No Easy Answers

It is natural for people to embrace simple answers to complicated problems, even when it is obvious that those simple answers have no chance for success. One reason is complicated solutions imply a lot of hard work. Most people would prefer as little struggle as possible, so the option that offers the least amount of effort is always going to have the most appeal. Then there is the fact that hard solution mean hard problems, problems that change things. People don’t like change, so they avoid facing reality as much as they can.

This is the heart of the current crisis. White people in America are faced with a set of facts that are immutable. Demographics is a straight forward issue. As of 2011, about 60% of the population was non-Hispanic white. The percentage of the minor population that is non-Hispanic white fell below 50% for the first time. Given current immigration and fertility numbers, America will be a majority-minority country within a generation. The crisis of our age is not just how we respond to this reality, but how we come to accept it.

The civic nationalists will move heaven and earth in order to avoid facing demographic reality. In fact, they do everything they can to avoid thinking about it. The results of the NY-14 election are a great example. The civic nationalists latched onto the socialist angle, with the desperation of a drowning man. The fact that the district is over 60% Hispanic was lost on them. Even when presented with the facts, they preferred to prattle on about “muh socialism.” The simple answer asks the least of them, so they go with that.

On the other hand, we have the recently red-pilled. Like ex-smokers, they demand action now, believing all they have to do is explain what they have just learned to everyone else, and public opinion will turn on a dime. Paul Nehlen and Patrick Little are good examples of how this works. They read Culture of Critique, had a revelation and then found the nearest street corner on which they could preach the gospel. All of their efforts were based on the belief that the solution was simple. Just red-pill everyone and the problem is solved.

Of course, the very act of running for office is a denial of reality. It assumes the system is fine, but the people are defective. This has been the guiding star of conservatives for three generations. The simple solution to the culture war is to get the “right people” in office and they will solve the problem. The fact that this has proven impossible, and that the system has led us to this point, is never considered. The possibility that liberal democracy inevitably leads to cultural suicide is unpleasant, so even the red-pilled look the other way.

It used to be a popular line on social media to comment about something being the reddest of red pills. The JQ’ers loved using that line to pose as the most “woke” people in the movement. The truth is, the reddest of red pills is accepting that there is nothing to be done, with regards to our demographic destiny. The die is cast. Barring genocide or some weird plague, the land currently called America will be majority-minority. We can seal the borders tomorrow and the facts will not change. There’s no answer to that problem.

Further, liberal democracy assumes things about the citizenry that cannot be true in a majority-minority nation. The Founders saw this from the start and worried about factionalism ripping their new creation apart. Even in a completely white, English speaking country like early America, there was lots of diversity. People putting loyalty to their tribe ahead of loyalty to their nation was a legitimate concern. The American Civil War was not fought along regional and cultural lines by accident. It was tribal warfare.

The fact is, another bit of that dreaded demographic reality is that what comes next cannot include the current system of governance. In a multicultural society, everyone’s primary loyalty is to their group. Liberal democracy assumes people are loyal to their narrow economic interests. The black guy will vote for what works for him, not for what blacks ad a whole think is in their interest. In an all-white society, this works as whites are the least tribal humans. In a majority-minority society, this cannot possible work.

What comes next for us is what we see in the Middle East. In every country, one group dominates the rest, imposing their idea of order on the society. Saddam controlled Iraq for his people. The Persians run Iran. The Muslims run Lebanon, where every hill and valley may as well be its own country. The rule in multi-cultural, multi-tribal societies, is that one tribe rules the rest. That’s our future. The question is which groups will come to dominate the rest and what sort of system will they impose in order to remain in charge.

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“ The rule in multi-cultural, multi-tribal societies, is that one tribe rules the rest”

Well, we already know the answer to that. Ask Andrew Anglin if you are not sure.

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What is interesting to me is what the coalitions will look like going into the future. The Democratic Party is an unstable coalition an dI have to believe that one or more parts will break off, especially if the Democratic Party is seen as being dominated by blacks who will not share power. Blacks assume that immigrants will agree with them on whites, while in my experience it is the opposite: immigrants agree with whites about blacks. This is why I think immigration, though it is destroying white America, is ultmiately going to destroy black America as well. My guess… Read more »

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I agree, Peter. It’s a numbers game. If asians ally themselfs with whites, it won’t matter much if they are vastly outnumbered by blacks, hispanics & muslims. Whichever sides wins, we are still on the path of long term conflict, as multi-ethnic societies are inherently unstable.

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The dems are a classic tribal coalition, where the tribes stay together as long as the flow of loot and plunder continues. As long as white america can be exploited and plundered then the dem coalition will remain. Once the flow of loot stops, the coalition will fracture. And once that happens the various tribes will be looking for allies to create a new coalition. One of those tribes is going to realise that there is a vast, alienated and untapped source of allies waiting for them in white america. Then shit gets real, because the former coalition strove to… Read more »

Greg
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Greg

Wrong

People of Color get along great with each other

The problem in society is white people

Read Marie Lu, Sabaa Tahir, and other Authors of Color to see how they think

ifrank
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ifrank

“people of color get along great with each other. The problem is white people”. it all makes sense to me now. black ppl. they love each other to death. that’s why they be shooting each other.

Tully
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Tully

Sure they do, that’s why the Mexicans are running the blacks out of Compton CA. Fool.

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Tiny Duck, is that you? Except for the absence of misspellings, you’ve got TD down pat.

Bartleby the Scrivener
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Bartleby the Scrivener

I love when The Duck gets called out.
Thank you.

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

Tiny Duck Dick, you mean.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Hey Duck. Sup? Blacks kill each other at a vastly higher rate than Whites like 15x I think do as do Hispanics. Not one White hand pulls those triggers. Asians don’t even get along , not one of them wants a thing to do with anyone of not the same Asian race he or she is or maybe with Whites though they don’t kill one at least in public. That said if POC’s are effected by Whites so much, all of Whites will gladly chip in to repatriate them with reparations. They can go to Africa or return home to… Read more »

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” repatriate them with reparations.”

