Conspiracy

In America, conspiracy theories have always had a negative connotation, despite being the heart of most Hollywood thrillers and action films. The conspiracy theorist is someone, who is excessively distrustful, yet willing to accept massive leaps of logic to explain everyday phenomenon. They will also be very paranoid. After all, anyone who is onto the grand conspiracy is going to be seen as a threat by the conspirators and the powers that be, so the conspiracy theorist is always under threat.

It’s a funny dynamic, when you think about it. The elaborate, often ridiculous, conspiracy is the heart of so many popular movies and TV shows, yet the conspiracy theorists is a wacko and threat to society. Alex Jones had to be removed from the internet, due to being a conspiracy monger. Added to this is fake news spread on social media, which is a form of rumor designed to create conspiracies and conspiracy theorists. This trope is now so real, the US military has been assigned to tackle it.

Of course, fake news and conspiracy theories are a matter of perspective. For the Left, a conspiracy theory is any explanation that does not support their agenda. Trump secretly colluding with invisible Russians to mind control voters in the 2016 election is a perfectly rational explanation for his victory. People wondering why senior FBI men were colluding with foreign intelligence agencies to spy in the Trump campaign is a dangerous conspiracy theory, probably started by Russians.

Now, many, if not most, conspiracy theories are nutty and designed to get attention for the conspiracy theorist. That’s why Alex Jones exists. He figured out that if he entertainingly talked about conspiracies, he could generate a big audience willing to pay to see him perform. Red Ice, the popular alt-right YouTube show started life as a conspiracy theory outlet. Their stock and trade early on was space aliens and the paranormal. As Hollywood knows, conspiracy is good box office.

A funny thing about most hard core conspiracy theorists though, is they don’t have a lot of interest in genuine conspiracies. There are, after all, real conspiracies. They are common in politics, as politics is the business of plotting in secret to undermine opponents. Without conspiracies, there is no politics. Boris Johnson just learned this the other day when some of his colleagues plotted against him. These sorts of plots, however, have no interest to the conspiracy theorists.

Think about the two big conspiracies of the current year. We have the seditious coup plotted by senior elements of the security agencies. Then there is the on-going cover-up involving two attorneys general and two FBI directors. This is Cassius and Brutus plotting against Caesar, in terms of import and drama, yet the popular conspiracy mongers are not all that interested in the story. You would think the conspiracy guys would be all over it, just as proof that conspiracy are real.

Another conspiracy that seems to have gained little traction with the conspiracy community is the strange life and death of Jeffrey Epstein. Probably the most bizarre and salacious story in half a century, involving shadowy figures in the over class, has generated little interest from the conspiracy mongers. The weird thing about the Epstein case is it got more attention from the conspiracy theorists when he was just a shadowy fixer, than when he was the victim of a conspiracy.

You could easily write a couple of books on the conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 attacks. If you google “dancing Israelis” you get page after page of links to sites covering that angle. Ryan Dawson has done dozens of videos on it. These guys are examining beard hair patterns in grainy photos to prove their claims. Philip Giraldi has written extensively on the subject. This two decade old story still gets plenty of attention from the conspiracy community, but current conspiracies get none.

This suggests a couple of things about the sorts of people who become obsessed with conspiracy theories. One is they like the leaps of logic required to tie the various facts together in the narrative. It’s like a solving a puzzle for them. Finding a picture of Person X in the same room as Person Y, who they have already connected to the event, allows them to “solve” some great riddle. The fact that person X and Person Y have no known connection, other than the photo, makes it all the better.

The other thing about the conspiracy people is they eschew certainty. The typical conspiracy theory has lots of ambiguity and uncertainty. On top of that, it has multiple explanations operating in parallel. Where one narrative runs out of road, another narrative picks up from there to connect to another narrative. In a real conspiracy, like the FBI scandal, there are real facts. If all of the classified documents are ever made public, which will never happen, everyone will know what happened.

That’s the funny thing about the critics of conspiracy theories. They claim that these theories are popular because people like simple answers. That is probably a conspiracy there itself. People don’t like simple answers. If they did, Hollywood thrillers would feature no plot, just stuff exploding in between sex scenes. The truth is, people hate simple answers and conspiracy theorists really hate simple answers. The people who prefer an orderly world with no ambiguity are the critics of the conspiracy theorists.

