The Social Contract

This week I’m coming to you live from Copenhagen Denmark. Well, not live exactly. The show is recorded, as usual. I’m posting this from Denmark and as far as I know, I am very much alive. I’ve never been to Copenhagen, so I’m looking forward to some exploring, but I suspect I know the reason this is not a tourist hot spot. So far, the city seems rather plain, a lot like a Midwestern American city. There is nothing wrong with plain, but tourists want a hopping city center, real or manufactured, painted with the local culture.

The one thing I have noticed is that this is hipster hell. I feel like I’m in Portland. Every male has a skinny jeans, bespoke facial hair and noticeable ink. Now, this may be true everywhere young white males congregate. I live in Lagos, so I don’t see many hipsters or white people. Of course, I have yet to see a black person walking around here. I did see some Muslims and at the airport I swore they had Hispanics working the maintenance jobs. Maybe they import Spanish or Italians. Maybe Mexicans are great swimmers.

Since I’m here doing some big brain stuff, the show this week will be a big brained show, getting into political philosophy. For those with the small or medium brains, you may want to break out the brain oil before listening. One thing missing on our side of the great divide is anything resembling original thinking about politics. It’s either criticism of the mainstream options or romanticism for long gone models. That’s not going to cut it, so I’m going to be doing more stuff on alternative politics and alternative political philosophy.

This week I have the usual variety of items in the now standard format. Spreaker has the full show. I am up on Google Play now, so the Android commies can take me along when out disrespecting the country. I am on iTunes, which means the Apple Nazis can listen to me on their Hitler phones. The anarchists can catch me on iHeart Radio. YouTube also has the full podcast. Of course, there is a download link below. I’m now on Spotify, so the millennials can tune in when not sobbing over white privilege and toxic masculinity.

This Week’s Show

Contents

  • 00:00: Opening
  • 02:00: Socrates
  • 07:00: Hobbes & Locke
  • 17:00: Rousseau
  • 27:00: John Rawls
  • 37:00: The Sexual Contract
  • 47:00: The Biological Contract
  • 57:00: Closing

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Severian
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Is there anywhere one could get a transcript of the podcast? Hobbes is near and dear to my heart, and I’d love to hear your thoughts, but podcasts, youtube, etc. drive me insane (in general, not yours in particular, I hasten to add). I read much faster than I listen, I like to highlight (vs. rewind), and in general I’m a curmudgeonly luddite (which means I don’t know if setting up a transcript involves huge $$ outlay). I’m a big fan – it miss getting my Friday fix.

Member

Is this a roundabout way of saying you’re deaf?

Member

Copenhagen. Scandza?

CAPT S
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CAPT S

“Brain Oil” = a quiet place. Most podcasts I listen to while I’m working in the shop. Sometimes I listen to your podcast in the shop, but often find myself putting down my tools and just listening. Many Americans are considered “dumb” when they simply have no attention span, and have been conditioned (conspiratorially?) to be non-thinkers, responsive only to smartphone alerts. Thanks for giving us something to listen to and learn from.

John Smith
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Me too. Ya gotta listen carefully to this guy because if ya don’t you can miss crucial elements of his arguments and those points are often ones that nobody else is talking about. On this talk of big brains and little brains and such – it reminds me of an elegant turn of phrase I once heard: “People that get educated beyond their intellect”. It’s so true especially in these days of sexual and racial lunacy. They take a ‘thought experiment’, prop it up with artificial and unlikely contrivances to make it credible – and then use it as a… Read more »

Severian
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In Texas, I’m told, the phrase is “educated past your hat size.” I love it. It describes college to a T. Most academics aren’t all that intelligent — maybe a little bit smarter than the average bear, but not much — but they’re all “educated” waaaaaay past their hat sizes.

lineman
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lineman

Amen Brother…

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Okay, big brainies, what is the name of the opening music? I hear it every now and then, I always forget its name. Also, fun review of Copenhagen, ‘hipster hell’ seems to be right on lol

MICoyote
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MICoyote

March of the Templars

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

gratias tibi ago

I think it is actually called Preliator by Globus but your suggestion cracked the google hunt for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q6skxRLnsI

Karl Horst (Germany)
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Karl Horst (Germany)

The Danes are wonderful people although prices up there are as bad, if not worse, than Switzerland! If you have time, be sure to visit the Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde. It’s about 40-minutes due west of you.

Member

This is new. Saga’s performance of “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” has been put in YouTube jail for “inappropriate or offensive content.”

