Market Report Week Three

The market was very crowded today, suggesting that either the effects of the first round of hoarding have worn off or people fear the worst is yet to come. In the initial round of hoarding, people probably loaded up for two or three weeks. Therefore stocks could be running low now. Perhaps there is a second wave of hoarding that follows the first for some people. Alternatively, the news could be re-frightening people with prophesies about the real doom and gloom really coming this time.

The number of masks were much higher than last week. It was not just blacks and Asians wearing them. About a third of the people had something on their face, like a bandanna, medical grade mask or the stuff workmen use. Probably forty percent of this group was kitted out like they were going to rob the payroll stage coach traveling down from Albany. For some reason they did not look as silly as the people with the dust masks on their faces, but they did look foolish.

Masks probably have some impact on slowing the spread of an infection, but nowhere near what the alarmist claim. Life is a not a sterile environment and people are not wearing those masks 24-hours per day. What they are doing with those masks is reducing the number of times they touch a foreign object, like the carts at the market, and then touching their faces. Unless they are sanitizing every surface and then washing their hands vigorously, they are not avoiding the bug.

The market itself was completely stocked, except for cleaning supplies, which probably says we have moved from the fear of not having snacks phase to the people have been cooped up in their homes too long phase. The homes of America have probably never been so clean. At some point that will get tiresome and the demand for household cleaners will return to normal. People respond to what they see. If the promised bodies in the streets do not show up soon, the great cleaning frenzy quickly ends.

The lines at checkout were very long, about 40-minutes. The procedure was the same as last week, but the higher volume and the lower number of checkout people made for a long wait. The store has started refusing the grimy canvas sacks the anointed have been using to display their love of Gaia. It turns out that the nation’s octogenarians are more important than climate change. It also means these dingbat moralizers will have to find a new way to display their virtue. Perhaps they should wear masks.

In front of me in the checkout line was a women probably in her mid-30’s. In front of her was a pudgy guy in his mid-40’s. Let’s call her “Desert” and he can be “Thirsty” in this little drama. Thirsty kept trying to strike up a conversation with Desert. She was having none of it, doing the thing women do in clubs to blow off some loser. She kept responding with short answers that would not naturally elicit a response. Poor old Thirsty kept trying, which is why he is so thirsty.

Eventually, Desert turned around to me and started making small talk. Maybe under different circumstance I would have been flattered, but I hate standing in lines and I had just watched her shoot down poor Thirsty. I decided to display my power level by doing to her what she had just done to the poor loser in front of her. Of course, this only intensified her interest in me. I’ve never been much for game, but it was a nice reminder that the fundamentals of human nature never change, not even in a panic.

Watching a fashionable sort try to hide her grimy canvas sacks, now that they are no longer a positive moral signifier, I thought about the alarmists. The HBD crowd has gone totally mad over this virus. Any deviation from their extreme position on this is now treated as heresy. There’s a UFO cult quality to what’s going on with those people, as if the coronavirus is a savior, rather than a fact of nature. The slightest bit of skepticism is treated as if the person is denying there is such a thing as a virus

One reason for this is a lack of confidence. Fanatics tend to attack the less fanatical because the mere presence of them calls into question their extreme position on whatever is the main belief. On the one hand, there is status that comes from staking out the most pure position. On the other hand, those who are unwilling to following along call into question that extreme position. They must, therefore, be anathematized and discredited to maintain the extreme position.

There is a good chance we will get to see a large scale reenactment of what was described in When Prophecy Fails. We are probably at the 12:05 mark of that process, maybe the 12:10 mark. We were supposed to have hundreds of thousands in the hospital at this point and it is twenty thousand. With the fever abating in Europe and the economy in ruins, the political class will be lifting the siege in the next couple of weeks. That’s when the clock strikes 4:00 AM for the great virus scare.


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KGB
KGB
7 months ago

“During these uncertain times…” What is it with our oh-so-concerned corporations and their Madison Avenue (((carnival barkers)))? Every commercial on TV now includes a requisite allusion to the Wuflu, but I have yet to hear a single one of them speak of it directly. What is the underlying psychological process at work here?

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

They want to sell you a narrative that won’t sell itself.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

This has been selling itself though, and I doubt they want to induce more fear, this has been horrible for them. They are losing tons of money and their offshoring has caused mask and ventilator shortages and a lack of industrial capacity to create them. This virus thing has only been a detriment to the interests of globohomo. The debt fueled lifestyle they want us to have is being revealed as very unhealthy when put under even a little bit of pressure. These events have not played out in a way that is in our ruler’s interests at all. This… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

This very well may be the greatest self-own in history. Screwing over Joe Sixpack for fun and profit is one thing but handing him a loaded revolver and asking him to use it wisely is another. This will be epic and is not turning out as intended.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

Nice Fash, the clear and growing clarity that the systems keeping civilization chugging are quite fragile. All apparent despite stacks of bodies in the street.

On the consumer end, I wonder if finally seeing Oz will wake people up to the reality that all the silly things we seems to be forced to respect like tranny rights, extreme food cults, homosexual tyranny (er, I mean rights) etc… are just all piffle that a decadent faux-wealthy society can afford and not the stuff tethered to reality.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

I am at a hotel so as I do when at hotels, turned on the tell a vision. Madison has adapted all the commercials to the invisible death and the station promos are having favored stars do some soothe talk about doing their part. A couple of the ads drop this: “…the new normal.” Which is where all this is going. Social engineering a new normal. Keep your distance; keep shopping.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
7 months ago

If the restaurants ever reopen, seating for 50 will now mean seating for 6, with everyone spaced a table or booth apart.

We already have Soviet-style waiting lines, all in a trice, at a moment’s notice.
The elite vultures have Cloward-Pivened the entire First World.

The whole damm world depends on getting a crowd together.
How is this going to work out?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Its not. I don’t think the elite meant to do this much damage or had some sinister plan beyond “grab all the power you can.” which is what nearly anyone in government will do at any possible occasion. Its also not that great to be rich with a restive population and no TP for basically anyone. Its like stacking dry tinder everywhere in a forest. One little spark and foosh. As it is maintaining the US or less so Europe in any functional form will require a big economy and basically ending most global commerce means you can’t do that.… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Screwtape
7 months ago

I still don’t like the first “New Normal” we got after those 9/11. Does this mean the plan is for a New Normal every 20 years? At that rate it should be illegal to go to the bathroom without a note from your governor by 2060.

Edit: Nah, they’ll keep shortening the intervals. Unauthorized bathroom time will be illegal by 2028 at the latest.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

We’ve routinely been getting “New Normals” since 1964, with each “New Normal” worse than the previous one. This is progress…

Our New Normal
Our New Normal
Reply to  Screwtape
7 months ago

“The new normal” is a very revealing phrase… starting with WWII but continuing through the “war or terror,” various tyrannical regulations and procedures that were supposed to be “temporary” remained on the books long after the crisis had passed. Even if they eventually choose to release us from house arrest, you can bet that some of the “emergency” procedures they established during this manufactured crisis will remain permanent. Big city police departments, for example, will never go back to enforcing the law against “nonviolent” crime. Jails will continue to be emptied and eventually outlawed. Gun confiscation will only accelerate. The… Read more »

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

I haven’t watched a commercial in years, but I think it really doesn’t matter much what content a commercial contains. What matters is memorability and somehow getting the name of your brand to stick inside the head of whoever watches it. People like familiarity, gravitate to it. As to why they wouldn’t mention coronavirus directly… absolutely no clue. If I thought these people were capable of logical thought I would say they don’t want to associate the emotion of fear with their product, but then “in these uncertain times” does that anyway so… no idea. It’s probably because of something… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

I think there really is no need to mention CV by name. This “story” is so utterly ubiquitous that CV is understood without it being mentioned.

Severian
7 months ago

When Prophecy Fails is required reading in Our Thing.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Severian
7 months ago

When Wish Replaces Thought is pretty good too, from a slightly different angle.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Severian
7 months ago

Zman Book Club

MikeatMikedotMike
MikeatMikedotMike
7 months ago

“With the fever abating in Europe and the economy in ruins, the political class will be lifting the siege in the next couple of weeks. That’s when the clock strikes 4:00 AM for the great virus scare.”

I hope you are right.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  MikeatMikedotMike
7 months ago

I hope you are right too. But I am afraid this hysteria has momentum. Too many powerful people seem to have a deep investment in this and it would seem difficult for them to do a walk back.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

I agree – from what I’ve observed, we are getting past the point where facts matter. This has become a religious matter for the Corona Cultists.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

In a chat group, I suggested removing all restrictions on travel, worship, and open all businesses. I was curious to see the reaction. That position remains “worse than Hitler.” The public at large is not ready for the siege to end.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
7 months ago

Of course they’re not ready! This farce is grand entertainment for people with bland, meaningless lives, much as are the Super Bowl, Game of Thrones and Star Wars. CV is now part of the pop culture; it is cultural lingua franca. And people just can’t refresh the death toll stats often enough.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

The ghouls love their virus porn.