Reparations for what?

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Consider it a bribe to make it easier if you like or to satisfy shitlibs guilt over “muh racism”

I figure a one time payoff while not cheaper than lead, is probably kinder, more peaceful and saves lives. It also might encourage people to go along with it

Nori
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Nori

The good people of Chicago might disagree with you, Greg. Not to mention the inhabitants of the lovely Maxine Watters’ congressional district.

Christopher S. Johns
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Christopher S. Johns

I love you Tiny Gruck! Let’s feel the brotherhood!

“Violent protests in Haiti leave streets of Port-au-Prince bloodied, littered with bodies”

https://globalnews.ca/video/4321003/violent-protests-in-haiti-leave-streets-of-port-au-prince-bloodied-littered-with-bodies

Stop picking on Tiny Gruck because you know he’s right! There’s nothing like a shithole to bring people together.

MMinLamesa
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MMinLamesa

That’s a hoot unless, for example, 40 people shot and 9 killed over the 4th in Chicago is what you call POC getting along great with each other.

Aesop
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People of Color get along great with each other

This is, of course, why Africa and Asia are such a triumph of progress, and everything south of the Rio Grande to Tierra Del Fuego is a paradise, while Europe has been mired in backwardness unchanged since the fall of Constantinople, and the rest of North America lives in relative squalor compared to the prosperous latinante “people of color”.

Because Wakanda is real.

Just wondering: have you ever been out of your mom’s basement, even to go to the corner store…or not?

Harmonium
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Harmonium

We have heard these rumors that people under 18 (gen Z or whatever) are ridiculously right wing on issues of race realism, and if that assessment is correct, I have a feeling it is a meritocratic Asian chattering class that is responsible for this ideology. It’s a Singapore effect—ain’t no bs obstructing their road to Harvard!

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

The people in Gen Zyklon are not all far right wing, you have a huge split that’s growing. They are the most polarized generation that I’ve ever seen, far right vs. far left, without a center. I’ve yet to meet on who wasn’t already a little bit political, with a large number appearing to be quite political. Maybe this will change, maybe a center will be found, but all I’m seeing is 3rd worlders wanting socialism & gender confused white kids who agree with them on one side, and white kids, (predominantly male), who are ready to take over government… Read more »

Major Kong
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Major Kong

Z wrote, “The die is cast. Barring genocide or some weird plague, the land currently called America will be majority-minority. We can seal the borders tomorrow and the facts will not change.” I’ve been saying this for over a decade. The terminal poison has been injected and the cancer is spreading and irreversible. Brace for impact.

Major Kong
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Major Kong

The womb is mightier than the sword and the pen… demonstrably true when every two that cross the border reproduce six or eight or ten… I recall my time in So Cal twenty-five years ago… was an impressive sight to see the colorful parades of conquest… many double-wides, countless three-wides, and the rare and impressive five-wide side-by-side immigrant baby buggies…… and the conquest parades would just roll on sidewalks and front yards and out in the streets in the driving lanes moving deliberately slowly… “F you – my land now.”

Alivefor Now
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Alivefor Now

and the conquest parades would just roll on sidewalks and front yards and out in the streets in the driving lanes moving deliberately slowly… “F you – my land now.” And it’s still going. Long parade, unobstructed. In my current grid square, north of your last 20 these residents don’t know what they are in for. EJECT EJECT EJECT! Look for me due east of my last transmission.

DLS
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DLS

“Blacks assume that immigrants will agree with them on whites, while in my experience it is the opposite: immigrants agree with whites about blacks.” This has been my experience as well. My wife is a first generation American hispanic, and her entire family is racist towards blacks. I am a race realist, but these folks make me look like MLK.

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3g4me

Why the word salad? By describing your wife as a “first generation American hispanic,” you indicate she is an American solely via magic dirt or magic papers. If she is foreign-born with magic papers granting her American citizenship, there is also a term for that (i.e. putatively legal immigrant). Words mean things.

DLS
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DLS

Whatever it is you’re talking about has no relation to the point.

Mike_C
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Mike_C

> immigrants agree with whites about blacks In general, yes, though I might amend it to “NON-WHITE immigrants agree with whites about American blacks.” I work with a lot of immigrants (admittedly high-IQ, highly credentialed STEM/medical types so a very skewed and probably non-representative sample) and [painting with very broad strokes from here on] the ones from western Europe are the most, let’s say “cautious” in what they say and most likely to trot out the usual education/poverty/systemic-racism excuses for misbehavior and lack of achievement. East Asians and South Asians are puzzled, bemused, and occasionally outraged by how cautious we… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

Derb has noticed, and I have noticed too, that non-American blacks disdain American blacks, mainly b/c they think they are lazy. I have a Phillipino that I work with who is in charge of hiring. In a fit of frustration she once told me she would fire all the blacks and hire Indians if she could, given that blacks fight among themselves, call out sick, spend countless hours on the phone, and are generally disrespectful.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

What you’re saying: We want to celebrate the high-functioning immigrants who can more ably displace our people because they occasionally say mean things about blacks!

Peter
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Peter

That is not what I am saying. My point is that blacks here’s in the US think immigrants are going to relate to them more than to whites. I think some of these immigrant groups that blacks are welcoming into this country are going to turn on them.

calsdad
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calsdad

This isn’t anything new.

I had a second cousin who died twenty years ago. He was much older than I was – and lived in Boston. Because he was disabled (= no money – he was legally blind) he lived in a boarding house and worked jobs like dishwasher in restaurants and other similar things.

