The UFO Problem

Tucker Carlson has a UFO problem. Going back to the start of his Fox show, he has done segments on various claims about space aliens visiting earth. These are not claims by people, who swear they have been probed by big gray men, but the claims of people who worked in government at one time or another. He has even interviewed people, who worked on government UFO programs. Recently he had former Pentagon people on to talk about this story of a secret UFO file.

People like these sorts of stories, even if they don’t believe in little green men secretly visiting our planet. It’s fun to think about what it would be like if we did verify such visitations from another world. Tucker is not a kook, so his interest in this topic should not be dismissed out of hand. The American government has taken the issue seriously, at least according to that recent story. So much so they have had top men working on it for a very long time. They think it could be true.

The crux of the matter is that pilots have, on multiple occasions, recorded objects buzzing around in ways that cannot be explained. At least they look like objects in the videos released to the public. In these videos, pilots and crew can be heard asking questions about what they are seeing. No official explanation has been offered, so we are left to assume they don’t know either. It seems that on many occasions, American fighter pilots have spotted UFO’s.

Now, it has to be said that many of these could simply be clever pranks by servicemen with too much free time. Every year someone gets busted for making a contrail penis in the sky, so these guys like pranks. Others could simply be anomalies that have a boring technical explanation, so no one bothers with them. Maybe this is just another part of how the government keeps people distracted. The secret UFO files are just part of the ongoing psyops to distract the public from noticing too much.

The trouble with the various ways of dismissing the UFO stuff is it often sounds as conspiratorial as the theories explaining why these are visiting aliens. Repeatedly, we see that the people running the American government are too dumb to execute the basic functions of the state. It’s unlikely they are working a complex, multi-generational deception involving fake UFO video. The people who use text messages to plot sedition are not going to be working such a complicated scheme.

What the facts tell us about this stuff is the American government has recorded lots of these events and they remain unexplained. There is a good chance other militarizes have had similar experiences. The Russians and Chinese probably have divisions that collect up and examine unexplained phenomenon. It’s not out of the question that there is some contact between these government agencies, at least an acknowledgement that they exist for the same reasons.

The two possible explanations for the evidence are that it is the result of some completely unknown natural phenomenon or it is space aliens. Both answers would mean large gaps in our understanding of the natural world. Theoretical physicists have been at a dead end for a long time. Space exploration has been stalled for generations. Our understanding of our natural world is at its infancy. These phenomena could simply be more proof that we don’t know a whole lot.

Of course, if these are space aliens, it means some species well beyond our understanding has solved problems we cannot contemplate. For example, our best science is not all that sure humans can live in space long enough to travel beyond Mars and back, without dangerous physical consequences. If we are being visited by aliens, it means they solved the problem of carbon based life forms living in space for long periods without being destroyed by radiation.

It would also mean these aliens conquered the physical problem of traveling between galaxies. That means they either live long enough to go light years into space or they have invented propulsion devices that allow for speeds beyond anything we think is possible with what we know of physics. Alternatively, they have found a way to fold space in order to move from one location to another. Instead of physically traveling through space, they make space travel for them.

All of the possible explanations for how visitors from another world raise the age-old science fiction movie paradox. How could a race so advanced be so easily caught on our primitive video? If they have the ability to bend space, they will have the ability to bend light or at least have really good camouflage. They would see our primitive airships long before we were able to see them. These videos contradict the one possible answer for why they exist in the first place.

The answer to that could simply be that they are observing us and part of it is to see how humans react to limited exposure to the possibility of aliens. This could be nothing more than part of the simulation that is our existence. You can come up with all sorts of entirely unprovable explanations for why super intelligent space aliens are getting caught on video. If you want to believe in UFO’s, there’s always a way to maintain the belief in the face of this type of skepticism.

There is one other angle to the UFO stuff. It feeds the need to believe that our governments have super-secret stuff hidden away in super-secret government agencies run by X-Files types. For some reason, people need to believe this. It’s probably because deep down, people won’t except that their government is staffed by stupid people who got lucky. The fate of the world depends on a series or average people guessing the right way or making the right mistakes.

That could be the real psyop. The people in charge know that the rest of us need to think they have things under control. The fake UFO footage is intended to promote the idea that our government has these super-secret programs. If people believe that, they will believe the government screw-ups over foreign policy or economic affairs are really part of some super-secret scheme involving deep state actors. The real psyop is covering up the fact that we are ruled by lucky dimwits.


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Tykebomb
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Tykebomb

Personally, I hope this post blows up and this blog becomes Alien stuff all the time. Can we get 400 comments?

MemeWarVet
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Maybe ZMan can become the new host of Coast to Coast AM?

Forever Templar
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Forever Templar

And give George “Snory” Noory the boot? C2C was turning bad even towards the end of Art Bell’s days there, but certainly wouldn’t hurt.

Monty James
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He certainly has the voice for it. And we could count on shows about aliens. Illegal aliens.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

. . . who make crop circles

greyenlightenment
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I remember Coast to Coast Am back when Art Bell hosted it. KSFO 560. Michael Savage and the rest of therm.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Friend of insomniacs everywhere. RIP.

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Truckers, too.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Babe in the Bunker anyone?

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Felix_Krull

It worked for Alex Jones.

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Only 118 so far! I’m so disappointed

Semi-Hemi
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Semi-Hemi

A guy named John Keel wrote many books on this stuff and had some very interesting ideas about it all.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
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Ris_Eruwaedhiel

I loved John Keel as a kid in the 1970s. His theory was that the entities themselves were “ultraterrestrials” while he considered himself a “demonologist.” Mysterious entities such as Bigfoot, Mothman and Dogman have been seen in every state including my state of NJ. We have our own Bigfoot nicknamed Big Red Eye for its glowing red eyes. Any number of people spot a creature, yet it disappears without a trace. I believe that they properly belong to the paranormal. UFO researchers noticed in the 1960s the similarity between tales of individuals abducted by aliens to old tales of people… Read more »

Drake
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I used to live on the Northwest edge of Las Vegas. Once in a while I’d hear sonic booms with triple or quadruple echoes. I was on an Air Team in the Marines and heard sonic booms many times – these were different, from something going much faster. I doubt it was from aliens, more likely skunk works experiments out of Nellis Air Force Base.

