The Wimpening

When I was a young man, my grandfather would tease us boys by telling us “In my day it was wooden ships and iron men. You boys will be lucky if you are wooden men in iron ships.” I’m not so old that my grandfather lived in the age of sail, so it was just a way for an old man to have some fun teasing his grandkids.

That said, he had a point. A boy coming of age a century ago was facing a much tougher world and would have to be tougher to live in it.  There’s little doubt in my mind that men of my generation are softer than the men of father’s or grandfather’s generation. It’s not just the material excess we have today. When I was a little kid, I had it much easier than the prior generations. My grandfather, for example, quit school at 13 and went to work in a coal mine.

Steve Pinker has made a strong case that men have grown decreasingly violent over each generation. His data corresponds with the historical record, which is what makes it such a strong argument. We know, for example, that banditry was a serious issue in the Middle Ages. Traveling from one town to the next was dangerous. Today, we travel from town to town without thinking about bandits, other than cops running speed traps. The only danger there is to your wallet.

One of the reasons he points to for the decline in violence is the feminization of men, which he defines as a growing awareness of and respect for the interests of women by men. I’ve always paused on that one simply because it runs counter to what we know of history. Women have often been the cause of violence and I don’t just mean men fighting one another for women. I mean women instigating wholesale and particular violence. Roman history is littered with women who killed a lot of men.

That said, you can argue that women are less tolerant of wholesale violence, on average, than men so as women increased their influence over western society, violence dropped. At the same time, as the value of violence dropped, men less inclined to violent solutions rose in status, while the tough guys fell in status. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance plays on this theme. In a civilized world, the tough guys are marginalized and the smart guys rise to the top of the social hierarchy.

To circle back to where I started with this post, the pop heroes of my grandfather’s generations were gangsters and cowboys. In my generation, we still had some of that, but the male leads were more contemplative, using their wits and charm more than their brawn. Watch a current movie and the male lead is a small, wimpy guy, who cowers to women. The alternatives are cartoon tough guys that resemble video game characters, more than real males.

I’ve always wanted to think this is just Hollywood being overrun by social justice warriors and liberal fanatics. Fifty years ago, Hollywood cared about making money so they made movies to please the audience. Today they care more about making commentary so they make films that lecture the audience. That and the drop in skill means they are less adept at using subtlety to make their propaganda.

Still, events do make me wonder if there’s been a collapse of manliness and Western men have gone full Eloi.

A respected violence researcher has declared that the Cologne sex attacks show German men have forgotten how to fight, and it’s a good thing.
Jörg Baberowski gave a speech recently at the Philosophy Festival  in Cologne on Thursday night saying that the New Years Eve sex attacks in Cologne prove that German males have forgotten how to stand up for themselves. He said the fact that the German men had not come to the aid of the women being sexually assaulted by large gangs of migrants showed a reluctance to be violent and commented: “We see that men in Germany no longer know how to deal with violence,” Stern reports.

However, immediately following the remark Baberowski, who is a historian at the Humboldt University in Berlin, said “thank god” that German men no longer know how to stand up for themselves or face violent conflict. He claimed that is was good that German men relied solely on the state to take care of them and protect them. He claimed that the New Years’ attacks were a failure of the state to protect its citizens and that if the government can’t guarantee that safety then the confidence the citizens have it it will be shaken.

Thinking back to my youth, I recall hearing lectures about the importance of letting the authorities handle whatever trouble was brewing. Lecturing boys about using their wits versus their fists was common enough to stick in my memory. There was also the idea of “being the bigger man” and not responding to physical challenges. I was reminded of that watching this from Milo Yiannopoulos’s event at DePaul University.

One of the things that men my age will talk about with one another is how young white males never get into fights. I’ve had interns tell me they have never been in a physical confrontation with another male. I’ve never considered myself a fighter, yet I was in a scrape every week growing up. That was just what boys did. Even into my teen years, things we often settled physically, even if it was quickly broken up.

