The Provacateur

Way back, before the olden thymes, there was a guy calling himself Ken Kesey. He is famous with Baby Boomers for having led the Merry Pranksters, a group of hippies and degenerates, that scandalized American society in the 1960’s. He and his crew drove a psychedelic school bus across country, hosting parties and handing out LSD. Tom Wolfe wrote about their early escapades in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. Most people no longer recall that Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

That last fact is important. The movie version of his book is a classic that transcends generations. The movie was released 42 years ago and people still reference it today, even when they don’t know it. It’s like The Godfather or Gone With The Wind. Despite its status, Kesey is best remembered for a bus trip a half century ago. That’s because his provocative hi-jinks came to represent a key element of the counter-culture movement we associate with the 1960’s and the baby Boomer culture that arose from it.

The provocateur has always had a role in human affairs. The court jester, in many respects, was the formalization of this role. The jester was the one person who could mock public piety – to a point. Eventually, the role of the formal jester was replaced by theater and then comedians and writers. The pranksters and now the internet provocateur are an extension of this, and to some degree a revival of the classic jester. Kesey was jester for his age. Today, an Andrew Anglin is the jester of the modern information age.

For those unfamiliar with Anglin, he is the guy behind the infamous website The Daily Stormer, which has been shutdown on numerous occasions. Whether or not it was actually shut down by his registrar is hard to know, but most people believe it and that’s what is important. If it was shut down because it was outlandishly offensive, or he cooked up the story as a prank, is not important. Whether it was provocation or a prank, it has put the spotlight on the very real fact that on-line speech is now controlled by an oligopoly.

That is precisely the role of the provocateur. What Anglin is doing, by running around breaking every conceivable taboo, is forcing a debate on the topic of speech. How much speech will be permitted and who will set and enforce the limits are fundamental questions that determine the arc of a society. In America, it has long been understood that the limits are immediate public safety and they are set after long public deliberation and due process. Everyone is taught the famous line about burning theaters for that reason.

Americans have also just assumed that free expression is to sacred that no one would dare violate it, but that is not where we find ourselves today. The people in charge believe they have found a loophole. They have outsourced policing speech to private companies, who can claim to be enforcing terms of service as private companies. Under the current arrangements, FaceBorg can ban any mention of the country Niger, even though it is perfectly legal to yell “Niger!” in a crowded theater.

That’s the value of an Andrew Anglin. Yes, his pint-sized Nazi routine is tiresome and stupid to most people. His followers on-line are embarrassing to those involved in dissident politics. This was true of hippies and the Merry Pranksters too. Read a guy like David Horowitz and you’ll learn that people in the New Left worried greatly about the loose cannons and provocateurs. In the end they figured out it was best to just let those guys do their thing and not comment on the acts, but focus on the larger moral issues they raised.

That’s how a guy like Andrew Anglin should be treated. You don’t want to be seen standing next to him at a public event, but you do want to be seen supporting his right to attend public events. You don’t want to be paling around with him on-line or posting links to his stuff, but you do want to be the guy defending his right to be a Nazi asshole on the internet. When his antics threaten your assets, you want to be the guy who crushes him like a bug. The jester must always serve at the pleasure of the king.

That’s what some of the important figures in this thing have to learn. Anglin causing trouble on Gab, for example, is fine up to the point where he puts the enterprise in jeopardy. At that point, the owner needs to quietly step on him. Similarly, alt-right big shots would be wise to comment about Anglin and his antics, but not get in bed with him. Anglin is a pyromaniac who can just as easily burn down your house as someone else’s house, so you don’t invite him to stay in your basement, where you keep the flammables.

The thing to remember is provocateurs and jesters are important tools in modern political discourse. The key to victory is to destroy the other side’s moral authority. The most effective way to do that is to mock their piety and taunt them into revealing the face behind the mask they present to the public. When someone loses their marbles over being mocked by an Andrew Anglin, they inevitably say and do things that reduce their status in the eyes of the public. Don’t be that guy and don’t be the guy standing next to Anglin.

86 thoughts on “The Provacateur

  1. Thanks for bringing up these points. I had assumed that “provocateur” meant someone working for the other side (which would make Anglin a leftist), but that is actually an “agent provocateur”. An ordinary provocateur is simply one who provokes.