I still remember him saying – and this was probably in the late 1970’s – how his Jamaican friends talked about native born blacks. Long story short – the Jamaicans thought the natives were pretty much useless.

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“Blacks assume that immigrants will agree with them on whites, while in my experience it is the opposite: immigrants agree with whites about blacks. ”
Both will agree that whites are there to be looted.

DLS
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DLS

I think the difference is that latin immigrants suck on the teat for a generation or two, which is bad. But black dependency is permanent.

3g4me
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3g4me

Wrong. Numerous studies have documented that all varieties of “latin immigrants” have less educational attainment, higher crime rates, and more welfare use with each ensuing generation – i.e. the American-born grandchildren of latin immigrants are assimilating to their own genetic norms and to levels of dysfunction approaching that of the American-born Negro. Ever heard of Jason Richwine’s badthink/research?

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

This is false. The longer immigrants are here, the more they and each generation afterward take in welfare benefits. 80% of Hispanics in America use at least 2 forms of welfare benefits, some 20-30% use up to 10 different forms of welfare benefits. White Americans naively think when they see Juanita & Paco heading out to do landscaping & toilet cleaning each day, that this means they aren’t getting any government gibs, because they themselves work and don’t get gibs. *shakes head* No, just no. They are siphoning off way more than blacks because they have more agency than blacks… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

This. Everyone here purporting to be dissident right also supports NAXALT and IKAGO. They are in for a rude awakening . . . which will be far too late for them and their offspring.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Bingo! That’s the long and short of what this conversation was missing. It doesn’t matter if these groups love or hate one another, as long as they can get gibs from Whitey, and they can blame Whiteys system of government that they are currently plundering. Immigrant blacks, per commenter above, dislikes the ghetto culture of blacks, but is more than willing to identify as one of them, if only for the purpose of getting Whiteys money from the government. As for the white immigrants from Europe willing to talk shit on the blacks & Muslims on the down low-why are… Read more »

calsdad
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calsdad

This is why we need to do all we can to encourage the break up of the Democrat Party (please don’t call it “democratic” – because it’s not). I think you’re correct: the blacks seem to think they’re going to grab power and lord it over whitey while everybody just goes along. How they think that 12% of the population is going to rule over 60+% of the population – is beyond me. Maybe they think they’re going to recreate South Africa – with the blacks in charge this time? The only explanation I can come up with to explain… Read more »

Dr, Dre
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Dr, Dre

You are right. I always say DEMOCRAT Party, and the folks therein are Democrats, right? What’s the problem?

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Why do you care if ppl call it the ‘Democratic Party?’ Democracy sucks ass and has proven to be a complete failure.
I cringe everytime I hear that word.
Besides, we already know what (((tribe))) rules us now, and what (((tribe))) will rule us in the future.

ifrank
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ifrank

1. the country splits up. 2. A strong man takes over. 3. Chinese or Russian invasion. 4. Civil war. 5. Cyber/Satellite/bio-chemical/nuclear/EMP holocaust

Major Kong
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Major Kong

I appreciate that many want it not to be true, but there are two words to describe the future, “Mad Max”

Major Kong
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Major Kong

What’s going to happen when a government vehicle passes your house with loudspeakers announcing you must vacate your home and property for it to be “reallocated” to several immigrant families? Anybody gonna’ have any heartburn with that?

Kentucky Headhunter
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If your house burns down, accidentally of course, (you’ve thought ahead and have a place to go to) then they can re-allocate the ashes with a shovel.

Anti-Gnostic
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Anti-Gnostic

Or when the 2nd Civil War comes about, and when the Alt Right foot soldiers demand that white people must leave their house because 1) they have Negro friends, 2) they are opposed to race realism, and 3) only “good whites” must remain. I’m sure you will be at the forefront, with AK47 in tow, leading the charge, right?

Member

Why would the Chinese or Russians invade a fucked up shithole?

Take your neocon gibberish back to National Review.

Wayne
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Wayne

Lebensaum for the Chinese

Rod1963
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Rod1963

It’s a nice place to live once you get rid of the brown skins and the white urban coastal dwellers, that’s why.

calsdad
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calsdad

That whole “we’re going to get invaded by the Russians!!” – and the current day ” We’re going to get invaded by the Chinese!!” – really gets tiresome after a while. Especially since we’ve got an invasion actually happening on the southern border – that all these same players go out of their way to completely deny. There seems to be a strain of “Invasion!!” retardation that runs thru American society. It’s latest manifestation was the “ISIS is going to invade us!!” crap I used to see pop up with regularity on many so-called conservative forums. Seems whenever ISIS would… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Yup. And you have one commenter above who likes the Bean people invasion so much, he out married his race, in order to have Bean hybrids instead of white kid’s.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

You think it’s likely the Chinese or Russians will invade us sometime within the next few decades? China still can’t afford most of their ppl, the Russians aren’t a whole heap better in that regard.
No. The future looks more like a hybrid of a M Eastern country mixed with Brazil.

Tamaqua
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Tamaqua

A couple thoughts on “multicultural” America- Don’t assume that minority groups will maintain their power they currently have (either political or demographically) without the substantial support of the white welfare state. These groups apparent ascension is largely dependent on white largesse. Remove that, and they could quickly revert to their 19th century status and power very quickly. Crudely, their power is solely based on white sufferance and unwillingness to impose our will on them, which, as any student of history will clearly see, is an exception, rather than the norm. If the social compact disintegrates, majority minorities will quickly find… Read more »

Issac
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Issac

Z-man believes the mandarin class can and will stop any of that from happening. He is likely correct. On the other hand, Z writes doom porn as a hobby.

