Carny Town

One of the important side effects of the communications revolution is the proliferation of grifters, con men and hustlers. Things that were impossible thirty years ago, like e-mail scams, remain a constant problem. The internet has made it easy for even the crudest hustlers to reach a broad audience. As a result, the number of hustlers has increased and the types of hustles have also increased. The twitter troll, for example, is an entirely new type of hustle, made possible by the internet.

One reason for this is that the internet has turned into a big stage where anyone can try out their act on the public. In the old days, a carny bimbo would have been confined to a traveling carnival, Hollywood, New York or community theater. Maybe she would have ended up in pornography. It was not an easy way to make a living. Today, she can have a twitter account where she flashes photo-shopped pics of herself. Thirsty losers send her money through PayPal or super chats on her YouTube channel.

The low barrier to entry means every female with a desire for the carny life can get on stage from the privacy of her studio apartment. It’s not just females working the new rackets. In a prior age, Mike Cernovich would have been traveling from town to town selling his monkey mind juice to gullible townies at state fairs. Alex Jones would have been mailing people his mimeographed newsletter, where he explained how space aliens control the Federal Reserve Bank.

Most likely, it is the communications revolution that has caused the news media to commit suicide. In the old days, when the audience was fixed, the focus was on maintaining the facade of objectivity. No one was under any illusions about growing the audience, so they focused on keeping the audience. The internet promised a global market and unlimited market share. A relentless drive for eyeballs gave rise to the clickbait journalists turning the media into fake news.

The thing is though, the basics of the confidence game have not changed all that much with the new technology. The confidence man gets his name because he is adept at winning the confidence of the mark. The mark then lowers his defenses and foolishly trusts the con man, rather than his own natural skepticism. The mark is manipulated into thinking the con man is a friend or at least someone who can be trusted. The con man then uses that trust to exploit the mark.

The way in which the con men does this is by flattery. The mark trusts the con man, because the con man finds small ways to confirm the beliefs of the mark. The adept grifter will be a good listener and pick up the little things that the mark thinks are important, like religious beliefs or opinions about personal matters. Seemingly out of the blue, the con man will express those same opinions, which flatters the mark. After all, everyone likes being told that their private opinions are smart.

That’s something you see with the internet grifters. They often have worn a lot of masks as they seek out on-line audiences. Mike Cernovich is the obvious example. He was a sexual deviant, then he was into the man-o-sphere stuff. He was alt-right and then it was alt-light and Trump . After Trump won, he morphed into new media, claiming to have White House connections. Now he is a guy hustling supplements. He works a lot of hustles, because he is always looking for a new crowd to flatter.

Another aspect of the con that remains constant is how the con man uses his alleged status as a victim to work the mark. Con men will use their mark’s natural empathy to win their confidence. Today that often means claiming the big bad tech companies are censoring them. Alternatively, they will claim evil trolls are haunting their internet activity, causing them harm. The term troll has been changed from meaning someone seeking attention to something almost supernatural.

This is a favorite of the Left. They know their audience wants to believe they are in an end of days struggle with dark forces. Like the old circuit preachers, who would pretend to be wrestling with Old Scratch, the left-wing grifter claims to be in a holy war with right-wing trolls. The game is to portray themselves as a victim, as people naturally sympathize with victims. This scam allows the left-wing grifter to shift the focus from her con to the alleged evil doer.

That’s something else you see with the new con men of the internet. Like the old school con men, they really do see themselves as victims. That’s why they get so man angry when they are caught or even accused. Think back to Bill Clinton in his deposition with Ken Starr. When he was pinned down, he got mad, not because he was caught, but because he truly felt he was being persecuted. What allows the grifter to operate is the persecution complex. They think they are the righteous.

In the before times, society made an effort to police the con men. City police departments had “bunco squads” that worked confidence swindles. The point was to both tamp down these rackets, but also maintain public confidence. Society is based in social trust and the confidence man erodes social trust. We no longer have bunco squads and the grifters are running wild on new media. One result of that is the sharp decline in social trust. Carnies and con men rule the day.


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I predict lots of popcorn in the comments. Also, the part about evil trolls haunting their internet activity is interesting as regards to your timing. I mean, isn’t Vox Day on an anti-troll rampage at the moment?

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Vox Day is, well, an interesting guy, but he doesn’t come across as a grifter. Cult leader, maybe; con man, no.

I will say this for Day, he explicitly argues that we fight back and that we form our own communities, our own systems. To me, that is the great dividing line, not just between grifter and honest advocate but between those looking to build a future and those just complaining.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

He’s a tough one to pin down. Does a lot of good work, one of the smartest commentators IMO, but the dark lord thing is hard to swallow. Way too nerdy— and I’m a bit of a nerd!

The books are cool. Wish I had the money to buy the Collier Junior Classics.

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You can always download them. They are out of copyright.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

True but I have a thing for leather books. Not much as satisfying as reading a finely made volume.

