Post-Intellectual America

The sorry state of American conservatism is a regular topic in dissident circles, mostly because the decaying carcass of Conservative Inc. continues to stagger around politics and the media. Some parts continue to do the best they can in their gatekeeper role, while others continue to rationalize Progressive fanaticism. It staggers on mostly because of donor money that keeps the various rackets going. For how long is unknown, as the source of that money is now quite old.

An example is the recently dead David Koch. A long time libertarian fanatic, he and his brother poured tens of millions into so-called conservatism. They kept Reason Magazine afloat and helped set up its finances so it will persist after the Koch brothers are gone. They also played an active role in turning Buckley-style conservatism into warmongering libertarianism. Neocon money on one side and Koch brother’s money on the other defined post-Cold War conservatism.

The trouble with this structure is it operated like a vice, squeezing everything useful out of the Right, leaving nothing but pens for hire, career men and fanatics. What was squeezed from conservatism was any reason to support it. On the one hand, it wished to turn men into moist robots serving the economy. On the other it sought to convince Americans they had to be cannon fodder in the national pursuits of Israel. Its political pitch to white Americans was reduced to, “But the Left is much worse.”

You see the emptiness of conservatism in this Kevin Williamson post about how David Koch was supposedly on the Right. The post itself is mostly about Williamson, who has taken to writing like a teenage girl of late. Everything is about his feelings now. Putting that aside, his claim for placing David Koch on the Right, and presumably libertarians as a whole, is that he liked ballet. This is supposedly evidence of his love for high culture, which according to Williamson is the exclusive domain of the Right.

Of course, the question of whose high culture never enters the discussion, as that treads on dangerous territory. For the modern conservative, “culture” has come to mean a universal thing that anyone can enjoy. More important, it has no origin. It just popped from the void, fully formed. Koch’s alleged love for this mystical thing supersedes his support for open borders and globalism, not to mention his support for Progressive causes like homosexual marriage and abortion on demand.

Another reason co-called conservatives were happy to call Koch a right-winger is the Left was happy to call him a right-winger. The best maneuver in the Progressive playbook is to select the leaders of their opponents. They focus their attention on one soft target, making that person the symbol of their cause. That person then becomes the easily mocked and ridiculed leader of the opposition. For example, they turned the alt-right into a joke by cultivating Richard Spencer as the face of the movement.

In the case of the Koch brothers, the Left was happy to make them the bad guys, as they were never going to be a threat. Instead, they would pour millions into conservative operations, which would happily purge themselves of social conservatives and skeptics of global capitalism. That neocon – libertarian sandwich that was conservatism, became the other slice of the Progressive sandwich that controls American politics. The choice is a libertarian warmonger or a Progressive fanatic. That’s democracy!

The end result of that neocon – libertarian vice is that so-called conservatism was stripped of its intellectual core, as well as its connection to its intellectual history. Rather than a defense of tradition and the moral order, conservatism became a public relations department for the plutocrats financing them. Like every racket, the money is always what comes first. Conservative writers are just common streetwalkers, going with whoever pulls up to the curb. They’ll do anything for a buck.

In fairness, their dancing partner is no better. It largely goes unremarked, but the Left is every bit as intellectually vacant as conservatism. They are silent on global capitalism and silent on the ramifications of the post-national order. They are entirely incoherent on why they support the things they support. The conservative case for men in dresses is ridiculous, but looks erudite compared to the Progressive case. The modern Left is a toddler rolling on the floor, sobbing out incoherent demands.

Of course, the purpose of the commentariat in current year America is to operate as an endless distraction. The Left carries on so that their side does not notice that politics is now controlled by a handful of billionaires and their hired men in politics. The Right has the job of keeping the white middle-class focused on punching at air, while those billionaires tighten their grip on the economy and culture. Conservatives and liberals are now just the entertainment portion of the custodial state.

Perhaps this is just the natural transition from one historic cycle to the next. We are arguably at the end of several long historic cycles. The Enlightenment, the Industrial Age and the American Empire are all reaching a denouement. The confluence of these three final acts is responsible for the great tumult in the West. The lack of an intellectual class is simply the result of these cycles having run their course. What comes next is a new intellectual class for the demographic and technological age.


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Ajclement
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Ajclement

“What comes next is a new intellectual class for the demographic and technological age.” The question at hand is what will this new class going to look like and what will they espouse? Spicy times ahead…

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Ajclement said: “The question at hand is what will this new class going to look like and what will they espouse?”

Marshall McLuhan said: ” We drive into the future using only our rearview mirror.”
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/marshall_mcluhan_130541

History is packed with wisdom. Somebody will simply have to go back and bring it forward. What else is there?

Sleepy
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Sleepy

Great post. The only thing I would add is this: That sandwich, made with one slice “neocon – libertarian” and the other slice “Progressive,” is prepared for you in a Kosher deli…

Vegetius
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Vegetius

From a man who knew a thing or two about dissident politics: “In general the art of all truly great national leaders at all times consists among other things primarily in not dividing the attention of a people, but in concentrating it upon a single foe. The more unified the application of a people’s will to fight, the greater will be the magnetic attraction of a movement and the mightier will be the impetus of the thrust. It belongs to the genius of a great leader to make even adversaries far removed from one an-other seem to belong to a… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

I’m not a fan of quoting Hitler because it’s too easy for midwits defending the kosher sandwich to pretzel these arguments b/c DevilHitler made them. It’s low-hanging fruit for them to pick, saying “see, your focus on the Jews is deceitful and unfounded, just because we’re different, successful, ooooooy!” Anyone who wants to dispute the concept that you should always try to identify who your enemies are and prioritize your efforts by their effectiveness is welcome to try. Likewise for anyone who disputes that mass political movements have to sloganeer and simplify their message. The idea that Hitler unjustly “scapegoated”… Read more »

Sleepy
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Sleepy

A common misconception (deliberately propagated?) is that Hitler was the “father of antisemitism,” and thus all antisemitism is “literally Hitler.” This canard is easily dispelled by learning about key European political actors who came before him, including ones who influenced him.

