The other day, the YouTube pioneer RamZPaul posted something on Twitter that generated a lot of responses and not all of them positive. The tweet was a link to a story about the arrest of someone calling himself Augustus Sol Invictus. Paul added a bit of commentary, “The former Alt Right was a movement that welcomed freaks and weirdos. The “no punch right” philosophy resulted in this.” As of this posting, the tweet had 133 replies and over one thousand likes.
Not all of the responses were positive, of course. Members of the subculture, in which people calling themselves Augustus Sol Invictus are welcome, were unhappy with Paul’s take on the matter. The general theme of the negative reactions is that Paul is ”punching right” and that this guy claiming to be a 2000 year old Roman Emperor needs to be defended. In other words, drinking goat’s blood and claiming to be a Roman emperor are not unforgivable acts in that subculture.
It probably does not need to be said, but Paul is correct. A person who has legally changed his name to that of a Roman emperor and is regularly issuing royal decrees on Twitter, needs mental help, not a political career. He’s also running for president, when he is not drinking goat’s blood in pagan rituals. The normal response to such things is to assume the person is mentally ill. Even if he is not a danger to himself or others, he should not be included in anything serious.
Paul is also correct to point out that the alt-right collapsed under the weight of these sorts of weirdos. There were so many oddballs and crazies flying the alt-right flag at one point, their enemies were spoiled for choice. The far-left media could just keep plucking these characters out and putting their profile out there on-line. In fairness, most of the people attracted to the alt-right were perfectly normal, but that’s not what the public saw when the alt-right was showcased in the mass media.
This is a problem that all outsider politics faces. The weirdo problem was not unique to the alt-right. Anyone who has attended a Libertarian Party event knows that movement has had a weirdo problem for generations. The environmental movement has had a similar problem. Most people are happy to support conservation efforts, for example, but when they see some nut dressed as an elf, demanding everyone give up their cars, they assume he and the movement are crazy.
There are two reasons outsider politics is plagued with weirdos. One is they are always going to be the most open to newcomers. They are trying to boost their numbers, so they are never going to be too picky about people coming into their thing. Even if the new people have odd ideas, the assumption is they will learn the new politics and eventually fit in. You see this with the White Nationalists, who spend a lot of time indoctrinating one another in the ways of the subculture.
The other reason for the weirdo problem is there are a lot of weirdos in a big society like America, so supply can easily overwhelm a new movement. These weirdos are always looking for a home, so as soon as something gets going, they are attracted to it like moths to a flame. Since new political movements are disorganized and chaotic at first, they have no way to ward off the weirdos. The alt-right was swamped by people whose reality was formed by fantasy literature and video games.
That is the lesson of the alt-right, one that the successor operations like Casey’s American Identity Movement have learned. Rather than try and attract the biggest crowd possible in the shortest time possible, the goal is to focus on high quality people, who can grow local chapters organically. It’s not as fun as trolling people on Twitter, but it limits the number of weirdos entering the movement. It is much harder to be August Sol Invictus in real life than on-line.
Of course, the main issue with outsider politics is that they usually form up around a complaint or a list of complaints. If the Roman emperor and the accountant have the same complaints they can end up in the same camp. At that point the accountant rethinks his position and moves along. In other words, a negative identity opens the doors for anyone who has those grievances. Often, it rewards the extremists at the expense of the sober minded.
That is the key to any successful movement in the age of democracy. The default is always going to be the shared reality of the society. The people who control the public space, can therefore always be the default position. In order to combat that the outsiders have to have a positive identity that can be both defended, but also advocated to normal people. The trick for outsiders is to remain in the realm of the acceptable while challenging the prevailing orthodoxy.
That can only be achieved by having rules and standards. This gets back to what Paul pointed out in his tweet. “A man that drinks blood and thinks he is literally a Roman Emperor is probably not my first choice for leadership material.” When the standard means presenting a respectable face to a skeptical public, lunatics drinking goat’s blood are never embraced as part of that public face. Instead they are kept in the background so they cannot cause trouble.
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Well, the weirdo problem as Z describes it is kind of a large phenomenon, one that can’t be fully assessed in one crappy little blog comment from one crappy little individual. But here is at least a relevant slice of analysis. We have a gigantic social and political problem, and a problem with weirdos, partly because: 1. Nobody under age 30 in this country has an actual, personal, vivid memory of America ever having been a normal healthy actual country, which it once was. I am only in my early 50s, but even as late as my early 30s America… Read more »
This is one of those -really- clarifying posts that come up here every so often that just distills the pure essence of our general malaise in a short and concise way. You can’t care about something if you had no idea you ever had it in the first place. All the things you listed above, sad as it is, are being purposefully buried and in another generation they will be as alien as those old photos from the 1950s of all white families out together in public spaces doing wholesome things that seem so quaint today. I was at a… Read more »
Apex. Yep, and I’m older than you I suspect. However, burning all down is not a plan most normies will accept or understand as allegory. Rather, I believe we are here to analyze and understand the root causes of the decline. For example, diversity. Put a stop to that—and some other root causes, and I believe a natural return to such times as you describe would be a natural process among the people.
As to that bigger problems, making the US into a functional nation will require that you run it in a very authoritarian manner for many many decades. This has nothing to do with the multicultural nonsense though that of course contributes . Its just as the moral character of the US is corrupt and has been since its founding, It works well enough with a Continent to explore, conquer and hell exploit but its unfit for a fully developed nation or any interconnected world. Fundamentally no one has had any sense of the greater good in many decades nor in… Read more »
I grew up in Potomac in the 90s in one of the first county-mandated low income neighborhoods. The area was about 30％ each Jewish, Asian, and White as late as 2000. Few POC and no mass transit allowed. They were almost all hypocritical wealthy cloud people with an axe to grind against dirt people and America in general. They deserve every bit of this. Still, it’s depressing to witness the extirpation of a community which used to hold Fox Hunts and maintain other local traditions well into this Millennial’s lifetime. The remnant is quickly disembarking or passing away. Leave them… Read more »
Many of us saw a vote for Trump as very specifically a vote to “burn it all down.”