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This is a real fun one! Joe Rogan interviewing Bob Lazar who according to Lazar worked at Area S4 Groom Lake 15 miles s/o Area 51, with a team deconstructing downed alien vessels and an anti-gravity device. I almost got an official looking entry decal for my car for Area S4 Groom Lake and then thought …oh crap..better not. Take away what you will. Why at the time they wanted to keep the Russians from this knowledge…if it is reality. The whole interview was great fun. Don’t bother with Corbell’s documentary….dumb and hokey. Basic Husband lived in that area 35… Read more »

Compsci
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Where I live, there have been loud “booms” going on for years—off and on. The Air Force base in town denies setting them off—munitions detonation or pilot training. I’ve heard both and these are different. They are recorded for a hundred miles into the barren desert and heard by many others in town and out. Local news has had reports and investigations. X-file stuff to be sure.

Monty James
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“The real psyop is covering up the fact that we are ruled by lucky dimwits.”

If this is so, knowing it would help one endure. Thanks for cheering me up, I guess.

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The people that make fun of my imaginary friend whom I pray to, swallow this all up.

I can’t wait for the Nazis from their moonbase launch an all out offensive on them.
Ironic huh? All the nazi pointing here in the U.S. for decades and they over look the most obvious place.

BTW, you mention aliens as the only other plausible explanation. I can’t believe you missed what many know to be true, an ancient earth civilization living in the Hollow Earth. Entrance is somewhere in Antarctica. Psyops? Please.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Nonwhites making human sacrifices to a demon? Ancient race hiding under Antarctica?

Further proof Lovecraft was a prophet.

Yves Vannes
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The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket.

Jules Verne wrote a sequel. It’s name escapes me.

Yves Vannes
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Cracker please… They’re in an undersea domed city!

Firewire7
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Firewire7

Yes, The science is settled.

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Cracker please? Is that a thing now? Definitely going to start using it that’s hilarious

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Felix_Krull

Entrance is somewhere in Antarctica.

Snæfellsjökull in Iceland, I’m reliably told.

Pickle Rick
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They took one look at Africa and the Middle East and said, “nope, there’s still too many savages…”

I can’t imagine what’s going to happen if a white scientist discovers the secret to interstellar travel. Then there’s going to be the ultimate white flight to Planet Whitey. I hope there’s someone smart enough to not leave a forwarding address so our lessers can’t follow us, demanding space gibs…

Marko
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Marko

“Honey, Chicago is too expensive and crime-ridden. I heard good things about Blanco Prime.”

Calsdad
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Calsdad

What makes you think the first planet you find that looks like it can support human life – won’t also be full of a bunch of prehistoric savages all looking to get onto the gibs train?

We landed in the Pacific islands and this happened:
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We figured out interstellar travel only to end up with this:
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Human beings who wanted to have their civilization survive used to understand that you needed to eliminate parasites – not run away from them.

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Man, that second group of cargo cultists makes the first group look really lazy!

They’re on to something. You just just have to build your replica jet realistic enough to actually take off! Power to the struggle, hard-working cargo cultists!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

What was that Muppet show, was it
“Gibs… In… SPAAAACE”

Rwc1963
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Rwc1963

Go read Kornbluths “The Marching Morons” for a better solution to dummies and Orcs.

It’s really funny. Dumb people are quite easy to swindle and lie to if you do it right,.

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

There is plenty of evidence to indicate that the Soviets took UFOs pretty seriously back in the Cold War, so whatever this phenomenon is, its international. Aliens would seem to be a pretty unlikely explanation, but it’s obviously some real physical phenomenon; I mean, with the proliferation of cameras everywhere, sightings of things like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster have diminished to near zero, but UFOs have been captured on camera many, many times. And of course, if it is aliens, this changes everything. Even a small possibility of this requires careful investigation.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

From the interwebs: ” So far, astronomers have found more than 500 solar systems and are discovering new ones every year. Given how many they have found in our own neighborhood of the Milky Way galaxy, scientists estimate that there may be tens of billions of solar systems in our galaxy, perhaps even as many as 100 billion. ” 500 solar systems? To me that seems like a high enough number to give good odds that there is actually life out there somewhere. Tens of billions of solar systems? That would seem to almost guarantee that there is life out… Read more »

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To me that seems like a high enough number to give good odds that there is actually life out there somewhere.

Really? What, exactly, are the odds of abiogenesis?

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Don’t know – but caring what those odds are would depend on whether you believe in abiogenesis or not – wouldn’t it?

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I’m not one of those whose beliefs rule out any actual empirical realities. Currently life exists in this universe. At one point, it did not — at least, not as we know it. That implies — no, requires — biogenesis. Whether you get to add the ‘a’ just depends on how you think that happened. The only other option is that life was created — which leads to the question of how the intelligence that created life itself originated, but the need for infinite prior causes dogs not only questions about the origin of life but the existence of anything… Read more »

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An internet search reveals Bigfoot sightings are still going strong. One of the most recent: https://www.strangerdimensions.com/featured/bigfoot-sightings-2019/ “The elusive Bigfoot creature continues being spotted throughout diverse regions of the United States. According to never-before-released data from the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, the state of Washington ranks as the world’s most active Bigfoot region with 2,032 alleged Sasquatch sightings. California, home of the world’s most famous purported Bigfoot footage, ranks second in the nation with 1,697 encounters. Following California is Pennsylvania with 1,340 sightings and Michigan with 1,131 sightings. Rounding out the list are New York (1,068 sightings), Ohio (1.024 sightings), Oregon… Read more »

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Federalist

With UFOs, there are good pictures/videos of something, whether it’s space aliens or some natural phenomenon we don’t understand or whatever. But with Bigfoot and the proliferation of smartphones, there are no decent pictures.
Also, we don’t seem to know what the hell UFOs are if they are anything at all. If there are big, hairy apemen in North America, why has no one found a carcass or bones? No hunter has ever shot one. There’s no Bigfoot roadkill.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

“First Nations” across the globe (w/ apologies to our Flat-Earth brethren) all have tales of these creatures. If there were one account like “Loch Ness” or “Champ” I’d dismiss it outright. But like UFOs witnesses, there are thousands of Bigfoot witnesses and many are hunters or loggers who know what is a bear. What’s going on?