Getting back to the Milo event, I keep wondering what would happen if someone popped one of these BLM cunts in the mouth. If Milo had knocked her cold, I’m thinking that would be the last of these confrontations. The risk assessment by these people would change overnight. Taking on the honky would suddenly come with real danger. Whatever benefits there are, assuming there are any, of refusing to fight, there’s no doubt it encourages troublemakers like that woman to get increasingly aggressive.

Watching the reaction from his fans on-line, I feel like I’m from another planet. Frankly, I cringed watching that video. Yet, the reaction on twitter suggests most people think he was the winner in that exchange. If that’s “winning” then I don’t want to see losing. To my old eyes, that looked like a white guy being dominated by a scrawny black bitch and then slinking away. I get that he is a gay guy and maybe the rules are different, but still, it was hard to watch, much less cheer.

Maybe the great wimpening has reached the point of no return. Traditional forms of masculinity are dead in the West and will not be revived until sometime after the Caliphate is established. Those dusky fellows rampaging through the streets of European cities are unlikely to sit there and take a lecture from a mouthy twat from Black Lives Matter. If Western men can’t stand up to mouthy college twats, they stand no chance against the Mohammedan.

The Muslims are not wrong about everything.

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I haven’t given up hope on this. I see signs of a pushback here and there.

Drake
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One of those questions that will be answered in my lifetime – will the tough guys step forward and confront Islam or stand back and watch the wimps submit? The answer is probably some of both.

It is interesting to see how the European states are far more alarmed by rhetoric from Pegida and the Soldiers of Odin than actual rape, assaults, and murders by Muslims.

AFM
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AFM

It’s already started. I think MIlo realizes at some point he will need to confront violence directed at him if he continues down this path. He’s not stupid.

CBdog
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CBdog

Hows he not stupid?? He chooses dick over velvety soft pussy!! Tell me again hes not stupid.

michael
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This is partly why moldbug says right wing violence always loses and Auster talks about anarcho tyranny. The state made it clear the sand niggers had a pass but the whites would be dealt with harshly, Women made it clear they didnt want help you had to be some kind of hero to go against that as well as the white guilt instilled since birth.Two fags in a room full of killer apes is not a good test of white males generally support from their women would help but neo nazis are not going to attract women. support from som… Read more »

Hugh
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Hugh

Why should the “tough guys” bail out a western civ that despises them? Fuck them, let it burn

Notsothoreau
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Notsothoreau

Don’t you find it interesting that people complain about the purity of drinking water but never talk about all the estrogen in the water from birth control pills? I believe that, and the hormones they used to feed livestock have a lot to do with the wimpening

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According to Milos, the security he was forced to hire for the event sat on their hands while this was going on, but you can rest assured that if he punched out that twat, he’d be in jail himself and all over the news this morning.

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

Guards can be moved too. Get the audience to bang their chairs and chant repeatedly and rhythmically “Remove them or we will!”
Worst that happens? They shut the event down, same result as before, but now, at least the audience doesn’t look weak.

AFM
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AFM

The audience did chant “do your job” for 2-3 minutes. They sat there like sheep, hardly interested.

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

That’s why you incentivize them. Demand action with threat of your own, then follow through on threat. They will only disbelieve you once. Who will they fear more, a few posters or a crowd?

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

Posters= protestors

AFM
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AFM

Incentivize them to do what? They’re paid by DePaul and clearly have been given orders to not do anything that would look bad. It’s perfectly okay to arrest white people for being violent or disruptive. It’s only sort of okay to arrest black people for being openly violent. That’s the world we live in. Milo is what peaceful resistance to that brave new world order looks like in life. Turning into a violent mob would prove every point they ever had about white guys and far more importantly it wouldn’t do a d*mn thing anyway. The event would have ended… Read more »

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

Their points don’t need proof, they are self-evident to them, you cannot convince them that they are wrong, you can only break their spirit and their institutions. Keep all actions proportionate and responsive. They chant to drown out, you chant to drown out, they block you block, they take a mike you take it back. You do not disrupt order, you restore it, where the administrators fail to do so, always where you have a right. You are worried about them ending the event?The event did end there, as planned. Resistance would have at least shown some strength and made… Read more »

Jay
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Jay

To be fare, I have heard Milo mention elsewhere that, as a Brit, he fears being arrested in this country and the potential trouble that will make for him traveling about, or even entering. If he starts getting in fights with all the violent protesters that might be used as pretext to ban or restrict him (I have no idea if that would fly over here, I know the Brits love banning American conservatives).