As a sampler, a few very quick things which you can actually do TODAY, right now, in less than three hours, to improve your cultural health and stability. Think of it as like going to the gym, but in your mind. Try it yourself, or better yet, get a young person to try it… 1. Listen to Mozart’s “Piano Concerto No. 23 in A Major.” A calm, careful, non-hysterical masterpiece of serenity. Some people say this is the music you hear at the gates of Heaven. Takes less than 30 minutes. And, nota bene: it was a White guy who… Read more »
Thank you for reminding us that it is critically important to periodically refresh ourselves spiritually, and that the beautiful, sublime, and transcendent continue to exist despite everything our (?) current culture and “elites” would have us believe. In the same vein, here are some videos from a person calling himself Asha Logos. First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpexd9GA7RA “A Short Journey Through Time: The Western Aesthetic” Also, “Never Forget” https://youtu.be/bS4JXh22YCA The creator’s comments accompanying this video are as follows: A journey back in time…Before […] big-pharma, before big-tech, before enforced multiculturalism. I see healthy bodies, upright postures, warm and genuine smiles, sincere happiness. I… Read more »
I see healthy bodies, upright postures, warm and genuine smiles, sincere happiness. I see a sense of community and brotherhood, a resonance, a sense that one’s friends and neighbors were essentially an extended family, and that all were working together towards the greater good.
Thanks MikeC when I talk about building Communities that’s what I want our future to look like…
Good comment. This dovetails with one of the themes I comment on here, which is that the path to success more likely lies with taking over the Republican party and/or forcing it to the right than with a dissident movement. Much of this is going to happen as a matter of natural evolution as changing demographics force whites out of the Democratic party. The Blue states and cities are a lost cause, but the Red states are not. One of the most effective things the dissident right could do would be to get active in the Republican primary process. Every… Read more »
Disciplined primary voting could work in some places if we had a way of converging support on the most right wing candidate that could win the general election. I could see some organizations putting together voter guides for this purpose, and volunteering get-out-the-vote efforts for the primaries. But only a separate dissident movement would ever provide the financing and leadership for something like this.
Any viable plan would have to anticipate and effectively deal with the hostile responses of the local establishment Republicans.
This is 100% wrong. There is no future for dissidents to work their way up the GOP ladder. It has an extremely fine tuned system that expells any new foreign entity that tries to enter it.
If politics is 5o be changed by taking over a political party, the way to do it is from the left. The barrier for entry is almost non-existent.
I worked for the GOP for decades, my mom for almost 5 decades.
Spot on analysis, one of the best I’ve read in a very long time. In regards to point #2. I do believe the dumbing down of the curriculum was deliberate and was mandated at the highest levels. They wanted a intellectually crippled population of consumers. Point #3 is so very spot on. What’s happened between the sexes is twisted beyond all recognition. It’s so toxic. It’s not anything like I experienced growing up in the 70’s. BTW if you want to see what we don’t teach our children compared to what we used to, go purchase a Appleton or McGuffy… Read more »
please stick around. That was a hell of a post. As to something Apex Predator said, even as a young man and I’m around our hosts age, the 1950’s and so on seemed weird to me. Its going to be nigh impossible to resurrect something like that. This is because the technology of the internet and smart phones magnifies the fad/ass culture aspect of mass culture and makes it happen faster, 5 Years of hula hoops becomes 1 Month of Tide Pod Challenge Short of shutting down the internet and smart phones you can’t stop the signal only slow it.… Read more »
I want DE to be my new BFF.
Another possible reason that weirdos work their way to the front is two-fold: they are people who have a sense of terrified urgency, “we have to fix this RIGHT NOW” and they are not willing to put in the long term work. The Left didn’t come out of the gate with tranny story hours and kill whitey. They’ve worked on this project since at least the 1950’s, and arguably longer in the background. Think about your own journey to this side of the river. Did it take an afternoon? It’s taken me eight years to get here. The average person… Read more »
You don’t have the kind of time or monetary resources on your side the enemy did. In another fifty years, people of European ancestry will either be a physically persecuted minority on the road to being physically exterminated either through violence or forced interbreeding, or a combination of the two. You may think this is absurd but you now have Jews like Eric Kaufmann creeping towards this. The idea that you can just do some kind of long march through the institutions or any of this other kind of sneaky strategy where you get the vapors anytime anyone gives any… Read more »
Gorp, We are all aware of the demographic and cultural onslaught we’re facing. You clearly fall into the category of “war to the knife now!” vs. the “build communities, physical and other.” I understand your frustration and somewhat see your point. Anyone who isn’t deeply troubled with Our People’s likely future is asleep (you’ll not find those here). I guess, and forgive me if I’m surmising incorrectly, your point would be to strike now whilst whites are a majority? My first question to you is what exact percentage of whites do you think will come rallying to your revolt? Most… Read more »
What is your plan, GORP? Time is short, we need ideas now. Please share them.
If you don’t have a coherent answer, you’re just playing at fed-posting. Share it or save the criticism.
The weirdos are the canaries in the coal mine. They usually see the shit storm coming long before others do. That said, the Left even as far back as the GD had intellectual buy in from academics, the upper class and professionals such as teachers. And the Left just kept growing during WWII and beyond. By the 1950’s they were already powerful, in control of Hollywood and the MSM to a large extent. Academia was already in their pocket. We are so far behind the power curve it’s not even funny. We don’t have that sort of buy in nor… Read more »
Not “punching right” isn’t the only problem in outsider movements. Another is just too much “punching each other.” You see people on the same side fighting each other all the time just because the people they actually hate are well-ensconced behind castle walls (you’re never going to see Soros, you’ll just see his foot soldiers, the junkies, flunkies, ghetto trash and apolitical people who just got bussed here from over the rainbow happy to make a couple more dollars an hour). Personal example: there’s a guy here I know who’s a mainstream conservative, reads dumb D’Souza books and worries about… Read more »
You have to learn to be on the same team with people you don’t like is my point. This is correct, in my view, but it manifest differently in a positive identity group than in a negative identity group. The negative group has to live with the guy drinking goat’s blood, because they share the common enemy. In the positive group everyone feels a duty to one another and avoids common mistakes like changing your name to that of a Roman emperor and drinking goat’s blood. The negative group has to preach tolerance, while the positive group promotes fraternity and… Read more »
Another post with a practical and useful message. It seems obvious — ditch the weirdos to attract the sober minded– but in practice it is obviously not so easy. Having been to a few SF conventions I can testify that there are a lot of weirdos out there looking for a place to call home. What Z-man calls our side of the great divide should not be that home. Recruiting support from sane people is paramount, having weirdos as front men kills the recruiting drive dead. As always, good one Z-man
The problem is that people who are not weirdos aren’t going to appear in the media advocating their positions. The media needs dancing monkeys. Since nobody who has a good reputation, a job, a family etc is going to dance on cue for them, they end up presenting weirdos as representatives of the target of their hit pieces.
