The Magic Box

Anyone who works in the right answer fields, like engineering and computer science, has run across the magic box gag. This is where someone draws up a process, describing the various inputs and sub-processes. Somewhere toward the end of the diagram is a box into which all of this stuff flows. What comes out of the box is the desired result of the entire process. That box at the end, where all the good stuff happens, is labeled something like “magical happens here.”

It is a stale gag, but a persistent one as it is a very good way to simplify a project for the people who put the magic in the box. The people who will get the magic really don’t need to know what happens inside the box. That’s not their concern. That’s the job of the technical people to solve. In fact, the whole point of the exercise is to make sure everyone shares the same understanding of all the other stuff. The users of the process must trust that the technical people put the right magic in the box.

It does not always go that way through. Even the simplest processes have peculiarities that are not appreciated until you start monkeying around with them. The combination of inputs may create conflicts that require immensely complicated solutions inside the box in order to get the desired result. It’s why after the meeting ends, the technical people erase the board and spend a lot of time figuring out exactly what form of magic will have to go into that box. Magic is not as easy at looks.

This concept is one to keep in mind when evaluating the responses to the virus panic and soon the economic consequences of it. Loads of people on both sides of the great divide think something momentous has happened. They see the flood of changes that have been imposed and rightly assume that it will have a profound long term effect on the country and the West in general. They are probably right, but they disagree as to what will come out of the magic box that is this panic.

The most obvious starting place is with the people demanding we take this extreme measure to stop the virus.  As has been discussed at length here now, they fail to consider the consequences. Instead, their response is something like, “The economy is not important. That will fix itself.” In other words, something magical will happen and things will get back to normal. The magic box will not only fix all the damage done to civil life, it will restore everything back to where it was before the panic.

It’s possible that things bounce back to where they were to start the year. No one knows, because this has never been done. Maybe in a year this whole episode will be forgotten, like the Kavanaugh hearings or the Russia hoax. On the other hand, we could be facing a long depression. The blows to the system could be so profound they cannot magically heal themselves. Instead, things remain broken. In other words, maybe the magic in that box is bad magic, the very worst kind of magic.

That brings up another camp that is now deeply invested in the magic box. There are a lot of people on this side of the great divide that are cheering the lock down. They think it will forever discredit the things they don’t like. The consequences of globalism and the neoliberal order will flow into the hive brain of the public and what comes out the other side is a rejection of all of it. Magically, everyone will come to the conclusions many people on this side held before the panic and subsequent results.

It’s possible that some of those things Greg Johnson lists will come true. It’s also possible that none of them will happen.  People are remarkably resilient to reality, as we see with the panic. If your first response to the prospects of a pandemic are to fill your basement with toilet paper, you are unlikely to draw the best lessons from this panic and its results. The ruling class, the people who triggered this panic, are also unlikely to abandon all the things that allow them to be in power.

The point here is not to take issue with Greg or his post. Greg’s lessons are correct, but they were correct before the panic. He is assuming this sudden crisis will be the magic box that transforms everything. The last half century of history is flowing into this panic and the resulting turmoil. What will come out the other side is a great awakening, as the scales fall from the eyes of everyone wondering how they will pay their rent and feed their kids. The coronavirus panic is the magic box.

Similarly, there is a subset of this thinking that exists in fringe socialist circles, like the remnants of the old alt-right and the Bernie Sanders camp. They cheer the coming collapse, because they think the prophesies will finally come true. America will become Weimar Germany. One version of the game has Richard Spencer delivering his first speech to the new Ethno-Reichstag. The other side thinks they will finally be free to punch those Nazis that secretly control the world.

It is an interesting key value pair. Both camps think their political ideology is timeless and forever relevant. Both sides think history must repeat in the exact same way it happened 90 years ago in Europe. It’s like coordinates on a map. Because the coordinates never change, their place on the great map of human history never changes either. It’s a form of mysticism. In this case, they assume an economic collapse must magically result in conditions most favorable to them.

Again, that magic box may not contain what they imagine. The most likely result is the increased power of the tech oligarchs. They are now helping government track people, all in the name of safety, of course. A world in which drones are used to police citizens identified through their mobile phone as having stood next to the wrong person is not favorable to the revolution. You see, the people in charge have been planning for the arrival of you-know-who for a very long time as well.

In fairness, maybe the critics of the response to this virus are engaging in magic box thinking as well. To assume lots of bad things come out of the other end of the box is just as presumptuous as assuming only good things will emerge. Maybe the great reorder that will occur after this will be better for the Nazis and Bolsheviks camped out in the pumpkin patch. Maybe people will wake up to the reality of neoliberal order and demand changes. Maybe things get back to normal in a hurry.

The one true thing in all of this is no one knows what is inside the box that events appear to be leading us. The panic itself is unprecedented in the modern age, so we are left to guess about what follows. What’s happening with the global financial system is less novel, but the scale is unprecedented. No one can know if the economy will spin back up, as no one has tried to turn it off and then back on. We are in the world of unknown unknowns, the part of the diagram labeled “Magic.”


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ChetRollins
ChetRollins
2 months ago

Speaking of magic box, the computer software used to predict the coronavirus spread is based on undocumented code written in C 13 years ago. It has never been peer reviewed and the guy refuses to open source it. https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1241835454707699713 Had a conversation with a nurse who was praising Gretchen for shutting down Michigan. She is one of the nurses on a team to estimate how many people the hospital she works in should expect from the virus. I asked where the evidence was for the 70% infected rate cited, and she linked me a f&^*(ing NowThis video and chided me… Read more »

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  ChetRollins
2 months ago

I know someone who works in the medical field. They said the doctors at their facility have gone nuts. One, who passed out at work because he came into work with a high fever and the normal flu, now doesn’t want to come into work. The others are in various states of panic. This is the point where in an old film the level headed male lead would slap someone while telling them to get a grip.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
2 months ago

Fish rots from the head. Higher up the hierarchy you go, the more insanity. Sanity will come from the dirt people if anywhere. We’re in bad shape.

Patrick
Patrick
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago
Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago

Lol at the dividend income/pensioned beneficiaries of the (((multiracial, global))) economy wargaming the coronavirus on this website! Isn’t the ability to obtain insured medical care and self-isolate via telecommuting or out in the countryside grand? Must be due to all that high intelligence, hard work, and decisive leadership ability! Amirite? At the end of the day our rulers and their truckling dependents (including the faux “dissidents” found on this website) regard ordinary Americans as buffers to keep the lights on and absorb the blow. That is the reality. Everything else is propaganda that rationalizes political failure and serves indolence, cowardice,… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

I’ll take indolence first, then cowardice. And can I buy a vowel?

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

Buy two: U and O. Have a nice day, princess! 🙂

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

Sounds like you’ve read this blog once or twice. You know little upon which you comment.

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Hehe. That’s eleceng to you, codeboy.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

Laid off?

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago

Still using Mexican labor?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

Asked because of your handle. Got my notice Friday. (Doing well though, if anybody out there cares to know. Story for another time.)

It’s a smart crowd here, not necessarily privileged.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

Still voting? Gun-rich, ammo’d up?

+1 for the ballsiness.
Hint: don’t sh*t in your own nest.

Huh. We like the reasoned answers we find here. The Zman’s private blog allows even lunatics like yours truly to vent, as he said, because we have nowhere else- yet he sees past the day’s consensus factory.

So c’mon, genius. Give us the good stuff.
Show me what you got.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago

Winston thought, if there was hope, it lay in the proles.

vmax71
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
2 months ago

WTF is this nonsense. I am a doctor. I haven’t heard about THIS at all.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
2 months ago

If I passed out at work from the flu I wouldn’t come in either, I could kill my patients.

Also its just possible that the panic is justified. Maybe Corona Chan is nasty enough to inflict lingering lung damage n a fair measure of infected people or deadlier than we think. There is talk of both.

Deadly or not assuming medical people are other first responders are obliged to work no matter what in a society like ours is risible. We show them so little care (c.f 9-11) logic dictates its every man or women for themselves.

Johnmark7
Johnmark7
Reply to  abprosper
2 months ago

Nice to see the Z Man climbing down from his high horse and conceding his own wishful thinking. Some genies are out of the bottle and won’t go back in. The current response, though, is not a panic. It is calculated. There was some panic buying, but the governments, presidents, and governors who are in the room where decisions are made with me there are doing as I tell them. Whereas Z Man is entirely excluded at this time. Z Man is straw manning here with the notion that people like me in favor of serious measures (not extreme ones)… Read more »

Codex
Codex
Reply to  Johnmark7
2 months ago

“We [The state governors and leaders] can walk and chew him at the same time.