    My take on folks like Anglin are similar to yours. I figure the way you find a website that supports free speech, is to find one with Nazis on it – even if I think most Nazis are either fools or actual “agents provocateurs”. If such are not there, the site is one for which free speech is not a priority. In other words, just another propaganda outlet.

  2. Ken Kesey was NOT a baby-boomer, Zed.
    He was born in 1933, a full decade before the boomers.
    YOU are more of a boomer than Kesey will ever be.
    YOU were born in 1967. eh? Only three years outside the boom, a cusper.
    Yet, you have taken on the ridiculous and ahistorical habit of thrashing the boomers for everything.

    It’s sort of funny and understandable when Mellenials do that, but kinda pathetic to see you channeling them.

  3. I would argue that provocateurs like Anglin are a sideshow that obscures (rather than highlights) the deeper and more serious problem of the methodology that has been employed to bring about the demise of free speech. It’s not just the tyranny of the mass media oligarchs that has brought this upon us, but also the complicity of the other institutions that remain silent or stay on the sidelines. The culture of freedom that birthed this country is diseased and growing weaker by the day.

    • Will there be a time, coming in the foreseeable future, where Normies will finally realize that this identity politics war isn’t going away, but is growing stronger, and that they will have to pick a side if they want to survive, or will they continue to pretend it isn’t happening, as they watch the HMS Titanic that is the US of A, slowly slip under the water?

  4. for me, the most salient fact of the ken kessey story, is how he lost his son in an auto accident. all of ken’s fame and notoriety ended up being for nothing…

    • One reason I always respected Kesey was that he was a genuinely tough guy in real life. He was All American wrestling in college, as was his son. His son was a division 1 wrestler and he died on the way to or from a wrestling tournament with his team, if I remember correctly.
      Losing a child is devastating for parents, and Kesey wrote lovingly about his lost child. Some fellow travelers say Kesey was never the same after the loss.

  5. Desensitization works both ways.
    Rhetorically, this whole nazi fad has outlived it’s usefulness. I learned something by disagreeing with the Storm fags on Gab. They tried some of their usual taunts on me and they fell flat. It is all boring and overused.
    Cuck has lost it’s effectiveness. Calling those who disagree with them the “Sekrit Joo” is so outdone it is laughable. Their “gonna put you in the EZ bake oven” meme is boring.
    Just like the liberals, who called people racist till it no longer meant anything, their rhetoric is dull and retarded and no longer effective.
    The Storm fags are like the migrant invasion of Europe on Gab.
    They squat in the streets amongst their own feces and hurl unintelligible gibberish at you as you pass by.
    They will take over and spread their dirt culture and run everyone else off.
    I get the ironic nazi thing, but a lot of these Anglinists are true believers. How retarded is that?

    • There’s a reason why I get no grief from the Stormies, despite my opinions on the JQ. There’s a reason that the big foot guys in the alt-right read me, despite my positions on many things. The reason is I focus on the enemy and I’m willing to accept that people on my side may disagree with me on things.

      I’ll also note that when I offer criticism, I’m usually right and when I’m wrong I admit it.

    • The counter to that is the people in charge are going to say all the same things about us with or without Anglin. Therefore, his antics, if done right, become a way to mock moral framework underlying those claims. If you are worried about “looking bad” in the eyes of the Progs, you may as well join them, as that’s what’s going to happen eventually.

      They are not wrong in that.

        • For sure. Normal people lose respect for their rulers when their rulers are seen going nuts over a clown making sport of them. That’s the point of these provocateurs. They want to get the people in charge to come at them. It’s Mayweather fighting the MMA guy. The best he could do was not lose. Winning meant nothing. McGregor managed to raise his profile simply by getting in the ring.

  6. This is the most reasoned thought on the current infighting I’ve seen yet; I hate anglin, but I see your point. That said, I wish VD’s crew would drop this retarded fake right meme. It reeks of boomer and accomplishes nothing.

    • “Reeks of boomer” good insight. VD is still fighting his father’s old fights to a certain extent. I can see that because I did the same thing for a while. Part of being an adult is being able to bury hatchets from a generation or two back. A lot of what happened then has become irrelevant and not pertinent to being able to function in the present. Honoring your father and mother does not extend into participating in their personal tempers and petty irrationalities.

