Why They Hate Us

It is conventional wisdom on certain parts of the Right that the anti-white animus we see on the Left is nothing but a practical solution to a political problem. For years, Steve Sailer has been pitching the idea that the Left has to keep its non-white auxiliaries focused on the evil white man. Otherwise they will notice they don’t like one another all that much and begin squabbling. The implication is the Left is not really anti-white. They just work that double-game for practical political consideration.

Another way to frame it is the Cold Civil War that John Derbyshire described twenty years ago. This imagines the political battle field as the good whites, the old Yankee coalition, versus the bad whites, the old Confederate coalition. The good whites use anti-bad-white language to recruit non-white auxiliaries. At the same time, the bad whites rely on subtle calls to racial solidarity to bring in whites from outside the Old South, including disaffected whites in good white areas.

The implication of this view is that the anti-white rhetoric is just a pose. The good whites are not really anti-white, as they themselves are white. As Joe Sobran observed decades ago, “In their mating and migratory habits, liberals are indistinguishable from members of the Ku Klux Klan.” This observed preference for their own kind not only undermined their moral claims, it motivated them to keep a firm hand on those non-white auxiliaries, which would make their coalition unwieldy and ineffective over time.

This way of imagining the Left is comforting, as it suggests they will come to their senses at some point and pull back from their suicidal leap into multiculturalism. It also means it is possible to appeal to their humanity and decency. This has been the path so-called conservatives have chosen since they lost the Civil Rights debate. Instead of confronting the Left, they have functioned as the conscience of the Left, but also as a loyal assistant, shielding the Left from a real opposition willing to fight.

What is becoming clear today is the rhetoric from the Left is not just a clever way to organize their coalition. It is not just esoteric language in the cold civil war. The Left really does hate white people. This is plain when you watch their candidates react to news events. They sound like ambitious pols in the African National Congress, trying to establish themselves as the cutting edge. Their favorite chant these days is to claim America is haunted by white supremacist going back to the founding.

This anti-white hysteria has its roots in the revising of American history after the Second World War. The America ruling elite stood not just as the rulers of America but the rulers of the free world. America was a global empire with a global elite. That required a new narrative and mythology to explain and justify this new reality. That new narrative was the second founding theory, which argued the Civil War was the second founding, finishing what was started in the original founding of the country.

As is usually the case, we can understand this by examining the obsequiousness of the co-called conservatives. This post on the ironically named American Conservative is a good example. Note the repetition of the idea of America’s original sin, which of course is slavery. The implication is that the original founding was flawed, as it maintain slavery, at that sin is with us to this day. Just as man’s struggle with original sin is what animates life on earth, the sin of slavery is what animates American history.

In this framing, the promise of America was the Declaration, but the result was the constitution adopted in Philadelphia. The starting point of “all men are created equal” gave way to the three-fifths compromise and the maintenance of slavery. You see, that is the original sin. The promise of the founding was subverted by those wicked slave holders in the South. This not only justifies a blood libel against those bad whites, it justifies endless self-loathing for the good whites, who went along with it.

The person to blame for turning an ancient rivalry between English cultures into an endless brother-war is the historian Harry Jaffa. His retelling of the Civil War is considered the starting point for the idea of the second founding. He is largely responsible for turning Lincoln into the American Moses. Eric Foner is another historian who promotes the notion that the Civil War was a second founding, or a completion of the first founding. Foner has a book conveniently titled The Second Founding due out this fall.

Now, this second founding that completed the first founding, re-centering the nation on the Declaration, rather than the Constitution, was not the end. After Reconstruction, blacks were not fully incorporated into society. Women did not have full legal rights. Jews, of course, were still excluded from the elite. Whites were still allowed to control their own lands. The story from the second founding to now is the process of rectifying those things and achieving the ideal of the Declaration.

In other words, we have slowly and steadily moved from a place where ending slavery in a bloody civil war fixed the defects of the first founding, to a place where making the rhetorical flourishes of the Declaration the religion of the land. The founding cannot be complete until all men are equal, which means as long as whites are seen as doing better than non-whites, the task remains unfinished. The conclusion of our rulers is that the second founding can only be completed when there are no more white people.

That’s how we got to this place where anti-white proselytizing is becoming something of a religion for the ruling class. It’s why bigots like Max Boot and Cathy Young are compelled to lecture white people on their failings. You’ll note these types never write columns about how Jews need to relax or consider their privilege. One does not have to be an anti-Semite to wonder why two Russian-born Jews feel the need to lecture American white people about their alleged moral failings.

Contra the anti-Semites, this is not part of some global plot. People like Max Boot and Cathy Young are not terribly bright, but they are ambitious. They stake out these positions because it helps them gain entry to the elite of their field. Boot, despite being wrong about everything for decades, has a perch at the Washington Post. Sarah Jeung landed a prized spot on the New York Times editorial board, based solely on her emotional rants against white people on Twitter. Today, hating white people is the key to success.


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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

….slavery is America’s original sin ….

Oh, I thought it was giving smallpox to the Injuns.

There is a pecking order among victims.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Chattel slavery in the Gulf was introduced when it was French territory. In other places when it was Spanish territory. Yet who gets blamed? Of course, the only people that sacrificed their own to eliminate it!

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

It’s not possible to reason with Leftists , they are driven by emotion, not logic

Most are not especially violent but a core element of them loves disorder and chaos and doesn’t care much about consequences if at all

If you want to understand more, read the old defunct Sipsey Street Irregulars blog

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

It was shut down 3 years ago on account of its founder Mike Vaderbough passing on . The thing that makes it valuable is the late Mr. Vanderbough was a Commie in college so he understood better than most how they operate and “think” such as it is.

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

He was an oddball, but his moments of startling clarity were worth it. I guess his son is still paying the hosting bill. Surprised the “proscriptors” haven’t gone after it.

Rcocean
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Rcocean

Americans didn’t give Smallpox to the Indians. Nor did we wipe them out. Nor did we steal the land. So, why do Americans believe this? Mostly its ignorance, but lots of them WANT to believe it. Even after you give them facts and figures they STILL want to believe we killed all the Indians and paid them zero for their land. Its Weird.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

>>>Jaffa was born in New York City on October 7, 1918, to Arthur Solomon Jaffa and Frances Landau Jaffa;[12] his middle name is a reference to World War I, which ended with the same year he was born. His sister was Lillian Anne Jaffa;[13] his grandmother was from Poland.[14] His family was Jewish<<<

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

The Amish stick their bearded beaks in everything!

There is no escape from The Humble. Those-Who-Ride-Buggies. The Solid Wood Mob. You know it’s true…

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

The Amish and the Jewish will rule the World!!
just wait until they start interbreeding.

Oh Noes!!!11!

Friendly Fred
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Friendly Fred

MWV, try taking walks in the park or reading ancient authors — you might start feeling better.

Exile
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Exile

Translation: go back to sleep, goy.

Friendly Fred
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Friendly Fred

“House Carpenter” performed by Jean Ritchie and Doc Watson is really interesting, eerie song — was immediately reminded of it when listening to Black Sabbath’s “N.I.B.”

Calsdad
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Calsdad

One thing that really peeves me off is when immigrants come in and start trying to lecture me about American history. One of the Chinese guys I work with got an earful one day when he tried to give the rundown on how badly the natives had been treated by white people. I told him he had his head up his ass and that respect for “Indians” is something that runs pretty deeply in TRUE American culture – and especially among the “dirt people” (I didn’t use that term because he wouldn’t understand). He kept insisting. I told him he… Read more »

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

Yeah. It’s rich for a Han to pop off about right and wrong or the value of human life. Their entire history is one insanely large bloodbath after another.

Or you could just say “Taiwan” and watch him loose his sh!t.

Lineman
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Lineman

@UP
Or you could just say “Taiwan” and watch him loose his sh!t.
Or bring up Tibet…

3g4me
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3g4me

I prefer “Han, go home.”

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

How about the mass internment of Moslem Uighers? Not that I have anything about interning Moslems, but throw it into his self-righteous face.

Member

Hey, America had a good run of seventy years or so, just took some time to really grind it into the ground. Look at all the great or near great nation states for millennia. There is an unmistakable arc of rise, complacency and fall. Just like what human beings go through in their lifetime.

I think we need another Tea Party to fix this, then for sure we will right the ship.(ok, sarcasm if you are not sure).

Monty James
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Yeah, getting back to Constitutional principles will do it. Hispanics have strong family values, they’re natural conservatives. Black unemployment figures are at historic lows. I’ve got my tricorn hat and knee breeches around here somewhere, give me a sec . . .