John Smith
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Yeah but so does Cerno, Citizen. Both of them will pick a fight at the drop of a hat and go in swinging… the problem is that they often lose. If you’re going to pick a fight in this realm, you need to follow through and win it. If you want to know where the next Richard Spencer is going to come from, odds are on either on of those two idiots. They already got MILO. They don’t play well to the cameras or the critical thinker. Fuentes laughed at him when Vox “challenged” him. Jordan Peterson wouldn’t even do… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Look, I’m probably not the guy to defend Vox Day. I don’t know that much about him or read him much. But Day seems intent on building alternate entertainment venues, organizations that could go one without him. That’s the way to fight back and that’s what he’s doing. Cerno is a freak. Spencer didn’t want to do the little things to build a real European American political group. Cerno and Spencer love to play the dancing monkey for the Left. Day doesn’t even do interviews. As best as I can tell, Day (a weird guy for sure) is trying to… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Z, good points. Day hasn’t built alternate platforms. He just sells brand stuff on existing platforms. Again, my defending Day is odd since I’m not much of a fan of the guy personally. Indeed, Day (and Spencer) strike me as psychologically needy. Spencer jumps at any chance to be in the limelight. Day seems to avoid the media, but he stirs up unnecessary drama like a 13-year-old girl. Day may not need the approval of the media, but he needs something. Regardless, the next phase for DR needs serious men for building communities and organizations. Day came up through the… Read more »

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I would take VD over Spencer any day of the week. Spencer is a clown at best.
Richard Spencer might as well be an enemy. He always comes down on the wrong side of things. He got his donors doxxed and then told his donors he might give the doxxer a “second chance.” He goes on TV to play the bad guy whenever they ask.
He did more than any other single person to utterly destroy and discredit the alt-right. He is a moron of the highest order or a traitor. I have zero respect for the guy.

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Felix_Krull

He’s also generally consistent with what he says, though how a devout Christian is good buddies with Milo is a head scratcher.

I peg him as an atheist who does the god-stuff because that’s what his core audience likes. Plenty of those out there, both online and in normiespace. I don’t believe Milo is a Christian either.

Jack
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Jack

Day has a huge man crush on Owen Benjamin. So much so that Day has even adopted phrases and mannerisms of the Big Bear. Hard to say how deep the man crush goes as to whether Day is aping Owen intentionally or unwittingly, either of which would not reflect strongly on his character.

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I’d give him a pass for running that cottage business but his self immolation in 2019 is something to behold.

John Smith
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Why do you think he does that, Citizen? I’ll tell ya: because he gets the punt in every group he takes part in, and he alienates everyone in that group. And – when he loses those fights as he invariably does… he acts like a petulant child – as he did when he sued Gab for refusing to censor people that laughed at him or disagreed with him. I hear he’s getting ready to sue some OyTubers for laughing at him now. Looks like he’ll lose that one too. If you think he’s on your side…you’ll learn otherwise, eventually. Or… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

he acts like a petulant child –

Like, in fact, a gamma.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

After a few months of reading Vox fairly often I tuned out. Trump as “the God Emperor”? Please. His put-downs of Jordan Peterson may have some validity — I’m not very familiar with Peterson’s oeuvre — but Vox’s hatred is obsessive. Finally, I can’t see someone whose main business is publishing comic books as a cultural hero.

I guess I’m glad he’s doing his stunt, better that than nothing, but dissidence should be made of sterner stuff.

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Felix_Krull

His put-downs of Jordan Peterson may have some validity — but Vox’s hatred is obsessive

Yes on both counts. I think it’s toss-up whether Vox or Peterson will crack first; run naked down the street with a werewolf mask and mustard smeared on their penis, yelling about glowniggers or space aliens .

Of course, Peterson is from Canada, so nobody would probably notice.

I can’t see someone whose main business is publishing comic books as a cultural hero.

No. It’s poz.

De Ferres
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De Ferres

Peterson is in the nut hut now, fleix. I think we can safely say that vox, the autistic kape shit expert, has safely one this round.

tullamore92
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tullamore92

“Day doesn’t even do interviews.” Au contraire. That’s what finally turned me away for good. Like others here, I’d given him a fair amount of my attention, putting up with with the mild goofiness – the Dark Lord stuff, his need to start slap fights with anyone who offered even mild criticism of anything he’d said, etc. The breaking point was when, following months and months of his beating the “NEVER GIVE INTERVIEWS!” drum, he landed an interview with a somewhat mainstream outlet (I forget which one now, was a few years ago). Of course he could completely justify THIS… Read more »

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

“What I’ve noticed about the leading dissidents in this culture war is that they all promote the cause first, and themselves second. The grifters have that the other way around.”

Good point although it applies to all forms of grift.