  7. When someone loses their marbles over being mocked by an Andrew Anglin, they inevitably say and do things that reduce their status in the eyes of the public. Don’t be that guy…

    I assume this rather opaque statement refers to the bizarre behavior of Ted Beale (the LARPing Dark Lord of his very own Slytherin House of Dreadsome Dorks, or whatever they’re called), who’s been acting strangely since Charlottesville (with his weird tirades about Taiwanese National Socialists and “Nazis are the real leftists” and whatnot) and who recently seems to have gone completely off the rails (“By Grabthar’s hammer, sirrah, if you don’t immediately give me the names, addresses and shoe sizes of those two malefactors who besmirched the reputations and/or good names of both myself and the missusbunny, you’ll be hearing from Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger… and McCormick. Or did I leave out a Hungerduner?”).

    If have something to say on the matter, you should be more direct about it.

    • No, I think he’s right to not address it directly. Attacking VD’s crowd is just more infighting; he’s been effective at relaying things to me in the past and I’d just prefer he’d drop this insane crusade to purity spiral “the alt right.” Hopefully, he realizes that this is stupid and moves on as if this never happened. I doubt he’ll admit he was out of his mind, especially on that crazy legal battle with gab, but maybe he can at least pretend this was all part of some master plan and drop the thing entirely.

    • I was not thinking of the fringe characters on-line. I was thinking about the mass media types and the Big Tech firms.

      • If this is so, misunderstanding is what will come of not speaking directly. Certainly, on the day of the great Anglin vs. Beale “debate” on whatever it was they were talking about, what you say here doesn’t bring Google or even Cloudflare to mind.

          • Something weird is going on with VD/TB. There’s lots of speculation about what’s motivating him, but I have no idea what’s behind it and I expect nobody apart from him really gets it (and probably not even him). It’s sort of amusing to spectate from afar but it’s pointless to get directly involved. It really is a cult-like atmosphere over at his site, and it’s pretty strange to see the Anglin-types who comment there coming off looking like the rational ones.

          • Yeah, I don’t know what to make of that. I’ve always steered clear of the Stormies. I don’t need the hassle. I’ll do the same thing with the VD crowd. My interest these days are running in a different direction anyway.

  8. Z man, I’m shocked that you overlooked what is by far the greatest influence Kesey had over society: he single handedly emptied the state mental institutions putting them permanently out of business with the popularity of his book and subsequent film. Lo and behold, by the next decade the “homeless problem” was suddenly caused by Reagan’s heartless conservative policies, not liberals swinging open the gates of mental institutions for the inmates to roam the streets.

  9. Speaking of Kesey, how do people here feel about hallucinogens? Do you believe that natural hallucinogens like Psilocybin and Mescaline have any useful Psychiatric uses? Do you believe that synthetic hallucinogens can also be tools or do you believe that all hallucinogens should be avoided?

    • When I was a young guy I thought they were a lot of fun! Apparently LSD showed signs of being useful for treating alcoholism, such that Bill Wilson, founder of AA, endorsed it.

      My observation is that they aren’t particularly dangerous – I’ve never known of anyone experiencing any permanent harm from psychedelics, unless they had some other pre-existing condition. But I’m not sure they offer any advantage when being used recreationally, either. Mostly they seem to be something people try a few times and then get bored with.

      I don’t regret my experiences with them. On the other hand, I don’t have much interest in repeating them, either.

    • AWM;
      LSD etc. was a thing among my contemporaries in the mid ’60s. Most reacted as Bruno did, some had bad trips and never tried it again, but a (relatively small) number were completely ruined by the experience, ended up in psych hospitals, spent the rest of their lives on psych meds, eventual suicide, etc. *Two died* as a direct result from LSD induced accidents.

      Now, you may say that the bad stuff was going to happen anyway because it’s well known that young adulthood is when schizophrenic breaks and other forms of mental illness show up, etc. But I seem to recall that there was (yet another) criminally stupid CIA scandal where they gave LSD to unknowing subjects and were forced to stop because a few of them jumped out of windows or were institutionalized.*

      Bottom Line: it can be dangerous. My advice: Best not to screw with it.

