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When I did the podcast on libertarianism, I re-read Democracy: The God That Failed, as a refresher on the more responsible brand of libertarian thought. I wanted to be fair and I wanted to address their best arguments. It had been a while since I read the book and I was reminded of some things I really liked about Hoppe’s treatment of democracy. I reject his materialism, of course, but some of his language is useful in discussing democracy in the modern age. As is always the case, there are useful things in every book.

Democracy has become an almost esoteric concept since Hoppe wrote his book. That’s one of the things he missed in his treatment. It is something the paleocons picked up on in their analysis of the managerial state. Government needs legitimacy and that can only come though a foundation in or an attachment to the transcendent. Democracy in the modern age has matured into a religion of the state, but a religion with a mystical sense of the supernatural, one that goes unspoken, but is always hovering on the periphery.

Anyway, I have not written much about the topic, so it seemed like a good subject for a podcast. It also dovetails in with some other stuff I plan to write about in the coming months. It’s also a good way to introduce the walking dead on the other side of the great divide, who need help coming over the river to our side, to some of out critiques of the modern age. As with the show on libertarianism, this one could have easily been three hours, so I had to take many shortcuts and a fair amount of artistic license.

This week I have the usual variety of items in the now standard format. Spreaker has the full show. I am up on Google Play now, so the Android commies can take me along when out disrespecting the country. I am on iTunes, which means the Apple Nazis can listen to me on their Hitler phones. The anarchists can catch me on iHeart Radio. YouTube also has the full podcast. Of course, there is a download link below. I’m now on Spotify, so the millennials can tune in when not sobbing over white privilege and toxic masculinity.

This Week’s Show

Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 02:00: Why Democracy
  • 12:00: Expansionism
  • 22:00: The People’s Money
  • 32:00: The Fate of Religion
  • 42:00: Conservatism In Democracy
  • 52:00: The Managerial State
  • 57:00: Closing

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88 thoughts on “Democracy”

  2. Great. Right up there with the single issues Rome, and the Trump evaluation.
    I did a memory test and found I can recall the single issue series almost at the level of being able to write an essay on each one a week or so later, and that is good retention for me.
    Reading my notes even more so. I can attack New Zealanders and Australians with the utter conviction of a plagiarist.

  3. This podcast is one of the most fascinating and critical thinking inspiring pieces you’ve done. The music at the end is still kind of gay though.

  4. Some thoughts on “The People’s Money” segment.

    Expanded extension of credit leads to near term growth, but consumes the currency. Similar to democracy passing out the freebies in the short run, but consuming everything social/religious/political in the long run.

    The selective extension of credit allows the financial managers to choose winners and losers, financially, just as the late-term democratic managerial class picks the winners and losers in other realms of the culture. The Federal Reserve prefers to hold the reins of the credit system in the unaccountable and secretive hands of a few mega-bankers, rather than in any kind of 19th century style disbursed and fragmented banking chain of command.

    The 2008 crash demonstrated how, nowadays, credit is the currency, and how deflationary a credit collapse can be.

    Personally avoiding the maw of the credit beast involves foregoing credit altogether, or constructing one’s credit to capitalize on the ultimate deconstruction of the currency without participating in it, by owning “meatspace” things with the credit proceeds, while positioning oneself away from calls and foreclosures.

    Finally, and perhaps most importantly, understanding how our modern credit culture invites a “tragedy of the commons” experience. Prior to the 1929 crash, bankers and stakeholders in banks were personally liable for all debts of the bank (imagine owning a tiny bit of Bank of America and subjecting yourself to infinite personal financial liability!). That made the underwriting of credit a serious matter indeed, and kept the commons out of the picture, at least directly (as impoverished stakeholders might be living in a box on the grassy version of the commons). Limited liability for bankers, executives, and shareholders allows Lehman Brothers to burn down, and everyone involved, inside those four walls, is allowed to walk away in one piece, no matter how poor their decisions and financial commitments. No accountability, just like the managerial class in late-term democracy.

