Meta-Movie Man

They say art holds a mirror up to society, which means something becomes art when it reveals the nature of society or just nature itself. The classical nude statues are art, rather than pornography, because they are idealized representations created to celebrate the human form. Literature becomes art when it portrays society in such a way that it reveals certain truths about the age. For example, The Great Gatsby is art, because it captures the age and the reality of materialism.

Whether or not movies can rise to the level of art is debatable, as the medium is superficial by design. Another aspect of art is it tempts the person experiencing it to think about things they may not be naturally inclined to consider. Motion pictures are a passive medium, encouraging the viewer to relax and let the images flashing past him do all the heavy lifting. Citizen Kane is considered the best film ever made, but it does not rival literature in terms of artistic impact.

That said, maybe movies should be judged on a narrower artistic standard, in that maybe the best they can do is reflect attitudes of the age. The science fiction shows on the later-50’s and early-60’s, for example, reveal the optimism of the age with regards to scientific progress. Fast forward a generation and science fiction films reveal the fear and disappointment in science. Today, science fiction is mostly multicultural personal drama in space, revealing the feminization of our age.

In other words, like pop music, a movie can be considered art if it comes to symbolize the times in which it was made. The 1970’s movie Saturday Night Fever can be called art, because it reflects the vulgarity of the time. The movie Terminator is a reflection of the anxiety over the Cold War and the nuclear arms race. These movies are not art because they achieve some high technical standard, but simply because they were popular, touching some nerve with the public at the time.

It is a low standard, for sure, but popular culture is a low-brow product made for profit, not artistic achievement. The performers and characters in the business of producing this content can call themselves artists, but in reality, they are just the modern version of carny-folk, tolerated by society for entertainment purposes. The elevation of the profane in the modern age, is itself a statement about the age and the people, who have taken over control of the culture. Our is the age of vulgarians.

Putting that aside, by this standard, Quentin Tarantino is probably one of the great artists of the modern age. His movies tend to reflect some aspect of the times, in an exaggerated and juvenile manner. He makes movies that his ten-year-old self wanted to see, so they tend to lack anything resembling complexity and instead feature exaggerated characters that even a child can grasp. They are morality tales for stupid people, who are not all that interested in lectures about morality.

His latest film, Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood, is a long boring buddy story about a fading television actor. It is set in late-1960’s Los Angeles and references every popular news event of the period. The point of the film is to tell the people, who came of age in that time, especially those who grew up in Los Angeles, that it was a great time to be a young American. It was also a great time to be famous, as you got to party and bang starlets, even if you were a minor television star.

Tarantino, of course, is a meta-movie maker. He tends to make movies about movies and the world around movies. All of his shows are celebratory versions of the B-movies he watched growing up as a kid. In some respects, he is the Gen-X movie maker, in that his stories never end well, but the bad endings don’t offer a larger critique of the times or offer a lesson about the characters. In other ways, they lampoon the long shadow of the Baby Boom culture the 60’s and 70’s.

You see that in his latest film. The people are living in an idyllic time, where they can have great lives with little actual work. That time in California was probably the best time and place to live in post-war America. Yet, the degeneracy of the people and the pointlessness of their existence eventually destroyed that society. Modern Los Angeles is homeless camps and third world peasants. A white person growing up in that squalor will come to hate their ancestors for having created it.

That’s the funny thing with Tarantino. He grew up watching cheesy B-movies and re-runs of 1960’s television shows. Much of that content was science fiction. Yet, he has yet to make a movie about the future or even a B-movie version of it. The space movies of his youth would make good fodder for his brand of film, but instead all of his stuff is set in the past. From an artistic perspective, he is a man backing through life, watching was passes into the fading mists of his age.

Again, whether movies can be considered art is debatable. Art should be lasting and movies just don’t hold up over time. Still, by a lower standard, one that simply relies on cultural relevance, Tarantino would be counted as an artist. His movies speak to a people living in steep cultural and demographic decline. His latest celebrates the memories of a generation who will literally be gone in a generation. Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood is an epitaph for a generation and a nation.


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Z Man, glad you pointed out how light and superficial cinema is compared to real art. I’ve been making this point for years and heavily criticized when I do. (People have their favorite films they believe are sublime, profound, and life changing. They are to some extent, but as you said, Citizen Kane isn’t anywhere near the equal of War and Peace or Anna Karenina.) The Hayes Code made this distinction long ago in noting the tremendous propaganda power in film because it didn’t engage the viewer intellectually but emotionally. The Code pointed out the difference between the demands a… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

“Of all the arts, the cinema is the most important.” – V.I. Lenin

It has been a huge and multi-generational setback to our side that we have no creators in this genre.

Compsci
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Compsci

There are exceptions. “Forest Gump“ was one. I remember the howls of the Leftist critics wrt to the main character—a retarded Boomer. The objection was that the main character Forest—too dumb to be cleaver and “with it”—did what the society of the time expected of a young man, even with his mental impairment (or worse because of it), and became an outstanding success in life, while the ones that went against the culture of the time (counter-culture folk) did poorly. I’m sure the writers and director considered this a cleaver spoof, but not so sure the audience took it that… Read more »

MemeWarVet
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True, but it says something that the exceptions come along about once a decade. Blade Runner 2049 would probably be the most recent, 300 was in 2007 and the aforementioned Gump in 1996.

BTW, the book of Forrest Gump is arguably better and completely insane – he and a monkey go to outer space and when the simian returns it can talk!

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I liked Gran Torino until I realized the car was America and the old white guy with the shitty white family was giving it to the immigrant. Insidious.

A good one is Watchmen. The villain is a utpoian and the hero is a brutal conspiracy theorist.

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The Last Stand

Off the top of my head, here are a few of my favorite movies dealing with right-wing themes.

1. Demolition Man
2. Straw Dogs
3. Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy
4. Black Hawk Down
5. End of Watch

miforest
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miforest

this is a great takedown of forest Grump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVIVRIjRfE

thekrustykurmudgeon
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yep. I saw the movie again recently and I totally forgot how much of a bitch Jenny was

Judge Smails
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Judge Smails

Forrest Gump author Winston Groom has written mostly nonfiction history books. He was royally screwed by Hollywood when he sold the movie rights to the book. He took $350,000 and 3% of the ACCOUNTING profits. Guess what? Despite it being one of the highest grossing movies of all time, it somehow never made a profit (Hollywood accounting). Groom sued and lost. “Sorry buddy, I know we made a billion dollars off of your creation but a contract is a contract”. I read a story about this where they said that insiders like Spielberg take a percentage of movie ticket sales.

