Lenin’s Ghost

Probably the only thing that everyone in modern America can agree upon is that we now live in a hyper-partisan age. The modifier is needed, as we used to lived in a mildly partisan age. Before that, American politics was about coalitions. The parties represented factions willing to compromise to some degree. Either this hyper-partisanship is a natural end point of liberal democracy, perhaps a prelude to civil war, or something happened in the last quarter century to get us here.

The first place to start is with Lenin, as he is the man credited with introducing both the term and concept into the West. The term was coined to counter objectivity in political economic analysis. Lenin rejected the idea that there is some objective good for all of society, because true objectivity is impossible when the interests of one class of society conflict with the interests of other classes. Therefore, the only rational politics is one in which you expressly advocate for the interests of your side.

In America, where the Marxist sense of class identity has never taken hold, party affiliation was the closest we had to partisanship through the Cold War. One would support a party out of family tradition or maybe regional affiliation, even when the platform of the party did not directly appeal to your interests. Loyal Democrats, for example, would argue that the party was best for the country as a whole. It was the blend of tradition, objectivity and republican virtue.

This is no longer the case in America, Partisanship is now much closer to the concept Lenin had in mind. The anti-Trump people, for example, hate Trump for entirely partisan reasons. Not only is republican virtue no longer a consideration, but policy itself is no longer a factor. Under Obama, for example, his partisans championed public works projects. They now reject those same projects, the very notion of them, because Trump now supports them. All politics is person and partisan.

Oddly, in a country that is decidedly middle-class, bourgeois objectivity with regards to public policy is now alien. A candidate talking about the general welfare would sound strange and unnatural. Similarly, the party factionalism has faded away. What are the interests of the Democrats and Republicans? The only thing that is true is global enterprise underwrites both parties. Otherwise their squabbling represents no practical interests of any definable interest group.

Has there been a Lenin in the American story who can be blamed or credited with introducing hyper-partisanship to our politics? The place to start, of course, is the founding. That is, the second founding. Was Lincoln a partisan and did he make explicitly partisan appeals? There’s no evidence for it. Lincoln’s public utterances were appeals to republican virtue and objectivity. The sadism of the abolitionists could be interpreted as partisanship, but they were just fanatics.

Even if Lincoln could be called the first partisan, it did not stick. The erecting of confederate statues, the ones now being demolished, was an effort to end the animosity between the two sides. Partisans have no sympathy for their enemies, even when they are thoroughly defeated. FDR is another good option, but again, he saturated his rhetoric in bourgeois objectivity. In fact, FDR and the ruling elite were quite fearful of the sort of partisanship introduced by the Marxists.

If we are to find an American Lenin, it is much closer to our time. The best candidate would have to be Bill Clinton. It was in his administration that objectivity was dispatched from public discourse. He and his people shamelessly lied, and their media partners greedily repeated the lies. A man willing to debate the definition of the word “is” in a deposition is not a man who accepts the concept of truth. The only thing that mattered to the Clintons was what was good for them.

That is an important fact about American partisanship. The Clinton machine was not representing a class or even a coalition. The only thing that mattered to the Clinton machine was what was good for the Clinton machine. They were willing to say and do anything that furthered their interests. The interests of others, even the interests of the country, were not a consideration. In fact, harming others was also their fallback position, if they could not gain a direct benefit.

This hyper-personal, hyper-partisanship was not a natural element in the Bush machine, but it was imposed on them. The whole Bush as Hitler thing was a direct effort by the Left to make their political differences with the Bush administration about the personality of Bush and his people. The Left still hates Dick Cheney, even though he has been out of politics for a dozen years. Of course, Obama is the David Koresh of the cult of anti-racism and anti-whiteness.

Now, the problem with the Lenin analogy, and any parallels drawn between this age and the Bolsheviks, is that this form of partisanship evolved within popular government, rather than in opposition to authoritarianism. An “us against them” mentality is a necessary component to revolution. American hyper-partisanship did not evolve to topple power or even to promote an alternative to power. It evolved among the power elite as a way to solidify their power.

Personal partisanship is the natural consequence of popular government. The Greeks did not have parties, they had personalities. Factions were labeled the “followers of” some notable politician. In the Roman Republic a similar system existed. Factions within the Senate were built around people. As America has slowly abandoned the republican political culture in favor of democratic culture, it is inevitable that factionalism would give way to personal partisanship.

On the other hand, this is akin to saying that the Bolshevik Revolution would have happened if Lenin never existed. By putting all of the emphasis on historical process, the people making events become spectators. History is the blend of people, events and ideas. In this case, the long Cold War and the natural evolution of liberal democracy was the perfect ground for a megalomaniac like Bill Clinton to introduce hyper-partisanship into American politics.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
1 day ago

The US may not have had authoritarianism to develop against historically, but it’s certainly here now.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  MemeWarVet
1 day ago

The average American, with the exception of a tiny fraction is roped in with Social Security, SSDI, Medicare, Medicaid, Section 8 or some other transfer program. Our liberty was sold to FDR decades ago for a hand full of stale, Bismarck biscuits during the depression. We wouldn’t know liberty if it bit us in the ass. Hell, even in the third world money talks. You could have the DMV in Guatemala detail your car if you pay them enough. Land of the Free my ass. Freedom to be a drone on a Rascal in Walmart. This is why the Republicans… Read more »

Tullamore92
Tullamore92
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Not quite what you’re saying, but any time I hear someone go on about the USA being the “land of the free” I challenge them to pop open a beer and walk down the street.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

The US has had a religious jihad against liquor since the 19th century if not earlier. We went to the trouble to amend our Constitution to prohibit it.
The damage this did to our rule of law was incredible but the tendency to religious mania just won’t go away.
This is why we have fake race/culture riots mostly by White people right now.
Unfortunately the puritans weren’t wiped out back in 1660or some time traveler didn’t cap Cromwell so generations later we have to deal with their nonsense.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Maybe if the British had linked up at Saratoga and isolated New England from the rest of the colonies, things would have turned out better. Certainly different.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

Yes. Perfect Example.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

What gets me is the “Leader of the free world” line.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

I get what you are saying, but… That brings me to thoughts of the bad days in NYC pre-Gulliani. Came back for a visit as my father was in hospital. Walked the streets in the old neighborhood business center. First thing I noticed were numbers of feral Blacks walking the crowded streets drinking from 40oz beer bottles from the convenience store. No shame, no fear, no hiding the fact. Walking into stores, and even tossing the empty bottles into the steel wire trash bins—not that they were a tidy bunch—but that it made such a sound when the glass shattered.… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Let’s see back in the 30’s when the US had stopped immigration and was 90% White. Where to begin? The Dust Bowl and the Depression , an entirely internal one BTW , trade was less than 10% of the entire economy both import and export. Ah yes .Bread lines , people were suffering from severe malnutrition (beriberi was common before Roosevelt’s regulations) and very possibly outright death by starvation The States and the vaunted private sector charities overwhelmed couldn’t do anywhere near enough. Things were so bad Americans were stopped at the borders by other states. Congress was too busy… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

