Ghosts and Goblins

Thirty years ago, everyone knew what it meant to be a liberal. They wanted to tax the rich and spend the proceeds on the poor. They wanted to regulate business so they could not exploit their workers or harm the environment. That meant favoring unions in the law. On foreign policy, liberals were the doves when it came to dealing with the Soviets. Of course, everyone knew what being a liberal meant when it came to social issues. The point being, liberalism was a well defined list of policy positions and opinions.

Today, what it means to be a liberal is a complete mystery, even to the people who proudly say they are on the Left. The Netroots Nation was this weekend, so all of the grandees of Progressivism were in New Orleans to pitch their ideas. Take a look at the agenda. Other than the promises to oppose Trump, most of it focused on building traffic for their websites. “Digital Security For Organizers Of Color” sounds amusing, but mostly because it has that familiar paranoia that has come to define the modern Left.

If you bother to watch any of the speeches, the tone is what you would expect from people facing the end times. One after another it was a rallying call for the fight against some monster, real or imagined. At least the ranting about Trump includes a real person, even if the bill of indictment is insane. When you think about it, the Russian collusion business is just an updated version of “cavorting with the devil.” Their argument is that Trump made a deal with the evil one, who magically altered the outcome of the 2016 election.

That’s what liberalism is these days. It is a weird collection of superstitions about various ghosts and goblins like racism and white privilege. Racism no longer means prejudice against another race or even antagonism toward another race. Racism is the evil spirit that is somehow responsible for unequal outcomes. White privilege is just another name for the same mysterious force. It’s how millionaire black athletes can be victims of racism because the white middle class fans stop watching them over the anthem protests.

Another aspect of this is the extreme paranoia. Listen to the Left these days and you get the impression America is now the movie The Purge. The faithful spend every night in their bunker homes. Here is a story from Breitbart about Bill Maher claiming that the United States is turning into Iraq. He does not mean the post-war Iraq. He means the the Saddam version where his Al-Bu Nasir tribe ruled over the nation. In Maher’s version, Trump, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch rule over Maher’s oppressed majority.

Now, Maher is a cynical provocateur and opportunist. He was a hack comic for a long time until he figured out how to stoke the fears and fantasies of liberal fanatics. It is debatable as to how much he believes any of the stuff he says. In this case, he is clearly trying to appeal to his audience, by naming three hobgoblins of the Left. The fact that Charles Koch despises Trump and Murdoch was a Hillary supporter makes his theory as nutty as the Russian hacking nonsense, but his audience is not rational.

This vision of themselves as the put upon minority is integral to Progressive identity politics. Not only do the constituencies needs to believe they are victims, the Judeo-Puritan project is rooted in a bunker mentality. Their sense of the world is of a righteous people holed up in a New England town, as the imperial forces encircle them, while they pray the oil holds out until the golem arrives to free them. It is a dogs breakfast of both spiritual and mythological strains that make up modern Progressivism.

Again, Maher does this because he knows his audience is stupid and this stuff works on them, but it speaks to something about the modern Left. Conventional conservatives like the go on about how the Left has no ideas now. That is true in the nuts and bolts public policy sense. The Left is no longer a political force. It’s made the turn and is on its way to becoming the Cult of the Supreme Being. Unlike Robespierre’s invention, this version is esoteric, mysterious and oriental. There is no defined supernatural, just a sense of it.

It’s also very feminine. The hysterical shrieking about the hobgoblins that haunt the Left is reminiscent of the old Blondie cartoons, where the woman would stand on a chair shrieking about a mouse in the kitchen. In a more sophisticated age, the readers knew that the woman’s performance was just that, a performance. It was an acting out and reinforcement of traditional sex roles. Today, when the Progressive climbs onto her chair and shrieks, there is no mouse and no man to rush in and comfort her. It’s a lonely act.

This collapse of Progressivism into a feminine mystery cult is why conventional conservatism has collapsed. Conservatism was never a genuine alternative. Their role was as a foil to the Left. That worked as long as Progressives had a policy agenda, but that is not longer the case. Listen to the leading figures of the Left and their policy proposals range from comically ridiculous to vaguely aspirational. Again, you see the feminization. The Bernie Bros are now Bernie gals like Ocasio-Cortez and Sarah Smith.

What this says about what comes next is hard to know. Spiritual movements are a part of the human condition. Anthropologists think belief is one of the earliest modern human traits, co-evolving with language. As Christianity fades in the West, something must replace it. Maybe we are seeing the birth of the next great religion. Alternatively, the ranting and raving against nature could be the death howls of a culture that has reached its terminal point. The end is a people huddled in darkness, afraid of the goblins outside.

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Tax Slave
Tax Slave
1 year ago

You honestly believe Christianity hasn’t made it through harder times?

Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

then unfortunately that would be islam

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  greyenlightenment
1 year ago

Replace the mullahs and their fanatic followers with feminists, and you aren’t too far off. Same story, different faces.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

but the same mustaches.

MAA Shyuejinn
MAA Shyuejinn
Member
Reply to  bilejones
1 year ago

Don’t forget the beards!

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  greyenlightenment
1 year ago

The problem w islam is, you cant run anything with it, it kills technological etc progress.

Eric
Eric
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Christianity seems to be on fire in China, so I suspect it’s just the death of the culture, stripped of its foundation.

Perhaps I think so because I’m a Christian, but I’ve noticed that no new religion has sprung up in Europe; the Soviets didn’t even manage to get any sort of real buy-in to Marxism, and no one is building temples to the EU.

All that seems to replace Christianity is sort of a vague, hedonistic and yet self-hating slow death cult.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Eric
1 year ago

The normal practice is pre Christian Europe was folk religion. Often these faiths had similar or the same Gods but religion was a local thing for a people, by a people The Romans didn’t even interfere with this so long as you acknowledge their Gods were stronger. Its just Christianity that wanted uniform and universal adherence directed from Rome or wherever. This clearly isn’t working for Europeans and attempts to replace Christianity with another universal strain isn’t wanted and despite what the Deus Volt crowd or the Muslims think needed, My guess is Europe will either secularize or more likely… Read more »

R7 Rocket
R7 Rocket
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
1 year ago

If Prophet Musk and Bezos were stopped from building their spaceships… it’s not gonna be from made up crap like “ecological overshoot,” it’s going to be from a political act from the Turd World invaders and those who worship the Turd World invaders.

Fen Tiger
Fen Tiger
Reply to  Eric
1 year ago

If environmentalism isn’t a religion, what is it?

Johnmark7
Johnmark7
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’ve been supposing this for many years now: the inefficacy of Christianity against the modern world. It is no longer a credible belief system for elites and rulers. Too many of its claims break down against natural science and basic reality. The Christianity that is personally credible (experience of the risen Lord) usually ends up getting trapped in useless dogmas. Therefore, what belief system is credible for the ruling class? Their utopianism is anti-life, a gnostic death cult in the end, but what is an alternative for them? There is none. it is all a gotterdammerung for them in the… Read more »

Shrugger
Shrugger
Reply to  Johnmark7
1 year ago

Or maybe the gnostic elites don’t make it through the catastrophe…

Pimpkin's Nephew
Pimpkin's Nephew
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

(1) “Paganism still has adherents. Just not anywhere that matters.” Like, for example, the internet? Take a peak – if you dare – at the extensive and amazing stuff posted over the years by John Michael Greer, until recently an arch-druid and currently posting at ‘Ecosophia’. Greer does his homework, writes beautifully, and goes to the trouble of editing out egregious spelling and grammar errors from his text, as a courtesy to his readers. If JMG doesn’t matter, then do you? (2) “The only religion that matters is the one that inspires the rulers or inspires their replacements.” Ok, tell… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Pimpkin's Nephew
1 year ago

When the final battles come, who/whom won’t be so easy to figure out after all – even for us who “care” about all the issues examined here at the Z-blog.
It will be if you know them on a personal basis and have broke bread with them…

Pimpkin's Nephew
Pimpkin's Nephew
Reply to  Tax Slave
1 year ago

I predict that somewhere, another thousand years from now, groups of people will gather to celebrate the Eucharist and listen to the Gospel, when all the other programs and systems for human sanity have broken down, all the libraries burned, all the infrastructure of current-year Empire has vanished under the cinders and dust of global fiasco.

So I remain cheerful.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Tax Slave
1 year ago

Almost all white Christians alive today will go to their graves as anti-whites. The only reason that Christianity was compatible with white people is because the individual relation with Christ comports with the individualism of whites.

Do you support a wholesome nation for your family or a platform for getting Tyrone into heaven?

AntiDem
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Reply to  Tax Slave
1 year ago

The Western civilization will not and cannot be restored without Christianity, because the Western civilization is Christian at its very core. If Christianity cannot be restored, then the Western civilization will die. If you tried restoring it with something else at its core, then what you’d get would not really be the Western civilization, but something else. The reason that historians invented the term “Byzantine” to describe the empire run from Constantinople (who referred to themselves as “Romaioi”) was precisely because, even though they called themselves Roman, their civilization wasn’t centered on paganism and ended up becoming something else that… Read more »

miforest
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Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

Join the discussion…I agree. The future will be Christian or Muslim. everything else is just not credible as a societal resource. Many here seem to discount the muslims past successes. they have been a conquering force for a 1400 yrs. they had some defeats, but they never ever quit . They are in-group preference personified . as a catholic, I worry .
a good listen to bill werner is a good start. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wugWj42pLI

Jane
Jane
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

To be more specific: western civilization is The Catholic Church’s canon law.