AntiDem
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This past year has been filled to the brim with (intentional or not) rightist film and TV – from Alita to Joker to Richard Jewell to 1917 to the final season of Game of Thrones, which may have been the most anti-leftist thing that’s been on TV since Fulton Sheen retired (why do you think all the usual suspects howled about how much they hated it?).

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Most of the entertainment media I consume is anime, which has (mostly) yet to be POZed.

I’ll be sure to check “Alita” out.

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Hunger Games too. Perfect analogue to Washington, DC versus Flyover Country.

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Clint Eastwood. There are others. A few. Don’t forget John Milius and Red Dawn.

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abprosper

The Last Temptation of Christ did pretty well though on the whole imaginative fare is not culturally Conservative. Our guys don’t have as many stories to tell. A Conservative life is one with little drama and there are only so many war stories and bible stories to go around. Still the other side often operated like a cartel and put a lot of effort into suppressing our side. The Right’s obsession with money and general Liberalism made a legislative response impossible. Frankly the Left is correct in saying free speech for the other side is poison which is why we… Read more »

Michaeloh
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‘Frankly the Left is correct in saying free speech for the other side is poison which is why we had things like community standards obscenity laws and the comics code.’ I am coming around to the idea that free speech and freedom of expression are ideas that we bought into hook, line and sinker just like earlier commandments received from The Clouds, such as the divine right of kings which asserted the moral authority of the elites to own everything and rule everyone. Our ancestors thought that authority was handed down by God and it served as the instrument of… Read more »

miforest
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miforest

apocalypto wad excellent too.

Mike Ricci
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Mike Ricci

“The Last Temptation of Christ did pretty well though on the whole imaginative fare is not culturally Conservative. Our guys don’t have as many stories to tell. A Conservative life is one with little drama and there are only so many war stories and bible stories to go around.”

Good points. Arts and creativity in general don’t really mix with conservatism. One needs an open-mindedness and willingness to buck tradition in order to inspire others with art.

Conservatives are probably better at defending the arts, oddly enough.

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Re: ” movies just don’t hold up over time” . Time also makes movies unviewable by succeeding generations. Unlike paintings, sculpture, great buildings….. movies require infrastructure for people to even view. Who has an 8mm projector any more? Anybody who bought a movie on 8mm would have had to either buy it again on a Laserdisc or VHS tape years later to keep viewing the movie – if their projector broke. Who has a Laserdisc or VHS player any more? If you bought either – you would have had to buy the movie again on DVD years later after your… Read more »

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The fact that a technological advance may render previous technology unuseable is one reason why I prefer books to kindle. The one exception is a little book that I will only read once. If it’s a book that I want to keep to refer back to, I want a traditional book. Plus, I just like books.

Compsci
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With some exceptions, all media “goes away”. Not to be pedantic, but artwork is a good example. Even relatively modern stuff, less than 100 years old, is being restored everyday. Perhaps statuary has an indefinite lifespan if protected from the elements, but I can’t think of much else.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Makes me wish I had the patience to chisel and polish marble. Remarkable what those guys were able to produce.

Compsci
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Compsci

Perhaps here is a hobby you can afford and master—wood turning. Check out the YouTube videos and such. I find it fascinating.

Alzaebo
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If I had another chance, I’d be a classical sculptor, working in marble, obsessed and autistic as all get-out.

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Technology doesn’t necessarily work like that. Companies hungry for product when the new tech is just getting started will raid their libraries (figuratively) to put out new tech products and get people to convert. Someone in 1956 had NO access to old, forgotten 78s, then along came Harry Smith, put a bunch out on LPS and boom, the folk revival. In turn, more LPs are available now Same with kindles or other ebooks or even pdf files. I’m sure a considerable part of the spread of Rightist ideas is all the old, obscure stuff They wanted you to forget about… Read more »

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An interesting side note in a similar vane is TV robbing radio series. In the early 50’s there was a rush to get TV content as the medium exploded. So old radio series were converted into TV series. One radio series, “The Lone Ranger” comes to mind. If one watches the very first Lone Ranger TV programs, you’ll notice something odd—most of the program can be divided into two parts/types: The Lone Ranger and the antagonist in a room talking to/fighting each other, and The Lone Ranger riding his horse Silver in lengthy treks back and forth. In short, you’d… Read more »

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Well, “Okay Boomer….” But wait…I AM one! Arrrgghh!

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If we’re going to be in grass huts, I think we’ll have lost the capacity to appreciate a Rembrandt or Michaelangelo anyway. In general, I’ve seen vastly increased accessibility of obscure film. Used to be a big Kate Bush fan back in the ’90s. She was a notoriously reclusive artist, so the videos of her short, early, active performing career were highly sought after. They were handed around person-to-person on grainy recopied VHS tapes. Now I can get virtually every one of them including many I never saw in an instant on YouTube. Video formats now are pretty much endlessly… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Kate Bush makes me swoon. Such creativity and femininity. She’s a bit shrill at times, but my Lord…

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Just viewed The Man I Love. No wonder she is swoonable. Sultry come hither without blue hair, facial fishing tackle, not petulant nor growling to bite your arm off. Enjoy her while you can before the cultural gaff hook comes out.

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I saw her first appearance on American television on SNL, back in ’78 when I was just under 15 years old. My teenage boy mind was blown.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25r049

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The Wild Geese Howard

One of the best things about YouTube and its ilk is that they have made a lot of formerly obscure videos far more accessible to more people.

On the flip side, as someone who was into quite a few obscure bands, the music streaming services like Spotify, Pandora, and Amazon have acted to filter out lesser known artists. I know this because I have a few dozen CDs and singles that simply aren’t available on any of the music streaming services.

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If they’re on Spotify, Pandora or Amazon you know they’ve sold out, anyway. So why would you want to listen to them? 😉

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I have watched like one movie in the last 18 or so years (The Road). I haven’t been in a movie theater since like 2001 or 2002. I cut my cord shortly after that.
I suggest everyone in dissident politics do the same. These people hate you and you shouldn’t be financing them or allowing their propaganda into your head. The funny thing is, is that once you are away from this stuff for a couple of years, it becomes unwatchable. I absolutely cannot watch network TV. It literally gives me a headache.

Hoagie
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Agreed. The last movie I saw in a theater was “Titanic” in 1998. The leftist attitudes in movies, TV, media has literally driven me away. I refuse to be talked down to by people who have the wealth of kings and the morals of alley cats.

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3g4me

Tars – spot on.

