The Dissident Right

Labels are important in social discourse, as they are shorthand for a collection of ideas, arguments and images. It’s why the Left always makes its first assault on something by corrupting its labels. If they can anathematize the label, then they effectively discredit the people and ideas associated with it. It is a form of the aphorism often mistakenly credited to Stalin, “No man, no problem.” Similarly, social movements often first try to establish their name and symbols, before fully explaining what it is they are championing.

One reason the alt-right was easily smashed by the Progressive establishment is that they chose symbols that had already been anathematized by the Left and their team name had no intrinsic meaning. They would have been better off dressing as circus clowns, rather than prep school Nazis. They thought they could break the taboos against fascism by irreverently breaking the taboo, but instead they simply ended up playing a well-known role in the Left’s morality play. From there it became easy to demonize the name “alt-right.”

That said, if the term alt-right had a better definition, one that was both positive and intrinsically respectable, there efforts to break the fascist taboo by irreverently mocking it could have worked. The reason is the public would have identified them with a label having an established meaning that was separate from the cartoon version of fascism the Left has promoted for generations. Instead, alt-right had no obvious meaning, other than an association with Richard Spencer, who was quickly turned into the bogeyman.

It is why “dissident right” has a better chance as a label for an authentic alternative to the Progressive orthodoxy. The word “dissident” has both a literal meaning and an historic meaning. In fact, the idea of the dissident has emotional resonance in the West, as it is associated with resistance to authoritarianism. While “alt” is that key on your keyboard you use when things go wrong, a dissident is a heroic figure, stoically refusing to buckle to the authoritarian. It’s a word the Left cannot demonize without revealing themselves.

The trouble is, the label does not have a literal definition that is known to most people who use it for themselves or the larger movement. You see that in this post over at Counter-Currents by someone using the name Eordred. He runs through the various tribes that continue to operate outside of mainstream public discourse, but he struggles to arrive at a definition. It is only at the end that he makes a passing reference to the actual source of the term, coined by John Derbyshire a couple of decades ago.

The dissident right is, to some degree, a reaction to the shift on the Right, among the Buckleyites mostly, to embrace the blank slate and egalitarianism. This was mostly due to the infestation of neoconservatives and libertarians. The neocons brought with them that old Marxist belief that society can be willed into any shape you like, regardless of the people in it. Libertarians, like Marxist, simply refuse to accept the reality of the human condition. As a result, the mainstream Right implicitly embraced the blank slate.

The dissidents were those who first dissented from the prevailing orthodoxy on human nature and human organization. Drawing on science, rather than tradition or religion, the dissidents made the correct point that human diversity is real. People, as we see them today, are not the result of historical forces, but the result of evolutionary forces. It turns out, and the evidence continues to pour in support of this, that human evolution is local, copious and recent. The observable differences are rooted in biology, not culture.

While the dissident right is, to some degree, a reaction to the drift into blank slate mysticism by the establishment Right, it is not reactionary. To be a reactionary is to be entirely controlled by the Left, which is why reaction has never been able to sustain itself as an authentic organizing philosophy. It is the cleanup crew after a spasm of radicalism has made a mess of things. The dissident right is not a reaction to radicalism. It is a promotion of biological reality. It offers an alternative foundation for political philosophy.

As far as being on the Right, it is because biological realism reaches the most of the same conclusions of the traditional Right, with regards to human nature and the human organization. The difference is that the traditional Right assumes those traditions, customs and institutions are the result of accumulated wisdom. The dissident right, in contrast, thinks of traditions, customs and institutions as evolved solutions to human organization that are peculiar to a people, because of their peculiar evolutionary arc.

In other words, go into any high school cafeteria and you will see the students self-segregating along academic class, social class, sex and race. This is not the result of accumulated wisdom in the form of custom or the result of tradition. It is not the result of mystical forces like white privilege or social constructs. It is the nature of humans to attract to those with whom they share fundamental connections, which are rooted in biology. Their hierarchical relationships are similarly rooted in their biology.

This difference in starting premise is what distinguishes the dissident right from the traditional Right and puts it at odds with some elements on the Right. Instead of defending tradition on philosophical grounds, it challenges the status quo on empirical grounds. It is why the Left is so frightened of what is coming from the human sciences. Their effort to anathematize these ideas by calling them “scientific racism” inevitably makes them look like vinegar drinking scolds, condemning Galileo in defense of superstition.

That said, this radical starting point could very well be why it cannot coexist with the traditional Right. There is a noticeable gap in perspective between those with an empirical world view versus those steeped in tradition and philosophy. When your starting point is an English biologist, rather than a German philosopher, the cultural differences are quite noticeable to both parties. The rationality of the dissident right may make it unsuited for political conflict, which is not about the right answer, but the right weapon.

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pyrrhus
pyrrhus
1 year ago

“Nationalist Right” is the most accurate and appealing label for what we want, which is a nation of people who are on the same wavelength generally….The fact that we had that when the country was 90% white is apparent, but need not be put front and center…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 year ago

The word “Nationalist” is associated with Nazi. Stupid, yes. Unfair, yes. Reality, yes. Using “Nationalist” in your label is PR suicide. You’ll scare away normies immediately.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

How about the Know Nothing party.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  David_Wright
1 year ago

I’ve always been fond of that label. The smartest, most talented people always seem to be the most humble about what they know.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  David_Wright
1 year ago

Which opposed mass immigration because of its destructive effects on wages and civil life….They knew plenty…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Btw, I hate that Nationalist has been so tainted, because you’re right, it is the correct label. It’s what we all believe, and it’s a good thing. But for now, we have to bow to optics.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

@CSC
Exactly right Brother perception at this stage in the game is everything…I think we need a positive vibe not a negative one but thats just my opinion…Like we are the Right Stuff Rebels or something along those lines…Shake it up since whatever we are doing isn’t waking enough people up…JMHO

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Well if you are not a nationalist, you are a globalist it would seem, and globalists are in favor of open borders and multiculturalism, which are cultural suicide…

Diversity Heretic
Member
1 year ago

One of the commenters on the Chateau Heartiste blog said that thezman had been deplatformed by WordPress. Obviously, it isn’t true (for which I am grateful), and he later corrected himself. Any basis for the report?

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 year ago

This was covered yesterday here. Z didn’t respond so I suppose all is well, but the site was down for a bit early in AM w/ some disturbing header information in its place.

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=17138#comment-98090

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

All I can say is “Whew!”- because today’s post proves it. Sterling.
I can hardly wait for the comments.