Andy Texan
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Moral preening and virtue signaling has a new definition.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

The Chinese Flu has its upsides. Normies are starting to talk about how the plague comes from the Chinamen, who eat disgusting things, and noticing how China manufactures all our medical equipment, and hey, everything else, too! Globalism is going to take it in the pants from this one. A little Boomer Remover and mortgage market bottoming will loosen up the real estate market, which helps us by being euginic/procivic as well.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  ConservativeFred
7 months ago

It will continue to be true until the message is changed from above. It is becoming apparent that 85%+ of people can only internalize info from an authoritative (for want of a better term) source and are immune to data contradictions or evidential sources.

Once this happens the current strongly held beliefs will vanish to leave a faint echo, if anything.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

NJ, the momentum is indeed a formidable issue. In the “war” on the virus, a great deal of effort – if even in a yo-yo of threat/calm, becomes a force of its own.

This will require a “cure” level of counter programming to reverse. I could be wrong, as there are enough people tiring of this that may flip the tide, but I see a kind of sunk cost fallacy at work.

This is also entwined with the self-fulfilling nature of how the solution-problem has been framed. Ie confirmation bias cockblocking skepticism as antithetical to the corona ¡science!

Dave
Dave
Reply to  MikeatMikedotMike
7 months ago

Here in NYC, hospital admissions have halved over the last several days, and the naval vessel docked on the West Side highway is essentially empty. 2/3rd of those admitted to the hospitals here for symptoms have been discharged. Several hospitals in other boroughs are deserted. And the most important point to remember is that this virus is only truly lethal to a small subset of the population. The elderly, the obese, and those with preexisting health problems are most at risk, despite the media scaring people by highlighting the statistical outliers, like the occasional 30 year old that needs a… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

One good thing is that people might learn they don’t need to go to the ER for a papercut.

Unless you’re actually dying, don’t enter the hospital complex. They will keep you there forever and you risk a superbug infection.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

In previous plagues, the economy collapsed because workers died in their fields and at their work benches. We’re collapsing the economy because reasons.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 months ago

Modern life is so tedious, and the desire for entertainment so acute. Going to a show (even when you could) doesn’t satisfy. We’re at the point where everything is a larp. The next step is suicide out of boredom. Don’t laugh.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

When this proves to be the greatest nothingburger of all time, our “betters” will simply crow about how their fascistic tactics prevented another Black Death. None of us actually think they will admit that they were criminally wrong.

Cerulean
Cerulean
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

“… if our leaders were interested in balance and optimism.’

You can bet that as soon as Trump talks about loosening restrictions and moving back toward normal times, there will be a tsunami of accusations that he is a callous, money-grubbing bastard who doesn’t care whether people live or die.

Trapped on Clown World
Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

Over 70% of Americans are in favor of a full nationwide lockdown, per the wiki link, reenforcement of beliefs has a lot to do with having other people around who also committed to the lunacy. It will be a cold day in hell before 70% of Americans admit they were wrong; before they admit that they supported crashing the Titanic into the iceberg to avoid a sea monster that none of them actually saw. Instead I suspect they’ll hem and haw and demand the fed make the the money presses go burrr in order to bail them out of their… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

The narrative is set and there will be no deviation, no matter what numbers come in. This coming week and the week after have been designated as the official “worst weeks ever, a crisis unprecedented in our country’s history.”. As aggravating as this is, we aren’t going to arrest that story. My advice is to play the long game. Keep your head down this week, collect as much data as you can, and soon enough the campaign to shine light on this madness will start. Even then it will be a long, difficult slog.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

The narrative is set and there will be no deviation, no matter what numbers come in.

Yes. They’ll gaslight us harder than Deepwater Horizon.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

If they say that the worst week is coming, that means that we are at the peak already. Peak virus, peak hysteria. We are at the Time magazine cover point of the events (“Why We’re Going Gaga Over Real Estate” magazine cover marked the top of housing bubble).
Things are turning around right now and it’s going to get better soon, even if it will not look like that for some time.

In similar vein, I have seen an article claiming that oil price will go negative soon, which probably means that oil price is close to bottom now.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

That is perhaps even scarier than Bill Gates. It is amazing how people are so willing to forfeit their personal prosperity and freedom. I feel like a foreigner in my own country.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

It’s really discouraging to see how many “Constitutional Conservatives” are A-Okay with having police demand our papers for leaving our homes.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

The number of freedom loving Americans was always small. After all only 3% fought in the revolution and a lot of those because they figured that the new government would allow them to grab more farm land.

We’ve had along history of authoritarian in our States and a good argument could be made that the our Puritan forbears fled here because they were not allowed to espresso people at home.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

Apologies, the stupid made oppress into espresso somehow .

Hell not allowed to make espresso? I’d flee too. 😉

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

“Ihren paperen bitte” has a funny way of jamming up those who have no papers, or at least no papers from this country. If only it were so….

Dave
Dave
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

This crisis has shown us who the snitches and collaborators really are, and it turns out to be a fair number of guys who we thought were on our side.

Alzaebo
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

The Zman laughed at UBI.

It seems the Cloud gods laughed back.

What possible alternative than the dole could there be, when there are no Dirt jobs to return to?

Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

I’m sometimes tempted to think that this is the real Plan. How can we get UBI rammed through without all those damn conservatives going apeshit over a “new government program we can’t afford”? Then I remember who the Cloud Clowns are and that most couldn’t plan a birthday party much less a devious coup like that. I think they may try it but it’s more that they got lucky. Also, UBI might have been workable if accompanied by cutting back existing handouts but it only works if you’ve got a functioning tax base and growing economy. In the current economic… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

Seeing as how quickly the “Muh Constitutshun” types stepped aside for something slightly more dangerous than a cold, the Deep Staters have got to be feeling pretty encouraged.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

The Wuhan Virus is roughly 10x more deadly than the flu ,not a cold. Granted not The Black Death either but its not casual and its also ill understood being a novel virus And yes a maximum of 2% death rate from COVID (with maybe a high 5% total from hospital collapse and other factors) isn’t the end of the world, you have to remember modernity is brittle. Think of it as an economic panic meets Children of Men situation. The Hospital system is already strained to breaking and our social system means it cannot be fixed. Nobody can rock… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

I think the 10x number will be much lower. However, the illness particularly for the susceptible is terrible. That in itself is very frightening.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

I guarantee there are many more uncounted infections. In fact, I bet long after the dust settles we’ll hear estimates that tens of millions had it but didn’t go to the doctor or need medical attention.

This thing went global in a couple of months. That’s the big clue I don’t hear anybody talking about.

Or it’s one massive larp on top of an actual (but not plague-like) pandemic. That’s an insane possibility I no longer doubt.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Isn’t that the truth. The Constitutionalists have been the last line of defense for awhile. Looks like they’re history. I know Rand Paul has a damaged lung, but I haven’t heard him defending healthy people’s civil liberties. His dad has been, though, comparing this flattened curve nonsense to unliquidated bad debt, making phenomenal sense. Ron will be in there swingin’ until Judgment Day.

Alzaebo
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

Poz- I look upon your mighty works, and despair- we are of one mind.

That’s why I called the Panic, the Reset in the beginning. All the trappings of victory with none of the bouncing rubble.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
7 months ago

UBI done right is better than a welfare state. Not that it will be done right. And while I don’t blame anyone for not wanting a welfare state , you are getting one or you are going to smash the computers , most tech and go back to the farm. Even if we deported all “non Americans” we still have far too much low skilled low potential labor. Most people have an IQ of a bit under a hundred, biologically limited BTW Problem is the minimum IQ useful enough for remuneration sufficient for a family is around 120 in modernity… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  abprosper
7 months ago

I already went back to the farm. Halfway, anyhow. It’s glorious. Nature, unlike society, makes sense 🙂

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

Not sure how relevant (I seem to have that problem!) but as a variation on the waste of time talking to those who have shut themselves off to reason, is the problem of a reasonable (rational) person in a crisis, with similar seeming demands, here’s an example where completely opposite choices would be “correct” and would have life-or-death consequences in either event. All depends on the details of the situation. In a crisis decisions can be tough — and with critical consequences. With apologies to Mr. Hardin for stealing the lifeboat analogy: http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html If you are captain of the lifeboat… Read more »

Tarstarkusz
Member
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

Unless the leaders know something we don’t know, like that this really did escape from the Wuhan virus lab is a weaponized virus. It does seem odd to me that governments who absolutely hate each other are all reacting more or less the same. Alternatively, it could be just a giant game of one-upmanship. The dishonest press is putting pressure on leaders in a bad way to be seen as doing something. Given that there is absolutely no possible way to completely defeat this virus, real or imagined, by summer, what the hell are they going to do? What are… Read more »

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
7 months ago

They have created a nation of cowardly children and now it’s biting them in the ass. It’s biting us too but I think it’s gonna be worse for them on the whole so… meh. As for schools being closed. Good, we should be homeschooling our kids anyway instead of sending them to the indoctrination centers that masquerade as educational establishments.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

As a math teacher for over 4 decades I can tell you that homeschooling is the best, followed by private schooling in a good school, followed at a great distance by a good public school, and miles behind those is the diverse public school.

Tarstarkusz
Member
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

I couldn’t agree more about homeschooling.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
7 months ago

The fear that this is a bioweapon accidentally released probably accounts for much of the government’s gross overreaction.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Jack Dobson
7 months ago

I agree with this. It probably did escape from the bioweapons lab that just happened to be in Wuhan, and the Chinese knew this and wildly overreacted by locking people in their homes by force and spraying the streets with cleaning solutions.
It’s also why they denied anything was wrong for a long time, and refused international help.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Jack Dobson
7 months ago

I don’t get it. Granted my knowledge and experience is 20 years old, but I don’t see how genetic engineering can produce anything stable. I’d expect a bioweapon to revert or mutate unpredictably in a couple of generations at most, if not immediately.

