It is natural for dissidents, collectively and individually, to decry their exclusion from the institutions of society. Collectively, their exclusion means the systematic exclusion of their ideas and their critiques of the prevailing orthodoxy. At the individual level, it means exclusion from the pleasures and benefits of their career. There’s also the fact that human beings are social animals. Exclusion, especially systematic exclusion, is felt as a personal rejection and that hurts even the toughest person.
There is, of course, the unfairness of it all. The people in charge of the institutions rely on purges and exclusion to protect their interests. There is the assumption that they rely on their institutional power to combat their enemies, because they lack the intellectual power to win a fair fight. They are petty men, who would rather persist in their error than face correction, so they use their power over the institutions to purge those who will challenge them and point out their error.
The natural temptation, therefore, is for dissidents to seek access to the institutions, in order to make their case. After all, if they can just get on the stage and make their points, so the theory goes, the superiority of their claims will win over the crowd and win them status. This is the mentality of the reformer, who continues to have a love and appreciation for the institution from which he has been purged. His complaint is largely personal, as he does not oppose the institution, just the people in it.
This has always been the emphasis of the paleocons. They are the result of the neocons gaining control of the conservative institutions. Those neocons then set about purging anyone who opposed their agenda. The paleos came to be more defined by their expulsion than by their ideas. They criticize the men in the institutions, rather than the institutions themselves. Their adversaries made the fight personal, and the paleocons were willing to take it personally. They still do.
That is the trap the modern dissident must avoid. Majorities will always place trust in institutions, as those institutions, if not purpose built, have been adapted to maintain their majority status. Man is a social animal and expects his participation in society to have benefits. Similarly, his society expects benefits from his inclusion. In a social order built around institutions, the natural dynamic will be to seek the benefits of those institutions, while maintaining those institutions.
The exile, in contrast, denied access to the institutions, will place his trust in ideas. His social sphere should evolve around shared ideas. That normal social dynamic will define the exile by his contribution to the intellectual life of his social group. The value he gains from it will be the refining and expansion of the ideas he shares with his fellow dissidents. For the proper dissident, exile provides the environment for a dynamic and creative intellectual life that exists outside of the institutions.
The best example of this is the Protestant reformers we call the Puritans, who eventually settled in North America. They began as reformers of the English church, but eventually ended up as exiles. They were not only exiled from the church, but from English society and eventually their country. As a result, Puritanism was able to develop into a fully formed and independent set of religious and social beliefs. Puritanism probably could not have survived if not for the exile of its adherents.
The birth of European conservatism is another example of how exile creates the dynamics for a new intellectual framework. The aristocrats who fled the French Revolution, found themselves as strangers in foreign lands. In exile, they first waited for restoration, but then moved beyond that to creating an authentic alternative to the radicalism of the Jacobins. The conservatism of Joseph de Maistre remains an authentic alternative to radicalism, because it evolved outside of it.
That is an important thing for modern dissents to grasp. The conservatism of Bill Buckley was always a Burkean response to American radicalism. That is, a response that evolved within the same institutions as the radicals. Burke did not develop his ideas as an outsider, but as an insider. Similarly, the American Right in the last century evolved in the elite institutions, as a traveling partner with the radicalism that developed after the Second World War. Left and Right were co-dependent.
This is the difference between the dissident and the dispossessed. The former not only accepts his outsider status, but relishes it. Free from the institutions, he can develop his own mental framework as a genuine alternative to the prevailing orthodoxy. The dissident sees his expulsion as the break, the vital break, from the historical and intellectual timeline. Rather than being carried forward by the momentum of his inheritance, he creates a new vision to replace the old.
The dispossessed, in contrast, are haunted by their expulsion. Who they are is defined by their loss of institutional support. They are the bitter ex-wife or the disgruntled former employee. They stand outside, perhaps shouting criticisms, as their identity is an entirely negative one. They relish every slight. They celebrate being criticized by those inside, because that’s who they are. They are people purged from that which had given them purpose and meaning. They are men without a polis and nothing more.
If dissidents are going to have a role in what comes next, it must be as the creators of something independent and indifferent to the prevailing orthodoxy. Communities of ideas, operating outside of the institutions, are the greatest threat to those institutions, because they cannot be co-opted and they cannot be easily attacked. Like the Puritans, the dissident eventually has to accept that what comes next for him is out in the wilderness, away from the existing order and independent of it.
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Part of being a dissident for me is that I have no interest in wining over the existing institutions as they are utterly corrupt and irredeemable. Their only purpose at this point is as an example of what to avoid replicating in the future.
Say what you will about Vox Day (and I’ve said some things), but he’s been pushing this exact logic and, much more importantly, creating alternatives for the past decade or so. Create your own community and create your own institutions, however small or large, to serve that community. A lot of us here would probably feel more comfortable having a beer with Steve Sailer than Vox Day, but, if we’re being honest, Vox is the dissident while Sailer seems to have fallen into the roll of dispossessed. Steve started as a dissident, bravely writing a blog instead of bowing down… Read more »
Agree on both. Vox would likely annoy me to death in person but I respect his usefulness, for all his divisive “16 points” drama. Sailer to me is one of Z’s paleocons, generationally unable to break with sacred Process and muh Rule of Law and thus safely pigeonholed by Big Other into the “harmless crank” role of an Intellectual Dark Web safety valve for steam that otherwise drives all trains to DisRight Station.
Sailer feels like he’s always trying to convince David Brooks to tell his fellow Jews to lay off us white gentiles because it’s both better for the country and better for the Jews. What Sailer doesn’t seem to get is 1) it’s been 20 years and that hasn’t worked yet so it’s probably never going to work and 2) Brooks and his generation of Jews and their WASP sidekicks are quickly getting replaced by people who don’t believe in listening to or debating the white devil. Sailer and his commentators are always trying to figure why so and so is… Read more »
With some years reading Vox Day’s blog, I’ve concluded he is neither dissident nor disaffected. He’s a fifth columnist who wants to see it all burn, then be the last man standing as he says, “See, I was right.”