Compsci
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Compsci

Good point. Long ago I used an hypothetical scenario with my son when he was younger. In those days, Jack Nicholson had made a killing in the original Batman movie. Something like $50M+. Was on all the media touting his salary and cut of the profits, audience increase, ticket sales, etc. I started with a hypothetical crazy guy in the street asking him (son) for a dollar so he could buy drugs. Of course, the answer was no. Then we computed how much of the estimated ticket sales went into Nicholson’s pocket—easily more than the dollar being asked for by… Read more »

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I have seen two movies at the theater in the last year, more than the previous ten. Went and viewed 1917, not bad at all. If there was political message in it, I missed it. Just a very good story about a mission in a god awful war. Valor, horror and sorrow but done very well from my standpoint.

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I liked 1917. Pretty well balanced except they had to make the Germans merciless and the German pilot stabbing the young British soldier.
Could have happened, yes, but more than likely the German pilot would have been grateful they saved his life from burning to death.
Had to bring in a Indian too but was not totally out of line.
Good movie though.
World War 1 was the beginning of this current madness that we are in.
And a time period we should read and study more about.

greyenlightenment
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if the movie is any good it jut keeps getting converted to whatever the latest format is.

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Wasn’t art in times past tied to the divine? We have fallen a long way since the beginning of the 20th century. I mentioned Cary Grant to my twenty something niece and she had no idea who he was. Yeah, movie’s impact lasts a generation or so until the next set.

I saw this quote from Craig Ferguson the other day:actors are just carnies with better teeth. Seems about right.

Yves Vannes
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The name dropping and reference points in today’s column and in the comments are telling. No one mentioned John Wayne. He died when I was 19. As a boy whenever he had a new movie come out all of the grandfathers in the neighborhood would take their grandsons to see it. It was one of the ways they passed on the sensibility of their era. His movies were communal events. Every Saturday morning the local movie house held a kid’s .25¢ matinee. A ’30s -’50s Western paired with the latest SciFi B-movie (lots of Italian ones – perfect for a… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Worse than not watching/forgetting John Wayne is what replaced him—the antihero. All/most of our hero’s today are confused and basically as bad as they are good. Right moral conduct is hopelessly confused with bad moral conduct. The viewer is left to take his choice. And of course, that leads to….

Alzaebo
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In Eastern Europe, they hold Medieval parades like we do Civil War reconstructions.

An American lady sitting at an outdoor cafe in Bulgaria, watching the parade, saw some 200 men marching barefoot with spears, wearing nought but wolfskins, with the wolf’s head on top.

The table next to her said “Hey, American!
We still remember before the Romans!”

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Range Front Fault

Yves….Just viewed The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance again. What Lefty doesn’t get about human nature! Should be mandatory film art in school. Having Commie folks I missed John Wayne growing up. Basic Husband introduced me to Westerns and John Wayne. Gals….don’t miss young Tom Selleck westerns with Sam Elliot. Was watching 1996 Riders of the Purple Sage with Ed Harris the other night when Basic Husband and I exclaimed that’s filmed in our world! That’s Wingate sandstone on top of the Chinle formation….that’s us!

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Also don’t miss Ride the High Country more on human nature movie by Sam Peckinpah staring aging Randolph Scott and Joel McCrea. Fabulous visual as filmed in my old hometown Mammoth Lakes and the Alabama Hills, recognized the weathered granites.

thekrustykurmudgeon
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I kind of like Thunderbolt & Lightfoot which was a mid 70s movie with Jeff Bridges and Clint Eastwood. It’s a western but it has a countercultural vibe to it that I like. Bridges was in another movie around that same time called Rancho Deluxe, which I’ve seen parts of, that is similar.

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I have to force myself to watch a movie. When there is a news item on the net I much prefer a text synopsis rather than video description (the exception is actual footage of some dramatic event.) Taking in basic verbal information via video just takes up too much mental bandwidth and I’ll often skip over news blurbs that are video only. I think it has something to do with the nature of the media. Like the above commenter, my 17 year old daughter probably knows very few 20th century actors, but she knows A LOT of 20th century musicians.… Read more »

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I don’t know if I agree that film is not art, but on the other hand, I don’t really care that much. What people judge to be art in their own lifetimes doesn’t mean a lot. Motion picture film is one of the newest media, and one which can’t be directly analogized to previous media the way still photography is analogous to painting.

If someone 300 years from now is watching a film play in the Louvre of Mohammed, in the shadow of the Grand Parisian Mosque, then calling it art, or not, will be meaningful.

Hoagie
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Hoagie

“…in the shadow of the Grand Parisian Mosque,” erected on the footprint of Notre Dame….FIFY

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Notre what?

Drake
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Drake

I get nostalgic for the 70’s and 80’s because people still had fun – which I think is why Tarantino looks backwards. A while ago my son and I were watching some music concerts from the 80’s – and even a teenager could see the joy people had making and listening to the music and recognize that it’s gone now. He wished he was around then to have that kind of fun.

Compsci
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Compsci

That’s a very sage inference. I often look at old films from the 30-40’s as well as silent films. There is something to be gleaned of the culture and people of the time. Yes, even though films are fantasy to a great extent, there has to be some reality surrounding it wrt how people behave and interact and live or the audience of the time would not accept it. So as Z-man can see hope for technology in early films as to later, I too see standards of behavior and aspirations that I regret no longer exist in our current… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Noir movies of the ‘40s are awesome. The cultural details, the rather staged but feisty human relationships, and the constant shadowy foreboding. We thought the dread signified life under the atom bomb, but perhaps what we actually feared back then was our own sad future, now partly realized. The curve of culture going from aspiration to disgust and surrender. Noir is the interaction of human decisions and Fate. We are seeing the results of such an interaction now, in the light of many bad human decisions.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Ol’ Remus’ sentiment is that great art captures a time and a place.

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Update: just read Dutch’s comment.
Wow. Even then they suspected the wrong side had won.

The movie “Gaslight”, from whence comes the term, was certainly a secret revolt, and a warning.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Something that I noticed when I first got Netflix was the overwhelming number of historically-based shows. At first, I just figured that it was a way for the producers to have all (or mostly) white actors/characters because while whites may claim to love diversity in theory, they avoid it like the plague in real life, including in their day-to-day viewing habits. But then it dawned on me that another reason might be simply that a show set today or God forbid in the future is just depressing. Outside of the usual accusations of racism or sexism, a show set today… Read more »

ChetRollins
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ChetRollins

Netflix was so notorious for adding diversity to times and places that had absolutely none, it became an internet meme.

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Netflix doesn’t actually create very much on its own. The vast majority of its “Netflix Productions” are existing properties it bought or optioned, so the multi-culturalism reflects what people in the film industry think, but Netflix certainly seems to sift for the very most vibrant.

Lately, there’s been a huge dump of Central and Latin American series and film, and those hold no interest for me, because I find a lot of their cultural assumptions either alien or repellent.