As the saying goes, “money is the mother’s milk of politics.” (Jesse Unruh) If this is so, then who is providing the milk to both sides would seem to be an important thing to know:

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Exile
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Exile

As a bit of Jew-jitsu, you can also make use of David Horowitz’s https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/ – treat it like Wikipedia, unreliable for some kinds of connections, useful fo others

Vegetius
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Vegetius

>midwits

I rarely do it for precisely that reason. But there aren’t too many of those around here, and I think Z’s passive-agressive approach to the Q is past its sell by date. I mean, Allsup’s media presence was liquidated because of the ADL, and everyone from Fuentes to Moly is being dragged to the right by both their audience and events.

While I think the reflexive sperg-outs whenever the Nose is invoked are bad, as things get more tribal a nuanced stance becomes a handicap. It’s nothing personal, it’s about winning.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

hahaha good one

Da Booby
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Conservativism should not even exist. it lost the war 60 years ago. The academic left now controls the state. Political parties may fight over who gets to sit on top of that pile for a few years but it makes no practical difference. By being a conservative now you only empower the academic left. Being honest, getting a job, starting a business, paying your taxes…. all that just fuels the state machinery which the far-left now controls. Get married, have children, try to keep the family unit together. Yeah, fight on brother. That’s exactly what the left wants you to… Read more »

Carl B.
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Carl B.

I’ve heard similar sentiments somewhere before- oh yeah, “Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out” circa 1966. That advice eventually gave us current year Amerika.

Every generation has its “dissidents” yet the Leviathan grows ever larger, more malevolent, and more powerful. So it’s the same age-old question: Will the Leviathan go out with a bang – or a whimper.

Stay, ahem, tuned…

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Oh please. The Left methodically took over the establishment at that time because they were ruthless and determined. The white conservatives being total dumbshits thought if they just voted hard enough and put in enough Republicans things would get better. They never did because the political system is rigged. In regards to the saying, it’s a good one. Saw lots of white men being crushed into serfdom by playing the game, Look the corporations took away job stability, pensions, decent benefits packages, etc. Today you worry about being out-sourced or your company being off-shored to China. That’s what hard work… Read more »

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“Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out”

That was the leftist plan…and it worked for them. We need to do the same to the left using different tactics. We need to bring down the house on their heads.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Very few people turned on, tuned in or dropped out. The 80’s after all was the Greed is Good era in which Gordon Gecko , the villain became the hero to all those hippies. What happened is simple, the Left having little other focus than political power ran circles around the Right who were focused only on money. This was to be expected, the US has always been populated with money junkies and grifters. I mean in the 20th century we used bombers to break up strikes. This along with technology lead to a bigger state and this gave everyone… Read more »

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

the 80’s was a very “white” decade (if you know what I mean…

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I was there so yep.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Carl B said: “I’ve heard similar sentiments somewhere before- oh yeah, “Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out” circa 1966. That advice eventually gave us current year Amerika.”
Hey! I got it! Instead of calling White hetrosexual traditionalist dropouts hippies, how about we call them Amish or Mennonites or Hutterites?

AltitudeZero
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AltitudeZero

Despair is a sin, Booby. Surely you know that.

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That’s not despair. That’s thinking we need to speed this process along. I’m in agreement with him

AltitudeZero
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AltitudeZero

I appreciate your point of view, but I can’t agree. Accelerationism is like being in a car heading for a cliff, and then stepping on the gas because you figure that the sooner you go over, the sooner you’ll learn to fly. I wish you luck, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

Da Booby
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We’re not heading for a cliff, we’re slowly being eaten alive by parasites. So long as you keep feeding the state you will keep losing. Stop feeding the parasites.

Member

White people have become slaves of the state. It’s time to throw off our shackles

Federalist
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Federalist

Tax avoidance, not joining the military, etc. is fine. But not getting married and having children is suicide for our people. You don’t fight back by ceasing to exist.

Da Booby
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We force Western white princesses to actually marry the diversity that they wax poetic about. Then suddenly hating the straight white male loses its appeal.

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Da Booby said : “We force Western white princesses to actually marry the diversity that they wax poetic about.”
Fly their butts to Istanbul, and sell them to a turkish pimp.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

For some reason Da Booby got a lot of down votes from all the White Knights It’s called sarcasm people . Now to your point. Slavery is allowed under the Constitution as a punishment for crime . Why send them to Istanbul when there is plenty of demand here? Limit one per household, no industrial use for brothels or porn . Married men require written permission of wife to purchase since this disrupts the marriage relationship . Some restrictions apply Some are quite pretty as well and a few guys might be willing to take the chance of trying to… Read more »

Federalist
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Federalist

“We force Western white princesses to actually marry the diversity that they wax poetic about”?
How do we do that?

“Then suddenly hating the straight white male loses its appeal.”
So, we somehow force white women to marry non-whites and then they won’t hate us anymore?

Are you Whiskey from Steve Sailer’s blog?

Exile
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Exile

Less Whites, more orcs = bad math, and once they go black, we don’t want them back.

Cutting off our hoes to spite our race.