And then what? What happened by 1938? The depression got worse! And then by 39 FDR was eyeballing Europe for a war, gambling on war like a good statist at the end of his rope, after promising us he wouldn’t. We “won” the war only because our productive machine remained unharmed in the world. And then what? Did taxes ever go down? Did any of these programs outside of the CCC go away (ironically the most honest one)? Now my age group is saddled with picking up all of the used condoms on the floor after the party. We’ll be… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Did you expect people to throw away a useful tool like a social safety net?
The reason they didn’t go away is people wanted the programs, it is as simple as that.
In any case people being clean and upright doesn’t seem to have much correlation with Roosevelt’s programs. People were fine into the 70’s , 80’s and even the early 90’s .
What is killing is a whole bunch of things, none of them being a social safety net.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

People wanted the programs. Yes. Why? Because they never gave a flying F about freedom. They always vote for security. Fast forward to today where if people were told they to preserve their “benefits” the would have to eat cat shit while wearing a leash and begging they would say “okay, how much?” And by the way this very system created the immigration problem we have because it removed the SKIN IN THE GAME for the average worker. The price of wages used to be front and center in discourse. And you’re deluding yourself if you think these transfer benefits… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Freedom to starve is no freedom at all.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

And why was this depression so different than 10 others before it? Because a Ken Burns documentary said so? My family did fine back then, despite watching the farm policies of the time mow down food in fields and throw milk into ditches.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Which is why food was destroyed in the middle of the depression.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  skeptic16
1 day ago

Having bad policy choices does not negate the value of other policy choices.
Regardless of that, Roosevelt put a near end to hunger in the US which is more than anyone else did.

David
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

The social safety net bribes low IQ teen highschool dropouts into having the highest birth rates. 3 generations later, their math & reading scores are worse, crime is worse, and they are absolutely sure thats because of white privilege. You cant have welfare with diversity or immigration. We become the worlds outhouse. Blacks and latinos dont even pay enough taxes to cover the cost of their welfare consumption. It was a cannonball right through the hull in the ship. We can see it attracts politicians to promise them free stuff to keep voting blue. Then it escalates to releasing their… Read more »

Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

I think both of you have good points. My take on social welfare is that it should have been implemented much more carefully and also cynically than it was. People supporting a strong social safety net cannot also support mass immigration on a planet where at least half the inhabitants can make twice what they do working at very hard jobs by moving a few thousand miles and doing absolutely nothing. This is so obvious (to me at least) that whatever legal and constitutional changes were made to allow social welfare should have included an amendment that outlawed immigration from… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  pozymandias
1 day ago

It’s precisely the social safety net that allows the lower classes, of all races, to sit at home and eat Doritos and smoke marijuana rather than get low rung jobs. And it’s not until you get the low rung job that you look around, then look at your pay check, and realize the danger of immigration, which is literally stealing from the poor and middle class. Our immigration problem will be solved within five years of a safety net implosion.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Then it’s not a safety net.

Last edited 1 day ago by Alzaebo
abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  pozymandias
1 day ago

I agree with you here.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  pozymandias
1 day ago

Bingo. As soon as politicians realized they could use productive people’s money to buy unproductive people’s votes, the “game” was on.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

Technology makes more and more people unproductive every year. Has for nearly a century. Whether its shovel ready jobs being replaced by a backhoe or Amazon destroying retail, efficiency means lower wages for all. If the cost of goods were always declining faster and there was enough employment to make do, this would be fine. This never happens, Instead a few tech elite become filthy rich and everyone else suffers. We’ve seen this since 1973 or so when the US went low fertility and has never recovered. Until modernity is controlled No one has, no one will. Ever. Of course… Read more »

brunob
brunob
Reply to  CompscI
2 hours ago

this belongs on a t-shirt, or maybe several million of them

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

the US did go NDSAP, just our own brand of it with Disney characters instead of Hugo Boss designed uniforms. One that appeals to grown children.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

I get your point but I’d say our society is a bit more USSR in the intervention and lack of social energy area.
An NDSAP styled USA would never have allowed immigration or porn or probably the commercial Internet.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

If you look at the nuts and bolts policies of that system, we pretty much replicated it, excluding the racial realism. Actually the inverse of it Especially monetary policy. And now, as it fails, we get to flirt with more Soviet solutions.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

That’s NSDAP: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago
Whatever, the holding pen for future NASA scientists. 
JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

the holding pen for future NASA scientists.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

But FDR actually campaigned as an ambiguous conservative.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

How come the land of the free with lt 5% of the worlds population has 25% of the people in cages?

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

That’s not even the worst part, it’s the tax and regulatory cages that are much more insidious.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

We could do far better on regulation but no matter how you sort it modernity and urbanism are expensive. You can pay more in wages or in taxes but if you want people to have children its either that or taxes. Its 2020 and if they don’t have money enough , the number of babies drops. The absolute floor in the West is about half the number required to sustain the population. we are getting close to that. Now if you want to get rid of welfare for single moms, this is not a bad thing. It will result in… Read more »

Last edited 1 day ago by abprosper
skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

Not justifying our so-called justice system, but in most places, you can bribe your way out. Or they actually use the death penalty. And how competent are the cops in Nigeria?

jimmy
jimmy
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

We had higher standards.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  jimmy
21 hours ago

Than Switzerland?

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

Because Blacks.

Barnard
Barnard
1 day ago

What major policy positions of Dick Cheyney does the average leftist disagree with? He is supportive of liberal social issues, they were fine with our forever wars when Obama was in office and want Trump to start more of them. They don’t seem to have much beyond where tax rates should be set and Obamacare. Very few of them seem capable of understanding how they have been conditioned.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

Plus, Cheney at his height was viewed as part of the expert class, a heroic guvment man.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

True. In his way, how is Cheney different from Joe? Bad heart instead of demented brain; but very similar graft-prone trough snuffing via Haliburton rather than the Ukraine after long, indistinguished government career crowned by the most useless, tits on a boar political office on offer — the Vice Presidency.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Maus
1 day ago

The main differences? Cheney appeared to have higher IQ than Creepy. He had a smooth, “corporate” way of talking, like he was telling you where his secret fishing hole was; like lean in, listen.

He was there to babysit the drunk fool he served “under”. Biden was a token.

They both got filthy rich, and never met a scheme beneath their level of morals.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

I despise Cheney but he does come across well in an interview or debate. Very matter of fact, rational and never emotional. Always keeps it under control. I remember him debating Lieberman and saying how he wanted to give Lieberman “a chance to explore the opportunities in the private sector”.
Anyone ever see the pic of Cheney watching the 9/11 attacks on TV with his feet on the desk?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

He was there to babysit the drunk fool he served “under”.

Cheney ran the Dubya WH, at least on the foreign policy side.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Maus
1 day ago

“Haliburton rather than the Ukraine”

Make that “Plus Ukraine” Cheney was a member of the US-Ukraine Chamber of Commerce,

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

Cheney talked like a damned robot. “Known unknowns”, etc.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago

I always considered that typical “corporate speak”.

