Sweet Home Venezuela

News brings word that things in Venezuela, over the last few weeks, have gotten as ugly as a West Virginia tailgate. Instead of people throwing bags of urine at one another, which is the custom in Morgantown, the locals are throwing “poop bombs” at the police. In the age of fake news, this could be a totally made up story, but it is not implausible. For some reason, flinging crap at people is something that comes naturally to people. I guess it is the ultimate sign of disrespect. Or, maybe some people just like throwing poop.

Searching the archive, I see I have never written a post about Venezuela and I have mentioned the place just eight times in three years. Given that I have cranked out 1.4 million words in three years, it is same to assume that Venezuela does not rank very high on my list of interests. The one interesting thing about the place, at least to me, is they have some of the most dangerous prisons on earth. Each prison is a self-regulating island, where the prisoners run everything inside, and the guards make sure they stay inside.

For a while, American libertarians tried hard to make Hugo Cavez a bogeyman worth our attention and Venezuela an example of what happens when you anger the god’s of Von Mises. Chavez tried hard to do his part, but the day of the macho socialist dictator has past, at least for American elites. The ideal leader for the managerial elite is the childless powerskirt or the sexually ambiguous fop. Chavez just reminded the swells of the guy that cuts their grass. It’s hard to make a bogeyman out of Pablo the lawn guy.

Chavez was a ridiculous gasbag, for sure, but Venezuela is not exactly Wellesley Massachusetts either. When Chavez came to power, the per capita GDP was roughly $5,000. The average IQ is 84, which is in the same band as most Arab countries. There’s not a lot of human capital, but they have oil that is easy to access. By the time Chavez shuffled off this mortal coil, per capita GDP was over $12,000. How much of that made it to the people is another story. In all probability, the oil profits were stolen.

This is a familiar pattern in low-IQ countries. The relatively small cohort of smart people have no illusions about their ability to elevate their people. In fact, they are usually taught this from birth. Instead of making their country better, they make their own lives better by exploiting the mass of stupid people around them. The per capita GDP of Equatorial Guinea is the same as Venezuela, but the people live like cavemen, while the Esanguii clan of my good friend Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo live like royalty.

The point is that the ceiling for places like Venezuela is not very high, relative to the West and their capacity for honest government is also limited. Strangely, countries like Venezuela are not made better by vast natural wealth. Instead they are made worse because they have something worth stealing and something worth stealing is worth killing for too. The result is the people running the place will kill as many people as possible to maintain control of the nation’s oil wealth.

It’s not the policies or institutions. It’s the people in charge of the place. It’s not that they are misguided or in error. They know exactly what they are doing. They are big fish and they are doing what big fish always do and that’s eat the small fish, which happen to be the population of low-IQ Mestizos. The fact that they are willing to starve their own people tells you they are not the sort of guys worried about the nuances of tax policy. They are hard men running a rough country the hard way.

The other thing worth mentioning is Venezuelans are not campus snowflakes. The murder rate is twice that of our worst cities. It’s hard to know the exact figures. The government is so corrupt, no one can trust their numbers. Even so, it is one of the most dangerous countries on earth. It is safe to assume that the people are willing to employ rough justice, but somehow they are unable to do anything about their government. There are protests and minor street rebellions, but not at a level high enough to destabilize the government.

Maybe things just need to get a bit worse before the people throw over their rulers or maybe the people in charge have such an edge that the people can never throw over their rulers. Perhaps we have reached a point where technology has allowed even a wildly corrupt ruling class to maintain power in the face of popular unrest. They can use spies, mass media propaganda and control of commerce to keep a lid on things. We may have reached a point where revolution is impossible, even in a craphole like Venezuela.

The news tells us that Venezuelans are eating zoo animals. Again, it could be made up, but there is no doubt there are serious food shortages. If a relatively violent people are eating their pets, yet unwilling to turn on the local officials, what are the odds that the pampered pussies of Western nations will push back against their rulers? Our superiors are smarter and better able to keep us fat, dumb and happy. The lesson of Venezuela is that our rulers can probably get away with a hell of a lot more, if they want.

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Member
3 years ago

Flinging poop seems to be a part of our primate heritage. It will have to do until you evolve enough to invent the hand grenade.