GMO and hybrid plants don’t reproduce true to type. We can’t even breed animals with a stable phenotype. A Labrador retriever requires permanent intervention but a bioweapon (a constantly mutating virus no less!) can persist in the wild for months?

Idk maybe scientists have become gods in the last 2 decades. I doubt it.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
7 months ago

” It does seem odd to me that governments who absolutely hate each other”

Thanks for the laugh.
How do you know they “absolutely hate each other”
Oh, Right, they tell you so.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

That’s the headline from this insanity.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

Brillant analogy with the Titanic. I expect to have numerous opportunites to use it (assuming there’s anyone still left alive with whom to share it).

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
Reply to  Trapped on Clown World
7 months ago

I was at a Publix Grocery Store in Orlando today. At checkout there were two young girls: one checking me out and the other bagging my stuff. They were all in masks and gloves and maintaining distance. So I asked if we were going to do this every flu season. The cashier looked at me odd and said, the flu is not dangerous. I said, but 5 times as many people die of the flu every year than this latest thing. She was stunned. Later the wife told me I should leave the ignorant kids alone. They can’t help being… Read more »

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Mark Stoval
7 months ago

Don’t leave them alone. Drop those seeds into their brains. Let those roots expand throughout their heads to grow and grow.

Avery
Member
Reply to  Mark Stoval
7 months ago

She was probably stunned by your snideness combined with ignorance more than anything else. Imagine nearly three months into this thing people like you still claiming it’s only about overall fatality numbers.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
7 months ago

We’re seeing what happens when the fanatics get the force of emergency orders behind them rather than “shaming” on Facebook and other social stalking.

Whitney
Member
7 months ago

I feel like I’m living in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I’ll have a conversation with someone and they’re all normal and rational and then a couple days later they’re wild-eyed, wearing a gloves and a mask and telling me to “Stay Safe”. This has happened several times. It is really causing me to dig in my heels to stay on the contrarian side. Silently of course. I can’t have the modern Stasi of liberal white women coming after me. Jokes on me if I catch it and die I guess. And the latest washed-up celebrity milking this for a… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

I’m not sure about the washing hands constantly at home, but the wife sure is. 😉 Complete scold these days. Two weeks ago she was conducting multiple classes with a dozen plus women in quilting techniques and not with the slightest concern. Governor prohibits gatherings of more than 10 folk and she’s now a convert.

The State has also closed down outdoor shooting ranges. What the hell. No one gets with 10 feet of a loud firearm—the only thing you’d catch is tinnitus.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

There is a clear line between reasonable precaution and moral panic but a lot of women tend to ignore reason and head right for the comforting warmth of drama and self-righteousness.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Tiinitus is preferable to a high-velocity projectile 😀

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 months ago

Depends upon whom you’re firing it at. (-;

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 months ago

Yep. I used to pull targets. Bullet crack is loud as hell even a 1000 yards away from rifle. But every so often, the bullet would hit the frame and you’d get to pull embedded shit out of your body. My take away was a good understand of where the bullet came from and how close and never get between the bullet and it’s landing spot. On the other hand a well placed shot will kill you before you even hear it.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

They arrested a guy for kayaking in the ocean; they’re sealing off trailheads, as if hiking isn’t extreme social distancing.

Only white people do outdoors.
The urbans are terrified of the wilderness.

Cripes, do these Cloud turdlets hate white people.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Which is why (hector….hector) get your butt out of the termite mounds to where you can still walk! Your termite mounds will fall in stages to chaos and control of You. Utah Gov Herbert is a globalist squish yet still barely standing against the wildly hysterical Salt Lake wahmyn pols, and not locking down this state. Hmm….which walk shall I take today! Oh….if too many on the canyon trail…I shall walk in the pinyon/juniper forest to the west. No one ever there. Get the drift!

Alzaebo
Reply to  Range Front Fault
7 months ago

Arrest that woman!
She’s… she’s… a menace to society!

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

You betchum Red Ryder.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Range Front Fault
7 months ago

RFF – my pamphlet from Utah Shakespeare Festival came in the mail this week; apparently that’s still on.

Might need a trip to Cedar this summer.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Great! We’ll meet. However, the Shakespeare festival is pozed. If you look forward to the festival overlords beating you over the head with “me too!” and a Japanese gay guy or a dike broad playing Othello, be my guest. They have a terminal case of cranial anal insertion virtue signaling. Utah is so embarrassed of their old history of the polygamy thing and the blackity black think, they are rocketing into cultural leftism at warp speed. So you go the the plays, and I’ll take a walk up the canyon. Meet you after!

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

I realize quite a few here are in ideologically mixed marriages, but I cannot comprehend the stress of that. My husband and I irritate one another at times, but we’re totally in sync re the big issues, and on covid. If I had to share my home with someone who was terrified of big bad germs and believed the government’s line, I’d be hauled in for murder pretty quick.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

I agree. I can’t see a successful marriage without agreement on the big stuff.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Hey there, your husband sounds like my husband! Do you think…gasp….we’re married to the same guy and he’s polygamous?! On second thought, Basic Husband groans I’m enough for one guy. Can’t be your husband too!

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

At the end of the day, this whole event may go down as the biggest hoax in U.S. history. I’m a first responder in Chicago. I have regular contact with Northwestern Hospital, the major trauma center for the loop. My district is the most densely populated area in the city. The city took over the Cambria Hotel, right across the street from Northwestern, in order to handle the overflow from the virus. It has 174 rooms. Guess how many are occupied. 4 There was 6, but two people got up and walked out. The good news is McCormick Place is… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

At the end of the day, this whole event may go down as the biggest hoax in U.S. history.

Yes. Up until now, the Danish PM has committed to spending half the national budget on relief packages. If that’s any indicator, this is the greatest heist in world history.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

You know what else they’re getting? All the cash workers out there are signing up to get $600 a week. That’s a lot of taxable income that’s no longer going to be under the table

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

I keep thinking of this scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Note that it’s the elderly, boomer-type characters that buy into the government’s hoax most deeply. They believe Dreyfus will kill himself by taking off his mask, “you’ll poison yourself!”, then they justify the hoax “but if the army doesn’t want us here, it’s none of our business.” Spielberg may be a scumbag, but he nailed this one.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

Hon….they’re just old farts scared of death as Old Scratch is occasionally showing up on their driveway grimacing . Don’t give them that much credit.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

“Hoax” too strong a word. “Manipulate a crisis for maximum benefit to oneself” certainly. How bad the virus is/was/would have been will always be open to intelligent debate or investigation. But the ruling power(s) will almost always be justified that they “did something” in response to a perceived threat.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 months ago

Maybe not a hoax, but certainly a fraud.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

There’s still one particular hoax that this will have a tough time passing…you know, the one that has defined the past 75 years of Western Civilization.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

I really don’t think this is a plan by the elites. They can grift anytime they want they don’t need a virus to do so. I think this reaction is due to the opacity of China’s response and the over 10% death rate in Italy. The mortality rate is likely far lower since there are so few tests and priority for testing will go to the sickest but there remains a lot of uncertainty as to exactly what is going on. Uncertainty creates fear and the elites are certainly not immune to germs, this also hit their center of power… Read more »

Member
Reply to  FashGordon
7 months ago

The counter-argument, I believe, is that this was an attempt to destroy all those pesky small businesses that still allow the un-Pozzed to make a living outside the oversight of the HR commissars in big corporations and government. As I said above though I think that will an accidental “benefit” of this for the elite rather than a carefully planned coup. As for testing and all that. It should have been obvious that morbidity and mortality rates at the outset were an upper bound on the real overall rate once it spread. This is for the reason you mentioned. Initially,… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
7 months ago

The biggest hoax is that “diversity is our greatest strength.” Tom Hanks Disease is a close second.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

What’s the anti-mask sentiment about here?

Masks work. Just because I’m wearing a mask doesn’t mean I’m cowering in fear from the virus. I’m not. But I’m taking reasonable precautions to avoid it at this time. Washing my hands doesn’t make me terrified of the virus either. It’s just the smart thing to do.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

Do you live in a hotspot? Are you over 70? Are you obese, or diabetic, or suffering from CVD?
If not, then the chances that you will get seriously ill are small.
Of course, take all necessary precautions, like washing hands after being out in public, but your chances of dying from this are very low unless you fit into one of the subsets most at risk. if you fit into those categories, stay home for now.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

I’m all in favor of them wearing masks. Let’s face it, these face masks protect the bystanders more than the wearers and I don’t want their cooties. I haven’t had a cootie shot.

joe
joe
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

Counting on other people to protect me seems a poor bet, especially since they can be infectious without showing any symptoms. Counting on others will result in situations where people will be attacked for ‘failure to wear a mask’.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

We’ve been using them. But are in the epicenter with DX’d cases all around us. Am in good health. But have also had pneumonia three times over the years, last bout was an antibiotic resistant bacterial strain that damn near got me–toughed it out until started coughing blood. Ended up in the hospital on a drip to stop it. Not an experience I care to repeat.

joe
joe
Reply to  SamlAdams
7 months ago

I think people often worry about the wrong things. I’ve had breathing problems, and I’m way more worried about spending a week suffocating than about dying at the end.

joe
joe
Reply to  Dave
7 months ago

Yes! and the corollary is: if you aren’t in that category, you may as well go to work, because the odds that young people will stay home and go broke till a vaccine comes out (18 months?) are pretty poor. I’m old and sick, but I seriously considered the “don’t worry about it” option just because it seems impossible to avoid for long enough anyway.

joe
joe
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

I like to look at what people do, rather than just do what they say I should. Virus experts say that masks do no good? Well, let’s see what virus experts wear when they are around infectious agents. Wearing safety gear is a bother, but the bother is about 96% just obtaining the thing. Once it’s hanging on the wall it’s very little bother to put it on. For me, getting a mask was just a matter of going out to the garage. And being used to using respirators for spray painting, I was familiar with buying the right filters… Read more »

Charlie_U
Charlie_U
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

The dystopia they’re creating, though, is definitely — to quote the following spot-on tweet — “gay”:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshLeCash/status/1246543471441137664

I heard this kind of crap over the tannoy at my supermarket yesterday, too.

