No, It’s Not The Flu, Bro

After the Saudi attacks on the World Trade Center buildings, we had a week of panic and confusion, mostly in the ruling class. Whether it was true or not, they carried on as if they were caught completely unawares by the attack. They shut down the airlines and closed the stock market for a week. Many people stayed home to watch the news and get their heads around what was happening. Most of America got back to normal within a few days and everyone waited for the ruling class response.

More than a few people have noted that the vibe in certain parts of the country has the same feel as the days after 9/11. Then and now, the northeast was most affected by the aftermath of the event. New Jersey shutdown after 9/11, but North Carolina carried on pretty much without interruption. We see a similar pattern now. The mad scramble by the rulers is also similar. Even the propaganda organs have been disrupted, having to depart from their normal barrage of hatred for the rest of us.

The important thing about this comparison between this event and the days after 9/11 is what followed it. Twenty years ago, the first step was to increase the importation of Muslims into the country. Immigration across the board increased in the aftermath of the Saudi attacks. Then, of course, we launched a never-ending crusade against concepts like terror and extremism. This necessitated a roll-out of the surveillance state and the expansion of domestic spy agencies and domestic spying.

This trip down memory lane is a useful corrective to the claim that this panic is just a two-week lock-down in response to the flu. The one-week shutdown that followed 9/11 brought with it a massive reordering of American society. In 1999, we did not have secret courts and warrantless surveillance. Before that event, no one thought they would ever see the FBI and CIA conducting domestic espionage against politicians, much less trying to overturn an election.

This month-long lock-down, and that is what they are planning, by the way, will bring with it a massive re-ordering of society. Think about what is happening. The government is willy-nilly telling businesses to shut down. People are being locked into their homes on the orders of local officials. In the fullness of time, what we see happening will make Julius Caesar’s crossing the Rubicon river in January 49 BC look tentative. In a decade, the world of just a few weeks ago will be a foreign country to us.

If this sounds alarmist to you, consider this. When Bush launched the forever wars, there were two camps opposed to it. The Left suddenly discovered its anti-war attitudes and responded with parades and puppet shows in major cities. It was an extended holiday for their freaks to go wild in the streets. The leadership, however, chanted absurd slogans about multinationals like Halliburton, but otherwise went along with it. The bipartisan uniparty always hangs tough during tough times.

The other opposition came from the paleocons. They correctly pointed out that this was worse than folly, as it would take generations to fix. The roll out of the surveillance state would probably require a revolution to overturn. The wars themselves would end in tears, as the people in those countries were incapable of sustaining modern liberal democracy, even if they had an interest in it. Then, of course, there was the price to paid for handing over foreign policy to our greatest ally.

It should be noted, the same people mocking skeptics about this current panic, the people derisively chanting “It’s the flu bro”, could not wrap their heads around why the paleocons were so upset with Bush. Back then it was “better to fight them over there than over here.” It was not an answer to the skeptics, but a signal for the herd to come closer together in mutual defense against a threat. Then as now it is the sound that sheep make as they are being herded into a new pen.

Barring a collapse or revolution, no one reading this will see an unwinding of the changes that resulted from the panic of 9/11. This panic is orders of magnitude worse than what followed 9/11. The one-week shutdown of the economy gave us a nice recession that required lots of government intervention. A month long shut down of the economy will change the world forever. Just look at what is planned after a few days of this panic. The Republicans are now devotees of Andrew Yang.

The crusade Bush launched against concepts like terrorism and extremism is still with us, because you can never beat an imaginary enemy. The war against unapproved microscopic life forms will also never end, How can it? Just as every snow storm brings demands for people to shelter in place, every flu season will result in school closures and demands for people to self-isolate. Just as corporations harvesting your personal information has been normalized, what we are seeing now will be too.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have no way to know what comes from stopping a 20 Trillion-dollar economy in its tracks. It’s never been tried, because no one has ever been so insane as to contemplate it. Then you have the corresponding global shutdown. Maybe everything fire back up like new starting in May, but that means everything the experts have been telling us about the economy was wrong. There will be massive government intervention in the economy.

We are back to the point the paleocons unsuccessfully made back in the Bush years regarding the war or concepts. The trade-offs involved were monstrous and unacceptable. In order to keep the free flow of Muslims into the West and protect Israel from her neighbors, the American Empire would become a police state. Whatever benefit could possibly be gained from the war on concepts was dwarfed by the cost of it. 9/11 was terrible, it was not worth destroying the country over it.

Today we are seeing the same argument. In order to “flatten the curve” we need to obliterate what’s left of civil life. We have to hand to the state the power to shutter businesses, lock people in their homes and reorganizes society as they see fit. The price of flattening the curve will be a never-ending war on civil life by a thoroughly corrupt ruling class. So no, it is not just the flu bro. It is not about the stock market or the economy either. It is about what comes after the flu decades after it is gone.


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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

the two most dangerous types of people are
those with nothing to lose
and those with everything to lose.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

Laughter vs panic. That’s how you’ll know them. And if there are heroes it’ll be the people laughing right now.

edit: genuine laughter, not machismo.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

Norm Macdonald does standup about coronavirus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-skA4GhVX7k
Always liked that guy.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Drake
6 months ago

Other than Norm, I can’t think of a single stand up act/joke that I’ve laughed at for the past 30 years. The guy’s head and shoulders above every other comedian out there.

Member
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

You may want to see a therapist.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

Do you know of somewhere on the internet where we can have these discussions in an instant messenger sort of way?

Our enemy is quick; therefore, we too must be fast. Doesn’t our survival hinge on successful integration into their cybernetically fucked up reality anyway?

Johnmark7
Johnmark7
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

Hey! If it saves even one life, it’s worth it! LOL Seriously, though, I ask myself as an older at risk person, would I sacrifice my life for the sake of the economy? Hell no. But you’re saying, ” OK Boomer, why should we, who aren’t at risk, sacrifice anything for your sake?” Because you have it coming for being Godless cretins. St’ Aquinas pointed out, “A disordered mind is its own punishment.” The same is true of a disorder society. The hammer will fall. Now seems as good a time as any.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Johnmark7
6 months ago

I have to wonder if the Wuhan flu is going to act as a pry bar, working itself into the fissures in our society, and springing the jammed together segments apart. One can hope, even knowing that it might get unpleasant in the extreme. This country can’t live together anymore.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Johnmark7
6 months ago

Johnmark7. I hear ya, but assume you are a bit over the top to make a point. As an at risk oldster, I’d like to say that we run risks every single day and this one—CoronaChan—is not different, and it therefore should not be subject to such extensive government “prevention” methods. Actually, I don’t believe in the general knock posted here that Boomers or “oldsters” are the cause of this chaos. I believe the general public, if polled, think it’s their ass on the line as well. They may even admit, old folks are heavily burdened, but the reality is… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

What you wrote reminds me of a poem © Copyrighted by Colin Ryan (2010) When Men Become Truly Free There comes a times in the lives of men When the ruthless and the criminally insane Who rule the masses for their own gain Make the fatal mistake of enjoying too much Their psychopathic entertainment They lose control in their lust for blood And take too far their need to tread men down By destroying any sense of a secure life And taking away each and every freedom Stealing the last piece of wealth they possess So they cannot even care… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
6 months ago

Interesting. Compare Ryan’s thoughts of 2010 to Macaulay of the early 20th century wrt Ancient Rome.

Lays of Ancient Rome

Thomas Babington Macaulay

Excerpt:

“…
For Romans in Rome’s quarrel
Spared neither land nor gold,
Nor son nor wife, nor limb nor life,
In the brave days of old.

XXXII

Then none was for a party;
Then all were for the state;
Then the great man helped the poor,
And the poor man loved the great:
Then lands were fairly portioned;
Then spoils were fairly sold:
The Romans were like brothers
In the brave days of old.
…”

Sigh.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
6 months ago

The main fallout for this is Big Tech will gain more moral authority to expunge resources deemed a threat to public safety. Facebook is ruthlessly purging any articles that do not fit the official narrative, even ones entirely fact-based. Once there is civil unrest, they will crack down based on even more nebulous criteria. Google will soon crack down on bad-think even more with its search algorithms. Surprisingly, Twitter is being most tolerant of dissident thoughts regarding the virus. As much as people rag on Gab, Torba and company are one of the only people making products and services that… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Indeed. Look how quickly orange man sidled up to the google for ‘help’ in organizing and communicating key information on an official level. The convergence of private tech as a means for gov’t control and surveillance is only outpaced by the publics expeditious willingness to comply with the incremental creep toward house arrest. A crack of lightning has most of the sheep walking themselves into the paddock. Its quite easy then to chain the gate shut behind them. If there were ever a couple generations ready to self-isolate and rely solely on their phone and apps for instructions and entertainment,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

A reason I’m stuck on disruption as a consistent tactic is because of a stock-picking site I follow.