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
Reply to  Rurik
3 years ago

It happens a lot in prison. They call it “gassing” (which is usually a mixture of feces and urine cultivated by prisoners and fermented, then thrown into the face of prison staff). I saw a documentary on the Long Kesh prison riots (the Irish hunger strikes) and Bobby Sands had pretty much covered his cell walls in feces; it’s a sign of a totally disordered, broken down mind in civilized people who’ve been isolated for too long. If it comes naturally to you and not as a result of extended captivity (as it apparently does to these protesters), then it… Read more »

Ganderson
Ganderson
Reply to  Joey Junger
3 years ago

Yet another Bobby Sands reference. Three in one week?

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
Reply to  Ganderson
3 years ago

What were the first two? And are you keeping track, and if so…why? Did you lose someone in the Troubles? Is it a subject I should be treading lightly around?

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Joey Junger
3 years ago

Sands shouldn’t be honored.

Libertymike
Member
Reply to  Mike
3 years ago

He was always starving for attention.

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

I doubt that much will change until they escalate to explosive diarrhea.

Member
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Turn your back and fire a Parthian sh!t.

Giovanni Dannato
Member
3 years ago

You answer your own question. They are low IQ and therefore unable to resist effectively until they are overwhelmingly desperate. This standard does not equate to higher IQ cohorts, who will shiv you in the liver when you least expect it once they realize they’re being stiffed, even if they already live far above 3rd world standards. Proles have disorganized revolts when they get hungry. A disgruntled upper middle class starts a revolution. It’s when you have that emergency session to raise funding in parliament or estates-general when you really have to worry. The guys who now rule Venezuela don’t… Read more »

Tim Newman
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

A disgruntled upper middle class starts a revolution.

Yes this, in spades. It is never the peasants, but the upper middle classes.

Garr
Garr
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

Yes — I recall Dutch explaining in some detail here, and plausibly, how he and his West Virginian friends would defeat mech-suited stormtroopers. By the way — remember those stories about how the average Venezuelan had lost 19 pounds? But the accompanying photos of rioters didn’t support that claim at all — they looked about as healthy as the residents of my Brooklyn neighborhood. So maybe it’s not the rioters who are really suffering? But that would indicate that the rioters aren’t the suffering multitude. The Iranian mass-protests were crushed a few years ago — those protesters were middle-class kids,… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Garr
3 years ago

Not me. I’m Californian (living in the belly of the beast, I am). Speaking of Iranians, an Iranian friend in college, back in ’79, described his going home and protesting as the Shah was going down. They would march in the streets against the regime, until such time as the thugs armed with bats sent out by the Shah would turn up, at which point they would switch sides until the thugs moved on. Then they would switch back. Sort of a combination of a higher IQ survival skillset, combined with an upper middle class uprising, as previously discussed.

Garr
Garr
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

Oh, sorry. Doug, maybe. It was only the “D” that stuck in my mind, I guess.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

You guys are talking at cross purposes about different events.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  bilejones
3 years ago

Different events, same culture. The Iranian kids are opportunistic about speaking up when they can get away with it. Things went sideways during their protests a few years ago, so they blended back into society until such time as another opportunity arises. The Persians seem to be rather clever people to me.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Garr
3 years ago

The Iranian mass-protests were just one more (failed) example of the color revolutions that the West’s elites – primarily Soros of course, have done so much damage with in the past 20 odd years.

If all the signs are preprinted in English it’s called a clue.

El Bucho
El Bucho
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

Part of the issue there, as well as in Puerto Rico, is that the government have prepared themselves for this situation. In PR happened in the early 1940’s, Venezuela just did it recently: confiscate all personal guns and make it extremely difficult to possess one. That, my friends, is the difference here. You may have chaos in cities like NYC or LA, however, you will not see something like that in the middle of WVA. When the time comes, it will be ugly.

guest
guest
Reply to  El Bucho
3 years ago

Exactly. And apropos to Zman’s casual observation that ” If a relatively violent people are eating their pets, yet unwilling to turn on the local officials, what are the odds that the pampered pussies of Western nations will push back against their rulers? Our superiors are smarter and better able to keep us fat, dumb and happy. The lesson of Venezuela is that our rulers can probably get away with a hell of a lot more, if they want.” I doubt it. There are way too many people with way too many guns here. Sure, a lot of people will… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

‘Ol Remus had a great post (now taken down) on what a Middle Class revolt would look like (ugly and brutal). Maybe why the Left hates the Middle Class so much.

http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=23014

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

The always interesting Charles Hughes Smith wrote something along the lines of Ol Remus the other day. Though he couched it in milder terms barely hinting at the potential for underlying violent rebellion of the middle class, but exemplifying the reasons and perils of revolution:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-11/mao-american-middle-class-whats-source-political-power

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

“who will shiv you in the liver when you least expect it ”

What a great line! Perfect clarity, nothing ambiguous about it, directly to the point.