Jay Dee
Jay Dee
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
1 year ago

The sad reality……..whenever I find a site like Zman’s (or Sailer, or a handful of others) not responding, my FIRST thought is: HE’S BEEN DEPLATFORMED!!. Not an internet/hosting/traffic issue, which would be your first inkling anywhere else.

kleist
kleist
1 year ago

“The rationality of the dissident right” lolololololololol

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  kleist
1 year ago

Speak for yourself fucko, you are either intentionally trolling (TinyFuck?) or you are confused between the aforementioned ‘alt-right Nazi larping preppies’ and the far more astute dissident right which includes most readers on this forum plus many others through our various ‘badthink’ networks. Which is it?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

Kleist is obviously trolling. The answer he claims to seek, or definition he rejects, is adequately elaborated in Z-man’s posting. If there really is a legitimate question/disbelief by Kleist, the appropriate response would be to cite a counter example and allow Z-man to rebutt—but this is not the purpose of trolling. Kleist got his dopamine hit with his posting and is probably off on another blog repeating himself. And that is the small world that low IQ individuals such as Kleist inhabit.

kleist
kleist
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Do you ever ask yourselves why Zman never mentions the only guy in this administration who can be counted on to speak up for and advance policies that align with our preferences? The reason is that there’s no market for the “dissident right” without proposals to either get rid of the Jews or at least make them shut the hell up. Notice the huge comments turnout for yesterday’s orgy of bashing Norman Podhoretz. This is America. You don’t have to like Jews. My wife hates Catholics, she just hates them and there’s nothing I can do about it. But that’s… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  kleist
1 year ago

Miller? Perhaps you should speak more plainly.

kleist
kleist
Reply to  SidVic
1 year ago

It’s an IQ test. Doesn’t everyone in here like IQ testing?

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  kleist
1 year ago

Can we agree on a divorce?

Wouldn’t you agree that it is very unlikely to have a powerful Jewish diaspora population that doesn’t insist on open borders? That’s reason enough for a divorce.

kleist
kleist
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Sure, this is America. But if I play scientist, then I’d have to account for Miller and other denizens of the diaspora like this guy: https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mexican-soldiers-detain-american-soldiers-u-s-soil-government-response/

MBlanc46
1 year ago

Certainly one of the principal anchors of traditionalist conservatism is not a German philosopher, but an Irish philosopher and statesman, Edmund Burke.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
1 year ago

Dissident is better but still has a tinge of grumbling outsider attached to it. We aren’t the freaks, we’re the normal ones. We see the world not like the last 2 generations but in line with the previous 1000.

We have a label, many of them: Westerners, huWhyte, European, American, Dutch, Nordics, Latins, Mid-Westerners, etc.

We should be renaming outsiders and those natives who reject their stewardship of the West in favor of foreign influence and the worship of mammon.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Yves Vannes
1 year ago

You’re onto something.
This is branding, so how about the Normal Right?

Claim the high ground.

pimpkin\'s nephew
pimpkin\'s nephew
Reply to  Yves Vannes
1 year ago

I suggest the “Divine Right” as both a name and a program.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
1 year ago

We have a high mountain to climb when biological reality is smeared as pseudoscience by virtually everyone who has a mainstream platform. From the recent treatment of Dr. James Watson (see NYT’s Amy Harmon) it’s easy to see that any science findings relating to race differences will be silenced by the mainstream media. Since we’re living in an era of the unthinkable becoming reality, maybe it’ll even become a crime to study race differences.

The Babe
The Babe
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I think it would be very unwise to overlook the tried-and-true tactics of “regular” politics.

One such is that going negative works. We should never miss a chance to point out that our opponents are bad people intentionally doing bad things. Their guys range from scumbags to sociopaths.

And for fair-play fetishists, take solace in the fact that it also happens to be true.

Oldltradesman
Oldltradesman
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

The Platinum Rule of the white secular Left and evangelical Right: Treat others (except fellow whites) as they want to be treated. No reciprocity is expected or required.

Others = Special People and POCs.

Toward fellow whites The Golden Rule and its ethics of reciprocity generally applies, unless they disagree with/violate The Platinum Rule.

Disagreement with/violation of TPR by a fellow white results in the revocation of his human/religious status. He becomes “irredeemable.”

Sound familiar?

Good slaves concur with The Platinum Rule and its ethics of non-reciprocity toward official Others.

http://www.alessandra.com/abouttony/aboutpr.asp

DLS
DLS
Reply to  The Babe
1 year ago

Local Democrats have always been dirty, but nationally, the descent of the left into outright evil has been one of the most amazing developments of the last 30 years. Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis were all naive liberals, but they had a basic decency and moral compass. Today’s leftists are pathological liars and criminals, who will do anything for power. Spying on opponents, advocating for infanticide, allowing young illegals to be trafficked, dredging up perjurers to bear false witness at supreme court confirmations, and just the shear volume of dishonesty on every issue, is simply disgusting. And the CivNats still… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaehdiel
Ris_Eruwaehdiel
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Typically, people don’t think, they feel and then use reason to justify their feelings. Before I accepted that fact, I might try to reason with someone and I might as well of discussed the issue with a telephone pole.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaehdiel
1 year ago

Yep, using facts and logic in a political debate is insane. Politics is religion.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

“Politics is religion.” That’s how I see the Bible. As forgotten political propaganda of the time each book was written. No gods, or magic, or heaven. That is a great strength, one we don’t suspect. Since it was the encyclopedia of the West for some 1600 years, it is familiar and powerful with us. The events in it were real. Even the plagiarized parts have kept our deep well of human stories alive. We may no longer remember what exactly they were talking about, but neither did the writers. Yet still they used its themes to move masses. Reading it… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

I didn’t grow up with any religious instruction. My parents were not openly hostile to religion, but they weren’t fans either.

The Great Replacement is slowly pushing me toward Christianity, if for no other reason that it may be what we need to fight back.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

See my post below. Darwin and the Theory of Evolution are a good Trojan Horse or, maybe, their Achilles Heel, choose your favorite ancient metaphor. Using evolution as an intro into your beliefs puts them immediately on the defensive. From a Cialdini emotional persuasion point of view, you directly tap two of the six (authority and consistency) principles of persuasion.

To deny racial differences is to deny the Theory of Evolution, which forces them to reject the authority of every teach they’ve ever had and their own stated beliefs. It makes denying biological differences immoral and unscientific.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Citizen: If pointing out the logical inconsistencies in left wing views worked, Dinesh D’Sousa would be emperor of Earth. Our enemies reject the legitimacy of logic. Pointing out how they are illogical is therefore a giant waste of oxygen. You/we need to think like stupid people here. Herd status-striving for women; shaming (or contra, heroism & leadership) for men works, anything involving the word “syllogism” does not.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Educated.Redneck
1 year ago

Agreed. I’m trying to find a way for normies to think about these things while keeping them in their comfort zone. I’m not trying to win a debate but to change their perception of reality.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

People forget there is conjecture, then hypothesis, then Theory- a tested, demonstrable, repeatable body of laws. Theory of Gravity, for instance.

Carrie
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Agreed, Mr. Z.
Aaaaand: could you share some concrete examples of how to do that?
How do I make fun of a Leftist and their “moral” arguments, by making fun of them with my own “you’re immoral” arguments?
It’s really difficult, b/c I go STRAIGHT to facts and reason, which never resonates (except with myself) or is successful.