Member

It had better be a pretty strong brew of tea.

Member

Alaska Chaga tea, ask our host.

Exile
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Exile

Siberian chifir – the best part of waking up (in the gulag).

Monty James
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It’s gotten very dangerous. A sitting anti-white congressman has doxxed his own constituents in San Antonio. One shouldn’t be surprised, I guess, or expect responsible behavior from these people:

https://www.rt.com/usa/465931-castro-slams-trump-donors/

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

When you said “sitting Anti-White Congressman” I immediately assumed it was Eyepatch Cuck

Andy Texan
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He’s one of mine. As a millennial he’s very earnest and not very worldly. ‘Can’t we all just get along.’ He was on the radio yesterday answering critics. He wants to keep the dialog going rather than nix the arguments of the dims right off the bat. Obvious naif.

Lineman
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Lineman

When do you think white people will actually wake up to that fact and start doing effective things to counter it…Will we wait until it’s to late because we were too comfortable??? When will the talking turn to effective action???

Another Dave
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Another Dave

It IS effectively too late to right the whole ship. At this point we aren’t even rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, we are left with simply debating the best way to rearrange those deck chairs. POC smell blood and aren’t backing off or going away, and white liberals have created a quasi religion out of multiculturalism. So called conservatives are far too comfortable to do anything. The time for collective action was 50 years ago, and the response of most whites was to pack up and run away to the suburbs en masse, hence white flight. Civilizations rise and… Read more »

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Most “conservatives” I know – won’t even expend the effort to unfuck their own heads of left wing ideas.

If you won’t even do that – expecting something that actually requires physical movement is probably asking too much

Normie
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Very true.

Exile
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Exile

Get armed now, fam. Orange Judas Goat is the perfect delivery mechanism for “responsible gun control” as he makes a certain percentage of the White population comfortable enough to swallow measures they wouldn’t tolerate from Kabbala Haaretz et al. Don’t let your shitlib relatives know you have guns and start documenting their own nuttiness as future ammo for opposing their “red flag” harassment actions against you. Screencap their triumphalist Faceberg screeds about getting their hillbilly relatives’ guns taken away before the WaPo tells them to scrub that shit.

Christopher S. Johns
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Christopher S. Johns

And join your local gun club. You’ll get practice using your guns and meet and interact with other gun owners, the great majority of whom are already hostile to the left. If shit starts to get real, this is a logical place to organize the like-minded into effective resistance.

Normie
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What action are you talking about? Moving to bumfuk nowhere and hugging each other? Lol

Normie
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?

TomA
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TomA

The shrillness of the shrieking about whiteness is simply a reflection of their desperation. It is magnified now because they fear that their hold on political power may be at extreme risk. They have thrown the kitchen sink at Trump and he is still standing. They are parasites, and cannot exist without the teat of government to feed on. Trump threatens that. On the positive side, this behavior may well force the issue into the forefront and finally trigger a mass movement back to sanity.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

It’s not, though. Trump went from wanting to limit immigration, to supporting amnesty and the largest numbers of legals and visa-holders ever. Huh? We’ve been had.

Compsci
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Compsci

Return, that’s one interpretation. The other is that the proposal was to stop illegal immigration, chain migration, and at least accept the best and brightest from *all* countries on a merit basis. In politics, that’s called a deal. That also is the basis for most countries’ current immigration law—for example New Zealand—and I’ve not heard of New Zealand getting very much darker because of such.

Sorcerygod (visit www.dark.sport.blog)
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If the best and brightest are welcomed, we’ll see live-footage of those theoretical paper IQ tests per racial group getting a run-through.

Which group do you think will perform best? My guess is a sub-Saharan African riding on an ostrich with a spear as a lance will take the prize on Ellis Island that very special day.

Compsci
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Compsci

Not really. We use occupations/education as proxies for IQ. Those in professions and skilled trades, and hired by US firms to undertake unfilled jobs in industry pass a pretty stiff admittance criteria. What needs of course to be done is to *not* admit any applicants where there is no indication of occupational need. The H1b VISA fiascos in Silicon Valley and in corporate slimes like Disney are unacceptable. And I’m not going to argue that such corruption is not endemic or will go away on its own, but it will be better than millions of subsistence farmers from Peru, Guatemala,… Read more »

Normie
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Ha! Trump has exploded thebyearly defict and has done more for minorities than Obama ever could (prison reform.) Keep drinking the Orange coolaid and thinking Trumps winning. Hes done nothing but get sites like this a cenemeter away from being scrubbed.

Carrie
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Normie:
I’d respect your argument a bit more if you were capable of spelling it all properly.

OK. Who am I kidding? Not really.

H I
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H I

Yet Jaffa is the intellectual father of the Claremonters, who are the closest to American nationalists we have in Academia today (see American Greatness, Michael Anton, Codevilla). How come?

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

(((How Come?)))

Ursula
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Ursula

They cover all sides, that way they control the topic and steer the discussions and shape the thinking. Their over-representation and competitiveness in academia allow this to occur rather naturally.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Anton should be celebrated as a Prophet. He was absolutely correct. The so-called “Right” were and are the Washington Generals, losing by design with dignity and the purpose of shoring up the left.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

The elimination of whites is the natural – and moral – endpoint for today’s dominant ideology. Just follow the simple logic: 1. Unequal outcomes among the various races (not that there is such a thing, but whites believe in “race”) is caused by racism – importantly, both conscious and unconscious. 2. These unequal outcomes are literally killing blacks and Hispanics* via high crime rates, higher infant mortality and disease, i.e. racism doesn’t just lead to less material wealth; it harms its victims physical and mental health even to the point of killing them. 3. Whites, whether they know it or… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

B-b-but what about racial differences? Can’t that explain disparities and outcomes? I know, I know…I’ll just shut my mouth and go find the nearest black person and apologize and grovel for forgiveness.

Paul
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Paul

*And what about the Parenthesees, you say? Well, that proves that whites are super racist, because they are racist against them for no reason at all.

TomA
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TomA

This is a boldly rational analysis, but you cannot stop there. Given that being born a member of the Caucasian race is both evil and an existential threat to all other components of humanity, then the emerging vibrant political leadership is honor-bound to implement a “final solution” for the good of all mankind. How will they accomplish this goal? When will they begin in earnest? Will the doomed go quietly and meekly stand in line at the entrance to the gas chambers?

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

We’ll start to see the outlines of all of that in a decade or two. I hope that we’ll fight back, and maybe we will. But I have to say, the behavior of whites in South Africa haunts my dreams.

Compsci
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Compsci

Human denial Citizen. I’ve seen it, I’ve read about it, I’ve done it myself. The Whites in SA are living in squalor at a size/proportion that was never remotely approached before apartheid. Yet, the remaining Whites find their few occupational positions left to them lucrative (while they last) and continue to prop up the SA economy. A Faustian bargain wherein they hope to survive, but in reality will only cause them to be the last eaten.

george
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george

In the soviet union the problems for the Kulaks started in about 1918 and by the 1930s they were being “dealt with” in earnest. If we use the base line of 2008, when the anti-white rhetoric really started to ramp up then we may not have a decade.

Member

I’ll agree that in the natural world, the parasite is not evil. It evolved to maintain itself by finding a host and flourishing within that host’s environment. The parasite has its place because it is a part of the natural world. But parasites frequently kill their hosts. Oh, they don’t mean to. It just happens as a natural result of how parasites evolve. I can accept this. But everyone will understand if from time to time a pesticide is employed to keep the parasites under control. It makes the host so much more comfortable.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Under no moral calculus I know is the host obliged to succumb to the parasite. Martyrdom is not a part of nature.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

In the ocean there are certain types of sucker fish that I guess are technically parasites – but they serve a useful purpose as they usually get their nourishment by cleaning away dead skin, and other smaller parasites from the much larger fish that they are attached to. You can see the same type of relationship in action between some types of birds and large mammals like rhinos and elephants. The large animals in fact will encourage the “parasites” as they eat the insects often cling to their skin. The black woman and her three kids that are attached to… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

sucker fish that I guess are technically parasites

That’s not a parasite, that’s a symbiont.

Compsci
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Compsci

In the Natural world, there is no concept of evil. There is however a concept of survival of the fittest. Best we all learn to differentiate the two.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Equality is what it’s all about. The hostility against whites won’t end until black arrests and incarcerations are equal to whites. The same goes for school achievement, income, hiring…anything measurable that shows disparities has to be corrected. You might say to yourself that maybe racial groups are different in many ways, including intelligence, time preference, trust, etc, but you better erase those evil and pseudo-scientific thoughts, bigot, and get with the program. As long as the acknowledgment that races may differ is not allowed, the campaign against whites goes on and on…

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Ostei Kozelskii

The dictates of disparate impact are replacing the Constitution. Sheerest madness.