Mark_Taylor
Member
3 years ago

Unless Venezuela is filled with people substantially different from the countries around it this explanation isn’t that satisfying. It’s in the news because it’s problems are bad even for South America’s standards.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Mark_Taylor
3 years ago

What makes Venezuela substantially different from the countries around it is the oil, not the people.

Mark_Taylor
Member
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

Colombia next door also has significant oil reserves as do other Douth American countries. So it’s not substantially different. Accepting the low IQ is an explanation it only leads to the question of what decisions low IQ people make that caused their entire economy to collapse that smart people don’t make.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Mark_Taylor
3 years ago

I was agreeing with Z’s point that part of the problem with Venezuela is that they had something worth stealing – a well-developed oil industry. There is a big difference between “reserves” and actual oil revenue.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

And the problem is the Venezuelan crude is high sulfur “sour” oil that requires specialized extraction equipment and refinery capacity–and a very high maintenance expense. The Chavistas decided to do away with the engineers and capex, hence it is all falling apart and product is dropping like a rock. Funny thing about Venezuela–it’s a lather-rinse-repeat kind of place. My old man was a developer in South Florida and one of their mainstay businesses in the 70s/80s was Venezuelan flight capital. Families used to show up and buy an entire floor of condo units in Miami–for cash. They rented them and… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  SamlAdams
3 years ago

Maybe all places are “lather-rinse-repeat”, but some have a much longer cycle than others. The old “does history repeat or are we actually getting somewhere?” argument. Guess I fall on the “history repeats” side of things.

White hat
White hat
Reply to  Mark_Taylor
3 years ago

I have noticed a lot of ordinary people moving into Columbia and other South American countries because THEY become the elite class. As a location on the planet South America is beautiful.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  White hat
3 years ago

Yep, and California is a damn beautiful place too! But I hate living there now for all the nitwits who run the place and are driving it into the ground. I left and haven’t looked back.

So all depends on what you want along with your cup ‘o tea. Yes, South American is beautiful from a landscape perspective but with low IQ’s and low progress and poverty and crime and corruption, well, kinda takes the sheen off the bloom. Much like the US is becoming also.

Member
3 years ago

The way most individuals’ traits develop is part nature and part nurture. Just pointing this out again to the people who are fixated with IQ.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  TempoNick
3 years ago

um, like you?

Member
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

There are so many things that people treat as gospel that need to be questioned. Climate change is one of them. So is carbon dating and whether or not the concept of IQ captures all facets of intelligence or not.

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
Reply to  TempoNick
3 years ago

your use of the word “all” is a tell

Walt
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 years ago

It’s true. A lot of capable kids are held back from higher education/status by circumstance beyond their control. Look at the Dems or UK Labour. Good working class people are being politically excluded by middle-class scum. Then they wonder why they can’t get us to vote for them….

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  TempoNick
3 years ago

Nature and nurture. Not much argument there. But the prevailing culture calls it all nurture (and manipulates that nurturing to its own ends) and ignores nature entirely. In their world, IQ differences don’t exist.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

You are right Dutch. In the Left’s world, everyone is equal and should be made/given equal everything. Just a small matter of programming. Maybe you software guys remember that one, a SMOP. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Human beings … just a little behavior modification … a little socialist nudge here and there and everything will be fine and dandy all around! Yeah, imagine!

Nulle Terre Sans Seigneur
3 years ago

> Strangely, countries like Venezuela are not made better by vast natural > wealth. Instead they are made worse because they have something > worth stealing and something worth stealing is worth killing for too. The > result is the people running the place will kill as many people as possible > to maintain control of the nation’s oil wealth. This is the so-called “resource curse.” As to your comment on big fish preying on small fish (low-IQ mestizos) and saying it’s people not policies, that seems like a codetermined variable: people enacting bad policies. But the policies would still… Read more »

Joey Junger
Joey Junger
3 years ago

The best template for how to be a tinpot dictator and make it last for as long as possible was probably Ghadafi. He never really nationalized Libyan oil; he kept some for his country and sold the rest to wildcats willing to outbid the seven sisters, and used some of that money and assorted kickbacks to make life bearable for those loyal to him. This way, he got to look like he was giving the West (and Israel) the finger, while still doing enough business with the West to keep us from raining fire on him (until Hilligula the Cackling,… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Joey Junger
3 years ago