Open to other suggestions from the Peanut Gallery!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Carrie
1 year ago

Same here, Carrie. I sputter, since I can’t bark like a trained seal.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

“I agree and it is a reminder of the fact we need to develop better rhetorical skills. We also have to accept that political warfare is always about morality, not facts and reason.” Ha! The “Right” has no rhetorical skills. We can’t make a political argument to save our skin or soul. Never have. We just sit there like a bunch of fish in a barrel tounge-tied. Hm…picture tongue-tied fish. I’ve spent years fussing at politicians, presidents, journalists at their lack of elaboration and clarification ability. Now that the left is completely insane and dominates the moral high hill, most… Read more »

John Hume
John Hume
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

If the problem is just who controls the megaphone, that is a great position for us to be in. Even the Quillette people have been able to circulate evidence showing that what the mainstream considers correct is horrifically wrong – including debunking entire studies that serve as the basis for whole lines of thought. The reality is a lot of people have become comfortable with the idea that what is being shouted through the megaphone is typically a bunch of lies, or at least willful misinterpretations, which are just lies by a different name. We don’t have a science problem… Read more »

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

“We don’t have a science problem or even, strictly speaking, a government problem: we have a progressive white people problem, because they are the ones enforcing platitudes even after those ideas have been unmasked.” Precisely, which is why I am not so worried about demographic change or burning Cathedrals. Good events have bad results and bad events have good results. Progressive whites undermine their own influence and genetic fitness with mass immigration and liberal ideology. Those who cannot judge a book by its cover will waste a lot of time. A waning Christianity highlights the importance of religion through spiritual… Read more »

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Ivan
1 year ago

Thinning out the herd is far from a bad thing, especially when self-selection is factored in. Right now in Britain, some greenies are publicly pledging never to have children in order to save the planet. I am applauding and encouraging this with every fibre of my being.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Ivan
1 year ago

Progressive whites don’t seem to have undermined themselves through massive immigration so far. I don’t know about their genetic fitness. But most of us aren’t focused on the more interesting 100,000 years when we are being threatened and oppressed in the next 24 hours for being white and dissident.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Agreed, moral parables easily eclipse any untethered list of facts…but weave the two into a narrative with real demonstrable causes and effects and …we get deplatformed. When given the opportunity we dominate any open forum and have always done so no matter how poor a showing we may initially make. Our problem is less what we say and how we say it, than it is access and regularity. If we have a rhetorical problem it’s that we have too many chiefs in the teepee. We have spokesmen playing general when they should be peeling potatoes. Some just lack maturity, some… Read more »

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

… maybe it’ll even become a crime to study race differences.

Oh, come on. You can’t be serious. Next you’ll be saying it could become a crime to question the Holocaust.

John Hume
John Hume
1 year ago

Z makes a good point at the end that the dissident right’s empiricism makes it rather unsuited for politics (although I would caveat that the dissident right would probably perform best in local elections if it were to expand its political appetite). So where can the dissident right generate big impacts, if not by electing people? My guess is the academy (biology, classical literature, history, and most engineering subjects are fair game), medicine, and, perhaps most importantly, careers and social positions that involve developing group bonds based on inherent shared characteristics and the need to specialize when tackling tough labor… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

Hume
Most lineman I know are dissident right by what they believe its just getting them all moving in one direction that’s the hard part…

Da Booby
1 year ago

Focusing on culture would be a better strategy than on biology, at least in the Booby’s view. Take a 19th Century Slav from an backward country, put him in a North American culture, largely a derivative of the English economy and legal system, add some hard work, and presto: you have successful offspring buying homes, starting businesses, etc. The same can be said of the Chinese and Japanese, whose descendants are more like white people of yesteryear than most white people these days. The African descendants and Natives of North America, on the other hand, have never accepted the culture… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Da Booby
1 year ago

But focusing on culture implicitly accepts the Left’s (and Current Right’s) morality. It accepts the blank slate and rejects racial biology. Once you accept their morality and reality, you’ve lost.

“Blacks aren’t any different, they just haven’t been (fill in the blank).” You’ve lost.

Da Booby
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Baby steps.

Ethnic nationalisms aren’t possible in the current polity, for better or worse. That’s not going to change unless you can think of some way to fire all of academia from Berlin to Seattle, the entire gov’t bureaucracy of each Western country, and convince middle-class white women to find a new pseudo-religion.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Da Booby
1 year ago

Blacks evolved in the mono-climate of sub Saharan Africa and were a nomadic people that had no need for substantial or permanent housing; hence their descendants here in the US are not inclined toward buying or maintaining mainstream housing. Conversely, the peoples that evolved in the upper Northern latitudes experienced extreme climate variation and could not survive without substantial housing; hence their descendants’ proclivity to own and maintain a solid and safe domicile structure. There is no right or wrong here, just different strokes for different folks.

dindu nuffin
dindu nuffin
Reply to  Da Booby
1 year ago

Focusing on culture has been a losing strategy for over half a century, at least in the Dindu’s view. To the extent the Blakes don’t accept the white man’s culture, it’s because of their biological inability to do so.

If muh culture could deal a death blow to multiculturalism, multiculturalism would already be dead.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Da Booby
1 year ago

My preference would be someone from the other side of the Hajnal line, but close enough.

The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

I agree that,

‘you will see the students self-segregating along academic class, social class, sex and race.’

However, it’s a push to justify this with:

‘It is the nature of humans to attract to those with whom they share fundamental connections, which are rooted in biology.’

Are academic class and social class really rooted in biology? And even if they are that doesn’t tell us what to do about them. After all, rape and nepotism are also rooted in biology but we try not to indulge in either.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

As with most things, it is highly unlikely that it is either biology or philosophy that completely determines the culture of any grouping of humans, but rather it is the result of a combination of both. The realist/empiricist approach has backing, but biology is not quite so deterministic. Certainly, it is foolish to ignore observed biological differences among the races or sexes, and to structure a society in defiance of them (just asking for trouble), but it is also simply not true that biology is the be all and end all of what creates a society. For better or worse,… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

Unrecorded. I understand your question, but have no adequate response—except to question how long and how deep you’ve been involved in HBD. The answer is a resounding “yes”, but if you can’t come to that conclusion, perhaps a bit more reading of the literature is in order. Rape and nepotism are not the best examples, again from my understanding of HBD. No put down implied here. Just keep your readings up and I believe you’ll come to the answer yourself. Hell, I’ve been studying such for years, and only now are the bits coming together thanks to folk like Zman,… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I would be interested in the connections between social class/caste and broader inheritable psychological traits (the Big 5) vs simply g.

Here’s one study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498890/

One thing that I thought interesting from the study is that openness to experience demonstrated small-to-medium inverse associations with every success outcome except positive affect.

dindu nuffin
dindu nuffin
Reply to  BadThinker
1 year ago

connections between social class/caste and broader inheritable psychological traits (the Big 5) vs simply g

The defunct Mangan’s blog touched on this (life history being associated with Big 5 traits): https://web.archive.org/web/20140711164120/http://www.mangans.blogspot.com/

“Interestingly, life history appears not to be related to intelligence.”

This surprised me. In fact, I’m not sure I believe it. NB, I have not yet read the study Mangan cited (linked here), I just tend to be skeptical of psychology findings that don’t jive with my lived experience.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

Class and caste- comfortable familiarity, with enforceable boundaries- are not malevolence or cheating.