Maybe, but he’s the only one that I’ve seen actually building alternative platforms and entertainment (which all communities need). He’s getting it done in the real world, which can’t be denied. In a lot of ways, the Z-Crew is around a decade or so behind him. I think that a lot of us have some issues with Vox and wouldn’t want to be a part of his particular community, but you can’t deny what he’s done and is doing. Again, I’m a Sailer guy in a lot of ways, but Sailer is just snickering at the bully behind his back,… Read more »
Before we attack Tiny Duck for his gloatpost, let’s step back a moment and remember a few things: 1) These are the words of someone who is winning and knows it 2) We should take them at their word for what they plan to do to us when their victory is final. We aren’t going to beat them; the only way they lose is when they collapse on their own. We aren’t going to survive by running off into the countryside where they will hunt us down, Ruby Ridge style. Shelter in place. Blend in. No one talks about Fight… Read more »
There’s a lot that you can do to get a garden ready before spring.
Yes. Be the Grey Man.
It is kind of fun as well as being a safer way to live.
We can do both. There are plenty of shitlords out here in the countryside who aren’t being “hunted down,” in large part because this lifestyle teaches you how to shelter in place, blend in and wait for better conditions. We even have internet out here. Shitposting from the side of a mountain right now.
Exactly.
This is what they think, and what the end result will be.
Don’t be afraid to let people know this. Most whites are scared to even consider this eventuality. These kinds of thoughts can be a huge redpill to whites, when we point out that, yeah actually all the 3rd worlders do hate you and want you dead.
Regardless of “muh colonialism”. Do you want to live, or do you want to die? Pretty easy choice (for me, at least).
1. Build our own platforms, institutions, and organizations.
2. Discredit the existing ones.
3. Reduce the amount of money you spend on entities that hate you.
4. I know it is fantasy for now, but can you imagine what would happen if white men went on strike for a week? Everything would shut down.
You write, ” I know it is fantasy for now …” But remember, Gillette lost billions in a financial quarter, largely because they sassed me and my brothers.
Your Item 3 can be remarkably powerful.
I have a list of a-hole corporations I will not do business with. You should, too. Sometimes while shopping I’ll do without if the only thing available is something from a banned corporation. One thing you should do right now is avoid franchise restaurants. A few are acceptable, most are PC cowards.
Z brings home a harsh reality. Red-pilling means the death and loss of a loved one – America. You see all the stages of grief in online comments – denial (Breitbarts), anger (Fedposters), bargaining (Boomerposting), depression (black-pillers) and acceptance (dissidents). Dissidence is a lifestyle of itself and requires first and foremost a willingness to subject yourself to the same corrosive process of deconstruction our enemies have used to wreck our culture. The Cultural Marxists bet that our collective moral and cultural resolve couldn’t withstand challenge from within and they were right. They strained the system at the cracks in its… Read more »
The black-pillers are the interesting group, to me at least. I’ve been there. They’re black pilled because they still can’t view a world different from their past. They look at the country and say, “We’ll never get back our institutions, our culture, our people.” And they’re right, so they’re depressed. Once you accept that the old country is gone, but that we can build something new, you lose the black pill. But you have to let go first, and that’s hard. I look to the future, and I see small groups forming. Quiet attempts at building new networks and infrastructure.… Read more »
Once you accept that the old country is gone, but that we can build something new, you lose the black pill. In fact, I’m half-convinced that the Mohammadan invasion of Europe is a good thing. Our culture is rotting from within, but an infusion of existential enemies might just be what the patient needs, a stimulation of the tribal immune system. The recent elections in German states Sachsen and Brandenburg turned out a landslide victory for the Alternativ für Deutschland in the youngest age bracket. Similar things are happening in Scandinavia, where the Commies mysteriously have stopped their yammering about… Read more »
If you accept that the old country is gone, and somehow it survives in some sort of meaningful fashion, that becomes a huge win. But don’t count on it or bet on it. If it happens, it is an unexpected gift.
Well, I think the old country disappeared before the modern Moslem invasion of Europe even started – you could argue that it disappeared in 1914.
Nations – tribes – die, of course, but they’re a lot more resilient than you might think. The Basques have survived the Carthaginians, the Romans, the Visigoths, the Almohadans, the Franks, the Aragonese and the Castilians. They’re not the same Basques today as those ancestors who fought the Mohammadans, but they certainly exist in a meaningful fashion.
WWI is not studied enough. I’m very very old Scot-Scots/Irish with some 1629 Puritan—we carved the country out of the howling wilderness and fought every war starting with King Philips. We’re still here and we’ve kept our identity all that time. We ain’t dead yet. Not by a long shot.
WWI was the big turning point. Europe started to lose its self-confidence in that war. WWII shattered it.
That said, the United States didn’t suffer in those war, and, yet, we allowed all of this. WWI and WWII were just part of a larger trend, but they definitely accelerated it.
What you describe will take a century. We don’t have that sort of luxury let alone the organizational and intellectual talent to pull off such a effort mass re-engineering of the white race.
This is why it’s hard to take the DR seriously. Grandiose notions worthy of a L Ron Hubbard sci-fi novel.
If you can’t think 100 years+ ahead, I’m not interested in being part of your “we.” If you have such an enormous disconnect with the dissident Right, why are you spending so much time commenting on this site? If I’m wrong, please share your next-10-years plan for winning. As for “re-engineering” the white race, it’s more a matter of remembering how to make everyone stop “de-engineering” us. Once again. what is your point in commenting here if your believe what you say? If “we” shouldn’t listen to us here, who should “we” listen to and what better ideas do they… Read more »
@Exile
Amen my Brother…Let me know when you’re in my AO and I will buy you a steak and a beer…
What are the final aims of a right leaning dissident movement? The next stage of American rule is going to be some form of dictatorial or totalitarian despotism. We are easing into that now. Major upheavals not foreseen could maybe make room for some movement that is ready to assert itself. It just won’t have the support of the masses even those that are capable of thinking politically.