They recommend “disruptors”- mostly large-cap corporations that are readying to disrupt a sector.

Google, Amazon, Facebook, Disney- now, what do their CEOs and policymakers have in common?

(Hint: potential dual citizenship- but, these tactics can be successfully copied by the ruthless of any persuasion. They work.)

Would national economies be considered sectors? I’m asking my fellow consumption units of Economic Zone 7.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Look for non-conformist tech like Gab and perhaps even Twitter to disappear within the next few months.

Vidarr
Vidarr
Reply to  Jack Dobson
6 months ago

I don’t think Gab will be taken out. Even better is their commenting app, and now browser, Dissenter. That was a brilliant idea. It is too bad more people don’t use it.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

lower stock price , virus, recession, panic, etc. is hurting them though.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Side note, Chet: just in time for the ubiquitous placement of 5G coverage.

5G, incidentally, may bathe us in 13 million- capital M- times the emag radiation we wash in now.

But the odd thing is, Wuhan, China is the world’s #1 hot sink for 5G radiation. That’s apparently where they test the tech.

Don’t free particles dislodge organic molecular chains, a cause of mutation?

Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

I would need to see some evidence of this. 5G is basically the telecoms’ way of saying “millimeter band radio”. So basically radio waves that are on the order of 1mm from peak to peak. Current cell technologies use centimeter bands, basically the same as your microwave oven. What’s so great about tiny little waves? Well, essentially the data rate you can get using an electromagnetic wave varies inversely with its size. The problem is that as wavelengths get smaller, radio waves behave more like light than what we’re used to with radios. It didn’t matter that your walkie-talkie was… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  pozymandias
6 months ago

Pozymandias, you are a treasure.
That is exactly the type of detail I need (for other purposes). Can’t thank you enough.

I wish we could talk. I must learn.
I need this.
What disciplines or sciences do I study?

(Ooh. That video. Bad doggy.
Bad, bad doggy!)

Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

Glad to help. Well I studied physics and math in college. I got sucked into IT at one point and am trying to reinvent myself now. As for the tech scene I now watch in bemused horror as tech oligarchs, gibbering Pajeets, and other masters of the Engrish Ranguage butcher facts they barely understand themselves to regale teenagers from 5-105 about how “this changes everything”. Hint, whatever “this” is today, it changes nothing. The gibber-gabber and flim-flam people know this but they also know that their customer base has a stone age mentality and their uncle just died and left… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Tech’s power is having their hands on the kill switch and as the Lucky Pierre between the oligarchy and the hoi polloi. Anything beyond that is an illusion.

A year ago? Two? A 90 lbs Iranian female waif had the might gugoolag on lockdown for hours.

If the mighty tech giants ruffle enough feathers they will generate a lot more trouble than they are capable of handling. Even if you stick the national guard on their turf most of these people are so fragile that the stress would paralyze many if not most of them.

JZs
JZs
6 months ago

Stanford professor says the flattening the curve strategy actually prolongs the draconian lockdown: https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/03/17/stanford-prof-coronavirus-may-less-deadly-think-mild-justify-aggressive-countermeasures/

WTF

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  JZs
6 months ago

Everyone who has run the math on it has come to the same conclusion: flattening the curve leads to economic ruin AND high infection rates. This whole exercise is increasingly stupid, and like the Paleocons before, level headed commentators like Z and Denninger remind me of the scene in Titanic where they shoot the flare in the air.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Sandmich
6 months ago

Tut-tut, Dirt Person, you say “economic ruin AND high infection rates” like they’re a *bad* thing.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  JZs
6 months ago

You spend more money paying down a loan than you do paying cash, plus the financial constraint of making payments. Same principle. Less pain in the short term causes more pain in the long term.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  JZs
6 months ago

Physician friend (normally clear headed and rational guy) as well as dissident website I read (ER Doc SoCal) totally in end-of-life-as-we-know-it mode. Panic is largely driven by panic among the medical types. Logical, I suppose, as they are the ones who have to deal with it daily, and in person, and so are likely to encounter positive CV-19 people, as well as those yet showing no symptoms who they see for non-flu reasons. But they seem to have become bleating sheep, rather than steady sheepdogs. 1.5 million plus dead?? How does this square with other, radically lower projections? My doc… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  PrimiPilus
6 months ago

Good point. I’m seeing hysterics in the medical community as well. But the talking heads on radio are not far behind. Today’s opening commentary from one, “…we have to do this as no government can stand by while *millions* of its citizens die from disease…”.

That’s the talking points these days, all FUD, all the time.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  JZs
6 months ago

Yes, of course, but the effort is not just to flatten it, but to shorten it too. Which, I guess I thought was a given, but here we are. If you look at China, S.K., and now Italy, this virus seems to peak-out in 4-6 weeks from when they hit the panic button. China hit the panic button at the end of December, and by mid-Feb their total new cases was dropping off. People are going back to work there now, stores are opening, etc. South Korea? Smaller country, better testing, earlier steps to get people to stay home. About… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

I can only speak of what I experience. The State of AZ is officially shutdown. School is planned to be cancelled for the rest of the year. No restaurants open to sit down traffic. Movie theaters, other events, closed. Grocery stores with empty shelves. You know the story…

Yep, we are winning the war against this plague—total cases recorded, 21. One death. Complete economic collapse, 21 cases of the virus. Tell me about the cost benefit again? Trump getting re-elected will have to be one hell of a benefit to offset our economic collapse.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

It’s about the same in Louisiana. Six corona deaths in Louisiana – all in New Orleans, meanwhile 27 people were shot to death in New Orleans just in January and February. (A larger number were shot but survived).

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Federalist
6 months ago

And it is unlikely that this will cause influenza and pneumonia will crack the Top 6. There are a lot of things we would all love to see get done in a Trump 2nd Term. A President who can credibly claim to have saved millions of lives is going to have a lot of power to get the right things done. As if restructuring the ENTIRE global supply chain away from China wasn’t good enough. Leading causes of death, 2019: Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease:… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

This is like a hurricane that hits the entire country. Very few, if any, Americans die in hurricanes. But, how President Trump responds to the hurricane matters quite a bit. I don’t like the hysteria either, but the best crisis response to hysteria is action. Telling people they’re stupid just pisses them off and makes the hysteria worse. The economy isn’t going to collapse. There will be a weird 45-day “recession”. “Let them die,” is not a viable strategy for a virus that is 100x more lethal than the flu and as much or more contagious. It’s only a viable… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

hokkoda…The disease has *not* been shown to be 100x’s more lethal. That is scare mongering. No where—even Italy, have such figures been compiled. Flu for this year has some 40k+ deaths and an estimated 1/10% fatality. If the COVID-19 disease were to be 100x’s more lethal, that would be a 10% fatality rate. No where in the world has any death compilation even approached that rate. There is very good reason to assume that the official estimates of 1-2% TFR are high due to inexact estimates of the total prevalence of the disease among the populous. That is to say,… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

Pardon the extra 0, I meant 10x. Of the people we know who get it, the TFR is between 3-4% globally. Italy (I haven’t checked it lately) is around 7%. The US is around 1.3% last I checked. Let’s say there are 340,000,000 Americans and a 20% infection rate. Seems fair based on observable evidence and past pandemics. Of that 20%, assume half are sick enough to notice and report. And assume that the 1.3% TFR holds for cases we know about. That’s still 340,000 dead. The end times? Hardly. 10x the flu? About right. Estimates vary between 12-30K for… Read more »

Ned2
Ned2
Member
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

TFR of 3-4% is 30 times more lethal than regular flu.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

Just the crisis and the stock market crash (if it remains down) have greatly lessened Trump’s chances, alas.

Member
Reply to  JZs
6 months ago

Well of course it does. Flattening the curve makes perfect sense if you think there’s a simple and quick way to make a vaccine and deploy it widely. There isn’t though – https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237742-how-soon-will-we-have-a-coronavirus-vaccine-the-race-against-covid-19/. Notice how the even low estimate of 12-18 months relies on using “untested techniques”. Shutting down the economy for even 12 months is basically economic Armageddon but I suppose we can console ourselves with the notion that we dragged out the suffering (physical and economic) for as long as possible and eventually the last potential victim, John B. Alzheimer, age 94, of Plainfield NJ, Sanders delegate, and… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  pozymandias
6 months ago

Well said. And I hope to outlive John Alzheimer myself. 😉

De Beers Diamonds
De Beers Diamonds
6 months ago

We are a low trust society that will require authoritarian solutions to manage.