George
George
Member
1 year ago

Communism was their next religion after, uh, religion. I reckon this new thing they’ve got is going to turn out just as great.

Ganderson
Ganderson
1 year ago

My TV was left on HBO, and when I turned it on Maher was on talking to some loony professor (middle aged cat lady division) about how the right wingers control everything. It was interesting to see that kind of idiocy in plain sight.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
1 year ago

Since the Chinese, Japanese, and Russians don’t appear to be participating in this leftist death cult, having already survived their own versions, I think the resulting collapse will be confined to the US, Canada, and western Europe….I think, however, that heavily armed American dissidents will prevent the worst excesses of these lunatics.

bilejones
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Reply to  pyrrhus
1 year ago

That Rachael Maddow is still alive seems proof that “heavily armed American dissidents” will continue to do nothing.

Frip
Member
Reply to  bilejones
1 year ago

You may want to go easy on that kind of talk.

Member
1 year ago

Leftist (and to a much lesser degree, Rightist) politics as a replacement for traditional religion is so plausible that an entire army of scientists should be investigating the subject. But, as so many of the intelligentsia are Leftists, they can’t begin to conceive of such a notion.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
1 year ago

“The end of white Christian America” – very interesting read. It’s been heading this direction in Europe for decades. Immigration will only make matters worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/20/end-of-white-christian-america

David Wright
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Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
1 year ago

Christianity wasn’t defeated or taken away from it’s adherents but surrendered by them.

fodderwing
fodderwing
1 year ago

I have long mused on what the Left would look like without the conservative foil, thinking the Left would collapse once they really started winning. I think your observation regarding conventional conservativism’s co-dependent relationship with the Left is right on the money. As to what comes next, therapy.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  fodderwing
1 year ago

Without at least the token resistance offered by the right, they would proceed along the same arc as all leftist movements. Because of the size and wealth of the U.S., the collapse would be even more spectacular and bloody than Venezuela, Cambodia. China, Russia…

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Yesterday I watched Millie from InfoWars interviewing Trump protestors in Ohio. Shrieking is all they did. Now that I think about it, it’s all shrieking. That’s what it’s come down to. I can’t help but think about what comes next.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Infowars will soon be gone, and up next will be Breitbart. The left will wipe us out one by one, and all we seem to do is complain. No riots, and at best a few token lawsuits. And any complaining we do is interpreted as whining, and we cannot signal weakness. Trump could change it all by just tweeting “Nationalize” in the same sentence with either “Facebook” or “Google”, but will he???

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  DeBeers Diamonds
1 year ago

We need alternative ways to make cyber communities. B/c you re right, they want to break up the focal points and communication channels, they want to deal w 200 million individuals, not a huge, communicating mass.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

No social platform is sustainable without ad revenue. A subscription based model has not been shown to work, does Gab even have 1 million users, let alone 100K pro members?

We know who dominates the ad industry, and we know the power of outrage mobs to get corporations to get woke. Marketers only care about those 18-35, and that bracket is screaming for more Sarah Jeong and less PrisonPaul.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  DeBeers Diamonds
1 year ago

Sounds right but as Overton, and the political mood, changes, there will be an ad market for real right ppl

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

Moran ya Simba, you are more optimistic than I am. The Right simply ignores or does not patronize advertisers oriented to the other side. But the other side sues them, protests them, and burns the place down if they advertise on our side. Given that big business (not small) is already oriented towards our adversaries’ way of thinking (their priorities align, somewhat), we are out in the cold. I’m getting used to it, and treat it as a badge of honor.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

If I’m an optimist, we’re in dire straights indeed.

But information will find a way to filter out. The nazis or commies couldnt prevent illegal printing presses. We have the internet for pete’s sake. If we can t get information out, we re not trying hard enough, we re pussies then. B/c ppl are gonna get desperate and a lot are gonna want to know ‘what’s really going on’

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  DeBeers Diamonds
1 year ago

In a Machiavellian sense, the chans should start a false flag outrage mob trying to get Cernovich banned.

tsnamm
tsnamm
Reply to  DeBeers Diamonds
1 year ago

Exactly…wake up Sessions and start rattling those anti trust chains, and watch the fun!

Drake
Drake
1 year ago

“Trump made a deal with the evil one, who magically altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”
“Racism is the evil spirit that is somehow responsible for unequal outcomes”

You are a quote machine. I will be using them.

Cerulean
Cerulean
1 year ago

The crazy leftists remind me of the Junior Anti-Sex League and the like from 1984. They were the outer party. The inner party called the shots.