    Democracy (or, more exactly, our twisted version of a republic) and a pervasive credit structure without accountability go hand-in-hand.

    • That was excessively good stuff, Dutch.
      Social credit illustrated by e-credit.

      It seems that the divorce from risk correlates to a divorce from reality, until Reality comes barging back. But who pays first?

      Here’s where I’m afraid it will go, because I’m tempted myself:
      (True story) A biker hit the lottery; a friend told him, “if you get noticed by the wrong people, you’re going to have to spend $100,000 on a lawyer. Aren’t you worried?”

      The biker replied: “Worry? Why? When I can just give fifty bucks to some meth-head to break in, break his legs, fuck up his wife and kids, then burn the guy’s house down!”

  5. Democracy in the US is more charade than fact of politics. The problem has more to do with the fact that the US elite is not interested in being a national elite. They are all-in on the notion that they will share in an international elite. As their nations wane with demographic pressure, it will become increasingly clear that they will simply be viceroy to the new geopolitical elite in Asia.

    Democracy never displaced aristocracy. The Western aristocracy simply became too diaspora laden to maintain its health. Once most of the elite decided to defect and sell, the entire elite had to folllow. The only alternative was to make another attempt at expelling or extermination of the diaspora.

  6. I’m going to watch the Matrix for the first time tonight. Am tired of hearing all the Matrix references on the Alt-Right and not understanding. I gather a red pill will be involved. Got the 3 disc trilogy on Blu Ray.

    • It’s aged terribly. What was it about the late 90s that every ‘edgy’ place had a series of tools looking like a NIN tribute band. The first one is fairly entertaining but it’s a seriously bad nose dive afterwards. The pill terms when used on our side are a reasonably good analogy. I reckon a lot of our first experiences to contradict the Narrative, the first red pill particularly the younger lads came from Game and the PUA lads. Return of Kings is legitimatly pretty tabloid but it leads on to deeper waters. Then comes the nature of sexes, and differences of ethnicity and race. On an odd note, watching the first film about 4 years ago with the wife, I thought there was a seriously creepy aspect to it. From Morpheus banging on to Neo about how he has been seeking him, he is the one seemed a bit groomeresque. When Neo takes the red pill look at that sleezy sneer on Morpheus face. Red pill? More like fuckin rohypnol.

      • LOL. It’s been a long time since I saw the first movie (#2 & #3 were horrible) but your review/comment really made me laugh. I think it would be great to have a Dissident Right MST3K-like vehicle for commentary on iconic movies/TV/etc.

        • Pretty good idea actually, bunch of normies or chads, irreverent but smart talking about general popular culture giving people non pozzed entertainment options. Z had an idea about a sportsball show with a not to human biodiversity. I’m watching The Terror at the moment, seems promising.

    • A visual delight, right from the first few seconds. The movie itself was the red pill.

      Don’t listen to the sniffy dilettantes.
      Like the Terminator, this one left a mark.

      Whenever I was having a bad day, I’d think to myself “Bah, this is just the Matrix”.

      • Have to say I was always a big fan of Terminator, we’ll the first two. In fairness any of James Camerons stuff up until Avatar. Aliens was my favourite film as a kid. To this day it and Robocop would be my default films. The 80’s was a golden age for sci fi. Robocop as a satire is spot on, from the amoral corporatism, the crass consumerism. Starship Troopers is a guilty pleasure. As I’m heading towards 40 I’m starting to admire it’s politics…….

      • *ahem*
        Monica Bellucci, the Montagnard’s wife.

        YOWZA.

        (Looking her up, I see the second movie was directed by Lilly and Lana Wachowski, not the Wachowski brothers themselves.
        Perhaps it was a movie… in transition?)

  7. Another wrinkle: One hundred percent Democrat DC council now wants to enfranchise 16-year-olds at all levels, including presidential, after rejecting fhe same proposal 2 years ago. Reading a few articles it appears they want them for gun control following Parkland. And I would lay odds to eventually eliminate the electoral college after Trump’s victory.