The States of California would beg to differ with you.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  ChetRollins
2 months ago

Highly institutionalized nations like ours won’t change as rapidly as we’d like. But the more crises and the more rapidly they come their increased frequency will steadily chip away at those foundations. Clown World is in a perpetual state of war with reality. The further down the Wonderland rabbit hole we go the more goofy we become. Look at that Dem emergency response bill. They are running out of runway their long-game is kaput. It’s not just something to put on the table in opposition to Orange Man. If in power they would absolutely go for it. Our thing would… Read more »

ACommenter
ACommenter
Reply to  Yves Vannes
2 months ago

Forgive me for being Captain Obvious here, but YV’s comment (not to pick on you) observation about the Chinese brings to mind an interesting pattern I’ve noticed about this panic, first in articles on mainstream news sites and then comments in various forums, about how the ‘compentent’ Chinese (and the Russians, too!) are taking up the slack for things like manufacturing medical equipment and sending personell in planeloads to other nations because the Americans ‘can’t handle it’. It has the same flavor as how the Chinese as of late are paying to be portrayed in the Hollywood movies they’ve been… Read more »

UFO
UFO
Reply to  ACommenter
2 months ago

Agree 100%. The ccp has alot more media and politicians in their pocket than we realize.

They also ramped up their propaganda now that the USA has a somewhat nationalist pres. All other presidents were chicom puppets.

That said, the west is also insane and incompetent. Ultimately all they have to do is wait and eventually we will collapse.

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  UFO
2 months ago

Competent enough to have a spy embedded as Dianne Feinstein’s driver for 20 years. Competent enough to fill up 20% of our elite academic institutions with their students. Competent enough to abscond with large amounts of our intellectual property. Competent enough to marry the daughter of a Taiwanese shipping magnate to the leader of the senate(McConnell). China has a lot of it’s own problems but they are in a great position to exploit our societal weaknesses and they are doing so with great aplomb.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  FashGordon
2 months ago

Yeah, hence my comment about the West being insane and incompetent. I didn’t mean “also” to imply that China was incompetent as well.

Everything you mention is quite common sense that somehow our society has forgotten.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  UFO
2 months ago

UFO-society has forgotten by way of being completely indoctrinated with the idea that all people are individual blank, equal slates. From that perverted viewpoint, it’s irrelevant how many Chinese people come here because once they step on the magic dirt they have no more ties to China than anyone-else. I’ve spent a lot of time talking to normies and reading their comments on political issues and they just do not get race realism, tribalism, race differences at all. Even normies who show signs of hope by disliking muslims (which is common around my area), don’t really get it at all… Read more »

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Phoenix
2 months ago

Here is Breitbart doing their part to keep people on the reservation in regards to the Chinese. https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/24/poll-majority-americans-agree-chinese-communist-party-blame-coronavirus/

Alzaebo
Reply to  UFO
2 months ago

Collapse into a re-ordering, but to who’s benefit? That’s the problem, innit?

Total war, without weapons.
Culture war, dawa (soft war) , the hudna (false peace) until jihad.

Well worn precepts, tested through time.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  ACommenter
2 months ago

I’m not saying the Chinese are competent but how nonZogged nations are beginning to see them. A good many countries would like to not have to depend on the US. If China is working the propaganda well enough to start peeling away dependence on the US it will accelerate our problems. Unz.com has a lot on this subject. A lot seems farfetched but international sentiment is moving in that direction. If the origins of this does turn out to be US troops then that drift will only accelerate. This is something that’s been going on for a decade or more… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Yves Vannes
2 months ago

Definitely agree that the Chinese feel they can wait out the current phase of the Campaign, and garner allies against the
madness. They can read the tea leaves.
Millions lost is old hat to them.

I was hyperventilating a bit, as I had been chatting with those renowned experts, the taxi drivers Jameez and Gunesh.

The Indian-Muslims talk to their families back home, and they are spooked.
They told me this virus is a financial war, and pre-staging the real thing.

War in the kingdoms of the South East means genocide. Fagin’s demons have met their match.

Member
2 months ago

We don’t know what we don’t know. Why is this so different? What aren’t they telling us? The sky is falling. We must make juju. You want some bad thoughts? We will know when we know. We may never know. The leadership in government is a good indication of the incompetence we are burdened with. It’s everywhere.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  JMDGT
2 months ago

The elites have been trying to sell us an apocalypse we believe for decades. They finally found one and now they intend to take full advantage – the “stimulus” that reads like Lenin wrote it is exhibit 1.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/03/17/the-luxury-of-apocalypticism/

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Have they though? I mean if you are referring to global warming that’s not really an imminent apocalypse like this thing is, more of an abstract chronologically indefinite religious narrative about our sins against gaia and another reason why we first world white people are bad and why we should live more like the sainted natives. They are certainly hyping things up, but I think that’s just a short sighted attack against trump. They never seem to contemplate the long term effects of their actions. I don’t think this will work out in their favor. To people who benefit from… Read more »

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  JMDGT
2 months ago

Yeah, it’s kind of like the race argument: We’re unable to precisely define boundaries; therefore, race doesn’t exist or small racial differences don’t matter. Yet race exists and racial differences matter. We’re unable to precisely define the boundary betwixt the mountain over yonder or the valley below; therefore, the mountain doesn’t exist and elevation differences don’t matter. Yet mountains exist and elevation differences matter. There are many other examples. Math is a template for decoding reality, nothing more. Has it been correctly applied? Sometimes yes, other times no. We know a few important things about Ms. Corona. I no longer… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Oldtradesman
2 months ago

“I am done here.” Well, glad you go that off your chest. Now you can go gather more TP, finish you manifesto and get on with the revolution.

Good day sir!

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

If it is any consolation, in northern NJ the weather today is beautiful and area (except for the shutdown of restaurants) looks superficially normal. We see people actually working. It gives some hope that things might at least partially rebound. Sanity will need to return from the ground up.

As a relatively moderate “normie”, I must thank Z Man for providing a platform for views and insights on this current hysteria not found anywhere else. It gives a feeling of not being totally alone.

Either we are crazy or they are crazy.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

There even was toilet paper and paper towels at the local Shop-Rite earlier this afternoon.

Oldtradesman
Oldtradesman
Reply to  Outdoorspro
2 months ago

How u doing, Tred? Although, unlike u, I actually do it the hard way. Have a nice day! 🙂

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Outdoorspro
2 months ago

It was interesting on Sailer’s site how commentator Tiny Duck went from eliciting many angry responses, to just a few, to just getting marked as a troll, then ignored completely, and then…gone.

Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
2 months ago

Something tells me he isn’t done here. The biggest hint was when he said “I am done here.”

Alzaebo
Reply to  pozymandias
2 months ago

Haha!
“She didn’t dump me, I dumped her!”

Alzaebo
Reply to  Outdoorspro
2 months ago

He’s off! He must make juju!

Damm shame. Seemed like a fine mind, if a tad impatient.

Sandmich
Sandmich
2 months ago

Good points all. The real black swan for me is the current Fed exercise of blowing up the currency they’re in charge of by buying all the garbage financial assets in the entire economy. There’s not one, but two magic boxes. This probably would have happened no matter what though the virus-panic sped up the process. It was a bit of luck (*ahem*) that the virus-panic coincided with their financial panic so that people who get their news from half-informed coworkers will be none the wiser, though I’m not sure how much it will matter when they wake up and… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Sandmich
2 months ago

Long-term, you are right, this is catastrophic.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Sandmich
2 months ago

Not necessarily. Donald Trump is a man of the marketplace “as it exists” (especially in NYC). He’s not a socialist, and his instincts aren’t that bad (read: tax cuts, anti-globalism, secure borders, right-wing judges and justices, America First, wiping out regulations, resisting new wars, etc.). Nor is he a denizen of the Deep State; the multiple media/political hoaxes show they’ve been desperate to get rid of him. So now the panic is showcasing Trump as a leader and (along with help from the feckless Democrats) may be ensuring his reelection. Can the Empire be saved? No, nor should it be,… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

Trump is a man who zigs and zags, who appears to change his opinion based on new information. We are so fortunate for that. Way too many people in politics are set in their ways, and no evidence will move them from their positions and beliefs. Not only that, but it is all about the “skim” they can generate for themselves, and crisis is simply something to be used to increase the skim, the rest of us be damned. Things could be a lot worse.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

“Trump is a man who zigs and zags, who appears to change his opinion based on new information.”

I call that adapting to and dealing with reality as it stands.

That is how effective leadership is supposed to function.

I totally agree that we have a lot of ideologically rigid deadwood in our politics. Just look at the stupid surprises in the Dem stimulus bill that are the same old “woke” giveaways and set asides.

Baja
Baja
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

Every day is a gift….

Drake
Drake
2 months ago

As a project manager I’ve done more process mapping sessions with teams than I can remember. Only one of those maps ever had a “magic box”. I was asked to lead a one-day event for a bunch of people from Marketing. They had some new electronic targeting product they bought and were sure it really was magic. So we ended up with a ridiculous map of crap flowing into the box and “validated” sales leads flying out the other end. Since I would have nothing to do with implementation of this nonsense, I didn’t care. Never would have allowed it… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Very true. Engineers have to be realists. A magic box does not compute and is ignored as nonsense.

Member
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

You are both correct. That’s because ( i think ) Zman misremembered the magic box joke. It’s a way of poking fun at wishful thinking.