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kmbr

I like VDs stuff. He was one of the first I listened to in the red pilling process. I read his blog and here, mostly. I also read Anglin quite a bit. I truly enjoy his writing. Vox provides a lot of value and he’s making a living. I can’t fault everyone for making a living. He’s consistent and is who he is. He’s a bright guy, he could be doing a lot of things-he is choosing to do this. I don’t 100% love or agree with anyone in the larger movement. I try to accept the good with the… Read more »

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I used to make the same argument for Beale but he’s long since frittered away any moral authority and the good work done with Infogalactic and SJWs Always Lie.

This recent “Troll War” is eye opening. Instructing his followers to dox someone and brag about having a 13 year old kid in a wheel chair arrested has sealed the deal; going forward, he can only be Teddy Spaghetti and a Lolcow.

Chris_Lutz
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I gave up quite awhile back. There’s only so much “I’m not saying the moon landings are fake, but let me list the reasons they are fake” before you realize he’s off his rocker. He’s not a grifter, but he is a salesman. He exists to sell his stuff. Close to if not the greatest stuff ever made, mind you. 😉

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Hey quick question to all: what’s up with Fuentes and the groypers? He’s taking a lot of friendly fire. AJ is the only person I can think of top of the head who hasn’t criticized, condemned, or outright trashed the guy lately. Seems to me he’s hitting a nerve, but to see the reaction on the right puzzles me.

Nobody’s perfect. You can pick them all apart. That’s the type who gets into the media game. Maybe a little more tolerance for flawed personalities.

greyenlightenment
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maybe because he gives off a ben shapro like vibe and sorta looks like him too .same height, hair color, etc.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

If he’s conservative inc. it’s a deep op given his previous statements on our greatest ally and historical events.

I guess what gets my spidey sense tingling is how hard Vox and Owen Benjamin have gone after him. Those guys were previously pretty hard on Jews, but now they’ve changed their tune. Something is up.

Mike Ricci
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Mike Ricci

It’s probably just the usual distrust that an online movement creates. The dissident right has no lack of bizarre goofballs who can easily rub each other the wrong way. Personally I’m not impressed with the groypers because they’re just dorky young kids, but they don’t need to be attacked; whereas someone like Richard Spencer absolutely does need to be attacked.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Sure they’re dorks. But they’re just getting started. Methinks they’ll grow into the role. That’s why I don’t get the reaction. This is the future. Why try to canabalize it?

Exile
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Exile

I worry less about who needs to be “attacked” on our side and more about Them. The fact that Groypers exist is the important thing more than their particulars. Nick’s a net-positive (so is Beale, FWIW), as gateways to better thinking if nothing else. Spencer’s been an example of how not to do many things but he’s self-discrediting in that respect. I’m not interested in punching Right when we can avoid it or otherwise kicking the guy. The urge to purge has been the Right’s curse for years as we waste our energy on each other. Greg Johnson witch-hunts the… Read more »

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I had this dream the other night that I was with Ben Shapiro at some left-wing fancy party and I was explaining to him that everybody in the party was just a grifter and then all the sudden I realized, hey I’m with Ben Shapiro, the top grifter and right then the entire room started to turn on me and I woke up. Super weird. Ben Shapiro was really short in my dream. I was a good foot taller than him

unin
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unin

That’s how you know it’s a dream, in real life you’re a good two feet taller than Ben Shapiro

JustaProle
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JustaProle

I’m sure I speak for everyone when I write that I hope you don’t have any more night terrors such as that one.

Sean Detente
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Gotta admit, Benny Boi causing a guy to have night terrors is funny unto itself.

John Smith
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Stop this shameless libel, you buggardly trolls, or I shall complain to the management!!! 🙂

That’s one other thing about the con from the left: if you in any way oppose the agenda or narrative, you are instantly guilty of one of the so-called “Bads”. You think Obutthole is an empty suit? Racist! Didn’t vote for Hillary? Chauvinist! Don’t agree with sexual degeneracy? Homophobe!!!

Great. Now we can add trolling to the growing list of ‘bads’.

Semi-Hemi
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Semi-Hemi

I had a vivid dream last night in which I answer the front door and Kim Jong Un is there in a wheelchair accompanied by Martin Sheen. They were very polite and came in and sat on my sofa. After that Johnny Cash came by and fried some bacon.

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Did Mickey Rooney happen to stroll through?

Vegetius
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Vegetius

Molyneaux

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

One of my favorites. He diagnoses the problems as well as anyone. The libertarian solutions and atheism can go. Still an interesting and insightful presenter.

Penitent Man
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Penitent Man

Paintersforms,

I haven’t listened to him in close to a couple of years, simply because my tastes migrated but I agree with you. When he did his year end cataloging of his shows he reported by numbers that his personal diagnosis shows were his most listened to and popular… so I think you are spot on there.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Moly is a ferryman for our side as opposed to a gatekeeper. Is he a bit of grifter? I don’t know. Maybe. Think of him as a private smuggler who runs guns that our side needs and gets paid handsomely for his work.