Maybe there’s more going on today than just ghosts and goblins.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Cerulean
1 year ago

I think the inner party has lost control of their pet lunatics.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Drake
1 year ago

I kinda think the inner party is the outer party and they’re all lunatics.

wjkathman
wjkathman
1 year ago

For a couple years now I’ve been saying that Progressivism is the religion that replaced Christianity in the West. Racism, sexism, homophobia, and all the other dreaded isms and phobias are simply “sins” under the modern cult that rules our society. As recently as the 19th Century, no one had ever heard of those sins. Doesn’t matter. The superstitious run roughshod over everyone when rational people fail to mount sufficient opposition.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Now go one level deeper. What attribute is foundational to the Progressive Tribe? What is their essential motivation for behaving as they do? What never changes even when their ranting and policies and boogeymen morph into any convenient variant that suites their current mood? I submit that it is the imperative of the parasite. They need a host to feed on and government is the largest and most reliable host in the modern environment.

Jaqship
Jaqship
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

Yes, Tom, but this parasitism is disproportionately female. Third Wave feminist women have perfected the art of playing the victim, see e.g. https://FabiusMaximus.com/2018/06/10/why-cant-women-HATE-men/ . Also, see some of Whiskey’s writings, e.g. at http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-women-hate-nice-guys-and.html : Nowadays “both White women, and non-Whites, are generally aligned in interests. Their interests are in EXTRACTING the maximum amount of money from TAXPAYERS, to fuel children (family as defined as single mom, plus kids by various sexy bad boys) and family formation…. But those societies throughout history and now, that allow sexy men, the dominant bad boys, and women to run things, are typically very violent,… Read more »

theRussians
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Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

Perhaps the motivation is simply to eliminate all the isms and from the ashes, government scientists will construct a purely rational morality, non adherents will, of course, be somehow eliminated. In the mean time, the other global isms will stand by patiently and wish them well.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

TomA, it’s always “show me the money”. Capitalism did a better job of spreading the wealth around, but the rich got powerful and decided to take most of the pie for themselves (ridiculous CEO pay, offshoring of jobs, encouraging the hiring of illegals for domestic and low pay jobs, and so on). The “gimmes” are seeking socialism, because instead of the rich becoming powerful, the powerful become rich. Notions of racism, sexism, etc, are considered little nodes of power that can be converted to wealth in a socialistic system. It all circles back to the money.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

The government is always the enabler of parasitism. Without a bigger boot on your neck – you’re always free to resist the efforts of the parasites. When the rich get powerful and “decide to take most of the pie for themselves” – this is ALWAYS in concert with government in some form or fashion. There is ALWAYS a bigger boot on your neck preventing you from shooting some corporate cocksucker who just stole your retirement savings. Power must have a balance – I believe this was what the founders of this country tried to achieve. Unfortunately the history since then… Read more »

George Orwell
George Orwell
1 year ago

“The fact that Charles Koch despises Trump and Murdoch was a Hillary supporter makes his theory as nutty as the Russian hacking nonsense, but his audience is not rational.” It’s this kind of stuff that makes discussion fruitless with even a normie liberal, much less a hyperventilating prog. Take Obamacare. Blue World got nearly all of its wishlist fulfilled as it was enacted; it was the greatest thing since Emancipation. About the only actual change of significance that happened since Tangerine Hitler used Russian tanks to invade the White Man’s House was the elimination of the individual mandate. That’s how… Read more »

Hoagie
Hoagie
1 year ago

“This collapse of Progressivism into a feminine mystery cult is why conventional conservatism has collapsed.” Well, something sure has collapsed. I always thought of myself as a conservative but now with the lunatic left coming out of the closet as a full-blown communist cult/religion I don’t know what I am. I guess an ultra-conservative. Yet I haven’t changed my belief in individual Freedom, the value of Liberty, my respect for the Constitution and my love of God but somehow seem lightyears away from any modern “liberal”. I haven’t moved. They have. So what am I? The Republicans left me years… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Hoagie
1 year ago

But where does that leave guys like me?
It leaves you in a position of where if you’re not on war footing you’re going to be conquered…

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Lineman, have a real world skill set and stay away from crowds. That’s half the battle right there.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

Half the battle of round one. The problem w prepping, to me, is ‘how far into the future do you want to plan for?’ Eventually you will run out of anything that cant be made from immediately natural materials. Then what? And the country collapses, FEMA isn’t coming, whether you think that’s good or bad.

Still, worthwhile to have some plan to take you for some time as you try to figure out what to do then.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

The problem w prepping, to me, is ‘how far into the future do you want to plan for?’ Eventually you will run out of anything that cant be made from immediately natural materials.
That’s why my focus has always been on Building Community not just prepping because I know that no man is an island and will always need others if we want to survive and thrive…

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Agree completely, building a community is key.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

Well there is always room for doctors up where I’m at here in MT;)

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Appreciated, for real 🙂

Cloudbuster
Member
1 year ago

I started looking through the NetRoots events list. It reads more like some sort of multi-level marketing group conference.