Those brown hordes are not coming across in great numbers for nothing. There is a use for them, as we know.
To raise the flag of destiny as black as the wing of a raven. Change it not nor raise another until we have a folkish haven.
When we have a land of our own, then on that holy ground, we’ll plant our flag of raven black upon a sacred mound.
False flag, this one, methinks.
No, I just like some of Saga’s work.
The final aim is to live apart from whatever the Empire becomes. We don’t need the support of their masses, we need the support of our masses. For those already resigned to “Empire wins, too many Browns” there’s no point in asking questions or commenting. We’re not going to be able to war with them, we’re not going to be able to out-vote them. The only choice is a peaceful, gradual separation.
And the Puritans exacted their revenge when the English Civil War exploded. Swarms of them left New England for Old England to fill the ranks of Cromwell’s New Model Army. When their theocratic republic failed, they made sure to try again in America in the 1860s to expiate the sins of the Cavaliers descendants they so despised.
I thought they all left England, after Cromwell died? Over to Holland to stock up on porn, then straight to Mass.
I am definitely dispossessed. The liberal progs of my family have no use for me, and I don’t think I have much to offer the faster, cooler kids of the new dissident right. You guys think faster and on levels I can’t even see. If I am indeed an old fossil, to be tossed aside by warring new empires on the rise… I am just peachy with it. My liver is petrified and soon all my other parts will follow suit! I will have no place in shaping what is to come, all I can do is throw what’s left… Read more »
John, way too black pill here. No one knows how exactly events will unfold and therefore what part one may play in those events. If nothing else, as Z-man points out, there may very well be a time where people get together in the face of great disruption and fear to discuss such events. You may very well be the one in that group with knowledge and understanding to consult with those people. That knowledge and understanding built upon your efforts here and elsewhere. I once was foreman on a lengthy empaneled grand jury (several months). One of the “fill-in”… Read more »
Remember the story of Yertle the Turtle, who upset an entire stack of turtles simply by burping!
As another commentator has said, please don’t be so black pill and stop drinking too much, for heaven’s sake! Here’s a poem that I hope will cheer you up. Say not the struggle naught availeth, The labour and the wounds are vain, The enemy faints not, nor faileth, And as things have been they remain. If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars; It may be, in yon smoke conceal’d, Your comrades chase e’en now the fliers, And, but for you, possess the field. For while the tired waves, vainly breaking, Seem here no painful inch to gain, Far back,… Read more »
Cheer up there JS! One constant in history is the role of an unpredictable event that changes the course of history. The winners are whoever copes with the “out of the blue” event. Our “elite” can no longer cope with the First Amendment – they’re literally breaking down in the presence of mere words.
Get 10,000 decals made that say “It’s OK To Be White.” Put them in every public space you can without getting arrested.
Meanwhile, if you have real property, will it to someone who is doing something.
The main problem is accepting that what we’ve been kicked out of is “representative government.” Our critique seems to be, not that RG is a good idea staffed with bad people; it’s that the very IDEA of representative government is a failure. We don’t acknowledge the legitimacy of any government not based on the consent of the governed, but since the vast majority of “the governed” are Marching Morons… put as simply as I can, we need to be able to answer the following question: “By what right do I rule over you, or you over me?” Because there’s going… Read more »
Look to our ancestors for some clues. Clan leaders in a household-patronage system ala the Romans, Celts & Teutons. Social/political elite status stems from heading a family and meeting its social obligations, and military/police service. Those who vote are the ones who pay and farm and fight, ala the Greeks. The details can be worked out in many ways, but putting that kind of skin back in the leadership game is the basic idea, and it’s a way of selecting from a pool of leaders who have already demonstrated their ability to care for and manage a large group of… Read more »
Exile: I’ve been reading a dystopian fiction book by Ash Donaldson (the Counter Currents’ writer of “Be All You Can Be,”) and he has some well thought out ideas for how to rebuild a strong, self confident society from the ground up. For others who are Christians (as I am) be forewarned; he is a critic of Christianity and a proponent of Asatru. Don’t get butt hurt and throw out the baby with the bath water. He has really given thought to how to mold men and train women as a community endeavour, and is worth reading
You can probably tell from my other comments that I’m perfectly OK with pagans and Christians alike as long as neither one starts the “one true faith, your God(s) are false” stuff. Pagans have to face that Christians are the vast majority of religious Whites out there, Christians have to accept that we’re never going to be a movement that includes “mankind” regardless of what their faith says, and both have to recognize that the movement comes first, including respecting rules against proselytizing and in-fighting b/c muh True God(s). As for atheists, the same applies – we can’t waste time… Read more »
Exile,
You know where I stand on faith. As far as paganism goes… I lament the for their souls and pray for their redemption. But as far as I am concerned they wear the same uniform as I do and if they our for Our People then they are My People. I can pray for them while I stand shoulder to shoulder.
Amen to the both of you… Wouldn’t mind living next to either one of you…
@Exile
Hear! Hear!
I think a lot of folks here promoting a dictatorship are little more than dogs looking for a new master and who imbibed too much bath salts, Any man who who cedes his autonomy and bends his knee to some tyrant deserves a bullet in the skull. For that is not a man but a mewing slave. Any governing system works if it is administered by Angels. Problem is we aren’t Angels. We’re flawed men. Our system worked as well as can be expected until the voting demographics changed. And white males sold their ballsacks for a paycheck. Indeed a… Read more »
Dear Benny
We can still “cut the mustard” , our team has not played yet.
We are the New England Patriots watching from the stands at this point.
What we see on the field is a bunch of feminists, cucky white men, and Jews playing the game.
You ain’t played us yet my friend.
We play to win.
Excellent image. Amen.
