get a lot worse before most would pull up stakes and go.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Pimpkin\'s nephew

In fairness to Steyn, he’s a known person, with a face and a name, disadvantages avoided by the faceless and nameless author of this blog.

I admire Steyn, an old theater critic dragooned into the culture war.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Pimpkin\'s nephew

Thought experiment: The Z-man is exposed with a picture, an address and a real name – Milton Frumpp, say, or Merle Scabeger, or maybe Gustavus O’Mally. He’s now in the public stage, and his comfortable criticisms of other public figures become, shall we say, softened?

If so, why?

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Pimpkin\'s nephew

The most dysfunctional nation in history, among nations that matter, is Russia. It’s a white nation that has generated great literature, science, and music. But the social systems spawned by this wayward country have all proven disastrous.

At a guess we mean ‘the English tradition of law and custom’ when we say ‘white.’ We don’t mean Russia, or the Austro-Hungarian Empire, or even France, and certainly not the Laplanders Knut Hamsun used to joke about in his novels.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

I would take any of those countries over anywhere in Africa any day of week, twice on Sundays, and three times on whatever day of rest Godless Marxists observe.

Pimpkin\'s nephew
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Pimpkin\'s nephew

Don’t get me wrong – I agree wholeheartedly. I would prefer life under the Romanovs or the Hapsburgs to what is coming: Hell, I’d prefer life in a hut among the Laplanders, tending to reindeer.

Someone
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Someone

There are plenty of libertardians out there who deny that race, IQ, and culture matter. They are worst than the leftist.

Lineman
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Lineman

@Someone
I would have to agree a leftist not in a group and if they feel they can trust you will talk about how awful blacks are and why can’t they just get their shit together a libertarian will go to the mat with you that everyone is the same…

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

https://www.menofthewest.net/soycialism/

8 minutes from the 2019 Convention for the Democratic Socialists of America. My fear has been replaced by contempt for our enemies. This is the reason why they import foreign shock troops. My teenaged sister could wreck that entire room armed with nothing more than a wiffle bat.

If you need some mindbleach to purge that mewling display of slave morality, listen to either of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYproGVY6FE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhg2zvalXc

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The problem with the CivNats is they won’t actually defend civility or the nation as it is necessary to do. It reminds me of the scene from Atlas Shrugged where John Galt is under house arrest and is asked how to fix things (by Mouch?). He replies to get rid of the Income Tax. “We can’t do that!” is the response. A simple example suffices. We need to end welfare for out-of-wedlock birth and discourage Divorce when there are children still growing up. Period. Name ANYONE who would actually end this dysgenic practice. Tomorrow. Have CPS seize the kids if… Read more »

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

Okay, Barbados is no doubt lotus-land compared to Haiti. But still. I’m tuning in late today, so apologies if something like this has already been said, and I acknowledge it is anecdotal: As far back as sometime in the ’90s, I was looking for a tropical holiday, and didn’t have the coin to go to Tahiti or some such. I had a customer relationship with a travel agent; this was before online bookings, when they still valued business other than round-the-world tours and luxury cruises. The agent suggested a week at a Barbados resort she’d been to recently on a… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Agree.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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We cannot share power in our own countries. That was the Great Mistake. Madness.

Bob Brodie
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Bob Brodie

You forgot the main reason: Steyn likes the money.

And he has to keep in good odour with his ‘special friends’.

Ian Smith
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Ian Smith

“There has always been a distinction between the “English-speaking peoples” and the rest of “the West”, and at hinge moments in human history that distinction has proved critical. Continental Europe has given us plenty of nice paintings and mellifluous symphonies, French wine and Italian actresses, but, for all our fetishization of multiculturalism, you can’t help noticing that when it comes to the notion of a political West – with a sustained commitment to individual liberty and representative government — the historical record looks a lot more unicultural and indeed (given that most of these liberal democracies other than America share… Read more »

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The real problem with race issues is that the questions cannot be investigated openly and honestly. I think a big difference in populations occurs as a result of “breeding” as opposed to straight up “race” differences. Dr Edward Dutton has a video about the importance of capital punishment for weeding out spiteful homicide genes. Europe did a better job of executing the spiteful mutant murderers than Africa did for thousands of years and I think that explains a lot of the difference. But we need real rigorous scientific investigations to truly understand.

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Difficult to judge a man on one conversation. Have you read Steyn’s “America Alone”? and “After America”? Might be a good idea before attempting to pidgeonhole him based on his demographic. There’s a reason he lives where he does. This is no spokesman for vibrance, but rather the opposite.