I suggest we stop carrying on about the lost opportunity for consumerism, and adjust to the reality of scaling up Singapore to a continental level.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  De Beers Diamonds
6 months ago

The problem with that is Singapore is essentially an ethnostate, and the people trust their rulers to represent them. Do an authoritarian state here, and you could end up the best of MSNBC running things.

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

I may be confusing the islands, but I’m pretty sure Singapore is anything but an ethnostate and that the founder said “in a multi-ethnic society, all politics is identity politics”

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
6 months ago

Without looking up the history, my recollection is Singapore split from Malaysia about 60 years ago. It’s essentially Chinese. They had one very smart, very tough leader, Lee Kwan something, who was very frank about race. Your statement is correct, In a multiethnic state, you vote your skin.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

The Indian and Malay populations in Singapore are not insignificant. English, Malay, Tamil, and Chinese (Mandarin and Min Nan) are widely spoken.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

Apparently Chinese are 76% and Malays 15%

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

Sounds about right. Noted should be the lack of Blacks and Browns.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

To Han Chinese, Malays ARE vibrant browns. Not to mention mostly Muslim.

Then again, to most of Southeast Asia, the “Overseas Chinese” (theoretically Han, but often mixed with local stock) serve the same role as Jews in Europe circa 1800-1940.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

Not insignificant, but they do not have any real power. The Han run things and they carefully control immigration to ensure Singapore stays that way. Of course, that’s assuming today’s leaders have the smarts and understanding and balls that Lee Kwan Yew had – he resented the British but also admired them and consciously modeled certain changes in Singapore to civilize the Han population.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  De Beers Diamonds
6 months ago

Singapore is full of competent bureaucrats paired with a Confucian society. American bureaucracy is not uniformly competent, and we have to deal with random diversity hires (like our Surgeon General). What makes up for the lack of competence is the police state. Do we want smart totalitarians or midwit totalitarians weilding police power? That’s the question.

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
Reply to  Marko
6 months ago

I think the applicable autocracy would be the Soviet Union. Submit to rule by the nominally meritocratic, worship the State, deny your eyes and ears, espouse the orthodoxy, or the Black Marias will come in the wee hours and take you away.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
Reply to  M. B. Lamar
6 months ago

Ummm, isn’t that where we’ve been the past forty years?

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
6 months ago

I feel like only very recently have I been unable to voice my once-uncontroversial opinion in public.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Marko
6 months ago

Want/have.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  De Beers Diamonds
6 months ago

Philadelphia has stopped locking up thieves. Should provide a lot of fodder for a Law and Order campaign.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/philadelphia-police-coronavirus-covid-pandemic-arrests-jail-overcrowding-larry-krasner-20200317.html

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Vegetius
6 months ago

Veg; About to get a dose of wokeness, they are. Just another example of Z’s point about COVID Panic providing petty politicians with an excuse to do stuff they’ve always wanted to do but were politically constrained from doing. Endpoint for demanding consequence-free behavior for all, it is. We’re about to see a realtime experiment re ‘broken windows policing policy’. Hypothesis: Hassling feral teens for small criminal infractions is/was rayyysiss oppression and it is completely unjustified and unnecessary. So no looting or rioting will result from abandoning even the pretense. *Maybe* it’s possible, and I’d like it to be, but… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Al from da Nort
6 months ago

That’s why Cuomo is essentially nutting himself every day. He’s got the power to do any damn thing he wants.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  De Beers Diamonds
6 months ago

While it has several races Singapore has one family/business, the Lee’s in charge and they are of one ethnicity. It can’t scale to the US . As much as I admire the late Mr. Lees willpower and acumen, he isn’t us and what’s right for that island is wrong for us. Is your freedom worth so little to you? While the Dissident Right isn’t Libertarian or especially like the Liberty movement it also isn’t That authoritarian either. Its Traditional more than anything. Authority is used to restore traditional; values like family stability and work when when technology makes alternatives impossible.… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
6 months ago

So what time is Tom Hanks’ Funeral?

Will CNN stagger their coverage to make sure they can fit in the Kevin Durant memorial as well?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Lol the twitter/insta vids of celebrity infection reeks of PR spin. Modern pravda. Interesting too, how they seem to have all been tested even though they were either asymptomatic or showed low-end symptoms that under normal circumstance would not warrant an appointment with the doc, let alone expedited testing. I know two people who have gone in with flu symptoms and have been denied testing by their docs because it would be a “waste of a test” because they were not in the “danger zone”. So cue Kenny Loggins and hopes and prayers that these American treasures of cinema beat… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

When we hit a wall like we just hit we should go back in time in the political mainstream. Who was the Jeremiah 30 or 40 years ago warning us of this and who are the false prophets since? Paleocon candidate Buchanan was that Jeremiah. So was Ross Perot. “ the giant sucking sound”. The false prophets have been Clinton who gave us NAFTA and fellatio in the White House. But it’s “ only sex” Bush who gave us forever wars for our best buds in the Middle East and a spy state back here. Obama who gave us racial… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

Incidentally, the Trump fortune started in the Yukon- Grandad Trump opened up a lodging and bordello for the loggers.

Not sure which one drew the customer traffic.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
6 months ago

Not sure it will work, either…but you were on a he11 of a roll. Why’d you stop?

John Smith
John Smith
Member
6 months ago

Good lord. No, the Saudis were not behind 911. Saying that Bin Laden represents Saudi Arabia, is like saying Hillary Clinton represents and speaks for you. Or Bernie Sanders. What followed 911 was just geopolitics of empire, managed with the usual competency of the idiots in charge. The mudflaps learned that our trappings of civilization are remarkably vulnerable. Bush’s hands were tied – massive numbers of muzzies had to die, lest they get the idea to do it again. It’s that simple. Judging by the lack of similar attacks – they got the message. And – if you fear a… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

It’s not that an immediate response was wrong, It is the massive reordering of American Life and the perpetual wars that went along with it. Smacking down Afghanistan was fine. The 20 years of occupation since are pointless, as are the abridgments of civil liberties

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Correct. That occupation allowed for juicy “reconstruction contracts” that allowed the usual suspects to make out like bandits.

The proper response would be to bomb them FORWARD into the Stone Age … and walk away…

Walt Jeffers
Walt Jeffers
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

Killing Muslims, specifically in that piece of dung Iraq had nothing to do with no more attacks on us. We diidnt even kill that many. Most of them died at the hands of their fell Muz. Bush’s hands weren’t tied. That ignorant dry drunk little smudge of a president put us into a war that cost trillions and did nothing for our security otherwise. He shoul have been impeached and tried criminally. I voted for him once so bad on me.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Walt Jeffers
6 months ago

The Taliban are Pashtun. Pashto didn’t plan 9-11 either. Bin Laden was living with his uncle Omar, a puppet of Pakistan, because the Sudanese had fleeced him penniless.

What for? Because they “hate our freedoms”? As if the bandit clans of the Northwest Frontier are not free, and freely defying any government that tries to muzzle them.

(PS- the very next day, a panicked bin Laden stated he had nothing to do with it.
He wasn’t lying- it was organized in Hamburg, Brooklyn, San Diego, Florida- and planned in D.C., Tel Aviv, New York, and Jackson Hole.)