No we don’t. The other side wants power at all cost. They will do anything to get it including murdering your children and their beds. Without the single-minded focus on power, which I doubt anyone in this thread has because only truely wretched people have that as their primary motivation, we lose. We would lose consistently throughout history if it weren’t for thucydides imponderables or Rumsfelds unknown unknowns. So keep your head down and keep your soul in order because they will come. Be ready.
The panopticon and its data collection on each of us is probably so much greater and granular than anyone is letting on. But take a minute and think about how data works, versus boots on the ground. All it takes is for the data to be a bit off, relative to the real world, for you to be invisible to the panopticon. Plan accordingly. If the GPS says you are “there”, and you are fifty feet away and undetected in the database, you are a ghost to them. That’s the difference between dataspace and meatspace.
“Without the single-minded focus on power, which I doubt anyone in this thread has because only truly wretched people have that as their primary motivation, we lose.” Don’t sell those of us who lean Nietzschean short. We’re trying, lol. I remember, years ago, reading historian Warren Carroll’s little book on the Spanish Civil War, ‘The Last Crusade’. Carroll was a serious Catholic, but not a traditionalist. I remember him admitting to the importance the Falangists played in the victory of the Right in the Spanish Civil War. They had provided much hard, ruthless, and daring hitting, and were central in… Read more »
I want to clarify that the central character of Bill Hopkins’ novel ‘The Divine and the Decay’, Plowart, is not simply self-absorbed. He wants to assume leadership of Britain in order to take its people to greater heights, to rejuvenate and re-energize them to creative achievement, to self-overcoming. I’m reminded of the phrase Jack Donovan likes to repeat, “start the world.”
The challenge of course being the ability to remain fully independent of the institutions. You have to expect the institutions to use the courts to force you to associate with people you do not want in your group. You have to expect people to “play along” to get inside and then try to destroy the group from within…that which is not explicitly conservative will eventually become liberal. While we often think of platforms and physical locations – the internet for the former, the “new world” Puritans for the latter – one of the best ways to be free from institutions… Read more »
Amen Brother…I would also add shut off the internet for a bit every week also and get into meatspace… Meeting lots of good people that think like we do just don’t get online much…
There are already people inside the institutions thinking bad thoughts. There are more people on the inside than you might think. What is most dangerous is people inside the institutions working with people outside the institutions to subvert them. Young men under 25 who are already in or adjacent to this thing should enlist in the armed services and then enter the bureaucracy, preferably out in the provinces, but in the heart of the thing if necessary. Knowing how things actually work – or fail to – is important. This includes bureaucracy. If you think there won’t be bureaucracy because… Read more »
I’m torn. The military offers some of the greatest benefits to someone looking to settle down and have six kids. But it’s so pozzed now.
True, but the skills learned and knowledge obtained will go a long way to leading the normies should the need arise and violence breaks out.
Check out this piece – https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/08/be-all-you-can-be/ – I’d say it’s good for a young guy to do an enlistment or two, but as a career, it’s probably on the downside. The lack of martial ethos and instruction is a void we’re going to have to fill and veterans will be the natural instructors. We’ll hear a lot of (((kvetching))) about McVeigh but martial skills are too valuable to leave aside for optics. Call it advanced hunting and survival skills or something, but don’t give them our guns and don’t stop teaching White children how to survive and defend themselves. Look… Read more »
The problem with these perspectives is, we are not ruled by men with contrary ideas. We are ruled by Jews, plain and simple. And Jews do not have what we would call “ideas,” their ideology simply consists of, “Yes, we looted your entire country, and we’re never giving it back. And if you try to take it back, we will crush you using proxies.” That’s pretty much it. They disguise their never-ending war against White Christendom in baloney ideas, but it’s all a cloak to conceal pure, naked aggression and plunder. Desegregation, civil rights, “racial justice”, these were all a… Read more »
Easy on the black pills, goy. More of us are Noticing. Putin’s even slowly clawing Russia back from the (((oligarchs))). They won this with Culture War, we win it back the same way. Doomposting and treating the Jews like they are supernatural are counter-productive. Your own ideas are of use against this if you get them under control and present them in a more measured way. Help just one goy Notice today – pitch in for the Culture War effort, and you’ll feel better.
Jewish population of Russian empire was about 5mil with total population of about 175 mil. Approximating 5 kids per Jewish family there were about 1mil Jewish adults or about 500K Jewish males. And they killed 20 mil Russian Christians???
Next tell us how a sparrow raped an elephant.
Tell me how a queen bee makes all those pounds of honey. Stalin was only one man with a pen and a phone – his victims must be fake b/c he couldn’t possibly do all that by himself? Stop being obtuse, we’re not stupid. And don’t start with “Stalin wasn’t Jewish” – I’m using him to make the point about the system being centralized. I can name the 1917 Jewish Bolsheviks if you like (and start with Trotsky’s assent with Lenin in murdering the Czar & his family). From the Jerusalem Post: Half of the top contenders in the Central… Read more »
Maybe as many as six million.
Mister, we could sure use a man like Turlough O’Brien again.
Anna provides a useful example of Talmudry right down to the folksy rabbinical animal references and I welcome her counter-comments.
Problem is our side is loaded with theory boys who live in the world of thoughts and abstract notions. They are not organizers, planners, etc. They think it will be business as usual for the next 50 years or so. As it is the Progs are well on their way of putting us in a economic ghetto with the importation of 3rd worlders. It will just get worse from here on out. Politically and socially white males are one or two elections away from being turned into pariahs by the ruling class. Imagine what a Warren/Buttplug ticket will do to… Read more »
“Problem is our side is loaded with theory boys who live in the world of thoughts and abstract notions”
Those of us who are spending the weekends (and myself more so) in the woods disagree. I have an “evac plan.” I’m practicing it. One of the pages includes “don’t listen to “guys” who think Democratic ticket X-Y is the end of our race.” The only thing I imagine about a Warren-Buttplug ticket is more of the same, with a few more laughs. Tighten your shit up, Whitey.
