Alt-LARP

For weeks, maybe months, the site WeSearchr was raising money to finance another street fight with the black clad Antifa guys. It was pretty obvious that the point of the “rally” was not free speech or to support Trump. It was an effort to have a rematch with Antifa, which kicked the crap out of the normies at the Berkeley Milo event back in February. The WeSearchr guys did everything but offer to drive the Antifa people to the event. It was such an obvious setup, it is surprising that someone did not shut it down in advance.

The social media reports from the event strongly suggest the cops were told to stand aside and let things take their course. That appears to be the style in Berkeley, where they just assume the numbers are always on their side. On the other hand, there’s a protest every day at Berkeley. It’s just part of the culture. It’s entirely possible that the level of cynicism has reached the point where the cops simply don’t care. There’s no way to know, but the Alt-Lite people see to think the cops were told to stand down.

From his secret lair in suburban Washington DC, Richard Spencer declared the resulting melee a win for his team, even though the people who organized it seem to hate Richard Spencer. The various schisms and feuds in the “alt” community have reached the point where it is hard to keep track of the sides. Regardless, the vanguard of the proletariat smashed the other vanguard of the proletariat, resulting in some hilarious video on social media. Judging by the coverage, it looks like Antifa was on the losing end of it this time.

Spencer is completely wrong in his assessment. He really, really wants to jam current events into his narrative of Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler, but history never repeats itself so neatly. As the old saying goes, “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.” The rhythms of this age have some things in common with the rhythms of past ages, but that’s as far as it goes. Spencer is not Martin Heidegger and there is no young Adolph Hitler lurking in the local art school, contemplating a political future.

More important, the street theater we see going on between Antifa and the Alt-Lite, and it is the McInness wing doing the fighting, is nothing like the street battles that went on in the Weimar days. The Freikorps battling communists were not bored college boys killing a weekend with some live action role playing and a few brews with the bros. The Freikorps were an important German cultural institution that dated to the Seven Years War. These were former soldiers, organized into a civil political force.

Comparing the ProudBoys to the Freikorps is laughable on its face and reveals a fundamental lack of seriousness on the part of Spencer. Comparing these Antifa idiots to the Spartacus League is even more absurd. German citizens after the abdication of the Kaiser thought the two paths forward were socialism or communism. Exactly no one supports Antifa’s political agenda, if they even have one. Similarly, Spencer has a following in the hundreds and no one thinks his ethno-state idea has a future.

To be fair to the Alt-Lite people, and again, it is the Alt-Lite out there doing the fighting, they just want to have their events without being harassed by lunatics. If the adults running the campuses and policing these political events did their jobs, none of this would be necessary. You really cannot blame them for taking matters into their own hands and laying into these Antifa nutters. If the people in charge refuse to do their duty and maintain civil order, then people will do it on their own. That’s an immutable fact of life.

Even so, America is not Weimar Germany. It is not even 1960’s America. The days of hard men enforcing ideological discipline on the streets are long over. The days of disaffected youth upsetting the social order are also past. Ricky Vaughn did more for the disaffected with his twitter account than any of these guys playing make believe on the streets of Berkeley. The bros had a good time beating up on the punks from Antifa and that’s not a terrible result in itself, but it is not the Spartacist uprising.

If there’s any lesson here at all it is that in the current crisis, the old tactics are more for theater and entertainment than advancing a political agenda. Going on campus to harass Charles Murray is not changing minds and it is not intended to change minds. It’s just something to do in order to show off to friends. Its bored children coloring on the walls, even though they know mom will be pissed. Since mom is not going to give them up for adoption over it, the act is just pointless, risk-free theater.