The commies were able to control this really well. It helped that they had allies in most of the media, but they also did a really good job keeping weirdos out of the spotlight.
The commies didn’t have the same problems that say, Amren has. Commies were generally free to organize without much hassle. Amren cant rent a hotel room, or keep a credit card processor. OTOH the commies were smarter about their messaging than the DR. Openly commie messaging was not welcome and would be subjected to hostile MSM coverage, those of us of a certain age remember this. Yet the commies were never too proud to camouflage themselves and their messging within the labor movement, the enviromental movement, the peace movement- all vehicles which allowed them to pursue (euphemisms for) communism lite… Read more »
Amren and many others are attention gaining intellectuals. They want to demonstrate to each other how smart they are. They are not interested real life victories. This is the reason why Amren was thrown out from Hungary and Poland. Both countries have working pro white movements and they do not want to turn movements into little intellectual echo chamber, full of purity, taboos and dogmas.
I agree. You might as well come out as a pedophile to openly advocate for whitey. Re-framing issues as civil rights might give you some degree of shield for people. But don’t underestimate how evil the MSM is. If you try pushing “equality” by not hating whitey, the MSM will frame as white supremacy. We need to simply stop using the word white. European is just as good in that it captures most of what we would consider white. People are just too conditioned to be repulsed by the term white. It gets rid of the “artificial construction” argument against… Read more »
The Civil Rights movement narrative cast them in the roles of the faithful keepers of Constitutional and American values, their opponents as barely human racists who denied constitutional rights to blacks. They wrapped themselves in the flag, the Declaration (all men are created equal) and the Constitution. It was Apple Pie and baseball vs. race realism. Race realism lost. Bigly. Tens of millions of gringos bought the narrative of equal opportunity and social equality = American values. And will do so again IF given the opportunity. As of now neither Democrats nor Repulicans speak to whitey like we need defending,… Read more »
Your rant would be readable if broken up into 4-5 paragraphs. As it is I’ll skip it.
MichaelOh: Your point is very well taken. If the red pill is too hard to swallow undiluted, then by all means let’s mix with generally well tolerated medications, eg “civil rights,” “the environment,” “the peace movement” etc. And absolutely the labor movement, that is maybe the best and most productive of all. The joke, of course, is that these more acceptable faces of “our side” are actually and legitimately faces of “our side.” (not sure what a good term is for “our side ATM.) The “peace movement” for example can be interpreted as “no more pointless foreign wars.” We need… Read more »
Tars— on the bright side the era of mass media is over, and the internet is much more tolerant of characters. It’s working its way out as more people become uncomfortable and look elsewhere for answers. This is happening in spite of censorship, although slower than it would have. Even facebook and twitter aren’t as monolithic as they used to be. As others have said politics is downstream from culture. Maybe authentically ‘colorful’ people will be trusted with power. Maybe Trump is a harbinger of that. I just wish the process wasn’t taking so long.
Another problem is, not thinking about this Sol guy, that in some cases it is hard to tell if people are nuts or just very far ahead of the Overton window. If people had said that this will end with children on dangerous hormone therapy for saying to a teacher that they are of the opposite gender, when gay marriage was first discussed, many would have called them crazy. Yet here we are. If criteria for admission are too open, you get ‘Roman emperors’. If they are too conventional you get Conservative Inc. It’s a balance, and keeping score w… Read more »
In my small life, my small circle of influence, I’ve been called crazy. Then years later told I was right, BUT what I’m saying now is crazy. I chalk it up to the inherent conservatism of self interest. Don’t want to call it fear of change. It makes people less discerning if conventional and less discriminating if radical. Anyway that’s an incomplete thought, sorry.
There is a core issue of some depth here and that is that normal thinking and normal IQ people cannot tell the difference between profundity and noise. A very advanced, intricate pattern can look like noise. For an intuitive example, look at a low resolution newspaper photo very closely, it’s just big black and white dots. At distance it’s a picture. For those mathematically inclined, take something like Euler’s identity, often called the most beautiful equation in math. It’s a real wow moment when you see why it’s true b/c it combines the 5 most important constants or numbers, in… Read more »
“Perfect people” do not make revolution. Revolution is always weirdo thing. Decent people with family and career and house and children have too much to do and too much to lose to involve pro white activities. Polish nationalism success is not good optics but drunk football fans, incels and other people who have nothing to lose and who do not give a shit..Normal people came on board only after weirdos made certain issues acceptable.
The problem is the Left also has a wierdo problem – see Drag Queen Story Hour, and The Squad, and they are also unable to get rid of them, including when Omar said anti-Semitic things in a speech, they couldn’t come up with anything condemning her, but only a generic anti-hate resolution. But 25 Jewish Democratic reps wrote something condemning Trump. The left embrace and celebrate their wierdos. The Libertarians just smile politely at their wierdos like they are smiled at by normal people when they bring up Rand and Rothbard. Then are the Tech Titans literally drinking Teenager’s blood… Read more »
You danced around a possible solution to this problem of clown world weirdness without directly stating it. Maybe because it seems so obvious. This is a multi-front war yet we concentrate on the political and the demographic. Our enemies rule the roost because they won the culture war first. Even if they suffer a setback in the political battle and demographic battle they still control the culture and can keep their powder dry for another day. And still be effective. A couple of days ago Z suggested creating our own literature. There are others in our movement who are on… Read more »
Sorry, but not good enough. Just retiring to the sidelines and hoping that the plague skirts your village is not going to cut it when the jackboots show up. Human were built to move, adapt quickly, and prevail against long odds. That means fight back (literally). And there’s a smart way to do so.