Taking down Ghadafi has to be the single dumbest foreign policy move in my lifetime. Some (Iran and Afghanistan) may have been more costly in the long run, but none had results so predictably bad.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

We decide to publicly take out the only guy who decided to give up his nuclear weapons quest, under Western pressure. Do I need to go any further? Real smart move there, guys.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

Do we really know that he gave up anything? How do we know? Who said so? That is one story I never believed and is probably why so much CIA and State Dept. chaos resulted from his downfall.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  LetsPlay
3 years ago

Doesn’t matter. If the other tinpot loonies working on nukes believe that Ghadafi was taken out by us only after giving up his nukes, then the others will have learned their lesson well, and whether or not Ghadafi was working on any nukes or gave anything up is irrelevant.

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

I think you meant Iraq and not Iran, unless you were thinking of The Shah, and not Saddam Hussein. But both qualify in my book to matching your description for stupid.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Joey Junger
3 years ago

i miss mohmar. he had style so lacking in most of his type. those east german lady body guards were pure cinema. sigh, not a good ending though, with a sword up your ass.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

Badass Robert Palmer video girls indeed.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Joey Junger
3 years ago

Hillary and co. pulled the same play in the 90’s Balkan Spring.

james wilson
james wilson
3 years ago

Let it not be said that this is democracy gone wrong.

Krass92
Krass92
3 years ago

” Instead of making their country better, they make their own lives better by exploiting the mass of stupid people around them”

Sounds like Russian elites, unfortunately.

J-Dawg
J-Dawg
Reply to  Krass92
3 years ago

Sounds like American elites.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  J-Dawg
3 years ago

sounds like elites

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

Yes, elites everywhere!

Doug
Doug
Reply to  LetsPlay
3 years ago

I’m with you guys.
Is there any fundamental differences between “our” own dear sweet elites and Venezuala’s?
Except for lot of us American’s are armed to the teeth, and “our” elites are cognizant of the difference, there fore tread more carefully and are that much more cunning in how the go about the same essential corruption?

Krass92
Krass92
3 years ago

“Instead of making their country better, they make their own lives better by exploiting the mass of stupid people around them”

Sounds like Russian elites, unfortunately.

Ron
Ron
3 years ago

Your grim but accurate essay confirms my deepest fears—Mankind has devolved to the point were fecal matter matters, and fascinates us to no end that which comes from our rear ends. We should have seen this coming decades ago, with the infamous subsidized sponsored art made from body waste and displayed in a prestigious NY art museum. What shocked us then now is embraced and celebrated as the true essence of progressive mankind turning regressive. We used to build beautiful cathedrals to raise our eyes towards heaven. Now our view looks downward to porcelain bowls to admire the contents therein.… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Ron
3 years ago

“The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”

Garr
Garr
Reply to  RDittmar
3 years ago

“… while the worst are full of [fecal matter]”?

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Ron
3 years ago

why not take solace from the cathedrals already built? maybe even visit one.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Ron
3 years ago

Speaking of fecal matters, I recall from the early ’70s that the San Diego Zoo had a gorilla enclosure that was open and elevated, relative to the area populated by the human visitors. The apes loved to fling their poo at the humans. They would pace back and forth with it, watching the people shout and react. Eventually, the poo would be flung, a cry would go up, and someone would get shat upon. The scene was quite popular with the visitors. Always struck me as a version of the Roman circus, along with something about the special cherished place… Read more »

LetsPlay
LetsPlay
Member
Reply to  Ron
3 years ago

We need to crack some skulls with some tainted porcelain bowls!

Tim Newman
3 years ago

It’s not the policies or institutions. It’s the people in charge of the place. It’s not that they are misguided or in error. They know exactly what they are doing. They are big fish and they are doing what big fish always do and that’s eat the small fish, which happen to be the population of low-IQ Mestizos. Permit me, if I may, to quote from a post I wrote at the end of my 3-year assignment in Nigeria: “I didn’t see a shred of difference between the top politicians, down through the officials in the national authorities, through the… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Tim Newman
3 years ago

My Malian brother-in-law has been trying to run businesses in Africa for many years now. Evaporative cooling, solar power generation and the like. The government encourages such enterprise with huge tax breaks. On the flip side, every business license issuer, inspector, shipper, and other petty official requires constant small payoffs. The inventory and equipment must be locked up and under guard at all times, and the guards themselves quietly expect constant small monetary supplements as well. It is how the system works. The sum total of all the constant small cash expenditures just happens to soak up essentially all the… Read more »