Chiron
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Chiron

“Jews, of course, were still excluded from the elite.”

Were they? One of the leaders of the Evil Confederacy was a Jew who runnned away to London when his side lost the war, there is some conspiracy theories that he was responsible for the murder of Abraham Lincoln.

99 Year Blues
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The wording of that is telling: “excluded from the elite,” eh? So this is what their complaint was. They were not excluded from entry into the wealthiest most powerful country in human history. They were not excluded from citizenship and ordinary life and participation in this country. No, this was not enough; they were (and remain) endlessly bitter and spiteful because of partial — only partial, mind you– exclusion “from the elite”. Nothing less would do, not normal life, not Liberty, not prosperity. Gotta have those top, top spots. In America they couldn’t possibly get away with the old reliable… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

This parasite analogy might be done, but I’ll add. An *unsuccessful* parasite kills its host before it reproduces or finds another host. In modern description, those folk currently jockeying for promotion to positions of elevation within the society (these days known as inclusion) without dint of merit are “feeding” off the host. Those taking up such positions at the expense of others of merit are “killing” the host. South Africa is a good example of the parasites killing their host and are an example in end stage. We are in an early stage of such folly.

Ris Eruwaedhiel
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Ris Eruwaedhiel

Zimbabwe f/k/a Rhodesia is an example of the parasite trying to survive after the host dies. Post-colonial Africa in general.

Compsci
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Compsci

Ris, good catch. I should have thought of it.

Normie
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It can all be explained by IQ…

Monsieur le Baron
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Not all Jews were excluded from the elite. The old Sephardic families had access to the best circles and clubs. It was just the newcomers straight from Poland.

Drake
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Drake

Slavery may be the original sin – but rejecting communism / socialism / all-powerful government administered by the elite is Whitey’s current sin. Whites aren’t interested and don’t need that level of state supervision – hence the hate. Their beloved brown people are glad to accept big government and happy to blindly follow the elite.

The elites in South and Central America are in no danger of being voted out of power, which makes our elites jealous.

Dr. Dre
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Dr. Dre

Best comment yet! Let’s not forget the folks who were really BIG into the earliest days of the Transatlantic slave trade and who were prominent members of the elite in cities like NYC, Newport RI, and in the South, Charleston SC and New Orleans LA. Chattanooga’s Ochs and Sulzberger families — NY Times; the Lehman Bros. were from Montgomery AL. Judah P. Benjamin, referred to in another comment here, was born on a Caribbean island but came to NOLA as a child. He attended Yale University (founded by a man, a Brit., who owned slaves!!) Benjamin became the Confederacy’s Secretary… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Fabulous, Dre, excellent detail.
The white slaves that built the colonies have been forgotten, with culture war propaganda (“British atrocities!”) replacing their history.

I contend that the Revolution occurred because the good Christian King George had declared war on the slave trade, so the slave traders declared war on the King.

Lineman
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Lineman

True history is fascinating stuff isn’t it…It teaches you what works and what doesn’t…It teaches you who to watch out for and who you might be able to trust and work with…Which is why it’s being twisted and deleted…

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

So who were the American ruling elite after the Second World War? Who were the Soviet ruling elite after the Second World War?

It might be disheartening, but every serious analysis leads to the exact same group. No one wants to say it, but everyone lives by their consent and woe betide all who cross them.

That’s right my man. The Amish!

Hoyos
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Hoyos

Lot of native Russians, Georgians, Ukrainians, etc. in the Soviet Union ruling elite, Stalin was certainly a gentile, as was Beria, Malenkov, as was Molotov I think. Next, the American ruling elite was still pretty much WASPs and the occasionally upstart newcomer or middle American. Confirmation bias at work, because I’m pretty sure your facts are wrong here.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Stalin’s wives and mistress were the usual suspects. So is Kamala’s husband.

Cromwell, who murdered both Charles and monarchy, wasn’t- but his backers were.

It’s not that our worst exist- they do- but that they are elevated and enshrined until they own the ladder of opportunity that formerly had been based on benefit to the people and their society.

The Babe
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The Babe

Why do they hate us? Well, because they’ve always hated us. Very broadly speaking, the races have always hated each other. Different races can’t live together peacefully in the same polity. Rarely have, rarely will. Just the way it is. The “genius” of leftism, such as it is, is to justify, provide cover for, and even sanctify the most vicious impulses of human nature, including race hate. One suspects that even without the “multiple foundings” context, Harry Jaffa, Eric Foner, Cathy Young, and Max Boot (*loud cough*) would have come up with some other theory about why white people need… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Yes, races, and to a lesser extent ethnicities, have always been somewhat mutually antagonistic, if not hateful toward one another. However, the far more interesting question is why approximately one third of whites have become traitors against their own people.

Incidentally, there used to be an academic journal called “Race Traitor”–perhaps it still exists–created by a certain Noel Ignatiev. Its motto was “Treason against the white race is a service to humanity.”

The Babe
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The Babe

Yeah, getting white people to take their own side, as the Zman and many of our guys correctly point out, is job number one. If understanding how white people are brainwashed into hating their own guys can help us undo it, then it’s definitely an important subject.

(P.S. “Race Traitor,” wow, that’s really on the nose. No pun intended. I wonder if the readers were primarily white or Jewish, and if the readers were made consciously aware of the journal’s Jewish provenance?)

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Ostei Kozelskii

My guess is the overwhelming majority of its readers were white–most academic AWRs are white, after all–but that they were certainly not made aware of Ignatiev’s Jewishness. But with a name like Noel Ignatiev, that was probably an open secret.

Drake
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Drake

Those who consider themselves “elite” have always hated the peasantry and REALLY hated the uppity middle-class – whether it was their own race or another.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

And whites are a particularly annoying middle class and, of whites, the American middle class is simply intolerable. They simply don’t know their place.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…”

I’d like to go back and beat the crap out of Thomas Jefferson.

Compsci
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Compsci

OBT, as with much of the writings of that time, the meaning of words and sentences changes wrt modern definition/interpretation. Most folk today are so uneducated, and now intellectually lacking, that they can not understand/interpret the meaning of the phrase, “…all men are created equal…” *as it was meant* by Jefferson (and by extension, the Founders) at that time. It is nonsensical to assume the Founders meant that all men are equal in ability and character. Every examination of other writings of the time indicate the opposite. After all, the Founders were self made men and represented what they termed… Read more »

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Compsci said: “Most folk today are so uneducated, and now intellectually lacking, that they can not understand/interpret the meaning of the phrase, “…all men are created equal…” *as it was meant* by Jefferson (and by extension, the Founders) at that time.” Oh my. There’s that attitude again. Look, I really don’t give half a s**t what old Tommy Boy meant or didn’t mean. What I care about in how it’s been interpreted by successive generations. Those later interpretations have been codified into law which makes the Jeff mans meaning irrelevant. So lets cut the Linguistics crapola and try and see… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

No one argues that the interpretation is today understood as you explained. The explanation I provided is at best an apology for the Founders who are often criticized here and elsewhere for their “wording” of that line in the Declaration. Their wording was sound for the time in meaning and understanding. As you’ve noted it is the “cleaver” men of future generations who have perverted the phrase to fit their own goals. If the Founders failed to anticipate anything, it was in the creation of a Supreme Court of who’s decisions there is no appeal—at least not specifically mentioned/outlined—and now… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Well I think Jefferson saw any person that wasn’t white as non entity and so when he said all men he was talking about white people…JMHO

Compsci
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Compsci

Lineman, I would not argue with you in that thought. The world was very White in those days. Italians for example might not be even considered. My thinking here, as has been pointed out, is more generous wrt such matters.

TomA
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TomA

I’ve always interpreted this statement to mean that none of us got to choose our parents, so it’s asinine to treat anyone unfairly based solely upon a circumstance that they had no control over. In life, you play the hand you are dealt (no whining allowed).

c matt
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c matt

Therein lies the problem. TJ probably meant it as everyone should be treated fairly, as in no barriers put in place by gov’t to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness by your own ability and efforts. Today’s elites take it to mean equality of outcome, therefore some men need barriers put in front of them, others need a legal leg up regardless of your own ability and efforts. TJ is long dead, so what he originally meant is irrelevant. To be fair, even if he had not written those nefarious lines, the Left would have found another way.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

No hereditary nobility, “to the manor born”.