I don’t see this as retiring to the side lines. It’s removing ourselves from a civilization that is beyond redemption and not worth the effort to even try. It’s so corrupted and decayed that trying to save it would drag us down into the muck. We build something better in its place. Not from a position of weakness and hiding but from a position that except for the early stages would be too much trouble to attempt to crush. We have more people than you think already. They will come after us. Make the price very very very steep and… Read more »
Do you think a succession of governments determined to kill you off by any means necessary is going to let you make your “communities” and not just trash them with forced migration of foreign and alien peoples, and then forced integration of schools and other aspects of life? How well’s that working in America right now where people moved one exit down the highway and built new towns and cities after 1965? How well did it work for the Volga Germans (like the Amish/Menonites) under the Soviet Union? What means do you have to make the price steep? Less than… Read more »
I suggest you work on your reading comprehension. I never even implied such a thing.
Unless you actually believe our institutions are salvageable? 90% of what came out of the Enlightenment is deadwood. Goodbye and Good Riddance.
It doesn’t matter if they’re salvagable or not. What matters is that they still exist and as long as these hostile elites hold power they will not allow you to simply build your communities and do your own thing.
People are already doing it. We’ve been escaping to the suburbs since the 50s. Now people are beginning to do with with more purpose. Whites are accelerating their exit from places like California (I’m one of them) and moving to whiter areas. And it’s not the Californiacation of other state like it was back in the 90s and early aughts. There are a lot of guys in and outside of our thing building communities in the Rockies, Cascadia, the South, the Plains, the Mid-West, the Great Lakes, New England and many other places. And they have a loose network connecting… Read more »
Again, the point is that you have no means to prevent the government from dumping Somalis and other human refuse into your new location. So you will run, run, run to the next location each generation until you are a huddling, scared little mass afraid to utter a peep in your own defense and vociferously denounce anyone who does as a weirdo. “These Are Not Our Values” and I better nod my head if I want to keep any comfortable life going. It’s just sad. You’re not willing to challenge power or show solidarity in any way so it’s all… Read more »
GORP – what’s your solution? How do we “fight?” How do you propose to “challenge power?”
GORP – all of us talking about communities here have to deal with this objection in almost every thread. For the 1000th time, we are not talking about monasticism – this isn’t a “retreat.” We’re coming together to fight, not to hide. You don’t win the war with nothing but scattered guerillas, lone wolves and eccentric sh*tposters. You’re not going to form some kind of urban militia in the middle of Chicago and take the fight to the streets. This chest-beating about our “cowardice” never comes with any alternative plan, much less one that makes sense. Real revolution requires a… Read more »
The Left and the Orcs will not leave us alone to do own thing. The DR is seriously deluding itself of they think a bunch of evil-insane ruling class whites and their Orc tools won’t go Mugabe on the DR “white communities” There is no peaceful co-existence with them. Historically the Left proves this time and again. Worse, their leaders have made that abundantly clear they want us dead and gone. Remember who their ideological ancestors are Stalin, Mao and Mugabe. So they mean it. So rolling on our collective backs and offering up our bellies to them won’t save… Read more »
RwC – I’m still waiting to hear your alternative plan. Who do we fight, how, when, where?
If what we’re doing is “rolling on our backs,” how should we “stand up?”
You never answer this question. I’ve been asking for weeks.
Put some cards on the table. This empty black-pilling and pseudo-fed-posting gets us nowhere.
YY – another great comment. Count me as a guy who sees lifestyle, literature and other arts & culture as upstream from politics. It sounds Breitbart-trite nowadays but it’s an iron law that bears repetition unto triteness. Politics may be more “important” than some silly story, movie or song, but you won’t get people engaged in this “more important” work unless they are committed on something deeper than a dry intellectual level. Outside of Ayn Rand, what libertarian art or fiction inspires anyone? Where is a concrete, tangible, citable vision of what their vision of NAP-iness is? Rand for all… Read more »
I think the wrong lesson was learned. The real lesson is that the media is able to hunt out these weirdos, elevate them and then the dumbest and craziest people start following them and then the media takes their creation and presents them as leaders in dissident movements and uses their following as proof. The media treats these people as leaders and uses them for quotes in their hit pieces. This alone tends to elevate their visibility. Being media whores is the one thing they all have in common.
Correct, TT. I’m no expert on dissident politics but I know the key players… or so I thought. Never heard of this Roman General guy before.
I had heard of him a few years ago. Chris Cantwell was talking about him during the Charlottesville trials. Cantwell, of course, is just as bad.
Invictus is just continuing the traditional ways of “Florida man”…
It is ironic that a new political movement that wants to be mainstream should have to eschew weirdos, because that’s what a large portion of our politicians and bureaucrats are…weirdos.
When you are at the top of the hill, your margin of error is much bigger than the those attacking you uphill. That’s what the excuse makers for these weirdos fail to grasp. In their zeal to defend a fellow weirdo – and that’s what it is – they create a false comparison. The people in charge get to stretch the definition of acceptable to suit their needs. The opposition does not have that luxury.
That’s the irony.
When you think about, the whole point of revolutionary politics is to usher in a new normal. That means the current normal must be anathematized as weird or out of date. That’s why being outlandish or crazy does not work in the long run. In the shorty run, it gets lots of attention, but when you’re asking people to choose, they will always pick the known over the bizarre.
I am still amazed that many people I personally know felt that Hillary Clinton was a stable, sensible person. Apparently, these discreet, sober-minded, reputable neighbors of mine are clueless. Another downside of democracy.
Those people are either ignorant (willfully or otherwise) of the Clinton’s history and activities or they approve of them.