      Why_? It is well known that there is a genetic link to addictive behavior. So my theory, FWIW, is that some people’s brains are genetically pre-wired for bad trips but won’t know it until they try it, and there is no going back for a subset of those. So the proposition for first use is: Upside = temporary euphoria; Not-so-small downside = bad trip, your weekend is ruined; Really bad downside = bad trip, your life is ruined.

      And you have no idea ahead of time which bucket you fall into. Sorta like seeing if you can beat the train at the grade crossing: If you win your reward is bragging rights that (ought to) look dumb in retrospect and if you lose, you lose everything.

      * CIA had some cockamamie justification about needing to see how it would work so they could give it to commie leaders or something. Poisoning a foreign leader *used* to be considered an act of war.

  10. Z Man;
    Hate to partially disagree, but It is pragmatically important to distinguish between a basically harmless-but-annoying ‘jester’ (like Ken Kesey) from a deeply dangerous ‘provocateur’. Kesey (hadn’t thought about that guy for 45 years) was essentially a jester, as you presciently point out. Maybe Anglin is one too, don’t know.

    But Kessler, the guy who organized the Charlottesville fly trap operation, was a true provocateur. And we need to be very wary of such. I guess anybody who has not been made acquainted with the old history of commie techniques and counter-techniques, via the required study once required of US officers in the ’60s & early ’70s, for example, might miss the differentiation.

    In historical parlance, still relevant today, a provocateur in state (or state-sponsored NGO) employ is somebody who seeks to deflect a dissident group from their own aims into aims convenient to the state in order to either crush, neutralize or even convert them to state use. And also to entice the more unstable members of such groups into legally chargeable offenses: Just as a matter of deterrence if legal decapitation is not possible.

    The FBI employs numerous provocateurs against the jihadi’s in situ in the US (thanks Cloud People) and I’m glad that they do. That’s where the largely buried MSM stories about ‘jihadi plots foiled’ come from. To expect that they are not doing this against Alt-whatever groups at the behest of their Cloud Folk masters is beyond naive.

    So, watch out. The guy agitating for the most extreme, clearly illegal, measures today is likely to be a jammed up junkie looking to put your pelt on the cabin wall to keep his own ass out of the joint.

  11. There was a bizarre brilliance to The Daily Stormer, that so many missed, which was unfortunate. Anglin spent a long time studying how to defang the cherished taboos of the holocaust, feminism, racism, etc., for the Gen Z crowd, and they were who he wrote his blog for, not an older audience, who just didn’t always get it. I remember the first time I stumbled across it, being taken aback, but after spending a few days acclimating myself to the writing, I caught on to the tone of it, and understood the purpose of its harshness was not to just be crass, but to drive a mack truck thru these sacred cows. It became one of my favorite places to visit for a good laugh. because once you understood The Stormer, you understood just how hilarious it really was.

    • Anglin’s humor was a bit too much on the sociopathic side even for me, but he is an effective canary in the coal mine. If the corporations/government/whoever is effective in shutting him down, that sets a precedent. If they can get away with it this time, they’ll be a lot less bashful employing that tactic again. If they can get away with taking an inch, the next time they’ll go for the whole mile.

  12. Z, I’d appreciate it if you could analyze and opine at some point on the position Ward Connerly took in his initiatives for color-blindness in state hiring, contracting, and university acceptance. Seems to me your thoughts on that point of view would be relevant to the opinion formation that’s happening here.

    I remember ringing doorbells with petitions for that initiative back in the day. About half the homes I visited were willing to sign; those who declined were mostly polite. The initiative got to the ballot and was actually voted into law here.

    Of course that law’s intent has been diluted and subverted over the years, as you might expect — largely, I think, because there is no respectable, credible, sustained organization fighting to maintain and advance it.

    I mention this because your ‘provacateur’ article analyzes an extreme end of things. That’s a good thing to do. It might also be good to analyze the moderate end. There’s a spectrum in all of this where people are trying to get oriented and find their place. Thanks.

    • Connelly was a hero to me at one time. He was a visionary and could see where things were going to to go with the early anti-white bias and the backlash that would ultimately result. I haven’t thought about him in some time. Apparently he’s still alive, but at 78, not as active.