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One element of willingly walking into exile is that those you leave behind can’t comprehend it. When they probe and you say “so what?, I don’t care”, it unnerves them. Those who oppose you are threatened, and those who sympathize are intrigued. I look at voluntary exile as one of the most interesting things one can do. I recommend it highly. It also adds a bit of zest to staying on the inside of things and watching how ridiculous it all is.
Living the name. Being a semi-rootless shapeshifter has its charms – I can see how Fellow Fellow Whites have enjoyed the role so long (sorry, I still need to get the hang of pretending I’m miserable and oppressed over it).
If you want a little pick-me-up, scan the comments to Steven Hayward’s glowing review of George Will’s new book over at the Powerline blog. Conservative Inc. is dead, dead, dead. That’s a start.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/09/george-wills-triumph.php
Maybe. But those “Dems are the real racist” CivNats have a long journey ahead of them to our side of the great divide. However, you’re right, the fact that they’re questioning the Neocon narrative is a good sign.
I was laughing out loud as I read those comments.
Disturbing the dog’s nap, I was.
Not dead yet. There’s still a market for these things as the mere existence (not to mention cash-cow success) of Hannity and Rush prove.
BestGuest, I’m not sure how long Rush (who I still enjoy) and the Moron Cheerleader will last, as little Benny Shapiro (and Levin, and Prager, and…) is making conservative radio absolutely unlistenable.
Just ranting, because Savage is still on here in San Fran. Thank the gods, thank all the gods, when that fast-talking shyster Shapiro has murdered Savage’s show everywhere else.
(Ha! He mentioned that Kate Steinle’s killer was shooting at sea lions, first. Still the best.)
Well f**k me. The show is cut an hour, guess who’s on now. Sorry for the irrelevant off-topic, folks. F!#@!!!
Yes!!!! I was pleasantly surprised at their uniformity in rejecting Hayward’s glowing appraisal. I read that site for the more accomplished normie perspective. Commenters there began strongly rejecting the pozzed perspective that permeates some of their articles. I started to notice real rebellion there with when three of their four primaries showed up hard anti-Trumpers in 2015/16.
American Conservatism in a nutshell (from the review – my adds for context): “In perhaps his most startling confession (of flip-flopping), Will (now) thinks the Supreme Court’s 1905 ruling in Lochner v. New York was correct: government regulations cannot violate individuals’ constitutional rights to enter into contracts. His argument owes a great deal to David Bernstein’s powerful revisionist history, Rehabilitating Lochner: Defending Individual Rights Against Progressive Reform (2011).” Pretentious, self-aggrandized weenie-squish prig George Will was (allegedly) talked out of one of his last remaining sacred Old Right principles (acceptance of the State’s limited role to protect/provide for the public good)… Read more »
We libertarians thought to defend the harmless eccentrics, the weak, but our ideas were used instead to defend the predatory strong.
The improvers spent the last hundred years sending a job application to the institutions, and they called that “reform”… of us, not the institutions.
Who to trust?
The Zman’s thesis today of the excluded vs the dissident is especially relevant, I think.
Thanks for this, and Labor Day, and every day, Zman.
(And damm glad for the platform that has attracted Exile and Dutch, the do-ers)
Ha! Small ‘L’ libertarian til I die, so anti-libertarians can bite me.
But where Z, Exile, and Dutch lead- I shall follow.
Front line or digging latrines, I shall follow!
Heh. A Powerline defendent speaks:
“In WWII we allied with totalitarian dictators and despots to defeat a worse group of dictators and despots.”
Yeah buddy, sure. You betcha.
Triumph of the Will, I get it.
During most of Earth’s history, living things adapted to the local environment in which they evolved, and only changed when the environment changed. Humans are unique in the ability to significantly alter their environment (think clothes and houses), and thus can dramatically alter their evolutionary path at will. It doesn’t stop there. We now have altered the “mechanism” of evolution and it’s fundamental drivers of fitness selection. Ask yourself, what traits does our current social environment select for? What changes do you see in modern men and women?
The question I always ask is why, given that the American experiment wasn’t copyrighted, and that many countries have adopted our Constitution and Laws in whole or in part, hasn’t there been one single government entity that can emulate the USA. (I don’t really. I live in the US. Just this week the People’s Republic of Cambridge cancelled the Caribbean festival due to the shootings in all the other Caribbean Festivals.)
Well Tom, the phenotype selected for in men might be termed uncharitably as “pussies”. But really, it’s the genotype I’m immediately worried about. World average IQ is headed down, except in some African countries where nutritional increases—also known as the Flynn Effect—still masks the general IQ decline found everywhere else in the developed world—but heck at a typical measure of 70, how high do you expect African IQ to grow? Given our influx of third word immigrants, with close to a point a decade genotype decline in IQ in the existing population, and in 50 years we are headed for… Read more »
The culture’s IQ decline is not your IQ decline or that of the people you choose to be around. Look at it as an opportunity for you and yours to more easily prevail, using your HBD-given smarts.
Dutch, correct. That’s not my children’s or grandchildren’s IQ…but they will be part of a declining society which contain a smaller and smaller proportion of Whites and as such can be expected to suffer when there are not enough folk to fill the required “smart fraction” necessary to keep this “shit show” of a country running. For those not familiar with this concept, it simply refers to the numbers of smart folk required to be engineers, doctors, scientists, etc. out of the 400-500M people expected to be living in the US in the next 50 years. But I hear ya.… Read more »
A small side note-
Thanks Compsci for explaining “Flynn effect”, as I get lost in insider terms like “Dunning-Kruger”?, “Flynn effect”, etc.
Please speak plainly, folks.
Showing how smart one is, is a distraction.
The ideas are what is important, or we’ll end up sounding like self-referential academics pissing away in a wokeness contest.