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

Reading your comment is like stepping back in time for me. This big brained appeal to a status quo that no longer exists, can only happen when youre standing on the precipice of the full and final red pilled realization of exactly the kind of shit we are in. The fact is, all of the stuff you fear and more will happen anyway. The reality is that we are now in a struggle over who is going to hokd the levers of power or what theyll be capable of when the time comes. This is according to dissidents, which I… Read more »

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
Reply to  Irishfarmer
6 months ago

Rather than being sophisticated schemers laying out their evil plans, the PNAC document and the ensuing invasions was just a bunch of myopic Jews doing what they do. They more or less fell into it with Bush’s election and their incompetence was immediately apparent for anyone paying attention. The type of guys who write documents like PNAC, are the “big idea” guys who aren’t even aware of details let alone being able to consider what the details may be. The whole lot of them should have been arrested and tried in a tribunal for launching wars of aggression and crimes… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Irishfarmer
6 months ago

Nonsense. All empires rise and fall. Historically this is nothing new. The empires that preceded ours defended their interests until they grew too fat and lazy or incompetent to do so. This is merely history repeating. The dissidents are seriously delusional on geopolitics and will need to address this if they hope to have a hand in what follows. Yes, you WILL need some modicum of international trade. Yes, you WILL need to defend your business, your interests and your allies to achieve security and prosperity. Yes, you will need to kill mud flaps in their chit hole countries or… Read more »

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

Bush’s hands were tied – massive numbers of muzzies had to die
— Except for the additional ones that he let in on student visas to prove a point. Also, WTC7.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

Saying that Bin Laden represents Saudi Arabia, is like saying Hillary Clinton represents and speaks for you. Yet, because Hillary and Obama destroyed Libya, it’s perfectly fair to say “The US destroyed Libya.” Doesn’t matter that I disagreed with everything they did. The vast majority of 911 attackers were Saudis. They were Wahabists — the extremist Muslim sect that Saudi Arabia protects, funds and exports. It doesn’t matter one bit that Bin Laden wasn’t carrying official Saudi diplomatic credentials. When a non-government US actor does massive damage elsewhere in the world, be it Google, Blackwater, Merck or Halliburton, that generates… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

It’s ok, it is funny. The hound that didn’t bark.

Few know that the Saudi royals aren’t Arab.
They’re Donmeh Jew conversos from Thessalonia. Protected.

That’s why ibn Wahhab was such a mad, psychotic f**k, his followers took over both Arabia and Mesopotamian Iraq. Roth’s man in the Mideast, like Sassoon was in India’s Raj (where they grew the opium for China, the foundation of HSBC, world’s largest bank.)

Hoyos
Hoyos
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

Everybody’s Jews. Including the Arabs.

Both the House of Saud and Ibn Wahhab himself are Arabs Arabs from long established Arab tribes.

I think you’re confusing Jews with the devil at this point.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hoyos
6 months ago

No, gentlemen, your history is deficient.
Also, I disagree with the random walk theory of empire, and that “we” need to murder the wrong people in their home.*

But, the fault was mine. I was falling asleep, and foolishly distracted from Vizzini and the Zman’s point that the hijackers were Arab, with two Arabs from Egypt. (Copts are Egyptian.)

Other comments by me, in similar vein, are also a distraction. I’m trying to encompass a recurring pattern in disjointed soundbites, and that doesn’t respect the reader or our host.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

*The Mideast used to be open. American and European teenagers used to work in the bazaars, hijabs were something granma wore, jihadis were despised.
Riyadh, Tehran, Beirut were a combination of Paris and Las Vegas.
Damascus sheltered European refugees in camps during WWll.

Jay
Jay
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

I’ve been entirely confident I could smell sarcasm from a 100 yards. But this went straight past me.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Correct. They are double standards that go both ways…

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  John Smith
6 months ago

It didn’t dawn on me immediately that Z was referring to 9/11…I initially thought of the 1993 attack. Light bulb went off a few lines in.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
6 months ago

Lots and lots of meetings and calls the past few days. The small ray of hope I have is that if you actually discuss any of this in a one-on-one setting, in total privacy, everyone agrees the measures taken are pointless.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

I have had the same experience. People here think the official and public response is way overblown. My hope is that many people treat the shelter in place/social isolation thing the same way that 2A people treat any gun-grabbing legislation…with righteous disregard.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Marko
6 months ago

Much like a Trump 2016, anyone who questions the official narrative has gone quiet on social media.

Silent Majority indeed.

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

And their wives are probably all-in on the hysteria. At least that’s the pattern I’m seeing.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  ChetRollins
6 months ago

The more working-class the woman, the less she buys into the panic. This, like so much else wrong in our society, is a result of the AWFL (aka the Nice White Lady).

Talking with working class white women I know, they are all mad about how this is affecting both themselves and their sons & daughters. Most Nice White Ladies don’t know *anybody* that works as a waitress or a short order cook.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

I went to the store last night. Aside from not being restocked on a few items (ground beef, paper products), they had milk, eggs, fresh bread, baking supplies, etc. Lots of produce and bakery cookies and cakes as well. What is going on is madness. My current boss is super happy that the Ohio governor is closing everything down because he thinks it will ‘flatten the curve’. I’ve never lost my respect for someone that I thought I knew and respected faster.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  BadThinker
6 months ago

Opposite here – I popped in two stores to check for bread (I have plenty, just not the particular type my son prefers). Still totally cleaned out. Even all the pallets of water and other drinks that usually make the entrance of the store a maze were entirely gone. Saw a Han with a cart brim full of cans of veggies. I need nothing so bought nothing, but the stores’ shelves here in DFW are bare.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Well, you live in the shadow of the imperial capital where all the brain-damaged geniuses flock.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

So far, the majority of people I interact with are either up in the air or are bewildered at the insanity of everything. I’ve not talked to anyone who thinks this is the big one. Then again I’m not on Facebook, nor do I live in Lagos.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Newsome is talking martial law in California. He’s finally rounding up the homeless now that they are a threat to him, Tom Hanks, and Kevin Durant. Important people.

Now Trump is part of the Yang Gang.

We need political judo. The powers that be have been unleashing the vibrant upon us. Let’s start rumors that unleash the vibrant upon them. Make that alliance unsustainable.

Imagine a horde of vibrants raiding Malibu. Beautiful man beautiful. We can make that happen.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
6 months ago

Whiskey – “I’ve seen things you wouldn’t believe. Pleasure-barges on fire off the shore of Malibu, bright as tiki torches… I rode on the back decks of a wignat longship and watched Rob Reiner’s house glitter in the dark as its embers ignited Cher’s shake-shingle roof…”

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

We’re all ‘dreamers’ now 🙂

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Whiskey
6 months ago

Newsome had been planning that round up for month and decided not to let a good catastrophe go to waste I guess.

Good riddance. People who can’t function at all, not “can’t work” but are utterly useless piles of refuse infested with typhus or worse need to be wards of the state.

It would be nice if we could hang our way free of drug dealers and thus reduce the number of addicts but its not doable and this is at least a full measure.

The lesson here is power when used works.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Whiskey
6 months ago

We probably don’t have to start rumors. Newsome and company know bank robbers go where the money is. This part is delicious although my expectation is a rapid descent into totalitarianism.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Cabin fever brings out the wild in the dindu.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Coming from a land with a distinct lack of cabins will do that.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

Related! If you lock a forest Pygmy in a room for a week, he will die. Just curl up in a corner and expire.

A week in jail for a misdemeanor is a death sentence to them.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

All cities are at risk of becoming cauldrons of chaos, but Lagos could well become a war zone in the blink of an eye. When the first few shots are fired, stupid hormonal males will go ape in no time. It’s hardwired in the genes.

BTP
Member
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Lagos is an interesting case. I doubt the whites living there have many firearms and that those who do will feel emboldened to use them, given the likelihood that the state will lock them up. That could get interesting.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Offer to buy them a Kindle copy of the Harvard Classics. That should occupy their time and keep them out of trouble.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Zman, hope this doesn’t unnecessarily delay your departure from Lagos. Keep safe from the real threat, not the imaginary petri dish one.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

I am wondering if this is a manifestation of the Flyover Country v. Imperial Capital divide. It could also be bias selection on my part because I tend to avoid the crazy. That said, if you actually have a job in Flyover Country and are in the business of “doing something,” you have to regularly consider the unintended consequences.

Ann K.
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

It’s not influenza—it’s a coronavirus.

Shithead
Shithead
Reply to  thezman
5 months ago

Lol

All this scaremongering about the flu is ridiculous! Why, don’t you realise that if we cancel concerts and close schools, literally millions of people will die! The fields will be as though sewn with salt! When the aliens land, the smoking ruins of America will serve as testament to our folly!

It’s just a depression, bro

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

Keeping people in their neighborhoods under these conditions is giving them the time and need to interact with their neighbors. Add to that the decay in general trust in our leadership and the increased sense that we have been on the wrong track for some time. On top of all that we have the decline in the quality of the people who are now going to be given the task of organizing and selling these new arrangements. They will light more fuses than they put out.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Yves Vannes
6 months ago

Plus, we have 156 plants in the US making toilet paper, over 90% of our supply. At least we’ll be well stocked!