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joey junger
joey junger
7 years ago

If you read the accounts of the Schutzpolizeimanner (street policemen) in the Weimar Republic, it confirms everything Z-Man says in this post. Germany in the late 20s was a bit closer to Iraq (or at least Ciudad Juarez). There were clashes in which hundreds of people died, and there would be raids on KPD safe-houses where the weak points of the “Sonderwagen” were posted so that snipers could more easily kill cops. Communists killing cops is part of what actually caused the moderates in Germany to decide the Nazis weren’t as bad as the commies. Goebbels disseminated orders to his… Read more »

SWRichmond
SWRichmond
Reply to  joey junger
7 years ago

“never say never” Agree. Any attempt to jam these events into a Weimar narrative are way premature. There may be enough hints to be noteworthy: “there’s a protest every day” – check “The various schisms and feuds in the [ ] community have reached the point where it is hard to keep track of the sides.” – check The violence is becoming more organized – check “there is no young Adolph Hitler lurking in the local art school, contemplating a political future.” – you don’t know that, and I’d be willing to bet there are dozens. While the left has… Read more »

ensitue
ensitue
7 years ago

You can find a detailed bio on Venus here:
https://www.everipedia.com/louise-rosealma-venus-rosales/
She has a long history of blatant lies and attendance at Leftist/Antifa events. One wonders if she is also motivated by the lure of Soros cash

ensitue
ensitue
7 years ago

I’m sure most of us know that Soros fronted $50,000USD for antifa’s recent activities and that payment put Soros in the director’s seat of antifa’s actions. The ‘doe faced girl’ Moldy Locks is a on-line whore who goes by several aliases Venus Rosales being the most used, she often appears semi-nude at Leftist protests. She traveled seven hours to take part in the attack on Trumpsters and was masked and armed w/a beer bottle/sap gloves, she throat punched Blue Shirt Man before he punched her. Though unharmed Venus has raised over $10,000USD for “Needed reconstructive surgery” which, I hope, leads… Read more »

Phil Ossiferz Stone
Phil Ossiferz Stone
7 years ago

For anyone who is seriously interested in such stuff, go to Amazon and grab a copy of Rex Applegate’s ‘Kill Or Get Killed.’ The first half is a distilled version of the training program we put our guys through in WW2, and is worth the money for that. No sheepdog tacticool BS — just how to train your body to react under fire. The second half was written in the Fifties and details the rise of the ‘ideologically inspired’ mob, which at that point was a new and worrying development in both Americas. Read it and you will be staggered… Read more »

Ivar
Ivar
7 years ago

Mocking Spenser may be fun and all, but it is too early to write this off.

Tony
Tony
7 years ago

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/No-Retreat-Dave-Hann/1903854229

I was there at the birth of “Antifa” 😉

European American
European American
7 years ago

When the “real” revolution begins, i.e. things get downright medieval in the streets, they’ll ALL turn on each other.

robins111
robins111
7 years ago

The antifa-thug idiots are essentially those kids that never got picked first for the baseball team, were the fringe nurds at high school and suddenly they dress up in black and they’re tough… Their toughness is about paper thin and the vast majority of them are either bone rack thin betas, or obese cows who otherwise involved in Autistic Screeching about male patriarchal society. In an overwhelming pack they could be dangerous, but the vast majority of their effectiveness lays in their undeserved reputation. I watched those Berkeley riots on video and live stream and my overall opinion was, that… Read more »

robins111
robins111
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

Agreed with all your points, it’s a real downer when they are confronted with the reality of an ass kicking after they’ve made their brags and dressed up in their LARPING gear and all

Garr
Garr
7 years ago

The Fellowship was Alt-Lite: four Anglicans (the Hobbits), two Catholics (Boromir and Aragorn), one Pagan (Legolas), one Orthodox Jew (Gimli), and one Neocon (Gandalf). (Why did Gandalf manipulate a Hobbit into the Erebor-adventure? Because it was good for the Dwarfs! (But not actually bad for the Hobbits, and it paid off when Sauron tried again — one of the “fingers” of Sauron’s “hand” was broken at Erebor.)

Garr
Garr
Reply to  Garr
7 years ago

Dwarves, I mean. (Note Gandalf’s suspiciously Dwarfish beard. Note Wormtongue’s denunciation of Gandalf’s “warmongering.”)

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Garr
7 years ago

That was utterly hilarious!