Aka bullshit.

Obama used it, just added a lot of “ums” and “uhs” to sound as if he had gravitas when he read off the teleprompter.

Same bullshit, for stupid people to absorb.

Member
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

What Gin Rummy* was getting at was actually a legitimate bit of epistemology, often called the Johari Window. When I was still a cubicle drone I noticed that bits of analytical philosophy and psychology would often turn up in bowdlerized form in corporate PowerPoints in our 6 hour meetings where nothing was decided. Since the people recapitulating them were just trying to sound smart while actually being too stupid to grasp the concepts they were supposedly expounding on the results were often hilarous. The media’s agreed upon buzzword “gravitas” for Obama’s gibberish reflects the convergence of corp-speak and gov-speak in… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago

That was Rumsfeld. When asked where tge WMDs in Iraq were, he replied that they were “North, South, East and West of Baghdad”.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  skeptic16
1 day ago

But…he did not like Bush the Elder. I heard him on TV say that Bush was an elite snob who felt that he was “to the manor born”.

Take the time hack to 5:45…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWiH84COZf0

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
20 hours ago

That was Rumsfeld: The other buttock of the same bum.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

What you talking about? It doesn’t have anything to do with policy it’s the person being hated. You can watch the left shift on a dime if the wrong person supports what they like they will come out in opposition. Some weird version of The Devil’s Advocate

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  whitney
1 day ago

A leftist will oppose Trump’s tariffs on China on his way to a protest against corporate power.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

The average leftist disagrees with what the immediately adjacent average leftist disagrees with – apply this recursively until foaming with hatred and resentment and expounding dogmatic thoughts on funny concepts like ‘equality’ and ‘fairness’.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

Think of taxes and social programs as race-based jizya and you understand the disagreement, although even Cheney would have allowed for it up to a certain income level.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

You are overlooking the key trait of the radical, his extreme polarization. Would you hate a man who was powerful, a potential ally, that you knew shared 95% of your moral and ethical beliefs, but you were disappointed by 5% that didn’t coincide, even, perhaps if they were matters of little relevance? No, you probably wouldn’t. Most normal people would welcome such a man into their lives. But the Radical would hate him, because he failed whatever the one litmus test is for that radical.
The current fashion is whether or not someone is “racist.”

Last edited 1 day ago by Ben the Layabout
tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 day ago

Yet, if you actually use their definition of white supremacy, they are almost all white supremacists. In the age of modern liberal democracy, white supremacist is almost infinitely flexible and there really isn’t a universally agreed upon definition. Sending a black person to jail, even if they just killed their mother and 2 innocent bystanders is white supremacy. The radical feminists who founded BLM have no problem whatsoever throwing black “deadbeat dads” in a cell for as long as is necessary to force them to pay This is the age of flexible definitions. Men can menstruate and women can get… Read more »

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 day ago

Most normal people would welcome such a man into their lives.”

Even if he happened to be black or Jewish?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
1 day ago

Good question.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
1 day ago

In those cases, you would have to assume an ulterior motive (the jew) or a cash payment (the negro).

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  skeptic16
1 day ago

Why would one have to assume that?

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

Notice how Cheney’s daughter is now the Rep for WY. The nepotism is worse than ever. How stupid do you have to be to vote for someone like that? Clearly the people of WY have frost bitten, wind burned brains.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Could be nepotism. Or it could be that she actually holds views that are popular in Wyoming. I honestly do not know.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 day ago

Dick Cheney is widely respected in Wyoming and represented that tiny state well for many years at least according to the Neo Con values that rather White and very out of touch state holds.
Odds are his daughter probably knows everyone who is important and in an informal way a lot of regular folk.
After all the entire state population is like a shade over 500k.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

As conservative as Wyoming’s reputation, Liz Cheney is a Lesbian and a promoter of gay rights. So I guess we can say White Wyoming is poz’d, but the hunting is good.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

No one cares much about homosexuality. They haven’t in many decades since mostly until recently it didn’t effect them. Gay marriage still hasmany detractors but as Path Buchanan found to his astonishment, quoting here “to younger people being homosexual no more signifcant than being left handed” Also the US isn’t a religious country, not really. It has the trapppings of one but its LARPING if you doubt me, when is thelast time anyone tried to regulate porn in a serious way? Even the great “Evangelical” movement has petered out and lost retention. Its why DR people waiting around for a… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

That’s the little sister. But I’m sure Liz does some carpet diving too. Wouldn’t you if Dick Cheney was your father figure?

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

Liz Cheney is not the lezbo. It’s the other daughter, Mary that munches carpets. Though the Cheney’s are supportive of the alphabet people. I think Cheney’s wife wrote an erotic novel.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  skeptic16
1 day ago

I stand corrected. Put Wyoming back in the good guy’s corner. 🙁

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

That’s my point. The Cheneys are well respected in that state. And they bring home the bacon. This in the so called “cowboy state,” that looks down their loses at “the left coast.” Hypocrites all. They sit there in Casper, wind blowing at 40 mph as usual, eating the same Fox News shit as any other state. Listening to the same awful Sean Hannity, only with a tumbleweed blowing outside the window. But they’re free.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

So what do you expect them to do?
I grew up for a spell in that State and its more empty than you can imagine.
Might as well watch cable.

Last edited 1 day ago by abprosper
skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

Where was the film “Brokeback Mountain” filmed???

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Is she the only rep?
Any other State have more Senators than House Members ?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska and Vermont possibly others.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Or it could be that he used his Iraq, Ukraine, and uranium profits to buy western Wyoming, his mining, oil, and Jackson Hole Hollywood fiefdom.

For some reason, I can picture him in Dark Lord robes with a giant horned headdress.

Last edited 1 day ago by Alzaebo
abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 day ago

Cheney has an artificial heart and is known to carry his old heart around with him in a jar. Make of it what you wish.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 day ago

Jesus.

Tullamore92
Tullamore92
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

I was living in North Carolina when Bob Dole’s wife flew in for 2 weeks to qualify to be their senator. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

That is something the DR needs to change. You must be registered and live (with a few exceptions) continuously in a State for ten years to vote and only voters may hold public office.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Even better, no voting rights for those not born in the US of natural born citizen parents (both). This would push the vote out a couple generations such that we’d have the best chance of absorbing foreigners into the culture—and yes, I’ve just disenfranchised myself.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

Not a bad thing. Throw in 21, married with children and owns property and we have something.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Yes, not to the exclusion of other, reasonable tests. Age could be raised for example to eliminate folks coming out of college with zip experience in making a living and paying taxes.

Sorry AB, I have paid attention and note you have thought and posted on this in the past. I’ve become distracted I guess by all the damn foreigners coming in and going to Congress as of late (Obama?)

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

Don’t sweat it. We get new people around here and they benefit from hearing a rehash.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

Not happening, of course. “America” is moving in the opposite direction, enfranchising every riff and raff imaginable.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

Something like will be incorporated into Whiteland’s constitution.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  abprosper
1 day ago

I’d go further: Only Natural Citizens may vote or hold office.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

I’m fine with that.
To my way of thinking only the children of 2 natural born citizens at any location or a married citizen and legal person born in the US should have birth right citizenship.
No US citizen may have dual citizenship either.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

Amen,bile.

