The Citizen In A Democratic Empire

When most people think of citizenship, they think of their nation’s constitution or the rights guaranteed to them in the law. They will think of their obligations to their country, like paying taxes, obeying the law and defending the nation. In the West, a citizen is pretty much as the dictionary defines it, “a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it.” It is a reciprocal set of obligations in the law, animated by a sense of duty by both the rulers and the ruled.

Additionally, at least in America, citizenship comes with a belief in equality between the people and the office holders. Every American grows up hearing that anyone can be President. The House of Representatives is known as the people’s house, because it was designed to not only represent the people, but be populated by representatives from the people. In other words, the citizens are ruled by their fellow citizens, not strangers or hired men paid by strangers. You can only be a citizen in your nation.

In the post-national world, that old definition of citizen no longer works. In a world where foreign people can just move in, claim the benefits and protections from the government, citizenship loses all value. At the same time, the state is increasingly alien to the people over whom it rules. In the European Union, the people are no longer ruled by their national governments, as all of the big decision are made in Brussels. In America, political offices are increasingly being filled by exotic weirdos with no connection to the natives.

The question then is what does it mean to be a citizen in a democratic empire?

The most obvious thing about the new citizen in the new post-national world is that the relationship between the citizen and the state is transactional. The state looks at the people as assets and liabilities. Theirs is a custodial role. The people that serve the interests of the state are treated differently from the people who depend on the state for their existence. It is a corporate relationship, except that people cannot be fired, so the useless ones will be stashed away while the productive are put to work.

Similarly, the citizen looks at his government in terms of what it can provide to him. He owes the state no more than he owes the coffee shop. The rules promulgated by the state are to be navigated around, rather than respected. If the rules work for the citizen or his group, the law is supported by the citizen or his group. On the other hand, if the law is an obstacle, then the law is subverted or ignored. In a post-national world, respect to the spirit of the law makes no more sense than having loyalty to a country.

This means that patriotism has no role in the democratic empire. Loyalty to your country only works if you actually have a country. The residue of patriotism will last for a while, as people will still think of their neighbors and friends as their countrymen, but in time, as those people are replaced by strangers, patriotism will disappear. In a transactional world populated by stranglers, your primary loyalty cannot be to the state, as it is just as much a stranger to you as the new neighbors, who just moved in from over the horizon.

The sterile transactionalism is already evident. Consider the change in relationship between employers and their workers. Everywhere in America, employment is at-will, which means an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason. Further, local business is atrophying as global enterprise monopolizes the marketplace. It used to be local business was a part of every community, sponsoring little leagues and charity drives. You’ll never see your kid’s little league sponsored by Google or Amazon.

Of course, this will have unforeseen consequences. For example, the military will no longer be able to rely on patriotism for recruitment. Since no one is a citizen in the old sense, the military stops being a citizen military. Instead, it takes on the characteristics of a mercenary army. The decision to join is no different than the decision to take one job over another. This will also apply to the police. The cops will no longer be citizens protecting and serving their community. They become free range prison guards.

Humans are social animals so the loss of national and regional identity means something will replace it. In a transactional world where everyone is a civic stranger, the old fashioned loyalties will become more important. Family, community, and tribe will be the only identities that have meaning. Again, we see the beginnings of this with the administrative layer of the managerial class. Those FBI agents plotting to overturn the 2016 elections were motivated by the emerging new identity politics.

That’s the thing that gets overstated in discussion of identity politics. The old identities will surely play a role, like race, ethnicity, and religion. New tribes resulting from the post-national relationships will emerge. The managerial state will begin to fracture and balkanize, as the rival power centers begin to jockey for power. Again, this can be seen in the obstruction of the Trump agenda by career bureaucrats in the government. They have become their own tribe and they have become class aware.

This paradise comes with a cost. Nations hold together for the same reason communities hold together. The social capital, those invisible bonds between people, breathe life into the organizing structure. Patriotism and civic duty are what animate the republic. Duty to king and the people is what animates a monarchy. This social capital is what binds the rulers to the ruled. In a highly transactional world, where social capital has been monetized or pushed to the margins, something else must animate the system.

That something else must be force driven by the self-interest of the people occupying positions in the power centers. We see some of that with the censorship campaigns by the tech giants and banks. This will become more overt until everyone has a natural hostility to everyone outside their social group. The cost of maintaining order will increase, but the means for imposing order will increase the cost of imposing that order. The empire will have no choice but to become more ruthless in its dealings.

If one wants to a preview of the post-national world, look at Lebanon. Every hill and every valley is its own nation, so to speak. Groups of the same religious sect or political persuasion can form temporary alliances, but Lebanon is not a coherent country with a common purpose. It’s just a place on the map with meaning only to those completely removed from the realities of Lebanese life. The future citizens will highly local and covetous of the small benefits he and his group can extract from the whole.

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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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…the dictionary defines it as “a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government ”

That’s obviously backwards.
It’s the government that should owe its allegiance to the people.

yeah, dream on.