Compsci
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Compsci

TomA, correct. However, the modern interpretation we see is that unequal outcomes are correctable and unjust. The culprit in this injustice is the winner of life’s lottery and therefore must be made to give back that which was unfairly obtained, albeit through no fault of his own.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Z, do you genuinely believe the race-traitors hate us because of the Atlantic slave trade? The Germans, Swedes and Dutch are some of the most virulent race-traitors, and their role in the slave trade was peripheral at best. I think there must be something else going on here. And part of that something is WWII and the Holocaust. Genuine race-treason proceeded apace after the conclusion of those events and accelerated to warp speed in the 60s. Now the interesting question is, why among all peoples on the planet, do only whites flagellate themselves into submission for historical failings while studiously… Read more »

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Moran ya Simba

Slavery has NOTHING to do w this. Im sick and tired of hearing about slavery. Slavery had to go, it would have gone regardless of the civil war, it went. It is quite remarkable that it is not an entirely peripheral topic today.

Now as to ‘race treason’, it is the natural product of having ruled the world for 500 years, as whites have. They think they are so ‘magically’ superior that they dont need to look after their interests. It is actually astounding conceitedness masked as benevolence.

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Even though U.S. citizens did not vote to allow people of all race and ethnicities to be allowed in to the U.S. with the 1965 immigration act, this was our Congress’ doing, for the most part white Americans welcomed people of color in to the States with open arms and a spirit of generosity, looking forward to sharing the country’s prosperity and living in harmony with people from different cultures, religions, races. Sadly, our schools have taught that whites are bad, intolerant, privileged. That we who tolerate so much that differs from our own successful heritage, are bigoted intolerant racists.… Read more »

Quango Unchained
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You say, “Sadly, our schools have taught that whites are bad”.

This is the same thing as saying “shots rang out,” or “a gun went off,” or “the streets are engulfed in crime.” You are leaving out the agency.

Our “schools” taught nothing of the sort, until they were taken over by Jews. Then, mysteriously “our” schools (heh) began teaching Whites are bad. No, it is not our schools that teach this, it is Jewish mind poison which teaches this.

Ursula
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Ursula

Indeed, this article is very enlightening in that regard. I’ve posted this here before, but just in case others have not read it yet, I highly recommend it.
http://www.unz.com/article/modify-the-standards-of-the-in-group/

Known Fact
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Known Fact

Some of my fellow Jews have helped warp higher education (not to mention the courts, the media, tech and politics) — but I see the anti-American brainwashing in the elementary and high schools as more of a women-driven thing. Notice the brainwashing is also anti-male.

Primary ed is not a big Jewish occupation as far as I know

Ursula
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Jews are heavily involved in crafting the disgraceful teachers’ education curriculum as well as the school books and materials that our children of all ages take in, to their own detriment. Teachers unions, school books and curriculum, school testing and admissions, removal of every last bit of Christianity — these are things Jews are heavily involved in creating and implementing. Show me any field in the U.S. with any kind of importance and I’ll show you Jews right there in the middle of it, at the top usually.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

David Coleman created Common Core to attack ‘white privilege’, that is, disparity.

It has another name in the U.K., but is a universal program there as well.

Normie
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What are you talking about? Depending on region textbooks are developed by different companies and curriculum is choosen by the School Boards. In Texas they wont even allow the Civil Rights movement more than a page while here in MN my kids His. book has more on said topic than the American Rev.

It must be nice to have an all encompassing boogie man to blame everything on despite the facts. I feel bad for anti semites… They sound so ignorant.

Ursula
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Ursula

Normie: Wake up, lamb chop. Here’s just an example. Take Susan Glasser: “Glasser, who served as founding editor of the award-winning POLITICO Magazine and went on to become editor of POLITICO throughout the 2016 election cycle, has reported everywhere from the halls of Congress to the battle of Tora Bora. The former editor in chief of Foreign Policy magazine, she spent four years traveling the former Soviet Union as the Washington Post’s Moscow co-bureau chief, covered the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and co-authored “Kremlin Rising: Vladimir Putin and the End of Revolution,” with her husband, New York Times chief… Read more »

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Ursula, you are too harsh. I don’t even think they have a concept of a “golden goose”. Prosperity is like magic, it can be summoned at will. If someone else, such as Whites, have it all, then getting rid of the Whites will allow them more of it.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Grab the bag!

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Citizen of a Silly Country

I’ve said for a long time that whites remind me of the couple of trust fund kids that I’ve met. These people were actually pretty bright and could have been happy, successful people if born to different circumstances. Instead, they floundered about looking for meaning because they never had to fight for anything. Naturally, they looked upon their grandparents or even great grandparents with contempt and shame because they stole money from the poor workers.

Whites are the trust fund race of the world.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Whites are the trust fund race of the world.

A good way to put it. The cushioned life is a killer…..

Compsci
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Compsci

Unearned wealth. Wherever you notice this, the odds are great no good will follow. Whether a lottery winner, an NBA draft pick (yes, that is earned somewhat) or a trust fund kid. Indeed, we don’t even need to be that rich that we have trust funds. Simply being raised in the typical White household today seems enough. Children are spoiled and very often have never had to earn a dime of their sustenance. On the annoyance end, are the losers we hear of that live in their parents’ basement. On the dangerous end, are the AOC’s who seek power and… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Interesting hypothesis in your second paragraph. However, failure to look out for one’s own interest is one thing; actively campaigning for the destruction of one’s own people is something else altogether. And the latter position is the default of white Leftists.

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True. I think he latter position you refer to is promoted by some b/c it is rewarded. And then most ppl being sheep, they end up believing their own BS, and so are ‘true believers’ in ‘evil whitey.’

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why among all peoples on the planet, do only whites flagellate themselves into submission for historical failings while studiously suppressing their manifold historical achievements?

Because, for the moment, they can afford to. That bill is quickly becoming due, but old habits die hard. Pelosi will soon learn when AOC replaces her as speaker.

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Official Bologna Tester

Ostei Kozelskii said: “I think there must be something else going on here. And part of that something is WWII and the Holocaust. Genuine race-treason proceeded apace after the conclusion of those events and accelerated to warp speed in the 60s.” Absolutely. Plus a log list of other things the left has been pounding away at for ever. Imperialism, slavery, class struggles and the Bourgeois industrial complex etc. It was all White peoples fault. And you right. The 1960s saw a marked increase in leftist social philosophy being taught is American schools. Here’s the grand daddy of critical theory, Max… Read more »

Scea Dugengan
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Its called Christianity. Original Sin. Born guilty, self loathing constantly inculcated….for two thousand years. Gets in your genes. And, of course, the Aristotelian notion that heaven and earth are separated by an unbridgeable gulf, the perfect above, the ever flawed below. Redemption is impossible. In a word, Don Juanism.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Black and brown Christians seem curiously immune to the phenomenon of original sin mandating the destruction of their own people.

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

They aren’t really thinking through ANY aspect of the religion though

The Babe
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The Babe

I know Stefan Molyneux has a whiff of the grift about him, but this Tweet by him is to the point:

“Whites enslaved others the least.

Whites enslaved others for the shortest amount of time.

Whites ended slavery around the world.

Only whites are blamed for slavery.

Trying to save the world is destroying whites.

You know it.

I know it.

So STOP IT!”

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1097380819520221184

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The truth is that the colonies, and then the US, were a backwater of the Atlantic slave trade, for the simple reason that slave mortality in the production of tobacco and cotton was a mere fraction of that of producing sugar cane. The numbers of slaves imported into Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti and Brazil, the main slave markets, dwarfed the numbers sent to the US. Not that WOKE history is ever interested in these inconvenient details.

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Alzaebo

Good question, the most important one, Ostei.

Perhaps it’s they have no one else they see as worthy of competing with, and/or refuse to side with deplorables.

As the Theorum Nigerium says,
“Why conquer blacks, what do we get? Their women?”