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Spoiler:
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Juri
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Yes, we did. And this is exactly what proves Zman point about idiots in Government. After 1991, all the archives in Soviet Union were briefly open and we were shocked how dumb and irrational and out of touch our dear leaders really were. Soviet union was also interested in other paranormal stuff, they had big offices and even shaman from Siberia promoted to general of the Army. Paranormality is always sign of collapse. When our society went down first time in 1917 , we had also paranormal folk in charge,Rasputin most known.

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“The two possible explanations for the evidence are that it is the result of some completely unknown natural phenomenon or it is space aliens.” There’s also a third option: there are supernatural dimensions beyond our physical senses, and occasionally metaphysical beings make entrances into our natural world. So these phenomena don’t necessarily come from alien planets. The Christian religion (specifically Paul) speaks of “cosmic powers” at war … so possibly UFOs are an occasional manifestation? I’m persuaded the answers are to be found in metaphysics, not physics. My father and I both saw UFOs while at sea, about 30 years… Read more »

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

Details?

CAPT S
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Not much detail from my Dad … in the Pacific, far/far away from airfields and suddenly bright lights moving at rapid speed with quick directional changes. Their radar (although ancient by today’s standards) picked up nothing. After about a minute – poof – gone. I was in the Caribbean, 1980s, well within range of airports, carriers, etc. No Notice to Mariners or Notice to Airmen broadcasts in our area. Our surface and air-search radars energized … we weren’t sailing in company. Lookout reported light off the beam, low target-angle (altitude in degrees off the horizion), rapid directional changes. Everyone on… Read more »

Al from da Nort
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Capn; For the benefit of nor-mil readers: Here’s one reason why your ship Capt. likely didn’t report the sighting, despite its being confirmed by multiple reliable witnesses, is definitely having to do with the promotion board to Admiral. That is, these are really *non-promotion* boards, meaning that board members are looking at a lot more apparently fully qualified promotion files that there are promotion openings. So anything in any file that would enable those board members to ‘throw the file on the floor’, i.e. pass over somebody, in clear conscience is most welcome. Reporting a UFO sighting would definitely qualify… Read more »

CAPT S
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Al – Yep. I sat on promotion boards and saw the sausage being made. You’re correct shipmate! The other thing is the context of the 1980s … in a weird way it was a lot like today. Anything remotely military-minded that wasn’t understood was blamed on Soviet malfeasance. We thought their military was incredibly advanced (not quite true), and their spy ships were everywhere (quite true.) So another reason our Captain didn’t report the UFO – he probably thought it was Soviet shenanigans and didn’t want to advertise that he’d been caught unawares. It’s always the Russians, eh?

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I was fortunate enough to see something too- a vertical drop of a couple thousand feet to a sudden standstill in air, then lateral acceleration to over the horizon in about 4 seconds.

Can’t use it, any of it, so I refuse to have an opinion.

I think the Zman has deftly explained the History Channel, though. Ye gods.

And the Travel Channel too! They’ve gone full ghostbusters, can’t let people see the Nice Places ruined by diversity customers.

Bunny
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Bruce Charlton theorizes that UFOs might be angels or demons. “My main hypothesis is that UFOs are part of the spiritual warfare between angels and demons; and how this is manifested to certain people in certain circumstances. However, the matter is of UFOs nearly always discussed in a materialist (and unChristian/ anti-Christian) context. In other words, some UFO phenomena are probably angels (or made by them) while others are demonic…Many millions of people very quickly developed strong and detailed beliefs in alien existence, contact, communication and plans that were based on no more than hearsay and dishonest mass media accounts,… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Egads. That’s like people who abuse the word “dimensions”, which is properly width, height, length, time, etc.

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I saw one in the Jersey Pine Barrens. It was kind of a like helicopter, but with a lot of lights. It was just overhead for at least 10 miles driving down the road and flying pretty low too, but it was at night. To this day I have no idea what it was, but I am also pretty sure there is an air force base in the general area. It was certainly unidentified to me.

Eugene
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Eugene

Maybe it was a helicopter with a lot of lights?
Flying at night!

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Not like any helicopter I have ever seen. It was triangular with large rectangular lights.

jimvonyork
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jimvonyork

TR3B

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Tars;
NJ Pine Barrens airbase: McGuire AFB. Also an Army Base: Ft Dix. Probably an Army chopper on a night exercise, if it was a chopper, that is.

Fun fact: Wife and I were driving through the area back in the day. We started seeing the flora that seem to define Army bases world-wide: Sand, saw grass, scrub pines, etc. I said, “If I didn’t know better I’d swear that there ‘s an Army base nearby”. Topped a hill and saw a sign pointing to Ft. Dix 3 miles away.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Best NY Post headline ever:

Dix Six Nix Pix!

Kweiler
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Kweiler

In the Old Testament, check out Ezekiel chapter 1 where he tells about the flying wheels he saw.

ChrisZ
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ChrisZ

A fun column with a great twist ending. Thanks Z-man.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

If things ever get bad enough for the “Deep State” (how I hate that term) and they feel like they might lose, their ace in the hole to ensure they hang onto power is a fake alien invasion.