All of this leads to the conclusion that the best way to keep prying eyes from looking to close at your shenanigans is make it look like a conspiracy. Make sure to have a few villainous looking characters and lots of contradictory elements. This will attract the conspiracy people looking to make bank on it. This will then attract the anti-conspiracy people, looking to debunk the conspiracy theorists. The back and forth will allow you to get away with your scheme and enjoy a quiet retirement on Nantucket.


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Damian
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Damian

This is the one that I find interesting at the moment. More so as it has been reported upon but no one seems to be talking about it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/senators-briefed-on-ufo-sightings-by-navy-pilots-report-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Andrew Anglin has stated that he thinks that the Globalist’s ultimate trump card will be a fake alien invasion. How better to get humans to set aside their racial and ethnic divisions?

Exile
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Exile

Ironically that would have worked better in the pre-TV era ala Orson Welles WoTW broadcast. 6 million casualties were easier to fudge back then. Martian masturbation machines, turning humans into soap and lampshades. And the virus that kills the aliens is smuggled out of the Martian death-camps in a brave yenta’s tuckus.

Damian
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Damian

There was a guy (now deceased) who went my the name of ‘The International Forecaster’. He said a similar thing.

Official Boogna Tester
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Official Boogna Tester

MemeWarVet said: ” Andrew Anglin has stated that he thinks that the Globalist’s ultimate trump card will be a fake alien invasion.”

Shades of Pres.Reagan.
“Reagan’s ALIEN speech to UN.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA

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That’s been the big Welcome sign excuse for global government since the 70’s, at least.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

For some conspiracy giggles, check out ‘To the Stars Academy”. Its a bazaar of deep state brokers, spooks, military industrial complex, big entertainment agitprop, alien conspiracy, and techno fetish consumerism. So basically, its a microcosm of the USA Inc.

Sean Detente
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I wouldn’t at all be surprised if some bored Air Force testing squadron is playing with the Navy by flying their latest classified drone in Navy flight areas. Or the Navy is running interference for whatever classified crap they’re playing with.

kevinH
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kevinH

Watching an interview with one of the pilots when he was asked if he knew of anything in our inventory that could do what the tape shiwed. He refused to answer, so….

Shrugger
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Shrugger

My theory is that all conspiracy theorists like girls. E.g.: Alex Jones and Rachel Maddow. QED.

TomA
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TomA

In time of war, and while on the battlefield, situational awareness is a vital survival skill. Think of it as being persistently hyper-alert for potential threats. We are descended from the survivors of an environment in which existential threat was routine and our proclivity for situational awareness is a trait that has been passed down to us by these ancient survivors. In the modern age of civilization, tangible existential threats are shrinking in number and severity, and fear is being replaced with anxiety. Conspiracy Theory skepticism is just the modern incarnation of our ancestral proclivity for situational awareness.

Dutch
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Dutch

Like cats that see mice every time anything moves or twitches, or dogs that bark at any little thing at all.

TomA
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TomA

Exactly. 99 times out of a hundred, the noise is no big deal. But if that 1 out of a hundred is something that can kill you, one mistake means you don’t get to pass your genes onto the next generation.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Situational awareness means seeing something that * could be * a threat – and making an evaluation based on incomplete information. It’s not like the tiger that is hiding behind a tree ready to pounce on you – is going to announce his presence. You’re going to have to pick up clues. Some tracks in the mud that disappear behind a tree. The fact that the jungle is eerily quiet in the area you’re in. The guy who is semi-situationally aware – is going to read a few clues and say there’s a tiger behind that tree. He might actually… Read more »

TomA
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TomA

Sometimes the warning feedback is very subtle and below the threshold of immediate awareness, such as the hairs standing up on the back of your neck unconsciously. This is the hindbrain (amygdala) speaking to you indirectly.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Seems that conspiracies like the extant ones in Washington are more things that people fell into and once in kept digging the hole deeper. What started as a brownie point exercise spying on Trump to prove worthiness to the incoming Queen suddenly transformed into an “oh shit” exercise that just dug the hole deeper. But playing for time may yet bail them out with a regime change in 2020 . Hillary was a cunt’s hair away from pulling it off with her email bungle. That strategy always worked for the Clintons so it was a good bet it would work… Read more »