Dr, Dre
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Dr, Dre

Whites/Yankees who have been here since the 1600s are sneaky little shits and will mess with these clowns like they’ve always done.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Z makes one mistake and that’s the same one the Romans – who were much better at this stuff than we are. You can’t control aggressive outsiders when you lack the military means to do so. Bribes only go so far. Sooner or later the Orks will realize they are being played by weaklings with no hole card. Really whats to stop Julio and Wanique from going into Malibu or Palo Alto loaded for bear with their homies once the white police are no more? Nothing. Look at Mexico, police are as corrupt as the cartels. That is what will… Read more »

calsdad
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calsdad

This only happens if whites continue to fear the police. You can only get a true vision of where your scenario goes – if you can answer the question of what whites do once the rules disappear and there’s no more police standing in their way. Once the police are full of black and brown faces – and are seen quite clearly to be utterly corrupt and/or ACTIVELY acting in the worst interests of whitey – I’m pretty sure you’re going to see a big change in the game. It might take a while for people to lose their illusions,… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

No. See: Africa, South

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

The Dem NeoLib shitlibs and Jews will have them all on UBI, welfare benefits, and they will vote for them in return. They will always vote for more socialism & authoritarianism. It takes a long, long time for a country like the US to fall. Hell, Venezuela is still chugging along, as well as Cuba.

Severian
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This is where lots of folks in Our Thing chime in with, “it’ll be Whites in power, because only Whites can run a first world society!” The second part of that is true, all right, but is the first? Look at South Africa — there are lots of folk, Black *and* White, still alive who remember when S.A. was a first world country. They know Black Africans are completely incapable of maintaining what they were given… but they’ll be cooking each other in the ruins of the streets before they beg the White man to come back and rule them.… Read more »

Jackson
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Jackson

Japan seems first world, I’ve been there 3 times over 30 years for about six weeks total. Traveled pretty extensively ..

Glenfilthie
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Glenfilthie

My mother is a boomer shitlib all the way through. Her vision for the future is one where the races eventually mix and homogenize, and all the frooty colours of the rainbow meld into a muddy brown sameness that will set the stage for the next glorious stage of human development.

I see race wars and genocide myself. But what do I know? I’m a deplorable fascist, literally worse than Hitler…

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

You and your mother share the same desire for genocide, the difference is, she just wants to genocide all races.

Alex
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Alex

This version of the future will also be interesting respective of US Foreign Policy. The mandarins in DC will be having to run rear-guard actions here at home to defend their decisions to invade other countries. I think the isolationism that has just begun under Trump will accelerate as the American homogeneity of the 20th Century devolves into the tribalism of the 21st.

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The failure to attack other countries is not “Isolationism”, a word used by warmongering morons.

calsdad
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calsdad

YES. “Isolationism” is another progressive word attack on traditional American values. Whenever you see somebody using it – assume their intentions are bad. The United States used to have a very deeply rooted live and let live attitude. That’s why the disparate pieces were able to get along as well as they did. The Union Yankees blew that to shit in the Civil War , but then the underlying culture bounced back to it – at least to a point. In the early 20th century the progressive destroyers started in on their long term project to destroy the Republic –… Read more »

calsdad
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calsdad

“Isolationism” paints you as a progressive globohomo activist.

The true traditional American value that has been destroyed by the progressive left is: MYOFB.

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I had exactly this conversation the other night. We agreed with the inevitable minority status of whites that we had better secure our dominant status and power. Under our present form of government this cannot happen. Some sort of upheaval slow or quick will have to happen for this to manifest itself. The Democrats are heading for more internal chaos and restructuring that will force whites there to abandon it. Hillary and her ilk don’t get it yet but they are done now. It’s a brown and libertine party all the way down. Of course the scattering cockroaches of white… Read more »

calsdad
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calsdad

Yes – their scattering should give people pause.

Because it’s apparent by reading thru some of the comments here that they are spreading around everywhere – including here.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Doesn’t matter if the left fails now, they can sit back & fail for a while,because they know they will win thru demography, in the end.

wholy1
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wholy1

Anybody willing guess how all the “gunned-up” may “react” to such a “scenario”?

Dave
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Dave

How will they react ?
The “gunned up” haven’t done anything yet, and give no indication, other than talking, that they will ever organize and start shooting.
The gunned up are as comfortable and apathetic as the rest of white America.

Sidvic
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Sidvic

waco, a very unsympathetic cult, shook lose McVeigh. It does not take many.

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wholy1
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wholy1

Suspect “Dave” doesn’t “pack heat” cuz “Dave” doesn’t seem to know that the serious “gunners” don’t whip out heat until they fully intend to use it. If/when all the local gov-agents/enforcers/thugs hastily bug families to the nearest “FEMA Gulag” camp, all those guns will get “utilized”. Until such a “show-down” materializes, said WORKING/PRODUCTIVE “gunners” will simply carry on being said, but PREPARED – quietly.

Dave
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Dave

“Dave” “here”, I “suspect” that “wholy1” is a part of the same “molon labe” tribe that talk a good game and never follow through.
Will “you” utilize your guns like that sap Lavoy Finicum did ?
You’ll end up just like he did, face down in the snow while his family watches in horror.
I’ve been reading about “preppers” and “survivalists” for 30 years and you guys have sat silently by as our entire society crumbles while warning about the day when you all pick up your guns and save America, which is going to happen any minute now.

Ursula
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Ursula

To be fair, they are waiting for the time of complete lawlessness and chaos — when they’ll be needed.

wholy1
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wholy1

yo Ursula – kisses, dear. In such a “situation”, what be you – “needer” or “provider” [to the repentant]? (wink/smile)

wholy1
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wholy1

LOL – >” . . . reading about “preppers” and “survivalists” for 30 years and you guys have sat silently by as our entire society crumbles . . .”< Uh, "OUR society"? Ya gotta turd in ur pocket? Your eagerness to presume/label pretty much discloses your . . . .whatever, let alone your eagerness to blame somebody/thing else. Bet you're a "citYzen", though – and UNprepared to boot. If that be the case and you have wife/children – shame. Also suspect you disregard/know ANYTHING about "PlanB/SystemD". Did ya vote for the Hildabeast? Shame again.