Bunny
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Bunny

Everything’s a psyop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They’ll have a false flag a la Orson Welles, only better. Our good friend Snopes debunks the mass hysteria, if you can believe Snopes.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/war-of-the-worlds/
They want us to believe they believe.
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/09/24/why-is-hillary-clinton-talking-to-laurence-rockefeller-holding-a-book-about-extraterrestrials/
Astronauts believe, too.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/3268325/meet-the-nasa-astronauts-who-believe-aliens-are-visiting-earth-and-communicating-with-humanity/

Marko
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Marko

And that girl who took a picture of the black hole is the same one who develops the photon torpedo which saves us from an alien takeover

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

There’s a reference to a particular anime I want so badly to make here, but no one would get it (sad face).

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Don’t tell me, Marko, that girl must be black. All super-scientists are.

The blue-eyed devil stole Yakob’s technology! Atlantis was black! So was Lemuria!

Oldtradesman
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Oldtradesman

Can’t see a black hole. The doughnut-shaped toroidal structure, M87, is a plasmoid. The universe is electric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GejukGvybs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4NffTr_GMk

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Nothing sells the necessity of a rapid consolidation into globalism like an imminent alien invasion. “We must unite under one government to fight this threat to our way of life”.

A global FEMA would be the tits.

I’m not too worried. Based on the fact that three black ladies put our guys on the moon with only a slide rule, I am optimistic that the new united world administrators would be able to recruit an army of alien-fighting geniuses from our newly incorporated African brothers and sisters.

Compsci
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Compsci

I believe that’s Bill Gates hypothesis. Tomorrow’s programmers, all. However, last I heard, not a single “genius” from Africa has been discovered.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Of course not, Compsci, we suppressed them, then burnt them in giant ovens.
Whitey so fookin’ evil.

Better explanation:
Whitey be the oppressive alien overlords!
Colonizing a peaceable colored planet!
Mutant slaves of the Conquest, we are.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Wait, wait, wait.

The biggest problem we have is an invasion by aliens.

They’re hanging onto power with it too.
The biggest psyop is telling us it isn’t real.

Bunny
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Bunny

What I’m saying. Everything’s a psyop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

You’re right! It was in the Way Back When, too.

Marko
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Marko

Did anyone watch/listen to the Joe Rogan episode about this? He had a guy on who apparently worked at a not-so-secret airbase where they had like 9 alien craft. I got a weird vibe from that interview…like he was there to misdirect bugmen into thinking about secret alien encounters and advanced American tech. The interview lasted 2 hours but he didn’t say much…he kept complaining about a migraine, and the interview arc had a lot of build-up but no interesting reveals. (Rogan of course kept going off on silly tangents.) For example, he wow-just-wowed the technology, but he never said… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

You’re thinking of Bob Lazar. He’s been around since the late 80’s. I’ve never found him terribly credible and the guy he went on Rogan with is an absolute joke.

Don’t watch Lazar’s Netflix doc, it’s garbage.

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Rogan is an absolute retard. He is always pushing drugs on his audience. Of course, he is married into the tribe. His audience is bugman central.

Forever Templar
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Forever Templar

Ah, Joe “DMT” Rogan. He’s fun to listen to, like Alex Jones, if you don’t take him seriously.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Joeprah definitely has a strange gatekeeping NLP vibe to me.

Its could just be that he knows his audience and their intellectual constraints and the long format require the sorts of tangent and rabbit hole rhythm he can’t seem to avoid.

Mushrooms. MMA. Ayahuasca. Bow hunting. Sell dick pills. repeat.

Marko
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Marko

I was calling him ‘Joe Rogaine’ but now I shall call him ‘Joeprah’ if that’s alright with you

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I don’t know how much if anything I believe about UFOs but I do know this, there is nothing you could say the government was hiding from us that I wouldn’t at least consider.

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NASA has become a gibs program for the highly educated and plagued by diversity. It is incapable of doing anything spectacular and has been for a very long time. Even when they do something, they set the bar really low so that they can exceed the artificially low expectation. After being stuck in low earth orbit for a few decades, we can’t even do that anymore. SETI might be a better place to look for aliens. If SETI or some other set of ears ever does come across some alien chatter, it could very well be from a civilization that… Read more »

TWS
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TWS

They could be from different time streams not different planets. No need for lights speed problem to be solved. They could be mechanicals drones sent to explore the universe.

Dutch
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Dutch

That’s my thinking, drones. Whoever they are don’t ride in them, and they really don’t care if we see the drones or not, what’s it to them if we do? They are just looking around like Google Maps cars do.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Hmm! Good one!

No crews, no worry about the length of time involved.

As long as they don’t start dropping of self-replicating von Neuman packages, that is.

Yves Vannes
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“Others could simply be anomalies that have a boring technical explanation, so no one bothers with them.” From New Scientist Sept 1983: Triboluminescense is a more likely candidate of UFO phenomenon than piezoelectricity. TLS is the emission of visible radiation due to frictional forces (in the solid earth); it is in effect a cold-light emission, a visible radiation that is due primarily to some cause other than temperature. TLS produces light by causing electrons to to jump from higher to a lower energy levels by frictional forces…have also noted that friction producing light in samples of rock-crystal and granite is… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
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G Lordon Giddy

Going out on a limb here but as a Christian and one who believes in the metaphysical.
There is the possibility this is another dimension we are seeing?
The book of Acts describes Christ ascending into the clouds and disappearing. If this in fact what a human eye saw accordingly to the Christian faith then we know that there is nothing beyond the clouds except space. No Heaven up there.
But if Christ disappeared into another dimension?
And there are windows occasionally into and out of that dimension?
Just sayin.
It makes as much sense at this point as anything else.

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So are aliens on other planets also born into sin?

Bunny
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Bunny

If they reproduce sexually and their sex is binary, e.g., Beldar and Primaat, yes.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

So God’s first commandment to all things, “be fruitful”, is the cause of sin, then.

Bunny
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Bunny

No, Primaat tempted Beldar to eat of the forbidden fiberglass.