Then I came across one event, “FREEDOM TO PROSPER SALON,” and I thought, “Wow, a pro-freedom event at NetRoots! Let’s check this out (click). Oh. “Join us for an evening of community, conversation—and cancelling student debt. Sponsored by Freedom to Prosper.” (Emphasis mine.)

Freedom to not pay your debts. Sigh.

About half the country votes for progressives. Sigh.

“We’re Doomed” — John Derbyshire

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Cloudbuster
1 year ago

Maybe the thing to do is go up to the front of the bus and become the driver. If this is inevitable, maybe the best thing to do is to decide who gets screwed when the deed is done.

Cloudbuster
Member
Reply to  Teapartydoc
1 year ago

I see no sign that there is an actual driver, nor that we’re likely to get one pre-crash. Diversity + Proximity = War. I’ll let you know who’s driving after the war.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Teapartydoc
1 year ago

Maybe the thing to do is go up to the front of the bus and become the driver.
Ahhh that would mean replacing the existing bus driver which is gov. co… Which I don’t think anyone is prepared to do that…Now you could get off the bus and go start building your own bus but like I said before the pain hasn’t been enough for people to want to do that…

MtnExile
MtnExile
1 year ago

What all this boils down to is this: it’s time for the Puritans to find a ship that will take them to a safer place, where they can practice their beliefs free from the interference of the iniquitous culture surrounding them.

Maybe we should start a Kickstarter for them.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  MtnExile
1 year ago

MtnExile, it is not about their practicing their beliefs free from us, it is about their forcing their beliefs on us and making us like it. That’s what drives them.

MtnExile
MtnExile
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

The original Puritans — from whom our modern-day Puritans are descended (in more ways than one) — chose to leave their country and start over elsewhere. I’m only suggesting we should help our Puritans make the same decision. Is it likely? Hell no…it was just a joke. [cue rimshot]

Teapartydoc
Member
1 year ago
Cloudbuster
Member
1 year ago

I see NetRoots has a “BASIC INCOME CAUCUS.” UBI is the latest manifestation of communist insanity in the left and left-Libertarian circles. I get a daily newsletter from medium.com. I call it “My Daily Liberal Insanity Newsletter,” because though there are a few people on the right who contribute, it’s largely full of far-left ranting. A fellow named Robert Johnson posted a long article full of vague, numberless hand-waving about how “Basic Income is EASILY affordable.” The article was basically talking about equations without plugging in any actual values and asserting that because it was theoretically possible to get good… Read more »

George Orwell
George Orwell
Reply to  Cloudbuster
1 year ago

“Obviously, there are many possibilities for what level Basic Income could be set at and exactly what tax changes could be made. My point, however, is that BI is easily affordable from the point of view of fundamental economics. “You ask what ‘federal and state programs’ I would be proposing to end. Perhaps you live in the USA. I, however, do not. And my article is not country specific. I have a good idea what I think should be done in the UK, but I am certainly not an expert in the schemes you have over there in the US.”… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Cloudbuster
1 year ago

I’m active on the basic income subreddit from time to time. The problem with BI is that no society can collect the amount of taxes needed to pay for it. It would mean that in the US the Feds would have to collect half the GDP and while they can distribute this very efficiently (Social Security is from what I can find out roughly 93% efficient ) they can never get that much revenue . our society can manage around 20% (its called Hauser’s Law) What would happen is the nation would simply decide what BI is, mint that much… Read more »

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
1 year ago

Basic income won’t be possible until mass automation. Prior to that, the First World should strike a deal to pay Third World citizens to stay put rather than go Camp of the Saints. 3WBI could also be reduced based on the number of children born. We could also pay BI to resident invader populations on the condition that they return to their homelands.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
1 year ago

A.B.Prosper, the problem with BI is that once you go that route, the path to greater wealth is begging/threatening the powers that be for a bigger handout. Not much different than the kid asking for a bigger allowance. The current, jobs oriented path to wealth is job change, impress the boss, or build your own business. Going the BI route breaks the cycle, and introduces the inevitability of the Venezuelan outcome.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

There is truth in those words but a fertility rate of 1.8 or lower isn’t any good either. We’ve had wage decline (measured as percentage GDP) since 1973 and we had a huge period of wage decline from the Great Depression till the late 40’s baby boom and in every one of those periods we had economic constraints Its not a moral issue, no fault divorce wasn’t common till the 80’s and it wasn’t the pill. The Great Depression has low fertility without basically any birth control and severe laws and taboos against non reproductive sex as well. One thing… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
1 year ago

Anybody who knows anything about what has happened to college tuition costs since they started giving away school loans like candy – should know damn well why UBI is an exercise in futility.