As the Zman noted yesterday, us worried, frazzled 60 year-olds with an 80 hour work week can’t chase down every thread, thanks.
Pick-up Baseball. Many of us played as kids. I’ve been up & down memory lane looking for what can be applied ‘here & now’. It’s not about the actual game of baseball (mostly unwatchable anymore). It’s the attitudes & lessons. Rules were flexible. Based on circumstances and agreement. Cooperation was required. But so was honor. No clubhouse lawyers arguing. It was simple. It was the act of play, keeping it going as a group. People floated in and out. You wanted to play, you had to ‘get’ what it was about. It was loosely tied to “The Bigs” as an… Read more »
Yes, dissidents are cast out into the wilderness but you have to think that once the human capital outside the castle walls/cathedral reaches a critical mass, and the “elite” becomes degenerate enough or just pathetic enough inside, that the guy who has been a hermit for lo these last few decades might soon be on a throne eating a turkey leg while the deposed king who looked like he was on top of the world a couple weeks ago is either missing his head or in the woods foraging for berries. We have Jared Taylor and John Derbyshire outside the… Read more »
Fantastic essay, ZMan. I hope it calls over more of those who find themselves mid-way across the river to Our Side.
Yes. It’s terribly important that those who are dissidents, or seeking to be dissidents, have a decent idea of what their ground is, and what it isn’t. Otherwise you don’t know where you are sleeping the next night.
Whatever we do let’s not get too bogged down in endless rule making. A handful of well thought out positive and negative covenants. Let’s allow cultural norms and social expectations and pressures to do the rest. We have a long, rich and successful history. Let’s modernize what will work for us and the kind of civilization we’d like to rebuild and see florish. Race -> ethnic subculture lays the foundation.
Exactly where I am. Working on some basics like that for American Identity posting in a month or two. Some basics so far, subject to mods as I go along – the People as a whole are paramount, political influence is primarily based on clan, not individuals. All religions are separate from and subordinate to civil authority in the fashion of the Byzantine Emperors in the Orthodox Church. We don’t want the “Judeo-Christian” backdoor that Z cited in his recent podcast on PragerU’s Talmudry regarding loyalty in a US vs. Israel war. It’s an open invitation to hijack your citizens… Read more »
Here’s the thing. No matter what rules or structures you put on things, they need to be obeyed and carried out by the people in the community of people around you. If you have a good community, a lot of the structure of it is not necessary, just go informally and you are OK. If the community is not a good one, it doesn’t really matter what you have in place—that’s the lesson of our current macro community. Structure also gives your enemies points of attack. Watch how things are going in Hong Kong, any leadership or formal structure that… Read more »
Very true. I’m trying to expressly caution against and personally avoid the temptation to “systematize” everything (as a recovering libertarian I can only hope to resist every day, not escape it). However, I do want to be up front with the vastly Christian base for Our Thing, and particularly God > Pope > Humanity TradCaths or My Idea of Scripture > Humanity Prots about where I’m coming from. Neither the ideas that a) non-conforming citizens need their salvation, or b) that the people’s judgements are subject to their own religious “moral” veto are on the table for discussion. We won’t… Read more »
Exile. Agreed. Never took the command of going forth and spending the word as beating people over the head with the Bible. Live and show by example. Vigilance, courage and truth. If asked, be humble in assigning from whence the source of your strength comes from. God will do the rest. That is spreading the word.
If I pull from scripture you’ll note I never tell others what they “must do”, rather how it motivates or limits only myself.
I like your ideas. In the notional when a where, count me in.
Hong Kong’s a slightly different story – what formal structure they have is synthesized in DC. It’s another color-revo ala Nuland’s Orange Putsch in Ukraine. The last thing the good grey community in HK wanted was a world-televised uprising.
Quite possibly true, but a bit beside my point. HK is a Petri dish from which we can observe what works, what might be working, and what doesn’t. Are the PRC pandas making the same mistakes those in charge in the West would make? Look at all those blue and green laser pointer beams flying around to confuse and confound the face recognition devices. Is it actually working? Learn how the protesters communicate and coordinate. They use traffic cones to protect themselves from tear gas by directing the plumes straight up. Communication is dispersed and non-hierarchical. So much to observe… Read more »
You’re wrong. I live in Hong Kong and know the place intimately. I’m a long-term Caucasian expat. Of course many outside actors may or may not want in on what is happening here, but the underlying frustrations and anger spring from disgust with a contemptuous disconnected elite and demographic swamping of the locals by mainland fellaheen immigrants. Sound familiar?
Life doesn’t always fit into simple cookie cutter molds.
Pontificate about stuff you actually KNOW about.
Don’t believe everything Vox Day and Jim emit from their posteriors.
Pontificate about the chances to achieve anything but dissident pain and casualties given Hong Kong’s geostrategic isolation. I barely read Day and don’t know who “Jim” is and don’t care. It is a grossly obvious fact that our Deep State is ham-fistedly stoking the HK unrest. Dead dissidents can’t win. To prevail, first survive. Being angry, justly or otherwise, is one small element of overall strategy. As for comparing the situation to that of American White dissidents on this blog, if we must strain the comparison, think of what we went through in Charlottesville and magnify the Empire and Antifa… Read more »
Not going to waste much time on you, but I will point out that Hong Kong *IS* the Shire for native Cantonese-speaking Hong Kong people who grew up here. Taiwan *is* the Shire for the people of Taiwan. Where do you propose they emigrate to? Your back garden? The Hong Kong people stand NO chance against the might of the PRC. They know this well. We’re talking about a population with estimated mean IQ 105-110. Not you’re average sports ball normies here. Waste of time and a digression from our good host’s agenda to go in detail into WHY the… Read more »
I respect your experience in the world’s tightest spots. If everyone here had a choice between the immigrants we have and Taiwanese and HK citizens, not a tough question, you know who’d be here. That said, we can’t be the Ark for every oppressed population on Earth. It’s an existential truth we have to accept to protect ourselves and our families. To the extent White “we” is even America’s “we” anymore, we have to belatedly learn to honestly say “we can’t help you.” Since the Second Founding, Americans were taught to believe, religiously, culturally and politically that we can and… Read more »
I appreciate these sentiments. I agree that we as Westerners cannot and even should not help. Frankly, I’m not even for Democracy (certainly not anything beyond adult male property-holders) — just feel sympathy with an oppressed population doing what human dignity demands that they must.