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The sterile transactionalism is already evident. Consider the change in relationship between employers and their workers. Everywhere in America, employment is at-will, which means an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason. I don’t see any more fair employment relationship possibilities. Tenure and unions are both failures and sources of tremendous graft and cronyism. What should be the case is that the employee should be able to rely on a shared sense of community morality. The business owner should be morally ashamed, and experience shame from his community when he fires an employee for spurious reasons. But… Read more »

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“Utter destruction” not required. Substantial destruction would be, at least destruction of the social order, if not of the population itself.

Maybe I’m quibbling, but there’s a big difference between a social revolution and the Apocalypse.

Issac
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Union labor is indeed part of the problem and should not be fetishized. The problem of callus employer employee relationships isn’t alleviated by unionism. If the state does not enforce minimal immigration and fruitful labor and capital relations itself, the union will only capitulate too.

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Union leaders are generally members of radical leftist parties. They are out of touch with the rank and file membership anyway.

WarrenDee Skill
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Most union leaders are elitists. They rarely work under the conditions the negotiate for those that pay them exorbitant salaries.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

I know the habitual distaste for unions is a thing but the unions pushed wages a hell of a lot higher than they would have been without them. Collective anything, bargaining, action whatever is a lot more powerful than individual anything. The only employer of note who budged on wages was Henry Ford as well, most of the rest would rather set the nation on fire than pay decent wages. Unions gave people a lot more leverage to get wages to a decent level and reduce exploitation These days the demand for labor is such that baring economic nationalism and… Read more »

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You just made a great case for national socialism. And I’m not being snarky.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

As long as I have basic liberty, a functional economy and a healthy homogeneous society I don’t care what kind of system I have.

Socialist Nationalism (to differentiate from totalitarian genocidal National Socialism) is fine with me

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What community? American’s move constantly chasing jobs or a better life and the lack of jobs has destroyed most communities. On the rare occasions in which people try to maintain them, either foreigners are brought on, jobs outsourced to anywhere cheaper, usually not the US or the globalists go into a panic and start planning relocation subsidies Given the US was founded with cheap labor and slavery baked into its national genetics, mix with individualism and a frontier ethos, season with Ayn Rand and Shame isn’t going to work. There is no us in the US Because of this the… Read more »

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I see the remoralization thing (good word BTW) – as being something that CAN be a personal (individual) effort. In the end – if each person doesn’t choose to live a moral life , there is no force in the universe outside of an abject tyranny that will enforce the moral order. It’s true that there are forces of evil out there *enticing* people into doing evil things. But the fact remains that you don’t have to willingly go along with that evil. For a long time all of the degeneracy that the left has offered up – has been… Read more »

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All of what you said is true but I’m beginning to turn on Mr. Beale. No matter how many selfish Baby Boomers there are that got us to this dire moment, I can’t bring myself to cheerleading the death of a generation for reasons. We all are related to one and there are some in my family that we’re good family oriented people and worked hard. I won’t get into this Dirty Harry Dead Pool game of awaiting their death like Vox does from his crypt in Europe. No matter how right he is.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Vox is a jerk. Frankly the problem with the Boomers is to paraphrase Billy Joel, they didn’t start the fire they also did nothing to put it out.

DraveckysHumerus
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How do we on the right put the genie back in its bottle? Facism would produce a counter-reaction with leftist cells metasticizing again. Devolution to a confederation federation? Not even the squatemalans want to live in a squatemalan-run territory and they’d be massacred in negro territory, so it’d be everybody follow whitey. If we should experience a struggle of material attrition, who is to say some combination of events would cause us to fail as white Christians. Look how the Catholic church is still treating the Covington Boys despite they did nothing wrong and they are supervised children. If you… Read more »

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A.B. Prosper

Got an army?I’ve got an ethos and a solution. The solution is a right wing authoritarian state. This means its socially conservative and economically conservative (aka economically nationalist/populist) not fascist which implies corporatism. Said state first seals the borders than gradually deports people till its sufficiently homogeneous. 80% European is the goal, more if you can get it. During this interregnum it passes needed moral regulation especially marriage and custody reform (fault only divorce if children, male custody of children, limits on alimony etc) and maybe porn and drug bans while protecting Christian, not Judeo Christian but actual Christian values… Read more »

Lineman
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@AB
I agree but the army thing is going to be a problem 🤔
If you have any time free next week let me know…

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

I don’t but we will get meat on real space one of these days. More face to face meetings among the dissident right are a needed thing.

Joe Wazzzz
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Joe Wazzzz

The greatness of America came during a period of unusual events that are not likely to be reproduced. It was the Protestant Ethic that was most responsible for the expansion of wealth and capitalism in a productive way. The belief in hard work, thrift, individual responsibility, a common moral code, common language, common faith, local politics and activist citizens, public shaming and shunning and bottom up governance were the drivers in the new democratic representative republic. Add to that the fact that nature supplied abundant resources and removed competing societies in a one time event of East meeting West and… Read more »

Jerry Corn
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You link Representative Ilhan Omar and imply she is not American. Let me tell you that she is more American than anyone posting here. She represents MOST OF THE COUNTRY; she represents diversity, progress, and good in the struggle against racism and Islamophobia. She is beautiful, smart, brave, an incredible leader, and is a prove that all America does not listen to our president’s hateful and divisive rhetoric. We should be proud of her. How many white presidents or Congress have been in the USA. But if one black person gets something good, he/she gets hate messages or threat from… Read more »

Sleepy
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Sleepy

“Dear fellow white people…” Mr. Corn, you’re boring.