Member
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

Cross clearly isn’t taking this thing seriously. We all know that the only true way to be safe is to remain completely submerged in soapy water at all times. Breathing tube optional.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

It’s self-quarantine. We need to be quarantined from ourselves.

Get with the program or be a plague-spreader.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

And this from the guy who “always spoke his mind with a gun in his hand.” Pffft.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
7 months ago

My observations on the pick up artists and the experts on “Game” is that most of them are single, and most of them boff tire biters that I wouldn’t touch with your dink, or they’re kids.

Game skill is not one I personally wish to develop. In the days ahead, I think a lot of these players are going to have their noses rubbed in the benefits of a classical marriage.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

Kristor at The Orthosphere had a good bit on the PUA folks, particularly on Roosh’s conversion.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

Your comment reeks of envy. They are single by choice, and they post plenty of pics of the girls they get — and they aren’t dogs (Talking about guys like Rhoosh, not his followers).

Personally I don’t see anything wrong with what they do, all it does is give the guys who aren’t naturally charismatic a fighting chance 🙂

Anyway, I laughed at Zman bringing his PUA powers to bear 🙂

Lawdog
Lawdog
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

I can’t wait to cultivate my Z game in the local supermarket. No gloves, no mask, ignoring every hot woman in the queue that I see.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

the new “dark triad” (for Roussey fans)

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Lawdog
7 months ago

You got it wrong. Show up in gas mask and full hazmat suit. Then they’ll know it’s real. If they inquire invite them over to test your “detox system”

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

When I was your age – absolutely I would have been envious and jealous. But now? In my 50’s I have watched the harpies and harridans running amok and destroying their families and futures… and I am glad I missed the hook up culture. I know too many broken down bachelors, lonely cat ladies, and the fugged up kids raised in a single parent home. I advise young men to play for the long game. Put your energies into finding a soul mate. If you put it into finding a quick pump-and-dump… that is all you are going to get… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

ixnay on the insay; re: “broken down bachelors” 😛

UFO
UFO
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

John – with no disrespect intended, I think you’re out of touch with the modern dating game. Every relationship starts with hookups now. Basically you hookup several times and if you like each other you keep hooking up until one person “catches feelings” – and if the feelings are mutual then it turns into a relationship. Most guys want a nice girl to wife at the end of the day, but realistically it won’t happen until the man turns 30 (at least). Should he be celibate for the prime sexual years of his life? Also pregnancy is not really a… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

No offence taken, UFO. I am an obsolete Yesterday Man and I’ve worked damn hard to be one. 😆👍 There’s advantages to be had from adhering to old world values and morals – with better women being high on the list. I’ve watched the battle of the sexes escalate to all out war, and the only thing I’ve seen come of it, is that if you do something to hurt one of the genders, it inevitably blows back and hurts them both. Game is one of those things. I’ve seen high class men cut off at the ankles by low… Read more »

Oliver
Oliver
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

Many of us did take Christianity and the Bible as true and those like myself shunned elicit relationships in our Prime years. I cant image not having hope and to look forward to eternity with Christ, it is the only way one makes it past the social isolation if one never gets married.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

NY is full of them. It is not a pretty endgame.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

Just be good looking. I’m horrible at chatting up women but they like it when I do anyways, because of my height and above average looks.

I’m “strong and silent”, while a short guy with my personality is “creepy and autistic”.

Women’s liberation was probably the worst mistake in all of history.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

RE: your last sentence – a very smart, single, childless career woman in her 40s recently said that same thing to me.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

If you asked this woman to elaborate, what do you guess she would say to justify her statement?

For my mother and sister, feminism is their religion.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
7 months ago

That way past the time women are attractive to men for childbearing, on a primal level, she placed the emphasis on her career, thought she had all the time in the world. Now, she has no husband and no children. And the workplace has lost its charm.

Yak-15
Yak-15
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

Game has its place in life and is an interesting psychology hack. Sure, most of the biggest practitioners are vapid sociopaths achieving suboptimal social outcomes, but they have revealed more truth about women than most anyone in the mainstream has in the past 100 years.

Game is like most forms of Karate. A near utterly useless hand to hand combat Art because it was meant to mimic weaponry. However, it still offers strong principles on fighting and some techniques that still work.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Yak-15
7 months ago

at its heart, Game is just a way for guys to learn not to fear being turned down; to just move on and try again. Kind of a Zen thing really, at the end of the day. The guys selling packages of course dress that up to make it seem like they are providing revealed truth. But if you just ask ten girls out a day, for thirty days, you would be amazed at the results (and inner changes).

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

“Game” is one of the few things that gives a generation of men raised by single mothers a fighting chance at experiencing Classical Marriage

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Boys are raised unaware not only by single mothers. We are all raised by women now, grades 1-12. As you say the lack of understanding of game is a disadvantage to a man looking for a long term partner just as much as it is to a wannabe pickup artist. We are each made of strange clay, and not all is sweetness and light. To prosper in the storms of life you need to understand what’s coming at you. The second greatest gift a mother could give her son is an understanding of game.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  james wilson
7 months ago

I personally was fucked up by the relationship between my beta, sexless, simping father and my mom in their now defunct marriage. That’s what was modelled to me and I had that idea for a long time. Easy to be angry at them but we’re all living in the fucked up clown world doing the best we can. Just glad I’m learning this stuff in my early 20s, as opposed to other guys like my dad who are learning in their 50s. I still don’t condone the PUAs sleeping around serially though. Game is best to be used to find… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  james wilson
7 months ago

(Sorry, deleted, over the comment limit again. I used to be the kid in the corner, on a stool with a dunce cap on my head and tape over my mouth. The teachers weren’t mean, but they had no qualms about that dunce cap.)

UFO
UFO
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

Be confident, in shape, unafraid of rejection, outgoing, and interesting. That part is good advice.

The guys who claim to be sleeping with dozens or hundreds of women are weird. It’s a pathological behavior. Most of the hardcore “game” guys do seem like roidheads or losers (to me).

Have a healthy sex life but don’t be a Coomer.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

i think the pathological behavior is due to the law of diminishing returns. you get less and less of a charge from the novelty of a new poke, so you spin the wheel faster trying to get that initial high again. in short, they are simple sex addicts. or future serial killers.

an awful lot of serial killers are really twisted sexually. they need the immense reaction to killing someone — gruesomely and at length — to get off.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  John Smith
7 months ago

The value of game is to discredit the message that women choose nice guys. Women choose confident men with wealth, looks, or status. Watch what women actually do, not what they say they want.

When I was young, every other TV show had the message that is was admirable for men to cry and that being emotional like a woman made you more attractive. I didn’t question this message until my 30s, after it had done much damage to my romantic endeavors.

David_Wright
Member
7 months ago

It’s the freaking scolds and mutated church ladies that are creating havoc here. Self anointed while policing the playgrounds and streets.

Shopping is definitely more tedious now as I figured it would be but still can amuse myself orc watching. Saw a fat young guy with a painters full respirator maybe just being ironic before going back to his comic books.

Ramzpaul tweeted about the prophecy book you mentioned. May have read it here first?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
7 months ago

I wish I had one of those WWI gas masks to wear, just so I could take the piss out of all these hysterics.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
7 months ago

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/04/04/coronavirus-consequences-of-staggering-magnitude/

Article that appeared in the Occidental Observer by a founder of the New Right in Europe. Worth reading.

” If this matter ends up, as I suspect it will, in a social crisis of huge magnitude, then the Yellow Vests movement will look like, more than ever before, as a dress rehearsal. We can now clearly see that it will be most difficult for the working class and the middle class to put up with [coronavirus] confinement.

..[The European Union ] didn’t commit suicide for the simple reason that it had already been dead…”

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
7 months ago

Ridicule is powerful, and turnabout is fair play. Don’t waste the opportunity when it comes!

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Paintersforms
7 months ago

…with no holds barred.