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Its white women. Conservative men boycott voting when they dont like the candidates. White women arrive to vote religiously for whoever promises free abortions. With more prosperity in society come more rights for women, and in turn, more power. A book called “the female brain” makes it pretty clear that women desire a masochistic range of emotional experiences. The more power women have in society, the more masochistic, unfortunately. Imagine approaching a group of chimpanzees and teaching the females how to use guns. The whole order will be in chaos. Thats what political power for women is like, and its… Read more »

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They hate us because we make them look bad, intellectually and physically. When I’m talking to a white person and I always assume they’re as intelligent as I am, I might find out I’m wrong later but that’s the assumption. I don’t think that with black or Hispanics. And I have beautiful thick wavy chestnut hair. Every black girl that’s ever looked at me has had hair envy. And then there the blue eyes

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Phenotype is H U G E. I don’t think people understand how big of a deal this is. They are bitterly envious of these traits because it took tens of thousands of years of human evolution to produce them, and guess what? Only ‘whites’ (Euro, Slav, etc) can produce these traits. Imagine the cogdis that produces in so many people? This is why (((they))) are constantly pushing for race mixing, they want the entire world to be some shade of sh1t brown and the scary part is, it is working -quite- well. I think people who don’t interact with minorities… Read more »

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There is nothing a black woman hates more than a swinging ponytail. It just makes them burn with rage and I’ll be honest I don’t blame them. If I knew that the hair options in the world were varying Hues of thick, silky curtains and I got a Brillo pad on my head I’d be pissed too. I think that is the root of the Angry Black Woman. It’s all about the hair

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And that explains the silly hair pieces worn by many black women

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Altitude Zero

Amazingly, there’s a lot of truth to this. A lot of the hatred stems from the fact that, no matter what they do, they will never be white, and they know it.

Lineman
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@Whitney
That might play a part in it but I think most of the anger comes from that their men desire the white female along with all other races of men but black women get stuck with only other black men wanting them…That’s where the rage comes from…

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OK. That’s true, it generally is only black man that want black women but what is one of women’s most noticeable traits? Hair. And pretty much all men talk about loveing long hair. They talk about running their fingers through it. Black women do not have long or touchable hair and it sucks for them because they’re the only race that has such terrible hair.

Compsci
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Compsci

Yep, and by the time you women get to be in your 40’s to 50’s, you cut your hair short… 🙁

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

100% spot on, Whitney, I’ve seen that seething look of silent rage in action. Nobody but nobody exclaims “oh I looove your hair”, no matter how much she spent on shoes, clothes, makeup, the coif…

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Whitney: The hair is the biggest part of it, but not all of it. That’s why every celebrity Negress you see has had a nose job and bleaches the hell out of her skin. I also recall reading on the Daily Mail about one American Negress who had surgery (somewhere in Asia I think – illegal in the US) to permanently change her eye color to blue. Add in the bleached “weaves” (subcon hair sold by Koreans) and then they all proclaim they’re black and beautiful. Jealousy is a huge component of their hatred.

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That’s the reason given for their dislike of swimming, too. It’s about the hair. Look at US Olympic swim team (women) — nary an AF-AM to be seen; I seem to remember a black male on one of the relay teams — which almost lost! — several Olympics back.

Normie
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Good lord you sound stupid… when have you ever spoken to a black woman about hair? Your comments are laughable

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And you sound ignorant because the entire black woman hair thing is so well-known that Oprah and other black celebrities talk openly about it and it didn’t really even create a stir when Chris Rock made an entire movie about it called Good Hair

Yves Vannes
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“to a place where making the rhetorical flourishes of the Declaration the religion of the land. ” Jacques(the endless moralizer): Give me leave to speak my mind, and I will through and through cleanse the foul body of th’ infected world,If they will patiently receive my medicine. The Duke (Nature and Civilization): Most mischievous foul sin in chiding sin, For thou thyself hast been a libertine, As sensual as the brutish sting itself, And all th’ embossèd sores and headed evils That thou with license of free foot hast caught Wouldst thou disgorge into the general world. As You Like… Read more »

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The first Rule of White Club? Everyone Talks about White Club. Constantly. And Anybody can join White Club. You just need to be really sincere about Hating on the White Man. You’re White? NO problem. Back of the bus. The Hate White Guy bus. Screech & Hoot louder…

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Hating Whitey is the common thread that runs through American politics and culture. It is the thread that binds the elites to thier foot “soldiers” in pantifa and the academics and activists they fund to develop rhetoric and throw urine at white Americans. One cannot pass the gates of the establishment without swearing to it. Its the new patriotism of the new, degenerate America. Hating whitey is a career path. Ambitious youngsters in china study math and engineering. In America ambitious youngsters can master the language of anti white hate and get a job with the establishment (Sarah Jeong and… Read more »

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The fact that left hates white people should be painfully obvious by now. But for many it is not. The fringe left is easy to mobilize. Envy and covetousness are powerful drivers for the invaders and POCs. And yes, hating whitey is obviously the path to success; the new real americans dream. But what is less obvious to me is the myopia of the goodwhites, who seem incapable of seeing how this will end for them. How does a white prog male think his precious white son will be treated when he is a minority and yet still and evil… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Well thought out and Well Said Brother…

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I don’t believe there’s really a need for analyzing, “hate whitey”, beyond the fact that it’s a tool to undermine the status quo. Similar to, “hate Christians”.

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Dutch

Lefty whites are trained to hate themselves. And for even the white normies, any inkling of any sort of white identity may as well be the forbidden zone from the Planet of the Apes. No one is allowed to go there, but no one really knows why. It just is. That is the taboo that we must break.

Normie
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Lefty Whites dont hate themselves they hate the dirt people.

c matt
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c matt

How does a white prog male think his precious white son will be treated

Some of it is denial, in that “I am a good white, so it won’t happen to me and mine.”

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Moran ya Simba

One fundamental problem is the insane idea that a ‘nation’ is defined by a piece of parchment, or a clever and eloquent act of war propaganda as the Declaration was. And not by an organic people. The ‘proposition nation’ is the definition of an ideological state and an ideological state is guaranteed to founder eventually, when reality refuses to pay homage to the official ideology. Underneath every single non-Western nation or civilization there is an ethnic understanding of national identity. The Chinese claim to be communist, they act like imperial mechantilists but everyone understands that being Chinese has everything to… Read more »

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Compsci

Moran, excellent insight. The Chinese are the way they are today, because the CCP (after Mao) finally gave up and modified their ideology to match the people’s genetic proclivity…and here they are today. We got into our trade problems with them for the same reason we get into all our problems in dealings with other races, a failure to recognize those racial/cultural proclivities. There are economists that have recognized such. Thomas Sowell for example has several books outlining such and tracing immigration and success of immigrants (over native populations) in other countries, albeit he won’t term his observations in the… Read more »

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3g4me

Sowell will always deny the inherent truth of HBD – he has black children.

Compsci
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Compsci

He also has a White wife. None-the-less, his observations wrt racial/ethnic differences in success of people among any number of nations is spot on and supported by data. His explanation of why this occurs is simply lacking, or rather falls short as he always jumps to the conclusion, “culture”. HBD recognizes culture as well, but allows that culture is often downstream from biology. One can read Sowell with that change of understanding and learn a lot.

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Sowell is often spot on. Sometimes the “diverse” could do well — but they are not of my nation. I don’t want them around and they don’t care for me. Separation is what is needed. Then we can see some of them do well … or not. Either way, they need to go someplace else.

3g4me
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Yes, his second wife is White; the mother of his children is black. In all seriousness, why do you write “culture is often downstream from biology” rather than accept that it is always biology/genetics which give rise to different cultures? One doesn’t have to believe HBD is 100% totally determinative (I don’t) to recognize culture in general is always downstream from it. As far as the utility of reading Sowell – I did – 10-15 years ago. Until he decided to blame all Negro dysfunction on the Scots-Irish – at which point I moved on to better thinkers and writers.

Compsci
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Compsci

One reads Sowell, as one reads many authors, whether in agreement with or not. WRT Sowell, as a Black man he carries weight with the opposition. He would be logically pointed to by Leftist progressives as the exception to much of what we generally discuss here. We of course accept that there are exceptions, and expect to see such examples as Sowell. When I have such discussion, not very often these days as I don’t really have time for Leftist ideologues, he is a natural cite for such findings as he writes about and we discuss. His insights wrt Leftist… Read more »

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c matt

Probably right, but he shouldn’t have to. There are always outliers. And HBD being genetic, his kids are likely to be outliers as well.

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Official Bologna Tester

Moran ya Simba Said: “One fundamental problem is the insane idea that a ‘nation’ is defined by a piece of parchment, or a clever and eloquent act of war propaganda as the Declaration was. And not by an organic people. The ‘proposition nation’ is the definition of an ideological state and an ideological state is guaranteed to founder eventually, when reality refuses to pay homage to the official ideology.” All human habitation is an attempt to build a safe harbor against the chaos and uncertainty of both the natural world and the equally unpredictable ups and downs of human nature.… Read more »

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I think that may be overcomplicating it a little. Functionally, a ‘white’ is someone who wants to marry whites and whom whites find it ‘natural’ to marry. Or something, I guess I take a Darwinian approach to it.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

In Baltimore, they ain’t gonna ask if you’re a cajun or a rancher

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Don’t fret so much.
The Ball just moved.
Tragically.
In Maryland.