Rape and nepotism are biological warfare.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

Unrecorded;;
For whom is nepotism *not* the rule everywhere under the sun_? Isn’t nepotism the main point of the evolution of altruism discussed at the linked article about the English biologist W.D. Hamilton_?

Ask yourself where the idea that nepotism is bad came from. It certainly was the rule in Chicago politics, for example.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  The Unrecorded Man
1 year ago

A more pressing question for us is how biological are political and social views; or which is better political strategy: debating or making babies?

Cerulean
Cerulean
1 year ago

Here’s another English scientist worth knowing about.

https://www.famousscientists.org/ronald-fisher/

Although the linked article does not emphasize it, his career suffered due to the sociopolitical advocacy he took up as a result of his research. Incidentally, he fathered and raised nine children.

Neither biology nor statistics would be the same today without the work Ronald Fisher did — and that is a huge understatement.

DLS
DLS
1 year ago

We really need a label that slams the opposite. The left is great at this. If you are not progressive you are regressive. If you are not pro-choice, you hate choices. The opposite of dissident is what? It would be nice if “freedom” could be incorporated somehow, without being sucked down the libertarian or progressive rabbit holes. Isn’t that what we ultimately want – freedom to associate with whomever we wish, and freedom to not subsidize and endorse that with which we disagree?

John Hume
John Hume
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

What if – hear me out on this – we just bite the bullet and call ourselves the “revolutionary right.” In a different era, that label would sound extreme, but today it’s kind of par for the course, especially since the word “revolutionary” has been diluted to mean “radically innovative” or “paradigm-shifting”. The smear that comes with this label is to compare us to the conservative revolutionaries of interwar Germany, but that’s a bit academic and starts regressing toward silly Nazi name-calling, which is both inaccurate/ignorant and less effective by the day. Plus, if you’re against the revolutionaries, you’re anti-revolution,… Read more »

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

The Disruptive Right? Disruptive has some social cache lately in regard to business and technology and implies innovation.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Rogeru
1 year ago

Honestly, fellas, Dissident sounds right to my ears.
Good tries, though.

Our Dissidents versus their Resistance. We live in weird times.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

Hume: Still trying to find a use for that tricorn hat you bought for the Sarah Palin rally?

John Hume
John Hume
Reply to  Educated.Redneck
1 year ago

Gotta get my money’s worth, no regrets

DLS
DLS
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

That’s pretty badass, but might be too easily associated with violence a little too early. How about we do a bold 180 and reclaim “liberal”? It used to be a great anti-authoritarian label, until the marxists changed its meaning.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

How about the Rebel Right?

dindu nuffin
dindu nuffin
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

The opposite of dissident is what?

NPC. The meme’s effectiveness was why Twitter came down so hard on it.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  dindu nuffin
1 year ago

The memoryholing of “NPC” is a lesson. We are dealing with people who have been programmed what to think, and the programmers can plug in any term or name and trash it. Most people do not think rationally, but emotionally, and follow the cultural meme implants placed into their brains by the powers that be. The “evolution” idea has merit, but do not underestimate the PTB’s ability to trash that one, too. Our movement is better off without a name. We know what we are about. In fact, lacking a name makes us harder to hit. It may also be… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

If we’re better off without a name – why not just refer to ourselves as the Faceless Men? “Followers of Him of Many Faces consider death to be part of the natural order of things and a merciful end to suffering.” ” The guild’s House of Black and White in Braavos has a large sanctuary that contains a pool of black water, idols of many death gods and altars with candles, and small alcoves along the walls that contain stone beds. Some visiting worshippers light candles to their god, then drink from the pool using a stone cup, then go… Read more »

dindu nuffin
dindu nuffin
Reply to  Calsdad
1 year ago

The Death Panel had some pretty funny takes on GoT last night ( https://therightstuff.biz/2019/04/22/tds433-the-wolf-of-brutalism/ )

60 – 90 min. in or so I think.

Stephen Wordsworth
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

Maybe Preservers, Preservers of the West? The opposite of preservers are destroyers. We want to preserve all the things that have made the West great.

Defenders, Defenders of the West. That makes our opposition the attackers. They certainly have done a lot of attacking and destroying of the West.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Stephen Wordsworth
1 year ago

Sounds like conservatives.

A-Bax
A-Bax
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

Opposite of dissident would be “conformist”. Heartiste has used this in many of his posts. (The conformist suck-ups on the Left, etc.). This would be most effective against Boomer shitlibs as they have a self-conception of a brave-rebel who speaks truth to power on a motorcyle being persecuted by the Southern Man. (I.e., Easy Rider).

The conformist herd, the conformist NPC, the conformist hivemind. Something like that. Leftoids pride themselves on their belief in their own individuality and uniqueness. Hence the LGBTQWTFLOL…and so on. Shiving them with “conformist”-something would cut deep.

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

The opposite of dissident is compliant, complacent, a supplicant, the “unawakened” who goes along to get along without daring to question authority or speak truth to power. Someone who has no reason or no will to question the system, and no vision for improvement. A dissident is the David fighting Goliath, the sans cullotte storming the Bastille, the Phalangists fighting behind commie lines; the lone tianamen square student protestor who stands in front of the army tank. Get off your boomer hobby horse about “freedom.” Freedom is a vibrant wandering around malls throwing white children off of balconies to express… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

Like I said above.

We just start calling ourselves : The political movement that stands for shit that works.

The left can be called The Party of bad choices, or the holding pen for people who can’t acknowledge reality and good decisions.

Triff
Triff
Reply to  DLS
1 year ago

How about “Patriotic Constitutionalists”
Then, by definition, we would be “PC”

Issac
Issac
1 year ago

The problem with “dissident right,” is that nobody wants to self-identify as a dissident in the current year, with the permissive liberalism of the 20th century giving way to the overmind of censorship and ostracism (at-best) in the 21st. The second issue is that these people are not entirely on the right. Spencer is just a Wilsonian Progressive. Most of these people are likely on the left and authoratarian quadrant of the political compass. More than half would prefer to work within a political party (hence all the support for Trump in 2016) than be ideolgical dissidents. The only reason… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

You’ve referred to Spencer as a later-day David Duke several times, and the thing that stands out about that comparison is that both of them were legitimate White Advocates who got into bed with costume-wearing retards and pretty much destroyed themselves in so doing.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 year ago

I’m a fan of neither, but in their defence its hard to be choosy when trying to gather a public group for extremely non PC causes.

Issac
Issac
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Spencer may be any number of things, but he is representative of some non-trivial faction of the “dissident right,” and he is in no way ideologically similar to the paleocons. His imperium (cringe) shtick is very much Wilsonian and Progressive. In fact you would be hard pressed to find anything upon which he and Woodrow disagreed. And this is far from unique to Spencer and Wilson. If you make simple biological realism the litmus test, all political actors with some few exceptions from the 19th to mid 20th centuries become fair game for emulation and there are probably groups in… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Do you mean “paleocon” in an abstract sense? Richard Spencer shows no discernible connection to Christian tradition, or to the Anglo-American political tradition, or to concern for “limited government”. I believe he has stated that he has been centrally influenced by his study of Nietzsche, which becomes especially obvious with his call for a political unity of “good Europeans”, as opposed to strict nationalism. I have no idea how this aligns with THE paleocons.