A black box is inserted into a technical process by the knowledgable engineer as a response to a manager who is asking for an impossible result.

Clearly the inputs shown can’t add up to the result desired. The engineer displays the diagram and then points to the box in the middle and tells the manager “And here, a miracle occurs”.

Because (duh!) a miracle would be required to get what the manager wants.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Hell, our entire civilization runs on “black box” logic, all over the place. I have been fascinated how all the black box thinking has been able to be perpetuated all this time, through dollars thrown at it, the cultivation of wishful thinking, and the ability to convince people not to trust what they are seeing with their own two eyes.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

Dutch, the 1st thing I thought of when reading your post was “the gap beween whites and blacks” (on virtually everything)..

Guest
Guest
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

In the field of radio signal processing I referred to it as the “FM converter” which, of course, stood for f***ing magic converter.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Joe_11
2 months ago

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Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 months ago

Genius. And prescience.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
2 months ago

Observations of late. Flying back to California to work I recognized a pattern I’d only seen before in elevators. If I say X people are in an elevator, and none of them is with another, you can diagram for me where they will be standing, how they will be spaced. They will automatically adjust their positions whenever someone is added or subtracted. They maximize space out of courtesy in this instance. Watching the (few) people in line at security at the airport, and in the fast-food ordering/pickup areas, and in seating areas, they all showed this same sort of positioning,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

Go long pawnshops and brothels!

Codex
Codex
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

Yes. It’s GIGO al the way down. All those pretty pretty graphs.

Alzaebo
Reply to  ProUSA
2 months ago

And now Gates is pitching a cure in a biochip implant. Maybe he can call it “the Mark”.

NJ Person
NJ Person
2 months ago

Pattern recognition time.

Look at this! https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Almost exactly one-half of the registered coronavirus cases are in NY. I suspect mostly NYC. It makes sense, actually. NYC is full of crowded restaurants and bars where people eat and drink almost on top of each other. Also, the subway system is a filthy breading crowd for all sorts of evil things.

Could this at partially explain the extent of the current hysteria with much of news media centered in NYC?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

People think the governor is burnishing a resume and there is some of that. He’s also desperate and realizes these events are far out of his hands for many of the reason you cited. He’s looking at economic collapse more than anyone else in the United States and knows it.

NJ Person
NJ Person
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 months ago

Upper New York state is very much like the upper midwest. So Cuomo, unlike deBlasio, cannot so readily dismiss the concerns of the deplorables.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

And yet he is dismissing upstate. New York City, like Washington DC, is a nearly recession-proof city. Upstate is very far from so, especially when our economy has been knee-capped for decades by a combination of globalism and Albany capriciousness (think of the fracking ban). I’m already seeing/hearing of small businesses and manufacturers that are screwed. Jobs lost, business down for the surviving businesses, fear and desperation. And yet, Andy thinks every square inch of New York State has to respond to this the same way, and to sell this he’s daily spouting utter rubbish on TV. Very few people… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
2 months ago

Weird fact: New York was once the most populous state. Upstate had the most industry.

Rogertheshrubber
Rogertheshrubber
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 months ago

It’s still all around in The CNY. Manufacturing base, even after 60 years of Albany and federal fuckery, is impressive. Running a small manufacturing operation getting hammered.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

I’ll go out on a limb. My answer is yes.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

There are some studies that suggest that Chinese and Jews have some kinda molecule (or lack of one) that doesn’t bind to Vitamin C, so they are more susceptible to the Chinese Flu. On top of that, Italians are handsy, overly social, and great disease vectors (just ask my deceased English grandmother). Guess which American megapolis has these three ethnic groups in abundance? So by those theories, I’m not surprised NY got it bad. Also, if the American media were all headquartered in, say, Oklahoma City, would the hysteria be there? I don’t know, but probably.

ReturnOfBestGuest
ReturnOfBestGuest
Reply to  Marko
2 months ago

The study discussed here https://tinyurl.com/j2tcw6j suggests that vit D supplementation (for those who are deficient) has a protective effect w/ regard to respiratory infections. If you live in the cloudy, frozen north, you might want to consider it.

Alzaebo
Reply to  ReturnOfBestGuest
2 months ago

Vitamins D and C in very large doses.

Sunshine and oranges- same cure as 1918.

I’m re-thinking the Bat AIDS re-infection effect, too. We adjusted, socially, to HIV-AIDS, the former world-killer. Well, the fashion industry killer, that is.

And bubonic plague continued with regular outbreaks, such as the surges in 1515 and 1666. It wasn’t known what caused Bubonic plague until 1897.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Marko
2 months ago

OTOH, I wonder what sort of hysteria there would be if the American media remained hq’d in NYC and there were < 100 cases there, but out in Okie land there were 25k cases?

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
2 months ago

We’ve talked about Washington DC’s disconnect from the rest of America, but NYC is, as well. Here be dragons in suburban northern NJ.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
2 months ago

Well, the MSM ignored the pain med racket, so…yeah, maybe they would ignore WuFlu in flyover country.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Marko
2 months ago

Definitely Asian and Jews are 2 groups greatly, if not mostly, affected. Hassidic Jews in NYS have enormous rate of infection. Israeli cases grow up exponentially and presently Mossad directs the operations of “social distancing”, including but not limited to shutting down all public transportation and employing terrorist tracking technologies. Italy is another curios case: besides being one of the oldest populations in Europe they had an enormous influx of Jewish genes 2000 years ago when Emperor Titus brought 2mils of Judean slaves to Rome. Most of them assimilated into surrounding population no doubt. And then there is an amazing… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Anna
2 months ago

Good stuff, Anna.
Curiouser and curiouser indeed.

Blowback? Can’t outsmart Nature, the original author of designer viruses.

More weird facts:
*800 million viruses fall from the sky, every hour, on every square square meter on Earth.
*9 out of ten cells in the human body is an alien. Only 10% of us, is us.
*Humans have from 30 to 100 trillion microbes per body inside.

I’m thinking that the religious Question is more a question of epidemiology.

(Prepping to get conversant with pozymandias’ proteges. Time for some proper equipment, the Whiteworld way.)

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 months ago

Good news! Huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown, in a show against racism.
Corona-chan, let’s goooooo

Schizophrenia’s cognitive dissonance defeats itself. Ha! Thought you’d use Mother Nature, did you? Highest IQ, eh?

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

It certainly explains the rapidity of it’s spread there. Also explains why the people who run things are especially fearful. As you said, most of them live there. Frankly I don’t know how they could possibly prefer it. I would feel like a sardine in a tin. Perhaps the psychological effects of living like this is the cause of some of their madness.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  FashGordon
2 months ago

I believe it was last year or 2018 which saw a first-time decrease in the country’s Big 3 cities (NYC, LA, Chicago). I wonder if this causes people to leave those big cities (and others too) even more aggressively. That would be a welcome development…500K is about the biggest any one city should get.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Marko
2 months ago

I heard of a study that stated the real problems start at an urban pop of 50,000.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  NJ Person
2 months ago

Valid point about NYC and diversity. Also bear in mind how they’re counting – a guy fell and died from head trauma but tested positive for covid so his death was counted as a coronavirus death. https://www.barnhardt.biz/2020/03/24/wait-just-a-damn-minute-italian-figures-are-with-not-from-coronacold-19/

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 months ago

Dissidents are smart and resourceful. Using my cell to control me? F*** you, I’ll throw it out. Vibrants chimping out when the free money for stupid people runs out? Screw them, I’ll get a gun and shoot, shovel, and shut up. Can’t deal fairly on the open market because of govt incompetence and corruption? Black markets work too. Playing by the rules has become a game for suckers? Fine, I won’t play anymore. There are enough guns, mutineers, rebels and dissidents to thwart the Usual Suspects on anything. Just ask the gun grabbing politicos in Virginia. There’s no magic inside… Read more »

Ned2
Ned2
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 months ago

Bingo, Out here in Deplorableland we have the frequent freedom to simply ignore unwelcome dictats. The barter economy is alive and well. Cash is king.

TomA
TomA
2 months ago

In a time of great uncertainty, ancient wisdom tells us that the only tangible thing you can do to improve your survival prospects is to make yourself more robust and capable. Don’t sit on the couch eating potato chips and whining about how bad things can get. Get your ass up and chop some wood if nothing else is convenient. Oh, and start a garden in the backyard. It’s Springtime after all.

Alzaebo
Reply to  TomA
2 months ago

But I’m disabled by severe work allergies.
REM sleep may be cardio, but getting off that couch is an aerobics marathon.

Pearl in the first “Blade” movie is my hero.
Sitting in the dark, nothing moving but my eyeballs and one finger on the remote.

Exile
Exile
Member
2 months ago

Disorder in the existing system is a necessary condition for change but not sufficient. Without dissatisfaction, there is no social change. There’s a lot of stray social voltage in the air right now but it’s undirected. We don’t yet have the organization and infrastructure to make anything but local, ad hoc use of this energy. Our first major disruption event has happened well before we’re ready. On the white-pill side, this means we’re probably right in assuming that system shock is going to be a regular feature of late-stage Clown World as its ambitions exceed its abilities. Bad Gaia is… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

“That said, our critiques and predictions are proving more accurate and useful than Big Other’s so far. A lot of our guys were already prepped and it’s nice to see some mannerbunds stepping up and functioning as we’d hoped in crisis.”