  8. I might be wandering off into the trees again, Z. But something doesn’t jive with the notion that ‘democracy is killing Christianity’.

    I am new to the faith, and at best – a theologian of outhouse credentials. But Christianity is based on democracy. It took off like wildfire because it did away with the need for circumcision, special diets and other traditions that drove the Joos of the day up the wall. Didn’t matter what colour you were, who your parents were or what your social status was – if you accepted the faith, you accepted the lord as your king. Even so – you rendered unto Ceasar and all that crap. You could be a high ranking Christian even as the lowliest slave in Rome.

    That religion created the western world once, and I think I am completely justified in supposing that it will survive the coming chaos with flying colours. America is in decline because it has abandoned its morality. These days it has abandoned sanity. America is giving into sloth because to get off that couch and go vote when there is a good game on, or an exciting episode to watch – is too hard. Going to school and taking a rigorous difficult and meaningful program is too difficult. Standing up to Lefty and telling him to shove his lunacy up his arse is too difficult. Living in exile or being hurled into the void by him is too humiliating.

    I think you missed the boat Z, I think this decline in moral behaviour and rise in slothful character is the result of people that have way too much money and no appreciation for it or how it is gotten. The lunch is still free, for as long as that goes; and until that changes and people have to do for themselves – the slide will continue.

    • Glen, I’m not sure I would say that Christianity is based on democracy. (The big caveat is that there are many Christian traditions with many different takes on details of theology and church governance. )

      Probably most Christians through history would have said — with various qualifications when you get down to it — that respect for other people is a big part of Christian life. Most Christians would say that anyone can become a Christian. That’s not necessarily the same thing as democracy.

      The denomination I belong to teaches that among Christians there are not varying degrees of worth. It teaches that all Christians are both saints and sinners at the same time, all the time. (That might be a tip-off as to the denomination.) And, following the good Samaritan account, it teaches that all people are our neighbors. Again, a leveling effect. But not the same as democracy.

      However, in our church, as in most churches, the most important things are not negotiable — not subject to a vote. Even though we have congregational governance, the congregation entrusts the pastor to ensure that those things are not up for grabs. And he does.

      Different denominations and congregations, different ways of doing things. YMMV.

  9. Patrick Deneen is also rather queasy about democracy as practiced in the USA, with (I think) the same underlying premise: it will lead to the demolition of Western Culture, or the Christian tradition (you can include Judaeo- if you prefer.)

    Hmmmm.

  10. Would the US be more durable politically if we had stuck with Constitutional federalism instead of states ceding their 10th amendment rights to the feds? Seems like the present day uneducated masses are always looking for national solutions to every problem.

    • Some form of rolling back democracy seems necessary. Right now, its a slow mo train crash. I dont yet know what I think should be done. So for now Im sucking in ideas etc.

        • I did mean the former. But, both I guess. Taking in ideas in the sense that Im interested in reality- and logic based discussions of both democracy’s deficiencies and suggestions for its improvement or even replacement, that acknowledges race and gender realism and hence fundamentally that life is a darwinian game at the end of the day.

          And ‘suck at having ideas right now’ in the sense, that while I could easily suggest replacements for democracy, none of them seem likely to work out better, and most far worse, than democracy. W the exception of ‘make me the f*cking dictator, I ll clean up the mess’ lol (I actually wouldnt want to be dictator; when there is no peaceful way to remove a dictator other than his death, he’s gonna want, as Stalin, short curtains you cant hide behind. In a dictatorship, even the dictator is afraid, and w very good reason. Stalin was probably murdered w rat poison.)

          • Frip’s a bad doggy. No treats!

            Rat poison? Interesting.
            Stalin’s daughter, Anna, died in her humble cottage in Wisconsin a few years ago.

            She was the one who held her father’s office door shut, refusing all entry, while he laid on his desk, his face turned black from choking on his own tongue, for 10 hours until he was dead.