Sir Balin
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Sir Balin

It’s that Man from Nantucket they all want to live near.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

the man from nantucket
who said fucket?

there once was a man from Kent
whose….. was crooked and bent
something…something..something
instead of cumming he went

Ripple947
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Ripple947

There once was a man from Nantucket
Whose d–k was so long he could suck it
He said with a grin while wiping his chin
If my ear were a c–t I could f–k it.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Man that degenerated fast…

Chester White
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Chester White

When I was in Nantucket I almost bought a T shirt that said: “Man from Nantucket.”

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“This suggests a couple of things about the sorts of people who become obsessed with conspiracy theories. One is they like the leaps of logic required to tie the various facts together in the narrative. …The other thing about the conspiracy people is they eschew certainty. The typical conspiracy theory has lots of ambiguity and uncertainty.”

Funny how folks searching for “explanations” of why people “believe in conspiracies” seem to like complicated explanations. “Leaps of logic” and “eschew certainty” indeed.

Occam’s Razor: “conspiracy theorists” know physics. Period.

https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7 including the brand-new University of Alaska study on the controlled demolition of WTC-7

Exile
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Exile

Anyone inclined to rubbish the Dancing Shlomos story should check out Dawson’s stuff before drawing conclusions. I’ve been convinced. There’s no need to micro-scrutinize beard-hairs and the overall narrative is logical, not crankish in any way. These guys were questioned, said what they said, the networks of fishy “moving companies” were real, and whatever this network was for, it clearly has Mossad’s fingerprints all over it. The evidence reported by the authorities themselves supports all of that without any whiff of “conspiracy theorizing” or “Trutherism.” There’s historical precedent with the way Britain employed disinformation and other shenanigans to draw the… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I always try to go with Occam’s Razor. That assessment seems much more likely than the story we were fed.

Sir Balin
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Sir Balin

My theory: most of the hijackers were Saudi, correct? 9/11was a joint operation on the part of Saudi elite and mossad, facilitated by these on American soil, hence the elaborate surrounding and surveillance of the hijackers in the US, as detailed in Justin raimondo’s book. Bin laden actually denied responsibility, but accepted it for other things, so we can assume he’s truthful. The hijackers themselves were useful idiots, who believed they were doing what they were doing.

Ian Smith
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Ian Smith

There’s a precedent in the Lavon Affair from the 1950s.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

WTC-7: I’ve never heard a plausible explanation for that one other than controlled demolition. It’s incredible how much evidence and information and first person accounts on the 9-11 event there is, that counters the official story.

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It certainly appears that Obama/Clinton cabal will skate, but at the cost of destroying all trust in federal government institutions. Even a mainstream politician like Ted Cruz is openly talking about the Deep State conspiring to save the Iran deal.

Kentucky Headhunter
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Kentucky Headhunter

Conspiracy theories are only fun if there’s plenty of doubt involved. We “know” Russia-gate was a hoax. We “know” about the deep state war on Trump. We “know ” why Epstein had to die. Those aren’t any fun and might just get you disappeared for asking questions. TPTB don’t care about aliens or batboy or man-bear-pig so those are safe and whacky enough to have some fun with.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Ahhh, Batboy. How I miss the Weekly World News.

The grocery store checkout has never been the same since it left.

Exile
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Exile

Wolf-wolf-baby.

Dutch
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Dutch

Don’t ascribe to conspiracy what can be attributed to some combination of greed and mendacity.

Pontius Pirate
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That is a tautology. Greed and mendacity are the two primary chemical components of a conspiracy in the first place.

Dutch
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Dutch

Yes, but my point is that people can operate independently, with their own motivations. The big picture can look like a conspiracy, but it can also be numbers of individuals acting in their own selfish personal best interests, layered one person on top of another. Groupthink can be coordinated into a conspiracy, but not necessarily. There are fascinating studies showing how far some ordinarily honest people are willing to lie and cheat, if they are sure they won’t personally get caught or be held accountable. When numbers of those sorts of people congregate, pure individual mendacity can take the appearance… Read more »

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Ryan Dawson names the Jew 24/7. Alex Jones pretends they don’t exist.