Compsci
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Compsci

Mr Corn is trolling—and unfortunately too many of us are falling for it. Don’t feed the troll.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

Also, she’s married to her own brother.

not that there’s anything wrong with that, anymore.

Jerry Corn
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Jerry Corn

Proof?

….crickets…..

That’s what I thought

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

“Official School Records Support Claims That Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) Married Her Brother”
https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/official-school-records-support-claims-that-rep-ilhan-omar-d-mn-married-her-brother/

Jerry Corn
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Jerry Corn

“Pjmedia”

Lol

That’s not a credible source.

Give me something like NYT of Washington Post, not right wing propaganda.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Somalis didn’t like being a European colony.

But they certainly love colonizing European countries.

Almost like it isn’t “justice”. It’s revenge

Toddy Cat
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Toddy Cat

“Give me something like NYT of Washington Post”

Those aren’t credible sources…

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Is leftwing propaganda any better?

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

“DON’T FEED THE TROLL!”….
say The Three Billygoats Gruff

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Gads. This guy is crazy …..

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Here’s the thing with crazy people: if you can just find that hidden switch you can often make them explode in spectacular fashion.

It’s quite fun to watch.

But it can be a lot of work to find the switch. I think of it as a learning experience – because it becomes easier and easier with time, but the resulting explosions remain just as fun to watch as the very first time.

We just need to find the Cornhole’s explode switch.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Jerry Corn aka Tiny Duck and several other things has been around a long time. He’s probably hasbara, a paid troll by some foundation or other. That said nothing he/she/other says should be taken with any seriousness. His main value to us is that he expresses the gut feeling of most of the progs in clear language and lets us know who else is thinking this stuff. He also makes it clear that the rest of us should not share a polity with people who think like him. How we make this happen with reenacting the 30 Years War or… Read more »

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

In the case of Ilhan Omar, it’s not so much People of Color, it’s more People of Sharia that’s the problem.

Jerry Corn
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Jerry Corn

Too bad for you Islam is the fastest growing religion and most of the revers/converts are women

Toddy Cat
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Toddy Cat

If your name is actually “Jerry Corn” it’ll be too bad for you, too, unless you plan on converting.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Which proves a favorite point of some on the manosphere, many women long to be property of a stronger man. And the fastest growing Islamic sect is Ahmadiyy who most Muslims consider non Muslim and heretics. Good luck with that Islamic unity. Wicca BTW is the fastest growing region in the US . Beyond that Christians will outnumber Muslims for at least another 30 years at current rates, probably more and these are not soft Western Christians but people who will kill or outlaw Muslims without a qualm. None of them are Islamophobic , that a stupid term anyway but… Read more »

pdxr13
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pdxr13

If I gets me a converted blue-eyed red haired Muzzie woman or three, how can I be sure that she has abandoned Marxist-Feminism? How can I find out if she is bat-shit-crazy before excessively committing?

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Very corny, Jerry. Very corny

thud
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Afraid? no just saddened and surprised that a Somali could represent anything other than savagery. By the very fact she is Somali one can say she is if not the bottom rung of the evolutionary ladder then she is pretty near it, not sure why the likes of you think we would ever be afraid of low IQ savages.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

I don’t like portraying the problem as one of fear. For the same reason I refuse to bow down to the “phobia” crowd. Homophobia, Islamophobia – it’s just left wing commie word-play designed to make it out like you’re irrational in not fully accepting a cornholing or your women wearing a burkha. There’s a big difference between not liking or not agreeing with something – and being *irrationally” in fear of it. Try using Islamexecration, or Islamaversion. Homoaversion, homoloathing – I’m sure somebody can come up with something that rolls off the tonque nicely. Stop using the words of the… Read more »

Thisisme
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Thisisme

How about bloodthirsty

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

“saddened and surprised that a Somali could represent anything other than savagery.”

OTOH, Ayaan Hirsi Ali…

so, maybe there’s some hope.

3g4me
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3g4me

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is extremely hostile to all religion, very much including Christianity. And she somehow got Niall Ferguson to abandon his White wife and mother of his 3 children for her, with whom he now has a mulatto son. She’s hardly an example of a “good” Somalian.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

I am only objecting to Thud’s phrase
“anything other than savagery.”
There’s a continuum from savagery to civility, and Ayaan Hirsi is nowhere near the savage end of the spectrum. People can evolve over time; so far she’s rejected islam, maybe she’ll come to Jesus eventually.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Nunnya, do you want to live in a country full of Christian blacks? Really? If not, cease with this multiracial Christian country non-sense.