Pursuvant
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Pursuvant

I upvoted you Epaminondas because that is such a great example of what happens when the actual experience the mind is having collides with belief

Jim Burnham
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Jim Burnham

C.S. Lewis, in his “Space Trilogy” novels, appeared to think that other worlds were insulated from the Fall in Eden. When I read those books years ago, I had the impression that Earth had been isolated from Mars and Venus, for example, to prevent the spread of rebellion against the Most High – within the context of the novels.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Good question, I will answer from a Catholic theological perspective and my limited understanding. 1. Assuming that either the aliens are a different species, they would not be borne into Original Sin like humans. 2. Possessing free will however, they could still choose to do evil thus would either be sentenced to damnation like Lucifer and his followers or would need a redeemer depending on whether the nature of the aliens is more like angels or humans. 3. I do not believe their own redeemer would be necessary given Christ’s death. Sin is infinitely offensive to a God who perfectly… Read more »

R Moffett
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R Moffett

I worked with a young guy in the nineties. He had been in the air force and after he got out for a short time he was a security guard. he got a job guarding the trash dump in south Dade county (Miami) near Homestead. Locals call the dump Mount Trashmore as it is one of the highest elevated points in South Florida. He said one night a large silent black triangular craft floated overhead. As it went by very low reeds and grasses shook below it and some of the dry parts caught on fire. He said what was… Read more »

DLS
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DLS

This backs my suspicion that we have some military drone tech that can move hypersonically, but the that the gov’t wishes to keep secret.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Maybe the aliens have their own problems with their Strzok/Page equivalents flipping the cloaking switch “off” while humping on the control panel. But have met and worked with enough ex-Navy and Air Force pilots to believe they are not excitable observers.

Bunny
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Bunny

The question is are they honest? I know it’s unpatriotic to ask. All our service members are Dudley Do Right.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

That is always a question. But regardless, OODA is drilled into them in training. Two were F-14 drivers on carriers.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

That’s what Hillary’s emails were hiding.
The embarrassing alien text messages.

Doofenshmertz Evil, Inc.
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Assuming that there are aliens and UFOs, it would be pretty reasonable to reckon that they are interested in our planet, not in us. They probably consider us a minor curiosity or a nuisance. Think of the time-window problem. What we call recognizable human civilization has only been around for about 10,000 years, on a planet full of air, water and resources that has been around for billions of years. And humans have only even been technologically capable of noticing alien aircraft for about 70 years. What are the odds that they would undertake a complex interstellar or intergalactic journey… Read more »

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Don’t mistake a good mood for being soft.
We did not just get lucky and inherit great real-estate. It’s great because we made it great. If by some great accident of history we were instead in Africa, the rest of the peoples would be bitching that we just got lucky by inheriting Africa.
There is no magic dirt.

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There are maybe three dozen out of 200 odd countries in the world with some semblance of acceptably corrupt government. The number of those not rooted in Northern Europe can be counted on the fingers of one foot (can’t discriminate against the aliens, can we?)

Dutch
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Dutch

Maybe the space aliens are just spending the day at the zoo, zooming around and taking a look at the wildlife. Lion Country Safari had the drive-through zoo thing nailed, years ago.

Lamar
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Lamar

What they are in the description is little translucent tic-tacs. They go impossibly fast and turn at impossible angles. I too am inclined to believe they are actually being seen. Navy pilots are not playing pranks with their FLIR cameras. I don’t think they are physical craft. Some kind of glitch in the matrix, beyond my ability to comprehend, seems more likely. Time distortion, holographic anomalies, artifacts of whatever celestial graphics engine this reality is using.

Ursula
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Ursula

Perhaps the advanced beings come from a planet not saddled with semites and negroes, and were thus able to develop themselves and their sciences to the point of space travel. Imagine them studying us over the years, noting at one point, Look, the caucasian beings have developed early space travel! Will they continue on that road or take the other road, embracing and bringing the semites and negroes into their societies? Uh oh, looks like that’s the end of the caucasian advancement… and, holy cow, maybe even their existence!

Dutch
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Dutch

We are all one big game of “Civilization”, I knew it!

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The idea of aliens coming here to steal our delicious resources is an old sci-fi trope but like everything Hollywood and the media sell us it’s nonsense. Take the idea of aliens stealing the Earth’s water. It seems plausible because water in liquid form is rare in the solar system requiring a combination of decent pressure and relatively high temperature. If all you need is water though, there’s more water just on Jupiter’s moon Europa than in all the Earth’s oceans. We can’t get that water but aliens with starships certainly can. It doesn’t matter that it’s frozen. They can… Read more »

Educated.redneck
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Educated.redneck

Maybe earth is the extraterrestrials’ version of Epstein’s island – fly here on a private craft, grab some bizzare nonconsentual illicit nookie and head back to the mainland. Maybe its their version of Mossad operating the venture, thus allowing the primitives to make compromising records of the visits…

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What you can learn about the motives of extraterrestrials (or even other humans) is largely limited to their rational motives. So we can know the aliens are probably not here to steal our water – unless, say, they have a weird religion in which the Earth’s water alone is “holy” in some fashion because in their sky our sun makes the top point of the water symbol in their astrological system. Then all that stuff I said above is moot.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Heck, we’ve been conquered by guys with a Cargo Cult Air Force.

The Right Doctor
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The Right Doctor

I can’t wait until we develop the technology to survive travel across unimaginable distances, at God knows what expense, so that we can play hide-and-seek when we get there. That will be a big return on investment.