Renegade Third Worlder
Reply to  Tim Newman
3 years ago

Exactly. In the Venezuelan case the only difference is that before Chávez, there was a ruling class composed of upper class-white creoles who ruled since 1958 under a social-democratic model that allowed them to bamboozle the mestizos with all kinds of petro-dollar financed welfare goodies, keeping them happy enough to keep the votes rolling while they transferred billions to Swiss bank accounts. When oil prices tanked in the 80’s, and the creoles had no choice but to cut down on the welfare, Chávez irrupted into the political scene, basically promising his fellow mestizos he would avenge the creole corruption and… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
3 years ago

Another reason why there is no revolution in Venezuela is Miami. IOW, local elite, now out of power, who might otherwise have put themselves at the head of an opposition movement all have houses and money there financed by the $$$ they’d siphoned off (or earned). So no elite with their backs to the wall = no revolt.

Tim Newman
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 years ago

Yes, also worth mentioning that the white collar workers who got fired from PDVSA were all snapped up and now live abroad.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 years ago

wouldn’t any insurection technically be a counter-revolution? that bolivar palaver and so forth.

Teapartydoc
Member
3 years ago

There was a banned book in the Philippines about corruption in the Marcos regime entitled Some Are Smarter Than Others. Your take on Venezuelan leadership reminded me of this. When reading the book one gets the idea that they were anything but smart. Getting into power takes a certain amount of savvy but keeping it merely requires ruthlessness. When the “coup” was starting in Turkey, I immediately told those around me that Erdogan had stolen a page out of Marcos’ playbook. I felt sorry for the poor saps that went along with it. Even some of the guys who were… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Teapartydoc
3 years ago

i think someone made a movie about that: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042352/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

Reality is actually more surreal. I still can’t believe I was talking to those guys.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Teapartydoc
3 years ago

what took you there?

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

The guy was a distant relative. No one had given me any heads up about him. Like some deep family secret. And no one ever talked about what he did or how he got where he was, except his friends when they were drunk, and then I had trouble believing what I was hearing. I had to piece everything together from conversations and events I saw and found out everything his drunk buddies had said was only the tip of the iceberg. The story I told might seem pointless to a lot of people, but the point is that life… Read more »

praxis
praxis
3 years ago

Wow I lived in Morgantown for 25 years and its news to me about the local custom you mentioned.

scrivener3
3 years ago

Its not genetic determinism: people in low IQ countries are destined for bad lives. Ideas matter. The people of North Korea are very similar to the people of South Korea but the latter live lives of misery. The people of East Germany are very similar to the people of West Germany.

Garr
Garr
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Prussians are slightly Polish? North Koreans are slightly- … what?

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Garr
3 years ago

retarded

scrivener3
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

People in 1997 People’s Republic of China faced shortages of everything and had been stagnating for for 55 years. People in 2017 People’s republic 20 years later are materially much better off. The people of Chile now enjoy an enviable life compared to pre-Pinochet Chile. I don’t think it was due to migration. The USA was losing its unique culture long before mass migration. Wilson’s ideas would be anathema to almost everyone living in 19th century America yet in his time he won the presidency. Its true many people coming in have no appreciation for freedom, rule of law, and… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

yeah, and it’s about 6 feet below grade.

TWS
TWS
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

There are floors then there are floors. You can hit Poland post WWII or the Congo, well anytime.

I’ll take the floor that doesn’t include eating pygmies or chopping kid’s arms off.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  scrivener3
3 years ago

it wasn’t mass migration that killed our culture, it was mass media. anyone alive and aware from the early 60’s onward has seen it first hand. Zman, you might be a little too young to have seen it first hand. and the same thing is happening the world over; exposure to mass media produces the same changes in any society. if anything, some of the other society’s are seeing even more severe changes to their traditions. chinese youth are even more addicted to social media, and video games, than here. mexicans like coca cola and shitty tv, even more than… Read more »

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Fun theory: Why do N Europeans have a higher average IQ_? Answer: Mushrooms_! N Europeans LOVE wild mushrooms but, as Z man says, it’s hard to tell the poisonous from the edible. They’re free food for the taking in an otherwise unfriendly environment. Yet to eat them and live you need considerable study, discernment, the ability to reason from cause to effect and the ability to conduct experiments (feed the questionable ones to fido, only one type at a time, and see what happens). So, only the more intelligent mushroom pickers survive to reproduce the next generation. Q.E.D. Hey, this… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 years ago

i always figured the smarter (relatively) members of a tribe would get the village dummy to take new plants for a “test drive”.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Al from da Nort
3 years ago

Did you read about how the rise in use of tobacco interestingly parallels the rise and fall of western technology and prosperity?