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It doesn’t seem like whites have the will to rule. When you look at that 60% white number I always cut it in half because we’ve been so fractured by generations of propaganda that really only 30% of white people count. And of course that numbers always dropping

Ivar
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The road from soft, complacent and atomized to hard, cooperative and focused can be traveled, but I wonder how many of us have the desire and the time to travel it?

Most American whites work inside and are not even capable of killing and dressing a chicken. A significant percentage appears to be insane. A distressing number can’t change a flat tire. Most of us are not reproducing so the population will be old when The Day comes. Pulling an army of Minutemen out of that mix will be tough.

Tamaqua
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Tamaqua

Doesn’t have to be most whites who do the work of policing the others, if-and this is the problem today- the limp wristed universalists stay the fuck out of the way. A very small minority of Southern whites were able to completely control the antebellum South (and the 1876-1958 version) prior to the interference of Yankee whites with bayonets in 1863 or Supreme Court writs in 1958. Soft and complacent isn’t hereditary-the Japanese and Germans learned that lesson to their sorrow in 1945. That hardness can be relearned with the minority who still have that skill to teach it. It… Read more »

Lineman
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Lineman

The road from soft, complacent and atomized to hard, cooperative and focused can be traveled, but I wonder how many of us have the desire and the time to travel it? It won’t happen until the pain hits I’m afraid and by that time it will be at the point that many will just give up and submit to whatever is facing them…I’ve come to the conclusion most people won’t do anything for their survival(except a few illusions) until they are forced to…You know its kind of ironic because I should be one of those who think the good times… Read more »

Major Kong
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Major Kong

There are a lot of smart folks here… a lot of academicians… a lot of esoteric if-this-then-that theorizing. All great stuff over a beer. Probably many folks here are high achievers living in nice houses in the suburbs surrounded by pinko neighbors and all relatively safe. Up to now maybe the most you’ve experienced is being asked to go to the back of the line so the immigrants can go to the front. I’ll venture a guess. It’s going to get a whole lot less theoretical.

Lineman
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Lineman

Up to now maybe the most you’ve experienced is being asked to go to the back of the line so the immigrants can go to the front. I’ll venture a guess. It’s going to get a whole lot less theoretical.
If you were directing that at me then your way off base since I’ve worked in the ghettos of Chicago, LA, Seattle, Deep South, and have experienced a lot more than back of the line…

Major Kong
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Lineman – oh no… I especially liked your stuff and gave you a “+”… that was sub-nested under Ivar’s comment and wasn’t intended for anyone specific, just a generic comment more for the academic side of Z’s readership

Lineman
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Gotcha Brother…Hope life is treating you well…

Arch Stanton
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Ivar, I really admire your turn of phrase…”The road from …”. It almost makes you think that the very best thing the white population could do is prepare, then burn the whole mess down and wait out the inevitable die-off.

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What percent of the colonists supported the Am Revolution during its infancy? It wasn’t until the FOREIGN “Brutish” bastards began increasingly acting like most of the “Feral” gov “agents/enforcers/thugs” are doing now. Doesn’t matter which majority-minority group takes power – its how said power is “exercised” that causes the [opposite] “reaction”.

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I thought the Am revolution started because of what a minority feared might happen. There was a lot of extrapolation and propaganda. People were looking for change and used anything to justify it. The opposite seems to apply now: people refuse to see what is happening and are wishcasting about the future regardless of the evidence in front of them.

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Exactly this. Rod Dreher, who many here would call a type of cuck, had an interesting piece yesterday in which he reviewed an author who describes, in detail, what life was like for the final pagan generation in Rome, before the entire society was Christianized and barbarized, so to speak. The author makes clear, and Dreher emphasizes this point, that that final pagan generation could clearly see that overwhelming change was upon them, and yet had neither the will nor the vision to change course, despite being the elites of their Empire. They couldn’t imagine life being anything other than… Read more »

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Been reading Francois Guizot’s History of Civilization in Europe as part of my French Revolution project. At the fall of Rome and the barbarian invasions he sees three powers competing for hegemony, the municipal, clerical, and monarchical. These despite all of the competing tribes of barbarians. Of course, the people involved were all white, but they could easily be distinguished on the basis of appearance, clothing, speech, and behavior, probably as easily as one can see racial differences. My take is that there ultimately many kinds of forces at play in how society shakes out after a crisis, and even… Read more »

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Good analysis – thx. To those not yet inland rural “GROUNDed” on a portion of UNencumbered/UNaddressed county “allodium” and . . . REPENTed, GROUPed/GATHERed, GUNned, GARDENed, PROVISIONed and . . . S-I-M-P-L-I-F-I-E-D, the “clock is ticking”. The “quickening/entropy” will NOT be [forever] deferred/avoided.

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Not really. The only people who seem to have a problem with diversity and vibrancy are whites. The truth is that white men are scared for two reasons 1. we know we cannot compete on a level playing field. Once are privileges are removed a meritocracy ensues and demographics mirror those of the NBA where People of Color thrive. The very fact that business and education do not mirror the NBA tells you all need to know about white supremacy working in society 2. we know that we possess inferior masculinity. there is a reason that whites do not have… Read more »

Corn
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Hi Tiny Duck!

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TD with correct grammar and spelling.

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Damn Tiny, you used to use a surname is your trolling.

Drake
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Excellent trolling. I love me some “diversity and vibrancy”. Hell, I have tacos every Tuesday.

Tully
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Shut up, Tad.

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Wow, is that true? I’m woke now.

Consider the country of Iceland(pop less than 500k) has over 15 grandmasters of chess. This is more than the entire continent of Africa, with over a billion people, and African Americans everywhere (1grandmaster). How can a pipsqueek country be sooo selfish? We should be talking about Icelandic privilege.

