Boycott The Vote

Note: The Taki post is here and the topic is related to this post. In fact, this post builds on the ideas in the Taki post. For those in search of audio stimulation, the Sunday podcast is up behind the green door.


Donald Trump finally got the attention of Republican leaders the other day when he said that unless they addressed the 2020 election shenanigans, his supporters will not bother to vote in upcoming elections. This got the usual suspects out to denounce him as a Hitler plotting to do Hitler things. Regime media was flooded with boilerplate articles about how there was no evidence to support his claims. Some Republicans were sent out to denounce him for his dangerous rhetoric.

This little bit of drama is interesting in that it suggests that some portion of the electorate is making the next logical step. If you cannot get what you want at the ballot box, either because the vote is rigged or the choices are false, then why vote? If those conditions are true, then voting becomes self-sabotage. When you vote, you are endorsing the process and its results. Voting in a rigged election is, in effect, validating the rigged process and the people rigging it.

The fact that it has taken close to a year for anyone to reach this next logical step in evaluating the last election shows the power of conditioning. Everyone has been conditioned since childhood to believe that voting is a requirement of citizenship and not voting is therefore an abdication of duty. You cannot complain about the system if you do not participate in the system is the logic of democracy. The only acceptable participation is voting for one of the two parties.

It is a bizarre logic when you consider it. Popular entertainment is full of plots where the star is faced with two bad choices and refuses to accept them. Instead, he creates a third choice to save the day. Every business school trains students on how to think beyond the choices on offer. “Thinking outside the box” is considered to be the hallmark of the modern entrepreneur. People like Elon Musk are celebrated because they allegedly refuse to accept the conventional answer.

Only in politics is it that no one is ever allowed to question the options put forward by the two political parties each election. This exception to the rule of thinking outside the box is necessary because the system requires it. For example, if “none of the above” was an option in most elections, that would often be the winner. This is why it is never an option on the ballot. Otherwise, even the dullest Republican voter would begin to think that maybe he should have another option.

Of course, one of the weapons that the system has always used to prevent people from thinking outside the box regarding politics is hyper-partisanship. “If you don’t vote for more of the same, the other side will win.” This was the standard line from people like Jonah Goldberg in the Bush years. Staying home was a vote for the other side, so you had to hold your nose and vote for the Republicans. It was effective until 2006 when the odor was so bad that no amount of nose holding was possible.

The neocons conveniently forgot about that in 2016, but they went to great effort to avoid saying they would boycott the election. Even they saw the danger of unleashing that option on the system. Conservative Inc. was mortally wounded when they could not explain how their boycott of Trump was not an endorsement of Clinton. They were either voting for what they said was evil or they were boycotting the election, something they said was morally unacceptable.

That last bit has always been a lie. Boycotting elections has been a part of democratic systems since forever. During the Cold War, the United States government would encourage boycotts in places being subverted by communists. Alternatively, the protest vote has always been a part of the American system. Organizing people to throw their vote away on a ridiculous option is just another form of boycott. You are forcing onto the ballot the words “none of the above”.

Getting back to Trump and his boycott claim, he was never more than a wrecker, which is what the times require. He will never organize a boycott or even completely endorse such a campaign. He will talk about it. For good or ill, if he talks about something it becomes news. Just mentioning the idea of boycotting the midterm is more than enough to normalize the idea for unhappy voters. Sitting out, perhaps loudly sitting out the election, becomes the best way to participate.

If you look at the upcoming midterm, there are maybe 25 seats that are genuinely up for grabs with another 25 that might tip that way. The Democrats currently hold 220 seats and the Republicans 212 seats. The seats that will decide the House will be won with just over 50% of the vote in those districts. In other words, even a poorly organized boycott could prevent the Republicans from getting the House. It is a low cost, high reward strategy to send a message.

Now, even a highly organized national boycott of the midterms, where Democrat voters join in will change little in terms of policy. The people who control the two parties will remain in control. What changes is public perception of politics. This system requires the broad public to think voting matters. If they come to see that voting is just ceremonial, a play put on to keep them pacified, then the system cracks. At the minimum, it brings the system to crisis.

There are no easy answers to generational problems, but normalizing the idea of a boycott helps create a morality outside the prevailing orthodoxy. If 20% of people think that boycotting the system is the moral choice, they are in effect rejecting the morality of the established order. It is a peaceful revolt. Once people get used to revolting in their minds, they can revolt against the system. Normalizing the revolt of the mind is a prerequisite for any challenge to the prevailing order.


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notsureismyname
notsureismyname
2 years ago

Infiltrate and destroy. IMO guerrilla tactics are needed, groups need to quietly get together on local basis and try to find ways to bring it down from within the other side. Lots of ways of doing this. Project Veritas is doing a good job of showing their weakness, opening their big mouths to anyone and everyone as they are bleeding hearts, find ways of using it against them. Maybe some can get in deep enough and they expose election scandals, or sabotage it, burn them with it. It may be hard to get in if your past voting shows R… Read more »

The Palmetto Cynic
The Palmetto Cynic
2 years ago

Voting is the act of inflicting the violence of the state upon your neighbor. It is the immoral low road. The day that war is viewed as murder and taxation is viewed as theft is the day that America has seen a sea change in its thinking.