Doug
Doug
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

So are you saying something in your post involving revolution that that we are missing for something else? Or is it how people revolt against their elites is based on IQ, or is it based on nature verses nurture how people conduct themselves in regards to revolution? I know how I would conduct myself, and it isn’t by flinging pooh or bags of urine, it would be by using my intelligence, my resources, my associations, carefully and strategically applied. About the only thing I could potentially sling would be lead. Regardless of a few in Morgantown slinging urine, West Virginians… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
3 years ago

i see what you did there 🙂 we are not Venezuela…yet. the best thing any bigger country could do, is take over the oil fields and run them properly. then give everyone an allowance.

the alternative of course is to kill off half the peasants, once in awhile as they are un-necessary to your plans.

Oldfart
Oldfart
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

That’s “kinda” what is done in Alaska. A lot of the oil is being pumped from State (Alaskan) land, so the royalties are invested and the profit from those are distributed to the people.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

if you haven’t caught on Karl, it sure looks like killing off half those peasants is taking shape in the early forms of cultural marxist sponsored genocide against white western men of the west.
They are making a big mistake if you ask me. Most men of the west are the most tolerant people until we aren’t, then we become the most fierce warriors imaginable that don’t stop till we do.

Bill Jo ez
Bill Jo ez
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

Alternately we could just leave them alone.

Timbotoo
Timbotoo
3 years ago

Hell Z, that’s the most depressing take on Venezuela I’ve seen in some time. In the glory days of the 4th Republic (pre Chavez) the country was noted for having the largest percentage middle class in Latin America. In fact, when Chavez was elected and cosying up to Fidel, any spoken concern was poopooed and the speaker informed that “this wasn’t Cuba or 1960”. Well, guess what? The middle class has now almost vanished, relocated to Florida and parts yonder. Cubans are installed in all the institutions and Maduro takes his orders from Raul. I lived for 15 years in… Read more »

TWS
TWS
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

How much has the US contributed to the stagnation of Latin America just by being an escape valve for the poor and rich who would otherwise be revolutionaries?

TWS
TWS
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

My grandmother was Californios Spanish. Her family arrived before the American Revolution. She looked nothing like the dumpy folks you see cleaning rooms at the Disney resort. More like Catherine Zeta Jones (I know, she’s Welsh). She hated the Mexifornification of California. She thought the Mexicans were everything we should not be, poor, dangerous, lazy, and with terrible language skills. She even went to the schools and told off the principal when my brother took ‘Spanish’ in high school. Like most high caste Californios she married into White America and so while I remember her stories of a different America,… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

i’ve noticed that americans don’t notice much

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

But half the things they do notice don’t exist.

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  karl hungus
3 years ago

In their defense, look at the war on noticing that’s been going on in this country the last 50 yrs, especially the last 10 or so? It can cost you your job, your kids, your social capital, your reputation, etc., just pointing out that your neighbor Mohammad spends an awfully long time every night with his brothers building odd “suitcase clocks” in his garage makes you feel uneasy. Or mentioning on your Faceberg acct how your Anglo child was denied entry into a college with perfect SATs but Monesha got a slot because she wrote a haiku about being a… Read more »

Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

I have always said that what was happening in Mexico was an ethnic cleansing, without all the pesky bloodshed that attracted so much of the wrong type of attention. Call it 4 gen genocide, if you will, but as we grow browner they grow whiter, and that’s the way it’s intended to be.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DFCtomm
3 years ago

Mexicans at the border- Laredo- told me exactly the same thing.

See Univision or Telemundo, they said, the only brown people are the maids.

TWS
TWS
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Politicians are idiots. They cannot tell a Mexican from a Guatemalan and don’t care. They think a Brazilian is a bikini trim for chicks or the model that gets one. Worse they get their impressions from the guys they see at college or work later. Vincente Fox is whiter than I am (considering he lives in Mexico). You cannot judge Mexico by the upper crust. Besides, do we want to live like Mexico? Rich in gated communities. Not because they want to but because gun toting kidnappers would snatch you if they could. Poor toiling their life out fat and… Read more »

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  TWS
3 years ago

The young’uns call those dumpy Disney type cleaners “squatamalans,” in case you are interested.

Ok, I confess. It’s kinda funny & I do it, too.