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I see you’ve already taken your daily stupid pill. You should back off the dosage.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

LOL. Ilhan Omar is a Somali Muslim. Islam is completely antithetical to anything even remotely considered American. As a Muslim she is also opposed to anything considered “progress” in the Western tradition – so once again that makes her ANTI American – not “more” American. We’ve had white Presidents in this country – because this was an overwhelming majority WHITE country until the immigration laws were changed. Blacks have never comprised more than 10-13% of the population at any time during the nation’s history , and for the vast majority their behavior has precluded them from participating in the mainstream… Read more »

Mir
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A plurality of whites voted obama into office you moron.

pdxr13
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pdxr13

Barry is half-White, plus-some. I objected to his being a Marxist global-homo and associated with Bill Ayers the terrorist. Worse than Clinton 08-12? But, what was with the linebacker first lady and the kids that don’t resemble either of them?

NITZAKHON
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Writing as a Deplorable whose ancestry goes back to the Pilgrims, and who – yet – is married to a first-generation, legal immigrant who is non-white, I’d like to ask “Do the letters F and Y hold any significance for you?”

StG58p
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StG58p

Not “afraid” of PoC’s. Not willing to be ruled by them.

Yellowish
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Yellowish

“diversity, progress, and good in the struggle against racism and Islamophobia”

And None of that is relate to European-American Value

“Diversity ? You mean value that far away from European as much as possible”

“Progress ? Weakening social cohesion through put various tribe at the same places is Old imperialist strategy”

Are you Imperialist, Corn?

“struggle against racism, Oh Really?

When people accept 1 million immigrants every year and Race/gender quota system, it’s really hard to say that they are racist or Xenophobic

You are the Racist, a European Hater who have Europhobia

Joe Wazzzz
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Joe Wazzzz

Democracy and multiculturalism are mutually exclusive and we live in a time where it is being proven on a grand scale. It could only exist if the world had one language, one government and one religion. Until then, which is never, societies will compete over conflicting moralities and suspicion will undermine any progress toward peace, harmony and unity. The only thing people want in common is to be left alone. Democracy precludes that option.

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Loyalty to your country only works if you actually have a country. I know everyone likes to (justifiably) whale on the cuckservatives. But I’d like to propose a new term: the slowservative. Unlike the cuckservative, who is cowardly and careerist, the slowservative is an upstanding guy, likes idea of family, works hard, inwardly dislikes public pozz, tries to do the right thing. But the problem is he’s slow in getting it. You know, It. Our Thing. The slowservatives I know are still fired up about the American flag because they don’t know yet that we don’t have a country any… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Babe—slowservatives. I like that concept. Will use it. Now that I hear it described, it fits most folk I know in the close circle of friends and relatives. Thanks.

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You are comparing different entities. “Cuckservative” applies to Conservatives in power (media/political/publishing), and with the power to do something about what they secretly know is the real truth, but they choose to play the enemy’s game for narrow self-serving reasons. Your “Slowservative” is just a relatively powerless neighbor normie.

UpYours
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UpYours

Or just maybe, the slowservative does not want his country to become another alt-right shithole like Serbia, Croatia or any of the other 100% white third world Bantustan. They don’t like the brown invasion but do not like the Swastika in a business suit that the alt-right peddles either.

Yves Vannes
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For us to get to the point of Lebanon would require a degree of social decay that would leave very little worth fighting for to preserve. In the best of times Lebanon was a country of borderlands, people with deep fundamental cultural differences. It was never anti-fragile, as a famous native has coined that term. Our regional differences, inspite of a civil war and some regional bickering, are workable and antifragile. At least up until now. If the present trend continues and we get to a point that a Lebanon like fragmentation appears on the horizon, where we are no… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Unfortunately, our political system isn’t designed for more than two parties. A parliamentary system allows for many parties. That makes an ostensibly white nationalist party (or, really, any party representing a particular group) not viable.

It’s why the Dems are the coalition of the fringes. They have to work within the structure of one party.

Theoretically, white identity politicians would be a faction of the GOP, but the GOP hates us so that’s not going to happen.

Yves Vannes
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I agree with your point if Trump can manage another victory. If he loses I don’t think we have any other choice, especially if it’s back to Conservative, Inc. If we had a chance to take over the RP I’d advocate for that path, but look at the whole Steve King episode. They’ll remain Civnats until the stars burn out. If Trump goes down, hoping our enemies will be fair is fantasy. Look at the kids from KY. They literally did nothing. A nervous smile triggered calls for death and destruction. Hiding in the electronic catacombs will be the end… Read more »

Normie
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Do you think it’s even possible for Trump to win?

Yves Vannes
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How well did the RNC do protecting the ballot box during the mid-terms?

In some ways this is more frustrating than are the antics and hysteria coming out of the left. The Recuckplicans have been on their knees for so long they’ve become worse than a joke.

Black Pilled has a short film that hits the mark: The elephants are the RNC, except for the last few frames. THAT’s us or it’s no one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9SbMdWDKEM

Sleepy
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Sleepy

I primary difference between our ruling class (the managerial state, academia, the technology corporations, etc.) and societies based ethnic, tribal and religious affiliations is that in the latter, kith and kin maintain lasting bonds, whereas in the former, siblings, children, etc., are forsaken when they don’t “qualify” for a place in the ruling class. One might see such relatives and friends at an occasional Thanksgiving gathering or a funeral, but the ties that really bind are transactional — “earning” a place in the ruling class, even a low level position, is a prerequisite for maintaining the bond. The crazy uncle… Read more »

thekrustykurmudgeon
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in a way – ideology has become as surrogate identity

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The USSA is a giant tick that sucks the lifeblood out of the resident populace. It is part and parcel of leftist thinking. Welcome to the club. Egalitarianism is a far cry from where we need to be.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

We function in part as a protection racket. The US Navy secures the sea lanes for Arab oil and Chinese trinkets. In return, foreign money buys up the debt to finance the imperialism. It’s a psychotic macro-level game of musical chairs. And when the music stops, nobody knows.