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

My wife waited in line at Wal-Mart yesterday and got one large pack of toilet paper and one roll of paper towels. I now know what true inner peace feels like.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

I am seeing the same splitting maul amygdala effect as all the other media-leftoid initiative: a dimensional split where two opposing realities exist in close proximity. Half the people are annoyed with the reaction and shutdown. The other half are still screeching that orange man didn’t shut things down soon enough. And we will become italy. Bodies will be everywhere. People who leave their homes are a threat to us all. Its actually scary to see how quickly the swollen amygdalae of the leftist hivemind becomes agitated and disorientated. Which makes sense given the threat detection function of the hindbrain.… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

This helps us sort the Stasi from the normies from the prospects. For anyone not invested in the status quo, this is a year of opportunity. This is well beyond “Change we can believe in.” This is “Change we can’t stop that doesn’t give a sh*t about what you believe.”

This is real. This is happening. And if it started as glowbug false flaggotry, it’s slipped the leash.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Today is the day the shit gets real. People are freaking out today, even as they held it together through yesterday.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  ConservativeFred
6 months ago

Similar experience. The enforced conformity only occurs in public (I don’t do social media and assume it is the same there). If the Cloud People impose the uber police state I fully expect, they will be ruling people who know they are monsters and liars. They have been ruling people who had doubts.

Vizzini
Member
6 months ago

So, the proposal to send out $1,000 checks to everyone has Politico interviewing Andrew Yang. “Woo! UBI! You were right!” And bemoaning that it is, so far, a one-time payment. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/03/17/coronavirus-universal-basic-income-andrew-yang-13492 A one-time payment would cost about $330 billion. It is an imperfect solution to a government-caused problem — forcefully putting people out of work. I agree that it is better to give the money to the people than to the banks, but they’ve already done that too, to the tune of $1.5 trillion, if I heard correctly. People understand that the government doesn’t have $1.5 trillion or $330 billion… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Students of the French Revolution will recall that socially, people were turning a bit all-against-all, driven by rumors and accusations. Then the government ran out of (real) money (but not the printed paper stuff), as a recession hit and tax revenues fell. They tried to tax everything that moved, and fund everything they could think of, and then the Revolution was off to the races.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Yup. I asked on another forum recently “In the US 2020 replay of the French revolution, who gets to play Marie Antoinette and who gets to play Robespierre?”

“Let them eat takeout!”

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Sort of OT, but does anyone know teapartydoc , who used to post quite frequently on the FRev?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Major Hoople
6 months ago

teapartydoc was one of the Greats here in the early Z-days.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

We are now in the golden age of MMT. They’ve wanted to do this for years. Never let a crisis go to waste – make it your own crisis.

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

All this money is pure fiat, so none is really real. All is based on faith in .gub and its iron fist. Take our dollar for your oil or get liberated. Decoupling dollar from gold to pure fiat needed something tangible, so we promised to be besties with Saud if they made sure everyone used dollar for oil purchases. The petro dollar was born, and politicians we freed from the shackles of basing the dollar on a barbaric relic (no, I’m not a gold bug). Yang’s UBI appeared to me as a soft landing for the jobs lost to automation.… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  JustaProle
6 months ago

so here is free money to pursue your interests

There is no such thing.

And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

A task for each of us: Get out, away from the city, away from the news, and the people, and the traffic, and the internet. Surround yourself with silence, punctuated by the clicking, chirping, whirring sounds of nature. Look up at the sky, and off to the horizon. Take deep breaths. Before they lock you in. And think about what is really necessary, and what you really need to enjoy another day. Stock up on what you need, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Get rid of what holds you back or takes you away from what really matters. Turn your… Read more »

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Hardly a rant, Dutch. More like the greatest sort of poetry: evocative and inspiring. Thanks. I’ve pencilled a drive into the outback for our next sunny day. Be well.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Three Dog Night expressed the same sentiment in the 1970 song “Out in the Country.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3gGn6t8Bog

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

Three Dog Night posting. I love it.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

I love it. I’m trying to impress this very same notion on my family. Today, after work, I’ll take them down to the shores of Lake Erie to hunt for beach glass.

I’ve mentioned it before, but I think there are real opportunities to open people’s eyes. Everyone here needs to ponder how to exploit them, how to make your voices heard beyond this small community. If people want to make demands, fine. Let us make ours.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Whole Earth Nationalism?

Take that, Pine Gang.

Member
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

I’d also add that this things really seems to even further accentuate (as if that was possible) the difference between Flyover Country and Shitlibstan. The craziest news stories are all coming from the coasts and Illinois. Girl Governor Barbie Pompom declares Total Double Super Lockdown, Mayor Skylar Genderbend of Hippytown, CA declares town a “gun and ammunition free zone”. And of course there’s always CA Governor Nuisance himself providing comic relief almost every day. Personally, I was already committed to moving away from the PNW to a saner area before anyone had heard of this virus. Then again I’m an… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Biggest problem there is that the machines do the work and guess what happens? The State fill in and the best people stop having kids.

US TFR sans immigration has been below replacement for 48 years and while divorce plays a large part, its more likely to be lack of well remunerated work.

High urban costs, finance based economics and a 50% decline in wages along with all the economies of scale mean inevitable population decline.

Eventually the Gods of the Copybook heading’s will indeed have their day but they’ll take modernity down with them.

Go long on buggy whips.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JustaProle
6 months ago

Trumpbuxx, beeches

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Recommendations from the Taiwanese government today included limiting the use of currency, especially coinage, and promoting the use of electronic payments. How long until the banks and big tech get our government to wag that dog?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

Oh yeah, KGB, I try not to touch cash now.
(I disinfect what I use for tolls and tips.)

All chip card. Even the $1.56 coffee.
Turns out the cashiers cringe at handling the dirty cash too, they thanked me.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

too many mouths. not enough productive people . this is the problem with any govt program for large populations, be it food, UBI, healthcare, etc.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  greyenlightenment
6 months ago

Most people have an IQ of 100 or so, maybe slightly less for Mestizos and Blacks. This isn’t enough to be useful enough in modernity for us to be willing to pay them enough to live on. That takes 120+ IQ And sure some will take trades, we don’t need than many tradesman if we build stuff correctly in the first place. Even after an immigration freeze and/or repatriation none of the options you have are good for anybody. You can #1 Pay people not to breed and allow your population to decline by half or more. #2 Go for… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Yang was clever marketing, planting the seed in the popular vernacular.

Broke: you break it, you buy it.

Woke: you break it, you OWN it.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

I never believed UBI was a sustainable economic system.

I just want to normalize politicians bribing voters directly for their votes, auction-style. Cut out the party middlemen.

A lot of praetorians retired on the proceeds of succession. Whitey deserves his share of bust-out America (since he paid for all of it) before the dindus loot the last shelves at Uncle Sucker’s Gibs Warehouse.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

I cannot even begin with how many whites I’ve encouraged to enroll on government programs. Future applicants may have to provide a picture, of course.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

$1,000? If they have $1,000 to hand out. You know they have 10x that they are not giving us!

Say, Mr. Fed, it would be a shame if something were to happen to that nice economy of yours. While yous at work all day printing money I will be just sittin here minding my own business with my fellas here. Have a nice day now.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

The Feds can mint near unlimited money and right now the risk of inflation is very low.

Normally all that extra cash sluicing through the system would risk heavy inflation but the global trend is to massive massive deflation so minting a few trillion is nothing.

It still won’t work. More than a month of two of this means the entire economy is tits up probably for many years to decades and when it does recover , consumerism is DOA other than prepping.

The lies will fly of course but trust your eyes.

bilejones
Member
6 months ago

I’m reminded of a phrase I first heard in the YUK during the Thatcher regime.
“The action is in the reaction” relating to IRA terrorism. Very little action is needed to achieve a great deal of reaction.

Dutch
Dutch
6 months ago

Our culture has been taught to subjectively judge, based on emotions, rather than objectively observe, based on logic. Such a way of thinking will take us to bad places we can’t even imagine now. C-virus is simply the catalyst, we were heading there quickly already, wherever it is that we end up. Buckle up.

Vegetius
Vegetius
6 months ago

If they do just start handing out money, those who can should hand some of it to people who can put it to uses that do not involve drama, stupidity or mere shitposting.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
6 months ago

I am accepting shitposting donations. Will super-troll your selected targets for Bitcoin. Special anti-Semitic discounts available – enter the coupon code SHTETL for 20% off.