Thanks.

Member
7 years ago

We can’t even have a proper civil war because the two sides are too enmeshed. There has to be a sorting first, and that’s going to be nasty and bloody. This is the beginning of that sorting.

After that happens it’s likely a divorce will follow and not a civil war, since I don’t think either side cares enough about the other to fight a war to keep the union together. The only fighting will be over valuable real estate.

Thorn
Thorn
7 years ago

“The Z-man doth protest too much, methinks”. First off you seem very invested in putting down Richard Spencer, but he’s already had more impact that all of you right leaning pseudonymous bloggers put together. Aside from having the courage to publish under his real name, he’s also coined a term that is now in constant use by pundits and thinkers across the whole spectrum. To name something is to create it. So, we now have, in large part due to Richard Spencer’s imagination, an alternative to the weak and feckless “conservatism” of Glenn Beck, the National Review, Bill Kristol and… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Thorn
7 years ago

I will make my consistent refrain here: Evict California from the Union and we win. Don’t evict California from the Union and we lose, permanently, beginning in 2024 or 2028.

It’s really that simple. Play the long game.

Guest
Guest
7 years ago

Watched some of the videos. Overall not impressed with the performance of the right. They are disorganized and acted without purpose. The point is not to chase Antifa thugs down the street. The point is to pick a few Antifa targets and beat them so severely that they’ll never consider disrupting a legal gathering again. The headliner seems to be the girl who got punched. The idiot who hit her was clearly identifiable, and has been identified. He could very well be charged with Assault and Battery. And he accomplished nothing. The right needs to mirror the tactics of Antifa.… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Guest
7 years ago

The young woman who got punched was wearing sap gloves and armed with bottles and there are pictures galore. Also the Right was well organized and for a group that disarmed itself at the request of the police did a fine job routing the Left That said this is all ritual combat like Maori or African posturing or like a less bloody Phalanx shoving match . Its hard to tell if it will stay at this level or if idiots will escalate . Displaying weapons especially low lethality weapons requires concern but again is not proof of escalation Even the… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
7 years ago

It appears to me that a bunch of spoiled brats who want to be Bolshevik enforcers are going to be educated in the fact that they’re not tough enough or smart enough. I am totally in favor of education, at any cost!

Teapartydoc
Member
7 years ago

Having lived most of my life in a college town let me just say that the sooner these things are burned to the ground the better.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Teapartydoc
7 years ago

Well, they need to live somewhere, why not keep them isolated in mental ghettoes of ignorant pretentiousness? Keeps them out from underfoot for the rest of us.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Dutch
7 years ago

@ Dutch – Given the average American student is now taking up to six years to graduate with a bachelor’s degree, it’s definitely heading that direction. Keeping these imbeciles broke, stupid and away from the real work force is the best thing that can happen for the rest of us! Better they follow a career at Starbucks than end up in an HR Department where they could do real damage!

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Dutch
7 years ago

The kids don’t stay. The professors do, and since they lowered the voting age college towns are pure hell for normal people. Before the kids got the vote we always had Republican mayors. It was a way townies could give the finger to the profs. Now we get it all the time.

The Bagman
The Bagman
7 years ago

To think that street violence is the same phenomenon as it was in the early 20th century would indeed be a silly mistake. But what’s important here is the destruction of the no-platforming tool of so-called activism. Nobody expects any part of the alt-whatever to become literally Hitler, but when they don’t let violent leftists shut them down that is itself a victory for free speech.

Lulu
Lulu
7 years ago

A lot of these protests will go the day that Satan decides to call George Soros home. And his son goes along to keep him company. The follow-the-money on these groups almost always leads to one of his “foundations” or “organizations”.

Member
Reply to  Lulu
7 years ago

Perhaps. Once George $oro$ is finished I expect he will be folloed by his boy Alex $oro$, currently in a doctoral program at Berkeley. I believe there are other brethren and sistern as well.