L Garou
L Garou
2 years ago

The phony baloney U.S. of Everything is Rigged, Illegal (or pending).

RWC1963
RWC1963
2 years ago

TPTB know full well that once the populace sees voting as futile what replaces the ballot box will be the cartridge box. This is where it leads. This is why they are freaking out. It was this lie – that voting works for the people. That kept the ruling elite in power and population passive while they were being gutted like a trout. Once folks see that voting for some interchangeable scumbag in DC doesn’t help them at all but in fact harms them. They will turn on the elites and political class in a very ugly manner. Even Tucker… Read more »

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  RWC1963
2 years ago

Anarcho tyranny is the end game.

Anarchy paves the way for tyranny. The Chicago mayor firing cops over masking mandates means fewer cops which means more crime which means more tyranny. Federal law enforcement, federal tyranny. The lawlessness will reach a point where Chicagoans will demand that the government do something to make it stop, then they will have full on tyranny curfews and Marshall law.

The Palmetto Cynic
The Palmetto Cynic
Reply to  BeAprepper
2 years ago

“Anarchy paves the way for tyranny.”

No it doesn’t. Anarchy leads to the removal of politics from the public sphere. In removing said politics, you remove the parasites that infest the social fabric and you remove the violence of government.

Only one thing leads to tyranny and that is more and more government: the polar opposite of anarchy. At this point, anarchy would be a massive improvement.

anna
anna
Reply to  The Palmetto Cynic
2 years ago

you clearly don’t live in chicago.
Chicago is already in a state of anarchy;
And with the dwindling presence of any law and order,
everyone’s safely is impacted.
Anarchy is not an improvement.

Joan
Joan
Reply to  anna
2 years ago

Anarchy is not chaos. The terms have been indistinctly mingled for decades in pop culture but anarchy is nothing more than the removal of government from your life.

What occurs in its absence could be chaos or could be order. That depends on the society and people. Chicago may in fact end up being chaotic with a tyrannical government, the polar opposite of anarchy.

On the other hand remove government from some places with a population of civil and self sufficient people basically nothing will really change on daily basis.

The Palmetto Cynic
The Palmetto Cynic
Reply to  anna
2 years ago

Joan has it spot on, Anna. In fact, the anarchocapitalists believe in an anarchic private law-based social order that puts public governance models to shame.

The Palmetto Cynic
The Palmetto Cynic
Reply to  anna
2 years ago

Additionally, Chicago is nothing more than failed public government. Government leads to chaos. There is no other end point for it.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

For those who are following the Chicago fiasco, 39 officers were ordered to submit their Vac status at HQ today.

18 said no to the order and were stripped.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

Good for them….

anna
anna
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

they can look forward to a better life in another state – a red state- that will welcome them with open arms.
Chicago’s anarchy continues to grow; this is what the citizenry voted for and they are getting it good and hard.

anna
anna
Reply to  anna
2 years ago

and to those above who distinguished between anarchy and chaos, thanks- I’ll remember that the next time we have an assault on lay street- very helpful.

Hokkoda
Member
2 years ago

This is great timing. We received three mail in ballots last week. I threw mine in the trash. My wife asked if I had already voted, and I said “No, I threw it in the trash. Elections are fraudulent.” She threw hers away. My son looked at me, said, “Well, technically I live out of state (college) anyway,” and discarded his. I’ve said for going on 10 years that the GOP must be destroyed. The best way to accomplish this is for 80,000,000 Republicans to sit out an election or two. If Trump gets traction on an election boycott, he… Read more »

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
2 years ago

When a single party becomes hard-wired into a particular position, like the Democrats when they supported slavery, the other party in a 2 party system (the Whigs) rapidly figure out that all they have to do is make vague references to God and liberty and they would gleefully take the entire abolitionist Christian vote without having to make any serious promises of reform. They could get straight back to grifting after that. The 2 party system gets salami sliced into a single party system when one of the parties becomes absolutely captured. Dutiful, honorable, honest conservative Christians of course had… Read more »

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  Anonymous Fake
2 years ago

fighting against slavery, my stars….

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
2 years ago

Voting is like praying. We are all Palestinians now., in a jew run dystopia. When you let them get away with 911, 20 years later, you get the plague. They’re trying to kill you. kill your kids. Violence, we’re not getting out of this without a fight. Honor is all that’s left when everything else has been stolen from you.

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  Dennis Roe
2 years ago

unless the jew is outed and disposed off there will be hell on earth cause hell is where they come from

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Plot twist:

Somehow Bari Weiss was permitted to speak two minutes of truth on CNN:

https://twitter.com/BrentHBaker/status/1449776513952407556

Okay, I’m stupid. What part of the op is this?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Its an attempt to pretend that there is no censorship of these things in the news. Look we allow them to be said.