They hate us. They really hate us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_hiaOIWfm0

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BTW, that song is Zman’s closing music this broadcast, thus the relevance to today’s thread.

lineman
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lineman

Question is when are we going to come together to defeat the evil that is before us…We have been apathetic and have comprised with it for to long already and it is slowly strangling us to death…When will we become the Lions that we need to be…

Joachim
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Joachim

Let me respond to your comment/cathartically vent : Since WWII, the right has been restricted to the bourgeois, nominally Christian materialists. The left has been free to develop into a political religion, a secularized Christianity of sorts, seeking to build egalitarian heaven on earth. They used bourgeois imposed “freedom” to grow to critical mass, and now, as with so many past religions, are imposing theocracy (banning opposing thinking, dynamiting the old temples, monuments, etc.) You can’t bring “freedom” loving bourgeois materialists, “love one another”, “turn the other cheek”, “all are one in Jesus Christ” Christians to boot, to a religious… Read more »

Member

So funny. The first time I ever heard the song was on Z’s podcast. At first I was like, you’ve got to be kidding me, wtf is this. Then it started growing on me. Now I actually really like the song and will sing along. I’m not into the bombastic ending but the first half is really nice. Don’t know who Saga is This is the one that Z plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN7r0Rr1Qyc

Member

Z plays Saga’s version at the end of this podcast. I much prefer it to the Cabaret version.

lineman
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lineman

Yes Yes They Do…We are at War and the enemy is doing everything they can to stack the odds in their favor…They import savage’s and tell us we have to take care of them and make them stronger while we grow weaker from their parasitic nature…They arm them and tell us we should disarm…PC has sucked the manhood out of so many I wonder if there will me enough left when we start fighting back…Sad That…

Maus
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Maus

Zman, thanks for an engaging overview of the philosophy of social contract. Two things struck me from your observations: 1. The shortcomings of Hobbes versus Locke in terms of the formative origins of the social contract. This was tough for me because I was formerly more prone to the Hobbesian view. 2. The abstract rationality of Rawls’ theory; and particularly how his second priniple on the distribution of social and economic goods influenced later proponents of feminism and critical race theory. I now have a better idea why his veil of ignorance never sat well with me. One observation on… Read more »

Cerulean
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Cerulean

If I may interrupt your pondering of political theory, I’ll suggest you look at this post on current actualities. Amazingly prescient speech, good 6-minute video.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057

Your vote this November is important.

Cerulean
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Cerulean

You’ll need to page up a bit for the video and initial remarks in the article.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Do you really believe that someone who identifies as “conservative” can help us? The revealed fundamental principle of conservatism is to champion the progressivism of 10-20 years ago. Conservatives share the same worldview as groups like Black Lives Matter but are just more timid about expressing it clearly. In 20 years, conservatives will be saying that pedophilia is a timeworn conservative value. Conservatives are willing to bet the future of the country on the possibility that Somalis can become Randians. F#ck those guys.

Cerulean
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Cerulean

I don’t have many illusions about Conservatism Inc. I’m sure Donald Trump has even fewer illusions. However, for many reasons, I would like to see President Trump continue in office for two terms. Unlike some here, I don’t care much about rehabilitating the term “conservative.” Regardless of its name, the site I linked is the best daily source I’ve seen for analysis of the anti-Trump efforts of the Deep State, the uniparty Republicans, the Left, the neocons, the media, and Big Education. I figure if all those people are against Donald Trump, he’s worth supporting. And I think if those… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Haven’t watched the video, but Conservative Tree House is THE must read for knowing what is really going on in the swamp. Don’t worry about the title.

Rod1963
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Rod1963

No they won’t. They’re just greedy pukes hiding behind a facade, this goes doubly for Randians. I’ve been following Conservativism since before Reagan. They never cared one bit for the average white workingman and woman. They never said squat as industry to moved to Asia and as we imported millions of wetbacks to work in shops and the land. When Milken and his LBO goon gutted American corporations and put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and raided pension funds. They rejoiced. They loved NAFTA, WTO, PNTR with China. They surrendered on the cultural war when I was… Read more »

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As far as I can tell it’s called The Last Refuge now.

Darwin's Sh-tlist
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Darwin's Sh-tlist

I’ve been thinking about Rawls’ thought experiment lately, particularly in terms of the usual gripes from the Coalition of the Fringes. The thought experiment usually asks “What kind of an ideal state would you want if you didn’t know what any of your major personal characteristics would be?” What if you change it to “Of the societies that have currently or previously existed, which of them would you want to be born into if you didn’t know what any of your major personal characteristics would be?” Would any of the BLM, metoo, trans radicals, or similar types choose to be… Read more »

Shrugger
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Shrugger

So what Z-man is proposing is a new third way, which turns out to be based on the original way. I think the question is whether a kin-based social contact can scale to a world of billions of people. And if so, is there a transition other than global (thermonuclear) war?

So two questions for starters.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I believe any true ‘social contract’ has to be darwinian in nature or it is ‘unnatural’.

gb
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gb

Thanks for the primer on social contracts, I appreciate the effort that went into it. Very altruistic. What measures of altruism can be used in future writings on the subject? Seems like a lot of the measures for the lack of altruism, like crime between different ethnic groups, would be censored by media platforms.