Slavetrader Ilhan Omar and Palestinian welfare bum family Rashida Tlaib are our version of Mashed Majid.

Who the F are they to come and lecture us on our endless sins?

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Maus
Maus
Reply to  Barnard
1 day ago

Interests can be roughly divided into two classes: economic and cultural. Economic interests are simply a resource scramble, and no point in human history has been without some struggle between the haves and have-nots of some sort or another. The folly of Marxism was to collapse all of history to this economic struggle. But the real source of antipathy is the evolution of cultural interests, which were kicked into hyperdrive after the Enlightenment weakened religion and exhalted the human individual as the focal point. As the idea that each individual is the only arbiter of what is best in life… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
1 day ago

Therefore, the only rational politics is one in which you expressly advocate for the interests of your side. Absolutely something that needs to be drilled into as many whites as possible in the demographic age. I have lost count of the amount of times that a premier of my nation has began speaking as though he cares about us all. As always, it is the partisans that have the supporters most likely to go the distance for the cause, whereas the tepid middle-grounders may have the numbers that voice support for them but will never go further than that. In… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

There is nothing wrong with keeping one’s or one’s group’s interests primary. However, the distinction I take from Z’s essay is the loss of the concept of the greatest good for all. In real-world negotiations, it’s entirely possible that getting what you want would be a disaster to all (including you) in the end, but equally possible that a slight compromise might be a net good to you and to others as well.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 day ago

However, the distinction I take from Z’s essay is the loss of the concept of the greatest good for all. Interesting. That is a sad loss. But it is an absolutely understandable loss when you’re dealing with groups who just don’t care about you. As this demographic thing takes off, I suspect that we really are – along racial lines, at least – going to have to put our own interests first and learn how to do so quickly. What the greatest good for all may be is of course dependent on the people who make up your society. As… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

The loss of the concept of the greatest good for all is an absolutely understandable loss when you’re dealing with groups who just don’t care about you. Yes. Thus bioleninism.

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B123
B123
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

Yep. Was re-reading The Bell Curve recently, and was struck by how out of date it is. It might be true, but it is only accurate for a meritocratic, homogeneous white society.

We’re rapidly returning to the days before the stratification by IQ of social class. There are a great deal of relatively high IQ white men denied opportunities. In 1990 there were millions fewer hostile tribal aliens – especially high IQ ones like Indians and Chinese.

The demographic age is upon us.

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

I never read The Bell Curve, but the book interestingly appeared on the bookshelf of MP Michael Gove – spotted when giving a TV interview: https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/04/michael-gove-criticised-owning-book-holocaust-denier-12651282/ Mr Gove gets plenty of stick on this side of the Atlantic, but he is not a dumb man. Not by a long measure. Needless to say he caught some flack. But I think they were doubly incensed because he dared to have a book by David Irving also on his shelf – and we all know how naughty Mr Irving is. There are a great deal of relatively high IQ white men denied… Read more »

B123
B123
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

This sentence, said with concern on one’s face is always a good response when a normal person mentions with bewilderment: ‘What’s happening to this country?’.

Good call. Riots, random violence, theft, corruption, and general dysfunction are normal in every “black and brown” country.

The usa is now at least 45% “black and brown” among the working age population – and it’s starting to resemble a “black and brown” country. Imagine my shock! What happened?? They pledged allegiance to the constitution!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

Most of the rioters are White. Its not a race riot. That is ginned up by the elite to bleed off energy to prevent a socialist overthrow of the Democrats and to remove President Trump. Its a decent plan though I suspect that the people in charge of the riots have figured out the plan as has President Trump. That said the US has always had big problems with being dysfunctional when money was involved Hell we bombed strikers with military aircraft in 1909 and used General Pershing to break up the Veterans March Our system only worked as well… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

The demographic age is upon us.” Yes. But I wonder, doesn’t this notion hearken back to a more primitive age, an age of tribalism that until recently was mostly found only in Africa (before the advent of bioleninism)? Or is it always everywhere, and we just don’t see it as such (e.g. Catholic-Protestant, White-Black, Sunni-Shia, Han Chinese-Everyone Else, Moslem-Christian, Hispanic-Black, etc.)?

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
1 day ago

Ethnicities–Irish, English, French, Italian, Spanish, etc.–are also tribes. Tribalism has never disappeared entirely, although halfhearted attempts, often in the name of “human rights,” have been made to squelch it.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

What is missing—both because purposely avoided, and not yet widely known/accepted was the association of race and character (as used in Galton’s time). We now know that IQ is only part of the problem, behavioral proclivities the other.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

Read Murray’s latest book “Human Biodiversity”. It has the latest and most solid research results.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
1 day ago

You know it has to happen. Some twit with greasy long hair and a ring through his lip and eyebrow will say, “America is a democratic republic…”
I dunno if my partisanship is driven by politics or personalities.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 day ago

I actually agree with that character. Republican in structure but we elect our representatives. Even under the Constitution, the people who elect senators and the president were put there via some democratic process.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

And then, as we see with the Clintons – the republic is democratically undermined….

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 day ago

I don’t think it was the system though— it was demoralization. I think John Adams said the Constitution was only fit for a moral people, and he was right.

Immoral people get a boot to the face because it’s what suits them.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

The more I learn about Adams, the more I respect him. Even if he was from Boston.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  skeptic16
1 day ago
Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

It was a “Democratic system” with a sharply reduced Demos: White Adult Male Property Owners.
About 4% qualified to vote for Washington.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

I’m all for restricting the franchise. Start with net taxpayers 25 or over 🙂

Felix Krull
Member
1 day ago

Lenin rejected the idea that there is some objective good for all of society, because true objectivity is impossible when the interests of one class of society conflict with the interests of other classes. Therefore, the only rational politics is one in which you expressly advocate for the interests of your side. … Partisanship is now much closer to the concept Lenin had in mind. The anti-Trump people, for example, hate Trump for entirely partisan reasons.  But not partisan in the way Lenin understood it. What Lenin mean was that workers had different economic interests than peasants, fishermen or craftsmen,… Read more »

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 day ago

This, and it is happening around the edges now.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 day ago

Imo a person’s politics come down to his economic interests. Ideology is a veneer.

Seems to me most bros back Bernie because they want to burn it down and he’s openly radical. They think they can build something that better serves how they’d like to make a living.

I agree, I think they could be turned in time.

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 day ago

It’s funny because they do have a lot of the same complaints as we do. But they somehow think more globohomo will fix the problems caused by globohomo.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 day ago

Lenin’s partisanism was based on economic interests.

The Bernie Bro’s partisanism is based on ideological interests.

America’s partisanism is quickly becoming based on racial/ethnic interests – which will always, always, supersede economic and ideological interests.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 day ago

Now thass what I’m talkin’ ’bout.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 day ago

Today, holding a belief in an objective good for everyone is a sign of whiteness.