Inshallah. They’re soldiers now. 😞

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Race is incidental to this. This is a class struggle among whites. Rich whites against poor whites, city whites against country whites. College educated whites vs trade school whites. This hatred of “bad whites” by “good whites” is a recognition that only white people are capable of making life choices. Non-whites, in their eyes, don’t make life choices. Sheniqua in Section 8 housing was always meant to be Sheniqua. She couldn’t better herself if she tried, and she shouldn’t bother. Even Ming, the nail salon owner was meant to do what she does. Non-whites are just scenery to them, like… Read more »

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Compsci

JR, as with Z-man’s commentary, there seems to be a contradiction here. If the races hate the Whites so much, how can they make a distinction between the bad and good Whites? Seems a poor way to conduct a class struggle taking on allies that will eventually turn on you (good Whites) when the bad whites are eliminated.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

It’s not supposed to make sense, these are people “good whites” who don’t live in reality. They wouldn’t know reality from a hole in the ground. Also, other races are expected to hate all white people until bad whites are eliminated. Bad whites tarnish all whites in their minds. Why wouldn’t they when they see Cletus in cargo shorts with dip in his mouth?

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Whites get shit done. All the POCs in the world couldn’t take down whitey so they convinced whites to take a knee in the name of fairness and diversity and tolerance and progress. Anyone who has been anywhere that is truly diverse, which of course means absent white people entirely, has seen that people will find their own similarities and differences and group up accordingly. Soon enough those differences feed conflict and competition and those similarities feed in group preferences. They (who you ask?) leveraged our inclination to self-segregate along the most discernible lines in order to divide us. White… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

“Yes the goodwhites are priestly for now. But they will be burned at the stake as soon as they are deemed heretics or insufficiently enthusiastic about their replacement.” – That hasn’t registered with them. They’re like they guy in Alaska (Into the Wild). Had he known he would be eaten by bears he likely would have made other plans. And just like the fool who in that movie, a lot of them come from upper class suburban backgrounds. They don’t understand the gravity of the situation. You do. I do. They don’t.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

By the way. This “Into the Wild” guy is a saint to these people. He reached peak good-whiteness. Before he was eaten of course. Maybe as he was being eaten. Some woman just died trying to reach his bus. He may as when be the Francis of Assisi of the woke.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/into-the-wild-bus-woman-dies-trying-to-reach-famed-bus-made-famous-by-the-book-and-film/

Bunny
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Bunny

I thought he starved to death. DiCaprio (Hugh Glass) got the bear treatment, but not eaten.

Normie
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Thats not how a liberal thinks. They work and befriend poc. They live next door. Their kids play together… Pretty simple really.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

If a poc lives next door to a white liberal, then that poc is likely one of a few in the neighborhood. If the numbers of poc in a neighborhood rise enough, white liberals leave if they can, just people of all races do.

c matt
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c matt

There may be outliers. But all liberals I know live in exclusive communities w/o POC neighbors, or at most, a token talented tenth POC neighbor.

Normie
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Exactly. Liberals dont hate theseleves they hate the dirt people that are embarrassing them.

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They would do well to study the Haitian Revolution. Hint, they end up all dead or exiled. The Haitian Revolution is what happens when one group of whites fans racial hatred against another group of whites.

Lineman
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Lineman

And once that happens everything turns to shit and they beg whitey to send them money…

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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Why even care why they hate us?
They do. To Death.
To Genocide.

So us or them.
Simple.

Lineman
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Lineman

Simple yet how many here aren’t doing the things they need to if they truly believe that…

3g4me
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3g4me

Another important and well written and DIRECT post. Z man, thank you.

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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ” What is missing here Is the word “in”. It should be inserted between the words equal and that. That would/should eliminate the confusion most of the idiots out there are suffering from.Then again they refuse to acknowledge the truth in the statement “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Only bad whites get this. Personally, being one… Read more »

Quango Unchained
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It is instructive to recall that, as far back as the early 20th century, the Jewish Communists in America had, as one of their interminable schemes, a plan to de-segregate and racially integrate the professional sports leagues and teams. Their motive was NOT racial justice for the negro. Their reasoning was as follows: 1. Sports heroes are natural objects of public fascination; they are role models and idols for the nation’s youth; and women are naturally attracted to male athletic prowess. 2. If the negroes are permitted to enter the White sports leagues and compete evenly with White athletes, they… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Do you have a link to the plan to integrate professional sports or is this just your opinion? I’m not disputing it, it’s just that I’ve never heard of it. I always assumed it was Branch Rickey’s plan in order to get a competitive advantage by bringing in a really good player. (Jackie Robinson) That seems more in line with Occam’s Razor, but maybe I’m wrong.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Culture war. Who owns the ball teams?

Exile
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Exile

Z’s right in recognizing that GoodWhites have entirely Othered themselves from BadWhites in a way that Derb, Sailer et al can’t bring themselves to accept on a gut level. I’ve never found “pathological altruism” fully satisfying an explanation, and Sailer’s wholly cynical social status/political glue excuse is even less on point. My tweak on “path-alt” is that Whites have a gene-level predisposal for transcendental causes, for something bigger than themselves to believe in. What MacDonald calls “path alt” is the result of letting hostile non-Whites hijack this hardwiring. Medieval Christianity, White Man’s Burden and Manifest Destiny imperfectly but effectively innoculated… Read more »

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Wolf Barney

Cracking the barrier keeping whites from seeing themselves as a group with interests, seeing other groups as competing for their own interests, and accepting race realism, is the hardest part. I notice there’s a tendency that for those who finally understand this view, a switch flips on, and suddenly see this fight we’re in passionately and perhaps in a transcendent way. We need to keep hammering away at that barrier.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

The word “transcendental” is the key to this. The “good white” liberals still see themselves as having a higher purpose, only stripped of all Christian origin decades ago. It became a humanist one. Only a white person can be a real humanist to them because only the white person can act as a superman (ubermensch) as described by Nietzsche. So which is more racist? A white person who thinks that non-whites are victims, incapable of intrinsic motivation, to be saved and cared for by the liberal ubermensche or the white person who believes that the non-white may not have genes… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“Whites need a transcendental view of themselves as a race/people again”

That’s the base of my belief, my religion, and my love. We thus far are the best the Increate can do, a product of millions of years of unceasing effort.

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Hgfds

The truth of the matter, as some have alluded to already, is the Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war on 1776. Also, the document can be understood as having the rhetoric of the time which includes the majority of the “enlightenment” writers. However, there is one event that everybody either ignores or doesn’t know that explains both it and the current divide: the English Civil War. The concept that all “English” men are created equal along with other ideas such as the right to silence and freedom of religion came out of that conflict or the people of… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Re: the “anti-Semites,” it’s not a NAA-SALT to say that the vast majority of A-S’s do not believe there is a monolithic, overt, express, deliberate and centralized Jewish conspiracy to wreck White culture. This depiction is a straw man and a sop to philo-Semites. Those who believe in Jews under their beds are the exception, not the rule. As MacDonald very judiciously and objectively lays out in his works, Jews have evolved a combination of genetic and cultural traits which predispose them to insularity, ethno-chauvanism/supremacy and high levels of out-group distrust expressed aggressively (albeit often pass-agg when necessary due to… Read more »

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Ultra-Pasteurized

It was a hard pill to swallow but it’s really the only rational conclusion.

And try to remember that group characteristics do not necessarily apply to all members of the group, broadly speaking. There’s always the ((tolerable tenth)).

chedolf
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chedolf

Contra the anti-Semites, this is not part of some global plot.

True. But which explanation is more troubling?

– It’s a global plot.
– It’s the natural behavior of a group that thinks of itself as a permanent diaspora/minority because that’s the life it’s known for the past few millennia.

If you regard yourself as an eternal outsider, then you will see every majority culture as a potential threat that needs to be dissolved. No conspiracy required.