Member
Reply to  Lulu
7 years ago

I suspect that when George $oro$ is finished he will be succeeded by his son Alex $oro$, who is currently in a PhD program at Berkeley – curiously enough. I believe there are also other brethren and sistern. The hydra had many heads.

June J
June J
Reply to  Rurik
7 years ago

And young Soros is probably well guarded by armed men.

Lulu
Lulu
7 years ago

Last night’s Fake News had an interview with a delicate-looking doe of a girl who was said to weigh about 90some pounds. Blonde, lovely skin, nose ring, black message tee. But delicate looking. The gist was that she had been a victim because a blonde bully punched her during that Berkeley protest melee. They even had a video. Problem with the video was that it plainly showed her launching her little self quite fiercely, face a-grimace, fisted arms extended for battle, at the blonde bully. She made the first move, like a feral cat. It would have given him at… Read more »

robins111
robins111
Reply to  Lulu
7 years ago

4chan has outed the slim, helpless girl as a hard core antifa, she was bragging on her FB page before the riots, that she was going there to ‘Collect a 100 nazi scalps’ she was also filmed/photo of her throwing wine and whiskey bottles at the Patriots, just seconds before the punch she was using a bottle to club people… Oh yah, she’s also a semi-pro porn star..

Farly Obvi
Farly Obvi
7 years ago

It should go without saying that you won’t see 60s or 30s levels of civil conflict until significant buy-in is made from the state or a powerful external state/org. Antifa can draw blood because they’re backed by the State Dept. and Soros, among other left-wing organs. Meanwhile if a veterans organization of right-wingers so much as farted near the police they’d be arrested and railroaded on terror charge. And yes, Sessions and Trump would do this without question. They’re not even close to brave enough to stand up for right-wing vets in the face of massive leftists opposition. The LARPing… Read more »

JohnTyler
JohnTyler
7 years ago

“….Exactly no one supports Antifa’s political agenda, if they even have one….” Not so sure about that. Imagine that the democratic party (i.e. the party OF Bernie Sanders) had the opportunity to write a new US Constitution. I will venture to guess that it would have zero resemblance to the existing (but increasingly ignored) US Constitution. So far they have not had the opportunity to do this, but they have very successfully circumvented the letter and intent of that document by using alternative methods to impose their agenda (e.g. the federal bureaucracy , the courts and the unprecedented use of… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  JohnTyler
7 years ago

Fascism is just the less retarded sibling of communism. Most of the Antifa idiots couldn’t define the differences between national and international socialism.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
7 years ago

National Socialism and Socialism are two branches of the same tree, the Totalitarianism tree. The distinction is trivial, but that distinction has been exploited for a century to misdirect and confuse the rest of us.

TomA
TomA
7 years ago

These events can be viewed as the symptoms of a metastasizing disease that has infected our society. The rapid growth of government has been fueled by an intentional explosion of the money supply, and now that the host has become fat and lazy, the parasites are multiplying exponentially.

The core problem is not the degradation of social norms and civility, nor even the abdication of responsible governance; it is that our culture is poisoned and it now systemically incentivizes dependence, parasitism, and hive mentality.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

Does anything that happens on a college or university campus today actually affect anything or anyone beyond the campus boundaries? I think not. The snow-flake filled college campus of today has little or nothing to contribute to society other than act as a springboard for Twitter or Facebook rants. And just like their own parents, no one listens to them because no one cares about them. In many ways, college is just another day-care center where they have been tossed out of the way. The really sad part is as soon as they graduate, their voices and opinions will be… Read more »

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

Karl, don’t you realize where Merkel came from? How she was groomed from those formative years? Not for nothing, it couldn’t smack you upside your head any more obvious. The Stazi wasn’t just spying and hunting for enemies of the State. The whole intent is to create a generation of radical chic red diaper babies, who later go on to dominate critical social and cultural platforms, much like the carefully nurtured 50’s and 60’s radical chic who are now in positions of great political and social power and have created their own vision of Amerika. Just look throughout the political… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Doug
7 years ago