Doesn’t anybody understand how wealth is built any more? WTF?

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

UBI isn’t going to happen for decades and the US doesn’t have that long. I’ll note I’m about preserving the West I don’t care about capitalism and it can fuck off it its going to kill us off by lack of babies The West was after all still the West under feudalism The current system isn’t building wealth either. all gains, every penny has gone to 1% of the population and 10% have just barely kept up with inflation . Our infrastructure is falling apart. life expectancy plummeting and so on. Spending creates wealth whether its private or public and… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Cloudbuster
1 year ago

Somewhere along the line I answered a question on Quora. So now I’m on the email list. One day I saw somebody post a question about UBI – and it peeved me off – so I went in and answered the guy’s question with a ” why the hell do you think universal income has any chance of working – where the hell is the money going to come from”. I got a bunch of upvotes. And now I get the occasional email “since you answered a universal basic income question – can you answer this one”. So I do.… Read more »

D&D Dave in the Bubble
D&D Dave in the Bubble
1 year ago

The regressives are getting more insane everyday. Just saw in Philadelphia, Candace Owens (black) get harassed at breakfast by an all white Antifa mob shouting “F–k White Privilege” at her. Then when the black and Hispanic cops showed up they called them racists. LMAO. Yet they sit around in their parents basement dreaming and believing in this huge blue wave that is coming in November. While nothing should be taken for granted (aka get out and vote), imagine the hysteria is going to get amped up another 50 degrees if they don’t take back the house. 2020? Forget it, Trumps… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  D&D Dave in the Bubble
1 year ago

The solution is martial law and firing squads till order is achived but a hotelier isn’t up for that.

As an aside Candace Owens has more guts than basically the entire GOP establishment. She takes a lot of heat doubled because she is an attractive Black woman

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
1 year ago

There’s a Stephan Molyneaux interview with Candace Owens on Youtube that is very illuminating as to why she got red pilled. If I remember correctly she was trying to get some sort of anti-bullying effort or something like that going. Sounds like she was sort of babe in the woods and just thought it was a good idea. Then she started getting attacked for it and the attacks just seemed crazy. I don’t recall the details – but it had some connection to the Gamergate insanity if I remember correctly. Anyway – that whole incident really pulled her into the… Read more »

D&D Dave in the Bubble
D&D Dave in the Bubble
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

Agreed. I have plenty of co-workers who are black who were staunch leftists. Completely uneducated about how Democrats really look at them and take them for granted. When Trump won, they walked around for months, couldn’t shut up about Trump is stupid, Trump will destroy the country. You could not say anything to them, especially as a white guy because they didn’t want to hear it or believe it. Then Kayne West spoke out. They got some some exposure to Diamond and Silk when FB suspended them and a big stink was made. Plus other things. A few of them… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

Oh now you do wanna work w those who woke up after you?? You re like a girl om PMS

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  D&D Dave in the Bubble
1 year ago

Maybe it’s time to let these people burn their own houses down. Get all “Korean shopkeepers on the roof” if they try to come to your neighborhood or mine. If they can’t deal with it, let them marinate in the outcome.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  D&D Dave in the Bubble
1 year ago

This Candice Owens incident illustrates why the “Dems aRe the Real Racists” strategy fails. She believes if she makes this incident about race then people will see that progs are the real racists and join her side. This strategy never persuades the progs because the principle animating them is not anti-racism but anti-white-ism. As for the non-progs, most realize that they get no credit for being color-blind. DR3 fails because most people in the world are tribal and the whites who try to pretend otherwise always lose. Color-blind conservatives are like people who oppose gravity due to some noble principle.

Arch Stanton
Arch Stanton
Reply to  D&D Dave in the Bubble
1 year ago

Given their “arc of craziness”, I’m more worried about 2020 or 2024 if a Democrat does get elected president again.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Arch Stanton
1 year ago

Civil war is probably inevitable by the mid 2030’s which is less than two decades off. I’ve talked to, forumed with a lot of people who share this consensus

It may come sooner though. Be ready.

Lance_E
Member
1 year ago

I believer Sailer referred to this as the Africanization of the west. Oriental mysticism is far saner; ideas like Qi and Karma are understood to be abstractions. This is just pure blameshifting; an entire movement with the collective memory of a goldfish going “well, *we* certainly didn’t eat all the crops and set fire to the village in a drunken haze, so it must be the evil spirits!” Of course, liberalism was never really a set of policy positions – at least, not for the people in charge. It was merely an ideology to facilitate the transfer of power from… Read more »

theRussians
Member
Reply to  Lance_E
1 year ago

When considering this type of liberal, one song always comes to mind… “feelings, nothing more than feelings….” every time.