This. It is hard to see how the federal bureaucracy hasn’t been so discredited by this panic and debacle that Big Other doesn’t try to co-opt some elements, such as bringing back domestic production of pharmaceuticals. This will be a fig leaf.

But your larger point is spot on. We are still gestating.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

I’d add, or emphasize, folks here are in the main, have been nothing short of prescient. Certain concepts and ideas were brought up and discussed here a week or more before they became mainstream on the news and elsewhere. Prepping is more than stock piling supplies—it’s ideas as well.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Given our small numbers and limited capacity for organization (if for no other reason, because Facebook and Google will track us down and bust us up), a coexistence model looks like what we are headed for. This is the Brazil/Argentina model. There are three major groups in their cultures, as far as I can tell. The dirt people who live mostly away from the big cities; the poor and violent, who live in the big city favelas; and the cloud/cloud wannabes, who live across the system and the landscape, but work the others for sustenance and protection. Everyone has his… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

Dutch, in this generation’s timeline, that’s pretty much how I see it. We’ll have to maintain a sort of binocular focus to see the future with proper “depth perception” – what we can practically accomplish on one hand vs. our ideal society. When I refer to apartheid White America, it’s generations down the road after we first accomplish something similar to what you describe. A lot of our current infighting now comes from conflicting visions of a future that will never be realized unless practical steps are first taken. There’s no reason why Groypers. Nazis etc… can’t form a caravan… Read more »

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

The petty divisions probably matter a lot less than you think. If and when a strong horse emerges, they will all flock to it. I don’t think change would necessarily take generations either. History has been moving at a greatly accelerated pace these days. If their side can go from normalizing gays to normalizing trannys in a span of less than a decade, imagine how fast we could go if things tilt our way. Chaos levels are increasing with unrivaled rapidity.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  FashGordon
2 months ago

stop, i’m getting hard.

in all seriousness, you’re right. that said, if the “other side” gets the upper hand, we’re likely going to face genocide.

i think more NWL and UMC white will break our way than we realize though. i’ve come to the conclusion that most are just cowards following the strong horse, doing what’s best for their careers.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

Why do the elites want to create this? Life was better for both elites and dirt people in the old America. Yet they are still importing millions of non whites and destroying the nation’s social fabric. It’s also not clear that we wouldn’t be better off in a poorer place like Argentina, left alone on the plains or the mountains. The Feds intrude into every place in the USA. We are going to see the brain drain patterns change, though. From rural to large cities, to rural to smaller, more local cities. Frankly there’s no benefit to moving to NYC… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  UFO
2 months ago

One possible reason: the political elites live too long, get too rich, and never, EVER step down. Nancy Pelosi? Joe Biden? They will do absolutely anything to stay in power (including Great Depression 2.0….bigger, better, badder).

Ironically this makes their one day successors even more outrageous and strident. It’s the only way to make themselves visible (see: AOC)

Member
Reply to  UFO
2 months ago

I think you’re actually ascribing more predictive capabilities to the elite than they had (and have). This whole shitshow started generations ago with each step being profitable to at least some of them at the time. Weakening national borders means cheaper labor and even some of the socially revolutionary craziness makes sense if you think in terms of markets. The old business elite was pro-natalist while the new one is feminist, pro-gay, and anti-natalist. That’s because they’ve seen the business case for women as independent consumer and worker units instead of as the creators of new consumers and workers through… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  pozymandias
2 months ago

The Great Replacement was top down. The WASP natalists were largely toppled in the revolution of 1913; this is why fobs and knobs like Empire Teddy, Puppet Wilson, HSBC Taft, and ‘the Butcher of Haiti’, FDR, were cultivated. Coolidge struck back with the immigration reforms of 1924, which bought our culture time. Note that the banksters struck back-back in 1929-1930, first with the crash of the Euro wheat markets and the English pound in January ’29, the shock wave of which hit ‘our’ overleveraged speculators in Black September. There was a dead cat bounce buying the dip in ’30, but… Read more »

Chris_Lutz
Member
2 months ago

One magic box thinking you continuously see is “We need to product X, now!!! It needs to be just like we did in WWII”

The funny thing is they have no inkling of how X is made. They fail to realize the disaster that global trade has been for our industries. You know where we can’t even make aspirin now. But hey, we can just magically conjure up production.

Drake
Drake
2 months ago

After watching the Democrats try to raid the Treasury for all their pet causes yesterday, it’s obvious this whole thing is nothing except a power grab. The treatment for anyone not already in terrible health is simple, cheap, and effective. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-ny-doctor-vladimir-zelenko-finds-100-success-rate-in-350-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-paks-video/
If the government wanted to “do something” effective, it would involve putting everyone in an infected area on malaria preventatives. Instead, power-grabs continue while the media panics the herd.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

I’m still shaking my head at Dems trying to ramp up abortion funding in a pandemic. Muh optics, oh gawd…

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

The last few years have revealed much, and one of those things is how stupidly the Marxists overreach. There is going to be economic catastrophe for at least some time. This BS will cause them to own at least some of it.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Death cults gonna death cult.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

I had the same response, optics. But then I had an even worse idea—that optics don’t matter—in short, we no longer matter. The political process cover has finally been tossed aside. Just two gangs fighting for turf.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Abortion is a sacrament to lefty women. Even newly minted righty women who’ve had one aren’t about to let anyone tell them it was a mistake. (guilt would be overwhelming).

GoodDog
GoodDog
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Jack Nicholson’s character in The Shining is me on anti-malarials. A sizeable percentage of the population do not handle this poison circulating through our bloodstream with civility. If you deploy anti-malarials against covid nineteen in great numbers you had best hide the scalpels, trocars and bone saws or else “redrum, r-e-d-r-u-m ….”

Drake
Drake
Reply to  GoodDog
2 months ago

Which one? I heard the Mefloquine has all kind of bizarre physiological side-effects. It was developed, then dropped by the military.

I was in group where we all took Chloroquine weekly for 5 months with absolutely no side effects.

GoodDog
GoodDog
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

The effects were so profound that I stopped taking them a decade ago. Fellow trekkers have since told me their experience with malaria was no worse than the flu. I haven’t contracted it yet or at least appear asymptomatic. A form of chloroquine for Asia was the least bizarre, and the first anti-malarial I was prescribed, although I took it more frequently than weekly this was spread over about six weeks. Lariam turned me into an original gangster. Malarone for Africa, from what of it I can remember, was the one that converted me into The Shining character. The primary… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  GoodDog
2 months ago

One friend decided to forgo the Chloroquine and do a bottom to top journey through India. The next time I saw him he was a really weird shade of yellow – which I thought hilarious as it was in Maine in January.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  GoodDog
2 months ago

Dog, that really depends of the flavor of malaria. There are four species that routinely infect humans, with P. falciparum being the absolute worst. Other forms are usually milder, although some can lay dormant in the liver and re-infect.

Still, no human body is in better shape after an infection than before it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Look, the drug is FDA approved and been in use since the mid-forties. Side effects are always a fear, but what’s the choice if your going to a ventilator anyway? Let folks choose. Albeit, passing such out on the street corner to asymptomatic people is probably suboptimal.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Still a better plan than lockdowns and multi-trillion dollar bailouts.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Drake, got me there. 😉

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Better than what’s going on right now is a low bar to clear!

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Its disgusting and demoralizing. But I don’t know if anyone outside the dissident wire even notice or care. In the crescendo of panic, a return to the status quo is intoxicating. As long as people feel that they are gonna get a slice, the black box Is working just fine thanks. I don’t see how they come through this without ending up with 75% of the dem platform in place. College loans are gonna go away. All those laid off waitresses with masters degrees? Feels like a compromise for the ages. Trump gets four more but the needle moves left… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

You have to wonder if those ‘government leaders’ would get that it’s satire.
(um…that is satire…isn’t it)?

Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
2 months ago

Prescient. Barr’s DOJ is demanding Corona police powers.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Drake
2 months ago

Wait, I thought the C&A anti-malarials cure was Nobel Laureate Dr. Michael Levitt of New York. Touted big time on Hannity yesterday.

Typical. So typical.
I wonder who’ll get the contract.

EsotericTrad
2 months ago

Radical change is unlikely to spring forth (https://theamericansun.com/2020/03/23/a-premature-celebration/) . The system is more resilient than many realize. Underlying it all are self-propagating systems.

Yourself and others are keen to say we are dooming the economy.

Yet the argument never seems to be brought up that following economic bounceback will be large.

This is in fact the historical pattern. West German, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam.

All were crushed and economies destroyed and bounced back.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

I agree with that – if the fallout from this affair doesn’t involve long-term legal changes to the economy. But… West Germany, Japan, and South Korea were pretty unpleasant places to live in the late 40’s into the 50’s. Not what I want for myself or my kid.