Also a ton of Korean stuff, which I find painfully amateurish and juvenile, from the few things I’ve sampled. Also not my culture.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I love foreign film. True science fiction in action.

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Some foreign film I like. I’ve enjoyed some French, Dutch and Swedish stuff very much.

abprosper
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abprosper

I suspect other than really bored people or activists no one White, Hispanic or anything else watches that stuff. Much of it is whiny activist stuff and/or woke trash which basically nobody likes other than woke folk. There is a strong Latino film/TV culture but its mostly crazy dumb comedy like the late Sabado Gigante (56 seasons!) and Telenovelas along with lots of dumb action films that all kind of guys of all races watch. The fusion of the cultures Anglo and Hispanic is basically El Rey TV which can be pretty good at times. Its all English speaking though… Read more »

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

Most of the offerings on Netflix streaming fall into standard product categories. They even advertise them that way — each has a terse description (“Heartfelt dot intimate dot emotional”; “Slow burn dot forceful dot gritty”) to connect with the target audience. And as we all know the great majority are multi-culti globohomo. I check the lineup regularly but mostly am disappointed or repelled. Yet, occasional Netflix original movies and series are as good as anything being made today or in the past. Examples: if you like intelligent action films, Bodyguard is a model of its genre, a rare thriller that… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Yeah, I noticed a fair amount of silliness. But you can almost see the producers walking that fine line between avoiding the SJW crowd while keeping their white audience. Whites might show up once in a while for a movie with a black lead actor or a heavily multi-everything cast (mostly to make themselves feel better about themselves) but they won’t do it day in and day out, which is what a series needs.

Whites don’t like diversity. Simple as that.

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

“Whites don’t like diversity. Simple as that.” I wonder why that would be. Are whites just prejudiced and insular?

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Nobody really likes actual diversity. As has become plain, diversity doesn’t mean diversity, it means “no Whites.” But so what if we are prejudiced and insular? It’s our country. Go somewhere else full of wonderful brown people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

For same reason everyone hates diversity: You have to be around people and cultures that are different and foreign. Sure, blacks love white stuff, but most don’t actually like living around whites.

And, yeah, whites are prejudiced and insular, just like everyone else, only we’re too fuc$ing pussy to admit it.

abprosper
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abprosper

No human being other than a few Leftists actually likes diversity, Duck.

Its human, all of human nature and pushing it is as cruel to non Whites as it is to Whites.

Everybody wants to live among their own people to their own customs in peace and prosperity and even well meaning attempts to encourage diversity end up hurting everyone.

Mike_C
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Mike_C

” Are whites just prejudiced and insular?”

No no. That would be Chinese and Special People.
Among others….

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

“Are whites just prejudiced and insular?” Whoops. Blowback! It was metaphorical. The correct answer to the question is, “No, but they do tend to notice things.”

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And women warriors who could slash their way through a room of muscle-bound Vikings. Yeah. That works.

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After several seasons of suffering Lagertha slay Viking warriors I finally busted through peak ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ and crashed into ‘can no longer tolerate juvenile Grrrrrrl Power agitprop’, and quit watching “Vikings”. I, like many here no doubt, prefer period pieces because they tend to be less pozzed. More and more of the period pieces are caving to anti-white norms and casting minorities in the roles of europeans, or highlighting homosexual characters, or Jewish themes. Its almost as if the creative people who run these shows spend considerable efforts in finding ways to deligitimize whitey’s history. Recently, in the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

When I mentioned to one of my kids that I didn’t like non-whites showing up in medieval Europe shows, she said that she didn’t see why it was a big deal.

I asked her how she’d feel if the actress for her life story was a fat, very dark-skinned Mexican who was portrayed as a lesbian. She just shook her head in agreement.

Michaeloh
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Michaeloh

Its not easy to explain how you can defeat a people by re-writing their history for them. Just to say that is liable to provoke eyerolls from the kids. For girls making it personal, as you did, may be a good tactic.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

That was exactly what I was trying to do: Make it personal. And it’s not just girls that this works on, it’s everybody, though, admittedly, it works best on girls.

Like if someone brings up immigration, I say, “History isn’t kind to minorities and that’s what your kids are going to be. Mass immigration didn’t do the Indians much good, I doubt we’re going to get treated much better.”

Mike_C
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Mike_C

Speaking of deliberately offensive casting, here is Varg Vikernes giving his opinion of the movie “Lords of Chaos”, this section in particular is about the casting, including which actor was selected to play him.

https://youtu.be/O2d5jWg9b1w?t=162

Compsci
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Compsci

Michaeloh, indeed. That’s what I hate about all novels/movies that are claimed to be fiction based on fact or a historical based narrative. Folks see these and assume they are relatively accurate and that unfortunately is their sole instruction in the history of the events portrayed. Vikings was a good example. If you know a bit about the Vikings and their initial surge into European history, you are amazed at how the writers got the history wrong. They basically used names, events, and scenes dozens of years out of order and made the rest up, and then layered it over… Read more »

Kirk Forlatt
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Compsci, good points. What’s really interesting to me is that most people who have seen “Schindler’s List” are unaware that it’s based on a NOVEL, not a nonfiction historical work.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Now there are collections of Black historical imposters, just as collections of media blue-stars and black-top couples.

Regarding Lagertha, nonwhite girls, most emphatically blacks, will go all banshee– but only on other females.

White women? They’ll shoot a man-threat with the same cold dispassion as white males. I resent the propaganda showing our women as quivering wimps.

We have Queens and WACs in our history.
Our women are badasses, and hold the same lethal efficiency as our men.
As VDHanson says, we are clean killers, without the messy cruelty of the nons.

Mike_C
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“Netflix was so notorious for adding diversity” The BBC is a close second. At least. Compare this excellent version of Henry V (The Hollow Crown, TV series): https://youtu.be/oz_IBbvcRao?t=16 to this racist monochrome version of Henry V: https://youtu.be/y1BhnepZnoo?t=36 In the good and historically accurate version, the black gentleman next to Hiddleston is the Duke of York (portrayed by Paterson Joseph). In the hateful and racist version the entire cast has been whitewashed. Shockingly, Branagh would have you believe that there were no Afro-Britons among the great nobles of England circa 1415. The BBC hits another one out of the park with… Read more »

Sentry
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Sentry

Well said!