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This is a little off-topic maybe, but I saw you got a nice plug from Am Greatness today:

https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/21/the-left-wont-allow-a-peaceful-separation/

I hope they send some new readers this way. And in all honesty it’s not really that off topic to bring this up because your post today about citizenship makes a nice companion piece to the discussion about peaceful separation.

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The Leftists always hijack words that all normal people approve of, like Justice or Equality, and then they twist the meaning so that it fits in with their own perverse understanding, in the expectation that people will retain the word and gradually get use to and accept the new meaning. Justice and Equality means the permanent establishment of rules that treat people in an unjust and unfair manner. Voila. I used to sing along with the national anthem. Then it occurred to me that the state that I associated that song with no longer exists, and they want me to… Read more »

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Saurons_Lazy_Eye: The word that you are looking for is “comrade.”

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I don’t know what the answer is. I was active military in Gulf War #1 and looking back, that may really have been the last gasp of American Nationalism. I’m currently working with a lot of active duty folks and for them military “service” really is just a job, one with lots of mandatory pozzing. It’s sad really, maybe we were all delusional suckers back then, but we really believed we were participating in something bigger than ourselves, on behalf of our country. I don’t think you could get anyone with more than 6 months of service to say that… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

As Zman says, “Since no one is a citizen in the old sense, the military stops being a citizen military. Instead, it takes on the characteristics of a mercenary army.”

A mercenary army in the service of a corrupt, deep state. What could go wrong?

Rod1963
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Rod1963

Lots.

The point is, in a post law and order world where might makes right. You better be a bad ass with your own forces, Because there is nothing stopping a large mercenary force from simply taking everything their paymaster has,

TomA
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TomA

Technology (and the death of hardship) has changed our environment such that the river of our culture has changed course. And now, it’s leading us to a falls up ahead. Only the strongest among us will survive the journey over the falls. Stay strong or get strong.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Back in the good ol’ days, white people had little concept of their own race. It wasn’t something you thought about much. For most white Americans, whiteness was everywhere. In your neighborhood, community, school, when you went out shopping, on TV, movies. Blacks mostly lived somewhere else, in their own neighborhoods. Now that whites are surrounded and living among people from all over the world, who actually do think and act racially, the game has changed. Whites have been trained to think in terms of color-blindness and content of character. However, the new brown neighbors don’t think that way. They’re… Read more »

DLS
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DLS

I agree. We should treat non-whites with respect, especially as individuals, and wish them well. However, we must adamantly vote and act in our own best interests until everyone agrees to play by the same rules.

UpYours
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UpYours

Concur, one of the sane voices. Kudos

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

I’ve remarked here before how my neighborhood looks like a UN Symposium. I’m in the DC area and I (wrongly) assumed that both price and distance would keep diversity at bay. The starting townhouses here are nearly half a mil (average for DC), single family up from there. On my little street fully 3/4 of the people here are muzz. Africans, mystery meat middle easterners. A smattering of Asians, and ONE white family. (Along with a white mudshark and her “boyfriend” so yeah, she doesn’t count) That is a mind boggling thing to me and just shows there will soon… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Wolf, of course I agree. But I also think many Whites are the way they are because they do not have the type of contact with minorities that would cause an epiphany. We tend, even is heavily minority states and cities, to find White islands of refuge in which to live and raise children.

I’ve don’t remember too many folks I’ve known who remain naively color blind when they’ve gotten a good taste of vibrant diversity.

Yellowish
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Yellowish

Like Myanmar situation, it was created by British Imperialist

Bring Bangladeshis into Myanmar, Made them ruling class and let them fight Myanmarese while British extract the resource

Does it sound familiar to you?

That’s what White Elite doing it European World, Bring foreigners into European communities

Let European and Non-European compete each other for everything while you get champagne in summer house balcony

Let the Normal people pay all the tax and bring in more brown people so make sure can’t rebel against Elite

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>”Similarly, the citizen looks at his government in terms of what it can provide to him. He owes the state no more than he owes the coffee shop. The rules promulgated by the state are to be navigated around, rather than respected. If the rules work for the citizen or his group, the law is supported by the citizen or his group. On the other hand, if the law is an obstacle, then the law is subverted or ignored. In a post-national world, respect to the spirit of the law makes no more sense than having loyalty to a country.”… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

A federal government manned by blacks and browns will not be a particularly effective overseer. It won’t be hard to work around them.

The hard part will be getting whites to realize that they “their” country no longer exists and that they need to create a community within the larger society. This will take time and work.

Primi Pilus
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Primi Pilus

Maybe I’m just getting too old, or can still remember too clearly the America that was for us, but do we really want that ???