            That little white-haired old lady glared suspiciously at the photographer from her dirt driveway. A princess in exile, the daughter of an emperor.

            I thought to myself, nobody realises that this was a brave lass who once saved the world.

          • I didnt know she blocked the door, interesting!! I thought Khrushchev, Beria and the others were fearing another purge. Btw, Im not sure he was killed but it seems plausible and there are certainly rumours about is.

            You wouldn’t happen to have a link to her story?

          • (Heard it on John Batchelor, WABC New York)

            And thanks Frip, bringing up and pinning Rotten Chestnuts now. Severian is always a hoot

          • *update*
            Judas. H. Preist, Rotten Chestnuts is *seriously* smart and witty fun.

            It’s the perfect corollary to the Z blog.
            I’m going to start reading both daily, in tandem.

            Stop 1. The Z blog
            Stop 2. Rotten Chestnuts
            Stop 3. @HappyHectares

          • Simba, seems you’re often looking for solutions. There’s a blog Z’s mentioned a few times called Rotten Chestnuts run by a semi-wackjob man-with-a-plan type named Severian. It’s often strategy/solution themed.

  11. Roughly halfway through. Voters as ‘customers’ who, instead of buying, or renting, your product, pay w votes, and they become customers w the stroke of a pen. Interesting analysis, I buy it. It explains why democracy is expansive in nature and why leftists etc dont see it as ‘treason’ to just let ‘everyone, even deep in the Amazon, vote for, say, mayor of Bumfuckingville, Nebraska.’ It’s not about ‘national identity’ or anything like that, hey, they’re just selling a product. It inflates the value of voting, and of citizenship. But, those pointing that out can easily be accused of being the equivalent of cheap.

    Also, the last few blog posts have illustrated something interesting about Marxism. While Marxists are all the bad things I assume non-troll reading here thinks they are, they are not exactly idiots. Their ‘dialectics’, approach to analysis, can actually illuminate some power relations, especially in the economic sphere. I dont know where they got it from but, evil freaks that they are, they are b/c of the conclusions they reach and b/c they mistake their economic model for ‘all reality’ which it is not. They are the uber materialists. As Ive said before, libertarians are largely ppl who accepted Marxist assumptions but not conclusions.

    But that democracy itself is fundamentally inhospitable to organized religion is something I had not directly thought of before. Marxism is extremely hostile, for obvious reasons, and I do sense a connection between the fiat religion of atheism and Marxism (not that most atheists, in all their religious zeal would see this). But if democracy itself also is, it suggests there may be a sort of human nature parallel origin between democracy and Marxism, even though they never actually share power. Ie that democracy itself is part of that eternal, glacial and probably catastrophic slide leftwards of the West.

    Finally, inspired by the first chapter of the podcast, democracy tends to grow as people become more important sources of wealth than land does?? That may be an over-enterpretation of what’s said there but an interesting conjecture.

  12. Bad news here: three-quarters of those polled agreed with censorship by the Silicon Dons. It’s a low marker of our character that our people haven’t moved en masse to Gab, for fear of accusations of backing a long vanished German workers party. Many of our most effective people have been banned from mainstream social media, along with the Russian trolls sowing division within the left. We must adjust our tactics accordingly.

    • “”…along with the Russian trolls…””

      Well, I am Eastern European troll but never mind. Russia is scared like hell with all the rest of the planet also. The problem is, when US descend to complete madness and anarchy, what will happen to US WMD ?
      Who are the people controlling US WMD ? Probably they are people appointed by lunatics like Obama and Brennan. When things turn ugly, are they ready to push red button by their own initiative to put end to Nazism and racism on the planet Earth forever ?

      • It’s sensible for people of the world to be scared of the USA. It’s no longer a state ruled by mature actors.

        The “democratic socialists” now claiming the wheel of our bizarre and dying country will end up firing missiles on anyone and everyone, including their hated fellow Americans, to save the whales, or the icebergs.