Carl B.
Carl B.
1 day ago

“Lenin’s Ghost” is an un-holy trinity. Clinton, GW Bush, and especially Barack Hussein Obama are the triumvirate that applied the kill-shot on this now-dead republic.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Carl B.
1 day ago

I would say that the real trinity is Lenin’s Ghost, the Gargoyles of Frankfurt, and Arthur Finkelstein.

Owlman
Owlman
1 day ago

Kaiser Wilhelm II sent Lenin and a gaggle of other revolutionaries into the body of the Tsar’s Russia as a biological weapon, in a social sense. The virus of Communism still rages among the peoples of the earth.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Owlman
1 day ago

We sent Trotsky in thinking he would be an insider sympathetic to Western interests and business opportunities. That explains why the US and UK pressed for his release when arrested in Canada.

Epaminondas
Member
1 day ago

Some of the hyper-partisanship sprang up in the sixties via media propaganda in favor of the negroes. If you grew up in this period in the South, you know how whites found themselves the target of vehement detestation by the Usual Suspects. It was a merciless cultural assault. And I don’t think it ever ended.

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usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago

And apparently, Trump is an avatar for Whites in this former country – at least the bad thinking Whites at this time. There is literally nothing Trump can say or not say, do or not do that he, and by extension, us doesn’t get torn a new one 24/7/365.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  usNthem
1 day ago

There is literally nothing Trump can say or not say, do or not do that he, and by extension, us doesn’t get torn a new one 24/7/365. It’s to the point where it is cynically amusing at this point. Trump restricts travel from China: “Trump is over-reacting” Later: “Trump didn’t react quickly enough!” Trump contemplates nationwide coronavirus restrictions: “Trump is acting like a dictator!” Later: “Trump should have ordered nationwide lockdown!” You can’t even have a rational discussion with a leftist about this stuff. The Utopianism of the left is on full display, too. Every single problem demands a total… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  usNthem
1 day ago

He goes out of his way to subject himself to abuse without gaining any benefit for himself or his supporters.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago

Indeed. This detestation is now and logically spreading to the entirety of the White Historical American Nation. Our feudal overlords are playing the Serbs against the Croats at a national rather than a regional level.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 day ago

In grew up in the North in those times, and we saw the same thing here regarding Badwhites, mainly characterized as working-class white “ethnics” (i.e., non WASPs).

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 day ago

Either this hyper-partisanship is a natural end point of liberal democracy, perhaps a prelude to civil war, or something happened in the last quarter century to get us here. Some things happened roughly sixty years ago that got us here: the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965; the Civil Rights Act of 1964; the Voting Rights Act of 1965; the Fair Housing Act of 1968; affirmative action and its most grotesque iteration in the Bakke decision, “diversity”; and the predictable end point of anti-White pogroms in 2020. The common denominator is official and increasing oppression and destruction of the Historic… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

In 1990 the US was 80% white. In 2000 it had dipped to 75%. 2010, 72%. Maybe 80% white is the threshold for stability.

B123
B123
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

It’s more complex than that, we have to look at working age population, as well as executive/leadership population.

The older generation is still 85% white but have little cultural or real power. Throughout the 2000s the executives, leaders, etc. were still solidly white. Now the old Boomer generation is retiring and vibrants are taking their place. Things will kind of work as long as the majority of important/leader people are competent white folks.

This is starting to change too hence increasing decline.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

We will be entering a time where we will test “critical fraction” theory on a societal level. Right now, we claim proof based on comparing successful societies with unsuccessful societies. But there is another type of proof—that of taking a successful society and “removing” its critical fraction. That’s what we are doing now to the US via its broken educational system and AA. This however will take another couple of generations.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  CompscI
1 day ago

I think we are seeing the results today. Look at all the US Navy ship collisions.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B123
1 day ago

It is more complex, but I think the lack of an unchallengeably dominant culture is most of it. For whatever reason, demographic change and the overturning of that culture happened concurrently.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

You are citing the figures INCLUDING mestizos. Officially in 2015 it was 61.9% non-hispanic White. Subtract 2% Jews, 1% Muslims, and another 2% of sub-cons and Latinos who still claim to be White, and you get the true figure of perhaps 55% European White.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  3g4me
1 day ago

One needs to look at the percentages within age cohorts. Then one can judge current impact. The percentage of “Whites” is composed of a high average age. The percentage of Hispanics, a much lower average age.

As such, not only are Whites less influential, but also more rapidly decreasing in overall percentage of the population (die off). A look at the 16 through 25 yo demographics tells the tale—and it doesn’t look good.

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Rich
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 day ago

Maybe, but they can’t be lefties/marxists.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Rich
1 day ago

Just my impression, that was the result of mass immigration from Europe, probably atlanticism too. Demo is destiny.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

If you (we) need a Lenin you (we) will get a Stalin.

Bilejones
Member
1 day ago

Meanwhile, elsewhere it’s business as usual.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/over-600-jewish-groups-declare-their-support-for-black-lives-matter-terror-uprising/
The way to combat violence against Jews is, apparently, to support violence against Whites.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

This has been a sixty-year project ever since the Jews hitched their Star of David to the Confederacy and from that loss decided to go another route.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Bilejones
1 day ago

Gotta keep their golems moving in the right direction and on target!

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 day ago

The article is pretty amazing, particularly the description of “black Jews” under assault. It is ludicrous victim LARP’ing, but it will help wake up Whites to the hideous nature of their opponents. Blacks are low IQ primitives, but those who use them are quite dangerous.

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

“As Jews, we know how dangerous this is: when politicians target Jewish people and blame us for problems, it leads directly to violence against us. When Black movements are undermined, it leads to more violence against Black people, including Black Jews,”

Heh. Has anyone ever seen such a rare creature? I remember discussing this with a number of joggeresses many years back in a very jovial manner. None had ever witnessed said creature…

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

These type Jews are beyond parody now. It was some kind of far-fetched allusion to Ethiopian Jews, who actually are subjected to racial animus and outright hostility in Israel. “Hello, fellow Black people!” Yeah, right.

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Andrew
Andrew
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

“Has anyone seen such a rare creature?”

Jussie Smollett. ‘Nuff said.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

black Jews” under assault

Both of them? I’ve seen Black Hebrews — they’re the ones that started the Sandmann incident and as far as I am concerned they’ve got some assault coming to them. They need to be shipped straight to Israel.

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Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Vizzini
1 day ago

Israel will not allow the “Black Hebrews” to enter; they have already been refused visas & entry. Israel knows the game they’re playing; namely to undermine Israel as a Trojan Horse. Remember the “Million Man March” in Washington DC, about 20 years ago? I spent the day listening to it on WBAI (far left Pacifica radio station). After listening to Farrakhan bloviate about amerikka and Jews, I got the feeling that he believes that Nation of Islam are The Real Jews, and that the jews in israel (Europe & amerikkka too) are interlopers. Black Hebrews are just an offshoot of… Read more »

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
1 day ago

Farrakhan’s ideology is dumb asf, but at least his fake mooslim blacks are the racist types who want to stay away from whites.