UFO
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UFO

Citizen – at risk of coming off as brown nosing – I would like to say thank you for your posts, which almost always bring new insights. When I see “citizen” I know to read the comment closely. You actually get it, and understand what we need to do. I wonder if Z could come up with some kind of pamphlets or materials outlining our strategies in clear ways, with contributions from you and others here. Best of luck living in the DC swamp. I hope that we can all spread yours, and other great ideas coming from this blog,… Read more »

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The medium is naturally limiting by length and dialog. In the book to movie genre, the most successful are ones that manage to capture the “feel”. “The Right Stuff”, “Last of the Mohicans” and “Lawrence of Arabia” fit that mold. Wolfe’s writing was pointillist, which made his books almost impossible to translate to the screen. Fenimore Cooper wrote in vernacular, which is impenetrable if not acquainted with it and TE Lawrence covered more nuanced ground in “Seven Pillars”. But each movie, despite liberties with storyline (extensive in Cooper/Manns case, put in you in the moment and feel of the time.… Read more »

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I would add Blade Runner / Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep to that category. Brilliantly captured the dystopian future of the novel, imho.

Compsci
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Novels are always better than the film adaptation. Novels are read and then “pictured” in the mind. So if you read about a hero, say a man of great strength, integrity, and endurance, you build a “perfect” picture of him in you mind. A movie however, might cast Brad Pitt. When you see the movie, especially after reading the novel, you are naturally disappointed—unless you are a die hard Pitt fan. 😉

Sandmich
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I always thought the odd thing with To Kill a Mockingbird was that it lost nothing from book to screen (which speaks to the weakness of the book and the comparative strength of the movie).

As a non-reader of Harry Potter books I wished the movies, at least the ones that I could make myself sit through, were a little more divorced from their source material.

Mike_C
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‘Novels are read and then “pictured” in the mind.’
Exactly. A good friend says, “I will never watch the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies. I don’t care if they are good or bad, because I already *know* what Strider looks like.” This is the one who also said “I am not Hispanic, or Latina. I am Spanish, which means White European. I am NOT one of those people.”

Cloudswrest
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Line that will live forever, “Do you see a sign on my house that says ‘dead …… storage?'” I was agape with tears in my eyes laughing the first time I saw that movie. The Christopher Walken vignette regarding the watch was just so off the wall bizarre too!

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

“Nah, I’m pretty fucking far from “ok””

John Smith
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Art reflects the collective soul, and ours is in transition. Let us examine how we got here: In the beginning there was God’s will. His was a universe of an endless morality play, and His will governed everything we did. Lose a war or battle? God’s will. Pestilence and plague? God’s will. Famine? God is angry with you! That eventually ran us afoul of guys like Capernicus and Galileo and they ushered in The Age Of Reason. That in turn sparked the renaissance and art and science took off at a rate that our wisdom could not keep up with.… Read more »

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Once upon a time, people had to struggle in order to stay alive by finding food and avoiding been eaten. This was anything but boring, and we are descended from the survivors of than gauntlet. Nowadays, virtually no struggle at all is required in order to subsist in our modern society, because government will provide food, housing, medical care, etc. etc. etc. And so boredom is the new existential affliction of our age. Movies and rap music mollify this boredom. It’s the real version of soma.

ChetRollins
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ChetRollins

Kevin Smith said that people hundreds of years from now will look for inspiration from Captain America lifting Mjolnir in The Avengers.
Truly art for the ages.

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LOL!

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

I preferred Nolan’s Batman trilogy myself. His version of Bruce gets his ass kicked, continuously trains himself, changes his tactics, and comes back better and stronger. That is a lesson my sons will be raised on.

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In the Nolan Batman trilogy, Batman/Bruce Wayne is the bad guy pushing globohomo. He protects a Gotham whose oozing putrescence had covered all that was decent with social pus that then hardened into a shell. That decent under-structure was then dissolved such that what remained was a brittle, degenerate, and disgusting shell, a diseased echo of what had once been. All it would take to bring it down was a sharp blow. And then decent folk could rebuild.
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Batman/BW sought to keep animate the rotten corpse and prevent its resurrection. Batman was the bad guy.

Hoyos
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Oh fuck that Roo—ster. In the first one he’s trying to save the righteous from being immolated along with the unjust by foreign terrorists, in the second he’s fighting the personification of chaos and madness, and in the third he’s practically the Scarlet Pimpernel, Bane et al are overtly referencing the French Revolution, many shots were lifted from classical paintings portraying the French Revolution. Clear left wing mobbery, the third one is about as leftist as Red Dawn. On top of all that he’s an hereditary aristocrat trying to preserve his patrimony, that’s not just traditionalist it’s downright anti modernist… Read more »

Mike_C
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The Batman character was always a bit of a nutjob to me (the “no guns” thing) but it’s hard to see the Nolan trilogy pushing globohomo. The “ballroom conversation” might be interpreted as leftist:
Selina Kyle [into Wayne’s ear]: There’s a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you’re all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.
But I interpreted that as anti-oligarch and therefore anti-globohomo.

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I have a theory why we are seeing this crap—box office mega hit movies featuring comic book characters ad nausea. No supporting evidence, just the bad boy in me thinking. It’s that we now have a different audience at prime movie watching age with a different level of intellectual/cognitive ability. I, like most others here (yes, I’m being presumptive), watched my fill of Saturday morning cartoons while in grade school and bought lots of comic books as well. But as I matured and began to achieve a certain level of intellect/maturity, fell away from such childish entertainment and indeed, the… Read more »

UFO
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Bingo. The 30s and under in America are 60% or less white. It ain’t your grandpa’s American no more, son. My father and other older relatives have trouble grasping the same ideas in Canada. They can’t fathom that the core of the country, people in their 20s, are actually alien mud hut people. I see it because I’m with the 3rd worlders. every day. and it’s awful. The only “benefit” to 3rd worlders is that p*ssy is easy to get particularly from Asian (East and South) women. But really that’s no benefit at all and we’re just as screwed, but… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

*snigger*
Save him, Heimdall!

ProUSA
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ProUSA

I would rather go fishing or to the rifle and pistol range than contribute one penny to those in the movie business. I like CM Russell paintings and older Broadway musicals, Handel’s Messiah, classical country music, Sinatra, Cole, Monro. My life ambition is to hijack the sound system at at the next national feminist convention and play Jack Jones singing Wives and Lovers. “ Hey, little girl Comb your hair, fix your make-up Soon he will open the door Don’t think because There’s a ring on your finger You needn’t try any more For wives should always be lovers, too… Read more »

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One of the things I find the most disturbing is the total dumbing down of popular music. Remember, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Tommy Dorsey, Billie Holliday, etc were the ‘pop music’ of their day. Compare that to pop music today…

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A great thing about movies and music (and art) of the past is that a lot of it is still out there to discover and visit. One finds that some of it was dreck, but some of it was very nice to watch or listen to. Digging beyond the icons yields up all sorts of enjoyable nuggets. Some of the iconic stuff that has been passed down and is now cliche can be bypassed for the less lasting material. Find what was the most popular in the day, but is unknown now, and one discovers that part of it is… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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Elvis, as much as my Dad loved him and got me to appreciate him, killed all that pop music.