@ Doug – Given her ability to lead Germany to becoming one of the strongest Economies in the West, one might argue she wasn’t paying attention in her anti-capitalist, anti-west propaganda courses while working to obtain her doctorate in physics.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

Karl,
the reason for Merkel’s success as a leader is simply that she has been leading Germans. She would leave office with a decent if unremarkable legacy except for (1) her role in dismantling the German fossil and nuclear energy industry and (2) opening the floodgates to hundreds of thousands of violent parasites who despise every value that makes Germany successful.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Lorenzo
7 years ago

@ Lorenzo – I would argue she’s been leading Europe as much as Germany. Personally I favor getting rid of nuclear plants given they produce less than 15% of our energy, but agree that the refugee issue was a huge mistake.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

Karl, don’t you realize where Merkel came from? How she was groomed from those formative years? Not for nothing, the Stazi wasn’t just spying and hunting for enemies of the State. The whole intent is to create a generation of radical chic red diaper babies, who later go on to dominate critical social and cultural platforms, much like the carefully nurtured 50’s and 60’s radical chic who are now in positions of great political and social power and have created their own vision of Amerika. Just look throughout the political and the media class. It is rife with operatives that… Read more »

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

@Karl April 18, 2017 at 12:07

“I would argue she’s been leading Europe as much as Germany.”

It makes Merkel’s European leadership look bad if one considers the condition of Greece, Italy and Spain. Merkel’s high-handed behavior was a big incentive for the UK to leave the EU.

Her record as EU leader is mixed, to say the least.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Lorenzo
7 years ago

@ Lorenzo – The real challenge is she’s up against the EU which can make things problematic. Since the EU is not federalized like the US, this is a very different situation for your presidents over all US states vs. Merkel and the rest of Europe. Make no mistake, with or without the Euro, life in Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal were not going to suddenly improve. When your economy is based on olives and cork, there’s not much one can do. At least Czech, Poland and Hungary had an established industrial base (thanks to pre-WW2 Germany) so their respective… Read more »

hosswire
hosswire
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
7 years ago

WRONG.

As the twig is bent, so goes the tree.

Universities are where young people are taught what & how to think about the world, then credentialed to go out and run it eventually.

The poison that gets dripped into the students’ minds there today gets recirculated in broader society for the rest of their lives.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
7 years ago

The serious aspect is the state actors who were complicit in the violence until there were two sides fighting. The police, obviously on orders, only did their jobs once it was obvious AntiFas might be maimed or worse as they attacked innocent people. The state actors had chosen and had done so poorly. I don’t care much for artificial distinctions such as Alt-Lite, Alt-Right, whatever. It boils down to civilizational vs. dyscivilizational. You either want to shut down speech or protect it. You either believe in the pillars of Western Civilization or you don’t. You either surrender or you don’t… Read more »

Member
7 years ago

Also, there is a political dialogue in this, with echoes of the Trump election and other recent political events:

Antifa/PC left: “Shut up!”

Alt-Light: “Fuck you!”

It might not seem that profound, or trying to change anybody’s mind, but I think it’s significant. The left doesn’t have an argument, so they’re not trying to make one. They are all in on silencing heresy. The right has rolled over for so long, this attitude of “Fuck you” is shiny and new, and refreshingly contagious by my observation.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  Taco_Town
7 years ago

The Oath Keeper element seemed to be a new player in Berkeley. If that was the case and expands, then you may see more of a Freikorps element to future clashes. While I’m sure there are some hard core elements within the Anti-fa group, many seem to just be hangers on looking to virtue signal or get chicks. If that runs up against hardened ex-military types who have no qualms about offering the option of “entrails in, or entrails out?” then the dynamic will change in a hurry.