EsotericTrad
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Glad you made the destruction analogy because we don’t have that problem now. There are no rubble or ruins we need to rebuild. Instead we have QE and unlimited QE to funnel in. Modern monetary policy has been decided upon since 08. (The GOP are however squandering their chance for election. Make UBI happen and give people money…) What exactly do you think is going to happen when restrictions lift? Suddenly American’s won’t want to go get haircuts, nails done, eat out? These are the jobs being most lost during this. When they bail out the airlines do you suddenly… Read more »

EsotericTrad
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Regarding 08 ‘stagnation’ the perpetual growth meme is an interesting one to bring up. Are the main economic problems of’ today’ from the decade of stagnation? Does a massive illegal workforce stem from 08 and the stagnation? I don’t think so. You yourself have blogged about the corrupt elite taking money and jobs out of the country – this was the trend long before 08. 08 was and is a blip. Again I ask do you think that barbers who are furloughed now are not going to go immediately back to work as barbers to cut peoples hair? This is… Read more »

EsotericTrad
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

I think this has been illustrating to me to realize that people like yourself, ostensibly fellow travelers, are in fact committed to the current order deep down. Without an 08 recession the economy would be stronger. What comes with that? More Wokeness, more anti-white propaganda and actions. The Cathedral was stunted in 08. That was a good thing. If it gets stunted again and we don’t have the time of decadence for Drag Queen Story Hour anymore – I consider that a benefit. Or as you would say; it’s a tradeoff. I’ll trade a recessed economy for less Woke Capitalism.… Read more »

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

About the only thing in the magic box that might help is your past…”suspicion” I’ll call it, that as times get harder women will defer increasingly to men. I’ll admit that I thought it would have happened by now, but no dice, so I’m not sure it will ever happen.

EsotericTrad
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Just keep in mind amidst all your doomsaying about the economy and the effects this will have that population health didn’t actually decline during the last Great Depression
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19805076

miforest
Member
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

ET, This is a case of NIH trying to support the flavor of the day diet they like(high carb, soy,veg ) with misapplied data for a cargo cult result.

This is also a classic “post hoc ergo proctor hoc error” in reasoning .
A lot of medical and hygiene advances made during the roaring 20’s .showed results in the 1930’s

Antibiotics first entered widespread use in the 1930’s . do you think that might have been important in improved life expectancy?

Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

The argument seems to be, from the resilience of a service economy… to the resilience of a service economy?

The service economy that will save us from those icky, male-dominated factory jobs and the culture that follows?

(Even allowing for automation, as toolbox fashion is a guy thing.)

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

UBI is something I tactically support because it helps hollow out the Empire. I’d like our communities to be economically-based on something less “meta.” The worst part of our present system isn’t the market aspects. The elite capture, usury and cross-generational accumulation of debt are worse. This shitshow is exposing major flaws and hypocrisy in the present system and a UBI critique is good for pointing those out, but in itself UBI is not a solution for anything – it’s just another form of cross-generational can-kicking. I’m not a “pay your own way” lolbert but soaking future generations for more… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

UBI normalizes welfare and will backstop the modern day robber barons who populate our upper 1/10 of 1% elite. It has no other purpose than to establish a minimum wage for slaves.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Technology eliminates the value of labor and urbanization and its associated cultures makes it impossible to raise kids without an unacceptably high level of sacrifice.

How do we fix that without free religious capital we don’t have.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Having already been priced out of the rumored $1000+ check going to everyone else due to My “high income”, I can already see how UBI is going to shake out. My job will be to pay for it. For others. No thanks. I use a flip phone and drive a 23 year old car. (By choice) The fact that I’ll be paying for the installment payments on iPhone monthly payments and 7 year car loans for stupid people who can’t save a month’s income infuriates me to no end. Meanwhile, the currency gets inflated and my savings get worth less… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

“Boomer Remover” because they’re pissed, they know they’ll be paying the bill. Those warm brown hands in the nursing home may not be the only problem. Lord knows the hillbilly CNAs in rest homes across the South already ignore their clients. Poor, dear, sweet Mrs. Peebles, 104 years old and immobile, was moaning, “please turn me, please turn me, I haven’t been moved in hours” to the wife, a cleaner in one such home. (She did, and watched over the good Mrs. P after that.) The female managers and staff are too busy playing palace politics and smoking in the… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Its also probably inevitable as modernity cannot tolerate high levels of unemployment. As I’ve said before, we don’t need AI to wreck everything. We just need small incremental increases in the quality of software and robots , enough to make wages to low to buy enough to keep the lights on or for a disruption to create seriously unemployment. Hell an increase in “working at home” will nuke hundreds of restaurants and other businesses that cater to the lunch crowd causing massive spill over effects much as the transition to online media has for music, books and a lot of… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  abprosper
2 months ago

A few years ago, I asked a very wise retired hedge fund manager friend what will people do in a world with massive unemployment. “A convenient epidemic” was her reply. I don’t think that the epidemic is the coronavirus, but what do we do when technology is so advanced that half of the adult population is permanently redundant?

I think that there will be a return to the land because as long as you can eat and sell or barter your surplus food, you’ll survive. You may be poor, but you will survive.

Alzaebo
Reply to  abprosper
2 months ago

You don’t seize Apple cash to save an Apple economy.

You seize Apple cash to keep them from wrecking Your economy.

Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

UBI- dumb for who?
How ’bout own both the blood and the soil?
The labor and the “capital”?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

These countries also came up from the ruins relatively-debt free in addition to having a rich uncle – see Michael Hudson’s most recent debt jubilee piece at Unz (yes, lolbert economist but the debt jubilee’s a solid concept).

Burning the bank books is always going to have mass appeal. The banksters spend jillions on tactical libertarian shills like Shapiro to Judas Goat the public into voting to keep their children in debt-slavery.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Hudson is a Communist.

The debt-jubilee is not proposed in good faith. It is twirled like a magic wand to appeal to loan-burdened liberal arts graduates and the catladies at Naked Capitalism. The real objective is to remove the gravity that binds the entire system together, thereby destroying it and resetting to Year Zero.

The other, better, way, is to simply begin first intimidating and then liquidating the creditors, and expropriating the property of those who flee to Tel Aviv.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Vegetius
2 months ago

No peeking in my “magic box” until Hannukah, Veg. You’d be a very happy boy on Christmas Day, don’t worry.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Vegetius
2 months ago

Can they transfer their funds to an Israeli bank?

Alzaebo
Reply to  Vegetius
2 months ago

Hudson sells “practical Marxistism”, true, the State is always his ultimate savior. But! The aryan Babylonians introduced Jubilee, and used it to great effect. The neoAssyrian rulers of Egypt used jubilee to break Joseph’s ruinous taxation of grain and cattle, and drove the Hyksos back into razed Canaan/Old Babylon, where the potentate “K” built his temple to Ra-Amen, what we call the First Temple of Solomon. Hyksos priest Set-Moses, ‘Child of Set’, fled, leading his tribe of welfare workers through the Sea of Reeds delta, where they witnessed the tidal wave from Thera’s eruption that shattered the Israeli coastline.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 months ago

I ponder if the Thera eruption (there were several), what Plato called “Atlantis” in his political fantasy novel, was the main trigger for the Greek Dark Age, the Bronze Age Collapse, of which Homer’s Illiad and Odyssey are the only records. Solomon came later, even trusting the Habiru lunar calender; he probably refurbished an empty Temple, as have people been rebuilding the ruins of HarMegiddo, which has been twenty cities, piled on top of each other. The sturdy stones were simple to reuse. I also thought that the 9 tribes of the Sea Peoples might be Habiru Semites, but the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 months ago

Jeez. Sorry.
Triggered. Somebody said “Jubilee”.
And here I wuz, thinking “Collapse”.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 months ago

Absolutely.

You ought to go on Coast-to-Coast with this.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

The current fire is a Chinese production – I’m just using the heat to warm up my takes.

Things like this are going to happen b/c Clown World regardless of what we do. Might as well smell some roses, enjoy some sunshine and consider our glass half full while everyone else wipes themselves unto despair.

Why look a gift Horseman in the mouth?

Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

“Things like this are going to happen b/c Clown World regardless of what we do.”…

“Why look a gift Horseman in the mouth?”

Ho, standing O. Standing-fookin-O.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

I suspect debt forgiveness for student loans of some type is inevitable. The loans are a bad debt as it is now. Defaults are building and simply too many to pursue. Also all these indebted youth are not contributing to our consumerist economy, i.e., the can’t get out there and buy shit they don’t need.

And in support of such students, society sold them a bunch a goods under false pretenses—like a college degree is your ticket to a good life and then let colleges offer them phoney degrees in worthless disciplines.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

All that needs to be done is to re-liberalize the bankruptcy laws: let people take on the credit risk of discharging their debt. If lenders then want to lend to deadbeats, which they always do, especially with the Fed buying the notes, then so be it.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Sandmich
2 months ago

Feds need to go after college endowments for students who default who either 1.) don’t graduate and/or 2.) fail to learn a skill that can produce the income to pay the loan back.