Or, they just didn’t care because they supported her political stances. Sen. Ted Kennedy left a woman to die in a submerged car, but he was continually re-elected in Massachusetts and even ran for president in 1980. Being a Democrat pol is the closest thing to a get-out-of-jail card in existence. What is important to liberals is not doing the right thing, it’s saying the right thing, holding the right attitude and, if a politician, holding the right political stances. A liberal can live in blatant, diametric opposition to his supposed principles, but that’s okay because they all do. The… Read more »
A lot of that is ethnic partisanship that began with Curley and persists to this day. Remind me to tell you my Ted Kennedy and Whitey Bulger stories someday. (Not particularly amusing but indicative of the rot.)
A lot of ethnic Irish still bear a grudge against WASPs because of “no Irish need apply.” So, they vote Democrats, as if all WASPs are Republican nowadays. I wish.
First they have to invent the ” right thing” and push it on to everyone. This is the ” culture war” defining everything and excusing everything to the ” lefts” advantage. They always ask, ” is it good for the ‘left'”, then anything goes.
“The right thing” will vary from time to time, like women’s hemlines.
The left dominates the culture, media and education and can force their views on everyone.
The downside is, in a sense, not cluelessness—we all have areas of ignorance. The downside is that clueless people are given the same vote as those who are thoughtful. Such universal suffrage has yet to be proven to work in the long run. We are in the middle of a social science experiment, and it doesn’t seem to be working as predicted.
One of our commenters wrote “the strongest force in human affairs isn’t love or hate, it’s inertia.” It takes more that we might suppose to change long held assumptions.
It’s been said that liberals want to change the world, while conservatives want to be happy at home. I know from working in Republican politics that Dems are more likely to get off their rumps and work for a candidate than Republicans.
When I was in Boston not too long ago a shop had action figures of all the big Dem primary candidates (and a voodoo doll or something of Trump). “Who buys this crap”, I thought, but then again some of them were sold out.
Not even weird. Pelosi is literally terrifying looking. Z may be right that Trump just wins by default and inertia this time around. He kind of has a weird, bloated and platinumized Liberace quality to him, but he’s at least self-aware and ironic about it, has a sense of humor.
For whatever reason, Trump seems to not care about the forces arrayed against him and their constant criticism. He just keeps on going. That makes him unique. Of course, if his positions do not intersect with yours, that also makes him dangerous as well.
The vital difference between weirdos who succeed in politics and weirdos who don’t is class. The alt-right has low class weirdos. The abolitionist movement of the early 19th century was full of weirdos-but they were well heeled, upper class weirdos. The early Marxist movement which also sprang from that same milieu in the aftermath of 1848 also contained upper class weirdos (Lenin, for one).
It’s not that we need to purge weirdos, we just need to find some upper class weirdos with money to burn to support us.
Just waiting for our Bertie Wooster….
Yeah, we could use his money, but we really need Jeeves’ competence for behind the scenes manipulation.
And Aunt Dahlia to crack the whip.
I don’t know, I’m still just processing this new information that I shouldn’t be drinking goat’s blood…
I suppose that is always the problem with politics based on complaints, or what we are against. It has a certain ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ ring about it. The problem with that is that once the enemy is vanquished the movement falls apart. South Sudan is a good example. The Africans fought for nearly half a century against the Arab north, which united the tribes. Yet 2 years after independence there was a civil war between the Dinka (most dominant tribe) and the rest which is only now being wound up. That’s also why democracy won’t… Read more »
The media can name whoever they want as our leader, we have no power over that, but Ramsey Paul calling attention to a weirdo just to signal his own non-weirdoness is pointless. If anything, that kind of defensiveness just shows insecurity.
Just ignore the goat blood drinkers and move on. If somebody tries the guilt by association tactic, your natural response will be “who?”. Trying to defend against frivolous accusations is a weakness that can easily be exploited.
If one puts you on defense and off offense, there’s hundreds more weirdos to throw you off.
– Lessons Conservatives Never Learned, by Ima Idiot
My point is we can’t police the media. If they decide goat blood drinker is the new Richard Spencer there’s nothing we can do about it.
Calling each other weirdos, even if warranted, is just drama. Ignore and move on.
I understood and agree.
Forest for the trees. The number of weirdos in society (and on the planet) is growing rapidly and it has nothing to do with any particular political grouping. It is systemic to our species and not any ideology. Lifeforms have existed on Earth for about a billion years, and for most of that time, the natural environment culled “weirdos” as unfit. We now live in the age of man-made artificial environments in which fitness selection is driven by perverse memetics that favor weirdoism (as example, see trans movement). Evolution is broken, not our politics.
Evolution is broken, not our politics.
Precisely. “Broken Evolution” will “fix” itself when “survival of the fittest” becomes a meaningful term again. And it will. Until then everyone, “weirdo” or not, is playing Nero’s fiddle as fast as they can.
Edward Dutton says something similar, ‘the malignant mutants’, who would have died in childhood in harsh times, survive today. And they wreck havoc. I can’t find empirical grounds for dismissing that.
Not really. We have had for at least the last 30 years a broken public education system that twists kids into unthinking consumers and trend followers. College is little more than a threat to national security that only produces indoctrinated tax serfs. When you have old Lefties like Peterson telling people to stop sending their kids to public schools and college because of the harm they cause, you know it’s bad. Yet hordes of stupid DR whites still fret over what college to send junior to so he can get a good brainwashing and ass r**ing. The Left controls the… Read more »
I wonder how many pedos in suits are running things. Yet what matters to the public is that they wear suits.
I agree with avoiding weirdos, but from a practical standpoint all that matters is that they hide their weirdness. Good people with eccentricities need not apply.
Messed up world.
That Spirit Cooking thing comes to mind. The cloud people are insane, but they hide it better and have media to cover for them.
The problem with a positive identity is that you run the risk of setting up a “leadership” to define that positive identity. Most of the dissident politics has avoided setting up leaders because of the target/isolate/immolate strategy in SJW land. Instead, there’s a moderately large group of dissident thinkers and the people who read their thinking. We’re sandboxing it, for the most part. As a result, our positive identity is rather loose and broad, which means just about anyone can self identify. No one knew we needed a positive identity that eschewed goat blood drinking. Even in systems with rather… Read more »
The far-left media could just keep plucking these characters out and putting their profile out there on-line. In fairness, most of the people attracted to the alt-right were perfectly normal, but that’s not what the public saw when the alt-right was showcased in the mass media.