Is he fully on our side? No. Are his motives pure? No. Is he helping our side? Yes.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

I was surprised to discover that his call-in shows are his most popular, but I think he’s a good interviewer and I’ll listen if his guest interests me. Same as Rogan. I dislike purity tests.

Compsci
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Compsci

Agree. Biggest problem I see is that for one reason or another he’s (Moly) trying to reinvent himself into some sort of investigative journalist, ala Tim Pool. As Epaminondas pointed out, he take too long to get to the point. I suspected that he was shooting for some YouTube video lengths in order to maximize revenue, but I’m not knowledgeable in such areas. Anyway, his early stuff is online and viewable. I consider it exemplary. There were discussions/interviews with some important characters in HBD science and at that time were fairly unique on the medium as I knew it.

Ben the Layabout
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Ben the Layabout

Er, I thought that trolls (pre-internet) originally were supernatural beings? Or, at least they were creatures that lived under bridges to collect tolls. This was, admittedly, in the days before the toll booth was moved to either end of the bridge, and the hobos replaced the troll as living under the bridge.

Obake158
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Obake158

I feel the same about the shekel grubbing crew of degenerates and racist liberals over at TRS. The fact that I fell for the grift is the worst thing. Common Filth was after all right about everything.

9-Fingered Bucket Man
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9-Fingered Bucket Man

Whut? Genuinely curious, what’s your gripe with TRS (got a few myself)?

Pinochet
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Pinochet

They mysteriously are able to process credit card payments themselves with no issues: they don’t need to deal with Bitcoin or PO Boxes like virtually every other edgy dissident person/group. Even, allegedly, through Stripe! A very hostile vendor that’s quick to deplatform.

This leaves two possibilities:

1. Mike and Jesse are so smart that they’ve figured out a way to fool credit card processors and stay under the radar, despite the alleged $100k/month in revenue.
2. Somebody in power is allowing them to keep their merchant account. Why might that be?

The reader can judge for themselves which is the more likely scenario.

Sleepy
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Sleepy

Your theory will be a lot more believable after the feds start rounding up their (supposed) ~10k subscribers

Pinochet
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Pinochet

It doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to realize that it’s more about TRS real life meetup groups (which the shows kind of serve as a funnel towards).

Some people would probably be interested in the names and details of several thousand lonely, disaffected and gullible white men.

Sleepy
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Sleepy

By your logic (promotes dissident political views, able to collect money from listeners via credit card processors, encourages people get involved in real life meet ups, attends them himself) the Z Man is likely also working for the Feds! Z Man, come clean!

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

I fully expect Chief Lieawatha’s Justice Department to do exactly this after she takes over the big Teepee in January 2021

Sleepy
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Sleepy

If it’s a grift, it’s a strange one: Podcast for free for a few years, get doxed and lose your ability to make a living the way you did before, then ask your listeners to chip in so you can eat,etc. They’re, of course, not everyone’s taste, but a grift? I can’t see it.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

TRS is completely federally converged…and on top of that they haven’t been funny in a long time.

Exile
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Exile

Asking for $10 a month is hardly a “grift” in my book. It’s better than listening to someone shilling for a product in a commercial. A lot of the Team Stormer vs. TRS stuff is way too inside-baseball for my tastes, smacks of personal beefs. Too many glass houses among e-personalities to throw stones and the TRS guys seem to have decent message-discipline on staying out of that mudhole. They’re a strong positive for Us overall.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Resurrecting Christopher Cantwell is a positive?

Giving a platform to unapologetic, unironic CommieNazi Erik Striker is a positive?

Having a federal informant running your IRL groups is a positive?

And worst of all, Mike Enoch used to be hilarious, now he’s just boring.

The little Castizo Boy has shown us the way. This isn’t it.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

I hope that you’re right about Nick but I guess that he will ultimately recant and say something like, “because God loves all peoples we should not object to immigration. Let’s focus on Christian morality, bringing jobs back to the USA, and getting out of foreign wars.”

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Yeah it is. Because that’s how people hone their ideas and convictions: by testing them and bouncing them off the opposition. I’ve listened to him and I’m in no more danger of becoming a collectivist of any stripe than I was before.

Exile
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Exile

Meme: the number of people who know Cantwell from Orwell is probably single digit nowadays. “Fed informant” was just an accusation by Anglin – an extremely dodgy character in his own right. Take Striker or leave him, is on Unz now, and he scores points on the enemy. Enoch still makes good points.

I don’t see how any of those gripes change the big picture – it’s all drama-queen inside-baseball for the Extremely Online.

There’s room on the Right for TRS and Nick – save the Shoah for the other side.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

TRS is a good departure point for a general discussion about trusting people whom you don’t know well in real life.

Will the standards that TRS is held to be satisfiable by any online group/person? Our numbers are small and we need capable people.

Is any group/person that processes credit cards or still has a website/YouTube untrustworthy?

How could TRS have better vetted Jayoh or Eli (who was with Spencer, not TRS)? Once these guys were shown to be untrustworthy, they were let go.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Is Jayoh gone now?