Monsieur le Baron
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America afforded these Jewish sons of dirt farmers to rise to the aristocracy and join the Globohomo Tribe, every war champs. But they didn’t get the joke, so to speak. And the new foreign virtue signalers are not getting the Jewish rendition of the joke, such that you are now two levels deep on not getting the joke. The problem is simple. Final victory over the Smelly Badwhites means either a slow death of starvation or a fast death by decapitation. Therefore, no matter how many amusing contrivances you come up with to spite the peasants, it is important to… Read more »

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The Left does not hate whites because they are white – they hate whites because they are, more than any other race, Christians. This is a spiritual battle between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of this World. The Bible tells us that the Kingdom of this World will become ascendent before the end. Whether this is what we are seeing now, I do not know (nor do you, or does any man). As a white Christian, I am not surprised nor bothered by what is happening. If you are, you are blind. Satan and his followers are going… Read more »

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Absolutely, and it makes for a very rough ride. It’s a shame that many reject this as hocus pocus, but we were warned that would be the case.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Only fools say that the Crucifixion was a “mistake” they made.

They mean to win, and win they can.
This is their only home; this is their kingdom.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

I really miss Cambria Will Not Yield, he had a fascinating perspective and it was along these lines.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The children of the Lucifer believe they will win, because this is their realm. Why do you think the Anointed One they bring is your messiah? He is not. The Increate is a distant influence, not an all-powerful magician. He (it) can only strive for ephemeral, glacial change with the materials at hand. Life is fragile. The Lucifer’s children have been promised this world; the eternal Covenant is an unbreakable promise, not something that can rescinded as the Christians preach. This is where their line is promised resurrection and rule. They see it now. Why? Because what possesses them can… Read more »

Severian
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I’ve never understood the Right’s blindness on this point (well, the blindness of the “Right” that doesn’t get paid, anyway). How can you yourself be White, and yet hate White people? Well, you are also half your father, and yet “F*ck you, Dad!!” is the essence of Leftism. In my darkest moments, I think “Didn’t believe they meant what they said” is a pretty good inscription for Western Civ’s tombstone.

Exile
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Exile

“F*ck you, Dad!” is the most concise explanation for feminism, anti-racism, anti-Whites, anti-Straights, nerd culture, tranny stuff and every other form of poz degeneracy, including libertarianism. Hatred of our fathers b/c rules suck. It’s” OK to be White” might as well be “Thank You, Dad.”

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Show us on the doll where the bad libertarian touched you.

————–
(Been dying to use that classic line. Thanks!

And F.U., Dad! SWAT needs more money!
A Real Conservative would ban cargo shorts.
Yeah! That would change… everything!)

Exile
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Exile

Nick Gillespie’s hellspawn are using Gene Wolfe-themed socks now?

This historic comment cannot be reposted enough:

https://vdare.com/posts/reasoning-with-reasonoids-i-have-been-sent-by-your-forebears-to-knock-some-sense-into-your-wayward-skulls-full-of-mush

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Conservatives bent all their policing powers into attacking innocent citizens and growing government, yet somehow open borders is a problem created by the powerless. OK! Conserve away! Keep conserving!

ConservativeFred
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ConservativeFred

Yup. Completely agree with the ZMan. They hate you. Fortunately or unfortunately we were once members of the Episcopal Church. Of course the church and most parishioners skewed leftist. The official view of the diocese and the parish priest was that white privilege existed and had to be eradicated, which meant the eradication of whites and any semblance of white society. The loathing of whites (by whites) from the pulpit and pews was something to behold. 60 year-old grandmothers preaching the destruction of jobs, education, and opportunities for their children and grandchildren while their emasculated husbands nodding along during mass… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Same here. At one time the “Big Tent” meant just that. Parishes sorted accordingly. Then came the Marxist “Long Marchers.” Now it’s “anything goes” and I’m supposed to pretend that they’re upholding the Faith? No.

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Fred; The Episcopalians you describe are that way because of *apostasy*. You are very right to want nothing to do with them. St Paul commands it, after all. If you know the Scriptures, then the Bible is and should be your source of moral authority. Then you can reject with confidence the claims of those folk you describe above. BTW, getting to know the Scriptures is the very best answer to most of the JQ stuff that’s floating about. The damage has mostly been done by YT meekly accepting the claims to moral authority of The Cloud, some of whom… Read more »

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Just read the Gospel of John. He describes the problem and who is behind it.

ConservativeFred
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ConservativeFred

Al,

Funny, I used the word apostasy in describing the experience to my father-in-law last week. I could not find the presence of the Lord in that congregation. Appreciate the insight.

Red Forman
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Red Forman

White people are hated by everyone (even modern whites) because everyone (especially modern whites) hates Christ. The fact that white = Christian for almost 2,000 years is the missing piece of the puzzle. In Christ, nations grow strong and beautiful over the generations as their individual gifts mature and become sanctified. A Christian nation blesses the world. Hence modern prosperity.

The most wretched nation is always the one who used to be God’s people.

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

Picking up the cross and following. Also known as responsibility. God was mad at Cain because he could do better and was slacking off. Also known as living up to responsibility. Jesus taught the perfect Hero’s Journey. The perfect example of sacrifice to achieve the goal. Responsibility.
— so, I completely agree, Red.

Hoyos
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Hoyos

Personally, I thought of it less as slacking and more trying to do it his own way, make up his own rules. There’s a possibility in my mind that it was initially a teaching moment, “You both gave your offerings and I respected won, take note.” But then Cain had to get all hurt that his way wasn’t as good. Resentment against the better man, right there at the beginning.

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

Totally agree on the resentment thing. I’ll think about the “doing it his own way” thing. It’s interesting.

Steve
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Steve

God demanded the sacrifice of an unblemished lamb from His worshipers, because it was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice He planned to make of Himself–His Only Son, Jesus–on the Cross. God rejected Cain’s sacrifice because it was a false token, one that pointed away from the eventual Sacrifice, and as such was worthy of damnation. The entire Old Testament is a foreshadowing of the New. Any other interpretation is flawed. God chose Abraham and his offspring to be the lineage of the Messiah Christ; once the Messiah came, the reason for chosen-ness was eliminated, but since God cannot renege on… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Disagree on this one.

If they hated Christians, you would see destruction of Mexico, the Philippines, Jamaica, etc.

Instead, we only see destruction of white nations and peoples.

There is clearly something more to this puzzle than just “anti-Christian”.

Though, I do believe that whites are uniquely able to actually live out the Bible. Mexican drug cartels, for instance, are also “Christian” but obviously do not follow the Bible very well.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

I agree mostly. Intellectuals though merely justify after the fact not cause social revolutions. Kings and Princes had been feuding with the Church since Charlemagne’s time over the formers appetite for Church land and wealth. It was gunpowder and the printing press that gave the decisive advantage to Kings over the Church and Martin Luther was the mere instrument of justification not the cause. In our case the pill, condom, anonymous urban living and independent female wealth created anti White sentiment which is really at its core female disdain for the White beta male which is easily 90% of us.… Read more »

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

The white beta male, this is an interesting thought. I grew up being trained by culture to be a beta. About 30 years ago Ayn Rand’s various characters taught me partially that there was even a different choice. It was glorious. I did become a huge asshole, and caused myself a lot of problems, but it led to being open to the concept I’ll call self-ownership for this post. Then about 2005 I found a “dating guru” for gods sake whose nom de plume is David DeAngelo. (Cute!) This guy nailed the Women Hate Pansies thing so perfectly, I was… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Can you list the titles you have read?

Malicious Moniker
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Malicious Moniker

White Privilege is I.Q. They call it unconscious racism. We do better than they can because we hold them down. Ha. No, they just can’t do civilization. The Army limits recruitment to IQ numbers 83+, because below that they can’t train the person to do anything useful. If your population has an average of 85, almost half of your people are useless. The Talented 10% do just fine. I used to be an egalitarian. I grew up in the ’70s with the anti-racist theme in my house, . I lost interest in helping others in the ’90s with the advent… Read more »

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

Somewhat disagree. White dispossession is not limited to the United States, but is happening GLOBALLY all over the Western world, often in countries with no serious history of colonialism or slavery. Bad ideas like the declaration of independence probably matter somewhat, but ANYTHING that is not explicitly pro-white will eventually become anti-white. It’s not productive to fixate on any single bad idea, it’s more a problem with our values as a whole and our blindness to certain forms of attack. In the old days when being pro-white was more stigmatized, people would hop from ideology to ideology looking for some… Read more »

CAPT S
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Great essay. And yes, they DO really hate us. Last summer I took my children to Monticello, as our homeschool studies had just emphasized the genius of Jefferson. Lo & behold, we learned in our visit that Monticello was built entirely by the Hemings family, while the entire plantation of slaves were under the constant oppression of the doddering old white hatemonger in the mansion. Apparently the old man came out every once and awhile, but only to diddle one of the slave gals. I grasped the hate from the get-go, pulled my kids out of the guided tour, and… Read more »

Quango Unchained
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You forgot to add, “but they want our stuff.”