You’ve OD’d on the black pills, bruv. Regroup.

TheLastStand
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TheLastStand

Gotta disagree. Stop white knighting for the feminist woke ones, yes. Hand them over to our competition? Hell no.

We cannot give up on white women. Without them we have no white children and no future. If the state rigs the game, build alternative institutions.

Vox Day gets flak here, but he has a point and is actually trying to be the change he wants.

Member

He didn’t say “don’t have children”, he said to avoid marriage. He also advised that children should be encouraged to avoid the military. My father, a WWII vet, didn’t want me in the military, either. I’ll always be grateful to him for that advice.

Federalist
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Federalist

He said getting married, having children, and trying to keep the family unit together was what the left wants us to do. That means “don’t have children.”

I don’t think anyone commenting today disagreed with avoiding the military. That’s two different things.

Bart
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Bart

Yay, more bastards!

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

AltitudeZero said : ” Despair is a sin, Booby. Surely you know that.”

Oswald Spengler said: ” Optimism is cowardice.”

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It seems to me that the academy is ripe for taking over. Moreover, getting control of the academy is the first step to reversing the leftward drift of the culture, government and business. It must start in k-12 and continue into graduate school.
Without getting control of children, we are in a hopeless rear-guard action.

Member

You’re a homosexual, aren’t you?

UFO
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UFO

Agree with not voting, not paying taxes, paying cash, etc.

But if you don’t have kids that is racial suicide. Just redpill your kids. As long as you’re not a lazy parent (99% of parents are) they will be fine. That is just nonsensical.

Instead of not starting businesses, start businesses and cater only to white people. Or give whites a better price under the table. Avoid taxes. But living a life on welfare is just failure, because you don’t further the cause of the white race.

Drake
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Drake

Never put much thought into the Koch’s. I just assumed that they wanted cheap Mexican labor and lots of government contracts to keep the billions rolling in. I too consider most “conservative” political writers to be whores.

Chet Rollins
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Chet Rollins

Nah. Whores at least you leaving feeling satisfied.

Drake
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Drake

You aren’t the one paying these whores. The Koch’s seem satisfied with their investment at Reason. And the guys over at Reason gave him a good tongue bath in their obituary

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This is supposedly evidence of his love for high culture, which according to Williamson is the exclusive domain of the Right.

Artsy types are notoriously right wing, don’t you know?

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Williamson is a Class A Number One douche. He aspires to Cuck-dom.

AltitudeZero
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AltitudeZero

He can quit aspiring, he’s made it. Williamson makes David French look like Andrew Anglin. The man is a wonder of nature, when he dies he should be stuffed and put on display. He consistently more than lives up to his reputation

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Gotta disagree. David French is the King of the Cucks. Williamson sucks, but he’s more like a Cuck viceroy.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

French is King of the cucks, and Williamson is Pope of the cucks (cue SCTV sketch).

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Ostei Kozelskii

My guess is that Williamson was saying that the Left, because of its hyper-egalitarianism and hatred for white people, abhors high culture and even denies that any culture is “higher” than any other. That said, my suspicion is you won’t find many Trump voters in your average orchestra, Shakespeare theater troupe or art museum.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

I’m at most a lukewarm (or lukecold) Trump voter hoping for a better alternative, but I go to orchestra concerts, watch and read Shakespeare, and head for art museums in every city I visit. And it would not be surprising to find that most trad or dissident conservatives are similar.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I’m a Trump voter and very much a patron of high culture, too. And I agree that others of our ilk do the same. But if any prominent music director, museum director, etc. publicly declared his support for Trump or traditional conservatism it would instantaneously destroy his career.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

you could not be more wrong.

John Smith
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The alt-right was not destroyed by Spencer alone. There were plenty of other clowns too; fags like Milo and Vox Day… Cerno wasn’t much better. Those guys were about capering and dancing for the cameras and selling badly written books. Anyone with a lick of sense could see the left slapping the racism label on them from a mile away. If you guys can manage to keep that stuff out of your politics and keep them intelligent and intellectual – the dissident right stands to clean up. After all… you’re the only adults in the room right now. Adding to… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

As the troubles deepen, people desperately cast about for answers and solutions. Charlatans and would-be dictators thrive in such an environment. The question for our thing is “how far are you willing to go, despite your scruples, to force your agenda on the situation?”

Flair 1239
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I still haven’t figure out Vox Day’s gig yet. The whole living in Italy thing and boutique publishing just screams money laundering to me. The coziness with Cernovich is just odd, as Cernovich is by no means right wing much less dissident Right.

Then the surrounding with syncophants… anybody who disagrees is a gamma. I don’t know.

I like his site though because he does link to some good stuff, that is how I found this site.

Exile
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Exile

He’s useful, adjacent to us but not allied. I normally don’t think guys with that level of vanity and his kind of connections are to be trusted, but he seems willing to take fire for “his” people. I’d deal with him at arms-length, trust but verify, no access to sensitive info.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

Vox hates America because it put his psychopathic criminal father in prison. He is a traitor and regularly roots for America’s enemies. Other than that he is a swell fellow.