Everything that Elvis’s critics said about the effects his acceptance would have came true. Who do you blame for a shameless slut like Miley Cyrus being a pop star? Elvis and the system that promoted him.

Dutch
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Dutch

Helen Forrest or Martha Tilton will get you fixed right up.

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California Dreamin’ has turned into a nightmare. It is interesting to speculate on the psychological trauma this will induce in millions of young people yearning for that life-altering experience in the Golden State, particularly the Hollywood version. It will still alter lives, but not in the “consciousness-raising” manner they are expecting. Soon, there will be nowhere for white America to run to. Utopia is gone. For those of you who enjoy classic Hollywood films, many are definitely worth watching, especially John Ford westerns and Hitchcock thrillers. And there are others. Don’t buy them new if you are a collector. Buy… Read more »

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I understand the blogger here, as a younger man, finds his focus on pop/junk material from the likes of a Tarantino. However, to me one of the earliest, post World War II pieces of sociological “art” – mirroring life – to come out of Hollywood… in an era when high profile closeted homosexuals were still being put forth as icons of manhood in films is: “Attack!”, the movie made from the screenplay “Fragile Fox.” This story is a stand in for ALL that is, and was government, military and corporate bureaucracy and corruption. Cowardice is the main theme, as is… Read more »

Scott
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Kind of like The Cross of Iron then. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/

HomerB
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Yeah, and that among my favorite Peckinpah movies. Before the genre all went to team wuss, team woman.

G Lordon Giddy
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“Don’t let the Mexicans see you cry” Classic line from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. 1969 was probably peak America Now it’s the multi cultural Star Wars brigade and females with the upper body strength of Mike Tyson, only nicer looking and no facial tatoos. No wonder we look back. It was a better time. And if this coronavirus is really not just a exaggerated news story to damage Trumps re-election chances or the latest hair on fire chance to get news ratings like Hurricanes and Tornado coverage. If this virus really is that dangerous? President Roosevelt’s Japanese internment… Read more »

Compsci
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COVID-19 is not that dangerous, but will cull the old and sick as do all these pandemics. That is Nature. 20% or so if you are over 60 (Chinese stats). That has me somewhat nervous, but that is not a knock-out blow for civilization as we have limited value at this point in life.

Folks point back to the “great influenza”. Note that took out the susceptible (culled the herd) and never came back. So it may be with this latest version of SARS.

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G Lordon Giddy

I agree but after watching the bafoons last night I will be waiting for the billionaire idiot Tom Steyer breathlessly tell us the Russians are behind the Coronavirus.
Or the 4 ft Oligarch Bloomberg tell us that he bought the solution to the problem like he told us last night that he bought Congress.
If the virus is more dangerous than the regular flu bug it’s gonna be fun watching the business school elites “ just in time” production systems collapse because “ just in time” means a fed ex shipment from communist China.
Some interesting scenarios brewing today.

Compsci
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Compsci

Just in time shipping and China connection is really the icing on the cake and the good news—iff the lesson is learned, and perhaps only will be learned if reinforced with several thousand avoidable deaths.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Ah, good. You grow your own food, carry water in buckets, and regularly overhaul your Model T’s engine with hand tools, then.
Local rail branches deliver farm goods.

Failure cascades.
May this Angel pass over us.

Though I agree, not a knockout blow.
We weren’t waiting for the Bomb- we all knew that Nature’s Cull would come to the interconnected world.
Will it be a proof of separation or of redundancy?

Our masters must’ve forgotten the Black Plague, but we Europeans remember it, and we keep our history. And our art:

Ring around the rosey
Pockets full of posies
Ashes, ashes
We all fall… down!

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And what about the point that someone on UNZ is making that there has yet to be even one death of a non- east asian? Maybe us gringos can just skip this panic, keep our powder dry for the next ‘heterosexual aids global warming is racist pandemic’ threat to human survival?

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Yeah I am not really sure on that score – seems like the story is being told along the ‘Florida man’ line of agitprop. I want to know if there are any non Asians that died. What percentage of non Asians, compared to those affected – and comparable statistics for Asians in terms of communicability and mortality.

But all I see is that The Bachelor should not sex up all the wimmins, aka “news” in the MSM.

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If art says something about society, what it seems to be saying about us is that we do not care about effort, skill or technique. It is an absolute condemnation of our society that janitors will sometimes mistake “art” with trash and throw it away and so-called all white art can sell for 15 million dollars.

Dutch
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Tars, two sites where you can fall through the rabbit hole and enjoy art as you and I believe it to be.

http://www.artcontrarian.blogspot.com

http://www.illustrationart.blogspot.com

The second one suffers from TDS, but when he sticks to the task at hand, which is most of the time, it is very good.

urbando
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urbando

Thanks for the links, Dutch.

Tarstarkusz
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Tarstarkusz

I’ll check em out.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

Tom Wolfe The Painted Word

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The sort of movies that are popular tangentially touches on something I discussed the other day, w European dissidents. We were discussing why Enoch Powell, the British politician who made the ‘rivers of blood’ speech against immigration to Britain in the late 1960s, was railroaded politically after that. I suggested Powell was like Churchill but less fortunate. Others felt he was at fault himself for not rising up so he could have averted Britain’s disastrous course on immigration, and possibly inspired other countries in Europe and North America to rethink multiculturalism. The central contention is if leaders rise to change… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“The masculine thing, …(is to) stick to your guns in opinions and other matters. And then wait for your time. Which, for most, may never arrive in their lifetime. Which is why it takes a sort of existential courage to be a real man.”

Simba, the immortal gods themselves salute you for that.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Haha thanks buddy 🙂

Jack Boniface
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I don’t know if it’s “art,” but The Far Side cartoon now officially is online. Once the most popular cartoon, it ended in 1995 and is a weird excursion into an America that no longer exists:
https://www.thefarside.com/

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Jeff MacNelly’s political cartoons were some of the finest of the 20th century. The dude was a great illustrator. Here’s just one example…
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Sentry
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Sentry

Great column!

Exile
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Exile

Art is art – the quality varies. Tarentino’s entitled to claim the label but we can qualify or detail it (e.g. “degenerate,” “anti-” etc….). His art serves the same function as high art but resonates with a lower brow and isn’t necessary done with the kind of technical mastery more discriminating tastes would demand. There’s always room for another nihilist. Snark, irony and black pills are net-positive for Big Nanny – the dissatisfaction and critique they spread is more than made up for by the apathy and ennui that spread with dread-memes. The kind of “critique” offered by guys like… Read more »

Tarstarkusz
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I disagree about the tastes of the brows. It’s not the people of the gutter enjoying “abstract” and “modern” “art” It seems to me that the less sophisticated put more value on technique and technical mastery than the sophisticated appreciator of what passes for art these days.