Member
Reply to  Saml Adams
7 years ago

There were also some biker gang members in attendance on the free speech side from what I’ve read.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Taco_Town
7 years ago

The relative acronym of the Hard-Right for F-You is “BFYTW”. The whole idea of the lefts violence is to define the visual narrative, and through measured carefully applied stages of violence as a means is to goad the leftists enemy into reacting with violence, in order to use that as a means to do things they can’t otherwise. But they must be extremely careful, hence the operatives on the ground directing anitfa, or it can backfire on them. The primal thing is the armed America that lies dormant, but ever more watchful, so what looks like a bunch of natty… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Doug
7 years ago

That’s one of the weird dynamics. The mean old combat vets like me – with long guns in the attic – aren’t much interested in street brawling for fun and don’t live anywhere near Berkeley or NYC. Thanks to the all-volunteer military and the constant low-level wars for the past 15 years, there are a lot of us – and the vast majority who served in combat arms are on the conservative side.

But, if it really came to open ideological warfare, we could pretty quickly form up into units that would put the Freikorps to shame.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Drake
7 years ago

Right. There is all the difference in the world between an ideology so repugnant that it must use force and violence to obtain power over others, to force it’s ideology up everyones arse, as we are witnessing in living color, using paid actors funded by domestic and foreign enemies.
And the natural born conditions of self determination and primal liberty, and all that implies

Bill Jones
Bill Jones
Reply to  Doug
7 years ago

Modern firearms are of course, like most of life, an invention of white men. It is they who own the vast majority of serious firearms and they who spend time at the ranges and gun clubs.

Why Trayvon, Tanika and Shekela, Rachael or Anderson think it is a good thing to promote violence against them is just more evidence of how mindlessly stupid these people are

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Bill Jones
7 years ago

@ Bill Jones – One might argue that point further to say “Modern firearms are … an invention of white European men.” 🙂 But to your point, little of value has come from the African continent (or the Middle East) in the last 2,000 years – with the recent exception of Israel.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Taco_Town
7 years ago

You can not ignore the forest for the trees. You have to think outside standard Normy perceptions and discover the underlying intent and the actors directing it, what their motives and ultimate goals are.
A few paid astroturf shitstirrer’s in ski masks sucker punching and spraying mace in unprepared people’s faces is a set-up for much larger things.

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Member
7 years ago

In my opinion there are some big picture considerations: 1. While Antifa might not be directly representative of the mainstream left, the mainstream left sure is cheering them on, enabling them, and covering up their sins in left wing media coverage. 2. Antifa is the most extreme example of the PC thought police trying to silence heresy, in their case with mild violence. That mild violence being met with the same mild violence and being beaten back is no small thing. 3. As somebody else mentioned, Antifa looks like a bunch of kids, but the right wing participants were mostly… Read more »

TWS
TWS
Reply to  Taco_Town
7 years ago

The left always supports its criminals and fighters. They’ll even get cushy govt jobs and invited to the white house.

Russian Limbaugh
Russian Limbaugh
Reply to  Taco_Town
7 years ago

Sargon DISHONESTLY AND ON PURPOSE misrepresents Richard Spencer’s group that was at the White House protesting Trump. Lying by omission that Spencer and his group went there and just shouted ANTI-WHITE over and over again. Actually they were being shouted at in slogans by a larger group of antifa five feet away from them. Spencer initially was there protesting TRUMP and a possible War with Syria. So obviously there was no point for dialogue at that stage. Sargon then edits in a clip of a regular joe speaking at the Berkeley event, hundreds of feet away from all of the… Read more »

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
7 years ago

Spoiled brats and their professors trying to live vicariously through them.

Filling their heads full of nonsense about the “good old days”.

It’s one thing to put on your little black Halloween costume and beat up some senior citizen and completely different when some blue-collar guy gives you a punch in the jaw.

Perhaps the lonely efforts of “based stickman” has encouraged other folks on the right to come out and do battle with these knuckleheads.

I see these Berklee kids folding pretty quickly. Now picking a fight in the ghetto ?