Are both conspiracy theorists?

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Ry-Ry backs his stuff up with police reports, widely reported media reports, and links. He makes no bones about his anti-war views.

King Tut
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King Tut

We live in an age when (allegedly) everything can be explained by science. It can’t but that the general perception – “there MUST be a rational explanation”. As a society, we can no tolerate mystery or unanswered questions. But, as a species, we yearn for something “out there” that is mysterious, unexplained, supernatural even. Something tantalizing that cannot be reduced to nuts, bolts and molecules and then filed as “known and explained”. We long for the transcendent and the promise of magic. So aliens, cryptids, ghosts and monsters provide the frisson of temporary escape from an otherwise prosaic and purely… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Them, and the “History” channel.

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The king of conspiracy theories is the JFK assassination. That thing just won’t quit. Even when you point out the absurdity of Earl Warren being allied with radical right wingers, or the idea that LBJ did it undetected, they keep at it. Any plausible connection works for these loons.

Exile
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Exile

Epstein will likely end up another JFK story – we know the official explanation is bullshit, too many holes, too much smoke for no fire, but none of the hundred alternatives will be provable. Wild card – someone squeals. Like the 2nd-3rd gen mobsters who ratted to Juliani, they don’t make Deep State stooges like they used to.

Norskeguy
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Norskeguy

I think the magic bullet is enough to keep that conspiracy theory going forever, especially for people who know hunting and ammunition.

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And that could have been remedied by releasing the remaining un-redacted documents.

JescoWhite
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JescoWhite

The missing frames in the Zapruder film are the tell. The fatal shot was from the shadows in a storm gutter as there was a pre-planned marker the driver was instructed to stop at. That’s why the wound exited up and to the back of the head. Seems to me JFK was a revenge hit as the guy seemed to betray those who put him in power. Boomers seem brainwashed about him; the guy was an anxious drug-addict who fed the MIC and was played by multiple women. That being said I hope the redhead grandson is sympathetic to our… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Conspiracy is the weed that grows when elites don’t tend the social trust garden. It’s a symptom of elite neglect, not a virus. Hostile, uncaring or irresponsible elites prefer the virus explanation – blame the society’s diabetes and bedsores on Jones, Putin and YouTube, or our own defects. Don’t finger the elites on permanent vacation who’ve left us to fend for ourselves in a societal group home with crumbling infrastructure staffed by barely-supervised surly Browns like the Yass-Qwainz of the DMV. And don’t notice that the worst of them want us out of the way so they can spend our… Read more »

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Very well said. (You should work this up into an essay.) Start a blog if you don’t have one.

Prussian
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Prussian

I highly recommend giving this recent long interview between the ‘Financial Times’ and Putin a close read: “What is happening in the West? What is the reason for the Trump phenomenon, as you said, in the United States? What is happening in Europe as well? The ruling elites have broken away from the people. The obvious problem is the gap between the interests of the elites and the overwhelming majority of the people.” “There is also the so-called liberal idea, which has outlived its purpose. Our Western partners have admitted that some elements of the liberal idea, such as multiculturalism,… Read more »

Prussia
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Prussia

To clarify, Murrica and its allies vs. Russia and its allies is not just an ideological struggle, it is a geopolitical struggle, between opposing bands of elites. The Murrica Empire aggressively seeks to wholly control the world, its elites want a cultureless open world plutocrat plantation to rule over forever. Geopolitics is vital, especially under modern economic conditions. A country needs a very large and cohesive mutual defense and trading bloc to access the resources necessary to defend itself, and to develop its economy sufficiently to provide its population a modern material existence (which is vital to keep its population… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Russia has also not inflated its economy through significant credit creation at the central bank level. Their standard of living may be “subpar” and not growing very fast, but their economy is also fairly well insulated from external credit market shocks. The trade impediments placed in their way have also created a situation where they are much less trade dependent than most western economies, and their self-sufficiency on most things (partly due to a not particularly vigorous level of demand) is a virtuous by-product of their situation.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

I’ve casually looked into a lot of the conspiracy theories over the years, and while I don’t claim to know the true story of what exactly happened in all of them, one thing I do know is I don’t trust the official story. I also only believe in coincidences up to a certain point.