TomA
TomA
6 months ago

All of this is accurate and non-trivial. The best analogy is an addict embarking on a terminal bender. If he’s fortunate, he hits a high bottom and rebounds. But more likely, he plunges into the abyss and removes himself from the gene pool. You only need to look at the makeup of Congress to see where we are headed. Fully half of our representatives are functionally morons or covert criminal grifters. There are no adults in the room any longer. Observe, analyze, predict, and prepare. Then Simple, Secret, Solo, and Spontaneous. It’s the only way to be sure.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

I grew up near DC. One of my childhood friend’s dad was a typical government consultant. By the 1980s, I was in my 20s, befriended the Dad and rented a room at his house. He was quite eccentric himself, but somebody with a Masters in EE from MIT is no dummy either. He once said something like “Half of the staff [at EPA, where he’d consulted] are certifiably mentally ill.” That was 35 years ago! Does this reflect the entire Federal workforce? Maybe. I doubt it’s gotten any better.

David_Wright
Member
6 months ago

Ironic that with all of Trump’s battle with the deep state that they probably will be empowered even more now.

Now we also have to endure the schooling and guiding hands of our betters like Ivanka showing mothers how to reacquaint themselves with their children. Mostly people who will be financially unaffected by all of this.

Good interview with Tucker if you can stand the weasel who is interviewing him :
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/tucker-carlson-on-how-he-brought-coronavirus-message-to-mar-a-lago

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

The argument that “if you battle with the king, be sure you kill the king” is often applied to Trump. It can also be applied to Trump’s battle against “king” deep state. Trump has not come close to killing the king (not for lack of trying).

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
Reply to  David_Wright
6 months ago

Great interview. Thanks for linking it.

Epaminondas
Member
6 months ago

Once our ruling classes decided that being nice to minorities was more important than freedom of association, the handwriting was on the wall. Welcome to your new statist utopia.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Epaminondas
6 months ago

So true. From that point on “community” meant white submission to Progress.

If this thing drags on and the noose tightens, the urban blue bugs are going to see the ROI of all those years of nice white lady routine. They will get to see, finally, “who we are”.

Remember, white mans rules are for whites. White man’s nice things and dead presidents on the other hand…

Indispensable_Destiny
Member
6 months ago

The frightening aspect of the surveillance state is that few remember that it arose after 9/11. Perhaps if more did, they could ask if we still need this intrusion, not that our uniparty in Washington would listen. Much the same with endless war. Weren’t we fighting in the Middle East and Afghanistan because we always fought there? Certainly we’ve always been at war with Eastasia. As for death rates from the coronavirus, we simply do not have enough deaths and recoveries to make a valid estimate. This is why there are range estimates all over the map. When all is… Read more »

Member
6 months ago

This month-long lock-down, and that is what they are planning, by the way, will bring with it a massive re-ordering of society.

Unfortunately, I think this is a wildly optimistic take. They fully intend to extend the lockdown all the way ’til November and the election. If they can’t panic enough people into realizing Orange Man Bad and voting him out of office, then they’ll close polling stations in certain areas and/or call for “online” voting or some such that will allow them to cheat.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  RDittmar
6 months ago

Cancel the elections months early?

I fear you’re right, you may be right.
Then the Revolution is already accomplished.

“Defense Production Act”?
Are they kicking in the NDAA?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  RDittmar
6 months ago

This will not happen. This is Q stuff.

Totally rigging a US election is much easier than all this. If this started as some kind of false-flag op, it’s gone wrong for Them as well as Us.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

All those ballots found in car trunks weeks after the election. . . . You’ll notice neither party ever challenges the “chain of custody” of said ballots. No one is ever called to account, let alone prosecuted. It’s theater.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

It is sort of a “false flag,” although that isn’t a perfect description for what has been done. It’s far more than simple exploitation of a crisis since the virus is quite real albeit not the killer or threat claimed. But there was and is extraordinary coordination among the propaganda outlets, the Chinese, and the Cloud People’s political apparatchiks. People avoid the word “conspiracy” for obvious reasons, but sometimes it is a conspiracy, straight up. My guess is the Empire’s vaunted 17 intelligence services have known of the virus since late November/early December, kept that tight to the vest, consulted… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  RDittmar
6 months ago

We’re already seeing breadlines…if this goes beyond 30 days, look out for riots.

Calvin
Calvin
6 months ago

I was warning that the government should stock up on two months’ masks and quarantine all foreign travelers for three weeks. But that would be disruptive, you see. We sewed the wind, and now we shall reap the whirlwind.

Calvin
Calvin
Reply to  Calvin
6 months ago

**sowed, damn it

Member
Reply to  Calvin
6 months ago

Sown?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JMDGT
6 months ago

I don’t knew.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Calvin
6 months ago

Freudian slip. We “sewed it” too. 🙂

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calvin
6 months ago

“The whirlwind” being the 19th Amendment?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Calvin
6 months ago

As far as masks are concerned, the military just announced they are releasing 5M from their emergency stocks. It’s what I said a couple days ago. The military has tremendous reserve wrt medical facility. All are being directed back to US immediate needs. We just need to stay out of hot conflict for awhile.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
6 months ago

I’ll be frank, not bashing anybody. The majority who will obey this are not long for this world. In a decade, the sheep will be in the decided minority. This will not endure. It is the last desperate attempt to maintain control by a ruling class that’s on the outs.

So stay optimistic, don’t panic, get prepared, and take note of who is panicking. That’s who you have to worry about.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride. You might as well get excited about it because it’s coming whether or not you want it to.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

Absolutely agree. Monitor those around you. Panicky folk should be noted. In a pinch they will pull you down like a drowning man. Reach out to those who complement you.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
6 months ago

Now that I’m thinking, it might not be the last attempt. Things could get a lot darker, but let’s hope sanity prevails and the guilty parties are brought to justice. It’s time for perp walks. Getting sick of this.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Completely and totally not related to today’s topic in any way, shape, or form…

Anyone know a good book about the Salem Witch Trials?

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

I don’t know of any. But if you can find one, it would be interesting to pair it with a reading/viewing of The Crucible.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Vegetius
6 months ago

Oh yes, “The Crucible” by Arthur Miller. I wonder what his background was? Let’s see:

“Miller was born on October 17, 1915, in Harlem, in the New York City borough of Manhattan, the second of three children of Augusta (Barnett) and Isidore Miller. Miller was Jewish,[4][5][6] and of Polish Jewish descent.“

Really makes you think

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  MemeWarVet
6 months ago

Miller’s Crucible was an attack on Joe McCarthy’s observations about communists in our government. Miller was protecting his tribe.

BTP
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
6 months ago

I recall way back in college, a discussion of that play in class. Play is really about the Communist hunts in the 50s, blah blah. I said, “But it turns out the State Department really was crawling’ with commies, though, right?”

Hilarity ensued.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  BTP
6 months ago

Probably the last period in American history where being wrong and anti-American had some consequences. The elites and their Hollywood cadre will never let that happen again.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

McCarthy came close to ripping the covers back. I’ve thought for a while that you could argue that the last third or so of the century in the U.S. was a uniparty determination to never let anybody get that close again.

Member
6 months ago

Most of the people ruling us have never progressed past the High School phase of intellectual and emotional maturity. At best they remain the scolding pompous ass pedantic parent with all the good intentions they need to totally f¥€£ us all up. Bless their filthy stinking rotten hearts. Bastards.

Jay
Jay
6 months ago

“ After the Saudi attacks on the World Trade Center buildings…”

Stopped right there.

vmax71
Reply to  Jay
6 months ago

Hi Z man:
I was curious about this as well. I always felt the Saudi 19 were a bunch of pigeons recruited by Iran, the real villain behind the attacks. For 15 years I blamed Saudi Arabia. Now, not so much.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  vmax71
6 months ago

Fuck off back to whichever Yidz r uz site you came from.

vmax71
Reply to  bilejones
6 months ago

what the hell was that? I am genuinely curious. What did I say to elicit such venom?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  vmax71
6 months ago

vmax, that “recruited by Iran, the real villain” had to be satire.
Sh*tposter level 4 unlocked!

That, or we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

vmax71
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

the Iran thing was a joke…the jist of the post was the 19 saudi pigeons….

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  vmax71
6 months ago

Iran recruiting Saudis.
You wicked, wicked thing!

Yet, that’s what they’re trying with the whole “Iran is the #1 state sponsor of terror!” claptrap, wasn’t it.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Jay
6 months ago

Let it slide – it’s tangential to the point of the post. We can’t do a two-page “Dancing Shlomos” primer for every post. A lot of guys haven’t reached that level yet.

Donny Corleone
Donny Corleone
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Exile, that comment killed me. I’m wiping tears as I type this.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Donny Corleone
6 months ago

I need to staple Exile’s comment to my forehead.