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This column dovetails with some of the thoughts I’ve had recently that the alt-right (or dissident right, or whatever nomenclature you choose) needs to become less republican (small “r”) or democrat (small “d”) and become parlimentarian in our thinking. In the foreseeable future we will never be more than a small but growing minority. We need to exploit opportunities for alliances on a transactional basis on issues of importance, as is done in a parlimentary system. I began thinking about this when AOC proposed her 70% top marginal income tax rate on incomes of greater than $10MM. As a matter… Read more »

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

we’re not homo economicus .. There’s more to public policy than just Tax Policy. Dems have supported policies like limiting the size of soda bottles (Bloomberg as NYC mayor (BTW he’s a RINO, and might run for potus as a Dem)), banning plastic bags, or banning paper bags, banning plastic soda straws (but not plastic forks); DeBlasio wants to evict people from public housing if they smoke; they banned foam plastic food containers, they want to ban pet stores from selling pets that aren’t from shelters; San Francisco Supervisor Katy Tang won a proposal to ban sales of fur coats.… Read more »

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That’s a no brainer. Who gives a sh!t about soda bottle size, plastic grocery bags, plastic soda straws, plastic food containers, evicting smokers from public housing, pets from pet stores, and fur coats? I’d gladly cave on all that in exchange for the wall, border security and lower immigration limits. You obviously missed the point of my comment. As a small but growing minority, the alt-right can’t wield any meaningful political power within a two-party system, other than on an issue-by-issue basis. We need to make alliances where we can. For too long the GOPe has taken our votes as… Read more »

Nunnya Bidnez, jr.
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Nunnya Bidnez, jr.

you’ll never have any alliances with people on the left, not even on the minor issues I mentioned.
If Harris is elected president, she’ll veto any bill that exchanges higher taxes on rich leftists, if it also includes funding a wall.

there isn’t enough diversity in political leanings to have a fluid parlimentary system of alliances. We only have 2 major diametrically opposed leanings now, Dem or Rep.

Larkin Lover
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Larkin Lover

I like it

Compsci
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Compsci

Not to beat a dead horse, but to even consider a recommendation from the profoundly ignorant AOC wrt tax policy is silly. The figures can be looked up from the IRS, but even during the Reagan administration, the numbers of folk with *incomes* in such high brackets (adjusting for inflation) was infinitely small. These type of folks, the few that they number, are in the top .1 of 1% of the population. No meaningful amount of money can be generated from them. Folks with all the wealth did not derive such from income, but rather they created it through their… Read more »

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Perhaps you missed the sentence in my original comment which stated explicitly that as a matter of economics it’s terrible policy.

This isn’t about economics; it’s about politics. The wealthy cozied up to the left for years in no small part because they knew they could rely on conservatives to block the socialist impulses of an AOC. It’s time for us to declare that alliance dead.

The first time AOC utters the words “wealth tax” this will get interesting.

Larkin Lover
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Larkin Lover

I prefer the Democrats to any neocon style republican. If we are going to waste money it may as well be in this country. This may be terribly wrong headed, but it’s a spiritual thing to some degree with me. Please explain to me if I’m wrong.

Dale Peterson
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Dale Peterson

And now let us turn to Hymn No. 233, Onward Christian Soldiers.

Josh
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Josh

So are we looking at the Balkans of the 80s and 90s?

TomA
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TomA

No, the federal behemoth has too much inertia. Social disintegration will begin in the large metropolitan areas with very high parasite populations. These localized collapses will trigger a heavy-handed response from federal agents and national guard troops; which will succeed in marginally containing the chaos. Nothing major will happen until the pension bubble bursts and the financial system collapses.

Wilbur Hassenfus
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Wilbur Hassenfus

“The rules promulgated by the state are to be navigated around, rather than respected.”

Not taking issue overall, but there has never been a time when that particular item wasn’t true.

Matrix
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Matrix

I live in Minnesota, and the change is unbelievable up here after the Somalis invaded. When some of them first got here, they would try on the culture and integrate OK. A Cross country team up here had a national caliber team of Somalis in a small town. Not that many in the school so they all went out for the team and did really well. When the local meat packing plant kept bringing them in for cheap labor, their crew in town grew really large. Now they are a gang in town that just makes trouble and gives nothing… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Until the average normie conservative is mouthing the words “internment” and “repatriation” we are still on square one.

It would seem almost a titanic achievement just to halt illegal immigration, let alone “legal” immigration.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

There’s a difference between a sprinkling of diversity and large numbers, a distinction most pundits never make. The Somalian kids when small in number felt the need to join the cross country team and integrate into the school’s culture. Kids want to be part of a group. When the numbers of Somalians grew large, now they have their own group, their own culture and no need to join the white students’ team and culture.

iuyyyyui
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iuyyyyui

Says the Somali female Congresswoman:
I’M Mary Richards now……

TomA
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TomA

This is exactly the world as it existed in the environment of our ancestral evolution, e.g. roving tribes in equilibrium with all other neighboring tribes; and all strangers are perceived as existential threats because that was the reality. It is only during the last 1% of our evolutionary life that we have adapted to large-scale assemblies of population (nations), and this was driven by survival necessity (the age of barbarism). Patriotism evolved as a trait because that is what worked in the new nation-based environment that ultimately defeated barbarism. Now ask the question, what we will evolve into in this… Read more »

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“Everywhere in America, employment is at-will, which means an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason.”