Giovanni Dannato
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Chile, Argentina, Uruguay are all white countries. But southern euro instead of north euro.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Giovanni Dannato
3 years ago

More than a few Germans, though.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Timbotoo
3 years ago

Was on a flight out of Miami last week. United stuck me in the back between several different Orthodox Jewish families. One of them was talking about how they had just left Venezuela a couple of years ago. I had two thoughts:
1. The Jews are getting better at leaving in time.
2. The economic disaster in Venezuela must be one hell of a brain-drain for the country. If they hang all the Socialists tomorrow, that country will still be recovering for a decade or more.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
3 years ago

Maybe we should be studying Jewish migration patterns to help us understand where the biggest problems lie.

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  Dutch
3 years ago

not being jewish is worth a lot more than knowing where the jews are escaping from.

Member
3 years ago

As long as the checks keep coming, the ruling class in the West is safe. The problem is they grow dumber and more incompetent every day. How long do you think they’ll be able to keep the checks coming? Don’t get too worked up, it’s already been much longer than I had expected.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
3 years ago

Pampered pussies of Western Nations indeed !!! Used to like being a prepper / survivalist feeling pretty smug about how I would be so much better off than my starving neighbors when SHTF. But with each passing day realize this is highly unlikely. With the massive Muslim Invasion going on in Europe and our ever shrinking freedoms here in the states it’s obvious nothing’s going to happen. Even if there was a modern day Minuteman militia the women in our families would give the muskets to authorities while we were at work. Out of control militant feminism has stolen our… Read more »

karl hungus
karl hungus
Reply to  sirlancelot
3 years ago

can i have your stuff, if it all gets too much for you?

Doug
Doug
Reply to  sirlancelot
3 years ago

Thats disgusting. Where is your dignity of liberty man? Not that I hope to see you do such a thing, it is always better to fight than give up, maybe you should make it easy as possible for those trying to destroy our great country and slit your own throat now, because it sure comes across you have quit and you believe resistance is futile. Is that what your intimating?

Zeroh Tollrants
Zeroh Tollrants
Reply to  sirlancelot
3 years ago

As a woman, a mother, a grandmother, I’d like to throw in my reaction to your comment. If you are concerned that the women in your family would give your “muskets” to the coppers whilst you are out slaving in the old salt mines, perhaps the problem is that you have chosen poorly when picking a mate & raising any female offspring. I would not only not turn over any of my spouse’s artillery, but I sure as heck wouldn’t let anyone take any of mine, either. Besides, hubby only has an old 9 mm & his granddaddy’s squirrel rifle.… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

If my observations of your mid-western towns are any indication of what people are willing to settle for as the “American Dream”, then nothing will change in America no matter how bad things get. Because for many Americans, it can’t get much worse. I am quite shocked at the number of seriously poor people I have run into who are obviously struggling to get by day to day. I knew about the rust-belt and the crime ridden cities like Detroit and southern Chicago, but where I am seeing severe poverty is in areas that have never been affected by de-industrializtion.… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

The Midwest is why Trump was elected.

Don’t know if anything will get better but given the alternative is turning the US into an abattoir , it seems like a good thing to try.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
3 years ago
Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
3 years ago

@ A.B Prosper – And how exactly do these people think Trump will improve their lives? Their economic conditions are not due to Obama, their situations are due to policies and conditions that go back 30-years.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Saw an article today in the cloud-people Financial Times newspaper from the UK, of all things. Trump was not elected because he can “fix” everything (if one pays attention to how our government is supposed to operate, “fixing” everything is not even in his job description), but because he gives a measure of respect to the dirt people. Someone over there in the UK has figured it out. These people do not want compassion, sympathy, or handouts. They want a measure of respect from the rest of the country for being a vital part of things and for being people… Read more »

Doug
Doug
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

You miss the whole thing why we are the dirt people Karl. Poor by your standards of material goods has nothing to do with being rich in other ways.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Doug
3 years ago

@ Doug – I understand that being poor is not a bad thing or that poor people are less happy with their lives, but by anyone’s standards, these Americans are impoverished. Period! I honestly thought from all the comments on here, that this kind of poverty was limited to black, inner-city families. Seeing this in the “heartland” of America is really a shock. One cannot over look these poor whites who are not much better off than many in third world countries; no jobs, no health insurance, lack of decent housing, etc. Based on observations of the obvious weight problems… Read more »