Kind of galling that the UK refused to give the population of Hong Kong residence rights after 1997 and then proceeded to take in the dregs of Bangladesh and Pakistan. Mind boggles.
Here’s the key: being “indifferent to the prevailing orthodoxy.” Or as Twain put it, “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect.” Or as my veteran Dad put it before I signed up, “If you’re not pissing off the bureaucrats then you’re not doing your job.” The dissident mindset has to be centered on what is objectively true, good, and just … which to my mind means we all have to be secessionists. E.g. I’m forced to pay taxes for government education but I choose to homeschool. A long time ago I… Read more »
Institutions are man made and even the best ones last only a few generations without the need for a restoration. Those restorations hardly ever come, and parallel institutions have to be set up. This is why home schooling and charter schools are so opposed by the insiders. Humanity is fallen and after so much time, everything turns to tears. Our default is to only learn from tears.
A few suggestions for the modern right wing dissident.
1. “7 Ways to Maximize Misery.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o
2. “How to Improve Reasoning Skills.”
https://www.wikihow.com/Improve-Reasoning-Skills
3. living well on less.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=living+well+on+less&t=ffnt&atb=v167-1&ia=web
4. Get a hobbby.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=picking+a+hobby+that%27s+right+for+you&t=ffnt&atb=v167-1&ia=web
5. Don’t be paranoid, but be prepared.
“The Beginner’s Guide To Sensible Prepping.”
https://sensiblesurvivalists.com/beginners-guide-to-sensible-prepping-preparedness-survival-checklist/
6. “First Aid Training.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qahukkDYFbk
7. Cheer the hell up.
Bologna, you were at your best when the quotes were your own words, not others’, but this is good, really good.
2, 5, and 6 are on the list, esp. 6 & 5.
(Yeah, I see you working voluntary overtime.
Thanks much for 6!)
“Cheer the hell up.” That is important. Speaking for myself, losing my faith in God set me into a deep, very long depression, at times quite despondent. I’ve begun to make some headway in rising out of it though. Nietzschean “enjoy the struggle,” “what does not kill me, makes me stronger” cannot simply be willed into existence, it is a process (for me, a slow one), and this way of thinking/perceiving/feeling slowly begins takes hold of you. I recommend this essay: https://academyofideas.com/2012/11/active-and-passive-nihilism/ Note that the author implicitly attempts to corral his readers into liberalism (in my opinion), which I reject… Read more »
One very unusual aspect of exclusion is that those who are excluded that would naturally be leaders of a society are in the best position to reform it. I believe it was Terrence McKenna who said that the cost of sanity in such a society is a certain degree of alienation. Inside society you have Lilliputians and Brobdingnabians, and they place their hope in the advancement on the Laputans, who are so busy extracting sunbeams from cucumbers that they haven’t realized their wives left them long ago. On the fringe, the most black pilled are the houyhnhnms who debate if… Read more »
So where do we build our new Dissident Community that evolves independently, a la Plymouth Plantation?
Mars? The moons of Saturn?
Don’t be too literal. Simply meeting for drinks with fellow dissidents is enough to form a community. Logical communities are just as real as physical ones.
This is the exact model of the early Christians; post-crucifixion. Just keep commenting here.
In your town, amongst your workers or friends, anywhere. We’re not going to carve Whiteopia out of the wilderness. We’re going to carve it our of the existing society, piece by piece. We aren’t settlers. We’re dissidents.
People always take 5PT activism to mean Ruby Ridge, publicly-announced secessionism, civil war and Glenn Beck Survival Bunkers (TM). Rethink that. There are “no-go” zones in the middle of the biggest cities and capitals of every Western nation. There are vast swathes of the Southwest where ICE has posted notices saying their writ no longer runs, as Steyn put it in After America. SoCal’s government-“policed” national forests have pot plantations run by Mexican gangs. There are small towns all over America where the entire system is run according to the corrupt schemes of a few local families. Those of us… Read more »
Exile, I understand you to mean meat space in the sense of our physically adjacent communities. If wrong please correct me. If so I agree that is the place to start (Elks and fraternal clubs, select churches, bars, masters sports teams etc.) My only problem is it seems almost impossible to find individuals as far along in dissonance as myself, or they are too wary to reveal themselves. In that note I dont mind being the coaxing pathfinder for others, but I do know I will miss the level of sophistication, knowledge and vision of the online dissident groups like… Read more »
Seminars are a good way in that the security is handled by the organizers. We need to figure out ways to network that aren’t solely internet-based, or at least on different platforms. It’s easy to phish or spoof communications between anons who know each other only by handles, so some meat-space “undigitized” communication is handy to provide verification and wave-off signals, etc… I’ve been reading around the edges of that stuff lately, give me a few days to dig in and I’ll try to have some useful info. It’s a slow process because everyone needs to be educated in some… Read more »
Thank you, Sir. Interested in your findings when you have them.
@Exile – “It’s easy to phish or spoof communications between anons who know each other only by handles…”
So you gotta have everything done the Robert Ludlum way. ‘Kay. Crypto, call signs, pre-arranged identification signals, and post link-up identification verification protocols have been around for awhile, bro; since people have been meeting in dark recesses to exchange secrets, in fact.
Our side is notoriously stupid with protecting their identity in this sort of way, but there is a bright side – the opposition isn’t any better.