But the weirdos pulled the punters in to begin with, exactly because the regressive media couldn’t help giving them airplay.
The problem is not the weirdos, it’s the lack of viable leaders and institutions, a place for normie to go to once he’s digested the clown pill.
Maybe we are the weirdos
Not me. I’ve gone through the 12-step process.
We are all very stable geniuses.
Ha!
I’m a weirdo who identifies as a very stable genius. So there!
How do you know if you’re a weirdo? Well, in a properly functioning evolutionary environment, you would likely be dead already, which admittedly conflicts with self-awareness.
Ever seen the paragraphs of instructions stickered to a ladder providing explanations as to its usage?
We are not in a “properly functioning evolutionary environment.”
Scary thought, but not off the mark. But as Z-man has said, the “new norm” we wish to create always starts off as abnormal and a challenge to the accepted normal. I’m here because what is now considered “normal” is an aberration of basic human nature, contradictory in itself, and can not lead to human progress.
Not maybe, Whitney. The north European population is uniquely out bred. Arabs and Africans are far more representative of historic human populations. They see you much as we see Greta. The fruit is good but you go out on that branch too far and it breaks.
Sol Invictus did offer pro-bono legal aid though, and was trying build a covert network of lawyers to help dissidents who were having legal problems. He should have kept it at that and tried to fly under the radar.
“Invictus” by William Ernest Henley Out of the night that covers me Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance, I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds, and shall find me, unafraid. It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my… Read more »
To be fair to his imperial Roman majesty, he is hardly anymore weird than mainstream leftists. If a man can now claim to be a woman, and demand that society accepts this, that is no less insane.
With our side insanity’s a fringe thing. With the people ostensibly in charge, it’s required mainstream (I’m not sure about the people actually in charge, they’re probably more cunning than insane)
I was not going to comment on this thread since I may be a damn Weirdo myself. After all, does the weirdo ever really know he is one? But then I was reading Joseph Sobran and came across this quote, “If communism was liberalism in a hurry, liberalism is Communism in slow motion. Where Communism smashed, liberalism erodes. The end result is the same; a soulless society in which liberty perishes and tradition is forgotten.” We can vote ourselves into a deeper hot-mess, but we will never vote our way out of this depravity we call a society. Notice the… Read more »
I don’t really see a practical way of dealing with the weirdos. For one, dissident politics are an informal grouping, we don’t have an official party headquarters or a spokesperson to issue fatwas and insure brand purity on our behalf. Anyone can claim to be alt-right or dissident right, and who’s to say they aren’t? Secondly, the “no punch right” ethos didn’t come out of thin air. It was an attempt to avoid the fate of Buckley conservatism, which may have started out full of piss and vinegar, but eventually wound up purging itself into the empty jockstrap we know… Read more »
Movements happen organically. They can have two or three iterations before gelling. They aren’t driven like a bus, only the establishment has the luxury of driving the bus where they want it to go. It’s when a large amount of people want off the bus when these movements happen. Crazies are the first to want off the bus because no establishment, present or future will accept them. The alt right movement was born to die, just like the tea party, but they leave seeds for the next spring.
You keep talking about forming a movement, while ignoring the fact that Trump already has done that — and taken all your potential members with him. You all don’t like Trump so pretend to yourselves he hasn’t kept his campaign promises, and is unworthy of your support. I am an unabashed Trump supporter and I am very happy with his work so far. To me, so many of the people here are demonstrably delusional, and suffering greatly because of it. What kind of person do you think you are going to be attracting with your efforts? And how many of… Read more »
Tend to agree wrt disparaging Trump on accomplishment, or at least efforts. However, not all the criticism seems out of place. There is much to be said for the argument as to what happens after Trump? Demographics is a real Black Pill. Aside from the Supreme Court, one can imagine a quick turnaround in much of what Trump has accomplished with the first Dem elected to President. Then there is the deficit. Eight years of Trump might produce a cumulative debt greater than Obama. And finally, the Normies we try to recruit often use Trump as an example of working… Read more »
Trump’s economic achievements may prove ephemeral, and his cultural focus has certainly not matched the promise of his campaign, but he has accomplished two things for which we all should be grateful: 1) He proved that a populist nationalism is politically viable, supported by 10s of millions of people. The potential core of a new republic, if push comes to shove… 2) He forced the Deep State out into the open, and exposed its workings to all with the will to see. It is no longer possible for any thinking person to deny that we live in a thoroughly corrupted… Read more »
“Promises kept” is demonstrably delusional. Who’s “pretending?”
Check back with me in four years if he wins – four more years of MAGA-trannies, MAGA-feminists, NRO-tier cultural suicide and the same political oxycontin Dr. GOP has been prescribing to its dying base for my entire life.
The facts speak for themselves, but not everyone chooses to listen. You can legitimately debate why Trump has failed, but not that he has failed.
Trump’s convo with Rush Limbaugh a couple of days ago was enough to cause me to scream into a pillow so the neighbors didn’t call the cops, lol.
“Of course, the main issue with outsider politics is that they usually form up around a complaint or a list of complaints.” What we could use are several manifestos from the disparate dissident groups; clearly articulated problem statements followed by their cultural and political proposals. At this stage dissident groups seeking to organize should “nail their colors to the mast” and post this at the top of their website. Among the policy statements would be something to the effect of “no weirdos permitted.” If dissidents also stick to the traditional good, true and just, this would tend to have a… Read more »
In our current Progressive clown world, what is normal? What is truth, goodness and beauty when people have been cultivated to believe that whatever they think is their own truth is fine. You’re OK, I’m OK. A world of 7 billion people with 7 billion truths and 7 billion religions. We’re living in those fruits of chaos. So how would one necessarily know if they’re a weirdo coming up in such a world, especially if they didn’t have a lot of good parenting where beliefs and traditions are passed to the next generation? At the risk of turning off the… Read more »
No apology necessary. Thank you. Off to find the Riace Bronzes.
I kinda disagree with this. This mindset is what hampered Conservative Inc. for decades as we lost more and more of the country.