Epaminondas
Member
1 year ago

I see a future leftist priest of progressivism selling indulgences against “Racism” by hawking little “autographed” photos of St. Martin of Atlanta.

Jaqship
Jaqship
1 year ago

For an guess as to what the NYT is up to with Jeong, see http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/welcome-to-bad-faith/#comment-363378 :

“FincaInTheMountains August 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
This Leong-Jeong woman is nobody, and her name is nothing.
But on the part of New York Times, it was a deliberate provocation, either to conduct a RECONnaissance fight, and measure the battle-readiness of the Americans, or to provoke too-early hasty reaction.”

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

I think it is impossible to say what comes next. It is clear that leftie is on an express train ever deeper into mega insania. As they accelerate I expect some will want to get off and some of those will take the red pill and join us. But we are also in a very contingent-dependent place I think. What if, say, they kill Trump. We know some quite powerful people are getting very desperate. This could happen. We cant predict what happens then, that is totally what chaos theory calls butterfly point, ie that the smallest micro change has… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

Do you really want a person who was so seriously deluded that they stayed on that train for a LONG time – to “join us” ? I don’t. We’re not talking about leftists who maybe jumped off the train when Obama got elected because they could see where it was going. We’re talking about people who stayed on that train – and are only jumping off now because there’s obviously lunatics at the wheel. They’re still completely untrustworthy. Do we really need a Neocon era Part Deux? One of the worst things that happened to the right side of the… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

I want us to WIN. That supersedes any snuppish sense of ‘purity’ or superiority among the ‘long-woke’.

If you want to think of the Johnny come lateys as cannon or vote fodder I guess that’s one way to look at it.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

You’re not going to win a goddam thing with a bunch of proto Commies as your “friends”. We’ve already been down this road – when the cuckservatives fully sold themselves out to the Neocons. Look where that got the right wing. Exactly nowhere. I’ve been going at it with “conservatives” over the neocon issue for at least 15 years now. Almost universally – they rose up in defense of neo-conism. Then when Trump got elected – the neocons – like one of those characters in Men in Black, couldn’t keep up the disguise any more. Now they’re almost universally Trump… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

Okay, it is very clear that you dont understand what it means to be red-pilled. I am not talking about cuckservatives, they are as blue as they come.

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

History has a way of being joker..no telling what sort of event might intervene. But in the meantime, one can never over invest in quality optics and focused range time.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Saml Adams
1 year ago

A friend of mine has a saying “ammo, something you buy by the pallet” lol

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 year ago

A friend of mine has a saying “ammo, something you buy by the pallet” lol
Cargo Container Brother;)

Allen
Allen
1 year ago

One thing the netroot nuts are also big on is a lot of seminars on how to score other people’s money, natch.

There was a good one listed on legal marijuana. It seems the Teamsters have some ideas on how they’re going to organize the weed workers. Now that should be a hoot.

Frip
Member
1 year ago

The Left used to always love the concept of “scapegoating” / “scapegoat”, to describe why certain groups were irrationally hated or blamed. They don’t use it so much anymore. We need to co-opt it and start talking about how every aggrieved group is now scapegoating white men for their problems. We were always taught how poor whites in the old South used to “scapegoat” blacks for their problems. The Jews in Germany were always “scapegoated”. Now it’s our freaking turn. The MSM surely won’t use it on our behalf. There will never be a headline in the NYT asking, “Are… Read more »

Mark Matis
Mark Matis
1 year ago

Actually, it is very easy to know what it means to be a “Liberal” today:

“Liberal” = Communist.

And that is Practical Communist. Not Theoretical Communist.

Kill every one of them.

Troll King(-36)
Troll King(-36)
1 year ago

And Zelda: link to the past(the better of the two) It’s because the left is hegemonic. There are no battles to be won so they are desperately trying to invent “issues,” first with the black lives matter, which proved too literally dangerous, and now with the Russophobia nonsense. The transsexual stuff may be similar. There simply aren’t enough of those people to constitute any sort of political force. Before trump, the only way the right would be allowed power was when it agreed to publicly gouge its own eyes as with the Iraq war. To inflict such political damage on… Read more »

Berty
Berty
1 year ago

So Z Man, can you talk about the banning of InfoWars on your next podcast?

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  Berty
1 year ago

InfoWars is a trial balloon. The Left will be watching our response to this. If we just shrug and say ‘hey it’s just Alex Jones, besides we’re the cool kids, no one will ban us’. It’s full on censorship on rails.