They could have handled that situation better up-front by Actually addressing it, and by not shutting off their comments section when it broke.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

The biggest conman is Google. Just google it, you’ll see.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Conservative Inc. grifters like Shapiro aren’t just using flattery, they’re using fear. The mark has to want to believe the con. The old lady has to believe that the younger, handsome man finds her attractive. She believes this not only because he is flattering her but because she fears getting older and losing her beauty. CivNat whites are flattered by Shapiro et. al, who tell them how smart they are, but they also fear losing their country. Like the young con man telling the older lady she is still beautiful, Shapiro tell CivNat whites that the brown horde will become… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

This is one of the best short descriptions I have ever heard of the problem with CivNats. Over at PJ Media (and Brietbart) they’re busy talking about how do you Educate the libs and the horde, because “we’re the smart ones”…

Compsci
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Compsci

Yes, that is basically correct. However, if you obtain an adequate age and have an adequate memory and are reasonably thoughtful, you begin to remember that you’ve “heard it all before”—and most importantly what was predicted to occur, did not. A reasonable person then is faced with looking for different explanations of observable reality or to deny that reality and live in fantasy. In my discussions with younger folk—just about everyone I meet these days—half my discussion is lecturing them on recent “history”. Pointing out that what they say wrt policy and procedure has been tried in one form or… Read more »

Reality Check
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Reality Check

Excellent point. It’s like a part ll to the habit of normie-cons practising willful ignorance in regards to immigration, race-realism, voting patterns, etc.

Part l-ignore reallity as well as possible; part ll-only listen to people who tell you everything is going to be great and that it’s actually good that they ignore the scary stuff ‘cuz it’s bad anyway…

I know people exactly like this and it really seems to be how they keep themselves in their bubble…

John Smith
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“A relentless drive for eyeballs gave rise to the clickbait journalists turning the media into fake news….” ———————————— Perhaps a nit to pick: Back in the 80’s – London’s Fleet Street was a sewer of mass media crapulence. The Guardian – which has about half the credibility and integrity of the NYT – was literally the best of the pozzed rag sheets that – as the Kippers like to say, “weren’t fit to wrap your fish and chips in…”. Up here in Canada, the CBC got so bad not even the lefties would watch it. They often dip into the… Read more »

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Damn. Does that mean I should reconsider that S-star subscription? Kidding.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Who are the dishonest men among the right? Anyone who avoids talking about mass immigration transforming the West for the worse, along with race realism. An honest man of the right can also talk about other topics, but mass immigration should be the foundation of it all.

TomA
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TomA

Once upon a time, in a high functioning real-life community, the grifter would get his ass kicked (literally) the minute he cruised into town and tried out his con. That was (and is) the healthy and natural response to any predatory invasion. And it used to be laudatory to implement that remedy openly in the public square and was attended by many strong young men of honor in the community, but alas that is no longer PC. Grifting is on the rise because it is rewarded rather than punished. Commonsense 101.

Member

Bring back the stocks!

Lineman
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Lineman

Bring back the Community Brother 😉

Member

Hell, you forgot about the “old” communications of the standard telephone. Our phones have been rendered near useless as Indian scammers call billions of phones every hour with spoofed caller ID. The scams they run are for everything from people looking for work to pretending to be the IRS or FBI. They even target things like dog walking apps. A nurse walking dogs to earn extra money was recently the victim of one of these scams stealing every nickel in her bank account. Let’s not forget identity theft. Some bank gives some person money in your name and then YOU… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Same with illegals working with stolen SSNs. The government could have put an end to it yesterday. They choose not to.

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

Don’t even answer the home landline anymore–it is nothing but scams. Anyone that needs to reach me has my mobile.

Member

Mobile is just as bad these days. It’s supposed to be illegal, but then again, so is impersonating the FBI and the IRS.

3g4me
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3g4me

Depends on my mood. If I’m particularly surly, I’ll answer the phone to get my rage on – I’ll use ethnic slurs and tell them they’re ugly. If I’m fairly mellow, I’ll just answer the phone and put it down while they talk into space. Waste their time. I tried blowing a whistle into the phone but it just wasn’t loud enough over the wire but drove my son crazy at our end. I rarely get scammer calls on my cell because I never answer it – it’s for texts or for me to call people I know.

Member

I still answer my phone for the scammers. I figure the robo-calls are virtually costless to them, but every minute one of their live reps spends on the phone with someone costs them money. So, if I’ve got a little time to kill, I’ll string them along for a while. It’s great being retired.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

You’re describing media. It’s what they do. Now everyone can be media thanks to the Internet.