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One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
1 day ago

I read a few of those inside-baseball type of political books about the Clinton administration. And I’ve got to say, they just loved being bad. They loved the spin, loved the lying, loved the fabrications. They seemed to positively revel in a sort of sociopathically partisan politics, with no moral considerations at all.

It would be pointless just to complain about that. The truth is that we also need to have the “happy warrior” wartime mentality, a sort of joie de guerre, if we want to win.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

Omigosh, just realized they were right. He was the first black president.

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skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  One of Many Georges
1 day ago

As Clinton aid Paul Begala said about Executive Orders: “Stroke of a pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool!”

The Right Doctor
1 day ago

A thought experiment involving the Overton Window:

One team lines up during the national anthem with a banner reading UNITED AGAINST RACISM. 

The other team lines up facing them whose banner says UNITED FOR RACISM. 

I’d pay to watch that one, and ask if they need a team doctor.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  The Right Doctor
1 day ago

UNITED AGAINST RACISM = UNITED AGAINST WHITE MEN, LET US STEAL YOUR COUNTRY
UNITED FOR RACISM = GO BACK TO UGANDA

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Severian
1 day ago

This is one of the main reasons the Left is falling apart much faster than the Right. Donny Two Scoops, for all his many and manifest faults, inspires loyalty in his people. “Trumpism” could easily exist. The Left, though, are trying the novel experiment of building a Cult of Personality without the Personality. Indeed, they seem to be actively seeking the most personally repellent people they can find to carry their banner, the kind of snakes even other SJWs can’t stand (the Kamala Harris VP pick, for example, is just baffling). It’s a bold decision, Cotton, let’s see how it… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

Biden is the ultimate expression, isn’t he? He is put forward precisely because there’s no there there. That he is obviously suffering from some sort of cognitive impairment, be it Alzheimer’s or stroke-related dementia, is a feature and not a bug since the strings are much easier to work. It will be interesting to see if Americans will elect a hologram.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

Forgot to add, but a coalition comprised of people who otherwise hate one another almost requires a hologram or an avatar since a flesh and blood representative of one sect will piss off another. Kamala could not be nominated outright because Jose, for example, would head for the exits.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

Biden’s malleability was his best selling point. The propaganda outlets were told, “you furnish the pictures and I will furnish the war.” So we have a running narrative, totally artificial, about a non-existent candidate in a mental and intellectual sense. It did give the Democrats lower chances of victory but they still might be able to pull it off without putting their Establishment and the Cloud People under any danger of actual economic redistribution. Long term, though, the Bernie Bros. (Sanders himself is a fake, as is Warren) will not go away. That’s the shoe yet to drop. If Biden… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

That’s the thing, though. I don’t think the Left can remain united no matter what happens. We’re assuming (since we’re commenting on this post) that modern politics, especially Leftist politics, is a kind of bastard feudalism, with the “affinities” of various “lords” holding it together in the service of their king, only so long as the “king” continues to deliver the goods and doesn’t rock the boat much. Biden makes a lot of sense there, actually, as a candidate, but if he actually attains power he’ll be expected to deliver… and since he can’t, the “affinities” will turn on each… Read more »

David T
David T
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

The irony of the coalition of the oppressed is that only a member of the oppressive class is ultimately acceptable to them politically. Black men don’t vote for women of any color. Black women won’t vote for white women. Blacks of any sex don’t vote for gays ( neither will hispanics). After women put obama in office they figured blacks would return the favor but Hillary and Warren found out it doesn’t work that way. So now all trust between these groups is gone. For each, the best option is a self-hating white man they hope they make a cipher.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  David T
1 day ago

and almost nobody voted for Harris. True, she dropped out early but not because she was not interested.

Higgs Boson
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

They knew Biden was nothing more than a placeholder from the start.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

I think they decided to throw the election. Besides, Trump has been good for the jews.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

Well they seem to be accepting the presence of somebody on the SCOTUS who most likely has been doing a Weekend at Bernie’s for the last year so I’m going to say yes.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 day ago

He is put forward precisely because there’s no there there.

Biden is a distraction play from the real prizes-

Those are the Senate, DA races, and sheriff’s races in locales that don’t already have Soros-approved office holders.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

I think if butt plug had a better name than Buttigieg and looked more like a normal person he would have got the nod for the next President. Having a gay or transgender as President is as important as having a mixed race black man or a woman leading the liberal democratic empire.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 day ago

One does wonder what grievance group will get the next nod.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Severian
1 day ago

Donny Two Scoops, for all his many and manifest faults, inspires loyalty in his people It does certainly seem like that way to me. But I suspect that it be down to the fact that his supporters in many ways see him as an underdog – which always seems to bolster loyalty. His reputation as a ‘straight talker’ probably also resonates – but then again I don’t know too much about the subject of President Trump. This is one of the main reasons the Left is falling apart much faster than the Right. The selection of cobras, pit vipers and… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

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Valley Lurker
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 day ago

I can tell you in California the true believers as well as their enablers i.e. most people, really do not seemed bothered by any of those pitfalls sadly. They complain about smoke and roads and electricity but it goes beyond just the gerrymandering as they continue to vote in the same scum.

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skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Valley Lurker
1 day ago

I am in CA and I have seen exactly one Biden/Harris t-shirt. No signs, bumper stickers or flyers. Now I am in Orange County but that once solid Republican area is now purple.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Severian
1 day ago

That was their big problem last spring. The only personality that they had was Sanders, and he could not be tolerated. (Why they let him run in their primaries is a question that I can still see no good answer to.) My guess is that they hoped that Harris would be able to step up and become the face of the movement. She failed miserably. O’Rourke flamed out. Warren failed to incite enthusiasm. They tried to puff up Buttigieg, but a failed mayor of South Bend simply wasn’t up to it. In a panic, they pushed Biden forward, and tacked… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 day ago

Instead of a tailwind, Gavin Newsom will face a strong headwind in the future, that says, “You’re White!”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 day ago

Exactly. It is happening now, to the delight of AOC.

Matrix
Matrix
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 day ago

Not only is he white, but he looks like a cheshire cat!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 day ago

Gav appears to have waited an election cycle or two too long to have a realistic chance of fulfilling his presidential ambitions.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 day ago

Sanders was just a dangle to get interest.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Severian
1 day ago

Why a juvenile insult like “Donny Two Scoops?” That’s something you do to someone you are designating as an enemy. It’s accepting the left’s framing.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  Vizzini
1 day ago

I absolutely agree. The big brains continue to feel the need to trash Trump on his obvious shortcomings as if we don’t already know these things. I am still waiting on a superior alternative, assuming they are not accelerationists.

Tullamore92
Tullamore92
Reply to  Vizzini
1 day ago

Yeah, my personal rule is I immediately dismiss and ignore anyone who uses a silly name for a politician – Left or Right. They’re childish – even the rare clever ones – and they negate any actual valid points the user might have had.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tullamore92
1 day ago

I rather like Donny Two Scoops, for a host of reasons.