Exactly. Tech like P2P makes some of that easier but the old one-time keypad low tech still works, and poor technique at certain stages can make the tech worse than useless, a trap in fact. Tor ended up being that for a lot of people who felt safe (kinda old link, but covers some important issues: https://www.howtogeek.com/142380/htg-explains-is-tor-really-anonymous-and-secure/)
I just realized I have inadvertently exhibited the theme of Zman’s post today. Dissident Versus Dispossessed. I whine about losing my seat the table with society and the death of muh Constitution… instead of letting it go and becoming something new. Time to evolve.
Sean, You are right about us being stupid with identity etc. We dont discuss anything illegal here. For myself I’ve been operating under the old subconscious belief in muh Constitution. Maybe others here too. Its childishly endearing but unfortunately we dont get to control what the migrating lines of the law will do. In the years to come we must become wiser and more vigilant. Completely disconnect from the belief the Constitution reflects our inate rights anymore. I guess the Progs will get their “Living Document” eventually. They could have kept it civil and fought us argument for argument. Nope.… Read more »
“Plimoth” Sorry, friend, you triggered my inner Puritan. 😉
We’ll see now if conservatives have any discipline. With Walmart signaling they are now anti-gun, will the rural base boycott en masse?
Don’t get your hopes up, too many of our people are “follow the leader” and Trump isn’t the type to tell off the Waltons.
IMO, its time for a 99% estate tax on the billionaires, traitorous scum.
Time to march on Walmart’s.
Good description of the psychology of dissidents vs dispossessed. But those institutions captured by the enemy happen to be the reins of state, not just private enterprises. And state institutions have some unique characteristics that make them very nice to be in control of, and equally uncomfortable to be in opposition to.
To really do as suggested it, it seems to me we would need to set up a parallel government. To call that a tall order does not even begin to describe it.
any institution subject to social pressure is bound to be co-opted by the left. this is why the future of the dissident movement lies with a fully decentralized gab.ai (if shitlibs are unable to take it down — although torba might end up having to flee the country when libs do away with 1st amendment via a hate crime exception) and with an incorruptible bitcoin. maybe mencius moldbug’s fully decentralized urbit project if it takes off. a free future, if we are to have one, requires more innovation of this type.
Agree in toto…*except* for one crucial institution: Government (i.e. that which claims a monopoly of initiated force and violence over a defined geographic area). Even if you can’t seize power in the overall institution of government in a democracy—because it attracts and is led mainly by sociopaths—you CAN seek positions from which you can deny power to “them” (cf Ron Paul). This is the reason for Trumpian populism in the U.S. (no matter whether he’s delivering on his promises; the point is that he was elected *based* on those promises), as well as parties such as the Front Nationale in… Read more »
One could talk about the founding of America as having a north and a south from the very beginning.
The Puritans of New England
vs.
The British Company Town aka Jamestown.
https://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/a-short-history-of-jamestown.htm
Sure there was some slavery in New England, but not much while the expansionist company towns in the South drove the practice. (a bit simplistic yes, but it fits the narrative well).
In the end, the exiled Puritans won out.
Wow, Outis and Pickle Rick above, love the history. Thanks fellas
it is possible to have have always been a dissident of the right. The dissident communities, whatever they may be are real. Like minded individuals.
“If that chick don’t want to know forget her.”
Thin Lizzie circa 1976
“Know”… “If that chick don’t wanna *know*, forget her”
I know. I say go. The appropriate quote fixed. If one quotes someone they should get it right. No excuse.
Here’s an interesting look at: “The Puritans as Radical Reformers.”
https://faithandheritage.com/2018/08/the-puritans-as-radical-reformers/
I think of the Puritans as first and foremost reformers. They no longer exist in England for that reason. In exile, they picked up more radical ideas from Continental Protestants, then in the wilderness of America, they became a stand alone identity. The reason American high culture is still influenced by Puritan ideas is of what they became in exile.
Good essay. This especially surprised me: “Conservative reformers, on the other hand, valued continuity, hierarchy, and tradition. A prime example was the very much underrated second-generation Italian Reformer, Girolamo Zanchi. While solidly Calvinistic, he maintained an explicit appreciation for Aquinas and the medieval tradition in general.” I just recently learned about the radical divide that used to exist in Anglicanism. I knew of High Church versus Low Church, but the differences between them were RADICAL at times. Anglicanism had no central theologian to refer to (like Luther or Calvin), and the field was often wide open. High Church Anglicans would… Read more »
Good.
But I would put my trust in more than ideas, namely organizing.
I would put my trust in blood, lead, steel. Mere ideas are nothing but ideas, blood and steel are real.
vxxc said: “I would put my trust in blood, lead, steel. Mere ideas are nothing but ideas, blood and steel are real.”
“Bad advice is often most destructive to the adviser.”
-Aulus Persius Flaccus
Awesome essay, which is really going to stick with me. It made me view things in a different way. I’ll be saving a personal copy of this one.
I thought the dispossesed are those who have undergone a successful exorcism.
The problems is that the “dissidents” you are talking about are whiners to whom equality and fairness seems like oppression. The truth is that white “men” just cannot cut the mustard anymore. Witness the below replacement level birthrates among white-which is due to a dearth of attractive white males. Also consider how many “men” on sites like this are childless and never married. Pathetic. Also, Africa is the future whether you like it or not. Lagos on the Chesapeake you say mockingly? Well, reap the wind I say. I see nothing wrong with Africans returning the favour of settling in… Read more »
You have to go back.
This was mildly interesting… lots of “down votes’… but this site’s readers are known for down-voting truth. Yeah, you guys are weenies. The future is positively brown, and no one can do a thing about it. And yeah, you “Big, Bad Dissenters” are no more dissenting than a classroom of 12 year old girls… hate to inform you but oh well…
Two points stand out to me in your comment. First, you believe that whites have a uniquely evil history and second, that you regard diversity and immigration as a punishment that whites deserve.
Discussion is not going to solve the conflict between your group and mine.