ExNativeSon
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ExNativeSon

I grew up with Uncle Walt intoning “And that’s the way it is” at the end of his 22 minute newscasts. In my family the tiny TV we had in the dining room was ONLY used for Uncle Walt and dinner time was was timed precisely to start when Uncle began his nightly religious sermon on objective Reality. To this day my mother shakes her head and longs for the past when people only had 3 objective news shows in which to have reality stamped into their brain. Interestingly enough just yesterday I was in a van of goodwhites when… Read more »

Carl B.
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Carl B.

A van full of sheep-brained Goodwhites going over the precipice a la Thelma & Louise is a good metaphor for the FUSA..

Compsci
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Compsci

My thought also on Z-man being the ultimate grifter of the folk here—except what/who/how is he grifting? The folk here are—in the main—quite up to snuff on the politics and basis of the DR. Some even partake of the same meetings and events Z-man keeps us informed upon. Hard to imagine Z-man could grift without a hew and cry in our commentary. No, we’re here because Z-man is the real thing and we’ll stay here until something better replaces him. 😉

ExNativeSon
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ExNativeSon

Compsci:
It was just a thought about “what if the guy discussing con men is the ultimate conman.” I mean he charges $5 a month for subscription so he must have a master plan of getting rich.

I would not be be here if I thought that was true. Just a joke and I hope to meet Z IRL sometime.

Bartleby the Scrivner
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Bartleby the Scrivner

Interesting post at ncrenegade.com regarding January 20 in Virginia, dated Dec 29.

Sorry to be a buzz kill, but for the life of me I can’t understand why “our side” continues to try and kick the football.

Check out the comments as well.

Exile
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Exile

This fits with a piece I’m grinding on this week for website rollout re: how “pathological altruism” is related to scale (site coming soon, have the infrastructure in place, grinding content). Short version – social input overload causes a PTSD-like response, making us disregard or even reverse our normal threat response to Outsiders. After enough over-exposure, we start treating our family & friends like strangers and taking candy and supplements from actual Strangers like Cenobite-ovitch. The unique demands of modern living force our psycho-social brains which evolved for smallish clan-tribal groups of 150 or so to process exponentially more strangers… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Your Dunbar number approach is interesting.

I find “pathological compassion” a more accurate term because the people demonstrating their “altruism,” for example, importing refugees or making blacks unprosecutable, often do not bear the burden of these “altruistic” acts.

My short explanation is that since at least WW2, our uniquely trusting white nature has been weaponized by the elite to anathematize anyone who questions xenophilia. Our elites feel more concealed in a world like the Star Wars bar scene and they force this on us.

Yves Vannes
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The depressing part of this, whether we call it altruism or compassion, when kept in-house – the ability to sacrifice or sublimate selfish needs for others outside of their immediate kinship circle…is what made our civilization so extraordinary. We built an unmatched commons that became the gravitational center of our societies. The people most naturally predisposed this way are the very ones who may not make it to the other side of our present troubles. The scum who did this to many of the gentlest of our race need to pay a very severe price for this war crime.

Range Front Fault
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Range Front Fault

Great take on tracing the roots of pathological altruism and how in an over crowded world it is triggered and expressed. Would appreciate your occasional writings on speculating how our 10,000 BC hard wiring is going haywire in the post-modern over populated world. “Permission to Hate again would be the most kind and loving gift we could give each other this holiday season.” Sure is tempting. I substitute the word Anger. Deep Hate can consume my brain with …..rage…then that’s all I see. Would prefer from experience to remain in the state of Deep Awareness of the poz with a… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

You don’t need to hate, you just need to love. Love yourself and your’s more than others and theirs. That and a logical mind will guide you in your interactions with others not of kith and kin.

Gravity Denier
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Gravity Denier

RFF, bless you for recognizing the overpopulation factor. In my view, overpopulation (which is present today in varying degrees everywhere, not just Africa) is upstream from pathological altruism. Too many people in our immediate environment forces us to shut down direct compassion because we would need so much of it we couldn’t function. So we settle for symbolic altruism — the Other race/ethnicity/migrant/victim because they’re separate enough that we can let in just a small tug on our emotions.

ExNativeSon
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ExNativeSon

RFF:
How can you live in the great state of Utah and not be filled with altruism no matter what it costs you and yours?

Your governor and senators are literally begging for more vibrancy from what I hear.

You just need to lie back and think of England….er Utah…..or something. Get with the program, young lady!!!!!

Exile
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Exile

Range – I use “hate” tongue-in-cheek, of course. In a serious vein, I’d call it “ambivalence,” well short of outright anger. We just need to recognize that Others aren’t like Us, that most interactions with the Weird to Us are going to turn out poorly, and that both cultures need to limit their contacts to their respective fringes. As for those of us natural H8ers, we’re both more emotional and more iconoclastic than normies. Live-and-let-lives don’t get a fire in their belly about Others. Nor do libertarian spergs, for all their iconoclasm. It takes a balanced combination of giving a… Read more »

ExNativeSon
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ExNativeSon

Exile:
I look forward to your website.

I just hope it does not mean you will not being imparting your always interesting insights on this site.

Best of luck.