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Yeah. We need NBA players engineering our bridges. We’ll all feel safer.

King Tut
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King Tut

THE TRUTH AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What nonsense. You think physicality is everything. My dog is probably 10 times stronger than me pound-for-pound but she’s never going to rule the world

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Hahahaha! This is awesome performance art you’re doing here. Now public auto-disimpaction is a little avant garde for my tastes, but as they say, “You gotta be you.” But on the off chance this is not theater of the absurd: Ah, what the hell, there’s half of a moldy old bag of Purina Troll Chow somewhere around here. Lemme see if I can find it… Just for the sake of argument, let’s say there really IS white privilege. So how do those weak, incompetent, inferior, non-masculine white men MAINTAIN this white privilege? >NBA where People of Color thrive Are you… Read more »

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PATHETIC. An “OOT” – “Out Of Touch” – cucked, soy-boy beta-male/academic cry-bully, I suspect. BARF.

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There was a blackpilly article in Thermidor recently about how the right is basically too disorganized and/or lazy to do much. And that they can basically only be bothered to VOTE, which is why Trump and Brexit won, but why leftists control everything–because the leftists put in the time and energy to take control. Accepting that as a reality, a realistic plan might be to pursue state-by-state independence referendums. Just gotta vote–doable for even the demoralized and enervated. After that, the whiter states can put in white-people policies and institutions. And you might get a big sort, with whities/righties moving… Read more »

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When all is said and done, today will be “the good old days”. Like the Roaring Twenties before the depression and WW2. Enjoy the trip, ladies and gents.

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I’ve believed for a while that what we whites have to do, to prepare for the future, is to find one another and go back to living together in walled towns like we did in the Middle Ages, with thick walls like the Vatican has. Vet the people who want to move in. Post guards at the gates who will challenge any stranger who approaches. Kick people out who can’t get along.

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Walls ceased to matter after gunpowder. Need to control surrounding countryside like the Spartans. They got along fine without walls.

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Walls ceased to matter after gunpowder…
I could have fun with that statement but I will just ask are you one of those that are taking off their front doors because you don’t believe in walls at the border…I’m guessing you’re not so why throw out that argument about walls not mattering…

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Z recently pointed out that black Americans live a negative existence, in that every facet of their lives and history bump up against and are defined by white reaction to them. Hispanics/Latinos and Asians don’t seem to have this problem. Similarly, the Left has situated itself so that every element of their existence bumps up against politics (read “Trump”). They are appropriating the negative lives of the black Americans, in their own twisted way! While I don’t doubt the dangerousness and the seriousness of the majority-minority situation that is headed our way, perhaps we can rise out of it by… Read more »

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Z: “America will be majority-minority. We can seal the borders tomorrow and the facts will not change. There’s no answer to that problem.”

The answer in capitalists countries has always been to help usher as many people into the middle class as possible. Once bourgeoisie, their anger subsides and they seek to enforce the peaceful order. I guess, for many reasons, that’s no longer a viable plan?

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Did middle class blacks in Detroit or Chicago help to enforce peaceful order? Or did they vote along racial lines and turn cities into rule by the mob?

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Were the Bagel People, whom we’ve bent over backwards ushering into not just becoming members of the bourgeoisie, but dominating large sections of our elites, subsumed their anger and sought to enforce the peaceful order? Did Harvard educated Obama or any of his minority minions like Jarrett, Holder, or Lynch?

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I’m not trying to nit-pick, but Obummer wasn’t “Harvard” educated – he was passed along as an AA “graduate” so pathetic that his grades have been kept “secret”.

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Homo economicus is a figment of the globalist’s rhetoric. Race is real and DNA matters.

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Thanks, Z, for this extended version of your teaching moment with the annoying Ecce on Luke Ford. Demographic realism is just part of being a grown-up.

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” In every country, one group dominates the rest, imposing their idea of order on the society. … The rule in multi-cultural, multi-tribal societies, is that one tribe rules the rest. That’s our future. The question is which groups will come to dominate the rest and what sort of system will they impose in order to remain in charge.”

Uh, the Jews? Isn’t that the plan: America becomes NYC, ruled over by the beneficent Bloombergs and other fixers?

Ganderson
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Ganderson

Lord Flashheart!

Tekton
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“one tribe rules the rest. That’s our future…” I was going to comment on that slip of the lip (was a slip, right Z?) but thought against it. Too passe these days I guess. Sheesh, took half a hundred comments to acknowledge it.

Anyway, thanks Flash.

And to be clear, it’s our PRESENT AND OUR PAST. The “Tribe” that rules us is Esau/Edom, in a battle to the death to get their ‘birthright’ back, which our father, Jacob “the heal-catcher” stole from them fair and square.

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If it’s inevitable that whites will become a minority, and if it’s inevitable that one minority will dominate the rest, then whites had better develop the idea that they are going to be that dominating minority. Perhaps the election of Donald Trump is an indication that that idea is emerging.

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Trump appears to be over the target, considering the amount of flak he is taking.

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Whoa. Talk about blackest of black pills!

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There’s also the issue of pride involved. At this point, both the most rational and the most likely solution involves breakup. Yes, the red areas and blue areas must go their own way, but it’s also true that everything we conquered from Mexico in the 1840s is almost certainly going to have to be written off and returned to them (or made an independent new Latino country). Precisely zero white Americans – conservatives especially – want to hear that. Are we not an Empire? Do we not span the globe like colossus? How can we lose half of California and… Read more »

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“did brave men not die at Gettysburg and Shiloh to preserve the Union given to us by Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Monroe? ”

No, they didn’t. They died for fanatics determined to destroy the old Union and remake a new one to their liking, all to free an inferior race that’s caused nothing but destruction wherever they go.