Severian
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“The real psyop is covering up the fact that we are ruled by lucky dimwits.” Bingo. This is why all real historians (as opposed to the dorks who teach it in our schools) are hardcore conservatives. You could write the history of any major event as “stupid people making the dumbest possible decisions” and not go too far wrong. In fact, that’s one of the linchpins of my argument for going back to monarchy — at least you’ve only got one idiot in charge, who is dumb in (relatively) predictable ways. Democracy, though, is branch-chain idiocy — it gives a… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

The problem with our leadership is deceit and graft. The stupidity is just an extra bonus. IMHO the leaders preferred stupid underlings, in part to protect their own “skim” operations, by making sure the junior guys were either too stupid to recognize it, or could be more easily intimidated if they started to squawk. Now the stupid underlings have inherited the mantle of power, and, man, we are all screwed. Angelo Codevilla has a great piece out today. Read it with this in mind, and it all makes sense, and is really very sad, in the end.

Chris_Lutz
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The late 80’s and the first Gulf War really enhanced the US government’s credibility. The economy was moving after the 70’s stagflation, the internet was just taking off, and the US military won decisively against what many considered a competent opponent with good Soviet equipment. That made shows like the X-Files seem plausible. No one today would believe that show. We know very little about our world and the universe. I am also willing to wager a lot of what we do know is wrong and even what is correct is only right up to a certain point.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

It is still a lot of fun to watch today though. Really holds up well.

JIDude
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JIDude

Two small quibbles:
I prefer to think of something that is not of modern human origins as “extra”, whether extra-terrestrial, extra-dimensional, or extra-civilizational (e.g., an ancient civilization from one of the ice ages or previous ice age interregnums), or something else.

“…conquered the physical problem of traveling between galaxies” – you probably mean stellar systems.

MBlanc46
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MBlanc46

It sure keeps people from noticing the Mexicans pouring across the border, or the new Section 8 apartment building being built in the tidy, white neighborhood.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Another option entertained By C.G. Jung in his book “Flying Saucers,” was whether UFOs were a (single or mass) hallucination manifesting an interior psychological state.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

That’s what we call “a miss”.
Credentialism. Bah, humbug.

Jung’s ideas of gestalt and dreams are better informed by the idea that we’re all leaky radios. He didn’t know enough radio science.

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

“If we are being visited by aliens, it means they solved the problem of carbon based life forms living in space for long periods without being destroyed by radiation.” This is a large and not entirely necessary assumption. Since we are in the realm of speculative super-fiction they could just as easily be silicon based or even energy based having long since separated from the ‘decaying meat robot’ that we are all shackled into. If they are either their lifespan would be measured in orders of magnitude higher than humans so tens of thousands of years would be trivial. Likewise,… Read more »

Forever Templar
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Forever Templar

“I’ve seen most of these pilots interviews they are not fruitcakes they are highly credible and many won’t even talk about it because they -understand- that to do so makes people automatically label you a wingnut.”

Dude, I don’t doubt a lot of these guys saw something weird during their tenures as pilots, but in current clown world all these supposed witnesses to UFOs still feeling suppressed and unable to “come forth” because society won’t take them serious is some BS. Public interest in this crap is huge.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

“Likewise, we already know of tech that can ‘fold space’ and nullify gravity as well as other exotic super physics.” We really don’t. We have *some* theories that imagine that maybe these things are possible, but there is no experimental evidence of these theories at all.

Farm Harleyborn
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Farm Harleyborn

“The real psyop is covering up the fact that we are ruled by lucky dimwits.”

Or that we are ruled by predatory psychopaths who run and easily cover up successful blackmail operations involving underage children (Finders, Dutroux, Epstein, Franklin/Craig Spence, etc.) The UFO nonsense is clearly a mass distraction exercise, but what is being elided is so monstrous that widespread comprehension of the nature of our “owners” must be avoided at all costs.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

Then of course there’s the 15th c. painting “The Madonna With Saint Giovannino” comment image

BadThinker
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BadThinker

It’s a cloud that shines divine light. Given that the picture is of Jesus and Mary, makes sense.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

No doubt. Although the artist clearly knew how to paint clouds as there are many in the larger version of the painting. (I’m just posting in the spirit of the thread.)

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Don’t look very cloudlike to me- plus he had to get it past the censors.

TheLastStand
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If intelligent extraterrestrial life exists and has a massive technological edge over us, why have they not tried to conquer us already?

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

Why haven’t you tried to conquer and colonize the ant hill in your backyard yet? What gives!? Or if they are even more advanced why haven’t you conquered the microbes living in the rain puddle yet?

Bunny
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Bunny

I keel them.

Dutch
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Dutch

For the same reason we don’t conquer Zimbabwe. Fur away, and nuttin’ innit fer us’ns.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

I dunno, making Zimbabwe Rhodesia again seems like a good time.

Dutch
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Dutch

TLS, we have had enough “country building” exercises in recent decades to last multiple lifetimes. I figure, let the Zimbabweans do their thing, whatever it is, for a while, and leave us entirely out of it. Now if mercenaries want to do what it is that they like to do, have at it, but I’d rather the rest of us just hold their coats.

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

Make Zimbabwe the 51st State. We will all be trillionaires.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Reconquista, just like the Spaniards against the Mohammedans.

Ursula
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Ursula

I read an explanation once — they haven’t try to conquer us because they are actually *us* travelling back from the future to observe us/their ancestors and prevent us from killing each other off in a nuclear event. Hmmm…

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I heard a show where humans are so numerous, they get off the shuttle in remote villages in back-country Russia or Paraguay, put on Earth clothes, and go a-touristing.

The locals all know, so they don’t say anything, just like a cartel town in Mexico or a smugglers town in Greece.

Marko
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Marko

Because they don’t want the Jews to subvert their advanced civilization, duh

Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII
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Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII

The Reptilians got here decades ago. I can never reconcile the stupidity and incompetence I see around me with the brilliance that must exist in some government agencies such as NASA to create voyager or how they landed on that comet or to invent MRI. I bet these were all Hillary voters too, lol. I think life is probably pretty common in the universe. I bet every few solar systems has a planet where complex macromolecules or bacteria level life has formed. But I bet large complex life is rare, and intelligent life even rarer, probably occurring once or twice… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

I have to believe that the average “shelf life” of intelligent beings is impossibly short, in cosmic terms. Short of robots with neither emotions nor non-linear decision making in choices with incomplete information, how could it be otherwise? The freedom to think and make choices is filled with fatal bad decisions, always. As a culture, we have managed to avoid that sort of thing for a little while, and that, in itself, is an anomaly. If the drones visiting us are extraterrestrial in origin, they are likely operated by either robots, or by no-one at all, as their host population… Read more »

Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII
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Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII

That’s an interesting idea. AI drones which have outlasted their biological creators’ lives. They’re reporting back to a civilization long extinct! That’s a great sci-fi story!