He’s our Paully Walnuts.

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Sandmich
1 day ago

I know Z downplays the Clinton impeachment imbroglio but that was basically the point of no return. At that point in time the Left/Inner Party could have chimed in and said “yeah, we should have some standard for our political leaders, especially the President”, but instead they decided to burn every bridge to save a man that, really, wasn’t worth saving and arguably cost them the election in 2000 (and 2016) while permanently poisoning American politics in a way that it may never recover..

Marko
Marko
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

I think he got it from me, actually. I am known for memorable postings.

Sandmich
Reply to  thezman
1 day ago

I thought it was something that you related in one of your January-era Podcasts (during the Trump Impeachment, something along the lines of it was right for the House to impeach, but also correct for the Senate not to convict?), but, eh, it doesn’t mean that much and I’ll defer to your recollection, and say that I mis-remembered. It wouldn’t be a first…for today.

BTP
Member
1 day ago

Yeah. I’m of the mind that hyper-partisanship is the logical endpoint of liberal democracy. Clinton, Bush, and Obama: sure, they exist and drove the process, but liberal democracy is the kind of thing that awaits these guys. These stooges are not Caesar-like geniuses, they are more or less the sort of sociopaths who always exist. It’s just that our system encourages someone or other to eventually emerge and do what they do.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  BTP
1 day ago

They are the Step-‘n-Fetchits of the oligarchs.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  BTP
1 day ago

Bill Clinton openly demonstrated that everything is for sale, anything goes, and simply scoop up what you can, when you get the opportunity. Do it with a straight face, and mock anyone who might criticize it, and you are golden. A point of no return, indeed. Obama, and especially Hillary, have shown that you have to screw over people in a way that leads them to thank you for screwing them, or it doesn’t work out so well. Bill Clinton, like all of the best grifters, has that skill.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
1 day ago

I’d have thought that a discussion of the emergence of hyperpartisanship in the US would refer to the Rockefeller-Goldwater split in the Repubs in 1964 and the Daleyite-McGovernite split in the Dems in 1972. We’ve had ideological parties ever since. Regarding Lenin and the October Revolution: It’s very difficult to make a case for the October Revolution absent the personality of Lenin.

Valley Lurker
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 day ago

In a long forgotten commentary I once saw, someone made the comment Ted Kennedy going after Robert Bork was also a big inflection point. Kennedy had an axe to grind for personal reasons with Bork, and it caused lots of bad blood which was exacerbated when several years later Clinton was elected (given the reasons Bork supposedly wasn’t confirmed and yet Clinton’s personal failings were supposed to be overlooked).

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
1 day ago

As left-wing critic Michael Tracey put it, the Clintons actually invented entirely new forms of corruption. There’s no doubt that history will record that the Bushes and the Clintons were primarily responsible for destroying America.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Altitude Zero
1 day ago

Since Hoover, virtually ever Presidency until Trump except maybe Eisenhower has been ultimately destructive to America in one way or another, and I include Reagan.

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Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Vizzini
1 day ago

You can’t say bad things about Reagan in some circles, but yeah, him too.

Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
1 day ago

IKE should not get a pass from his forced school integration madness.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
1 day ago

He also torpedoed McCarthy through surrogates.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Sandmich
1 day ago

Fair enough, forgot about that.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 day ago

“The only thing that is true is global enterprise underwrites both parties.” There’s your answer. It’s good for business. Rob people of their identity (or in America’s case, don’t allow them to build one) and sell them stuff to fill the void. The less people have in common, the more they fight, the more they want to escape their unhappy lives. It’s no longer working. There’s conflict in the streets, drug abuse and suicide are surging, the young want to burn the whole thing down. We’ve passed the point where work and material comfort can distract people from their miserable… Read more »

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Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
1 day ago

I think you’re right that Clinton introduced the hyper-greed (even though progs would put that on Reagan) but the out-and-out hatred of the population/sadism-as-an-end-in-itself got started with the Obama people and won’t stop until they destroy us or they’re destroyed. Clinton is basically a hillbilly rapist from Arkansas who just happens to be very good at the Sunday New York Times Crossword puzzle, but he is a recognizable type (sleazy countrypolitan used car salesman). But Obama (and now Kamala) are being marketed to us with their main selling point being that they are not us. The guy’s name began with… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 day ago

Dogs are America’s memories of Dad. Leaving one in a toilet in Jakarta is thematically strong. However, eating dog is as rare in Indonesia as it is in Denmark. Obama lied about it, like he did about almost everything, to make himself seem worldly/repugnant. There’s nobody in there but not you. I’ve always thought his people had among them some singular Lenin-like genius who paired him with Biden only because at first glance (and unconscious thought) their signs and bumper stickers would register as OSAMA BIN LADEN, not-America personified. Two thirds of the single female vote guaranteed. Bill Ayers gets… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Hemid
1 day ago

I didn’t pay much attention the rumor that Ayers wrote “Dreams from my Father” until I saw Ayers at a speaking engagement where he offhandedly said, “I wrote it, by the way,” and everyone laughed. Sure, it was a snarky offhand comment, but it’s also a way that true sociopaths try to cover their guilt with irony. Aldrich Ames used to wear a shirt that said KGB in his off-time. Michael Alig (the notorious Party Monster) went around bragging that he killed his drug dealer Angel (even on TV) to the point where no one suspected him. I don’t know… Read more »

Valley Lurker
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 day ago

This is absolutely true. Some of us learn this the hard way in our personal lives. Sociopaths love to tell you what they’re doing, it gets them off to brag so blatantly about their misdeeds. You can confirm this by research as well as personal dealings.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 day ago

“My name is Ooga Booga and I’m here to eat your border collie.” I thought the hillbilly rapist/NYT crossword quip was clever; but this gem encapsulates eight years of immiseration perfectly. COTY. Well done, sir!

TomA
TomA
1 day ago

Bill Clinton’s life force is best expressed in the dictum that “if you’re going to be a grifter and crime family boss, be the BEST GOD DAMN grifter and crime boss that the world has ever seen.” Second place is for losers. Lying . . . no problem. Rape . . . easy peasy. Grand theft . . . now we’re talking. Pay-to-play . . . I was born for this. Pedophilia . . . I’m King of the World and I do as I please. And half the country truly worships this megalomaniac.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  TomA
1 day ago

Yeah, but sometimes these days when I look into his gaunt face and colorless eyes, I think he’s starting to think of the metaphysical implications of what he hath wrought. I think Mark Steyn’s description of him as “The Blowjob of Dorian Grey” is apt. Maybe he had some fun but under nearly any moral framework his soul is pretty much damned (barring him doing something truly honorable like pushing his wife down a flight of stairs while she’s slightly tipsy so it looks like an accident).