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“free an inferior race”- bollocks. It really is time to end the nonsense that the Civil War was about slavery. It wasn’t. Read Lincolns First Inaugural address, the one they don’t teach you at school. He’s happy with slavery and threatens violence only if the Feds taxes aren’t collected. “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess… Read more »

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I believe anything that Lincoln said to be on the same level as the lies that spewed from Obama’s mouth for eight long years. Oh, he said it, but he sure as shit didn’t mean it, any more than the Clintons when they open their holes. Lincoln’s Party was full of radical abolitionists, who secretly funded and encouraged John Brown’s murder sprees in Kansas and at Harpers Ferry, and he relied on them to get him elected, and you tell me that old Honest Abe wasn’t gonna touch slavery? That’s naivety of astounding proportions on your part. Southerners, rightfully, didn’t… Read more »

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A historian you say?

Bartleby the Scrivener
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Bravo.
Possibly one of the best posts ever.

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“Lincoln’s Party was full of radical abolitionists, who secretly funded and encouraged John Brown’s murder sprees in Kansas and at Harpers Ferry, and he relied on them to get him elected, and you tell me that old Honest Abe wasn’t gonna touch slavery?” Don’t forget than many of lincoln’s ‘supporters’ were jewish adherents of karl marx that fled Europe after 1848 to colonize here for marx. In fact , lincoln and marx knew of and approved of each other and shared their ideas quite extensively via letters. karl marx wanted to see America turned communist; he hoped that lincoln could… Read more »

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If I’m not mistaken, this is the 2nd time you’ve written about ‘writing off’ the greater southwest, including Texas. Why don’t you come down here to South Texas and tell that to our faces. Ain’t no way any white in Texas is going to cede any acreage whatsoever back to the meskins. Who the F are you to be spouting that horseshit anyway?

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For the record, I don’t think we’d have to write off all of Texas, just the southwestern parts of it. But since you don’t like that, what’s your alternate plan?

A.B. Prosper
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I’ve got family roots in Texas so this isn’t some Damned Yankee talk here you might be proud enough to take a poke at someone when they hurt your Texas pride but your guys haven’t the spine to put in politicians to do with it much less commit mass slaughter.

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What difference does it make, whether you cede land to the Beans? They are outnumbering you 2 to 1 in births, your state power will flip to blue within the next couple of election cycles and they will have the power of the state to take your land in the ballot box, after they take your guns.

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Fertility issues in the US are loopy. As of now the Hispanic Fertility rate is maybe at replacement and it requires new immigrants to keep significant growth since demographic momentum is less of an issue The Black rate is higher, its subsidized though and the homicide rate is insane Just sending some people back freezing future admissions and fixing marriage would tip the scales back in Y/T’s favor though at current rates the US will belong to the Amish /Evangelicals and LDS in a hundred years change anyway The real t fix need to be an appetite for conquest and… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Hispanics are replacing themselves at a higher rate than both blacks and whites.
They don’t need new immigrants to win the game of demography.

A.B Prosper
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Hispanic is a vague category and Hispanic fertility rates are declining very fast.

Pew Research notes that Hispanic fertility jumps for the 1st five years but bricks soon after and from what I can tell reaches close to White levels . No inflow less problems

In any case its not a numbers game if it comes to lead , its a brains game

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What we see in the Middle East is not merely one group dominating the rest. In most cases, and Sadie Hussein is but one example, it is a minority group which dominates. In Syria a tiny minority. Correct me if I err, but this is no less true in Mexico and points south (substitute Caucasian for ethnic Arab sect). So it is that our new majority-minority ruling population of Progs will only have to change it’s facade to reach down to it’s fascist soul, like Mexico. That turning could be quicker than we think. There is no way forward, or… Read more »

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“Given current immigration and fertility numbers, America will be a majority-minority country within a generation. The crisis of our age is not just how we respond to this reality, but how we come to accept it.” Z, it sounds like you have chosen as your role the doctor who delivers the bad news and won’t give you any false hope. Maybe your diagnosis is right; but there are a lot of variables in play and none of us can know them all. One I am pretty sure of is that if we are not to become Northern Brazil, whites need… Read more »

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I think we also have to look at demographic breakout across portions of these United States and regionally to make sense of what is happening and might happen. Looking at a county-by-county level, across broad swaths of this nation (looking to move, myself), I’ve noted that this demographic impact is tremendously localized. Even with regards to hispanics, there are areas of extreme minority population, and vast sections that are 85, 90 or even 95 to 98% comprised of European descendents. The huge growth in non-white groups is largely confined to our cities. Of course, this is why Obama had his… Read more »

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Given that the country is one economic upset away from a revolution of sorts and we are in a massive asset bubble that can burst at any time. I wouldn’t go making long term predictions. We barely dodged the bullet in 2008. It’s just a matter of how long they can keep kicking the can down the road and by extension keep the welfare state alive, which in turn keeps the cities from being burnt down by all the low IQ cultural vibrants. Here in So Cal, I get to see the slow and destructive decline as we get more… Read more »

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We don’t really need an economic upset, the process in play takes us to the same place anyway. The Rodney King riots started over a police traffic stop.

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“Barring genocide or some weird plague, the land currently called America will be majority-minority.”

Why do we keep barring genocide? Looking back through history, it seems to work pretty well. Whites historically seem to be rather good at it, though certainly not the only ones.

I’m not interested in advocating genocide; I’m not advocating it at all. I just wonder why everyone acts like it’s so unthinkable. Almost like since it’s such an effective option, we’ve been trained not to think about it. *shrug* I just wonder about things like this.

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There are genocides in play right now. The obscene black-on-black ghetto murder rate is one, and the high black abortion rate is another. Interesting in that the “compassionate” left is front and center in keeping these genocides up and running. My practical side is not completely opposed to letting these things play out as they do, for both the obvious reasons, and also that it feeds the cognitive dissonance on the left.