Seriously they are counting on our side to throw Jones under the bus the same way we did on Tommy Robinson.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Rod1963
1 year ago

Seriously they are counting on our side to throw Jones under the bus the same way we did on Tommy Robinson.
Well they have a pretty good chance of being right…We have a habit of doing that…

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Throw our fellow travelers under the bus – and then follow Moron ya Simba’s example and invite the only slightly fallen away commies onto the bus to take their place. Sounds like a real winning formula. Not. Maybe Alex Jones is a nutter. I don’t care. He’s turned more people away from blind obedience to the liberal world order than anybody I know. Despite everybody’s whining – he’s also put quite a bit of truth out there. It was Infowars that put out the truth about Benghazi literally AS IT WAS HAPPENING. Then the Clinton fable about the movie came… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  calsdad
1 year ago

“and then follow Moron ya Simba’s example and invite the only slightly fallen away commies”

Maybe that’s not what I said you F*cking moron. Read up on what it means to be red-pilled.

Member
1 year ago

The problem the Left has is their almost instinctive habit of subverting religions. As a result, they tend to subvert themselves. The New Left subverted the old. The neo-Marxists are today trying to subvert the New Left. There are various reckonings coming between women and blacks, blacks and latinos (and gays), movie star rapists vs. the women who want the casting couch on their terms, and soon-to-be-seriously-taxpaying-and-homeowning-Millennials against the insanity they will suddenly start to take notice of. A few weeks ago, one of the “brown people” on my social media feed (he calls himself and people like him this)… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  hokkoda
1 year ago

The two party system has essentially been codified into law in this country. That is largely the doing of the progressives. That’s where we are – despite the warnings of a number of the founders of this country about political parties. One of the advantages of the current hysteria of some of the lefties though – is that maybe a serious effort will be undertaken to break the hold of the two party system. With enough disaffected lefty voters not feeling like they have a place in the now communist Democrat party – maybe they’ll get behind changing some of… Read more »

Member
1 year ago

It was eye opening for me (sparked by the Z-Man) and others how much this “progressive” cult acts like unstable women I have had the misfortune to know. They find a way to be anxious and victimized and “unhappy but I don’t know why so it must be YOU.” The whole “I’m not talking to you because you voted for Trump,” is something from a middle school girls bathroom or how women deal with any perceived slight.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Dansidea
1 year ago

Trump is my fault because I voted for him. I get a lot of that. Hell, I live in California, my vote did nothing for him!

Well, Obama turned into a big bust, and I didn’t lay that crap on anyone around me who voted for that guy. But then, I don’t have any “feeeeelings”.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

Trump is my fault because I voted for him. I get a lot of that. Hell, I live in California, my vote did nothing for him!
We should have a cup of Java sometime…

Member
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

It seems the fems haven’t figured out the whole Electoral College thing – just another irrationality

Frip
Member
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

It seems all three of us live in California. We should meet up and start a movement. Or maybe just play Monopoly.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Frip
1 year ago

No Frip I don’t live in CA I just stay there in a Holiday Inn every once in awhile…;) I wouldn’t mind though meeting you as well for a cup also when Im your way…

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Getting together with a bunch of the people on here would be a hell of a good time. Might need to break up a fight or two halfway through the deal.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

It would be fun Brother and anytime you want to make it happen let me know…I think they’re quite a few Californians on this site…

Saml Adams
Saml Adams
Reply to  Dansidea
1 year ago

I always want to ask the nuttier ones “so what is is like having to check under your bed and in the closet for Hitler and Nathan Forrest every night?” They are that crazy around here.

Rod1963
Rod1963
1 year ago

Excellent analysis. However the Left doesn’t hesitate to act on it’s fears and agenda. As seen with Google, Facef**k, Apple and Youtube banning InfoWars. (Infowars is just the trail balloon to see what we do. ) They’ve just made themselves judge, jury and executioner for all to see. You know like some have said, we’d get our Harpers Ferry and it looks like we have. Does Trump simply roll over and ignore it – because it’s a direct threat to him if doesn’t. If he does nothing the cabal will shut down Breitbart, Daily Caller and Unz Review. as a… Read more »

Member
1 year ago

Off topic, but a perhaps a suggestion for a topic for a future Power Hour: Democracy. Democracy with unlimited franchise has proven itself unworkable.

Maybe this is so obvious as to not be worth a whole hour, but democracy is one of the leftist’s articles of faith, along with equality, feminism, multiculturalism, etc. and as such needs to be burnt down.

James LePore
Member
1 year ago

The movie: A woman sees a mouse in her kitchen. She jumps on a chair and shrieks for a few minutes. No one comes to help. She jumps down, grabs a steak knife and chases the mouse, slashing wildly. After a few minutes the mouse is dead on the floor. There is blood everywhere, including on her face and hands. The kitchen is a shambles. There is a strange look on the woman’s dace as she surveys the scene. Her eyes are glassy. She steps to the window and looks down. On the street she sees people that look like… Read more »

Anon
Anon
Reply to  James LePore
1 year ago

Up voted for creativity, very nice.