John
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And ‘The guy with the funny mustache and best selling book’ went to prison after a failed violent takeover and emerged a leader. It isn’t that every man has become a girly-man it’s that the courts and the police protect the scum in all cases at all times from the men that would act. I personally saw this in Boston during the Occupy travesty; blocking people coming out the subway and trains and heading for work the citizen is forced BY THE POLICE to step aside and go round instead of straight through the filthy punks as we wanted. The… Read more »

michaelx
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A man must, at some point, defend his honor, regardless of the consequences. Milo seems like an OK person but he proves, yet again, that he is no man and he has no honor worth defending.

Hugh
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Hugh

being afraid of going to jail on a battery charge with a $100 bond rather than defend your honor makes you a coward.

James LePore
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I have written a lot of fiction about alpha males, who, in my opinion, are our best protection against the barbarians, foreign and domestic, who want to kill us.

Here is the first chapter of a novella about one of them, that comes out on June 8:

http://jlepore.fineartstudioonline.com/blog/107631/new-novella-breathe-in-grace-chapter-1

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

A number of things were quite wrong in “Better Angels”, in particular, how Pinker ignores a noticeable uptick in certain forms of violence in the last 50 years (e.g. p. 54) The kids are soft but people can harden quickly. The decline in violence means that fewer may do more with less, better targeted violence, and with good psyops (wits and charm). There are some out here waiting for the fight, but it has to be legal (I.e., self-defense, or standing in another’s shoes) at this point, photogenic, since cameras are everywhere, and it has to occur to people to… Read more »

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I think feminization of society is one possibility. As I’ve seen this develop, I’ve come up with some others: Overspecialization. Aggressive sports are much harder for regular joes to get into even at the high school level. Kids turn to less aggressive pursuits. Drugs. Pain killers and anti-anxiety drugs act as a kind of soma and reduce aggression overall. Risk adverse culture. Back when most folks were blue collar, getting into a dust up every once in a while wasn’t going to hurt your “career.” In our over-credentialed society, even a misdemeanor could get you canned. Risk mitigation culture. Anyone… Read more »

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LetsPlay

Just look at the ‘all volunteer’ military the US has had for quite some time now. Granted Obummer has been playing social engineer with this aspect of our society also, but we have literally millions of recent military trained people and like-minded family who do not kow-tow to the gummint, or mooslims. These people have the “right stuff.” Then, take a look at all the, what I call crazy sports of skateboard parks, parkour, skydiving/flying, whatever it is called … just extreme sports that lots of people undertake. It is a harkening for the mortal challenge where physical danger is… Read more »

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Ivar
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Ivar

It has been a long time since the military had ‘the right stuff.’

LetsPlay
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LetsPlay

Take a closer look idiot. Those troops are wearing Canadian ID. But you are right about the social engineering going on by progressives in the US military. Still, the right stuff is still alive and kick’in, albeit under attack from domestic enemies.

Fuel Filter
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Fuel Filter

The *REALLY* scarey thing: look at those “men”:

They are all smiling.

Drake
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Drake

I would have taken an Article 15 before submitting to that humiliation.

LetsPlay
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LetsPlay

Agreed!

Bill in Tennessee
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Bill in Tennessee

I look at this pic and it just sickens me. Once you see something, it’s hard to UN-see it.