Would force colleges to be MUCH more picky. It would also put at least half of them out of business. Will never happen.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 months ago

Of course colleges should be more picky, but no one will accept such. Minorities would go back to their traditional position of back ground noise, or magic 10%. And for Whites, half the population won’t accept that their darlings just are not college material.

Best we can do is to establish national merit testing and have the Fed’s pay full ride while limiting such to certain numbers of majors. Everyone else gets squat and pays their own way.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Sandmich
2 months ago

That will probably work too.

Member
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Forgiving the debt matters less than “and what do you do next?” Do you continue with federally subsidized and guaranteed student loans that are not tied to the value of the degree (ability to repay) and which allow the university to have no skin in the game? As long as you continue to privatize the benefits and socialize the costs, the problem will recur.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 months ago

Exactly, Viz – see 2008 vs. today – the same parasites have learned no lessons because they suffered no harm.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

We forgive the loans of anyone that actually learned something useful.

The sociology and girl science people can work their debts off via four years as a full-time asbestos-removal and lead-pipe replacement crewperson.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Debt jubilee, on the books, is a tool by which lenders do not get too carried away with lending, because the reckoning is built into the system as an agent to limit things, and everyone understands it. A random debt jubilee, in response to overloaded lending books, is simply a destructive reset to the system, that obliterates everything so something new can be built in its place. A properly wielded debt jubilee is something put in place now, to be triggered at a stated and specific date in the far future, so the lenders can shape up their act over… Read more »

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

the jubilee is a terrible idea. to get an idea of what borrowing would be like with periodic jubilees, consider payday lending . how does 100% interest sound?

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  greyenlightenment
2 months ago

grey, that will certainly keep the average person away from a lot of debt…which is not a bad thing in the long run. I get that credit jumpstarts a lifestyle, but how much effort and money is spent by the average household just paying interest? If you do a jubilee every ten years, for example, debt will be taken out that pays off when the jubilee hits. Which goes to my point, which is the economy can be structured around future, planned jubilees. To throw a jubilee out there in response to overdebtedness is simply setting the economy on fire.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

In the Fertile Crescent jubilees happened about once every generation or two, coinciding with a change of monarch or the like.

It’s primarily just a means of clearing multi-generational debt to prevent the usurers from hoarding all the capital over time. It’s too blunt a weapon for needs-based debt relief.

When lending is causing macro problems in your society, the lenders should take a haircut.

The “trickle down” idea that taxpayers will be rewarded for suffering to save the banksters has been disproven by the rapacious buybacks & self-dealing our present generation of elites has indulged in.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  greyenlightenment
2 months ago

Grey, the rulers of Mesopotamia were not idiots – they dealt with this kind of Talmudry from the beginning.
by outlawing those kinds of transactions under penalty of death, keeping jubilee dates uncertain and simply refusing to assist in or permit the collection of such debts, among other means.

Alzaebo
Reply to  greyenlightenment
2 months ago

Payday loans and pawnshops sound great, if I can fix the car to get to my job, or feed the kids tonight, without a month’s wait on paperwork.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Hudson did a good job in his book about debt jubilees to differentiate between commercial debt (no jubilee) and private loan debts (occasional jubilees). The former had long term value, the latter could accumulate to the point where individuals and their families could literally never escape debt, which helps no one in the longer term. I have no faith in any US politician to structure a debt jubilee in any form. They seem to do the opposite: protect commercial stupidites at all costs; force stupid loans taken by less sophisticated borrowers for dumb crap (like phones, or useless degrees) to… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

I don’t think our cities or culture is going to be reduced to rubble, Zman, but your question is still valid: “Who is the rich uncle now?” It COULD be a liberated marketplace, like America had prior to, say, 1932. But that would appear to be impossible, given our ugly statist reality. So our future may be Brazil or Argentina.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

Brazil or Argentina is likely the mean on this sort of thing, and reversion to the mean is powerful indeed. The trick is to carve out your own life and community amidst the squalor of the larger thing. Many Brazilians and Argentinians do just that.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

A liberated marketplace will just end up an Oligarchy worse than what we have. Our tech overlords will see to that.

The options that might work Distributism, Nationalist Populism Socialist Nationalism or some combination thereof.

Alternately we just take care of our own people and let modernity continue its catabolic collapse cycle .

Go long on minimalism and growing your own food.

Alzaebo
Reply to  abprosper
2 months ago

Social Capitalism.

M. B. Lamar
M. B. Lamar
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

A lifetime of doom-mongering media has made it really hard to say that everything will be all right. It just doesn’t feel right. Yet it almost always is. Hole in the Ozone, ice age, AIDS, rising seas, peak oil, Y2K, 9/11, SARS, Ebola, GFC, and now this. Admittedly they’ve gone all in. They want a literal depression, I think. No sports, movies, shopping, church, birthdays, anniversaries, weddings. Good thing about going all in, is all that’s left to do is show your cards. Well I say read ‘em and weep. America isn’t going to knuckle under to a bunch of… Read more »

Juri
Juri
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Roman Empire and other multicultural messes did not bounced back.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Juri
2 months ago

But the decline took centuries in the last case. The first two were in decline almost from their very formation.

Sandmich
Sandmich
Reply to  BadThinker
2 months ago

Ditto the Ottomans, but I should note that technology makes everything move faster.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Juri
2 months ago

I’ll add: The Ottoman Empire, and the Austria-Hungarian Empire. Both huge in their day, both torn apart by internal contradictions and racial/ethnic/religious groups wanting self rule.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Juri
2 months ago

Governments fell, but the People endure.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

Fertility rates in the developed world, including China here are far below replacement and the US and China are both at record lows.

That alone suggest that a system driven by the need for every increasing consumption and production is not sustainable.

Its got time, some at least but it is a goner.

Alzaebo
Reply to  EsotericTrad
2 months ago

Pre-gentrification and then gentrification, writ large.

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
2 months ago

Those of a certain age may rememmber this.
In the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons, there was a bit where Bullwinkle would say: Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!
You never knew what was going to appear from the hat, but it was never a rabbit.
There are loads of Bullwinkle’s out there saying virtually the same thing – and they know just as much as Bullwinkle did about what’s going to appear.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
2 months ago

The Globalists have to be pretty satisfied with just how easily most of the population rolled over on this.

In addition, the general population did the work of shaming the outliers for them. Prison rules will work on a larger scale, it seems.

Perma-Crisis will be easy to maintain, if they choose it.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  MemeWarVet
2 months ago

This is true now, and it is depressing. The demonization of the young people who won’t comply is Exhibit A. But if the lockdown continues much longer, there will be civil unrest. It’s hard to see how that works to their benefit.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 months ago

In the short cycle, civil unrest accelerates the need to invite and quarter federal troops and exta-constitutional laws to keep order and more importantly the “social-distancing” needed to prevent the china syndrome.

Luckily, as Meme notes, their psyop advance has primed the sheeple to self-police so the actual heavy lifting has been done already. The rest is procedural.

Cue Dennis Prager, et al. “Real patriots stay inside their homes!”

If they come for our guns, otoh, the long cycle is underway and then God help us all.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
2 months ago

283rd Division, enroute to Chicago. Governor Abbot already has the National Guard pacifying Dallas. Among the powers Champaign, Illinois Mayor Feinen gained after signing the executive order was the power to ban the sale of guns, ammunition, alcohol, and gasoline. Feinen could also cut off access to individuals’ gas, water, or electricity. * She signed a sweeping executive order giving her the ability to ban because of…Wuhan coronavirus? There are no cases of the virus in town or the surrounding areas. * Deborah Frank Feinen, signatory of the Champaign-Urbana Chapter of Bend the Arc Jewish Action’s pledge to Reject White… Read more »

Elementary Penguin
2 months ago

One thing we’ve definitely learned from all of this. When you lose a presidential election and somebody you don’t like wins, the best, most effective, most patriotic course of action is… — deny he is the president at all, declare the election phony, negate the people’s will, and accuse the winner of treason; — announce your intention to impeach the victor and nullify the vote before he even takes office; — publicly negate, contradict and defy every single word the new president says; — destabilize the new administration by relentless legal harrassment, violent threats and arrests of all the president’s… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
2 months ago

Helps when you have the entire Global establishment on your side – we won’t have that luxury when the Gap-Toothed Sheboon steps into 1600 at some future date.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
2 months ago

Best summation of the situation I’ve seen.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Elementary Penguin
2 months ago

Like I say, “all of which may be ensuring his reelection in 7 months.”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 months ago

It is impossible to know what the resolutions will be, and that assumes there are some. Magic Box, indeed. Nonetheless, we can all say the following have taken a huge hit:

1. China
2. Globalism
3. Living in dense urban areas
4. The federal government in general

I may not like how this winds down, and suspect totalitarianism will win the day, but those things bode very ill for those I hate. It will be interesting and so unpredictable it tempers both my hopes and my fears.

We don’t know. Tough to admit and it is why people consult the Magic Box.