Compsci
Compsci
7 months ago

Not the same here in grocery store—still out of artificially scarce items: TP, eggs, beans, rice, sugar, flour. Big box, Costco, only lets in 200 folk at a time. No TP, vitamin C, gloves. They spray all their carts constantly with disinfectant and will allow no one to use one not disinfected. Costco employees station everywhere directing people and moving them along. I’d have to say that the carts are sterile—if not clean—as they sit outside in the direct sunlight. Nothing survives our (AZ) direct sun for more than 5 minutes—hell you can’t even touch the cart handle, it’s so… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Costco is probably guarding against lawsuits.

My sister once slipped and fell on a wet lobby floor in Las Vegas. A guy in uniform was immediately on the spot, asking if she were alright. She said yes, thanks and started to get up.

“Please stay down there, ma’am, we’ll have doctor with you presently.”

So she had to stay on the (wet) floor for several minutes, until a doctor had confirmed that she had suffered no lawyerly consequences, she even had to sign an affidavit saying she was fine.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Felix Krull
7 months ago

I was at the casino with a buddy once and he got a nosebleed. Immediately we were swarmed by security and medics. He also had to stay in place until the nosebleed stopped and then he signed a form declaring he had refused medical aid.

clown world

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
7 months ago

Or she could have told him to FO and walked away. But yes, the big boxes especially have entire law firms engaged in defending them. My son worked in one 40 man firm, Wal-Mart was all they did. Slip and fall. Funny truth–the majority of slip and fall are women in flip-flops. She steps into a bit of water or a crushed grape and voila, which doesn’t stop Wally from selling flip-flops or banning them from the store. Oh and yes, the women have much comorbidity, our word of the times.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Member
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

If I may ask, where about in AZ do you live? Grew up in Sedona, long time ago, is why I’m asking. Gawd, I really miss the Southwest sometimes.1

Alzaebo
Reply to  Forever Templar
7 months ago

Ha! Yesterday, just down the road from Sedona, in the high desert mountains, I was thinking, “if the EBT cards stop working, the zombies will never make it to this place”.

Well, at Cordes Junction, I was told they they don’t have enough water, as the ‘lake’ is dry and they have to truck water in.

“Not enough to share,” they said, “but we do have ammo. Lots and lots of ammo.”

(The girl cashier said, “I can’t find any .556”, and everybody in line for gas started jabbering about what must be the town’s favorite topic.)

BFYTW
BFYTW
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

you must mean 5.56 – jesus that’s embarrassing

Alzaebo
Reply to  BFYTW
7 months ago

B, I have no idea what those little numbers mean.

The neighbors all had guns, though.
They all got stolen.

My go-to distance weapon is a sling.
I can hit a bird in flight- from having Basque sheepherders in the family.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  BFYTW
7 months ago

Oh the other hand, an actual .556 round would be pretty cool, and it’d probably go straight through several zombies.

But it’d take someone with wrists like that Hafþór Björnsson person to shoot a “.556” handgun.

Oh, as to “They all got stolen.” No no no. They were all tragically lost in a boating accident. Respect tradition, please!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Forever Templar
7 months ago

The magnificent city of Tucson. Home to vibrancy (50+%) in its many forms. Sanctuary city in all but name, where the number one priority is fighting global warming with the new mayor’s “one million trees” initiative (we’re still trying to find the water for them at this time), and the average working salary is about $22k. We were a short while ago rated as the 4th poorest large metropolitan city in America, but also rated elsewhere as having the best Mexican food restaurant selection of any American city. So I guess that evens things out.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Ugh. Used to live in Arizona as a youngster. Good gun laws but a very lawless place, way to many situations that lead to “Am I going to have to use violence?” and worse I was in suburbia. Though its kind of dumb to plant trees in the desert , planting more trees in line with the ecology is hugely good idea, maybe one of the few the eco nuts have come up with. We do this and we can regulate the climate as we like, any real “global warming” or “carbon emissions” get fragged. Too much? Time for furniture.… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

Same here in DFW. Still zero paper goods, strict limits on multiple items and lots of other empty shelves. I had a cashier confirm the special ‘senior’ hours (for which I qualify but refuse to utilize) are heavily Han/Jeet and so many of the women go in and out of the store multiple times that quantity limits are ultimately pointless. Tons more masks today and all the marked-off spaces on the floor for ‘social distancing.’ I am beyond fed up. At this point I really don’t g-a-f- about the efficacy of masks – I’ll go to jail before wearing one.

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

They might be marginally helpful. I figure washing hands and maintaining distance are far more helpful.

Yeah, the more people push it, the more annoyed I get. Most Asians, especially in China, wear masks because their air is horrible. I remember them talking with one Chinese guy saying he was wearing a mask when he went to work, but took it off at work.

Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Okay, it takes 3-4 days for a driver team to get pallets of Lysol or Purell from the factory dock on to the store shelves.
5-7 days for a solo driver, from one coast to another, less for anywhere else in the country.

These products aren’t Saturn rockets.
Where the F are the critical supplies?
This stinks to high heaven.

________________

(ps- mix aloe vera gel with 70% alcohol to make your own Purell.
Dollar store paper napkins at $1 a big size make excellent TP with extra large squares)

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Alzaebo – thanks for the suggestions. I should have been more clear – I often bought in bulk when items were on sale. I no longer have all the excess paper goods up to shoulder height in the unused downstairs bathtub (on top of the excess bottled water) but we lack for nothing. I buy meat/fish/produce (and yesterday my diet caffeine-free coke). Otherwise I’m just surveying the situation.

Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
7 months ago

Thank you, 3g, but the most desired essentials- cleaning and disinfectants- are suspiciously missing from coast to coast.

Everything else is still being produced, so why aren’t these specifics running triple shifts?

I’ve hauled those products directly from the producers, especially paper, Proctor&Gamble, Johnson&Johnson, for years.

Their huge yards are a sea of semi-trailers serving double duty as temporary rolling warehouse storage, that’s a planned part of the biz.

I know a manufactured shortage when I see it. This stinks, it positively reeks of something deliberate.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Fresh is a different storage cycle, spoilage is the big issue. Can’t sit. I hauled a lot of produce and a bit of meat too, and helped build cold storage packing houses as well.

No, factory stuff can sit. The corporate buyers arrange their lot buys months in advance, but jump when a good deal or high volume suddenly calls.

No reason for a shortage of disinfectants or paper, none. All the vendors tell me they put in their weekly orders, yet the answer keeps coming back, “not available”.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

3 days dock to shelf from the ginormous P&G plant at Beech Island SC to Hackensack, or Green Bay to the 1&9. How well I know.

So where’s muh stuff?
Where’s muh vaunted efficiencies of scale?

NJ Person
NJ Person
7 months ago

Thanks Z-Man for your latest column. It provides much needed comic and psychological relief. The crazies out there need to be mocked. But what is really scary is the level of hysteria that continues to grip our elites. The WSJ reports that Bill Gates wants a 10 week shutdown. It makes a moderate right winger like myself become more receptive to Senator Pocahontas’s wealth tax scheme. I have long admired and defended Mr. Gates up to now, but if he plans to use his wealth to destroy the country, he perhaps should be stripped of his assets before he does… Read more »

Josh
Josh
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

I went to a store yesterday here in MT and it was full of older people-it was not a designated shopping time for them. I’m so glad I’m destroying my future for people who don’t care. At this point, if they don’t care, why should we?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Josh
7 months ago

Wow, old people shopping outside of the *single* hour set aside for them (when snowflakes are still sleeping) has destroyed your will to live. Somewhere Darwin smiles…

Josh
Josh
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

Your shitty attempt at sarcasm is noted, I’m sure you’re glad that we’re shutting down larger swaths of the economy as you’re older and afraid of dying a few months earlier.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Josh
7 months ago

No, I am not glad about anything to do with the current panic. I’m just not pissing my pants about it like you are.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

How ’bout the price of gas, though? It’s down to $1.07 on the rez near me.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

Gas is still pushing $3 a gallon where I’m at

Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

$2.18 for diesel in Missouri
$1.67?-ish for gas

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  NJ Person
7 months ago

Bill Gates has much less assets than he once had when touted as the worlds richest man. The Bill Gates Foundation has lots of assets. Bill Gates gave all/most of his assets to the Bill Gates Foundation. Bill Gates controls the Bill Gates Foundation. Bill Gates found a way to have his cake and eat it too. Bill Gates is a cloud person. Wealth taxes are for the “little people”, to quote Leona Helmsley.

Vegetius
Vegetius
7 months ago

We need to double that visitor count by November.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
7 months ago

Traveling out of the city twice a week brings me to a somewhat rural Walmart. Usually hit it about an hour before closing and it’s always empty.

Used to get really cheap ammo there, but that’s gone by the way thanks to the cat ladies. Now it seems Walmart is caving once again and will only let a certain amount of people into the store making everybody else wait outside for their turn.