Chris_Lutz
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From what little I’ve been able to piece together, he seems to do some programming work. Plus, his publishing seems to do decent. Not like there is a lot of upfront capital needed to make that work. He creates sycophants the old fashioned way by tell people how brilliant he is. If you follow him, you’re obviously smart as well. Three things Vox seems good at are programming, understanding SJWs, and selling himself and his products. Everything else, take with a grain of salt. His understanding of Christianity is simplistic. He sees conspiracies everywhere. He’s a guy who is very… Read more »

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Bruno the Arrogant

i don’t think the alt-right was ever destined to become an institution. I think of them more as a kamikaze mission. Yes, they were loud and obnoxious, and yes they ended up alienating their prospective mainstream support. But they were a necessary part of the process. There was no way white identity politics was going to work its way into public discourse through polite articles in the periodicals. It had to leap onto the stage with a crash and a bang, or it would have been smothered in its cradle. I hardly think of the alt-right as a failure. While… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Yup. Milo is what started to wake me up. That and r/the_donald.

You can’t go from total cucked immersion in schools, to full on DR white nationalist. You have to slowly work up. From Milo I was introduced to the alt-lite. I then found the_donald. from there I found 4chan. then 8chan. then discord. then …….. etc.

that’s why the alt lite cucks were the first to go. because they are like the introduction to the serious stuff for kids.

understimate their impact at your own peril. don’t purity spiral too hard.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

” … what are we going to do with all these shrieking toddlers that won’t take ‘no’ for an answer?”

A good spanking?

Prussian
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Prussian

In fairness, many of the books brought to us with the help of Spencer have been exceptional. Richard Lynn titles, including the recent ‘Race Differences in Psychopathic Personality’ for one. The collection of essays ‘The Great Purge’ is, in my opinion, the best take-down of Con., Inc. ever assembled. That we’ve finally gotten Armin Mohler’s ‘The Conservative Revolution in Germany’, translated by the great F. Roger Devlin, I consider a huge deal. It’s even better than I’d hoped it would be, and merits very close study. My copy of that last book is filled with underlines and notes, and you… Read more »

Christian Attorney in Ohio
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Christian Attorney in Ohio

The Koch brothers, like most GOP donors, love mass immigration and globalism. However, to give the devil his due, I don’t think you can describe them as warmongers. From what I have read, they were sympathetic to a noninterventionist/realist foreign policy.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

What kind of Christian gives the devil his due? Pretend Christian! That’s the only kind you find in America.

TomA
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TomA

Evolution has endowed us with traits that culminated from a gauntlet of fitness selection spanning hundreds of thousands of years. One of the most fundamental of these is that the path to inspire group action is most effective when leadership is demonstrated tangibly, typically by feats of courage or strength. Highfalutin’ persuasion is a luxury of leisure and rarely effective in a pinch.

Maus
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Maus

Tell that to Cataline and the other conspirators who died extrajudicially as a direct result of Cicero’s rhetoric. Though he was not a military guy like Caesar or Pompey, and was a new man from the sticks, Cicero had his moment in the sun entirely due to “highfalutin’ persuasion.”

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

Too bad the art of rhetoric is dead. We could use our own Cicero!

TomA
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TomA

So you’re saying that had you lived in the time of Cicero, you would have been a follower and did his bidding? Doesn’y that say more about you than him?

Maus
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Maus

I am a rhetorician and a lawyer. I respect that Cicero was a master at the craft. Had I been his contemporary, I would have been his friend and colleague, not his client or follower. Read De Amicitia and you might grasp the difference.

Exile
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Exile

Cicero is the Roman Alcibiades. Admiration for crafty sophists with entirely situational ethics is a distinct hazard of the legal profession.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

you’re a catamite is what you are.

Maus
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Maus

You know Zman, it’s utterly puerile shit like this that is going to drive me to peace out on the comments. I may not be the most popular or astute contributor, but I strive to avoid ad hominems and sheer trolling. I can’t be the only one who deplores the recent decline in the civility of the commentariat. Does this McHungus fool really add anything worthwhile? I’ve seen little evidence of it. I am not advocating for censorship of ideas; but moderation was designed to sweep out just such unfounded opinions. Give that some consideration before your brand is irreparably… Read more »

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Intellectuals, true intellectuals are realists. They keep their heads up. They keep their helmets on. Realist thinking is truthfull thinking. They do not go along to get along. Most of the MBA’s I have encountered in my business life more often than not had no practical experience. They did go along and got along. We laughed at those people. They played the role but were all without exceptions empty suits. The intellectual cream rises to the top. It’s foundation is built in truth. That truth hurts only the weak and incompetent posers.

DLS
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DLS

As a recovering MBA, I have to agree. Two years of my life, and I cannot see any way it helps me except resume enhancement. Went back for a CPA and use it every day.

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I have met a number of MBAs that were A OK number one. They all started their own businesses. They were all successful. The consultants proved to be the worst business types I encountered. Most of the accountants were top notch. If anyone wants to know about an individual they may do business with they should ask them about their experience. I found that question to be more valuable than what degree they may have. These perceptions are based on my personal business dealings.

Ultra-Pasteurized
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Ultra-Pasteurized

Sandwiches…running around with their hair on fire….toddlers rolling on the floor demanding things…

I enjoy your metaphors.

Sandwiches. I’m so f-ing starving right now…

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Ostei Kozelskii

The toddler line was the best in this piece, IMO. I chuckled at the imagery.

Yves Vannes
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Conjobs have few followers…but they do have money and access. We should ignore the progressive anti-whites for the time being and dispose of their rearguard first. Replacing who represents YT is probably 75% of our battle.

dad29
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The Enlightenment, the Industrial Age and the American Empire are all reaching a denouement. The confluence of these three final acts is responsible for the great tumult in the West.

Huh.

Bishop Fulton Sheen observed in 1974 that we are witnessing ‘the end of Christendom.’ He clarified to the effect that Western civilization was abandoning its Christian foundation. (That is to say, it is not ‘the end of Christianity’ nor ‘the end of the Catholic church.’)