Some Guy
Some Guy
6 months ago

Bernie “No refunds” Sanders is now reassessing his primary campaign. Seems interesting that despite the cries from Reddit and hipster coffee shops everywhere, Medicare for all was soundly rejected by the Democrats.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Some Guy
6 months ago

“Bernie “No refunds” Sanders” *snicker*

“despite the cries from Reddit and hipster coffee shops everywhere” *guffaw*

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Some Guy
6 months ago

Bruthas already get free health care. Bernie giving free shit to wipipo means us niggaz get less.

Some Guy
Some Guy
6 months ago

Bernie “No refunds” Sanders is now reassessing his campaign after his miserable defeat last night. Even with the pandemic going on, Democrats have soundly rejected Medicare For All and other far left bromides. Puts a crimp in the nazbol narratives on the right too.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Precisely. Pretending that most people vote based on policies is the same as pretending they vote based on facts. It’s emotion and media-driven and racially-based, all the way down.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Some Guy
6 months ago

There are no meaningful policy differences between any of the Democratic candidates.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Tulsi Gabbard is for ending the ME wars, for which she’s been ghosted by her own party and every media outlet except Tu-Ca. That’s one meaningful difference that neither party will tolerate.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

As you noted, what ties all of these boogeymen together is that they are unseen and, often, not even defined.

Terrorism, extremism, racism, white privilege and, now, a virus.

There’s a mystical quality to it all. When your enemy is nowhere but everywhere, you can demand any authority to fight it. Even better, the enemy can never be defeated so TPTB will never lose their jobs or their power.

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

Brilliantly put and very true. After all, the war on poverty, the first of the ineffables, marches on, 55 years later. And thus the war on microbes shall never end. When there is no more blood in that turnip, the war on… fnord?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

Exactly. I am waiting for TPTB to tie in Climate Change. These pandemics, like hurricanes, “are happening more often and are more severe…”. So its time to change everything!

Of course the cogdis of overpopulation and human impact on climate coupled with a natural eh hem, “solution”, to too many old (white) people, is awkward, but certainly manageable to those who celebrate abortion as the most sacred human right.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

I expect you won’t have to wait very long on the Climate Change tie in. Afterall, the science is settled, just like it is for CV19 – dontchaknow.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Screwtape
6 months ago

I think it’s done already. Been hearing about diseases once thought eradicated returning due to warmer climate—Global Warming. For example, malaria and West Nile virus in Southern US. How difficult will it be to extend to CoronaChan?

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

And now for the bad news. After witnessing what the FBI/CIA are capable of, does anyone doubt our overlords’ capacity to introduce viruses into the general population in order to maintain their control?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DLS
6 months ago

DLS, the number of biosafety level 4 labs has near doubled after 9-11, from 30 to 57.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
6 months ago

The grocery stores are still being emptied here in the high desert of Los Angeles county, even the local AF bases are having the same problem.

Trump and those “doctors” managed to created this mass panic/ and have managed to destroy the economy in the process.

The stupidity on parade is just astounding.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Rwc1963
6 months ago

you mean that CDC speech last week or so and travel ban? That was bad optics in retrospect. The ban did nothing but make ppl scared. Too late for bans. The window was in feb.,

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Rwc1963
6 months ago

AZ grocery store update—shelves even more empty than on Sunday. Good news, oldsters get to shop at 5 in the morning and be disappointed before everyone else. 😉 So what is gone—all paper products, all noodle products (like for spaghetti), can goods like beans and such pretty much gone, no rice, no hand soap, bleach, or other disinfectants. So what is newly gone—milk, eggs, lots of bread products (the kind from commercial bakery, loaded with preservative), chicken, and now hot dogs. Cuts of beef stocked as most markets have butcher shops. Milk gone is particularly disheartening as today there are… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

I scored some bananas at Wal Mart yesterday afternoon, showed them to my wife, calling them “victory bananas”. Then mentioned that this was all so third-world. Will we get to go back, or is the really spectacular grocery store thing with full shelves and nice presentations permanently over?

Severian
6 months ago

All due respect, but your column might be on a bit higher level than lots of people out there can grasp. When I say “It’s just the flu, bro” — and I do, a lot, when speaking with people — I’m fully aware that the freakout will have horrible consequences. It’s a good, short, pithy way of putting the dilemma to them, of highlighting the freaky nature of the freakout: Do you really want tanks rolling down Main Street to “fight” the 97%-of-people-completely-recover-virus? Sadly, as it turns out, a lot of people really, really do, because they somehow think that… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

I know, and I agree. Those people kill me. But those people are unreachable anyway. The brave new police state will come as a complete shock to them, like it will to my former buddy.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Severian
6 months ago

Severian, the police state will not come as a shock—it will come with applause. That’s have it always happens. But your sentiment is right on.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

To quote from that tremendous Berger column linked here yesterday, people crave totalitarianism. “It’s just the flu, bro” simply means submission. And many if not most are ready to submit.

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  Severian
6 months ago

People of a certain age need to come to terms with the fact that they will die one day. To risk impoverishing millions of families with young children by possibly throwing the World into a depression in an attempt to give the Grim Reaper the slip for a few more years is unconscionable. I am in my 50s by the way so I am getting up there.

greyenlightenment
6 months ago

The biggest idiots are those who say it will be over in a month , using China and SK as examples. As if anyone has any way of knowing. This could crest in a few days at 10-15k US cases or at 100-300|+ million. who the hell knows. The stock market is acting like this is gonna be worse than a one-month affair.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  greyenlightenment
6 months ago

Ah yes, as everyone knows Wall Street has an impeccable record when it comes to eschewing unfounded panic.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
6 months ago

Perfect. It is easy to describe the current moment as “dangerous,” and that grossly understates things. This is past an inflection point and now permanently dangerous. Remember the world prior to this month because you never again will live in it. The whole last four years has been a buildup to imposition of a totalitarian state. Multiply what we have seen by a thousand and that’s what the former West will resemble in the next year or two. It’s a solid bet we won’t be able to exchange ideas even here before the end of year; “our” Congress just reauthorized… Read more »

Trojan House
Trojan House
6 months ago

If only we had listened to “it’s just the flu, bro” people at the beginning we wouldn’t be in the mess that is coming.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Trojan House
6 months ago

we can consider a scenario in which cases are never diagnosed and reported, so what are covid19 deaths would be attributed to the flu or some other mystery ailment that disproportionaly kills old people, Italians, Iranians, and Chinese . At some point, some people would demand an explanation as to why a bunch of people in a nursing home suddenly died of repository failure. Suppressing the truth can help stave off panic and form a consequentialist perspective justified, yet people want to know the truth too,and eventually it gets out in one form or another.You would have to somehow prevent… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
6 months ago

Z predicts a “massive re-ordering of society” and offers two specifics:

1. The state will have the power to “shutter businesses, lock people in their homes” and “every flu season will result in school closures and demands for people to self-isolate.”
2. “massive government intervention in the economy.”

Commenter Chet predicts “the main fallout for this is Big Tech will gain more moral authority to expunge resources deemed a threat to public safety.”

Any other specific predictions? Can we sharpen Z’s “massive government intervention in the economy?”

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  LineInTheSand
6 months ago

We will all be tracked, 24/7, and will be told when we can go to work and when we can’t leave the house.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  LineInTheSand
6 months ago

Big tech derives $ from ads. Econ collapse = less ad spend =weaker tech companies

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
6 months ago

I see this month as us switching from a decades long slow motion decline to a rapid decline. The real decline will be in the purchasing power of the dollar over the next few years. Also, the people who have created this depression, and it will be a depression, are sheltered people who make good money and minimally have the ObamaCare gold plan. No American alive today has really had to deal with a real depression, sure some were kids back then, but few understand the consequences. My neighbors are skipping their housekeeping this month because they don’t want them… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  JR Wirth
6 months ago

JR, it’s bi-partisan. No matter which party loses any given election, the winners are always the same: Wall Street/MIC/Bankers. http://archive.ph/zJLAs

Severian
6 months ago

On a lighter note, for those of us who were worried that Trump wasn’t going to become a dictator…. here’s his big chance! Really puts the Wuhan Flu in perspective, don’t it. How much of a police state are you willing to tolerate, if it means Nancy Pelosi et al get sent down to the countryside for reeducation? (Which will never happen, of course, but we can all write some fanfic while we’re in quarantine).

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Severian
6 months ago

I still think God saw the Super Bowl halftime show and, seeing no redeeming value left, pulled the plug on us.