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It’s not unthinkable. It happens quite often. And it’s foolish to think the Orks will allow whites to live in peace when they get into power, there is every indication they want us dead and gone. Yet for some odd reason no one is paying attention to this. Oh happy, happy, joy, joy as Stimpy the Cat would say. Sailer writes endless posts on the elite mouthpieces in the NYT and other rags just putting the sheer hate on whitey and openly want us to die. He doesn’t need to add commentary because they speak for themselves. When people in… Read more »

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I was thinking about the CivNats during the buildup to the announcement of the SCJ nominee. The usual suspects were going on about wanting a strict “originalist.” In reality they’d be leading the outrage brigade if the nominee interpreted the plain meaning of the Preamble to the Constitution and the Naturalization Act of 1790 as the founders’ intention.
There are things that could be done but there’s not the political will to do them, which is pretty much the same thing.

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Liberal democracy assumes people are loyal to their narrow economic interests I disagree with your terminology but not the general idea. A focus on “economic interests” is the hallmark of Marxist analysis. Unhappily, both the (R) and the (D) parties subscribe to that theory. It is almost unique to Trump NOT to subscribe to that analysis, by the way. He rises above the fray because his ‘economic interests’ are that of the ENTIRE country, not just the pharmaceuticals, or farmers, or welfare recipients, or social security recipients, or manufacturers, or shopkeepers (etc.) Should the (R) Party ever subscribe to the… Read more »

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I’m sure I’m not the only one to note the lack of terrorist attacks since the CIA and FBI have been diverted to the more important task of dethroning Trump.

And the Zman doesn’t believe in conspiracies?

Who burner?
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Who burner?

I think they are simply afraid of Trump.

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I agree with your contention that we needn’t worry about things we can’t change. And I’m interested in hearing more about your ideas on changing the moral climate of the culture. It seems like the cloud people take amoral issues (like noticing differences or immigration) and turn them into complicated morality plays. It is why the whomp whomp meme is so funny. It’s an enfuriating way to tell them, I don’t care about your morals without even listening to their case. If you do another single topic podcast this would be fascinating subject.

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That whole “get the right people into office!!” is a typical left wing whine if you ask me. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve heard this come out of the mouths of lefties. After Obama got elected I heard that refrain CONSTANTLY. “He’s really smart” “he’s new so he won’t do things the same old way” ….. over and over and over again. Although the “conservative” types that we now refer to as cuckservatives seem to also make this same comment quite frequently too. Listening to them use that excuse to all sorts of left wing overreach –… Read more »

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Practically every day, (I work in construction) I am faced with a choice between hopeful short-cuts and what I know from experience will work. What works will take longer, and it will require more sweat – maybe a little blood – lots of 4-letter words, and a lot of effort. The younger guys who work with me are all in favor of the short cuts, and now and then – if there’s enough time in the job – I actually try some. I like to finish the day early as much as anyone else, but we rarely do. Still, every… Read more »

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Pretty stressful forum today. Maybe it’s time we made ourselves a cocktail and calmly accept this acceptance thing.

Your toy balloon has sailed
But now it must fall
Now your sad eyes reveal
Just how badly you feel
‘Cause there is no easy way down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ngDY0KfHw

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Well at least the Yankee’s had the winning model,kill a whole lot a people,problem solved. Bring back the “Wide Awakes”!

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Genocide is a plausible option though who gets the ax is up in the air.

Anti-Gnostic
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A number of people here do not have the guts to lift that ax, especially if it means slicing and dicing white children who the offspring of the enemy.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

Mortality can be a bitch sometimes and going from a prosperous healthy society to one where everyone acts like they are the illegitimate love child of Anders Brehvik and MS13 is a lot to ask from people We live in Internet time so everything seems to take forever but in reality , in meat space time things are happening fast and we’ve gone from White Nationalism as cranks and bad people to just about everyone to more than few people saying “they have a few points” in a decade or something and we’ll be at “damn right” in not that… Read more »

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TINVOWOOT. There is no voting our way out of this. Voting was for never getting ourselves in this pickle to begin with. Not for getting out of a mess we are ultimately responsible for, as in, it all begins with each of us, before it involves all of us. What’s next is 4th Generation war. Z, you live in the thick of the most sordid Marxian state imaginable, the peoples state of Massachusetts. I know, I was born and bred in NH, watched the statist invade the granite state. It was cultural and economic genocide. Literally. It is hard to… Read more »

wholy1
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yo, Zman, great “stuff” as usual, but “answer[s]” only have relevance in action/substance. Meh, “majority-minority” is NOT about WHATEVER group takes power, but how that power is then exercised. It’s the “from my cold dead hands” G-U-N-S that keep the globalist/int’l financial [D]elites/PTB (Psychopaths That Bugger) at bay, and only in so long as “Merkaa” remains strong.

Owen
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Current demographic trends may very well result in a majority-minority population — when looking at the entire landmass currently known as the USA.

But who says the relationship between that landmass and that political entity is set in stone? We may bear witness to the emergence of several new polities, some of which would be majority White by design.

Whatever happens, I expect the following axiom will remain true:

Diversity + proximity = conflict

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My hope for God’s justice is when the brown people and muslims do a pogrom on the Jews that the whites don’t hide them or offer them escape because it was they that caused their own destruction

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Think the last couple of post nailed it. It’s been said we’re the most connected generation ever yet suffer from the most loneliness. Finding like-minded people in these liberal enclaves won’t be easy. However have now realized that is the important thing to do. Find like-minded people ,get to know them and see what happens next. We could easily sputter long in this political morass for years to come or things should go south very quickly. There are some similarities with history, but I feel this present situation is unique and there’s really no way of telling what the future… Read more »