Exile
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Exile

Tarentino’s not abstract or modern – it’s lowbrow. Pulp Fiction mania was the 1990’s definition of mid-wittery.

Cinematography and CGI-splodeys aren’t the same thing. Grugs aren’t concerned with the brush-strokes and color selection, they just want gore & bobs.

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You have no grasp of the vast gulf between Tarantino’s middle-brow (at times) pieces, and the quotidian knuckle-gragging dire crap that’s the usual movie fare,

Dutch
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Dutch

My favorite mid-century so-called “art” was the old comedy TV shows. Bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie, Hogan’s Heroes. They played in endless rerun loops in the late ‘60s, in the afternoons and early evenings, and on weekends. They portrayed a certain elan in their productions, idealizing upper middle class life and hot blonde MILFy wives (probably where my thing for tall blondes came from). Hell, Hogan idealized POW camp living in a way that would make Bernie Sanders envious. Yeah, you could see the beginnings of the stupid husband and boss thing starting up, but still…for an eight or ten… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Gilligan’s Island! Addams Family!
The Munsters! Batman! Green Hornet!
Dark Shadows! Looney Tunes!
Star Trek!! Beverly Hillbillies!

And, after school, The Flintstones!

Sentry
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Sentry

If Kubrick made this movie, it would have been about Polanski making dark deal with higher ups for success, witch covens sending Manson to kill Shannon Tate, Woodstock as a giant ritual for the coming NWO.

That’s da difference between Quentin & Kubrick.

Z-Man is right about Tarantino, he is juvenile. People will remember this movie for Bruce Lee scene.

King Tut
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“Art should be hammer, not a mirror”. I forget now which old leftie revolutionary came up with that one but it worked and we are still living with it and dealing with it. The idea was to use art not to reflect the age or the values of any given society but to use it to demoralise and neutralise the “bourgeois values” that, according to hair-on-fire lefties, were preventing the general acceptance and spread of their revolutionary ideas. Subsequent generations of artists (including this generation) regard it as their job not to create great, uplifting art but to tear down… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

King Tut, can we have NOTHING?!

King Tut
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King Tut

Alzaebo, I don’t think so. “Woe unto the vanquished” as the saying goes.

urbando
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urbando

Yes, indeed. Art became a hammer 100 years ago; it has been anti-art except for what is in the museums and as practiced by a small number of artists. The destruction of beauty was the goal and it was achieved.

Hoagie
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Hoagie

Your statement about ours being “The Age of Vulgarians” would make a great book title.

The Right Doctor
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The Right Doctor

I speed-read it as ‘Age of Vulgarius’ and heard a song in my head…

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Singing it now, dagnab you! 😉

Major Hoople
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Major Hoople

Good column, thank you for it. And for the explanation of why I can’t stand modern sci-fi. My young relatives recommended the Expanse. I was disgusted and bored by it. Ok, here’s some boomer sci-fi poasting. The stuff I read as a kid in the fifties could be dismissed, and was, as pulp space opera. But, guess what? At its heart it was masculine and moral. Take the stories written by Andre Norton (actually a pen name for a lady), such as the Lucky Starr series. These you could dig up and give to your kids, and be happy about… Read more »

Sentry
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Sentry

Thank u for saying EXPANSE is bad. Can’t agree more.

The Last Stand
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The Last Stand

Read the Legionnaire series. Basically Star Wars written from the perspective of the stormtroopers if they were competent instead of cannon fodder.

Dutch
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Dutch

The Expanse had all the tough wimmen tropes and so on. What makes me giggle is that, as far as I can tell (I don’t dive deep into it), fantasy and sci-fi, which lefties simply crave, is all about clans and tribes and battles. All the human nature stuff that lefties try to ignore or do away with (at least on the white male side) in the real world.

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Wolf Barney

One of the most popular TV shows of our time is Game of Thrones. I watched the first 4 or 5 seasons and started out enjoying it. Eventually the nihilism wore me down and I didn’t see any point to continuing it. Maybe I missed out and it turned out to be worthwhile, but I doubt it and I don’t care.

Marko
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Marko

They are all just soap operas with elaborate set designs and costumes. British accents for extra effect. LOTR, GoT, everything on Netflix etc.

miforest
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miforest

it was just a chance to put T &A on the screen , with a little hinted at kinky stuff. along with gory violence. the hipsters lived for that crap. I didn’t watch much of it .look at this . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qsndv9DTSk

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Just because it’s obligatory in this sort of discussion. Sturgeon’s law:

“Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

miforest
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one of the best youtube channels for film is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwFshwxECq0&t=7s it is called blackpilled . I saw ford vs Ferrari and I thought it was a great rendition of the masculine ethos of the 60’s. I have foggy memories of some of the events. but at it’s heart it was both a buddy movie , and a great love story . I loved both . the story of the ken miles and his wife , and the way she supported and loved him through the ups and downs of life. also how he overcame his weaknesses and ego to do… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

one of the best youtube channels for film is called blackpilled .

Seconded. His take on Stepford Wives is devastating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng9YjgN19to

Mike_C
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Mike_C

Try the Blackpilled take on “The Man Who Saved Europe” — a 1934 hagiography about the Rothchilds.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VjPC-tnw7Ik/

Shockingly, this was NOT made to be anti-Jewish but rather the opposite.

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Felix_Krull

Yes, but that’s a rather obscure movie. The Stepford Wives is mainstream.

Mike_C
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Mike_C

Maybe it should be less obscure then. And I got the title wrong. Sorry. The MOVIE is called The House of Rothschild, the video is called TMWSE.

The level of ethnocentric arrogance, self-pitying victimhood, self-puffery, and obliviousness displayed in THoR [1] is rarely so nakedly on display in movies and television these days. You have to go to places like Forward to see that sort of cluelessness in the present.

[1] Wellington tells Nathan Mayer Rothschild that NR is the real hero who defeated Napoleon.

Sandmich
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Sandmich

I look forward to your “Are Video Games Art?” column 😉

thekrustykurmudgeon
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Z – The thing I got from Once Upon A Time in Hollywood was that there was still a kind of optimism in LA back then. Compare that to “The Nice Guys” or “Boogie Nights” which are both set in LA, but in 1977. It’s like the optimism of the 60s was long gone.