Ullr
Ullr
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 months ago

Hood luck with your totalitarianism… slave

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 months ago

Since last night I’m seeing the first cracks in the media panic. Talk of how maybe we need to consider starting the economy back up. Coronavirus truther in chief using his bully pulpit to break through. What a relief.

Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 months ago

Well, here in OR our Grrl Governor has declared martial law, er I mean Total Double Sooper Dooper Lockdown, effective tomorrow. Of course this could just mean that she’s doing this while the panic still rages and before she loses her chance forever. Then her re-election campaign can be all about how she acted decisively and prevented 195,000,000 Oregonians from dying of Kung-flu.

Purple Dank
Purple Dank
2 months ago

There are only so many hot takes one can have on Coronavirus. Should we shut things down or should we keep them going? Is this serious or not as serious as it’s being hyped up to be? That’s pretty much all anyone is talking about. All blogs and YouTubers are boring at this point.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Purple Dank
2 months ago

I agree. We should be talking about how to use this to advance our prospects.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
2 months ago

They’ve removed the ball washers from the local golf course and required each golfer to use a separate cart. Oh the humanity! The tumbrels will be coming around each morning to collect the unwashed balls of the suffering masses.

Ganderson
Ganderson
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

You should walk the course anyway.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ganderson
2 months ago

Most courses here require carts, some have special days for walking. Faster you move, more tee times they sell.

Member
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

When Jonah Goldfart’s little newsletter goes belly up, I’m sure he can take up the slack. He’s a known expert at ball washing.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  RDittmar
2 months ago

Nah, Jonah’s of a group whose balls get washed, not the other way around.

Now Dan Crenshaw on the other hand…

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

When you read this and your first thought is how Carl Spackler will handle going sans ballwasher.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  The Right Doctor
2 months ago

Unwashed balls are a plague upon humanity.

GoodDog
GoodDog
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

Unwashed balls are a vibrant thang. I recently had a cab driver imported from Da Muddahland and the nasty smell was so bad I told harambe to pull over and let me out then just threw a twenty at him. Dude’s ballwasher was never even installed.

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
2 months ago

I wonder how low we will see the age limit drop before people REALLY start to panic. France just made being out of the house without permission a minor crime; 3,000-Euro fine, 6-months in jail. Better start leaving your cell phone at home if you want to go out to avoid being tracked. Germany will most likely shut the borders completely next week.

“Italy: We no longer help those over 60”

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
2 months ago

Real/good engineering does not actually work as a magic box You have input parameters, you have calculations, you have testing and and you have the final assessment based on these + sound engineering judgment If you lock the whole world for a significant amount of time you know what is going to happen even if that particular case never happened before Going back to engineering analogy that would be like designing a beam for 250 kips of load and loading it with 1000 kips and saying let us see what is going to happen We know what is going to… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
2 months ago

Just checked out Greg’s piece. I agree with most of what he says (as usual).

There was absolutely no need to bring up RamZ or Z at all – it added nothing to his point. No need to speculate on their motives.

Gratuitous call-outs and needless counter-signalling are just as harmful as deliberate subversion.

More grist for the “manners” piece I’m grinding (might be two posts with the latest examples of what not-to-do).

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

As is usual, Greg is brilliant but is a catty bitch.

I respect him tremendously, but he’s no more fit to lead than Spencer was.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Exile
2 months ago

Greg Johnson devotes all his considerable abilities, his entire life really, to something and then needlessly undermines it with outbursts of thoughtlessness.

Member
2 months ago

This is a little off topic, but I’m surprised that there’s been no discussion about what a backstabbing pair of t**ds Mittens Rombleycare and his mini me Mumbai Mike Lee are being right now. Because of their “self-quarantine” they can’t vote in the Senate so Cryin’ Chuck and the Dems are now in the majority and in charge during this “stimulus” vote. Why shouldn’t they basically expect to get everything they want now that they’re effectively in charge of both houses of Congress? And given what a rat fink WIllard has always been, it’s not too much of stretch to… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  RDittmar
2 months ago

Romney may be trying to hurt Trump, but Mike Lee is smart enough to see that doing the same thing can help, by showcasing exactly what the Democrats are at this crucial juncture.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
2 months ago

I give Lee zero credit at any time for anything. He started out as a tea party hero, got his chain yanked hard by business and the party, and is now an immigration and green card promoter. He’s worse than useless.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
2 months ago

We know the status quo, pre-virus, isn’t reachable; we know that the system rebooted and why. We know China is responsible. We know Europe responded like the syphilitic beggars they are. We know the people of PRC look at their leaders very differently now. We know globalism is a death trap; and that some industries and products have strategic value. To me, it looks like the old system just threw a rod and gakked itself. And everyone saw it happen. There has been pressure for real change (here in the US) for decades, and this societal disruption might grease the… Read more »

Tarstarkusz
Tarstarkusz
2 months ago

What we are doing is setting maniacs with machetes on the magic box. We are throwing sand onto the gears of a very complicated machine nobody understands just to see what will happen. But we have been doing it for years and years. No matter how many idiot lights are glowing red or alarms shrieking, people look at the engine, see that it hasn’t stopped and just assume the lights and alarms are faulty.
I am guilty of seeing the magic box and assuming unimaginable evil will come out.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Tarstarkusz
2 months ago

Thank you Tars. I’ve been guilty of creeping optimism lately. You are helping to bring me back to earth, to reality.

And yet….

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
2 months ago

While Europe is locked down and America businesses are quickly laying off workers, China is back to work.

No rest for the weary!

https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/nitrogen-dioxide-emissions-china-mk/

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Karl Horst
2 months ago

The consequence of each major crises is that it will bring stronger on the top They handled it better, they proved once more that they are significantly better organized and sane society led by more capable men
This will just speed up what was already inevitable, their domination over degenerate, weak and effeminate west

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
2 months ago

Exactly this. I’ve been meaning to write a comment detailing why China is going to emerge from this crisis stronger than ever and the US is going to exposed as a paper tiger, but work deadlines have prevented it. The globalist talking heads who are screeching that this virus puts an end to the Chinese Century have it precisely backwards. China can survive quite nicely without the US. This crisis has exposed the fact that the US is utterly and completely dependent on the manufacturing capacity that we so stupidly off-shored to China over the past 30 years. We lack… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
2 months ago

Or, they stopped counting, comfortable with mortal losses.

Or-or, if responsible, they saw their disruption strategy worked. They could count on the frenzied poodles of the West.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Karl Horst
2 months ago

Yes, but who are the Chinese selling to?

Karl Horst
Karl Horst
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, clinics…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Karl Horst
2 months ago

If there is no money for their goods? Pharma and others might be the exception because of inelasticity of demand, but other stuff seems doubtful. If we suffer a recession, so does China. We are their biggest trading partner. And of course there is hope that we wise up and restrict/limit trade in strategic items, which obviously includes Pharma.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Here, I’ll give you a piece of paper.

Howard Bloom, a shieking lefty (came up with “zero-sum”, smart), said China was buying time til they became an internal domestic market- with all the world eyeing those low renminbi prices.

Plus, the 82nd airborne won’t be bringing democracy and purple fingers, instead the Chinese will be making the local rulers rich- just as they did with the Clintons in Arkansas.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
2 months ago

Few outside of our cognitive class and higher functionaries in the clerisy can or will absorb and integrate into their belief system things presented in the straightforward, dry prose formats. If anything is to come of these many idea-forgers, theoreticians, analysts and presenters of our camp who have cropped up over the past decades on this or other media, then we have to make the terrific jump to terrain now fully owned and occupied by our opponents — to the creative arena. We can make no further headway if we are unable to do this. (NOTE: Not claiming this myself… Read more »

Stina
Stina
2 months ago

Its all a magic box. What comes out this magic box will be the inputs to the next magic box. There’s so little we can imagine. Its possible that we get more totalitarian on the elite output, but its possible we get more awareness in the populist output. And those feed into the next Magic Box. The hope is we can shift things without a lot of strife or too much break in civilization. That’s the best case scenario and this magic box seems like a well placed one to get that. But it is a best case. Worst case… Read more »

Member
2 months ago

Boeing 737-Max had the magic box whose sole job was to make the plane fly like previous models despite major airframe changes. We still don’t know if / when the 737-max will be approved to fly again.

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  Κύριε Οὖτις
2 months ago

That is a good analogy
Every single sound engineering analysis has shown that ii was not going to work
But well paid know nothings pushed it anyway
“C’mon these engineers, these are just you know numbers My gut feeling tells me it is going to work”

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Κύριε Οὖτις
2 months ago

K (Whatever); Boeing 737 Max is an outstanding illustration of how H1B Tech Globalization = Business Death, sooner or later. Boeing outsourced the control software to Bangalore to save a few bucks. Anybody who has ever had contact with Subcontinent students knows that brazen cheating is their entitled norm, both there and here. Competence tests unfairly strand in the way of Pajit (and his loudmouth sister) assuming the rightful places due them on account of being born into their cast, after all. But this mind set would never carry over into hard-to-check, black-box type code, right_? Boeing’s big, possibly insoluble,… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
2 months ago

If things get back to normal quickly, I look forward to buying lots of toilet paper on the street for next to nothing.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 months ago

Toilet paper doesn’t go bad, so just stick it in where you have the space and take one when needed. So, it lasts a year? One less item to buy at the supermarket.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
2 months ago

Can the daughter and the niece come by for a visit? They’re out.