      One thing is evident from watching that whole thing play out: moderation doesn’t produce results. You set your goal far beyond what you want, then maybe you get what you want.

      That’s the Art of the Deal.

      Robert Mugabe and Trump are actually the same man.

      • “…: moderation doesn’t produce results. ”


        It’s not necessarily either-or. It may be either-or for one individual or for a single organization. But not for a whole movement.

        The Left has advanced on many different fronts using different degrees of stridency and comfort. But they make most of their advances in the name of “fairness,” appealing to the legendary soccer moms.

        They won an important anti-gun ballot measure in my state a while back by campaigning for “common-sense safety regulations.” They did not advocate taking everyone’s guns (as they want to do) and then saying, “oh.that’s what we asked for, but now we can compromise.” If anything, they masked their immoderate intent. (It helped that they had a boatload of out-of-state progbucks.)

        On the other side, but with a similar moral, the pro-2A people have gained more than ten states that allow concealed carry without a permit. This used to be called “Vermont carry,” after the only state that allowed it.

        This important change did not happen by pro-gun groups loudly advocating a belt-fed weapon in every home and then falling back to a compromise position. They accomplished this with money, hard work, and — especially — a reasonable position that appealed to a lot of people.

        As for Connerly’s efforts … having a law is not enough. It takes people and money to mount court cases against violations to it … and to refine it as opponents find and exploit loopholes.

    • Also from the same link, “If someone wants to call you a racist, shrug it off and eject him from your life”, or do it my way, just say “So”

  13. The jester is the shadow or dark side of the magician archetype. This fool’s extremes are tolerated because, after all, he is just a fool, as he gets away with gutting the virtue signalers to their hypocritical core. He is a catalyst in the exposure of progressive rhetoric’s double standards, stripping false narratives to the bone as we vicariously share his sadistic glee.

  14. There’s so much that is wrong in this post.

    Where to begin.

    One of the main reasons why the Right has been on a losing streak for the last century is precisely because of its inability to define itself. This is a far deeper problem than many realise. Having the Right “Feelz” should not be conflated with being Right wing.

    Anglin’s free speech rights are irrelevant here. The fact that Anglin is given a sympathetic forum by anyone on the Right shows you just how pozzed the Right is. National Socialism was precisely that, a National Leftism. How someone encapsulating the ideas of Left can somehow be a spokesman for the Right is simply beyond me. The genius of National socialism, or Fascism for that matter, was in being able to dress up a Left Wing ideology in Right Wing drab. The cognitive misers fall for it all the time.

    The fact is, that many on the Right are are Right wing by virtue of disposition, attracted to it on the basis of the “Feelz” rather than the underlying rational basis of the ideology. Hence the allure of brown and red. Just as there is a lot of sympathy for Lenin on the Left, the reality of the situation is that there is far too much sympathy for the Fuhrer on the Right, particularly on the American Right.

    Anglin’s role is to play on those sympathies in order to draw off the intellectually weaker members and split the Right. He’s no useful idiot. Furthermore, he doesn’t destroy the other side’s moral authority but reinforces it. This is about mass-man politics not logical rational discourse. The average man’s moral calculus see’s no problems with the silencing of men like Anglin because they can rightly recognise the toxicity of his ideology. It just ain’t gonna happen.

    I, personally, don’t give a shit about the Left, it’s the normies that matter. Purging stormfags like Anglin reinforces the legitimacy of the Dissident Right among the Normies and undercuts the Left’s narrative. It’s as simple as that.

    • Buckley and National Review purged the badthinkers from the right and they kept losing despite their purity.

      The right that has had their butts kicked for decade after decade have spent enormous effort disavowing and condemning those evil racists and Nazis.

      It hasn’t worked…ever.

      You want to replicate the same failed strategy and expect that it will somehow magically work this time.

      No election has made any difference because the right accepts the lefts definitions and roll over anytime they point and shriek Nazi.

      • The Right has been losing well before Buckley did his purges. Buckely’s problem is that he didn’t purge more ruthlessly. He was right to purge the Stormfags but he was wrong in not purging the Neocons.

      • Wrong. The winning strategies are to either ignore the prog chirping or to put a thumb in their eyes. Never apologize. Scott Adams details this understanding, which is the Trump strategy. And if you can’t deal with the worm don’t drink the Mezcal. Wine for you.