Kodos
Kodos
1 year ago

“It is the nature of humans to attract to those with whom they share fundamental connections, which are rooted in biology.” — This is why mixed-race people notoriously have a hard time fitting in with either of their constituent groups. You are sitting at the “white table” at the cafeteria and some guy with caramel colored skin and hazel eyes tries to sit down. “Who is this guy?!” everyone thinks. Same thing happens when he tries to sit at the black table. We are told that such people are the future, and they will essentially play the role of cultural… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Kodos
1 year ago

I have come to thinking that, given the presence of mixed race relatives in my midst, that the bearers of those mixed race children turned out to be very cruel parents. Their own selfish interests created people who terminally “never fit in”, in any direction. I think it is no accident that many of the most angry “black” people have little black blood in them, and are the most lost of all.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago
TomA
TomA
Reply to  Kodos
1 year ago

None of us got to choose our parents. You must play the hand your are dealt in life regardless.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

It’s not the kids’ fault. The kids are great people, and I do all I can, very carefully, to not let them backslide into resentful attitudes. It is a constant task. I blame the parents for putting the kids into that permanent predicament.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

It is also instructive to watch firsthand how our dominant culture encourages people to believe that every last minor slight, or dimension of slight inequality, is trumpeted as the white man’s fault and an act of aggressive discrimination. Anyone with a brain in his head understands that the world functions in a messy way. To impute active discrimination to any small perceived setback is simply cruelly taking advantage of someone’s biological circumstances.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

Very observant wisdom, Dutch. And kind heart.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Kodos
1 year ago

Blame a man for what he can change, not for what he cannot change, so true.

The saddest man I ever saw was an aged, very tall black man in Georgia. He was quite light cream, but he had pure blond nappy hair and sky blue eyes.
His life must’ve been living hell.
The sadness was etched into his face.

Nathan
Nathan
Reply to  Kodos
1 year ago

Ed Dutton did an interesting video on mixed race people. It’s about a half hour: https://youtu.be/3s3U64VUYg4 I have a mixed race relative by marriage who said when she was a kid she just wanted to be White—if she was in a Black area she probably would have wished she were Black. I think she’s in a better place about it now, but you hear these stories a lot about mixed race people. I think the parents might just be selfish and not thinking of the consequences, but most have drunk the egalitarian Kool-Aid and don’t foresee the problems they’re creating… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Nathan
1 year ago

Neighbor kid – dad black, mom white – has told my wife that she doesn’t fit in with either whites or blacks. Her younger sister seems to be going hard to her black side, says she’d only date black guys. I suspect that she knows that she’ll never really fit in with whites and that white guys just don’t go for black girls, even half black unless they barely look black, i.e. defense mechanism. Probably not a bad idea. Then again, she lives in a very white area. Wait til she tries getting accepted by black women. No chance. My… Read more »

Oldgit
Oldgit
Reply to  Kodos
1 year ago

When the melting pot project is complete we’ll all be feeling much more comfortable.

Compsci
Compsci
1 year ago

Another very profound/powerful observation by Zman. This is why he’s first on my list for reading everyday. Now if he could only list the weather report for my area, I could drop my cable TV subscription. 😉

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Good lord, just get an HD antenna. You can still get the three big networks and their asinine morning news.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

You can get a jailbroken Fire Stick for about $50 and watch pretty much anything with it

S Bishop
S Bishop
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

I think you missed his nuance – it was not a technical problem.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Weather Radar app by NOAA.
One touch shows the whole country at once; another, list as many cities as you wish. No zip codes needed.

Cancel away! Now you don’t have watch the True Weather Detective Stories booswash.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Wait, you don’t have a smart phone, do you?
Ha! I don’t have a TV!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Yes, I have a smart phone. It is turned off and remains so, unless I grab it as an emergency device. To tell the truth, I’m afraid of using it. I must admit to having an entire family—wife included—that are completely addicted to smart phone connectivity. I consider this a personal embarrassment, but to keep the peace I am told to keep my mouth shut wrt such on family get togethers.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

DarkSky.net – Hyper Local weather. Cancel your cable!

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Propaganda is a tool in the war of social perception, and distorting labels can be an effective way of demonizing the opposition. On a larger scale, corruption of language is a devious way to infect and weaken a culture because it destroys social cohesion and trust. The Progressives (as instructed by Alinsky) are masters at this form of attack, and you cannot beat it with mere words of clarification. As in any form of disease, you must eliminate the infection. In the days of real hardship and existential threat, evolutionary fitness selection rid us of this type of disease. Now,… Read more »

The Babe
The Babe
Member
1 year ago

The rationality of the dissident right may make it unsuited for political conflict, which is not about the right answer, but the right weapon. I might even say the right story. People have to be made part of a story to be motivated. Unfortunately, the stories that motivate people don’t seem to require truth or rationality at all. Look at our opponents. I might put it this way: story wins the war, reality wins the peace. It’s the political equivalent of courtship vs. marriage. (That’s an important point for understanding the left, by the way: because they’ve got a war-story,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Babe
1 year ago

Excellent, Babe!
Heave ho, me laddies!

BaboonTycoon
BaboonTycoon
1 year ago

Dissident also has the reverse connotation of being a troublemaker, and in a sense it is ironic to call ourselves that since many of us are authoritarians who just so happen to dislike the current people with authority. We are the traditional right. The neocons are the subversives and invaders. None of them have any place on the right. Their blank slatism is currently sending the entire world on a socialist trajectory. If they are willingly blind to even the voting patterns that they need to recognize for their own self-preservation, they are at the very least accomplices to the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

While I think that the label Dissident Right works pretty well, it still has several problems. People may not want to be a dissident. It’s labels you as the Right, which many people associate with small government, anti-abortion and sort of religious, none of which grow out of being a race realist and two of which really put off a lot of women. Finally, the “dissident” portion doesn’t directly address or explain what you really believe, which is biological diversity. I humbly submit that my personal political label – while almost certainly isn’t a good title for a mass movement… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Citizen, your post makes me think it would be wise to tailor a label for your audience. Darwinist works very well in the situations you’ve described. But for a lot of Christians, it won’t be effective, since immediately they go to the thought that we’re descended from apes. I’ve been working on my conservative Christian neighbor for a few months now, and not having a lot of success. He doesn’t like the evolution/natural selection angle, although he does listen to me, so maybe it’s taking a while for the ideas to take hold. A big problem is he listens to… Read more »

Cerulean
Cerulean
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Wolf, some conservative churches make a distinction between microevolution, which they are willing to tolerate, and macroevolution, which they want nothing to do with. Microevolution talks about evolution within a given species, or portion of a species, as a result of selective pressures (natural or man-made) and other causes. Macroevolution pretty much asserts that all living things came from a common ancestor. Many — probably most — professional biologists don’t like this distinction. They see it all as part of the same fabric. But if your friend believes that plants and animals can be bred for certain traits, then he… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Cerulean
1 year ago

Thanks Cerulean, that’s a good distinction to know.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

List Cialdi’s six principles, please?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Here you go:

Reciprocity
Scarcity
Authority
Consistency
Liking
Consensus

Don’t know if it matters, but they work. Salesman use them all the time.