Drake
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Drake

I’ve sent my kids to Catholic schools and chose a smaller one for my youngest son. One that doesn’t recruit and subsidize athletes. In other words, he’ll be on the football and baseball fields if he works hard.

Doug
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Doug

I think the cultural marxists make a big mistake, they believe they have special privilege to shape the cultural battlefield, it is the way of how they think they rule people, rule souls, but once they have robbed a culture of everything visible and symbolic, that culture is no longer in their power – it is free again. And I think too, the efforts at emasculation are so much urban bullshit. They are running a closed loop, with sitting ducks, like shooting fish in a barrel, easy pickin’s. Really, you want my guns out here in flyover country? My answer… Read more »

AFM
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AFM

The point is to display who is the most uncivilized group there. Everyone had a phone, it’s on Twitter, it’s on Breitbart, it’s on this blog. It’s not the white guys in the chairs who lost the stage that are the oppressors. They are competent and organized and civilized. It’s the black guy acting like his worst stereotype. Yes, Milo could have popped him in the mouth. But then security would have reacted and had Milo arrested. You’re assuming here a level playing field of your playground youth. It does not exist. DePaul wanted extra security to arrest white guys… Read more »

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

If Milo were arrested for defending himself at his own event, that would be a huge win. The empty hall is the battlefield. Who holds the field at the end is the victor.

RobM
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RobM

Z, I agree with you on watching Milo just sit there. Then I thought, you know, besides the obvious, his was a no win situation for a white male. He could NOT have physically reacted to either the male or scrawny female that were jumping around. He and likely BB would be sued. So Milo ended up being forced to submit like a victim, and then seized the opportunity when it arrived to engage the crowd and leave to march on the Presidents house. This speech tour is about awareness and exposing the culture at these Universities and so, even… Read more »

Casher O\'Neill
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Casher O\'Neill

The moment she laid hand on him, he could respond. Not ground and pound but maybe stand up and push her away hard. If the cops are there, call “battery” and demand they arrest her immediately, if not call 911. Always be the complainant.

Severian
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A major part of the decline in violence over the very long term is the “democratization” of violence. The individual’s fighting prowess gets less relevant in war with every technological leap. Achilles was the epitome of manhood to the ancient Greeks and Romans, but an entire army of Achilleses would last all of ten seconds against a phalanx. The total social organization that went into producing knights could be killed off in a minute by a crossbowman, and castles that took 25 years to construct could be battered down in an hour with gunpowder artillery. Even if you collected all… Read more »

LetsPlay
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LetsPlay

Ok, technology advances and new stuff over powers the old. What else is new? Human nature does not change. And the facade of civilization once gone will turn life into a “free-for-all” as all our supply chains come to an abrupt halt. But you think things will begin when “some put-upon white dude opens fire …” well, I for one am very surprised that things have not started already. Why our so-called leaders are afraid to bring the president up on charges of “unAmerican activities” and aiding and abetting foreign and domestic enemies, and circumventing the Constitution with abuses that… Read more »

Severian
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I’m with you there — I too am very surprised it hasn’t already started. But I’ve been saying for some time that they wouldn’t be doing much different if they were actually trying to start a hot civil war. You can only shout “racist!” or “sexist” or “homophobic” or whatever the current slur is, so many times, before people start saying “well, if I’m gonna be accused of it anyway, I wanna be guilty.” And then we’re well and truly screwed. My point about the long term effects of technology was that it may be organic as well as cultural.… Read more »

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Z Man, this is the first time I’ve seen a vein of raw anger in your posts. There is a lot of it out here. My mother and grandmother busted their butts to buy a house in a good neighborhood with good schools. When my Mom couldn’t afford to keep up with it I gave up a big chunk of my independence and moved in so they could keep the place. When I had to spend my life savings on a stent implant I took a job pushing broom for the local school system. I spent five years on the… Read more »