  15. Nancy Pelosi proved an important point when she said something like “you can’t just cry ‘wolf’ in a crowded theater.” There really is no “debate” going on in the U.S. concerning free speech.

    You are correct in saying that policing speech has been outsourced to the big corporations, but it is really nothing new, and it actually includes outsourcing most of the social change the left desires. For example, I remember more than 30 years ago AT&T began celebrating the gay agenda, and any complaint from employees earned them a quick trip to the re-education camp. Corporate “leadership” on social issues is one of the main reasons the Left loves big corporations. Most of the re-education of America has come from citizens just trying to keep their jobs and not make waves at the workplace. Civic changes usually follow the corporate lead, rather than the other way around.

  16. the alt right, alt lite, NAZI LARPers, cuckservative issue is, and I mean this sincerely, legitimately interesting to me…

    my only problem is that I’m not sure how much it helps the movement, and the problem seems ultimately intractable and not open to intentional intervention anyway. I wonder if we’re not just better leaving the whole thing to the so called “animal spirits” as it were and move on to other things.

  17. This is where the “Facebook is a public utilty” argument fails, I think. I can get fired for writing “Donald Trump is a Nazi!” all over my employer’s intranet. I can win a Pulitzer for writing “Donald Trump is a Nazi!” all over the New York Times’ editoral page (also known as the “news” section). Can the NY Times refuse to sell me a paper if I write letter after letter to the editor claiming “Donald Trump is a Nazi!”? If Faceberg can’t police speech under “terms of service” because they’re a public utility, is the NYT forced to print my letters?

    Folks are tempted to say this is an apples to oranges comparison, because print vs. digital, but the 1st Amendment doesn’t specify any particular technology (I’m free to write “Donald Trump is a Nazi!” all over the pages of my self-xeroxed fanzine that I hand out at the hardware store, too). And, as the judges constantly remind us, the Constitution is a “living document.” I hate the “term of service” loophole, too, but I don’t see how to get around it by regulating Faceborg as a public utility. If it is, so is the NYT, Fox News, and (probably) this blog (and mine).

    • That’s not really the issue though. If Anglin goes on FaceBorg and starts his act and is booted, that’s a different thing than having his site seized by the registrar. That’s like having your car repossessed because you put a Trump sticker on it and the loan company was backing Hillary.

      Now, as far as how to handle the oligopoly, I would be all for breaking up companies like Google and preventing FaceBorg from meddling in competing media. We learned this lesson a century ago. No need to relearn it the hard way again.

      • Z Man;
        Absolutely_! We need to use anti-trust to the max against the tech oligarchs. Two reasons: First, to re-establish deterrence against making everything political; Second, it puts sand in their gears.

        In my biz experience, the best way to slow down a bad acquisition was to bring up ant-trust law in the meeting. Anti-trust law is a mess of contradictory cases and vague statuary law. The slick power points go in the trash bucket while the corporate law-dawgs proceed to fillet all the cool concepts. It’s a joy to watch if you think the underlying idea sucks. If it’s your idea, not so much.

  18. There is however a huge difference between the Establishment and the Dissidents. The Establishment can rely on the Press to smother any mention of anti-fa lunacy and extreme anti-White hatred. While it can also rely on Anglin and the rest posting Nazi stuff and various depictions of Jews out of Goebbels to be amplified to anyone to the right of Pol Pot.

    This is reality, and we on the Dissident side have to deal with this reality, pretending won’t make it go away.

    My solution is for the Dissident Right to embrace Bibi-ism; and talk about how awesome Israel is for having a Wall, deporting Africans, having Israel for Israelis, being explicitly Jewish, and how America should be JUST LIKE ISRAEL.

    We have to stand for something, might as well be that. Normies like Israel and since Normies are the strategic high ground the Establishment and Dissidents are fighting for; best to choose things that Normies like (Israel, a border wall, strong nationalism, strong religious orientation in public life, defense of its people, etc) instead of stuff Normies don’t like: Hitler, Hitler, Nazis, killing inoffensive White people for being Jews, etc.

    You can’t go wrong with the American Flag, and you can never go right with the Nazi one.