What are you, some kinda commie? BTW, it’s not everywhere, only most states; and it doesn’t apply if you do have an employment contact (execs, big shots, etc.). And it’s always been like this, so it’s hardly related to some loss of patriotism.

Yves Vannes
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“And it’s always been like this”.

Except when businesses were tied to the community and lived in the community and were related to people in the community and planned on remaining members of the community and their children and grandchildren would inherit part of this community and so on and so on and so on…so explicit laws of fair play and reciprocity we unnecessary.

Larkin Lover
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Larkin Lover

I was arguing with some lefties the other day about the illegals and the caravan, and I told them “you guys favor foreigners over your own people.” And they said there is the issue, you should not make a distinction between “your people” and foreigners. That basically shut me up. Once a large group has accepted and internalized that what more can you say to them?

LineInTheSand
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All you can do at that point of the discussion is to observe that the foreigners still privilege their own people over all others. It’s similar to when someone decries white identity politics. At this point, you must say, “Okay, now say the same thing about j3wish/black/hispanic identity groups.” They are almost always unable to do so.

The lefties are asking you to be race-blind towards people who are committed to their race. Only conservatives fall for that. Unfortunately, conservatives love to do that.

Jerry Corn
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Jerry Corn

Do any of you people have children?

Do any of you people have (or have you ever had) a romantic relationship with a female?

Toddy Cat
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Toddy Cat

Sounds pretty homophobic to me. Please turn yourself in to the nearest re-education center, Citizen!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Please turn yourself in, Resident!

Doodle Dandy
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Doodle Dandy

I am a woman with a husband and five children (yes, all fathered by my husband), and I hang on Zman’s every word. Good day to you.

thud
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As opposed to you hunting down de fine white women? I’d hazard most here are parents and in stable relationships with horror of horrors….people of the opposite sex.

Ursula
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Ursula

Jerry Curl, I proudly admit that I’ve never had a romantic relationship with a female and never will.

Firewire7
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Firewire7

“In a transactional world populated by stranglers…”

Now THERE is a Freudian slip!

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“Stranglers in a Strangled Land”

Matrix
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Matrix

Here I come again now baby
Like a dog in heat
Tell it’s me by the clamor now baby
I like to tap the streets
Now I’ve been smoking for so long
You know I’m here to stay
Got you in a stranglehold baby
You best get out of the way

Ted Nugent

Johnny Cat
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Johnny Cat

Maybe.

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“If one wants to a preview of the post-national world, look at Lebanon.”

Yes, by all means look at it. Look at the entire Middle East. By bringing in large numbers of non-Europeans into the USA, especially Semitic peoples of all persuasions, we are turning our nation into a mirror image of the soil from which these tribal people sprang. Low trust societies are destroying high trust societies.

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Dutch

The soil from which these people sprang is poor, desolate, and wasted. Their culture, such as it is, is a means of survival in such a place. It appears that their culture, which consists of basically scavenging, and is riven with brutal alliances of blood and convenience, is our future, if we allow it to establish itself. Why, in God’s name, would we want to do such a thing to ourselves?

Maus
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Maus

I will be interested to see if in post-national America social cohesion becomes purely a numbers game, i.e. my tribe is bigger than your tribe, so we win and you lose. The current coalition of the fringes blurs this dynamic. Are tribes with disparate interests cooperating merely to hasten the suppression of the dwindling majority of hated whites? I cannot grasp how a tribe like so-called transexuals, at less than 1% of society, or even homosexuals, at less than 10%, can expect to maintain any power. The loss of widespread moral sensibility has shielded them from the outrage of former… Read more »

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Moran ya Simba

A homerun post. Leftism will end in something sterile, dead concrete. I believe leftists subconsciously steer towards this b/c the inner core of marxism, in all its many forms, is nihilism. Like psychopaths they dont instinctively understand human emotions.

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Karl Horst (Germany)

I seem to remember under Bush Jr., any non-citizen who signed up for the military was promised citizenship. Seems that was only convenient as long as he needed cannon fodder – https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/05/army-discharging-immigrants/762021002/ https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/626773440/u-s-army-is-discharging-immigrant-recruits-who-were-promised-citizenship With all due respect to your men and women in the military, the US hasn’t fought for or secured anyone’s freedom or democracy since WWII, it’s a wonder why anyone would sign up, especially as more benefits keep getting cut. A friend in the US recently told me military personnel no longer have the old retirement program but are now being enrolled in a 401-K program. From… Read more »

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Real white men (alpha males) have little desire to serve with girls, minorities, or fags.

Compsci
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Compsci

Epaminondas, correct. What one should consider (and then shudder at) is who represents the “tip of the spear” in the armed services at this point— the last of the White civnat’s. Your alpha males as you call them. Drive them off and the military is a paper tiger as Mao was want to say.