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A common factor links the wimpening in Germany with the wimpening exhibited by Milo at DePaul–a police authority that tolerates violence and bad behavior by minority groups but stands ready to prosecute whites to the fullest extent of the law, even for taking defensive measures. Milo has too much to lose to risk striking back, and the BLM protesters knew this from the start. The risk calculus will change if the various biker groups honor their pledges to provide security for Trump events and the Convention. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-convention-idUSKCN0XQ1YJ As to the Cologne attacks, I would add that there’s little incentive in… Read more »

Drake
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Drake

That’s the problem. We have too much to lose. Unless I have the legal shield of self-defense, I could lose everything I’ve spent a lifetime working for. Beating down a couple of thugs isn’t worth it. That, and men of my tribe are bad the “uncontrolled rage” so popular among minority victim groups. We were raised to stay in control – then I had it deeply reinforced in the military even while learning to efficiently commit the most violent acts imaginable. I’ve been in some conversations and situations where men of my generation and type all sort of look at… Read more »

Bill in Tennessee
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Bill in Tennessee

Maybe it’s time to start after-school fight clubs among school age children. Grade 6 through 12, and encourage them to fight above their weight and age. Oh the PTA and local constables and SJW’s will object, but then just take it even deeper underground. I’d chip in money and some fisticuffs advice.

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Anonymous Bro

The state will only grudgingly prosecute a dusky muslim who socks a dusky blm protestor, but it would happily prosecute a white man who does the same. That changes the whole equation, the cost of violence is artificially raised for white men, just like the status of non whites is artificially raised through affirmative action.

Wayne Parker
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One need only look at developments in professional and amateur combative sports and how those sports are reported in the mainstream media to see further evidence of efforts to deprogram the American male. For example, American footballers have suffered from concussions and related health issues for well over a century. There were literally dozens of open-source medical journals detailing these health issues back in the early 20th century, even if players themselves or their parents never actually read the studies. More to the point, any parent with half a brain and a child who plays Peewee football knows there are… Read more »

Glenn
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Glenn

Thinking back to my youth women (and most of the men) didn’t hit people. But if they did they could count on consequences.

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The Right philosophise, the Left strategise. That’s why the Left keeps winning. Yes, if Milo had belted her, it would have been great for his profile (I’m not sure why he hasn’t realised this) but he does come from a generation where ALL violence is wrong and heaven forbid against a “woman”. By not “stooping to her level” he won the day and didn’t ruffle his shirt. Boy, I would have loved to see him pick her up and throw her off his stage though. He looks like he has been training lately, don’t let those guns go to waste… Read more »

Thud
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I was brought up in a rough part of a rough working class city (Liverpool) fighting and using violence was how I made my living for a greater part of my life and for many I know it still is.Not great I know but things are not as bad as it seems.

UKer
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UKer

I had relatives who lived near Liverpool who would be much entertained when on visits to the city they saw fights break out at weddings.

WetBurn
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WetBurn

Next time have a spare mic in your pocket, and someone ready to turn off the one they take.

The Usual Suspect
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The Usual Suspect

The pecking order of Alpha Males in the world is Muslims, Black males, Black females, Brown males (Latino) Eastern European males (Putin) Asian males, Asian females, Redneck American males, Aussie males, American males that brush their teeth, Canadian males, European males, Two week old kittens, Scandinavian males, butterflies and all politicians.

Drake
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Drake

Right up until the shooting starts – then it always seems to be white guys standing at the end.

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Steve
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Steve

The problem is that if whites fight back and they get sued and will lose things they worked your whole life to get , these other people have nothing to lose.

Just A Guy
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One of the relevant articles on this subject; from Jeff Nyquist
http://mycroft1.proboards.com/thread/1496/lions-foxes-nyquist

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Won\'tSubmit

There is more: all through history
“Why Women DESTROY NATIONS * / CIVILIZATIONS – and other UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS”
http://tinyurl.com/jm6rj9f

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mmburger

Milo should have said: “This, folks is an example of why blacks are incarcerated as much as they are.” I’m getting tired of the daily BLM chimp-out…