Jeraboa
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Jeraboa

So what’s the explanation for close knit ghetto Communities that kick the everloving shit out of a paddy like me for so much as trespassing on their side of the street? Do you think a Degos Dunbar number is 200? That’s like the size of a Latinos immediate family. Pathological altruism is what you get from virtue signaling free-range females with zero in group preferences seeking approval and getting that dopamine rush from helping child-like foreigners get into their countries so they can rape other feline fetish females. The beta orbiters helping them are the real traitors, they sell us… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Jer: The ghetto-clan-gang is the Dunbar Number expressing itself despite the counter-signalling, exactly what I’m saying about past cities where that kind of territorial pissing was the norm. At Scandza Oslo, Dr. Nyborg talked about the greater clannishness of “Meds” like Spaniards, Greeks, So. Frenchmen and Italians, as well as Slavs, KMac and Ed Dutton acknowledged this as well. This is likely an evolutionary-cultural response to historic Mediterranean urbanization, and it’s something Euros would do well to take into account re: immigration and how and where to roll it back. North Euros like Scandis, Finns and Icelanders are particularly vulnerable… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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In a civilization ruled by parasites, half-wits, malicious outsiders, suck-ups, flim-flam artists, credentialed morons and want-to-be martyrs…carnies and con men are doing us a favor. Anything that rots away public trust in the public square is driving us closer to that final straw. I understand the desire for some ray of hope, some stability, but what would that yield? A slow-down not a reverse. The sooner we can hit a critical pivot point the better. Putting that off by trying to slow the rot will simply put our children and grandchildren in a weaker and even more difficult position than… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

YY – I’m with you. We’re approaching turning points in terms of social scale, ideology and our physical infrastructure. Big changes are inevitable, necessary and overdue, and preparing Our Guys for them is Job One. Instead of seeing our “White Flight” to the hinterlands as a retreat, I think we will eventually serve as examples of how to do modernity the right way. The beauty of tech (divorced from its dark side) is that it allows us to live in lower-density, more homogenous communities, sharing critical and useful information, goods and services without over-stepping on each other’s cultural toes.

Compsci
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Compsci

Here, here. Well said.

Mikep
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Mikep

Surely a true con man knows perfectly well that he’s a fraud. If someone like Cernovich ackually believes his own lies he has successfully conned himself and becomes his own mark.

greyenlightenment
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> Today that often means claiming the big bad tech companies are censoring them.

Are they not to some degree. Some people have lost their twitter and or YouTube accounts.. One day day everything is fine and then one by one things get shut down. Once one service gets closed, the odds increase for others. You lose your twitter. Then maybe youtube. Then paypal. Then patreon.

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

The biggest grifter of them all remains Professor Harold Hill, with Lyle Lanley coming in a close second.

G Lordon Giddy
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G Lordon Giddy

We must also include the carny show in DC. Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Nadler could be dressed in carnival clothes and sent off across America with touring trailers in tow. Even Trump while he is a disrupter and the man who pulled back the curtain he is also all about himself and his own greatest show. Trump is kind of a carnival barker character with his gold plated casinos. I agree that the more regular Americans see what we have become the better it is and the closer we are to real change. By the way Z’s weirdo column from a… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

I suspect, the “plan” is basically to reduce White strength until it can no longer be a determining factor, but not to destroy it, leaving a balance of competing minority interests which can then be set against each other and manipulated rather more easily by such (((folk))).

greyenlightenment
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These alt-lite orgs attract the low/average-IQ types with a lot of disposable income. it’s a good niche which is why you see so much of it. The left attracts the either the very wealthy (such as in regard to Scientology and other leftist cults) or the poor and crazy.

Mark Stoval
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Mark Stoval

“The mark then lowers his defenses and foolishly trusts the con man, rather than his own natural skepticism.” — Z-Man I agree of course, but have trouble understanding people who fall for these things. My bank card tried to contact me over a charge that looked suspicious. I refused to even talk to them. I turned around and dialed the number imprinted on my card to report fraud . I told them that I was contacted and they handled the situation. They told me that they really had tried to call me and we handled the suspicious charge. Someone in… Read more »

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

The elderly are trusting because they grew up in an entirely different world where people were neighborly and helped each other out. I remember in the EIGHTIES the local cops going around and warning folks that Gypsies were travelling through, running roofing and paving scams targeting the elderly. Can you imagine that happening today? Hate Crime City!

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

Totally right, Return. I deal with the elderly and older people, and you also have to consider that those older than 55-60 are especially vulnerable to cyber crime because the Digital Age came into being during their middle age.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

I don’t necessarily believe it’s age. Our dad worked on Univac and was great with computers. Yet some of my siblings are virtual Luddites. I’m the human Help Desk and IT Crowd rolled into one. Go figure.

Compsci
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Compsci

Certainly how one is raised has a lot to do with it. But I also believe one’s chronological age plays an important part, perhaps the most. Folk just begin to mentally deteriorate and become more susceptible to such scams. Strangers, but also commonly relatives, take all sorts of advantages of aged parents and such. Scares me as I get older.