That’s a completely different story

Member
Reply to  sirlancelot
7 years ago

Maybe one of those black-clad thugs is going to try beating up some senior citizen who remembers his year in the Au-Shau Valley and has a concealed carry permit.

onezeno
7 years ago

I don’t tend to disagree with you, but I’m surprised you dismiss this as silly theatrics. Perhaps it isn’t. Both sides seem to be testing out mass organized violence against each other. Sure, it’s non-lethal, but civil war doesn’t erupt out of thin air. It escalates. How can you be so sure the alt-right won’t be around if things get real serious and lethal force become the norm? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but how can you know you’re right? Perhaps their mantra is not “look at us pretending to be violent as long as it’s safe.” Maybe it’s “we’re… Read more »

Walt
Member
Reply to  onezeno
7 years ago

In Weimar Germany, the average age was about University student age. In California today, whitey is mostly old and waving his fist at a cloud. Weimar Germans also suffered genuine hunger and displacement. That can make a man real angry. Americans have air-conditioning and cheap french fries. That said, white guys throughout history who have had their purpose taken away get violent. The robots might be taking over but there will soon be millions of well-educated white men with too much time on their hands. The cloud folk can’t control them now and it will get worse. History keeps rhyming.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  onezeno
7 years ago

This is an interesting time. Will the authorities wake up and clamp down on this crap?

Will the leftists escalate? Noam Chomsky is warning against violence because he knows the right is better at it. But these people seem unhinged and well funded.

If they escalate – and start throwing real bombs and pulling triggers, what then?

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Drake
7 years ago

Reading my own post feels like the end of an episode of “Soap”. Sorry.

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  Drake
7 years ago

The sad part? We are all old enough to get the reference to “Soap.”

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  onezeno
7 years ago

Watching the Berkeley Youtubes, I see a disorganized but tough bunch of guys out to protect each other and the innocents against a shadowy but slightly more organized group of people dressed in black and coached to cause trouble. It is tough to figure out the Antifa side because they hide and disguise themselves. But what I see on the other side is a bunch of people that probably couldn’t articulate much of a philosophy or coherent reasoning for being there, other than that they personally and collectively have had enough of this Antifa BS and are there to crack… Read more »

TWS
TWS
Reply to  onezeno
7 years ago

They backed off after the cops were ambushed at the blm riots. I would be surprised to see something like that happen again. Apparently Soros et al have stopped using blacks as their ‘shock troops’. My guess is they realized the shooting looked really bad and they assumed they could ‘ride the tiger’ but found out the tiger was a tiger and not an ox. Now they use much more ‘colorful’ but more easily controlled college students. While they talk about guns and knives most have zero familiarity with real violence whereas most black folks have at least one relative… Read more »

robins111
robins111
Reply to  TWS
7 years ago

Maybe, but remember just a week ago the antifa-thug crowd released video of their crack ‘Airsoft and Pellet Gun Armed Teams’ be afraid, very afraid lol

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  onezeno
7 years ago

Yes, theatre now, but I read posts by Antifa/Commie leaders last nite & they made it clear they intend to start arming themselves in areas of the country where legal. We’ll see, I suppose, but I wouldn’t count these heavily methed out freaks to kill someone.

gebrauchshund
gebrauchshund
7 years ago

More like bored, spoiled children coloring on the neighbor’s house. They know he’ll be pissed, which is half the fun, and they don’t like him anyway, ’cause he’s a big poopyhead. As you said, they also know that even if mom is pissed, she’ll still back them over the neighbor. Then the neighbor finally gets fed up and cracks a couple heads, and both the kids and mom are aghast. If they just stuck to messing up their own house nobody would care, but getting attention, any attention, seems to be the overriding need.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  gebrauchshund
7 years ago

College seems to be about getting accepted at an elite institution, and then crapping all over it. Vandalism of sorts. The colleges are going to need to make a stand at some point, or its all over for them. My 35th reunion is coming up at one of the private schools that has been in the news a lot lately. They are always on about how special they are (I thought it was kind of BS even back in the day). And they always have their hands out to add to their billion dollar endowment from the meager giving of… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Dutch
7 years ago

I may skip my 35th. Don’t know if I can handle it. Diversity. Tolerance. Inclusion. Hard alcohol banned on campus.