Your statement and +Sheen’s are congruent…..

Exile
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Exile

Feedback loop. Christianity tempered the worst effects of the Enlightenment, but the Reformation-Enlightenment virus is killing Christianity in similar fashion to how Soviet Cult-Marxism is killing the West from beyond its Cold War grave. Christianity has to adapt to survive. Those who want to preserve it rather than destroy it under the guise of Vatican II, NuWorship-style “reformation” need to start looking for who and what to put in the lifeboats, and where to land them.

JescoWhite
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JescoWhite

Protestants are not really Protestants if they don’t know why they’re not Catholics. That describes the vast majority of American Christians. Most of them seem to reject being part of a flock, envy Judaism, and take credit for the good works of Catholicism. The Church is in need of metamorphosis yet all they do is count coup.

Exile
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Exile

Caths and Prots both need a reframe – a strong, clean break with “Judeo-Christianity,” express recognition that Whites are the race that is best equipped to lead by example (to the extent we have to preserve universalism), rejection of institutional focus on “tikkun olam” social policies, reorientation to good works for those closest at hand – family, local community. Those are a good start off the top of my head.

Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

Massively off topic, but has been able to sign up for Gab? I keep getting 422 errors when I fill out the form on the homepage.

Federalist
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Federalist

For some reason, Gab is offline right now.

Jeff Albertson
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Jeff Albertson

I can sign on but that’s about it. It’s buggy at, last three days or so.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

what’s next, questions on how to fill out your tax return?!

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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My Dear Sir, “Buckley-style conservatism.” You are wrong and wronging the dead. To conflate what we have now and yes have had this century to Buckley, to equate Lowry and Williamson and that pimp spawn Goldberg is completely in error. Unless you want to throw in Sobran, Sowell, Buchanan, Kirk, Whitaker Chambers, Barry Goldwater and Sen Joe Mccarthy in with them as well. All of those men had no voice, and only Buckley stood by McCarthy. Yes the current neo-Jew and paid cucks took over the magazine and the conservative brand. But those men were old, dying or are now… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉
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I’m just going to start calling them Neo-Jews. Perhaps too edgy?

3g4me
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3g4me

We owe the dead nothing but the truth. And Christ both judged people and taught his followers to do so, as well. Next you’ll be telling me there can be no differences between the races or sexes because of selective, out of context biblical quotes.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Rcocean
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Rcocean

Buckley stood with Joe McCarthy in the 1950s, but by the 1990’s he was firmly in the Neo-con Camp. He supported Bush in 1992, attacked Pat Buchanan, and sold out over Immigration. Who do you think approved Goldberg and Lowrey to run NR?

Exile
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Exile

You’re wrong on Buckley. Read Brimelow’s stuff about him (ie https://vdare.com/articles/william-f-buckley-jr-rip-sort-of). He may have started with good intentions and done some noble things, but when the chips were down he threw his men to the wolves, wallowed in vanity and acted as a donor-class shill and yapping guard-poodle.

Exile
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Exile

Part of the blame for our shriveled intellectual and cultural classes is often placed with our financialized and mass-consumption economy that has no effective pricing mechanism for social capital. I’ve read some of Charles Hugh-Smith’s stuff, some MMT and other heterodox econ wonkery claiming to have bold new ideas on how to systemically fix our valuation/pricing system. They point fingers at how our present system’s lopsided commerce-first values reward mass-producing-widget-merchants and financial hucksters, leaving our public intellectuals and our “high culture” largely subject to the philanthropic whims of our ultra-elites and their patronized toadies like Mr. Williamson. That said, I… Read more »

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Exile: That comment, along with so many of yours, is a keeper. I was privileged to get a degree based on years of study and learning. The deconstructivists were just starting to overtake campuses at the time (late ’70s) but I was able choose among many truly learned older professors. I value learning and education of all sorts, very much including vocational and practical, but the modern mantra that one goes to college to get a job is a perversion of the university’s true intent. “The modern midwits of the managerial class,” indeed. Fwiw, did anyone else note that a… Read more »

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She’s a Farsimerican. Persians remind me of Pajeets in how they’ve adapted to Clown World rules – we have tons here in SoCal. They know which buttons to push to get the desired effect, pure power players, not true believers. FWIW, empowered wahmen Pajeets and Persians seem more inclined to mash every button on the launch control console than the men. She knows the AS button is Defcon 1. I welcome its over-use. They’re going to make people as deaf to this slur as “rayciss,” and Pajeets and Persians will be major appropriators and over-abusers. Wait until the Chosen have… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

The authors reminisce that It wasn’t uncommon in pre-1960’s America to find proles fluent in Greek or Latin who enjoyed high culture like opera, symphony and even ballet. There was a mass market for high culture and serious intellectual works. The Last of the Mohicans was a runaway hit back in the mid 19th. C. – a dire, long-winded tome, laced with philosophical and naturalist observations. A hundred years later, aimed at essentially the same market, you had Tarzan – a children’s book by comparison. Part of it is that people have a lot of alternatives to culture these days,… Read more »

Exile
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K12 education isn’t doing enough to provide that foundation that enables appreciation. Hanson & Heath really hammered on the rarity of quality teachers who can make students grasp how the ancient wisdom and higher arts are relevant, stressing that Classics’ relevance has been debated in America since Colonial times, with someone always meeting the challenge. They blast their generation and those after for abandoning the modern fight for shekels and pats on the head, and they’re openly pessimistic, basically hoping for a Great Man or some external force to save the field.