The left never had to shy away from their weirdos because they owned the power of the state (or at least were never afraid to use it) and they owned the power of the media.
We can say “normal people” shy away from weirdos but that simply isn’t true. Average people follow the strong horse and that, for as long as I can remember, has been the left.
“… they owned the power of the state … and they owned the power of the media.”
And they owned the tremendous power of the education establishment.
If you think about what really put the nail in the cross of the “alt right” brand was Charlottesville. There was a lot wrong with the alt-right, we can all attest to that. BUT, despite that it was a growing movement. Those people didn’t go away, they didn’t join Conservative, Inc., they didn’t merge with Globohomo. They went back into the their own worlds and, in fact, people that share most of their sentiments, probably grew. Certainly among the Gen Z ranks, you know, the kids who have to live in this mess left for them. It was the jailing… Read more »
This is a problem only on the right. The Left has every weirdo imaginable (transsexuals, Antifa, spirit cookers, “artists,” etc) and their MO for handling them runs the spectrum from tacit approval through silence to circling the wagons and outright defending them. Jonathan Bowden had an interesting take on this: “One of the reasons Liberalism’s triumphed in this society is the mental wetness, the irresolve, fear, and funk of conservatism morally and intellectually and ideologically. And I don’t just mean naked, middle class self-interest and the sort of slightly impoverished range of politics based around that, which is the core… Read more »
The Left is routinely torn apart with schisms. This myth of left-wing solidarity is just more nonsense created to support the mandatory tolerance rule.
Yet we see them with a big tent in which mainstream politicians tweet about transphobia, Antifa is never condemned, terrorists get cushy gigs as university professors, etc.
The Left does not suffer from the Big Divide- membership in the Church of Equality. The Right does. That divide runs through the Right, not the Left. So the Left is more unified than the Right if we include Prager, Shapiro, Log Cabin/Chamber of Commerce/establishment/normie/cuck GOP on the Right.
Solidarity is easier when everybody’s on the payroll.
The Left is held together by the glue of a “common” enemy. The enemy has changed over the years and is now the White male—who is all powerful, racist, and evil. All the groups comprising the Left want economic benefit, recognition/validation, but most of all protection/payback from Whitey.
When Whitey can no longer be portrayed as the all-powerful evil enemy, the Left will need to create another universal enemy or implode as its constituency groups feed upon each other. Something akin to when a predator exhausts it’s prey.
“The Left is held together by the glue of a “common” enemy.” More than that, they also have a clear strategic objective: namely, the overthrow of Western White Civilisation (WWC). They are prepared to forge any alliance and adopt any tactics in furtherance of that strategic objective. Note the seamless alacrity with which they got into bed with corporate capitalism, their former enemy. This is why the left is so difficult to defeat. They have objectives but no principles. This makes them mobile, fleet-footed and infinitely adaptable. Contrast with the right which has lots of principles but no objective, thus… Read more »
Except that by the time the white man can no longer be used as a scapegoat, things will be literally worse than South Africa where the white man is still used as a scapegoat to this day despite being maybe 8% of the population.
It’s because the establishment right types are paid-off. “Controlled opposition.” Anyone genuine is well and truly in the wilderness, or gets thrown in prison in places like Britain.
I puzzle over this. Are they bought and paid-off? Or are they carefully selected for their potential to be compromised? The constant reversals between the policies of “Candidate X” and “Elected Official X” of both parties leads one down a very dark path.
Do you believe Paul Manafort went to prison for his “crimes”?
I think it’s because of his connection to Trump.
Then there’s the Proud Boys in New York; why are they in prison?
The Proud Boys are serving FOUR YEAR PRISON SENTENCES where there was no plaintiff, should tell you everything you need to know about “Justice.” Those guys defended Trump and his supporters with their lives and livelihoods. They were betrayed.
Speaking of weirdos, even Terry Gilliam has had enough of being blamed for other people’s problems.
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/01/04/director-terry-gilliam-im-tired-of-white-men-being-blamed-for-everything-wrong-with-the-world/
Of course I punch Right. Otherwise the idiots will drag down the sane people. Over the years I’ve noticed that every forum subculture will have a designated nutters, Great Books for Men haunted the MRA forums, Admiral Cod the earlier .alt right until he wandered too close to the agent provocateur deadlights and so on. These guys were entertaining, productive and polite and didn’t get into trouble in meat space. The same applies to movements, any given thing has has room for one small and harmless group of weirdos. Ours are monarchists. The rest can stay far far away, Also… Read more »
I’m of two minds about “Emperor” Invictus. I appreciate his advocacy and defense of political prisoners. From watching/listening he seemed reasonable if eccentric. From hearing associates talk about him, he seemed well-liked. So despite the name change, his weird accent and weirder religion, I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt. I don’t know what to think of his arrest. It could be a set up or he could be guilty. I am inclined to believe he was set up, but what do I know. I can totally understand Ramsey and Z’s objection to him. He is intensely odd.… Read more »
The thing about the optics debate is that the pro-optics side won in a landslide, but the anti-optics side thinks they won the debate. It’s a crazy thing that suggests a cult like behavior. The fact is, anyone selling anything is always focused on making a good presentation. That’s been true since Grogstein sold Grogton a new wheel. It is especially true in politics.
I have found that while we should be civil to weirdo’s if I am too kind and nice to them they latch on to me. I have spent my life being civil and nice to weirdo’s. I still act with civility when I detect a weirdo but I put up more of a cold front to them now in my later years. I don’t have time for bullshit and I want to converse with semi normal people in my remaining time in this world, not nut jobs. Mr Normie is not going to come our way if it’s White Nationalism… Read more »
Ever see Styxhexxenhammer? One of the most popular on the fringe right and even a guest on Ramseys podcast. Occult background, no shirt wearing with leather jacket, and even worse, a libertarian!
Also extremely unpleasant and comes off as autistic. Although to be fair, he did beat E. Michael Jones in that debate. And im at least emotionally sympathetic with the anti porn/coomers position.
He denied that pornography was addictive and fell back on nerd baiting, ironically. Demanding “muh science” is a disingenuous move to make the opponent look like a nerd, especially in this context. It’s a powerful disqualification even if the opponent does his homework and cites his sources like a good student.