Tis aggravating yet still better than putting up with the invading New Yorkers stripping the shelves at the local supermarket 😜

Mikep
Mikep
7 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxVRnNGl5A&t=925s
At this rate there won’t be any 90 year olds left soon. …king disaster!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
7 months ago

Here in Socal the market situation has improved greatly, from the first wave of hoarding. Most everything is available and the lines aren’t bad if you go early. Which store you go to matters too; the one near the Uni is very good because almost no one is nearby. Maybe other people are running down their hoard stocks but I’m back filling every time I (my wife actually, I haven’t been in a store for about 2 weeks) go/goes shopping. We already had a chest freezer in the garage, and it is still pretty full. Will definitely be putting something… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

I read Spanish news (El Pais) and smaller towns in vacation areas have had similar problems with city folk breaking quarantine and coming out to their second homes. Some communities have taken to reporting or ostracizing these out-of-towners. A few villages, in defiance of central government, have even partially cut off access by roads, limiting only to locally controlled checkpoint. Hard to say whether this is defying central authority (an American tradition, at least in 18th century) or pragmatic local government (albeit a despot!). In any event, they have kept the virus out so far.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
7 months ago

i think the self-organizing phenomena is going to take hold and start diminishing going along with the feds. it’s like acid being dripped on all the federal tentacles.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

I imagine a more leisurely response by the local volunteer fire company awaits some people.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a few unfortunate happenings one way or another,

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
7 months ago

There is another interesting aspect to this nonsense. For a large segment of millenials, this is their defining moment, and they know it. Everything they were taught is at stake. They were indoctrinated to worship fear and seek out reasons to get in the fetal position. So if the coronavirus cowering is an easily exposed mistake, their entire paradigm is false, and they are being exposed for fools in many aspects of their lives. So they will strive mightily to secure the borders of Neurosisville.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Millennials are now old enough to know better, but this “paradigm” you’re mistaking for the big steaming pile of crap they were handed.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
7 months ago

Maybe I misunderstand your post, but you’ll note I said they were indoctrinated, which was not their fault. If Mom had stayed home with them, filtering what they were taught at school and pointing out what was hooey and what wasn’t, they might have learned how to know idiocy when they heard it. They are old enough to know better, but some of them don’t want to.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

As an early millenial I agree. Far too many bugmen and AWFL millenials are LARPing this as our generations defining moment. As if sitting at home is harder than being shipped off to some foreign war or looking for work after the dust bowl. They may soon find out what a depression looks like. It is not a good thing.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
7 months ago

So what happened to the Trump who, 10 days ago, was correctly pointing out that the cure can’t be worse than the disease?

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

President Trump reminds me of Anakin Skywalker, who thought he could go to the Dark Side and control it, move in and out of it at will. I am trying to figure out if the sixty-something percent approval rating of his handling of this is because he went to the Dark Side of supporting The Hysteria, or if it is because he keeps emphasizing (as he did yesterday) that hard decisions are going to have to be made soon, that the cure can’t be worse than the disease. The cure was in fact worse than the disease very early on,… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

I think part of Trump knows this is hysteria. His daily briefings are designed to dampen it. But he would be swimming against a tsunami if he tried to downplay this. When you get caught in a flood, you just drift with it until it comes to a stop. When this scare is over, it will be interesting to see if he turns on the media for instigating this.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

You’re right. As agonizing as it has been to watch, I suppose he had to acknowledge it to some point to remain viable for November. The trick was knowing how much. I have done a lot of cringing, watching him walk the tightrope. It has been painful to hear him say “social distancing.” I think he’s gone overboard, but it may pay off in November. However, if we end up in a depression, his gamble may have doomed him. Voters will probably not be rational about it. They will blame it on him and vote accordingly. I blame the governors… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Zman is right- there will be a media Wuflu resurgence in the fall, just in time for the elections.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Trump should use a light COVID-19 mortality score to retain his prestige—take credit for it—and push for his infrastructure bill. Not that I’m a deficit spender, but he needs a jobs program to get re-elected. This stimulus package success is doubtful.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Compsci
7 months ago

This may all be moot when the stimulus package crashes the dollar.

Michaeloh
Michaeloh
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

And yet- the $ is up and US Govt debt is as popular as religion on Death Row. Same as it always was. The End Times Cometh. But this aint them.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Trump is embracing the obviously ludicrous projected fatalities later to proclaim he halved or better the number. It’s actually brilliant.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Jack Dobson
7 months ago

By the time Trump, 100 US Sen., 435 US Reps, 50 state govs (or is it 47?) and countless other state / local politicos have completed counting up the lives they saved as a result of their heroic, selfless actions to defeat CV19 – the tally will be double the world population.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
7 months ago

Brilliant, but we’ll be cursing Trump when the Democrats run with his precedent. Which they will for the slightest of left-wing reasons.

Michaeloh
Michaeloh
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

But GloboHomo doesnt need Trump’s precedent to push the envelope. If Hillary were Imperator there would be a mandatory nationwide quarantine and closure of gun shops, bakeries and Hobby Lobbys. Deplorables would be excluded from the stimulus bills by mining data provided by big tech, the IRS, and Chamber of Commerce America. Illegals would get stimulus benies, unemployment, and CACA (DACA for all, cuz coronavirus). Trump , unlike the Senate majority leader, undertands that.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
7 months ago

Death certificates are taking on a relevance and prominence they are not normally accorded. They are fueling the current conflagration. They are the raw data of the intriguing graphs we’ve come to know, a font of fear as the numbers of deaths due to a certain thing keep getting bigger. It has been reported that in Italy anyone who dies WITH a positive test for the Wuhan virus dies OF the virus. In another study, the average age of people dying in Wuhan was 82. Bear in mind that most have comorbidities – the kinds of things that kill octogenarians… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 months ago

Great information, TRD, thank you very much for the inside baseball look at a very important issue. Someday, a few years hence, there will be a research paper done that illustrates exactly how overstated the death rate due to Wuhan flu is, based on the practices you describe above. It’ll be read and accepted by no one who matters. Right Doctor, a couple weeks ago you seemed reasonably worried about the catastrophic potential of the current virus. What have you seen since then? Has it affected your initial prognosis? From The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: “Well, Mary Jane she lit… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  KGB
7 months ago

I have to confess to a day of – weakness? I don’t want to say panic – when I went back to California for the second week in a row. Travel had fallen off so much and people were freaking out so much more.

Since then the Apollo lobe of my brain has reasserted itself over the Dionysian one. My recent considered projection was 60-80 K US deaths from this (this year – don’t know if it will become endemic, washing round and round the globe). If this is far wrong, I’ll promise to shut up during the next one.

Alzaebo
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 months ago

Heck, Doc, y’all wurnt no righter nor wronger then any of us’ns.

That Huckleberry Finn, above, is a sample of magnificent literature. Great art captures a time and a place that are no more.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Right Doctor
7 months ago

One addition. Fresh from the CDC:

Number of deaths: 2,813,503
Death rate: 863.8 deaths per 100,000 population
Life expectancy: 78.6 years
Infant Mortality rate: 5.79 deaths per 1,000 live births

Note number of deaths per year in USA, over 2.8M, and we are hand wringing at COVID-19 at this time. Again, after the pandemic we need to look at death rate trends before and after to see just have many “extra” deaths we really have. If the at risk population is indeed the old and morbidly I’ll, not many I’ll wager.

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
7 months ago

The HBD crowd has gone totally mad over this virus.

In addition to the usual suspects, I put Anatoly Karlin in this category. 1-2 years ago Anatoly was writing absolutely brilliant stuff. Wonderful stuff! Some of the best stuff I’ve ever read on the ‘net. Even the stuff I disagreed with was still very thought provoking. He has literally degenerated before my very eyes in the last few months.

Assuming he keeps it together and finishes his book, I still plan to buy it.

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
7 months ago

The local Supersaver here in the Upper Midwest is mostly back to normal, with the exception of toilet paper and associated products. There is some on the shelf, but you are limited one package of each. Cleaning supplies are also low. As for masks and gloves, I was in the distinct minority not wearing anything. I received some negative looks from older, Boomer types, but I see no point in masks and gloves at a petri dish like the supermarket. Lines were long due to limited check-out personnel. I believe most people have adjusted to the “limited lockdown” and could… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Apropos of nothing; this column was a welcome reminder that regional dialect still exists.

Specifically, Z’s use of the word “market” to describe that they call a “grocery store” where I’m from.

This is diversity worth preserving.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

“pop” vs “soda”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
7 months ago

Around here we call pops and sodas “Cokes.”

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

That’s right. Someone says, “You want a Coke?’ We answer back, “Yeah, get me a Pepsi.”

Michaeloh
Michaeloh
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Wayyyyy back in the day; “soda water”. Unless we was talking strawberry, orange, or grape- then it was “flavors”. On the the black side of town pronounced flayvas. Good times. Good times.

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

“Youse” vs. “you all.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
7 months ago

Versus y’all.

Lucillius Jr
Lucillius Jr
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Versus Y’uns in Western PA.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
7 months ago

Hoi Polloi.

Allen
Allen
7 months ago

People are really bad at predicting the future, so I’ll refrain. I do enjoy observing my fellow escapees from the hamster habitat when I need to get out and about though. I have been noticing what the most extreme get-up a person will wear in order to protect themselves. The best so far: a guy in a full body wetsuit with a diving mask on. People are losing all sense of proportionality. If they even ever had it.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Allen
7 months ago

Oh yeah? I’ve gone full Unknown Comic- a paper bag with eyeholes.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
7 months ago

Sure it’s not an ex-girlfriend?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Allen
7 months ago

The future is one of the hardest things to predict…

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Allen
7 months ago
JR Wirth
JR Wirth
7 months ago

This virus is a great way to display wealth without being garish like Trump. If you can survive months on end, even years in your house, sending selfies with a glass of wine, doing pilates on-line from your health club’s new Youtube page, it signals a high resource, high importance person. On who can lounge effortlessly in the techno-Versailles of 2020, waiting on door-dash deliveries, while the little people wait by the mailbox for 1200.00 and contemplate their summertime evictions.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
7 months ago

I wonder why someone voted your comment down? I agree with you. It’s a bunch of wealthy white women sitting at home freaking out telling everyone else to stay at home, you know, except for all the people that work for Amazon, instacart, Walmart, or anyone else making it possible for them never to leave their house. We could stop all this tomorrow if Amazon shut down

WhereAreTheVikings
Member
Reply to  Whitney
7 months ago

Amazon, Wal-Mart, et al. have made it possible for hypochondriacs to have the best of both worlds: Be sick while shopping ’til you’re dropping.

Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
7 months ago

Or exercising in front of that talking mirror with the personal coach in it. We’re being ruled by Snow White’s evil stepmother.

“Mirror, Mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?”

Epaminondas
Member
7 months ago

Read the first paragraph in this article about Upstate New York’s Burned-Over District. Sound familiar? Humans are programmed for this crap. In fact, last week some local carney/revivalist came driving slowly through our area with banners flying and music going and a loudspeaker bawling out “Now is the time to repent!”. These people never allow an opportunity to go to waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned-over_district

Bunny
Bunny
Reply to  Epaminondas
7 months ago

From a Christian standpoint, every day is a good day for the call to repentance. We have much to repent, to be honest. That might be one good effect of the Rona. And after all, it’s Lent.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Bunny
7 months ago

BBC: Small shops told Easter eggs are non-essential goods by police and local councils, trade body says

twitter:
Barry Stanton
@barrystantonGBP —
ARE YOU HAVIN A FOOKIN LAFF. POLICE AN LOCAL COUNCIL CAN TELL THAT TO ME NAGGIN MISSUS AN STROPPY LITTLEUNS. YOU HAVE RUINED EESTER. ARE LORD AN SAVOUR DINT RISE AGEN FOR THIS BOLLOCKS. FUMIN

********
(“And after all, it’s Lent.” That might be the sweetest thing ever posted on the internet)

hamsumnutter
hamsumnutter
7 months ago

radio Derb has a segment about hemorrhoids and Death certificates that was spot on this week. I think it was in the bad data piece, brilliant ! My folks were personal friends of George Carlin in NYC. my dad and him use to swim in the East River together. they use to brag about not needing to get formally vaccinated due to the exposer of what NY hospital would dump in the water. interesting childhood to say the least… I’ve been spared the grocery gauntlet for the last two week due to the fact the old lady is working from… Read more »

LPZooAnimal
LPZooAnimal
7 months ago

Cats are a known coronavirus reservoir. We must destroy them all before they get grandma. Report your neighbor to the Gates Foundation hotline if he keeps cats. Once the necessary work is finished you’ll receive a digital certificate for good citizenship and five points towards your next Starbucks coffee. I would type more except that’s difficult through thick butylated gloves and my gas mask is fogging up, damnit. P.S. Bartleby the Scrivner: I live in or near your district. I can’t afford to be doxed either but would enjoy meeting up locally, lemmee know.

Maus
Maus
7 months ago

I am left without doubt that reality has diverged widely from the plague narrative; but I refuse to speculate about how the aftermath will unfold. I am prepared to laugh uproariously or weep bitterly or indeed both because this experience has taught me the power of irrationality. And we can survive or not; thrive or not; but no matter how mightily we strive, we all die eventually. No argument or emotion can alter that narrative.

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
7 months ago

“We were supposed to have hundreds of thousands in the hospital at this point and it is twenty thousand. With the fever abating in Europe and the economy in ruins, the political class will be lifting the siege in the next couple of weeks.” — Z-man At that point in time the real pain will be felt as millions will have no job to go back to. Homes prepossessed, hungry and no future. Perhaps a Great Depression the will make the 30’s look like good time. My mother is dying. She started in the great depression, but told often about… Read more »

Lady Dandy Doodle
Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

Do any TDS listeners understand why the guys there (ALL of them, without exception) have fallen for the-sky-is-falling, hair-on-fire Wuflu narrative? I can’t for the life of me figure it out. Please enlighten me!

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

Are the TDS guys buying the (((narrative)))?

I don’t bear those guys any ill will, but I haven’t listened in about a year. I know they live near Poughkeepsie, fwiw.

Lady Dandy Doodle
Lady Dandy Doodle
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Yes. They are taking it very seriously. I know Mike has asthma, so maybe that explains why he doesn’t leave his house, but they are all doubling down on the hype of the severity of the situation.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

Is the severity of this pandemic a subject on which people of good faith can disagree?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  LineInTheSand
7 months ago

Certainly. It’s the basis upon which the disagreement lies that concerns me. Even I’m not sure what the final figure will be and freely admit such. But I’m pretty sure, collapsing the economy was a price not indicated by the facts at this point in time. So if I’m seemingly unconcerned about a few hundred thousand deaths, the other side is seemingly unconcerned about the aftermath of what at this stage looks like the Great Depression II.

LPZooAnimal
LPZooAnimal
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

I suspect it’s because they are preppers. I’m an urban prepper and have cataloged my own vastly increased paranoia over twenty years or so. My brain is constantly analyzing whatever situation contemplatable and once a set of rules triggers I react according to plan. Jawboning about coronavirus online is their safespace just as cleaning a firearm or backpacking gear is to me. The pattern is funny but it may be valuable someday, depending.

TwinAnchors
TwinAnchors
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

I suspect it’s because they are preppers. I’m an urban prepper and have cataloged my own vastly increased paranoia over twenty years or so. My brain is constantly analyzing whatever situation contemplatable and once a set of rules triggers I react according to plan. Jawboning about coronavirus online is their safespace just as cleaning a firearm or backpacking gear is to me. The pattern is pretty humorous but may be valuable someday, depending.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

I don’t listen to TDS but I can venture a guess?
They don’t have the common sense of working class dirt people. They are too tied to academia type discussions and finally I think their lack of being based in the metaphysical in any way hurts their reasoning. They are anti Jewish influence but not pro Christianity nor pro Jewish religion, Muslim or any kind of metaphysical idea.
Lacking a belief in the metaphysical in my mind might make you more prone to false science?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

See my reply to Yves below.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 months ago

Apropos of nothing: the banner at Daily Stormer is a white banner with black letters with the words “It’s just the flu, bro.”

Pete
Pete
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

TRS is a real doomsday echo chamber. I think it’s their excitement over a potential $1,000 monthly US check influencing their act. These guys don’t have careers. Some of them have never had a job. No assets of any type; real estate, “stonks?”, pricey art work, etc. when they get their “bag”, they imagine themselves lighting cigars with a burning $1 bill.

Vizzini
Member
7 months ago

I have to admit, I don’t really understand the relationship between HBD and panic over this virus. Aren’t we all, here, believers in HBD in the simple sense? “Human biodiversity” — different groups of humans are biologically different and those differences matter.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
7 months ago

Same here, but I’m willing to be instructed. No one mentions HBD science more than me and no one was more skeptical than me when this pandemic was starting over in China.

So as an hard nose HBD science proponent, what am I deficient in wrt how I should react?

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
7 months ago

Not to make it all about me, but I will need to reevaluate my commitment to my values after this. When this started hitting the news, I shrugged it off as the usual scaremongering they do whenever a new illness hits the streets. As i saw the overreactions, i started thinking “smoke” meant “fire” and started to buy into it somewhat, at least to warn my elderly parents to take it seriously. Now i feel a bit foolish. I still want my elderly parents to take it seriously, but this is looking to be just like the other illnesses: hype.… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Irishfarmer
7 months ago

It was intended to be a power grab somewhat like “climate change” but it got out of control. And the power elite is unmanly and easily panicked. The Establishment’s reputations will be in tatters in another week or two (it’s why Fauci and company are backpedaling furiously).

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Irishfarmer
7 months ago

I didnt thibk people would go this crazy. Like bacl in Feb i bought a couple boxes of various cold meds as i was worried people would buy them all up
I considered liquidating the 401k, but said, nah, people arent that crazy. Oops.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
7 months ago

Enjoyed the reference to “When Prophecy Fails.” The analogy was a great one. Unlike in that particular case, though, mass suicide is a common characteristic of movement hysteria, which this largely is. The economic devastation this will wreak is somewhat analogous to mass suicide. Also note that the cult leader in “Prophecy” transitioned seamlessly into other cult-type behavior after the UFO apocalypse failed to materialize. So it is here. We have gone in four years from the global warming cult to the Trump/Russia collusion hoax now to a mass death that ain’t happening. The bureaucratic ass-covering started almost two weeks… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Jack Dobson
7 months ago

This is a great, on the nose takeaway. My sentiments exactly. As I’ve been telling my family and friends, when we look back on this, it’ll be the moment our civilization finally passed around the Kool-Aid and ended an epoch. The people currently in the driver seat of the country (and other countries) are the same 22 year olds from that Jonestown/Wild Wild Country era. They believe that this social distancing construct will bring about some kind of mystical togetherness in a virtual setting. The I Heart Radio Living Room concert special was the tell. Instead they’re bringing us disaster… Read more »

Alzaebo
7 months ago

The Big Event will be April 30th, when the Dirts run out of cash to pay the bills. We can’t afford $400 for car repair, who can pay the rent or the lights? If I lost my job right now, how long would my cash hold out? Will the banks cut off our credit cards like they did in 2009? Unemployment insurance? That’s only a percentage, and only if you qualify, and only if you can last until the approved check arrives. The Dirts means the small businesses who supply the Dirts; all the teleworking from home means office space… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
7 months ago

I am pessimistic that we learn anything when this is over. I watched the response to the Navy Captain of the Roosevelt getting sacked and it concerns me greatly. Not what Trump or Navy brass did to him under Trump. What concerns me is the reaction of the crew of the ship. Go search for those videos. The crew was jumping up and down cheering the captain. So the Chinese Military brass if they are watching our nation and they are. If I was them I would determine from all this that we are a soft people. No, we won’t… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
7 months ago

GGL, Served last 20 years? The Captain was cheered for standing up for his men. Soft? Soft how ? Those Americans are the least soft among us. To the extent that we are even among you at all, for we live in a different world. Ours has honor and consequences, yours has a game of RISK with moving fleets and armies across maps and computer screens. You want to know who’s in trouble? It isn’t our Fleet in the South China Sea. Its the Captain who takes over from Crozier. Right now if this guy Crozier raised The Jolly Roger… Read more »

bilejones
Member

I understand the reason for his sacking was two-fold.
1. He had not raised these concerns with his superiors.
2. He used a medium guaranteed to be leaked outside the service.