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Without awareness and an understanding of the white man’s civilization, whites cannot appreciate their own culture. As a great man once said: “You cannot love that which you do not know, and you will not fight for that which you do not love.”

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At this point I’d settle for even low culture, as long as its ours. The talk of the town round here was about a Lowrider chicano car cruise along a blvd to “celebrate Chicano pride and history in the neighborhood” culminating in a chicano pride party in the park. The name of the park? “La Raza”. Mozart and Machiavelli will be around, waiting to be embraced come the restoration. But when contemplating the loss of intellect within the foundational cultures of western civilization, we should not forget that the Culture is carried across the bell curve. We lost the Classics… Read more »

Karl McHungus
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our culture is alive and well. it just isn’t “popular”. want to go somewhere that all of the audience is white? go to a symphony. or a ballet, or the opera. read the classics. it’s all there, waiting for you 🙂

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Felix_Krull

At this point I’d settle for even low culture, as long as its ours.

Very good point.

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What I find truly depressing is that even Facebook is too “text-based” and wordy for Generation Z. By a long margin, the youngsters prefer Instagram because it’s just pictures and emojis with much less of this tiresome reading stuff. That’s why Facebook bought Instagram – to reach those youngsters with more targeted advertising.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

why are you on Facebook?

King Tut
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Being on FB is very useful for gauging and keeping up with normieworld.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

the Pete Townsend defense

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“People simply don’t have time for classical music.” I don’t think it’s a question of having the time, if you mean that literally. People find time for what is important to them, whether it’s classical music or tuning up their cars or computer games. It’s more that our commercial media and leftist-propagating school systems don’t give people a chance to develop a taste for high culture. Leonard Bernstein was an asshole in some ways, but he sincerely cared about creating audience appreciation for his art. His ’50s and ’60s TV programs helped an earlier generation to discover the pleasures of… Read more »

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

anyone who likes classical music, has time for it.

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I don’t think it’s a question of having the time, if you mean that literally.

Speaking strictly for myself, it took me years to learn to appreciate classical music, since my family is about as musical as a bowl of cold porridge dropped onto a concrete floor. I didn’t own a stereo until I was in my thirties and got one as a present.

I once had a girlfriend who was a soprano. She had shelves of classical music but apart from a few specific choral works, she only listened to them if her friends were there to witness it.

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How about a proper elite (i.e. not plutocrat run liberal democracy) controlling mass culture to the national/civilizational interest, to the maximal ennoblement of the masses, “capitalism and freedom”, plutocrats’ profits and degenerates’ unrestrained consumerism/hedonism, be damned? In other words, how about a return to the pre-liberal tradition of elites who restrict what goes on in the public square, to restrict social degeneration? Liberal “freedom” has first made the West nearly cultureless (Hollywood, et al do not merit the term “culture”), and has now led to left-liberal plutocrat control of the public square, and a collapse into enforced degeneration. It really… Read more »

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Though a Protestant, will be forever grateful to the Jesuits for teaching my sons Greek and Latin. My youngest daughter, just entering high school has opted for Latin as her four year language. There is hope.

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If several long term historical trends are reversing, one guesses that what comes next is a long way out and that we have to fall off a cliff in the meanwhile. It’s hard for me to see how we can just seamlessly transition to a new epoch without suffering the consequences of the insanity of the last 30 plus years. The world economy is in a massive worldwide bubble of unprecedented proportions. The wealth itself won’t disappear (unless it is physically destroyed in the chaos) but the claims on it will likely change. The millions of people ‘on the move’… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Actually, I think you could argue that America’s “intellectual class,” the professoriate, is largely responsible for the West’s sorry state. From Frankfurt School and second wave Frankfurt School (postmodernism/poststructuralism) theory emerged virtually all of the terrible ideas that have produced the cultural and social pathologies presently killing the West. Villains like Quentin Tarantino, Michael Moore and Jeff Bezos didn’t gain their ideology from a void. As for culture, last night I was at a conservative book club meeting and we were discussing the putative universality of Western culture. One chap, a friend of mine who’s a major buff of classical… Read more »

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To be fair, the Congo, with a GDP per capita of $675 (https://answersafrica.com/top-10-poorest-countries-in-africa.html), does try, with some outside help. Kinshasa has a symphony orchestra, the Kimbanguist Symphony Orchestra, with 200 musicians and vocalists. It’s the only symphony orchestra in Central Africa and the only all black symphony orchestra in the world. I wouldn’t argue that Western culture in general is universal, but music does appear to be the universal language that speaks to the human spirit. I challenge you to watch this short video without at least a twinge of admiration, respect and wonder. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2kOMccvaTb0 African and Western orchestral music… Read more »

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This, in Swahili, is known as “uhaba”.

JR Wirth
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Who play the Ebola? Sorry, the Oboe. You know what? I’ll bet I wouldn’t have to step over needles and feces to get to the Kinshasa one, as opposed to the San Francisco one.

Bart
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Oh, I see, you aren’t supposed to notice.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Indeed, music in general is universal. There seems to be an innate human need or at least pronounced ability to appreciate music on some level. That said, all forms of music are not equally compatible with all cultures. You just won’t see many blacks at a Mostly Mozart festival. And by the same token, the native music of China and Japan seems to make virtually no impact outside of its home turf.

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Right. On the other hand, Japan and Singapore have excellent symphony orchestras that play mostly Western music, and young instrumental soloists seem increasingly to be of Asian origin. It’s possible that classical music’s prospects are more in Asia than the U.S. and Europe. I’ll take the art’s future wherever I can find it.