      • Not sure I agree but I accept the premise of Juri’s concern here. Leftie in America is nuts and feels omnipotent, more or less. Some of them are batshit crazy. No one, except for maybe them, believes a cold-balled power guy like Putin, or the collective tough guys in charge in Beijing, are gonna go on a rampage and fire their doomsday junk. No one really believes modern Britain or France would ever have the spunk to fire anything. But take a self-righteous leftie SJW in the Oval…..well, could get dicey. A sheltered life and Hollywood induced blind belief that ‘it ll be alright in the end’ could make them do really stupid shit.

        Apartheid South Africa actually HAD nukes, a few of them. When they realized that blackie was gonna get the whip hand, they decided to destroy their arsenal. There ARE conceivable contingencies where that might seem advisable for the US (although that would open its own host of problems, not least contingencies involving the gentlemen of Beijing feeling mighty frisky).

        • The British, after the Boer War wanted to settle large numbers of Chinese in South Africa to work in the mines. The Afrikaners thought that blacks would be easier to control, and so got the Chinese immigration stopped for fear they would be just like the Indians. At this point, the PRC has a higher regard for property rights, and even minority rights, than the ANC. A fractured America would likely see its West Coast become a PRC vassal.

          • As someone who used to be ‘blue pill right of center’ (there’s a word for that but I hate using it about myself even in past tense lol) and accordingly that ‘apartheid was wrong and had to go’, I saw an interview not too long ago w, I think Botha or one of the other old school Afrikaaners, explaining apartheid.

            Frankly contemporary SA is proving they were fundamentally right. Remove apartheid/white control of the state, you get banana republic, ie you let ‘Africa win again’. There are smart individual blacks, just like there are individual competent female leaders. But, as a group they regress towards their group traits.

            The rise of the Alt-right is probably white males regressing towards our group/statistical traits. Alt-right is, after all, an already mightely watered down expression of the same unapologetic attitudes that built America, the Brit Empire, the German empire and before them Rome; a will to lead and a courage to charge to get to do that need be.

          • You are more optimistic than I am, there’s a Judean People’s Front phenomenon that occupies dissident politics. And that’s before we get around to facing the problem of police informants. The South African Right has a bit of an advantage in that there aren’t enough white leftists anymore that can spy within the Afrikaners, the police/military have severely degraded. By contrast, the BNP and UKIP were easily infiltrated by MI5, and MI5 informant even became leader briefly.

          • As someone who now believes it is not ‘paranoid’ to buy more ammo than you intend to shoot on the range or hunting Im not sure Id call myself ‘optimistic’ but maybe I am still somewhat bluepilled? I do believe that as the situation sinks, our ranks will swell but we ll see I guess :-/

          • I wouldn’t say..uh…that we are facing any kind of weapons problem here. If anything we should be trying to encourage the armament of similarly inclined dissidents in other countries. Guns don’t matter as much unless people are going to use them. Our people face the peril of being reduced to postal money orders for fundraising, no one has yet found a solution to get us back into causing the disruption we were doing from 2014-16.

          • You mean we re being booted from cyberspace?

            Agree about guns. People who mean business about standing for freedom should supplement range time by studying WW2 SOE manuals or similar.

          • The West still thinks its a high trust society. Once they stop doing this, it will become much harder to infiltrate and they infiltrators will find them selves infiltrated

            I mean the entire US security clearance database was leaked back in 2014.

            Its was probably the Chinese but who knows, its arguably the most valuable intelligence haul in the world and we can do nada about it.

            Of course once we realize that we are no longer a high trust society, the West comes to an end and breaks up into its historical norms, several hundred small homogeneous polities

            This seems smart to me, a nation need to be big enough to have ballistic missiles with nukes and an internalized economy but small enough to be fully homogeneous.

      • Yes if things go against they may get the “football” and take the world with them.

        Our only hope is that there are enough sane heads in the military to shut down that avenue for them. I think there is. Sure a lot of generals are lackies, but they do have enough brains to realize launching nukes is flat out insane. Once the military disobeys a sitting president, it’s over for the ruling regime for allowing it to go this far.