Rod1963
Rod1963
7 years ago

Nothing more than a initial skirmish. Though there is nothing to say it can’t get bloodier. All it takes if for someone to whip out a Bowie and go to town. . That said, I like the Alt-Lite folks, they have cajones and won’t roll over. It maybe theater to some, it does however send a message that only violence can do – hit us and we’ll hit back. None of the roll over and play dead stuff conservatives normally do when confronted by thugs and bullies. If anything it illustrates a serious problem with those on the Right. No… Read more »

Ripple
Ripple
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

How would you define the differences between alt-right and alt-lite?

Doug
Doug
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

What is wrong about an adherence to Western culture being a white thing Z?
You do understand white Christian men of the west are the Kulak’s of todays cultural marxists cultural revolution.

Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

The Alt-Light is definitely intellectually suspect, but to accuse the Alt-Right of “not having thought it through very well” is pretty absurd. Their ideas stand up to a pretty rigorous examination. The Alt-Light is typically a transitory phase one goes through to get to the Alt-Right. Anybody trying to set up shop in the Alt-Light eventually finds themselves inhabiting an intellectual no-mans-land.

James LePore
Member
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

If the brothers take on Antifa, the media coverage will end.

Member
Reply to  James LePore
7 years ago

Only until the coroner’s wagons start showing up.

Wade Garrett
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

How can you call the alt-right a no-show when the most infamous scene from the day was IE leader Nathan Damigo punching out moldylocks? There were plenty of alt-right guys out there with Black Sun shields throwing roman salutes. Don’t be so quick to let your perception cloud the facts. And keep an eye on Auburn tonight. Spencer and a large coalition from the alt-right are likely to have a showdown with antifa.

Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai
Reply to  Wade Garrett
7 years ago

Exactly. Please note that it was NOT in the media’s interests to show a bunch of fashy young Alt-Righters giving antifa a beat-down. Better for them to cut their propaganda losses and focus on the Alt-light attendees (who certainly pulled their weight according to reports from participants in the melee) than give any credit to the Alt-Right.

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  thezman
7 years ago

I’m pushing back on this idea, Z. Nathan Damigo, AKA, pocket Nazi, AKA, blue shirt who punched Moldylocks & his Identity Europa guys were some of the largest and most physical of all of the guys out there. They were mostly in shirts and pants with the Alt-Liters LARPing in flag & cartoon hero attire. In DC last week, the only punches thrown against Antifa were by a few hardcore WNers. Don’t be fooled by the rhetoric of who’s doing what and why. Besides, anyone not Impressed with “Paul Williams,” in the wine dress shirt kicking ass? Lol I call… Read more »

Old Codger
Old Codger
7 years ago

My favorite shot was that nasty Ho with rasta dreds getting clocked right between the eyes by the dude in the blue shirt! Too funny! Bet she was a feminist SJW who believes the differences between men and womyn are mere social constructs.
Well, that social construct nailed her ugly puss!

Buford T Pusser
Buford T Pusser
Reply to  Old Codger
7 years ago

Check out the “before college and after college” pics of the rasta dredded gal that got punched. Her “before Berkley ” pics were of a normal , wholesome , PRETTY young lady . Her “after Berkley ” pics were the rat haired , nasty , dreadlocked horror you see all over the net. It is tragic the transformation. I am telling you college is toxic for kids.

Member
Reply to  Buford T Pusser
7 years ago

It was also revealed that she has done pornography. Hooray college!

Cloudswrest
Cloudswrest
Reply to  Old Codger
7 years ago

Her new Internet code name is “Moldylocks” by the way.

Member
Reply to  Cloudswrest
7 years ago

You, sir, owe me a keyboard!

I’m totally stealing that one.

Buford T Pusser
Buford T Pusser
7 years ago

Still wasn’t it cool to lay a beating on those Antifa(g)s ?? It was mostly theater as you say but it was amplified by social media so it may have more of an effect than you think… Maybe at a more “normie” university these AntiFaLarpers will think twice about disrupting another speaker. Anne Coulter is scheduled to speak on 27 april so that should be quite a show….