Members of the Dissident Right should read Cialdini’s book every quarter or so. People don’t make decisions based on facts and logic. Push their buttons!

There’s a nice video here.

https://www.influenceatwork.com/principles-of-persuasion/

Triff
Triff
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

RASCALs ..

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Triff
1 year ago

A mentor of mine once said that we’re all salesmen. Seems obvious, but most people don’t like to think of themselves like that. They’re wrong.

A lot of STEM guys disparage salesman, thinking they can do their job because they’re smart. They’re very wrong. (Btw, I’m not in sales, though, again, in a way, we’re all in sales.)

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

I re-read “Influence” annually. Unbelievably important book.

Rogeru
Rogeru
1 year ago

Does a name matter if we can’t promote it beyond our echo chambers? The media will call us what they will and corrupt any label we choose. I think there’s some merit to being an amorphous, unorganized entity as long as we’re anonymous;just a collection of loosely related web sites.

John Hume
John Hume
Reply to  Rogeru
1 year ago

Branding always matters, even if it’s just a term referring to an amorphous underground. Good branding is a shield, bad branding is a chink in the armor. No branding is like charging into the battlefield wearing your birthday suit.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  John Hume
1 year ago

The Butt Nekid Right!

Educated.Redneck
Educated.Redneck
Reply to  Rogeru
1 year ago

The lolbertarians already have the butt nekkid contingent covered.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Rogeru
1 year ago

Because there’s a lot of discussion going on beyond those echo chambers. Just as one engaged YouTube viewer who sought out that video is worth far more than some channel surfing viewer of a network show, so are our discussion here and in person.

The echo chambers are losing their influence, except with Boomers.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Rogeru
1 year ago

Don’t be so sure that we are not being heard outside of our echo chamber. I am detecting fragments of redpillishness seeping into the wider culture; certainly in Britain and Europe.

Dutch
Dutch
1 year ago

The starting point for what is being discussed today, is that the HBD argument underlying our take on reality is completely apples to oranges for the rest of the people we live with. They are trained and programmed to believe in the blank slate, and in the ability for culture and prodding to mold people into whatever someone wants them to be. We have our work cut out for us, because the powers that be well understand that biological reality completely blows up a couple of centuries of work in convincing people that they are lumps of clay to be… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Dutch
1 year ago

How I wish that Jefferson had never written that “all men are created equal.”

gwood
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Jefferson thought that gays should be castrated and lesbians have their noses cut off. What he meant by “equality” is rather different than the current usage.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  gwood
1 year ago

Jefferson would be appalled by how his words have been used, as am I.

Jim Haples
Jim Haples
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Citizen, you put a period after equal. It’s a phrase. I’m OK with the whole sentence.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jim Haples
1 year ago

So am I, but I cut off the sentence at that point because that’s what the Left (and Right) do. As Z-Man says, they don’t play fair.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jim Haples
1 year ago

Citizen is right. “All men are created equal” is the first thing out of every anti-racist’s mouth that I’ve ever talked to.

It’s a root code, a bad line of programming. Religion is self-programming, natural to social creatures.

A muslim will spout, “there is no coercion in Islam”, because they ignore the full verse as well.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

No coercion for your slaves: conversion is voluntary, so no blame to you if you kill, enslave, or sell them since they didn’t volunteer. Nice, huh? And since there’s only One God, Allah, YHWH, and Jesus must be the same, more root code, camouflage. “Why are you fighting against God?” The bad root code in Christianity is “there is but One God, he is the all-powerful Creator”- all the arguments stem from this; there must be a Plan, how to reach Him, why does He punish us, why create Hell, etc. The bad root code in Hindu-Bhuddism is “Desire causes… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 year ago

I think ‘American’ is a pretty good word to hang on to, especially since the other side seems increasingly willing to abandon it.

Wkathman
Wkathman
1 year ago

Progressivism is religion by a different name. As such, the proper terms for people like us are “heretics” and “blasphemers.” We should emphasize our dissent from and blasphemy against CultMarx dogma. One of the things our side does not do frequently enough is point out how superstitious our progressive rivals are. Abstractions such as racism, sexism, homophobia, and all the other dreaded isms and phobias do not exist in any objective sense. This is a simple argument to make … so why aren’t more people making it? We should also point out that progressive morality is rooted in nothing beyond… Read more »

Robert Lee
Robert Lee
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

I suggest the descriptive term “counterrevolutionary” to brand those who deny the American dream. I support the revolution.

Mencken Libertarian
Mencken Libertarian
1 year ago

It makes no difference what we call ourselves. We could call ourselves Gareebaflatters or Pimplepussies, it wouldn’t matter. What matters, as far as anyone we might wish to influence is concerned, is how the corporate media and their fans decide to characterize us. For example, they have decided that “White Nationalist” is synonymous with “White Supremacist”, and so to the average Joe, that’s what a White Nationalist is. We’re evil, vicious, dirty, rotten and nasty.

The corporate media is the problem; not the labels we choose.

SidVic
SidVic
Member
1 year ago

Besides avoiding taking on unnecessary baggage, i find myself largely unconcerned with the label. They have spent years and much treasure vilifying the national socialist. That battle is lost. Dissident right is ok. I like logostenarians. White advocacy works too. Our enemies are clever and they will work hard to discredit any label that is taken up. The morality of our position is easy. The delusions of the current order are making people miserable. Most blacks tend to be more spirited and less bookish that Asians. Women like babies and have a strong maternal streak. It’s OK. These ideologies like… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  SidVic
1 year ago

Beautiful. That’s what we stand for.
The right to be who you are.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

To accept biological reality, we have to accept that human beings of any race or culture are not hard wired for democracy beyond the local level. That’s just a fact. Mencken pointed it out repeatedly. So what we have today is a collection of inferiors (of any race) hiring smooth talking insiders to steal from the strong in society, which deeply resents it. This pattern gets more and more abusive until the strong get together and just take over the place, re-setting the natural balance. A critical mass of takers tipped the balance about 30 years ago. The real abuse… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

@JR
I hear you and agree which is why I advocate for building Communities so we can live amongst those who are working in the same direction we are and if it all falls apart we have a parallel society already in place…Not enough pain yet though for most to do anything like that…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Lineman, the idea is sound and I’m certain exists defacto in smallish, rural communities or religious communities/communes. My problem is that most of us are dispersed and pulling up roots and finding each other difficult.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Sometimes Brother roots have to travel to keep the tree healthy…If the area you are in is dry and no chance of rain then to keep alive you might have to pick up and move or think of something to bring the rain…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Defense against either attention, attack, or poverty.

So right, Lineman.
Our physical existence is the one thing, the only thing, that matters.

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Thanks Lineman. Good thinking. The story of my life. Jettisoned over 100 years of my people to leave California.

lorenzo
lorenzo
1 year ago

Maybe figure out what the goal is, then think of a nice-sounding name that expresses the idea.