        I do not think the ruling class is any shape to say “no” to a Harris or Biden doing something insane. The problem is our high IQ, Ivy League educated rulers were the first ones poisoned by cultural Marxism and nihilism. They are incapable of making any sort of rational judgement now.

        • The USSR was nearly as whack as we are now and they didn’t use nukes.

          Happily our nukes probably aren’t going to work in a couple of decades so all we have to do is make sure they don’t decide to use them or lose them

          If you are wondering why, we have a severe shortage of tritium for triggers and no means to make more. The resupply will be out in around 7 or so years and tritium itself has a half life of 12 years

          We might be able to buy more, maybe but few people want to give a mad dog a weapon like that

          https://blog.usni.org/posts/2017/03/29/the-crisis-in-nuclear-husbandry

          This will also mean in a few decades after that the US won’t have nuclear powered ships either.

          This is classic catabolic collapse of course , growing complexity leads to an inability to maintain it and it reduces to a level that can be maintained

          https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-05-31/catabolic-collapse/

          Greer is a bit more peak oil and less “too many low IQ people” than I am but his theory is IMO spot on

          The question is of course can it be prevented or slowed and the answer is magic 8 ball says hazy

          A homogeneous society with a nationalist elite with long term time orientation could but getting such a society would require a war of exterminatus again the existing elite and that will be very destructive and costly

  13. “Government needs legitimacy and that can only come though a foundation in or an attachment to the transcendent.”

    To say it needs it is not to say it deserves it. If the “transcendent” is bogus — which it is — then all you’ve done is state a deficiency that must be lived with.

  14. Kids going back to at least my school days in the 70’s learn the Athenian Democracy was something really great. The never get the lesson that it was never stable and constantly in crisis. It was prone to colossal blunders and stupid mistakes at the most critical of times.

    It kind of worked when it was just the city-state of Athens in peace time (kind of like a New England town meeting system can work for a town). But as soon at they tried to expand themselves in a Mediterranean Empire, the cracks started showing and it was just a matter of time before they imploded.

  15. Two from H.L. Mencken:

    “Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.”

    “Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses.”

    It shouldn’t require much thinking to realize that democracy caters to high-time preferences and thereby inevitably paves a road to suicide. Yet, under democracy, skepticism toward democracy is exceedingly rare. One does not question the faith.

    Great podcast as usual, Z-man!

  16. Make of this what you will but in Victoria Canada they removed the statue of John MacDonald, first prime minister.

    • When the regime changes, the statues get toppled. It’s ludicrous for us to expect the left to extend us courtesy. We are supposed to “reconcile” ourselves to the new order, and the left is justifiably enraged that YT isn’t assimilating into multikult. If the statue isn’t on private land, it’s doomed. If anything, we should covertly encourage removal of as many of them as possible for accelerationist purposes.

      • DeBeers, I don’t think a statue’s being on private land will help it much, unless it is hidden. Assimilation does not respect private property.

        • Correct, Antifa vigilantes will not allow the presence of anything problematic. I was speaking in terms of city councilors and judges, neither group is yet willing to overturn property rights in Anglo countries in favor of socjus, though we are on that trajectory.

  17. This (and the right wing in general) is nothing but mere lamentation by mediocre middle aged white men about their loss of unfair privilege.

    How much of the anger expressed here is disappointment in the self, I wonder?

    I have found that most of the white men in the right wing tend not to have children. Why is this? Why do white women increasingly look to Men of Color to give them offspring? Why are you guys so ineffectual?