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What bugs me about Zman is his misdirection here. What was that trip to Russia last year really about and meeting clandestinely with operatives in other eastern european countries to boot. And what exactly is your heritage?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Z really does look like a burly Rasputin. …Putin…?

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AND he lives close enough to D.C. so he can go back and forth without much notice.

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For half a century those disbelieving the official story of JFK’s “Lone Assassin” were ridiculed as “conspiracy theorists”. James Corbett, of course, has the official CIA notice to the media instructing their Mockingbird Media to so decry those who doubted the Warren Report.

The Official US Government stance today?

There was a conspiracy.

(but let’s not look too closely into it just yet)

JescoWhite
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JescoWhite

The official narrative of 9/11 is literally a conspiracy theory. All it takes is three or more persons planning something. Words just don’t have any meaning anymore. Maybe they never really did and I’m the abnormal one for thinking definitions matter. Maybe human existence is just emoting and hysteria ad infinitum. I watched the Professor and the Madman recently. Its about the making of the first English dictionary. Mel Gibson was great as always. But it made me think that the men trying to define everything were the crazy assholes. In the end they admit its a project that will… Read more »

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One more time: “The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this… Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah… Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes… And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip… Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE… Read more »

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Awesome.

I am hesitant to use the adjective because, as most of us know, its currency grew more inflated in the 1980s than ((( Weimar deutsche marks ))).

I am also hesitant to employ awesome as a descriptor because of “Awesome” Joe McCall, a YMCA Director from my hometown, who uttered the word so profusely and so indiscriminately he merited the eponymous nickname.

Nevertheless, awesome applies here. It is the best post of the week with all due respect to Exile’s brilliant bon mots.

Mark Stoval
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Mark Stoval

Yep, that is the way I see it. Just a series of unfortunate events. Who would not believe the official narrative?

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ReturnOfBestGuest

There have always been conspiracies. And theories about them. One could be forgiven for imagining that with the invention of the printing press (and its modern-day equivalent) the availability of information would either dispel or confirm these theories. Instead corporate entities bought up and consolidated the media in the ’80s and now the Alphabets and their cohorts are the censors.

Ryan
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Ryan

One quibble Z. Alex Jones has been ranting about child sex abuse at Epstein’s private island since the early 2000’s at least (he was on it when he was just an Austin public access TV guy). And he’s been on the videotaping powerful people for blackmail line from the start as well.

Federalist
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Federalist

“If they did, Hollywood thrillers would feature no plot, just stuff exploding in between sex scenes.”

Just stuff exploding between sex scenes would be a lot better than most of the crap Hollywood produces now.

TheLastStand
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TheLastStand

That sounds like every Bond movie ever. At least before the 2nd Timothy Dalton movie, which is when Bond was ruined for me.

kevinH
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kevinH

You saw a SECOND Dalton Bond movie???

Yves Vannes
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The best way to hide skulduggery is to hide it in plain sight. Make everything seem convoluted and corrupted and soon most people just take the rot for granted. They move on, they have their own problems to deal with. This gives the vermin a free hand to do pretty much whatever they want as long as they don’t jump the shark.

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The golden age of conspiracy mongering and Art Bell isn’t here to see it…

Dutch
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Dutch

Today’s post made me think of Art Bell as well.

CAPT S
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CAPT S

The mainstream popularity of individual conspiracies have direct correlation to the progressive agenda; i.e. any genuine conspiracy that doesn’t serve their ideology is memory-holed. A corollary, however, is that anti-progressive conspiracies pitched by dimwits and screwballs will be highlighted, and thus ignored. Conspiracies about dissidents and AR-15 toting “hate” groups also get attention because they focus on the only conspiracy that matters right now, the conspiracy of white man putting down the brown man. Progressives have a century of well-honed experience on misdirection and propagandizing ignorant Americans. That’s why no one ever questions some of the old (but genuine) conspiracies… Read more »

Pontius Pirate
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As Fortune would have it, the Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is the virus that causes things like mononucleosis and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Wheels within wheels, man….