Jones won that “debate”.
You’re being unfair. He’s one of the most normal guys in Vermont. 😉
Styx is fun to listen to—at times. His occult mutterings are separated from his other video’s and you can watch his commentary and not know about such proclivities. And yes, he’s weird looking. But who in that age bracket and audience is not? He’s not attempting to red-pill normies and he’s no different that the aforementioned Ted Nugent in weird appearance.
He seems to punch left mostly, and his views on Congress and such are pretty much what we’d discuss here. However, he’s entertainment—not really leadership wrt DR. I treat him as such.
I was only half-kidding before. I kind of have a soft-spot for Styx. Unlike the Burlington Cosmopolitans he doesn’t wish me dead or replaced. He’s into a lot of back-to-the-land stuff and if you’re doing that in northern New England you have my respect.
Listen to him everyday. He’s fascinating because he looks like he’d be right at home at an ANTIFA protest, but is capable of reasoned commentary for the most part.
He does have deep personal problems, apparently. Drugs, if I recall correctly. Yep, he’s a weirdo with baggage.
But that brings up an interesting line of discussion: what is the dissident vision of “normal”?
That’s easy. Sober, Straight No drug use, married to opposite sex and has kids, or working to such .No emotional issues that can’t be handled with talk with a friend or pastor. Employed at useful work ..Also moral and avoids poz and porn Dressed conservative in public and not part of any really weird subset of people like furries Opposed to immigration and Poz, OK with firearms Probably Christian or Secular though some flexibility for quiet whatever Eccentric is fine and so long as straight and quite about oddities a little variation is OK. Anyone else is too weird Oh… Read more »
We don’t like normies but also don’t like weirdos. so who is left. We cannot all be red-pilled, high-income STEM professionals like RamZ and others. // Just because you disagree with someone or something doesn’t mean you have to speak out about it too, This comes across as virtue signaling by Ramz, when no one asked him for his opinion. // The alt-right failed because of a combination of bad optics but also because a year into Trump’s presidency it became obvious that the swamp would not be drained, and no progress on immigration ,so the enthusiasm just evaporated, and… Read more »
I’m skeptical of red pilled high income STEM professionals anyway. They’ve made too many compromises to get there. Maybe not engineers so much but the scientists for sure.
I suppose it depends on how you define weirdo. Look at Ted Nugent … normie conservative in many respects but probably closer to our side. We could use a few Motor City Madment in our midst. Besides, I’d rather share a pitcher with Ted than RamZ.
CONTRARIANS – that’s what we’re after … people who have thumbed their nose at the establishment and courageous enough to live out their convictions.
OJ Simpson is a murderer, something with which I strongly disagree. Why should I be required to bite my tongue? It seems to me that the burden is on OJ to not kill people.
That’s the problem with the mandatory tolerance rule. It allows weirdos to put the burden on the normal.
“Politics is downstream from culture” may be a cliche, but only because it’s true. Our weirdos are weirdos, their weirdos are oppressed.
Personally, I would be happy if we could just call a spade a spade. Heh.
Exactly. We are free to be as weird as we want. To go live in a cabin in the woods and rant into a camera. But when we desire to also be a part of something greater than the smell of our own genius, it is our responsibility to sublimate base behaviors and to moderate our internal critics to attune toward the greater good. It is a civilization we desire after all. Not just a right-leaning clown world of our own. When we fail to reign in our inner weirdo it is the responsibility of those we align with to… Read more »
The burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. That seems to be ignored these days, especially by the Left, but it was once a truism of our legal system and a general understanding of the people.
The alt-right failed
The alt-right was wildly successful. Milo, a jewhomocatholicniggerloving catamite, has done more for the cause than Jared Taylor.
Felix, yes—we can all be good examples of “bad” examples. 😉
Have no idea who this “Roman Emperor ” guy is, but just on its face ? Yeah, would give this guy a hard pass. To make the cause attractive there should a vetting process to weed out left-wing saboteurs , pedophiles, the mentally ill, etc. It’s just common sense. The left keeps digging its own grave when it comes to conservative whites. As bad liberal politics is you have to offer something more attractive to pull people away from the familiar. Not to say it won’t be an uphill battle. I see nothing wrong with Mormons or the Amish, but… Read more »
I think Invictus was present at USF (Tampa) years (0 <= t <= 12 years) ago, or at least mentioned in a "freethinker" club I attended at the time. Ah, for my "professional student" days…even so, I once missed Ron Paul speaking because I had an exam at same time 🙁
Weirdos are usually heavy drug users and sexual freaks. They take to politics because of a need to convert the public to their way of thinking. Many youngsters due to their heavy use of Hallucinogenics are becoming the weirdo vote.
A century ago, weirdos like that would have taken themselves out of the gene pool at a young age because of their degeneracy. Drugs, drink, promiscuity. The wages of sin really was death or, at least suffering. Now, they want to reshape society so that they are the new normal.
I can handle someone LARPing as a Roman and drinking goats’ blood, but forcing someone to go to Jacksonville, FLA by gunpoint is a bridge too far. I mean, Melbourne or Jupiter I could see, but Jacksonville?
That’s just unconscionable.
I will miss his hilarious lawyer speeches he would give in his cases,tho.
Those were freaking bonkers.
I am of the opinion that a Pro-White philosophy that can be articulated to Normies looks like this:
1. Immigration “pause”
2. Protectionist trade policy.
3. Free association
All of these would improve the lot of White people and none of them are radical ideas. Ideally we would establish a mantra of “What is good for Whites is good for America”.
A lot of weirdos are practicing black propaganda, deliberately associating an idea with a dubious personality. And most of them don’t even know it.
You know, I voted for this jerkoff, who turns out to be a Jew Tool. The weirdos exist cause the world is fucked ,run by gangsters, assholes and thieves. Canaries in the coal mine. Watching TV, they’ve lost their minds.
Sometimes weirdos can be useful. They may advance the cause even without fully understanding the goals of the cause. Useful Idiots. Lenin understood this.
Zman makes my point redundant. Should have read his first.