H I
H I
2 months ago

We’re seeing a real path for a return to quasi-normalcy by sometime in the fall. I’m skeptical about a vaccine, even for next year, but I find credible an estimate that we should have an antigen test by May-June (this would be like a pregnancy test, i.e. specialized, cheap, and fast, unlike the versatile and expensive PCR). Widespread testing would allow relaxing a lot of the social distancing rules. We’re also seeing the private sector react well. Musk supposedly already delivered his promised 1000 ventilators to LA (hopefully he built them, rather than bought them). Wars are periods of extraordinary… Read more »

Anon
Anon
2 months ago

“There are a lot of people on this side that are cheering the lock down. They think it will forever discredit the things they don’t like.” Time and time again, people on our side imagine that because to them an observable phenomenon constitutes incontrovertible validation, every one else will be compelled to admit that they were right all along. Forgetting in the process that the same reality can be grist to many mills. The Yellow Vests in the winter of 2018/2019 was a case in point. Our side’s coverage was an orgasm of wishful thinking and self-delusion: the neoliberal world… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Anon
2 months ago

Anon, I like your thinking. Pressing home the narrative is of course essential, but it’s nice to have a series of events play out which logically supports the narrative. I agree all the grifters will spin events to support their world view. Most of my audience I doubt is at the level of even concluding any narrative connecting such events at all. I’ll provide them my version/vision. Find a vacuum, fill it. Easier than changing an already established perception.

Member
Reply to  Compsci
2 months ago

Last night, as I am checking into the Hampton Inn, the female desk clerk tells me that she “would do as she is told” and that she “will go where she is told to be.” This after I had taken several minutes to engage her with corona chat, asking her whether she had considered the costs of cratering the economy and whether she had any confidence in Dr. Anthony “chicken little” Fauci (she did not know who he is). You are right that it is easier to find a vacuum and fill it than trying to change an already established… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
2 months ago

In the end, restaurants and movie theaters, barbers and beauticians, money men and political men matter not. Costco and skill sets are what matter. This is a clarifying experience. It won’t keep us out of the Brazilantina outcome, but priorities have been made clear.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dutch
2 months ago

Barbers and beauticians most definitely do matter, Dutch! My husband and son were schedule for haircuts in a few days. When I texted this morning, the guy said he was still working. About an hour ago he texted he was just closed down by the damned county (with all of 8 fatalities in DFW). Although my son prefers his hair short, he’ll do okay. My husband has curly hair though – somehow I don’t think a grey-fro will suit him.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
2 months ago

My observation is if it spins back up and 401k balances rise again? Not many lessons are going to be learned and the tech giants just grabbed more power. The Kennedy Center gets its gay art financed and tranny week celebrations continue.
Us boomers still live and watch our 401k balance daily.
It will take the great collapse to change anything and we may or may not be close to that?
The Federal Reserve has just been spinning along fine since 1913.
The music is gonna stop
But whether that is now or 10 or 20 years from now who knows?

theRussians
theRussians
Member
2 months ago

well, we know one thing, all the monkeys are at their typewriters plunking away. the incoherence and noise is intolerable. This isn’t even fun to watch.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 months ago

Appropos of nothing, but telling in that it illustrates how much the Magic Box is a clutched straw and how all this plays out is uncertain. My local Fox affiliate this morning aired a segment about how Wuhan has bounced back and is up and running. Yet yesterday it emerged there were cases starting to pop up there and in provinces adjoining Hubei. The ayatollahs of Globohomo knows this will bite them in the ass at least to some degree, so their propaganda whores are having to put on a Big Show that would make Chairman Kim blush. They will… Read more »

vxxc
vxxc
2 months ago

Z probably your best post ever: and whatever happens this is America so it will be Federated- that is to say varied and distributed. It will also be Supersized; it’s what we do.

Ultimately surveillance means nothing if you don’t have the army and police- and they don’t. And we have guns.

But worst of all they just lost the middle class; the real middle class- the shopkeepers.
They are the people’s natural sergeants, captains and lieutenants.

Brace thyselves. This time really is different.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 months ago

What ties us together as a country? It’s not really ethnicities. We’re now a buffet of ethnicities. It’s not culture. The elites think they’re strengthening the country by doing this. They think it’s a magic box full of social capital. They’re looking for this WW2 era moment when everyone supported the leaders and gladly took their ration cards, etc. What they don’t understand, is that thanks to a half century of their policies the only thing tying us together is the dollar, or what will be left of it after we have unlimited “easing” and many rounds of stimulus (You… Read more »

greyenlightenment
2 months ago

>It’s possible that some of those things Greg Johnson lists will come true. It’s also possible that none of them will happen. People are remarkably resilient to reality, as we see with the panic. If your first response to the prospects of a pandemic are to fill your basement with toilet paper, you are unlikely to draw the best lessons from this panic and its results. The ruling class, the people who triggered this panic, are also unlikely to abandon all the things that allow them to be in power. ———————- The argument is, if things have been going against… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
2 months ago

After 911, I was astonished that they doubled down on immigration and globalism. This was after I had taken the red pill, but before I taken the black pill.

Nothing astonishes me anymore.

Member
2 months ago

The Columbus Dispatch is trumpeting the headline “Coronavirus’ horrific toll on Ohio economy,” but since only six people have died and only 104 have been hospitalized in the state, it’s much more accurate to say “Coronavirus panic’s horrific toll on Ohio economy.”

ETA: By far the most cases are up in Cleveland and, let’s be honest, nobody really cares about Cleveland.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 months ago

“Cleveland leads the nation in drifters!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

Member
Reply to  RDittmar
2 months ago

“This train is carrying jobs out of Cleveland!”

I love that video.

Lol, he’s got a second one.

So The Cleveland Board of Tourism was not happy with the first video that I turned in. In fact, they said that upon viewing it, three of the board members moved away.

They insisted that I turn in a proper Cleveland tourism video, otherwise they will pursue litigation.

https://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM

“At least we’re not Detroit!”

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
2 months ago

I had a job interview in Cleveland once and the guy who took me to lunch made it a point to take me to what he claimed to be the first electric street light in America, so I guess we can never take THAT away from them.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 months ago

I love how India is shutting down entirely for this. A country where people swim in raw sewage and dead bodies of a “holy” river and the plague still sweeps villages. Getting Coronavirus doesn’t even move the needle there. Of course this is about an Indian economy that was already failing and now the leadership can blame “the virus” for that. And in another year start a nuke war with Pakistan as another deflection. This is a silly silly world. The kind of era that historically existed just before the outbreak of major wars.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Why I love zman . . . I’m pissed off about cancelled haircuts and panicky AWFLs and you make me laugh.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Consider the Bodhisattva. A lot of hand washing to keep up with there.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

Never Get Involved in a Land War in Asia

Member
Reply to  thezman
2 months ago

In Soviet India, subcontinent infects you!

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 months ago

Virtue signaling on its highest compounded by an enormous delusion of grandeur
While declaring “war” on corona virus each of these clowns sees himself alike to the old drunkard Churchill, resolute and firm in face of the enemy
Vomit Inducing

FashGordon
FashGordon
2 months ago

I really doubt that they will be able to fix this by just printing money, but then again it seems to have worked for today. Guess we’ll see. You know who certainly has no way of arising by the same vector. Civic life is dead in America, replaced by a curated, censored and artificially manipulated digitized public space. The reason Spencer is allowed to remain in this space is that the man is a joke and therefore serves as a convenient foil for them. No, this situation is entirely novel, no nation has ever existed quite like this one. The… Read more »

Balkan Fanatic
Balkan Fanatic
Reply to  FashGordon
2 months ago

Spencer is a clown who lives off his reach parents I think he never worked a single day in his life
That is why he is rooting for the doom while at the same time engaging in the hypocrisy of highest order
Is there a really a single intelligent being who believes that this narcissistic asshole cares for anything other than self promotion and betterment

FashGordon
FashGordon
Reply to  Balkan Fanatic
2 months ago

Right, which is why the media propped him up and allows him to remain on twitter. Like I said, he is a useful foil for them. He is their straw-man of us. Used to discredit our ideas.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
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Reply to  FashGordon
2 months ago

The more I think about it, the more I believe the best historical analogy for America is the Byzantine Empire.

peter connor
peter connor
2 months ago

Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine have been known by the CDC to be effective against all coronoviruses, including SARS, since 2005…But the magic box wouldn’t produce money for Big Pharma, as these drugs are off patent and cheap to make….so, CDC is reluctant to endorse them….Or maybe there are other reasons, like control…..https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/03/18/analysis-of-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Member
2 months ago

What is more likely is that regular white people suffer immensely and the evil ((banksters)) will be perfectly fine, just like before.