Crud Bonemeal
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Crud Bonemeal

People were interested in spygate at first, but once it began to be co-opted by the conservative establishment, it gradually became obvious that nothing was going to come from it, and they were going to string us along forever with it, and they were going to deploy their own forms of misinformation. Q-Anon wasn’t the only plan trusting psyop. At that point, tuning out is a very rational response. Conspiracy theories are the product of people mistrusting the establishment, after all. Justice for spygate can only come from the establishment, which means there won’t be justice for it. Indeed, they… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

The pizzagate-Podesta thing was more interesting to me. As long as no attention was being paid, the evidence (e-mails, the spirit dinners, the art collection, the pizza joint signage and naming) was really damning. As soon as the light was shone on it, everyone scrambled and everything got taken down. Epstein seems to be going the same way, everything is now being burned and scrubbed.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

I would say that Pizzagate-Podesta thing had something to it. You don’t normally have very powerful people texting each other in code speak. And the way the MSM scrubbed it once it got noticed leads me to believe it may have been a child sex ring at the center of it as pederasty is one of the last remaining taboos. Or it maybe where the all the chief blackmailers of Congress and judges meet. We’ve all been amazed at how fast newly minted pols turn on their base and break their promises. It’s as if they walk into a room… Read more »

TheLastStand
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TheLastStand

Why does nobody have the courage and wit to document the blackmail attempt and come forward with it? I would rather own my failings than have someone else own my soul.

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Bruce Galbreath

Either kill the blackmailer or live with your secrets being exposed. Paying does you no real good.

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Dave Collum:

‘ I am a “conspiracy theorist”. I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don’t think so, then you are what is called “an idiot”. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called “a coward”. ‘

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-20/dave-collum-goes-deep-conspiracy-theories-911-epstein-pizzagate-jfk-and-vegas

Official Bologna Tester
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Official Bologna Tester

Even before our brains where mature enough to create long term memories, we where struggling with two vitally important problems. Why and how. Only death ends that struggle.

Larry
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Larry

Conspiracies arise naturally when people think the official narrate is a lie.

There is nothing odd or wrong with conspiracies per se

The Holy Trinity is, obviously, a conspiration but the government has propagandised people to think that al conspiracies are negative/insane.

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

If anything, the scope of the one world government conspiracy was severely underestimated. Even the NFL, NASCAR, and your local librarians, with drag queen story hours, are in on it.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I personally believe the concept, and especially the extremely negative oddball connotations, of conspiracy theories were introduced by the intelligence services. Why not, a tool to socially ostracize those who ask too many questions. That’s a gold standard in camouflage. So there’s a conspiracy theory to explain conspiracy theories lol

Prussian
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Prussian

There are real conspiracies, and then there are “conspiracy theories.” People draw the line in different places. I don’t believe virtually any “conspiracy theories.” I think Oswald acted alone, and I don’t think 9/11 was an “inside job.” What I don’t like about “conspiracy theories” is I detect, in many, an attempt to salvage the system by arguing that we need new elites, but not a new system. You don’t need “conspiracy theories” to delegitimize our elite, because our system, which raises them to elite status and incentivizes them, is illegitimate, and you don’t need “conspiracy theories” in order to… Read more »

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What was 9/11? Bilejones’ post, up-thread, nails it.

Prussia
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Prussia

Between spending an hour with someone going through the minutiae of why 9/11 was an inside job, and spending an hour referencing the ideas of, say, Plato, Nietzsche, Spengler, Sorel, Heidegger, Pareto, Carl Schmitt, Evola, de Benoist, Dugin, and so on, to knock out the legs holding up modernity, i.e. holding up liberalism, my bet is that the latter, done correctly, is going to yield much better results. We all are restricted, to varying degrees, in our free time and our intelligence. Although, of course, specialization is important, I think the latter path is a better use of one’s time… Read more »

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If it is a mutually exclusive proposition, I agree that it is a better expenditure of one’s time to study, contemplate, and discuss Plato, Spengler, Nietzsche, et al than to delve into the weeds of 9/11.

But, alas, it is not a mutually exclusive proposition, is it?