Lineman
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Lineman

It’s because as we age we revert back to a more childlike state and become more trusting which is why you need a good Community to get older in or the very least have your kids close..

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Felix_Krull

In one of the first Danish The Olsen Gang-movies from the early seventies, the protagonist is in love with his parole officer. In one shot, he enters the police station to meet her, and having used a real police station, you get a quick look at the sign outside. One of the floors houses “Justice Department, Office for Supervision of Gypsies.”

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

While I didn’t know that about Cernovich, and frankly don’t really care to learn anything about him, it wasn’t a surprise. He always had a grifter vibe in the few appearances I caught. I think we are seeing with some of those who globbed onto the Dissident Right the same as we saw with the Buckleyites. Younger, truly committed Dissidents are calling out the faux or at least spurious Dissidents right along with the Buckleyites. So as a result you have Cernovich going after the Alt-Right, the entirety of the Dissident Right snubbing Richard Spencer, and Vox Day and Milo… Read more »

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You MUST read this. Amazement and disgust were my reactions. The consummate confidence man.

https://www.amazon.com/Carnie-Kid-Tells-All/dp/B002FTG7RO/ref=sr_1_95?keywords=Carnie&qid=1577654967&s=books&sr=1-95

Jeraboa
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Jeraboa

maybe we’ll find out who’s a con man and who’s not, who’s a fed and who’s not if the shooting starts. But the the IRA was thoroughly infiltrated and managed its political aims. Had breakfast with my son this morning, it was nice to have him back, in the middle of our discussion it occurred to me that sanctuary city politicians may be compromised by cartels, makes sense that they use their political cause to keep Ms13 migrants out of the hands of ICE. When the Mobs ran things back in the long long ago they had the politicians in… Read more »

SamlAdams
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SamlAdams

You may not be far off the mark, Sparky. Meets the Occam test.

Anon
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Anon

“Our thing” is filled with unscrupulous self-promoters monetizing anguish and victimhood. Woe-is-Me-Give-Generously schemes have been common on our side since Kekistani days. Remember Based Stickman? Laura Loomer? Gavin McInnes? With so many of us yearning for a providential avenger who will give Leftists the business, the conditions are ripe for grifters to swoop in and bridge the cognitive dissonance between outrage and powerlessness with the out of the vicarious struggle, wherein people give money to oily mountebanks to allay the guilt of their own inaction. It is remarkable the truly astonishing ideological mutations some of these clout chasers can undergo… Read more »

Whiskey
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Whiskey

You’ve all seen the City Journal Christopher Caldwell article about the French Coming Apart. Its from 2017 but apt for America. The French author Guilluy posits a metropolitan: London, NYC, Paris, SF and periphery (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Tulsa, Baltimore) model of elites and the former working/middle White class pushed into ever greater poverty and despair and minority discriminated status. These con men and grifters seem from the Metropolitan class. There is not a Corsican corporal or Tsarist police informer among them. No doubt that is why these grifters are tolerated and encouraged. They are weirdos, incapable of organizing and leading the… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Stay safe, Z Man. “Baltimore Succeeds In Breaking Murder Record Of The Century”

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/12/29/baltimore-succeeds-breaking-murder-record-century/

Curse those Democrats for making Baltimore so unsafe! A Republican who offered tax incentives to inner city entrepreneurs could fix this problem in no time!

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

Sorry to be a bit dated here. Just don’t follow a lot of the current so-called dissident ” representatives ” . Although did catch that Milo once. Kind of sad how desperate we become to find a representative in such an obvious grifter and freak show. Glenn Beck was my wake up call to the fact con men were going going to hitch their wagon to our cause and make as much money as possible. Have to admit Ben Shapiro was appealing until he decloaked as a “Never Trumper” And that’s the thing. The left will continue to send over… Read more »

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
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Yes. Having said Yes; Beware of infighting. This is how the enemy rules. Also how the enemy Wars; we are on top to an extent in the parts of Syria and Iraq we want because the State Deep or not excels at promoting infighting and sowing chaos amongst its foes, this is how 1000 Americans in Intel/Diplomacy (same animals, different stripes) and SOF dominate. *How the Deep State is already winning* If your essential nature is something you seek to turn that to strength. The American governments nature is CHAOS and they have turned this to Progressive ends foreign and… Read more »

Stina
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Stina

I know there’s a lot of atheists in these comments, but scripture has a lot of useful stuff in it for this kind of community building, policing, and grifting. Where Christianity failed is that they bought into niceness over protecting the integrity of their belief system. Basically, benefit of the doubt reigns supreme, but testing everything said against already hard learned truth is one of the only ways to deal with unknown grifters. When confronted or held to account for lies, if they adjust to the truth, keep ’em until they don’t anymore. If they slam the truth because it… Read more »

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