    • So, to avoid being defamed by the Jewish media you have to say how great the Jews are?

      Now, who would the main beneficiaries of that strategy be?

      • It’s brilliant – somebody set Whiskey up with another round! Bile is buying!
        Bibi is hated with the heat of 1000 suns by the Marxist Jewish media slobs. Doing as Whisky suggests would
        A. Ally us with some very powerful and intelligent friends
        B. Drive a wedge into our enemies and isolate Jewish media slobs
        C. Undermine the common charges against the dissident right such as anti-semitism and fascism.
        The Alt Right tried to use fascists as useful fools the same way the left uses turd-brained proggies and the strategy clearly failed.
        Now consider: how about we poach some of the allies of ‘the dissident left’? We’re talking about the skilled, high IQ moderates that are getting run out of their own party by low IQ vibrants and ethnics who are too stupid to see their value?
        Hell! I am going to buy a round for Whisky too!

    • The Normies becoming Shabbos Goyim and “liking” Israel and the Jews, and allowing Jews to dictate our foreign policy, is how we ended up in the situation we are in, in the first place. I fail to see how making ourselves into a tribe of pseudo Shabbos Goyim to appeal to Normies while touting the policies of Israel gets us out of our present day problems, but it may come to that. We can get Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity to lead us, I guess.

  19. Great take on what’s going on. I don’t want Anglin leading anything I’m associated with, but I can’t see our side winning without people like him running interference for us, either.

    • This exactly; I’ve been kind of rudderless with VD going full crazy over some random nazi larper’s anonymous bantz. I’m glad people are putting things into perspective.

  20. The provocateur often shows prescience in describing elements of the future. Kesey’s Nurse Ratched keeps running for president.

    The Left’s favorite provocateur of the hour is Margaret Atwood and her Handmaid’s Tale. It perfectly predicted the rise of the fundamentalist Muslim culture that the Left is so in love with today. The cognitive dissonance, it burns!

  21. I think the self-styled “alt-lite,” is expending too much energy on the fringe of the “alt-right,” because they have otherwise run out of things that feel close to being under their control. That’s understandable with Trump waffling on so many issues and controversial speakers being blamed for riotous behavior on the left; however, there was never anything to gain by trying to strike at the internet nazis or tell them they aren’t right-wing. They don’t care about decorum and have even less respect for political dipoles.

    Yes, Anglin’s tabloid is a gadfly. Every political and social movement has theirs. Israel has plenty of right-wing loons who like to quote the Talmud saying gentiles are all cattle fit for servitude, but if we wasted time trying to shut those people up, we’d never have a moment to spare for the regular listener and reader who wants to know what the rest of us are about. Don’t punch the tar-baby if you don’t have to, the briar patch is easily avoidable.

  22. Meanwhile, Congressional GOP establishment lifers quietly sit by and rub their hands under the table with glee. This silent censorship is just what their doctor ordered to start removing their critics from the spotlight. Ah if we could only turn the internet into television from the 60’s, before cable, where there were 3 major networks, some local indies ant the occasional UHF station if you had enough tin foil on the internal antenna and the moon was at crescent. The news was so easy to control then.

    Oh wait, we are already moving in that direction! My bad!

  23. Kesey’s book is good too. I read it at college and liked it, read it again a few years later and never forgot the author’s name. I saw the film later, and yes, it’s also very good.

    • My med school psychiatric rotation was at a VA psychiatric hospital that also served as a TB sanitarium and alcohol and drug rehab facility. Learned a lot about syphilis there. It looked just like the place in that movie, and there were characters in it that were similar, too.

      The head shrink was a guy who was a truck driver before going to med school. One of my classmates was interviewing a new admission and the guy punched him in the face. A bunch of us trapped the bastard behind a mattress and got him in a strait jacket. While all this was going on a background check came in and it turned out that the guy had checked himself in to hide from the law. Outstanding warrants. Had been arrested and escaped by setting his bed on fire.

      When we took him down to the head dude he started begging not to be released. Said he was acting out b/c he hadn’t been taking his ” medication”.

      The head dude said, “Bullshit. You’re nothing but a common criminal.” Then he looked at the armed guards and said, “Take him out on the beltway and drop him off someplace.”