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Years ago a friend’s daughter spent four years as a violinist in the Sacramento Youth Symphony. I enjoyed many concerts during this time. It was an extraordinarily talented group of young classical musicians. Not one of whom was black or Mexican, despite the notable diversity of Sacramento. Draw your own conclusion, but no one familiar with HBD was shocked or dismayed.

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Classical music performance requires a stupendous dedication to practice, that is, scales in all forms and etudes. In other words, homework. Blacks don’t do homework. They will play all day though, hence success in pop and jazz. This is not a criticism, most classical musicians are not in fact creative, but time horizons are a very stubborn thing.

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Andre’ Watts 😛

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Ostei Kozelskii

Without looking at the roster of the renowned Detroit Symphony Orchestra, I’m guessing it does not accurately model the demographics of its eponymous city.

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Well, perhaps you didn’t notice Vondra , who plays first violin.

Maybe you forgot about Tyrone on the trombone?

Did you overlook Odell, who plays the oboe?

How about Cordell on the clarinet?

Did you see Tamika on the trumpet?

I know you did not forget the virtuoso performance of Cornell, the conductor.

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Well, Liberty Mike, I’m simply noticing the irony of “I asked him how many [symphony orchestras] there were in the Congo,” when there is indeed, against all odds, a symphony orchestra in the Congo. I didn’t say that Western culture is, in general, universal, nor that all forms of music are compatible with all cultures nor that all cultures are equal. I know very well what it takes to train a classical musician. But I do think If someone is unable to appreciate anything whatsoever simply because it’s derived from another culture or refuses to acknowledge inconvenient realities that conflict… Read more »

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I don’t know about now, but the Detroit Symphony was good back when Neeme Järvi was the conducting honcho. I expect the orchestra is constantly jabbed by the local establishment to hire more blacks so it “looks like Detroit.” (If it looked like Detroit, its concert hall would be empty and falling down.)

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Why were those ideas picked up and broadcast from across the ranks of the Western elite? Many different ideas have come out the professoriate. Why are some picked up, funded, promoted to hilt, while others are ignored, or banned? I’ve become inclined to think that the Western, i.e. liberal, elite find these ideas propitious, advantageous to their power/wealth, under current conditions. The evolution of capitalism first led to national markets of relative free trade and movement, and now is leading to globalization, to international freedom of trade and movement. I think today’s left-liberalism is the cover, the justification, for the… Read more »

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I have nothing to add except to boast that I triggered Williamson on NROs comment pages before they were deleted.

I asserted that Buckley conservatism and his articles on the yokels in flyover country who should just die was an attempt to convert all people into rootless cosmopolitans.

He accused me of anti-semitism, etc. though I had never brought it up. Nice to hear he’s still being a cuck.

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I’ve tangled with him on Twitter – very easy to trigger, prone to spray rather than aim. You hit a nerve with the rootless thing – he’s a flyover-class traitor striver/climber who’s made his bones in the sub-elite ranks by climbing over his own kin and childhood community.

His online personality suggests his ex is right about him (https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2019/08/kevin-williamsons-ex-wife-is-batshit-crazy-3130216.html)

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His online personality suggests his ex is right about him (https://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2019/08/kevin-williamsons-ex-wife-is-batshit-crazy-3130216.html)

The home-life of a sub-elite “conservative”. Now, I can have a negative opinion of KW, with no second thoughts, ever.

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I heard he’s from El Paso or something like that, so there’s a rich mine of material to trigger that self-hating s-stain.

Rcocean
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That Kevin Williamson would be the Koch Brothers eulogist is fitting. Both will/would do anything for $$. Whores for gold.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

and your chicks for free

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One issue we have as a Pro-White movement is that we are not monolithic on our world view. I am a big fan of the TRS guys, but I cringe sometimes when Striker and Enoch start talking about managed economies. I don’t have any reservations about some Companies having to be more accountable to the government/people because of near monopoly conditions ( Microsoft, Google, Walmart). I also don’t mind the Government partnering with industry in some cases. But some of parts of the dissident Right are pretty communal. It is not necessarily and issue for right now because we all… Read more »

Exile
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“Unmanaged” economies can only function in White communities. Let’s make that happen together first and then worry about planning for the state(s) yet to come.

We’re not necessarily going to have one monolithic White ethnostate. I’m betting on multiple allied regional states here in North America, along European lines, loosely allied in a confederacy for mutual defense & common interests. We’ll probably see a different mix/balance of free and managed markets among them. There’s room for Sven’s White theocratic free market republic and the Enoch/Striker White Soviet state.

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Sleepy

Arguments about economics and the like would be the fulcrum of politics if whites still had their own countries. In the world we live in they are ancillary concerns. The issues facing us are existential rather than economic.

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Having just read the Williamson post, i can only say “Right on Z-man”. What an embarrassment – even for National Review. Hey, forget politics, Koch liked the Ballet. Well, you know who else loved the Ballet? Stalin. You know who loved the Opera? Hitler. IOW, this is like writing Koch was a “great conservative” because he liked Caviar instead of Big Macs. Interesting but irrelevant. Is Williamson implying that politically “conservatism” has been completely drained of meaning – and is just a sensibility ?

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IMO a lot of the despair and foreboding coming from so many directions is the death of opportunity in Western culture. Traditionally, “little guys” had all sorts of opportunities that would elevate them in some way over time. Buying a home, getting married and having children, investing in the markets, getting involved in the community, starting a business, working up the ladder in the corporate world. Nowadays, the little guy can’t afford a home, marriage and family brings all sorts of PC stuff front and center, the markets are mostly picked clean, getting involved in the community means either swallowing… Read more »

Ant Man Bee
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To increase their influence, the Koch brothers bought “Reason” magazine and its writers, which nobody cares about.