It strikes me that “dissident” comes across as “against”, but against what? and for what?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  lorenzo
1 year ago

SidVic answers above.
JR Wirth adds, rightly, that some would be happier chasing gazelles.

To be for who you are, not what somebody sold you.
To be against lies or deception.

m@m.com
m@m.com
1 year ago

Zman I love your posting but sometimes it feels like you’re just trying to find a way, any way, out of the current direction of the west. Playing semantics with the “dissident right” vs “nationalist right” vs “alt right” is an exercise in finger waggling. The fact is that there are no institutions – education, media, government, corporations, the military (all upper brass are shitlibs) – that are right wing. There is also no current viable alternative from other countries in the world — the Soviet Union collapsed because the US capitalist model served as an alternative to the country’s… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  m@m.com
1 year ago

Actually we traded the real estate bubble for a sovereign debt bubble, and then got both, along with a student loan bubble (Liz Warren wants to cash that 1 trillion chip in), an auto bubble, a stock bubble, a corporate debt bubble (look out for that one) a reflating unsecured consumer debt bubble and an administration eyeballing Iran for a war…..what could possibly go wrong? The systems will fail so catastrophically that anything ungrounded will be swept away. We’ve seen this before in 1914 and 1790. It’s once again time. And we’ll have to live through it. The future will… Read more »

m@m.com
m@m.com
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

From our perspective the finalization of this process is a *good* thing, perhaps the only thing that can shake people from their stupor.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  m@m.com
1 year ago

I came to that conclusion as well awhile back.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

With so much to look forward to, thank gosh we don’t have a pension bubble

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  m@m.com
1 year ago

The Left’s control over society will weaken over time. They’re mostly idiots, and, more importantly, they’re fundamentally wrong. That will start to matter. Could the whole thing collapse? Sure. But we could be looking at a gradual decline, a decline that bit by bit offers opportunities for our people.

Now is the time to start preparing to take advantage of their opportunities when they arise.

m@m.com
m@m.com
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

This is the kind of response that I don’t think is helpful. Why do you assume the left’s control over society will weaken over time? They have dominated society since the start of this country without fail and I see no signs of that abating. Here, read this quote from 1895 on conservatism and liberalism from Robert Lewis Dabny and tell me something has actually changed since then: http://www.eccentricbliss.com/2017/12/the-shadow-of-radicalism/

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  m@m.com
1 year ago

Because the demographics are changing. The Left is no longer the Jew/New England WASP coalition. They are becoming the black/brown/Asian/Jew/Muslim/Harpy White coalition. They won’t have the troops to man the posts. Of course, that also probably means that they’re going to get more brutal.

Look, none of know the future. And to a degree, it doesn’t matter. Our course is the same. Start creating networks of trusted people. That works whatever may come.

Mencken Libertarian
Mencken Libertarian
1 year ago

It makes no difference what we call ourselves. We could call ourselves Gareebaflatters or Pimplepussies; it makes no difference. What matters, as far as anyone we might wish to influence is concerned, is how the corporate media and their fans decide to characterize us. For example, they have decided that “White Nationalist” is synonymous with “White Supremicist”, so that’s what we are in the public’s mind. As we get deplatformed the problem only gets worse. We need to find a way to deplatform them.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
1 year ago

Z Man;
You’ve said yourself that the terms Left and Right have outlived their usefulness. So why spend energy and time debating what kind of ____ Right is the best branding.

You said tribalism will increasingly be the rule. In pre-Urban societies, where most of the human generations were passed, the name any tribe gave themselves in their own language was something inclusive like, ‘the family’, ‘the real people’ or ‘the sons of _______ [some mythical ancestor or place]. A modern example would be ‘la cosa nostra’, i.e. ‘our thing’.

So how about Sons of the West or some such_?

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Al from da Nort
1 year ago

If you must label it, “our thing” works for me. Then someone has to ask what our “thing” is, and you get an opening. Also very hard to go up against, because it is so nebulous.

But keep in mind something as anodyne as “tea party“ got spindled and mutilated.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Al from da Nort
1 year ago

“Sons of the West” sounds like a Netflix show.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  King Tut
1 year ago

But I’m going to use “you Sons of…” Aztecs, Africa, the Spanish Empire, El Cid, Byzantium, the Ummah, whatever, and watch them light up.

And light up they do!
Talked to a Khan, a Son of Ghengis today. Thanks Al!

Plus, Our Thing definitely works for me, for the same reason it worked for them (and for my aunt Tata).

joshinca
joshinca
Reply to  Al from da Nort
1 year ago

Freemen

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  joshinca
1 year ago

Another plus! Sounds like Saxon

John Gritt
John Gritt
1 year ago

Dissident Right is another dopey moniker. Most people fall between 90 and 109 on the IQ spectrum. Dissident is a big Latin word. It is too much for them to handle. Dissident means disagreeing, at variance with. So what is a Dissident Right? Is it disagreeing with the Belt Way “right” of the National Review? Is it a disagreeing with leftist socialist? Communists? Anything named as [whatever] Right falls into the hands of leftists as such claptrap labelling comes from radical politics of the French Revolution. The bottom line is this: Political movements are won by getting action from most… Read more »

m@m.com
m@m.com
Reply to  John Gritt
1 year ago

Good comment. Need to keep Zman grounded in reality (which is hard to do given how bleak things are – I understand the emotional need for hope).

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  John Gritt
1 year ago

Trump’s “America First” was pretty good, not that he’s done much with it.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

“America First,” as I’m sure many know, has a long history of being used to keep the USA out of foreign wars. God bless Charles Limburgh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  John Gritt
1 year ago

Anti-Stupids, maybe?

Better yet, call us The Purge.
Big, scary, and sexy.

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  John Gritt
1 year ago

Excellent observation. Our side tends to get excessively abstract to the point of being irrelevant. We got to stay grounded and practical.

Calsdad
Calsdad
1 year ago

Instead of playing around with “what do we call ourselves” ? Alt-right, traditional right, nationalist right, etc………..

Why not just start calling ourselves : “The side with shit that works” , and start calling the lefties ” the side with shit that doesn’t work – and that is trying harder ever day to make goddam sure NOTHING works”.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Calsdad
1 year ago

Valuing things that work is an inherently white trait.

Lance E
Member
1 year ago

Huh? Reactionaries have been acknowledging and discussing HBD since long before the Nazi larpers and assorted edgelords made it trendy. If your entire framework is just HBD, then you’re going to lose. HBD is just an observation, like credit inflation or secular cycles. It’s not a coherent political philosophy and doesn’t provide any kind of schelling point. The left’s obsession with blank-slatism isn’t a real principle, it’s just a convenient way to remain in power. Even if you could thoroughly discredit it in the eyes of the public (and this is already conceding the legitimacy of demotism), they’d just change… Read more »

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  Lance E
1 year ago

Spot on. Everything the Left supports is just about obtaining power and nothing more

Cerulean
Cerulean
1 year ago

Kind of interesting to me … a list from Wikipedia of the groups Soros either founded or supports:

Open Society Foundations,
New America,
Black Lives Matter,
Best for Britain,
European Movement UK,
Scientists for EU,
Media Matters for America,
Center for Public Integrity,
Human Rights Watch,
Priorities USA Action,
American Bridge 21st Century,
America Votes,
Millennium Promise.