      He didn’t want to bother with the paperwork and take the time to testify in court, and he knew that someone would render better justice to the guy outside the system rather than in it.

  24. So much stuff is going down right now and so many sacred alt right internet cows are being busted that I’m really struggling to keep up.

  25. I listened to his debate with vox and he didn’t come across as knowledgeable or having a consistent political vision. I will go back to my original position of co sidering him a malignant cell.

    • I listened to most of it. Neither have a clue about the topic. The Finnish word myötähäpeä comes to mind.

      • Any chance we could get your thoughts in the subject in a blog post soon? Vox’s command of pre-1933 German politics was the most impressive part of the debate. But what did he miss?

        • He missed that “nazis are left-wing,” is a point that has no political cache. Liberals reject it out of hand, libertarians accept it apriori, and nationalists don’t fall cleanly on one side or the other. It’s also tangential to the issue of criticizing larpnazi optics since, even if one could demonstrate that nazis are “right-wing,” they would still be fools to fly the swastika at a public event.

          • What bugs me the most about the argument is how in lockstep his commenters are about this as if its a killshot argument that will finally rid them of the ebbin nazis. It’s insane.

          • I made a comment on his blog that that strategy would be as effective as DR3. Apparently he didn’t need the warning.

      • “The Finnish word myötähäpeä comes to mind.”
        Try not to be more of an asshole than is necessary.

    • The quality of his work has definitely fallen off. Lately he is exhibiting all the traits of the ‘gamma males’ that he hates so much. Awhile back he admonished everyone not to ‘punch tight’ on fascists on the grounds that they could be used as useful fools against the left. Now he’s beating up on cellar dwelling fascists and pasty faced poseurs and strutting around as if he’s some kind of crusading tough guy… like the flits at Antifa. He’s accused dozens of people of pedophilia on the internet and now he’s waging lawfare against Gab because someone called him a pedo.
      That boy better get a grip or he and his fan boys are going to lose any credibility they have left…

  26. The Stormers, Richard Spencer, and the former Occupy/Obama guy that organized the flytrap in Charlotte have done an amazing job of exposing the madness of the left. The effort to make racism seem the epitome of sin failed miserably – first because so few people stood with the LARPers, second because so many leftists and Democrats and GOPeanuts stood with the psychotic Black Block.

    Racists – in all flavors – are usually dumb, and it doesn’t take long to figure that out. But they aren’t violent except in extreme circumstances. Leftists, on the other hand, are always about revolution – constant and unrelenting. They sow chaos so they can create a world that is always needing an iron fist to impose order.

    It’s been an illuminating few months as that dynamic – the impotence of the racists, and the danger posed by the revolutionaries – has been clarified, even as the media and most of our elected Representatives have worked hard to make the opposite case.

    • Raysists powerless? What do you think causes negroes to commit crimes, fail academically, and use an inordinate amount of welfare and social services? Powerless indeed.

      • That remark needs a little clarification. Do you mean racism in general or can you be more specific. God knows there’s a lot going around, but it isn’t unidirectional by any means!

        • It could be the kind of racism whereby 50 percent of rapes of white women are perpetrated by blacks and, according to the FBI, the number of white on black rapes rounds down to zero.

    • “Racists-in all flavors-are usually dumb, and it doesn’t take long to figure that out.”

      Define racists.

      • People that think the race defines the individual. Won’t hire a qualified black guy with good references because he’s black. Think all white people are rich and privileged. Think all Hispanics are lazy.

        Basically, anyone that tars the individual with the stereotype. Not saying the stereotypes aren’t largely accurate (they are a useful shorthand), but if you refuse to at least give a listen to someone like Thomas Sowell, Hernando De Soto (the living economist, not the dead Conquistador), Nicholas Nassim Taleb, or Spinoza because they are (in order) black, hispanic, Lebanese, and Jewish, then your opinion is too simple and reductionist to be worth consideration.

        Of course, if you are in law enforcement and you aren’t racist, you’re an idiot and likely to be killed. Not all instances of racism are dumb.

        • “Not all instances of racism are dumb,” and “racists-in all flavors-are usually dumb,” seem to be a bit contradictory, but, I can live with it.
          I appreciate you taking the time to give me a detailed answer.

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