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I can imagine every historical place will soon have some kind of tie-in to slavery, white oppression, etc. Or just dismantled completely.

Compsci
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Compsci

Well, if my recent visit to the National Parks of Utah, Idaho, and Montana are any example, we are already there. No tour or stopping point or visitor center was free of lectures on anthropomorphic global warming, nor was it not obvious wrt movies and literature that “diversity” was in full swing. Not that any minorities were apparent. Everyone was pretty much White. Poz’d to the max.

Lineman
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@Comp
Everyone was pretty much White. Poz’d to the max.
They are sometimes the worst at being Poz’d because they have never had to face diversity up close and personal…

Compsci
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Compsci

Well, there were some indications that they are experiencing and adjusting to the wonders of diversity. At Arches National Park, the toilets come with directions for use. Yes, icons that tell our Asian brethren not to stand on the toilet seat and shit into the hole, while pointing them next door to oriental slit trench toilets for their “convenience” . The wife knew nothing of these oriental toilets and this required lengthy explanation in their use and of their reputation for extreme filthiness. At that point, I believe my wife had second thoughts on her incessant nagging to go on… Read more »

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CAPT S: That anti-White animus was already evident the last time I took my boys to DC and the Smithsonian in 2007. Instead of the classic historical exhibitions from my youth, which were mostly still there for the older boy to enjoy in 96 and 99, everything old was gone – and replaced with exhibits about the Negro migration to the north with WWII, the terrible White oppression of the loyal Japanese during the war, and the heroism of women workers and soldiers. I don’t believe it’s mere cohencidence that the Smithsonian – along with National Geographic – has new… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Arrghh makes you want to choke someone doesn’t it…

KGB
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KGB

Join the discussion…You can’t visit a zoo, botanical garden, or aquarium anywhere in North America without being constantly ordered to adopt the ways of the anti-white overlords. Everything but everything is your fault and you need to start making penance for it right now. I was in a museum dedicated to power/electricity in Taiwan a couple months ago. As you enter the exhibits, the first room is dedicated to the humans who advanced our knowledge of electricity and harnessed its power. What jumped out at me right away was that the entire room was about white males. Outside the realm… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

Sad isn’t it when foreigners have more respect and pride for the white race than the good whites do…

Observer
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Observer

You’re overthinking it.
Jews hate white people.
Jews run academia & media.
Academia & media allocate status in our society.
Ergo, high status is given to those who hate whites.

Member

Having conversations with good whites, one will immediately be struck by how uninformed they are on key issues. Often times, they can be pleasant and charming. Just hopelessly uninformed, and their “good white” views can be thought of as a post-Christian religious belief. (Except for feminists who are never pleasant and charming.) By the way, Max Boot is a raving lunatic. It’s amazing that he was taken seriously at one point. Boot and Kristol and Goldberg and the heinous Jennifer Rubin are proof that there is NOT a Jewish cabal ruling society. If so, they’d all have been muzzled long… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

Well, when Certainly Not News and No Perceptible Reasoning are your sources of information, being ignorant comes with the territory.

Spud Boy
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Spud Boy

Was there really that much difference between being a slave and having all your needs looked after, and being an immigrant of the time earning pennies a day and having to provide for yourself and family out of your meager wages? I would submit no.

3g4me
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3g4me

Spud Boy: Mr. alt-lite John Derbyshire actually delved into that and found the average Negro slave was better nourished than the average White sharecropper or northern immigrant.

Lineman
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Lineman

Indentured Servants had it way worse but since they were mostly white we don’t hear anything about it…They would actually try to work them to death towards their last year’s so they wouldn’t have to reward them for their service…

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Calsdad

If the left is basing their moral empire on the wording of the Declaration – instead of their constant mis-interpretation of the Constitution – I’m somewhat encouraged Because the Declaration pretty much allows us to separate, and resist, and says that all men are CREATED equal – but not that they remain that way. It also says you may PURSUE happiness – it doesn’t guarantee you’re going to get it – and it doesn’t say anything about your happiness coming at my expense. If that’s the founding document they want to rest their future on – I’m not sure it’s… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

Your logic is irrelevant in this case – they change on a dime according to what works at the time, they’re untroubled by rationality or hypocrisy, and both the Constitution and Declaration are dead letters . . . except to TruCons and civnats . . . who are determined to nobly lose come what may.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Toleranced is weakness and Weakness breeds Opportunism Wen the US Right traded out religious ideology for money cucking , it became Leftist and nothing is worse than Blue on Blue An actual Right would be willing to enforce a fixed probably religion driven procivic moral standard at gunpoint .And if it eschews homosexuality , porn , abortion , drugs or easy divorce it has to punish people and punish at least socially advocates for it A really Rightwing society regulates trade and commerce for the public good since a healthy people withs steady work is the foundation of a moral… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

You’ve got an authoritorian government.
You’ve got a legally-enforced moral order.
Happy?

The problem is, nobody is willing to admit, “well, that wasn’t such a good idea”, and scrap the program.

They refuse to even see the damage.
Then the damage becomes a federal program, not limited to a city or state.
That’s the biggest damage of all.

Exile
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Exile

Governments by definition are authoritarian institutions that exist to enforce moral order, FFS. There is no historical example of a successful society without authoritarian enforcement of moral order. To adults, how you accomplish this is the important question, not whether “non-moral non-authoritarian government” is possible (which it isn’t).

https://vdare.com/posts/reasoning-with-reasonoids-i-have-been-sent-by-your-forebears-to-knock-some-sense-into-your-wayward-skulls-full-of-mush

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

You’re too late, so Keep Conserving.

Since “open borders” is a federal issue, you prove my point. Big isn’t always beautiful.

Conservatives were as happy to trample the states’ citizenry as leftists in their lust for power- turning us against each other for their own gain, rather than against foreign influence.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

No argument the current order is broken but this isn’t about the GOPe or other faux Conservatives. They are just looter cucks and Leftists 20 years behind the rest Everyone knows this. This is about getting power to enforce what in the past would have been known as Conservative social norms. That is the the job of the Dissident Right , if they want power anyway. They have to make a new one using the good parts of the old one and whatever tools they have and know to use It’s not hard, know who your people you are and… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

If it were my moral order damn right I’d be happy. Hell when i was a boy something close to my moral order was enforced and it was a decent country On the whole till they went cuckoo around 25 years ago the current people in charge did a pretty good job at making sure the basics were taken care of This means if someone else wants to become “the New Elite” they had better learn to do the basics even better. That’s what a rotation of the elite is, someone else takes charge and does better or if weak… Read more »

Shane
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Shane

Is this our future though Z? It seems that the Anglophone World is legitimatly on a path to immolation and is dragging the rest of the West along to destruction. You’ve made a comment recently in your letters to Zman that a resegregation and a return to freedom of association is a potential step. I can’t see it. The USSR collapsed bloodlessly but the level of hatred towards the White population and the levels of self loathing among the proggessive hordes make this unlikely to me. I don’t want to be blackpilled and I wish to God or Gnon that… Read more »

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

And just as an aside, in that article Z linked to, why is the “American Conservative” publishing an article trying to stir up white guilt about the Philippine frickin Insurrection, of all things! Whether or not annexing the Philippines was a good idea, the war ended in 1903, which was 116 years ago, and the Philippines hasn’t been a US possession since 1935. Anyone who had anything to do with it is dead. Hell, their kids are dead, and their grandkids are getting up there. What exactly is the purpose of this besides “White man bad, US Imperialism bad”? If… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

These are all excuses, not actual causes, of antiwhite hatred. In the US it’s slavery, and occasionally the Indians, and now the Philippines. In Germany it’s you-know-who, in Britain it’s imperialism. But then there’s Sweden, Norway, Denmark and all the other Western European places. There it’s just ‘racism is baaad!’ I mean, Sweden, no black man has set foot there before the friggin airplane was invented to fly him there. It’s not a place Mabubu and his family would just randomly stroll into. Slavery is not the cause of any of this. Slavery in the US is just a weaponized… Read more »

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

Very much agree. Rule number one – the white man is always wrong, especially if he’s American.With regard to the Philippines, as with Iraq, the US couldn’t win. If we had let the Spanish keep them and continue to repress the Pinoys, we would have been guilty of “turning our backs on the victims of Imperialism”. Had we freed them and then left them to be snapped up by the Germans or the Japs (which is almost certainly what would have happened) we would have been guilty of “throwing them to the wolves”. And had we freed them and set… Read more »