Not too much indication of what they actually do or believe.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Cerulean
1 year ago

This might sound crazy, but if we had one billionaire on our side, we could win. If someone with deep pockets started openly white versions of the ADL, think tanks, lobbies and community organizations, we’d roll. Sure, they’d be be attacked, but now we’d be able to fight back and even go on the offensive. We’d have a home base. That’s all we need. I know that people – especially rich people – love the media’s approval, but you’d think that the opportunity to change the word, to save your people would be tempting. I mean, who wouldn’t want the… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

I concur and would do just what you said if I had that kind of wealth…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Lineman
1 year ago

Realize that I sound a bit like a kid wishing their glass doorknob was a diamond. However, it remains true that for what some of these rich guys donate to their favorite college football team in hopes of winning a conference championship, they could change the world and be honored for hundreds of years by their people.

It’s right there for the taking.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

We absolutely would, which is why that billionaire would be RICO’d or just straight-up murdered immediately.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 year ago

I know it sounds odd, but I truly believe that we’re so close. Just a few business owners who will hire those fired by the Progs, just a few white ADL organizations, just a few white lobbies, just a few white community groups and we win. We’ve seen over and over with Muslims and other groups that when a group hold firm and tight, the Progs fall apart. They have nothing. Sue us, fuck you, we’ll sue back. Fire us, fuck you, we’ll hire that guy and go after your guys. Give money to politicians, fuck you, we’ll give money… Read more »

Outis
Outis
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

There are some on our side, but they aren’t willing to spend their dollars and euros like Soros. It’s more than a matter of saying they are with us, but willing to invest in us.

Peter Thiel for example.

bilejones
Member
1 year ago
Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  bilejones
1 year ago

After reading that, we definitely should become The Purge

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
1 year ago

The Dissident Right will get better at winning when they heed Mama Prosper’s words “Look A.B. the problem with these guys is that all they all know what they don’t want but they don’t know what the do want.” The ability to articulate ideas and values people can relate too in a fun way is sorely lacking on the dissident right.” I was born right wing I think and was Limbaugh Republican at like 17 which is about as liberal as I ever was but most people aren’t like that and being able to say “here is what we want… Read more »

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  A.B Prosper
1 year ago

Good ideas for a DR platform – which BTW is sorely needed. Just trying to sell white normies on HBD alone is not a solution, It’s a non-starter.

Make it simple is the way to go. Pamphlets, shot videos, booklets explaining key parts of the platform. Call it “Common Sense for the 21st Century”.

Rick
Rick
1 year ago

How the fuck do i subscribe to this page for email updates? I looked everywhere there is no link to get posts delivered direct to my inbox, or am I missing something?

Epaminondas
Member
1 year ago

This is the most important article to appear on this blog. Ever.

The girl with far-away eyes
The girl with far-away eyes
1 year ago

Nope. Not catchy enough. Plus, it means nothing to ordinary people. Maybe if you were actually listening to Ronald Reagan’s speeches at the time, “dissident” might have some purchase on you. But that’s not most people. Plus: you think “dissident” will catch the left in a trap, but how many modern maleducated SJWs even know what the word means? And of those who can at least use it in conversation, how many will have the same associations with it as you do? They don’t remember the Cold War. And even if they are old enough to remember it, and can… Read more »

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

Whites across the planet have altered (overwhelmingly, degenerated) in thinking and behavior massively over the course of just the last 100 years. To attribute all of this to changes in biology I find extremely difficult to believe. Culture, philosophy, politics, geopolitics, economics, et al matter, and matter TREMENDOUSLY. I’m also skeptical that the reigning elite will allow a small subset of scientists to undermine the egalitarian faith. There is already overwhelming evidence for cognitive differences between the races and sexes, all of which have made hardly a dent in overturning the reigning values that are destroying us. The overwhelming majority… Read more »

Theforgottenman
Theforgottenman
1 year ago

Another great, thought-provoking article Z! Maybe a future movement can be rooted in a combination thereof of the following… Morality: Logos (As coined/defined by E. Michael Jones) Intellectuality: Biological Realism Politicality: Dissident Right In defining this Logos based ‘movement’, an OB commenter posted the following profound quote: Follow the Light, never the Light-Bearer Trust in Truth, never the Messenger Honor the Creator, Never the Architect Maybe someone recently pissed in the Kool-Aid I am now drinking, but that is some pretty powerful stuff there – that 3-line quote alone really encapsulates a direct contrast to all that is wrong with… Read more »

John_Pate
Member
1 year ago

I disagree, it’s so very much simpler: it’s all about the gibs. The first rule of counter-insurgency is provide more gibs than the other side. That’s reason commies will never be staked through the heart: the vast majority of people, of whatever race, creed, or colour, are fit only to be slaves. So long as the rice bowl is full and the children aren’t crying they’ll bend over and lick the boots of anyone.
How many warriors capable of leading do you know?

Sextus
Sextus
1 year ago

Oh shit, I think a few days ago you black-pilled me, Z-Man, when you sent me down the Ed Dutton “At Our Wit’s End” rabbit hole. Here I was worried about low IQ third worlder vibrant “migrants” polluting white genius through immigration, genocide and miscegenation, while all along the modern western post-industrial enlightenment welfare state unwittingly engineered the seeds of its own destruction by creating a world where the least of us were for the first time allowed (encouraged through social welfare programs?) to reproduce while the talented 10% were encouraged to flourish and amuse ourselves in every way except… Read more »

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

You write that Nietzsche is “traditional Right” and outside of the Dissident Right, and that the Dissident Right is a “radical starting point” that “cannot coexist with the traditional Right”. Where does this leave a thorough-going Nietzschean like Jonathan Bowden, who you’ve promoted on gab? Where do thinkers like Spengler, Schmitt, Evola, and de Benoist stand? What about Greg Johnson? I thought Dissident Right was simply a bland catch-all, but it sounds like you wish to restrict it to pure biological reductionism, and against those “steeped in tradition and philosophy”, even if these outsiders also appreciate the importance of biology.… Read more »

John Pate
Member
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

Well, if you haven’t realised the traditional right is flogging a dead horse you really need to think again… that’s not to endorse Z’s theories necessarily but at least he’s not flogging that dead horse.

slumlord
slumlord
1 year ago

The dissident right is not a reaction to radicalism. It is a promotion of biological reality. It offers an alternative foundation for political philosophy. I’d go a bit further than that and argue that Truth–(with all its philosophical implications)–is the foundation of the Right. Just confining it to biological reality is not enough. And then we strike metaphysics. How you deal with truth depends on what your view of the view of the world is. An atheist deals with the subject of racial reality in a totally different way to that of a Christian. Spencer is closer to the Marxists… Read more »

Tim Keable
Tim Keable
Member
1 year ago

Agree that a positive label is key to distancing from existing groups and encouraging new followers. Since the word “Right” itself is tainted I’d avoid it. My suggestion: A New Renaissance. Add party if you must, but it implies a positive, enlightened break from the past.