    The truth is “western civilization” NEEDS People of Color to add courage and vigor to a dying stale past-seeking stale pale decaying society

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/01/30/trump-immigration-ban-the-americans-we-need/

    • Guess this is trolling but it’s kind of been done to death. The truth is that women bless em tend to be th audience, informers and enforcers of the prevailing moral order. With the current one which is psychotic, it tends to make the ladies a bit so. Overwhelmingly the case when you see the clerics of the new faith (((Judith Butler perfect example))). In reality as much as it’s promoted INCESSENTLY race mixed couples are very rare. Those that are increasing are one’s that go against the tenents of the Cult of Dildolech, White Man & North East Asian or Indian Woman, with the sexes reserved also. The Cult doesnt like that. Last year in the UK six of the largest retailers had the Cults favourite couple. Black Man White Woman. But the stats don’t back it up. And the stats that exist show that mix overwhelmingly never lasts. You get a lot of mulatto kids with a lot of single Mothers. It tends to happen at the lowest socio economic levels.

    • “””…I have found that most of the white men in the right wing tend not to have children. Why is this? …”””
      Instincts. Men feel that great hunt after communist is near and they don,t want anything to disturb them going after white communists. People in the west just conditioned this all equal crap and don,t understand the invisible side of war.

    • DT, some women do ride the carousel, and they do prefer men of stability and making a good economic living. But after midnight and too many drinks, all cats are grey…

      Men of color, they are great opportunists, I will give you that.

    • >mediocre middle aged white men
      How dare you presume I’m white?
      Triggered!

      …still trying to use up that 50-lb bag of Purina Troll Chow. Sigh. Note to self: “Just because it’s on sale doesn’t mean it’s a bargain.” Write THAT on your hand in Sharpie, dumbass.

    • Dover Temerson, Im pretty sure you misread this. Plenty here Im sure have good jobs, careers, gfs, wives, kids etc. To me, this blog and others like it, are white men, and a few women and maybe Asians etc, sticking their cyberheads together saying ‘do you also see it? Arent we collectively going in a fucked up direction??’ The end of other regimes began this way and so will the end of the cultural marxist stealth regime. Or why do you think they re so busy trying to shut places like this down, if it’s just a ‘pale loser sausage party’?

  18. Kings didn’t own all the land in the country. Broadly speaking, from the Middle Ages until the French Revolution, the land was owned by the nobility – of which the king was one, of course – or yeoman farmers. As a child, Louis XIV was one of the poorest noblemen in France, with his sheets in tatters and his robes in rags.

    • On the contrary, dunno about the Sun King, but William the Conqueror absolutely owned all the land of England. Cash flow is a different issue, dependent on expenditures and rents.

      • “Cash flow is a different issue.”

        Fair point, but Louis didn’t own all of France, he didn’t even own all Bourbon lands, not even close.

        And, as bilejones said, neither did William. William paid off his army by granting land to his noblemen, but that doesn’t mean nobody else owned land. The Domesday Book tabulates land ownership in England quite meticulously.

        I forgot to mention that the Church usually owned large tracts of land, and it’s only when the kings start to confiscate church property that they start to get really wealthy.

        The best book I’ve read on the subject is “The Rise And Decline Of The State” by Martin van Creveld.

  19. You’re on a roll Z-man … thanks for your monumental efforts; this is time-consuming work.

    Will listen to the podcast later, and maybe you’ve already done this, but I recommend very carefully defining terms; e.g. democracy vs republic vs libertarian … socialist vs fascist vs communist. Of course these aren’t interchangeable terms, and while there is often some intersection and overlap, defining the terms is necessary to educate “the walking dead on the other side” … in a world of postmodern relativists, objective definitions of opposing worldviews is the all-important entering argument.

    Again, I look forward to the podcast, but even before listening my sense is that democracy is just as disastrous (possibly more so?) than tyrannical communism. Whether shackled by the Politburo or shackled by the mass-mob, you’re still in shackles. Chances are the Politburo have been carefully screened by a tyrannical bureaucracy, but there’s no screening process in democracy.

    • Z is pretty strong in the no taboos common sense department. It’s pretty rare, even among the ‘woke’ to be willing to look critically at democracy as a concept, do it publicly and not be a nutjob, all at once. I dont agree w everything he says but then again I dont agree w my past self always and my future self will probably find today’s edition of my views pretty damn blue pilled.

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