UpYours
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UpYours

Yeah, sure so Marcus Luttrell, Matthew Axelson and Mike Murphy were not Alpha Males as they served with a minority (Solomon Suh). Why don’t you walk up to Marcus Luttrell and say this to his face? Besides, what have you done for the country? Like most of the alt-right losers, you probably have not served and never will. Rick Wilson is a first rate sleaze and traitor but he was right about the alt-right being childless single men who get kicks out of anime watching.

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Yes, GWBush loved the idea of foreign mercenaries becoming magic dirt Americans. Obama loved it even more and decided the magic worked (Squatemalan peasant to American citizen soldier) in only one year. Now some of them are quietly being released. As far as bennies go, some have been cut from the height of the Iraq/Afghanistan entanglements, but overall military salaries are quite competitive and plenty of ‘retirees’ are barely middle-aged and are often double-dippers (military retirement plus private pension). Right now the Army is having trouble filling its recruitment quota because private sector jobs are more available and, I believe,… Read more »

Gravity Denier
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As citizenship devolves into a purely legal category, codes of conduct are no longer upheld by the invisible hand of an urge to do the right thing voluntarily. Laws must expand to fill the void in social loyalty. The State becomes the sole arbiter of what is correct — with the power to declare anything inconvenient to it as punishable. I am very worried about what is to come, but somewhat encouraged by the increasing number of comments here that simply assume that radical reformation is needed. What that will consist of is naturally subject to much debate and disagreement,… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

It would seem that what must follow is an authoritarian/dictatorial rule. However, I’m not convinced it will be conservative and a Pinochet-like figure will head it. But whatever, I suspect it will have initial support of the people who will clamor for an end to the chaos of anarchic, warring factions.

John Gritt
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John Gritt

Brushing aside that “social capital” is a bogus phrase of leftist-progressive academic claptrap (social currency would more appropriate), there is some truth in the Z-man’s prediction.

Likely, over the next ten years, you will witness a big sort in the USA. Libby progs will gain control of Florida, Arizona, Georgia and perhaps Texas. Whites will move in droves to northern states. Those of the colored races will flock south.

This will set the stage for the break-up of the USA by 2050 or so.

Karl McHungus
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Karl McHungus

Holy cow, Zman. You made Zerohedge! Is this the widest distro of one of your columns?

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I don’t think these sites know exactly what they’re doing when they link to Z.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Friendly hellos to Frip. Hope you were well while you were away. You stayed away like you pledged to. You were missed.

Joey
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Joey

Unz Review now has a decent article on IQ by nation and world.
check it out

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

Pretty bleak outlook. Was listening to sports radio today. They kept carrying on about the losing quarterback for the AFC game.

Don’t really follow football so had to look this guy up . Sure enough “a person of color” . If this kid unzipped his fly these two jokers would be on their knees.

Tells me pretty much whatever our masters have in store for us will go unabated. Whitey will do what he is told. Like the South Africans even when these people are being murdered they’ll still be in denial.

Gerard Van der Leun
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Just in passing I would not that this thin and grey font on white makes this page hard on the eyes. You might want to make the font darker or thicker. But that’s just me. I could be wrong.

Oldfart
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Oldfart

No, you’re not wrong. I have a helluva time just following individual lines of text.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

Most graphic designers believe that serif fonts are better for text. Sans serif (like this) is fine for heads and subheads but is fatiguing to the eye when it continues at some length.

Yellowish
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Yellowish

When every year Millions foreign people come America legally and guarantee to receive citizenship That citizenship becoming worthless, its supply and demand Which ethnic group did you belong to and how many wealth you possess is more important than voting itself If you are wealthy Jew than no problem, you are chosen people of god therefore you are the god If you are black, mean you are not the white therefore you are good if you are white men, you are evil and must pay the price to live Because your life has not allow for many good reason such… Read more »

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Z’s points are sound but a few other ideas that impact the future: 1. Whites are dismayed by the present because they compare it to the history of the U.S. Our replacements compare the present US to their shithole countries of origin and the nightmarish picture of the US past painted for them by the media and educational institutions. They will be far more content 2. The elite do not need a stable, functioning country. That is what the middle class needs. The elite only needs their areas to be stable and functioning. 3. Low crime and violence and honest… Read more »

Linda Fox
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That does gibe with what I know of Lebanese people. I grew up in an area of Cleveland, OH (actually, Lakewood, first suburb to the west). Even in my childhood, there were many Lebanese living in town, also Syrians, and a few Egyptians. Most were Christians, or some other non-Muslim faith. A few were Muslim. They were extremely clannish – and, I say that, even compared to the many displaced peoples who were also neighbors. I was friends with the kids, and the adults were cordial and warm to neighbors, but their loyalties were strictly reserved for those of their… Read more »

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The original socialist unit is the family where the producers support the non-producers. The Clan is a genetic extension of the family. We support our genetic lineage and peers for genetic continuity. A nation is an attempt to stretch the protective umbrella of the clan over a much larger and disparate group. The nations with the most genetic conformity have the lowest crime rate. The nations with the most genetic diversity have the highest incarceration rate. It is genetic inclusiveness that brings peace to a population. By forcing genetic intrusions, Merkel, et al are creating more crime. The intruders have… Read more »

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One of the best analyses of the post-national mess that I have read so far.