That seems reasonable grounds to me.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
7 months ago

People in my region of the country are now not only in favor of stricter national borders but are also in favor of stricter interstate borders. A little over two weeks ago my state had 56 Covid cases. Thanks to (((NY’er))) invading New England we how have more than 800 and the growth curve here is accelerating as it is throughout most of NE. We still have a highly mobile population. As one hot spot arises people will panic and pack off for elsewhere. The public health officials in eastern Canada are now expecting the curve to return to a… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Yves Vannes
7 months ago

Exactly. For those scratching their heads at TRS’ “overreaction,” bear Yves comment in mind. Not saying this is necessarily what actually motivates them – I’m not doing “Orange Man thinks ….” Plan-Trusting with them either. Outsider perspective. That said, these are the kinds of times and events when dissidents can steal the march and gain ground against the system, criticizing its failures, maintaining credibility but also remaining in opposition. This is playing power-politics and propagandizing on the Leftist level. Everyone tired of losing might want to take notes. As I said the other day, in today’s context, rallying round the… Read more »

Lady Dandy Doodle
Lady Dandy Doodle
Reply to  Exile
7 months ago

Basically using the crisis to score political points, blaming globalism and (((ykw))) for the pandemic. I see that, but when you look at the low numbers of people affected and who is/is not affected, they sound so foolish and dishonest–might make some currently on the Red Team not want to trust them on other issues.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

I suspect you have little to worry about with Joe Normie. He will believe the pandemic was real and light numbers of casualties were because of our brave medical epidemiologists who destroyed the economy to crush the pandemic. Allow him to believe such. Don’t argue, elevate the discussion to prevention of the *next* pandemic—and the root cause of this pandemic—globalism, open borders, and whatever else you believe he is receptive to believing. That is the Leftist method. No guilt should be felt, the rules of the engagement have been set by your enemy, don’t let your virtues be used against… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Lady Dandy Doodle
7 months ago

Foolish and dishonest from the skeptic’s perspective but as this thread repeatedly notes, at least 70% of the public is in panic-mode. We have a window of opportunity to use this panicked state to circumvent the normie conditioning and implant memes of dissent in them. The more skeptical 30% already include a lot of Our Guys and those predisposed to our memes already. “Dishonest” is also a matter of degree when it comes to propaganda. Word-to-World fit is the key. Some of history’s most powerful propaganda campaigns were half-truths. We need to maintain trust and authenticity among Our Guys and… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 months ago

The only way I can see this strategy working is if this truly is “The Time” ie, this is the situation where the government will not be able to afford to pay the police and the whole thing falls apart; Russia 1917 style.

Anything short of that and joining the Corona hysteria is just simping for GloboHomo. Z’s fearless truth-telling will enhance his standing; same with Ramz. Do you want to not be on that side?

Exile
Exile
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Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Globoshlomo is the victim, not the perpetrator, of Gaia’s operation in this case. They’re not riding this tiger, although they will ruthlessly angle for advantage amid disaster, unlike a lot of us, it seems. I too am in the seeming minority who believes that truth-telling is noble but we live in an upside-down world today. Ask Cassandra how truth-telling turned out for her. Z’s mentioned the “Beautiful Losers” many times here. Noble paleocon truth-tellers with empty trophy cases. What was it Z said recently about the fate of prophets? It’s often more important in politics to look like “you care”… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
7 months ago

Not sure I can go along with GloboHomo being the victim, they play “heads I win, tails you lose” and unless the scenario I mentioned in previous post plays out, they’ll emerge stronger than ever.

I do see your point about the paleo’s empty trophy case. Figuring out how not to repeat that is a really important question.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
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Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

Meme, This whole “crisis” is as of yet barely off the ground. Wait until the economic fallout begins to materialize. We need to keep ahead of how the story gets told. We need to attack globohomo from all angles. We have a primary goal, to ensure that our people begin to understand that we have group interests that are opposed by everyone else including many anti-white whites. As the economic pie shrinks and the demands for bailouts and gibs accelerates whites will be relegated to the back of the line. We will be expected to live off of our assets… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Yves Vannes
7 months ago

Great insight, Yves. For the first time in my lifetime, the Cloud People are about to feel real fear. Pile on.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  MemeWarVet
7 months ago

This is an absolute debacle for GloboHomo. Exploit it because these SOB’s are on the ropes.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Yves Vannes
7 months ago

Thank you Yves.

I’m assuming you’re in Quebec. Well, Quebec just closed its border with Ontario and New Brunswick. Now if only they would close the border at Roxham Road where all the illegal aliens keep coming in.

Canada was close to a tipping point before, we were bringing in massive amounts of 3rd world trash, not even educated immigrants like before. The only reason things were okay was because everybody had money. The stress is going to cause things to come apart.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  UFO
7 months ago

If the situation was reversed, and Ontario closed its border with Quebec, one can only imagine the howls of protest.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
7 months ago

Off Topic: Here’s a little hit of dopamine for those who anticipate the Trump vs Biden debates:

https://twitter.com/TVNewsHQ/status/1246551869423575042

T. Morris
T. Morris
7 months ago
Whiskey
Whiskey
7 months ago

I am really surprised Zman and others do not see what is happening. Since at least the 1890s and likely before, the political class of Reformers who feel that since they went to Harvard, Yale, Princeton or Stanford they should be running everything and ESPECIALLY controlling every minor aspect of people’s lives has been at war with the commercial class of big shots (TR vs. say, Rockefeller) who like the original Rockefeller often came from humble, not so exalted origins. Such as Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, etc. The only meaning to say, Andrew Cuomo’s or Gavin Newsome’s life is making… Read more »

Tax Slave
Tax Slave
7 months ago
vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
7 months ago

“ Fanatics tend to attack the less fanatical because the mere presence of them calls into question their extreme position on whatever is the main belief.”

Gee. Good advice for all. 😉

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
7 months ago

If the clock strikes 0400 AM then; The Experts saved us. The Dissonance if it is broken will be broken by suffering and clear and utter predatory hypocrisy. Mass unemployment. Small businesses failing by the millions. A Depression we can’t print our way out of, a destroyed shopkeeper class. At present PPP is stuck at SBA but it gets better; I have it from two SBA lenders that PPP is the only SBA lending. Everything else lending wise from SBA is frozen. At present the banking system *may* be frozen due to other issues – such as the Feds helicopter… Read more »

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
7 months ago

Mencius Moldbug is another brilliant mind that has self-destructed due to both TDS and COVID-19. https://medium.com/@curtis.yarvin/plan-a-for-the-coronavirus-7db3997490c1

FrenchRoyalist
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
7 months ago

Mencius + Hunter Wallace + Steve Sailer + Greg Johnson + Jared Taylor. (I don’t enjoy say that, I had sympathy for Sailor and Johnson, and a litle less to Taylor or Wallace. No one for Darkenlighters)

abelard Lindsey
abelard Lindsey
Reply to  FrenchRoyalist
7 months ago

The Unz people went off the deep end over Iran at the beginning of the year. That’s when I largely stopped reading them. The HBD crew and a lot of others have gone off the deep end over COVID-19. It is very interesting to watch how certain events exposes the delusions and instabilities of various pundits on the ‘net. Its analogous to Warren Buffet’s description of an economic downturn exposing those who are out swimming without a swimsuit.

FrenchRoyalist
7 months ago

I don’t remember the historian which wrote : “civilizations never die by killing, but by suicide”. That’s what happened this spring 2020.

I always thought this motto “a life get no price” but here we are : to save 20 000 French, and more American (there will be by far more deaths in the US, not because of the CV, but because of economic liberal health system and because of your junk food culture), “we” (90% of us) were accepting to destroy the entire economy. That’s litteraly crazy.

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  FrenchRoyalist
7 months ago

Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.

Arnold J. Toynbee

Suicide in the form of an effeminate soy boy and blue hair a feminist.
Every civilization kills itself by its own rot which may take on different forms but which cause is always the same- The extinction of Man