What is wrong with studying 9/11 and knowing enough to challenge the government conspiracy theory narrative?

If the typical smart person you know reflexively dismisses a 9/11 “truther” but then, when challenged, gets his ass handed to him by the “truther” on the facts, why would you respect such a “smart” person?

Prussia
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Prussia

I just don’t think it’s a good strategy. Speaking for myself, when I spent some time looking into all that years ago, I was left very skeptical. The ever ongoing JFK conspiracy theories (countless different ones, all backed up by evidence of course (including a great many “eyewitnesses”), nearly all of which must be false if any one of them is true) have made me skeptical toward anything resembling that scene. And the “magic bullet” doesn’t seem so magic at all once you look into it some more. Occam’s Razor and all that, as well. More importantly, whether it is… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

My conspiracy theory re Eppie: On Monday, he was in all the news. By Friday, Ilhan Omar had done something anti-semitic, so “the world leapt to the defense of plucky Israel!” And not another peep about the suicidal philanthropist. Guaran-dam-teed Omar and Tlaib got their itinerary and tickets straight from the Israeli embassy. Caroline Glick, writing from Israel, had an article on how BDS (Boycott & Divestment movement) is funded by NGOS… that are from Israel. How strange. I mean, the Foreign Ministry directly funds 100 immigration resettlement NGOs here and a hundred more in the EU, but that’s an… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I was told that the Rand Institute invented the term conspiracy theory back in the early sixties , probably just after the Kennedy assassination as a meme to deprecate the growing conspiracy mindset It was pretty effective for a while as conspiracy theory is a great meme but that is fading simply because anyone with basic logic skills would realize that the US was formed by a conspiracy against its king and that conspiracies didn’t magically disappear Also if conspiracies weren’t common you could charge someone in court with conspiring which is a quite common charge Its meets the rhetoric… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

To Moran’s point above, we could get an airtight explanation of something going on, for example, Alzaebo’s NGO thing, and it still wouldn’t matter, IMO. We have been so twisted around the axle over the years, about so many things, that one simply gets numb to it all after a while. Moran may be right, that might be part of the game. Interesting (to me, anyway), that freedom of the airwaves and the opening up of the internet has changed the conversation, but not for much constructive purpose, at least so far. We know more about the games played, and… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

The main solution for conspiracies is to lock up or execute known or suspected members just like the FBI did to the Mafia back in the day though with less limitations Most revolutionary governments end up doing this since people who benefited from the last set up even if defeated tend to linger around causing trouble . Trump while hardly a revolutionary has had a passel of this already Even a Right wing system will basically have to deal harshly with subversion and counter revolutionary activity. The secondary solution is to exclude anyone you don’t trust from your society. This… Read more »

Monsieur le Baron
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People tend to be zero conspiracy or one conspiracy people. They believe everything is more or less on the up and up, or that everything is run by a cabal of Jews or Lizards or Grays or Breakfast Prayer People. Somewhat recently, I was reading the right wing papers and a certain conspiracy was brought up. My thought was, “Hey, I know that guy.” The comfort of a mono-conspiracy is that everything becomes part of one grand meaningful plan. But there are many things which go bump in the night. The Empire is lousy with court intrigues and frenetic schemings.… Read more »

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

The federal government is now just organized crime. In fact they put their competition the mafia out of business but that’s for another story. And now just like the mafia they leave their handiwork out on the street for everyone to see. it’s not a conspiracy theory . Everybody knows what happens when you go up against the mob. So we hope they just keep continuing to kill each other and leave us alone. Perhaps the confusing thing is why they continue to try and.maintain a front of legitimacy. Like the phony storefronts in Little Italy we all know it’s… Read more »

peterdarinklein
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I’m gonna drop this 9/11 conspiracy here since it’s rare to see the topic come up in intelligent forums like this. You won’t read this anywhere else. The 9/11 attacks combined were a cover up crime, not a crime in itself. This will upset those who ascribe esoteric meaning or long term planning to it. It all began in the ’80s, during the Bush presidency. He and his intelligence cronies plotted to topple the Soviet Union and profit from the endeavor. They would fund the project with a bond issue of $240 billion dollars. With those proceeds they bought up… Read more »