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Tarantino did a good job reconstructing what the Valley would have looked like at the time. But at the end, yes, I walked out of that movie saying “this is a sad, creepy, wax museum of our culture.” Compare that to its namesake, Once Upon a Time in the West. That spaghetti western is pure art, right down to the soundtrack. Only an Italian director could have made that. It’s not even comparable to the shitty, overrated John Wayne movies from that time. American culture is about materialism, but with cheapness and utilitarianism. It’s the big roomy house, clad in… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

It is very hard to make a retrospective and get it right. The morals and attitudes of the later moment always invade the narrative. I try to take my cultural cues from movies that are made concurrently to the moment being portrayed.

greyenlightenment
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>Motion pictures are a passive medium, encouraging the viewer to relax and let the images flashing past him do all the heavy lifting. Citizen Kane is considered the best film ever made, but it does not rival literature in terms of artistic impact.

hmmm but many ,movies are based off books and that screenplays and literature share similarities

greyenlightenment
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edit: obv. example: Shakespeare

Cloudswrest
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Cloudswrest

FYI, here’s “Yggdrasil’s Movie List”. The original web site, with reviews, appears to be down. This link is from a web search.

https://the-eye-opener.blogspot.com/2007/02/yggdrasils-movie-list.html

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Felix_Krull

The classical nude statues are art, rather than pornography, because they are idealized representations created to celebrate the human form.

I suspect a lot of it was porn or at least softcore, and I am positive that is the case with Renaissance art. (And to nobody’s surprise, a lot of the artists were gay.)

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

And to think, those neolithic Venuses may have been the porn of their time as well.

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Felix_Krull

All the men in the cave paintings are sporting monstrous boners, so it’s not like they were being subtle about it.

TheLastStand
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So fat acceptance is the mark of barbarism. Thanks feminists!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Bring back bone-in-the-nose!
Tradition matters!

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Felix_Krull

Art should be lasting and movies just don’t hold up over time.

Neither do most novels.

Artforms need time to mature, and the novel has only really come of age in the last 100 years. It’s a matter of developing techniques and tradecraft. In a hundred years, maybe film will have matured too.

(And it should be noted that back when the novel was conceived, it was considered base and frivolous entertainment poisoning young, impressionable minds who should be reading their catechism instead.)

Din C. Nuttin
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Din C. Nuttin

Actually, bearing false witness was the problem, lying is immoral, fiction is lies.

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Felix_Krull

Pop culture’s corrosive influence on the youth has been an issue since Antiquity, so it’s not just about the Church. Musical inventions have almost invariably been met with the same attitude.

Obake158
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Obake158

Interesting takes Z. Film has literally become an anxiety producing media form of filth and horror. The films that come closest to art (Darren Arenovsky’s or Lars Von Trier’s work) are grotesque mockeries of humanity or just pressure cookers that stew the viewer in madness. TV and film are now nothing more than syringes to inject a corporate branding message, or reinforce themes of mental, spiritual and cultural subversion. They are all but unwatchable. So that means that film and television are out of bounds for discussion, except to mock the medium or deconstruct the AntiWhite narrative. Music is vulgar,… Read more »

HamburgerToday
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HamburgerToday

I definitely like ‘One Upon A Time … In Hollywood’ better than the Zman. Rather than thrilling the audience (at least until the end), Tarantino seemed to be going for seduction (with a bit of creepy and, then, finally, ultraviolence).

Jim Smith
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Jim Smith

Ouch!

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Tarantino has made some fine movies but we need to use what means we can to get the #MeToo mob turned in his direction.

Call him “Weinstein-Adjacent” and meme that notion throughout the left’s restless camps. There’s an education angle here, too: none of these zoomer pink guards have ever heard of Dead Nigger Storage.

If TRS can’t bring itself to enter the political arena because reasons, maybe they can rouse the shitlords to cause chaos for the J-left. Have some fun again.

Cloudswrest
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Bill_Mullins
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The ZMan wrote “popular culture is a low-brow product made for profit, not artistic achievement” Remember, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt and those other guys were no more “artists” than today’s performers. They were just guys busting their humps to make a living. They were the pop culture stars of their day; no more no less. Hell, Liszt had unusually large hands so he wrote music pretty much nobody else play so people would pay to see/hear him do his thing. It’s only later generations that considered them great artists. Mozart’s dad used him as a source of income because he was… Read more »

james wilson
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Mozart was the first great child prodigy, but he was not a rock star. The first rock star was Pagannini, but he was also immensely talented and several levels above any composer-perfomance artist ever to live to that point. Musical artist of that day, like both those men, indeed loved money and loved to spend it as well, but the alternative to having money in that time was grim. The level of genius in the musical arts has been dropping, ironically, in proportion to the great incease of the numbers of people in the world and along with it those… Read more »

Din C. Nuttin
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Din C. Nuttin

One of the first books i read was “Call of the Wild”. The movie with Clark Gable was okay, but doesn’t compare with the classic book. I won’t be seeing the new remake with Harrison Ford, probably has Buck as gay, the way things are going.

KGB
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KGB

Sorry to go off-topic but I just saw a couple online ads that got the old blood boiling. The first is that there’s a slew of Census ads now bombarding us. And they all feature non-white, artsy-fartsy types, with the tag line that participating in the census will help shape your future. Even the government makes no bones about its plans for replacement. The second one was for entrepreneurs on Amazon and the subsites they can create and control. Naturally this ad featured a deeply black woman, the head of one of those simply dreamy upper middle class colored families.… Read more »

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Woke: “empower my kids and others that look like them”

Nazi: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

Basically the same sentiments, right?

UFO
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UFO

Yes, and both are perfectly natural and healthy sentiments. Problem is, only the former are protecting the interests of their future children.

Mark Stoval
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Mark Stoval

I don’t watch TV or go to the movies. I gave up on both about 20 years ago.

But I do think a movie could be art. The original, voice over, version of Blade Runner seems to be art to me. It was far, far better than the short story. The movie caused me to seriously think about AI long before it became a thing.

Citizen Cane on the other hand was tedious and boring. That movie is not even in the top 100. (other than on lists made up by ¨intellectuals¨).

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The Blade Runner was great art, one of the immortals. You’ll find it’s the music that makes the movie.

Vangelis in BR, or say, J. Williams’s Star Wars.

JohnTyler
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JohnTyler

Perhaps at one time, long ago art and the movies could be a reflection of society. Not anymore. Art today – all it’s forms – reflects the views and attitudes of the elitist, very wealthy ruling elites. Of course, this includes Hollywood. This is why you see “art,” for which the wealthy will pay tens of thousands of dollars, that could have been created by a three year old with a brush and a can of paint and a canvas. Or worse, “created” by an elephant or a chimpanzee, provided with paint, brush and canvas. Today’s “artists” realize that to… Read more »