On the other hand, regarding influence, the Jews bought Harvard University, which powerful people DO care about.

Scale matters.

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The silver lining to all those YouTube purges yesterday (Allsup etc.) was that nothing is purged like that unless it has power, substance and most of all salience. History should teach us that today’s purged thought is tomorrow’s common knowledge. It also shows that intellectual weakness of the current era. Some upstart kids thousands of miles from DC can disrupt like that? As a matter of fact, I think being purged is almost the seal of approval of tomorrow’s success. In the future, no one will be reading Dana Milbank articles. Who does now?

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“libertarian fanatic”
In what way are the Koch’s libertarian?

Both of them have used the power of the State wherever possible to entrench their quasi-monopoly on heavy oil refining, by definition, Libertarian warmonger is an oxymoron. Pouring millions into the DC Conservative shit-show is the act of fascists not libertarians.

They are no more Libertarian than Madonna is a Virgin.

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Drake

The “libertarians” at Reason are just useful idiots for the Koch’s. They still think opening the borders to millions of commie-voting third world morons will make us more free. They have to use their “principles” to square that circle.

Rcocean
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Yeah, the Ol’ ‘No true Libertarian” argument. Which we’ve seen about 10,000 times. Next up, we don’t *understand* what real Libertarianism means.

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thezman said: “The sorry state of American conservatism is a regular topic in dissident circles, mostly because the decaying carcass of Conservative Inc. continues to stagger around politics and the media.” Here’s a quote from an artical intitled: “Conservatism, Theonomy, Kinism, and Perspective.” From a site called ” Faith & Heritage.” “Absent God’s Law-Word, the very concept of conservatism is retrograde. Absent the immutable authority of revelation, conservatism can neither halt its slide nor even definitively identify its own anchoring ideals. This is the dilemma highlighted by Schaeffer’s leading interrogative: “by what standard?” Like its sister, progressivism, which has no… Read more »

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Indeed, “conservatism” is either wholly devoted to conserving liberalism and degeneration, or it is highly revolutionary, and not really Burkean any longer, in my opinion. It’s either a wholesale overthrow, or it’s conserving left-liberalism and Western oblivion. The question is “whereto”, what are the principles and destination that stand above modernity, and justify its obliteration. The traditional Catholic’s Aristotelian-Thomism and Catholic State, Guenon’s and Evola’s Tradition, Right-Nietzscheanism’s passage beyond Last Man, Right-Heideggerianism, like that of Alexander Dugin, and a movement beyond liberalism rooted in a people’s traditions? I lean toward the latter two these days, though I still have a… Read more »

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Prussian said: “…though I still have a great deal of reading and thinking to do.” Perhaps you’ll read the artical I posted above from the Faith & Heritage website. See what you think.

Prussian
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I may not get to it tonight, but I will read it. I should warn you, though, I lean strongly Eastern Orthodox and traditional Catholic. I view the men of Mt. Athos as the exemplars of Christianity in the modern world (I haven’t looked into Oriental Orthodoxy much, but Coptic monastics, for example, I’m also inclined to greatly respect). I was a devoted traditional Catholic, but I came to not only reject Vatican II, but I also came to have problems with Vatican I and ultramontanism. Much as I like and agree with 19th century ultramontanism as a tool of… Read more »

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@Prussian. That’s all quite amazing. I on the other hand, was raised in small, plain, non-denominational churchs with rough hard wood floors. And the preacher would pound on the pulpit, shouting about hell fire and getting right with Jesus. We were just simple working folk you understanding.

Prussian
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I come from a solid working class/lower middle class background myself. I’m wired quite differently from just about everyone in my extended family, however (not in terms of greater intelligence, just in terms of interests and the like). Both my parents’ families were Catholic, but none of them became priests, monks, or nuns. I attended Novus Ordo Catholic grade and middle school, and confirmation classes in high school, but it didn’t really stick. Being forced to sing, for example, “On Eagle’s Wings” and “They’ll Know We Are Christians By Our Love” to the piano during Novus Ordo mass (I think… Read more »

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It’s hard enough defining and defending conservative standards in a unified, assimilated culture, but if you wander off into multi culturalism and diversity, the task becomes hopeless.

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I may have missed a reference in the OP or the comments, but some context needs to be put to the despicable Williamson’s column so that its utter cowardice is manifest. Williamson was on Maher’s show the night of the reputedly controversial comment (which, ironically, I agree with as a man of the actual Right). The Kochs, as you pointed out, are/were sugar daddies to the end stage Buckleyites. And there was ol’ Kev, yukking it up with Maher, just hours after the first Koch died and was vilified by the host, pimping a book. So what’s a cuckho to… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
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You’re right, Z, conservatism’s message today IS , all too often that “the Left is much worse.” Unfortunately, that it the case today. However poor Bush Sr and Junior were, Willy Jeff and The Light Bringer were infinitely worse. Ever since I unwisely voted to give Tricky Dick his “four more years”, my votes for POTUS have been less FOR one of the candidates and mostly AGAINST the other. Very often when I’m deciding whom to vote for, it comes down to who I would I would shoot FIRST. When I figure that out, then I vote for the other… Read more »

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You said:

They also played an active role in turning Buckley-style conservatism into warmongering libertarianism.

I met Charlie Koch years ago before he was famous (I did not know he was a billionaire) and had a chance to chat with him. I was kind of boring, but not a warmonger.

Do you have any reason to think the Koch brothers were warmongers?