Dutch
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Dutch

Taking my own idea further, a justification of monarchy or other forms of divine right or despotic rule is that the rest of us simply don’t make good decisions, and we will kill ourselves off, if we are allowed unfettered decision-making. Instead, our anointed rulers will make better decisions in the name of all of us. Now go out there and look at who is in charge of things, and tell me that they are in any mental condition to make “good” decisions…

Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII
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Augustulus Sol Aurelius XII

Well of course, but that’s all by design.

Compsci
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Compsci

Centuries ago, perhaps the people who clawed their way to the top were superior in decision making and such. But HBD science would never support the concept of passing on the top position to one’s offspring. Too much variance wrt skill sets inherited. Of course, today’s electoral process seems to select candidates with only one common skill set—the ability to tell sweet lies. 🙁

Dutch
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Compsci, the frustration to me is that it is not about sweet (politically motivated) lies. It is that people somehow have lost the ability to observe batshit crazy and/or advanced senility for what it is, or have lost the common sense to consider it disqualifying for positions of power. We are led by people who one would never loan the car keys to, nor would we allow children to be unsupervised in their care for even five minutes. And yet…

Compsci
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Compsci

Here, here, Dutch. I—too my continuing consternation—observed a decline is my faculties at the age of 60. There are workarounds, like sleeping on decisions for a day or two. But I no longer am as cocksure as I once was on figuring things out at a glance. When I hear these Dem candidates or office holders talk on the stump, I tremble to think they might have power. When I screw up, it just costs me money to hire someone to get it fixed, or I suffer the criticism/rebuke of this group. I can live with that.

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First, I think that the obsession with UFOs is a manifestation of the innate human longing for the divine. It also presents our ruling class a way to distract the masses from the real crimes with conspiracy theories and other nonsense. From what I know about Area 51, storming that area would’ve been a very stupid idea. I know engineers at our company who’ve done work there and they told me some of the security measures for those with top secret clearances are almost too fantastic to be believed. And the security operators there are all ex-Delta Force/SEAL/Force Recon types… Read more »

c matt
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c matt

They are probably like Marvin Martian, and wanted to destroy Earth because it obstructs their view of Pluto, but backed off when the sympatico aliens living among us as our scientific elite demoted Pluto from full planet status. Explains why they demoted it.

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

Our government, ready to kill to protect access to Area 51 but doesn’t give a dann about who or what (suitcase nuke) walks across our southern border.

King Tut
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King Tut

Weird, green-skinned alien creatures don’t need high-tech cloaking devices or camouflage. They can just turn up at Heathrow airport and blend in.

In fact, that’s probably their gateway. Nobody has noticed.

The Right Doctor
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The Right Doctor

It we’re talking about UFOs it must be potpourri day. All topics are on the table. It’s open-line Thursday! Somehow I recently recalled that a piano player got a NYC ticker-tape parade when I was a kid. Looked it up: van Cliburn, for winning a big competition in the USSR, in 1958 when the Cold War was a big deal. (I ‘helped’ my dad dig our fallout shelter a couple of years later, inspired by the Cuban missile crisis. My dad was a nuke-tester at the test site near Vegas and knew the score.) Anyway, the point is, the list… Read more »

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Meh. The UFO/Industrial Complex has always exuded a pseudo-religious aura. “Can more space aliens than angels dance on the head of a pin? Enquiring minds want to know!”

greyenlightenment
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America is ruled by dimwits. except silicon valley,.

Allen
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Allen

Back in the day you didn’t want anyone to know you had seen something. You’d get people doing the swirled finger around their head. I know, I know, I was driving the highway between Roswell and San Antonio NM late one night, and… Cliché right? Never mind, unexplained visual phenomena are dime a dozen.

I’m voting for the aliens are running the system and they were shipped here for being too stupid for the home world.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Attention, carbon-based units!

Our Silicon Overlords are too stupid to get GPS to work right.

How the heck are the machines going to take over the world with the Tardinator?

King Tut
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King Tut

Stop all this human supremacy! Alien cuisine is yummy.

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

You can read all about their cuisine in the aliens’ cookbook.

Bunny
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Bunny
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Felix_Krull

A FTL-drive is theoretically possible within the boundaries of known physics. You compress space in front of you and extend it again in the back. You don’t actually move faster than light, but the end result is the same, except no relativistic side-effects like change in relative time speeds. Requires supernova-levels of energy though, so it’s not something you’re going to see out of SpaceX any day soon.

Shielding your flesh cargo is the least of the problems you’re faced with – that is even possible with existing technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive#Mass%E2%80%93energy_requirement

Compsci
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Compsci

Your basic warp drive?

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Funny, people that are really into Star Trek think it is prophesy not sci-fi.
Soon Best Buy will have replicators.

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

Beam me up Scotty!

Compsci
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Compsci

My favorite is the “inertia dampening system”. Ever wonder how a faster than light ship can stop on a dime?

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Felix_Krull

Pretty much.

Monsieur le Baron
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A decent chunk of UFOs are just US planes, like the original flying saucers. As for bright, immaterial lights moving fast, that doesn’t seem like a vehicle of any type, more like some sort of unexplained energy. Unless aliens are energy beings.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Sez you, Fed! /s

KGB
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KGB

There’s something poetic about the term “swamp gas” these days.

abprosper
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abprosper

Some UFO stuff is undoubtedly PsyOps but people have reported encounters with “goblins” well back into the Middle Ages and the things that go on in those encounters is basically what happens in abduction claims.