ToM
ToM
6 months ago

So it turns out Communism was inevitable after all…

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
6 months ago

5.7 earthquake in Salt Lake, Wasatch fault system, depth 7 miles in loose unconsolidated old lake bed and alluvium waste from nearby Wasatch range. EQ waves slow down in unconsolidated soils and gain vertical acceleration. Lots of aftershocks. Gas and water main breaks, brick off buildings, damage at airport, trailers off foundations. I’m 4 hours from Salt Lake and no effect here, and am experienced with years of California earthquakes. The statue of the Angel Moroni on top of the Salt Lake Temple dropped his trumpet! Mormons in this state will lose their collective minds! Already talking about signs and… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

the Angel Moroni

Always thought that name was a little too obvious.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

Z…..you are sanity in the midst of the destruction of our culture and economy.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

The earthquake will kill more people in the 801 area code than WuFlu will

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

Range, isn’t that like the Seventh Sign or something?

Preppers – what’s a good way to filter blood from water? Any good locust or frog repellents I can hoard?

Xtians – does bleach deconsecrate holy water?

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Locust and frogs are good eatin’. Just scoop em up. Fry the locusts whole and just the legs for the frogs!

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

I love frog legs. Bullfrogs are invasive in CA, so no limits, no season.

Haven’t tried the grasshoppers. Les Stroud says they’re tasty.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Tarantula, anyone?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Taran…. oh no, Exile’s been shopping at the wet market again.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Suggestion, but no personal recommendation?

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

If Survivor Man says so . . . ( but I prefer to never find out.)

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

I don’t think I could get past the appearance or crunch. Even knowing they don’t bite or sting, they’ve always made me uneasy – like crickets. Sorry, I’d rather eat grass. When do we start hearing about everyone’s weight loss on the Corona diet?

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Those damned crickets and grass would set my whole body to hurting. I’ll stick with large ruminants, thanks!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Range Front Fault
6 months ago

Some how all this talking of eating bugs leaves me cold, having actually seen how seriously some of the Lefty climate change folk actually talk about changing to this diet so we no longer eat beef products.

Scary part is they would use such as supplements/mixtures, rather than straight eating of crispy little things with visible wings and legs—and our capitalistic system will give it to us in a NY second when they sense a buck to be made.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
6 months ago

Insects are not kosher, so some will be exempt from the Helot Diet.

It’s not humiliating, it’s liberating!

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

“Insects are not kosher”
You just have to cut their tiny throats with the appropriate tiny knives.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Exile
6 months ago

Let’s see…hmmm….oh, don’t forget famine, storms-crappy weather, fire, the Jews will rise to be a great nation and they will believe in Jesus. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Diversity Heretic
Member
6 months ago

Here in France you can’t leave your home without a certificat stating the reason why you’re out. Along the lines of these Z-man post, I doubt that the French authorities will want to give up that kind of “stop, question, and force citizens to show their papers” kind of authority. They’ve even closed the churches! I suspect, however, that there will be very little enforcement of these requirements in African and Arab neighborhoods: these people are unlikely to submit meekly to interrogation and police probably don’t want violent confrontations, especially when they know the government is on the side of… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

I forgot to add that they’re postponing the second round of municipal elections from late March until June.

And I haven’t see one sign that any of this is being debated in the National Assembly–we’re just living under the ukases of a drama-queen dictator.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

I also suspect that there will be very little enforcement of these requirements in African and Arab neighborhoods – because the French secretly hope they all get sick and die.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

As someone pointed out yesterday, oppression of the law-abiding and turning a blind eye to criminality is a hallmark of anarcho-tyranny. Many of us are rethinking where we chose to live.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

How would you know if the churches are closed?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

They closed the churches they didn’t burn down?
There sure have been a lot of grand old cathedrals spontaneously catching fire in the last two years.

500, 700, a 1000 years, then poof! for no reason at all. White people don’t build to last.

hokkoda
Member
6 months ago

I would submit for consideration that that this “crisis” is really something all of us here probably have hoped for. A) It’s relatively benign. Even in Italy, which is being portrayed by the media as “horrific” and “a nightmare”, there are only 27,000 cases in a country of 60,000,000 which is (outside of Japan) perhaps the largest senior citizens home in the world. Therefore, any consequences in real numbers are quite low. B) The media has lost whatever grips on reality it once had. Recall this all began during the fake impeachment, which greatly damaged media credibility. This “crisis” serves… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

Yes to optimism as the means to enhance your survival prospects. Cowering indoors and whining is not going to improve the species. Better to maximize your preparedness and harden whatever shelter you call home (or better yet, relocate to a more secure haven).

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

Those who can, will. I bought more ammunition, though every day is a good day for that, and made sure we were stocked with the right kinds of supplies. Not everyone has a bug-out location. I think we’ll see a couple of weeks of more-or-less voluntary cooperation by the public. Once the cases peak (probably early April) we’ll have a week or two of watching cases ramp down, and things should get back to normal by late April or early May.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

That’s my guess as well. We’ve become so soft and hive-minded that people leap into exaggerated fear as a tonic for boredom and low self-esteem. When the final stats for 2020 are written, it will be shown that more people died of regular flu than COVID, and both will be less than automobile accident carnage.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

TomA, Frustrating thing is (as has been noted) that being wrong and crashing the economy will bring no consequences. The same song and dance response they always give will be—if wrong, “See, our extreme measures stopped a catastrophic event”—if right, “You, should have listened to us sooner”.

Tails you win, heads you lose. And we accept such duplicitous positioning every damn time.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

How many Presidents can run on saving MILLIONS of lives?

I’m pretty sure Trump has seen Ghostbusters.

Dr. Peter Venkman: If I’m wrong, nothing happens! We go to jail – peacefully, quietly. We’ll enjoy it! But if I’m *right*, and we *can* stop this thing… Lenny, you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
6 months ago

Venkman was right.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

I don’t think we’ll see victory on every one of these points, but we’ve got to push for as many as possible.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  KGB
6 months ago

This moves the ball decidedly in our direction.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

I subscribe to Z’s blackpillish outcome, but do acknowledge these also are a possible outcomes. In fact, if it doesn’t pan out like I expect it will, this polar opposite outcome is the most likely. The odds are something like 70/30 and that nearly one-third is not insignificant. There won’t be a splitting the baby result.

eta: Obviously the Ruling Class will have to yield on China. If they do not, then the odds change in the optimistic direction. I may be assuming more rationality on their part than is warranted.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
6 months ago

China is done, whether they yield or not. It is already a foregone conclusion that national-security related manufacturing is going to be coming back to US soil. The Chinese cemented that when they threatened to withhold medicines a couple weeks back. You can see it in Trump’s eyes when he goes out of his way to call it “the Chinese virus”. They are so effed, and I’m going to love it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

We must be cautious as to avoid surrogates taking China’s place. I could care less if Vietnam makes my shirts or lawn ornaments, but moving essential industry there is another matter.

China 30 years ago made jack s*^t which we cared about. Already South East Asia has a large industry making our semiconductors and disk drives. They of course want more—that’s where the future is—Vietnam sells lots of plant pots in the local Costco. Keep it that way. They want first world manufacturer status, let them invent their own products.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

Hok; Outstanding survey. I agree that any and all of the positive developments you list is possible, even likely. We should all work to make them happen. I’d add one: E.1 Leverage: Learn that it can be poisonous to your prosperity, particularly during a panic. The older you are the less leverage you should have in your life. This means, aspire to have your home mortgage paid before you retire. Work to get your small biz to ‘cashflow’ (gozinta’s = gozouta’s). The old rule of thumb for investments was that the % of fixed assets in your portfolio should equal… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Al from da Nort
6 months ago

Watch out, those MLP and REIT funds consist of highly leveraged assets; they get one into the same problem one does by carrying a lot of personal debt, it’s just invisible on that account statement.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutch
6 months ago

Good detail, thanks much Al d’North.
Is an MLP like an oil conservatorship?

(fixed income on an established producer, versus a penny stock on a wildcatter drilling pilot holes)

Shoot. This year I was hoping to pay off the credit lines, my buffer and lifesaver, and get to gozinta. Next year, the nickel slots at last!

Same as every year, they pull another fast one.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Al from da Nort
6 months ago

Yep, I agree. Much like the housing crisis in 2008…people realized it’s not such a hot idea to use your house like an ATM machine and borrow far more than you can afford.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  hokkoda
6 months ago

Hokkoda, I was thinking this might break their secret superpower, the power of Storytelling.

They’ve lied one too many times, and now are lost in the maze of their own lies.

Good, good stuff, H.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

(Side note: “portfolios”-
Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaha.
Boomers, go figure)

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

Not a boomer, but a funny point!

jwm
jwm
6 months ago

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