Range Front Fault
Range Front Fault
1 day ago

Never underestimate the effect on society of Boomer Commie radicals starting in the 60’s-70’s. Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn bored into the mainstream wood to destroy the entire structure. He is an American elementary education theorist (bore into the public schools) and she is a Clinical Law Professor. So much for the Constitution. Even Ruth Badass Ginsburg prefers the South African Constitution. Angela Davis formerly of the Black Panther Party, or currently, is a Prof at UC Santa Cruz. Bettina Aptheker, professional Commie bitch, is also a Prof at UC Santa Cruz in Feminist Studies. This is a marathon in which the… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Range Front Fault
1 day ago

This is a marathon in which the Commie baton gets passed each and every generation. 

Witness that literally in the case of SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin

Rich
Member
Reply to  Range Front Fault
1 day ago

And they fed the masses that diversity is our strength.
And here we are.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Range Front Fault
1 day ago

Magnificent

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 day ago

A lot of this seems to revolve around how the left in America has evolved to view the white male. Bush was hated for his ties to the the Christian Right do gooders which the left despises and his support for the military wars in Iraq. 20 years ago the left still hated the military. Now that Bush is out of office and paints pictures of the men he sent to the Middle East to be maimed and killed, he passes Michelle Obama candy at public events and he is the target of Orange man criticism, Bush is now a… Read more »

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Drake
1 day ago

Maybe Antifa is right about cops.

Andrew
Andrew
1 day ago

One foreboding feature of partisanship in any country is that sooner or later the partisan groups develop their own thug armies, and the competing bands of thugs duke it out in the streets. This means BLM and Antifa will be permanent features. What’s different about the partisanship in the US from other periods/places of partisanship is that only one side is allowed to have a street army. The “right” (for lack of a better term) has been lawfared into a terrorized meekness to prevent it from forming partisan street armies like the left has. To cope, the more civnat elements… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Andrew
1 day ago

We already have militias in many areas. Klamath put 2k guys on the ground with a few phone calls.
There are plenty of other examples too. However places with Soros funded or shitlib D.A. are behind enemy lines.

H I
H I
1 day ago

Bill Clinton may have been personally a sleazeball, but he worked with the Republicans after the 1994 sweep. Politically, he was a moderate after health care reform failed (thank you, Hillary). Even Obama was fairly moderate in his first term, or at least the first half of his first term. After the Gates-cop breakfast and then really after Baby Trayvon he went full anti-American, with BLM, DACA and the rest.

Valley Lurker
Reply to  H I
1 day ago

Every time I put a hoodie on I laugh amusingly to myself thanks to lil’Tray

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 day ago

One of Z’s more interesting pieces. A few observations: *I’m not sure the the dichotomous metaphysic of our political culture is objectivity v. subjectivity, but rather the general good v. naked self interest. People hellbent on their own selfish aims can still pursue what is objectively best for them, while those most interested in the common weal may conceive this very subjectively. *The hyper-partisanship we’re seeing is nothing more than the efflorescence of 60s identity politics. On the Left we see an uneasy coalition of Freaks, Felons and Freeloaders, which is pitted against the normies of the Right. But all… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 day ago

The atmosphere creates the hurricane. The right man has to come at the right time. Lenin would not have done well in pre WW1 Russia. It was the war the smashed the last of Tsarist legitimacy on the rocks. The great man (no necessarily a nice or good man) has to come together with his time and place. You have to be born in the right place too. Bill Clinton the man had to be born just after the war, in the boomer cohort, but with a power base in an uncrowded, tier three state, had to assume power after… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 day ago

I can’t recall why but I recently read the write-up on Napoleon on Wikipedia and was surprised at how unremarkable he was in terms of his positions prior to coming to power. If Trump wins and the Inner Party decides to crash the system rather than tolerate four more years of Trump they could usher in a true enemy who will do them in, or not, but why risk it? Why not just site around for 48 more months and get it all “legitimately”? My only conclusion is that there is something about their inability to directly control Trump that… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Sandmich
1 day ago

Take a look at how he treats the CNN anchors, who represent the essence of who these people are. He treats them with the same contempt. This is all personality driven. His actual policies are like Bill Clinton except with much more reckless spending. But Trump was never (the one) as our version of Napoleon will be. He’s just ushering in the next era.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Sandmich
1 day ago

If they don’t want Trump, they could easily crash the system now. Maybe they see Trump as a way to short circuit any right-populist opposition while running out the clock.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
1 day ago

The concept of bioleninism needs to be mentioned as “the organizational principle of the contemporary Left”. The foundational 3-part essay introducing the idea can be found HERE. Does hyperpartisanship intersect with bioleninism in today’s America? You BET it does.

BadThinker
BadThinker
1 day ago

This post is a great companion piece to this essay from First Things, as it helps to also recognize the differences between now and 1916 Russia (the first things essay is mostly the similarites).
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/10/suicide-of-the-liberals

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KunioKun
KunioKun
1 day ago

Clinton won big because he moved first. Somebody else could have, but didn’t. Sometimes the first mover is destroyed, but sometimes he wins. The moral of the story is that if your political system can by modeled with The Prisoners Dilemma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma) then maybe its doomed to fail? For example, Libertarianism.

Higgs Boson
1 day ago

Politicians go head to head in fear-mongering contests. Whoever induces the most panic wins. The Biden campaign looks more like a deep fake every day. We seem to be in the transitional phase to the next paradigm being authored by artificial intelligence. It will be heralded by an alien invasion hoax. I’m checking out the exits, maybe a move to a different country like South Dakota or Japan. I already speak South Dakotoan, but the learn Japanese while sleeping tutorial isn’t working out so well.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Higgs Boson
1 day ago

If you do move, get “Dirty Japanese” and make that your primary book for learning.

Nicholas R. Jeelvy
1 day ago

We may be at a stage where there is no common good, i. e. the good of one segment of the population is the bad of other segments, maybe even every other segment.

In this sense, it is not prudent to advocate for the common good, as there is no such thing. The prudent thing to do is to look out for you and yours, as opposed to everyone else.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Nicholas R. Jeelvy
1 day ago

it is not prudent to advocate for the common good, as there is no such thing. The prudent thing to do is to look out for you and yours, as opposed to everyone else.
you can say that again

Homer
Homer
Reply to  Nicholas R. Jeelvy
20 hours ago

The less a population has in common (diverse), the less able they will be to find a common good. Instead, an uncommon bad. DIEE. Diversity, Inclusion, Equity, Extinction.

Higgs Boson
22 hours ago

The Clintons are twin narcissists, Hillary being the worst-case scenario feminist poison pill. Istead of integrating the masculine aspect of her psyche, she is masculinized. Castrating Bill is her reason for living and the reason why she could never win.

Bilejones
Member
21 hours ago
ursel doran
ursel doran
6 hours ago

NEVER forget that all the political rhetoric from any side of any spectrum is about ONE thing and ONE THING only.
Who gets the POWER to control the stealing rights!
Now with the computerized printing press of unlimited debt based fiat currencies the fight is over MEGA TRILLIONS. Just imagine if there had to be ink on paper and distributed with trucks to get the Tens of TRILLIONS out to the world as it is today.
Anyone seen any MSM coverage of the $21 TRILLION unaccounted out of the Pentagon??
It will go on until it cannot.