Fuel Filter
Fuel Filter
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Aaaannnnnd, we get our daily dose of The Karl. All he can ever write about (whine, actually) is how backward, depressing and uncivilized we Americans are. Thanks, Karl. I see you learned fucking nothing from your “holiday” over here. And I actually had my hopes up that you might have some sort of attitude adjustment. What a fool I was. The word “despicable” somehow leaps to mind. “Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds,” ~ Albert Einstein And you bitch and moan about hotel breakfasts, plastic utensils and styrofoam plates? You, obviously, completely missed the great spirits that have… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Fuel Filter
3 years ago

@ FuelFilter – I would recommend you take off your rose colored glasses and travel your own country, and Europe, and then we can discuss the differences. Please feel free to correct me about anything I have stated that is incorrect. I am simply commenting on what I have seen first hand, not from blogs and websites written by other people. There is no doubt that America is vast and beautiful country. It’s landscapes are breathtaking and driving across the seemingly endless planes of Wyoming are impressive to say the least. I can’t even imagine what the early European settlers… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Fuel Filter
3 years ago

@ Fuel Filter – “Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds,” ~ Albert Einstein. The irony of you using a German quote was not missed. I’m not “bitching” as much as simply reporting my observations of American hotel practices. I just find it unbelievable that you are willing to pay over $150 for a room and then eat per-packaged food on paper plates. Think about it. Would that be okay if you went to Out-Back Steak house or some other similar restaurant and paid that same money for a steak dinner for your family? Paper plates and plastic… Read more »

Giovanni Dannato
Reply to  Fuel Filter
3 years ago

Details like styrofoam plates and plastic utensils are important hints. It means even mid-high price hotels would never trust adults not to steal silverware and plates.
The United States(I am American) is a low trust, low conscientiousness country, more like the 3rd world in that respect than Western Europe.
It also hints that in American culture everything is disposable, a quick fix, low time horizon.

Mark_Taylor
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I lived in Germany so I’m having trouble buying this. Hotels were expensive. Obviously it depends on location but I never saw a $35 econolodge anywhere. A quart of oil was 20 Euro. A windshield for my Honda Civic in the US that would have been $150 in the US and repaired at my house was a 800 Euro at the shop. My house was a duplex with zero yard, I could have had a stand alone house the a garage of the same size (as I do now) for under 1000 per month. Just look at the price of… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Mark_Taylor
3 years ago

@ Mark_Taylor – I am guessing you were military stationed in Germany? First, I’m happy you had the experience. Second – yes, fuel and oil is expensive in Germany and across most of Europe. If you imported a US-spec Honda as part of your household shipping allowance, rather than buying a Euro-spec car when you arrived in Germany, then yes, prices for US spec parts would be very expensive. I will grant you fuel in the US is incredibly cheap. I think on average I have paid $2.35/gallon where at home I pay about 1.35-CHF/liter. Econolodge would probably not exist… Read more »

Dan
Dan
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I am thrilled to learn that you now have real silverware in Germany. That’s just wonderful!

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Dan
3 years ago

@ Dan – it’s not just about the silverware, it just seems American standards are on the decline. As Giovanni commented, it’s an observation of paying more and more, and getting less and less and this is now the “norm”. Whether it’s knives and forks in a hotel or a college education that costs tens of thousands. Many of the points thezman brings up are very obvious across American society.

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Appearances can be deceiving. Ever been in one of those trailers? Bigger than most apartments in Europe. And the vast majority are owned outright. The reason so many people live in them is because in most states they are exempt from property taxes. I had an office manager who was married to a GM engineer who lived in one for a long time just to build up a nest egg before buying a home. Have you ever been to any of those apartment complexes that are outside of many European cities where migrant workers live? A lot of them are… Read more »

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Teapartydoc
3 years ago

@ Teapartydoc – So you would rather live in a large rotting trailer than a small warm apartment? Really? So in your mind, size is more important than quality? I’m not saying housing everywhere in Europe is all first class, but in Europe, only the Roma live in trailers. Those barbed wire areas you are talking about are old military installations which are now being used to house refugees. No one in Europe, except refugees or prison inmates, lives behind barbed wire. I am seeing America with my own eyes and while the country is beautiful and the people friendly,… Read more »

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I’ve been to Europe many times and have been in those apartment complexes that you apparently have never seen and know nothing about.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
Reply to  Teapartydoc
3 years ago

@ teapartydoc – I would like to know where they are so I could comment. Do you have any specific locations?

Mark_Taylor
Member
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Seems to me they could just get up and leave.

Bill Jones
Bill Jones
3 years ago

The primary difference between the first and third worlds is that in the former wealth is achievable by economic effort, in the latter, through political extraction..