Some like Jacques Vallee think it could be a spiritual phenomenon or hyper dimensional rather than in UFO parlance nuts and bolts.

That said Q type plotting and being ruled by dimwits is far from mutually exclusive.

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

ab; Interesting that nobody up to now and yourself linked the UFO phenom to the Q Comms. phenom. To me they seem somewhat related, having a strong element of wish casting that assumes super competent G Men working under cover. Both are too vast to simply be LARPs. And if they are Psyops, whose are they_? If true, both entail large conspiracies, but UFO’s been going on a lot longer than Q, which supposedly started in 2017. FTR (for the record), I suspend belief in both: Could be true but seem unlikely is my current position, FWTW (for whatever that’s… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“both entail large conspiracies”

Well, somebody’s pouring millions into making the History Channel unwatchable.
This stuff ain’t cheap, ya know.

TomA
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TomA

No doubt some government employees are lucky dimwits, but they’re relatively harmless compared to the criminally corrupt sociopaths that use the platform of government service to rob the US taxpayer blind. I’ll take a dimwit over a Clinton Corruptocrat every time. If there are space aliens, maybe they can save us from the professional politician.

King Tut
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King Tut

Would everyone please desist from using the racist and hateful word “aliens”. They are Unidentified Migrants.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I scent a whiff of Terran Privilege.

JEB
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JEB

The hardest part for me is believing that aliens would come all this way and then spend all their time futzing around doing nothing in particular, other than occasionally putting on a light show or maybe sticking a probe up someone’s butt. Much easier to believe this is just another case of selective reporting. Not malicious or conspiratorial in this case; just people ignoring a zillion instances where nothing strange happened and reporting one where it did, forgetting that if you have a zillion instances there are always going to be a few where something strange appears to have happened,… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

The hardest part for me is believing that aliens would come all this way and then spend all their time futzing around doing nothing in particular, other than occasionally putting on a light show or maybe sticking a probe up someone’s butt

Douglas Adams’ explanation is that it’s basically drunk teenagers fcuking with humans for a lark.

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

The proof I have that aliens exist is the fact that I don’t recognize half the population of the USA as being human.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

There’s a book by Dr Carl-Gustaf Jung that explains what he thought the UFO craze was. It’s called “Memories, Dreams, & Reflections.” It’s a collection of essays on this and that. As I recall (having read it 30-odd years ago), it involves some psychological need that expresses itself in these visions of UFOs and visitations by ETs. Interesting stuff. As good an explanation as any I’ve seen; probably better.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Not to be a meanie, but that sounds like the academic equivalent of “deplorables are stupids.”

Me, I don’t buy into the ideas of mass hysterias or mass hallucinations or even mass panics. I do buy into bad information as the usual cause, though.

(Not denying Jung was trying hard.
I’m such a party pooper.)

Compsci
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Compsci

Never downplay mass hysteria, I had an experience with one. In the department one day, I got message from a female staffer that she felt sick and it was due to something in the air. This concerned me since we had a lot of heavy duty computing and electrical equipment on the floor, including a good sized computer room. I checked it out and could smell nothing, nor could any of my staff and faculty. We were all on the same floor in different offices and shared the same air. Soon afterwards, I was bombard with messages and personal visits… Read more »

Bunny
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Bunny

A long history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases
It’s that darn empathy again!
“It is the collective nature of an outbreak that has compelled me, the idea of a group of girls responding defiantly and resisting the world around them. While the experience of going through a mass psychogenic illness is a distressing one in most cases, I also liked the idea that you only get it if you identify with another person, if you feel empathy.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/29/carol-morley-the-falling-mass-hysteria-is-a-powerful-group-activity

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

Knew a guy who worked at a government lab in the Midwest. He said they had a place everyone called the “dead alien room”. Rows and rows of pad locked chest freezers with a 24/7 armed guard. One morning they came to work, the door was standing open and the room had been cleared out. There was never any explanation.

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
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Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman

Crap circles!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The two most interesting bits I’ve seen on this:

A tiny local paper in Iowa reported on a crop circle. One problem- the grasses inside had been braided together. Braided.

In 1999, I think, the official US Navy website showed an ongoing video for three days, then eliminated it.

A telecom satellite showed an indistinct picture, as it was several thousand miles away in geosynchronous orbit, but still the closest they could get.

What it showed was a long rectangle, huge, hovering about 80 miles above the Bay Area. For at least three days.

Bunny
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Bunny

Almost as freaky as bovine mutilations.
“The events have certainly had no lack of media coverage, leading to a host of crazy conjectures ranging from Bigfoot to government corruption. The popular opinion, however, seems to be extraterrestrial activity – sneaky aliens coming down to Earth, mutilating livestock and creeping back to their UFOs, tote bags full of souvenir cow penises. Another widespread speculation is the involvement of Satanic cults.

Interestingly enough, according to local experts, this may be the most likely theory.”
https://www.bendsource.com/bend/cattle-mutilations-and-a-satanic-cult/Content?oid=11366005

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Or… the Chupacabra!

It’s what Nevada test radiation does to jackalopes. Just like Bikini Island did to turtle eggs and Godzilla.

Reziac
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Reziac

This is exactly what it looks like when a gnat gets inside a microscope.

sheliak
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sheliak

The appearance of UFO videos purportedly from military sources during the previous year corresponds precisely to the rollout of the new Space Command branch of the US armed forces. Helps to justify the billions of dollars required for this effort by spicing up a little fear of alien invasion in the US taxpayer. Of course, the real reason for Space Command is playing catch up to Chinese space militarization.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Grew up with all the stories of abductions and seeing aliens running around in forests and roads. Always assumed if they were real, some guy named Verle would had hauled one to the check staton during season to ask the Man if he’d just wasted his deer tag.

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Remus would have had one by now.