You must be cray to think you can’t say them. (He even says it in the segment) Are you going to believe the news or your lying eyes as the HR dept terminates you for saying men and women are different.

Given that they had accompanying graphics inserted in the segment, they either prepped the script beforehand or inserted after it was recorded in review. Its hardly accidental.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

It’s called a Potemkin village.

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

did you read the comments below the post? there is no hope for this country

Whiskey
Whiskey
2 years ago

Collapse is already happening in Chicago. Even if a bunch of cops do “comply” with mandates to check in with their vaccination status, there is nothing to prevent them from being “sick” or just standing around eating donuts. With Halloween coming up there is a very big possibility of gangs and unaffiliated criminals just taking over most of Chicago and even doing house-to-house looting of the suburbs. Why not? The Mayor wanted de-policing and now has it, good and hard. Which is likely the end-game. Most mayors want to purge all the normal people and have a city like Detroit… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

As I posted in a previous comment, 39 ordered, 18 said no thank you.

They were stripped and sent home.

Be Responsible
Be Responsible
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Every day I hope for more chaos. I’ve been wanting all of the police to be abolished in those left wing hellholes for a while now. Nothing better than to see all of the leftists having their homes burned by the black orks. It will take a full on collapse and destruction to even begin to have hope for a newly rebuilt nation, or should I say nation(s).

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

if it were not for the fact that you can only carry a gun WHERE THERE IS NO CRIME and not in the crime infested cities there would be no need for armies of useless tax parasite cops

Jake
Jake
Reply to  SPQR70AD
2 years ago

Perhaps the logic is backward. The places where you can carry a gun aren’t attractive to crime. Everyone (well mostly) has a survival instinct, even leftists. The cognitive dissonance here is the state worshippers with power know this and surround themselves with protection. The blind followers believe the rainbows and unicorn lies spoon fed to them but deep down know they are vulnerable. They are most hopelessly invested in the system. Spewing the nonsense of defunding the police while simultaneously complaining when there’s no one to answer 9-1-1 calls. At some point their lizard brain kicks in and even they… Read more »

Disruptor
Disruptor
2 years ago

Back Jan 2020, Whitney Webb wrote about the predictions that the 2020 elections would be so fouled up, that Americans would loose faith in elections and democracy. Predictions that came from Israeli consulting firm Cybereason back at least to mid 2019.. Cybereason partners with Lockheed, DHS, FBI to probe weaknesses in election infrastructure. How Government and Media Are Prepping America for a Failed 2020 Election Russia, China and Iran are already being blamed for using tech to undermine the 2020 election. Yet, the very technologies they are allegedly using were created by a web of companies with deep ties to… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

Whitney Webb is a real treasure, came out of nowhere and produces great stuff, Might be the only blogger who challenges James Corbet in the degree to which they anally cite their sources.

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

“Loose” faith? Is that opposite to “tight” faith?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

There’s a woman running a write-in campaign for the local school board. Lots of yard signs in the district saying Our kids, Our choice, and a good many signs for her campaign, too. I’d say she has a shot at it. Not just school board meetings, but all the local meetings are becoming active. People are engaging where they have the power to make a difference. You get a sense of desperation from it. It’s not the usual cranks and whiners. Last night I watched Infowars, and it too had a different feel. Even back in the Obama days, the… Read more »

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

“start assuming the responsibilities of a free people.”

We are suppose to make a living, and run our own country. I think thats part of the scam.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
2 years ago

I’d argue the scam is that minding your business and voting in secret is good enough, especially in America. Seems to me voting decides nothing but formalizes arrangements arrived at by other means. Our political culture developed under frontier conditions with a national government across an ocean. People had to figure out how to build and govern society on their own. (An interesting feature is that, despite Enlightenment rhetoric about governments being established to protect the people’s rights, the government isn’t expected to. The Constitution assumes government will act against the people’s interests if not constrained. Why that assumption I’m… Read more »

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

no matter who gets in they get bought off or threatened by the jewish bolsheviks to implement their plan

The Palmetto Cynic
The Palmetto Cynic
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Voting is NOT the solution. If this charlatan seeking write ins really believed in free choice, she would immediately disband the local school board and demand immediate privatization of all school resources.

Tom K
Tom K
2 years ago

I’ve just been reading Ron Unz’s fresh look at the U.S.S. Liberty incident. If that piece doesn’t dispel any doubt about the nature of popular democracy, nothing will. We elect sociopaths to the highest office. Virtually everyone reading this accepts that Lyndon Johnson would be tried as a war criminal in a just world. Unz’s essay only reinforces that conclusion.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Tom K
2 years ago

It is the best account I’ve read of the Liberty attack, and that includes the sources Unz cites.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
2 years ago

It is said one should not say bad things about someone when he dies. Only good. OK, here goes: Colin Powell is dead. Good.

Props to Bette Davis for that joke.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  La-Z-Man
2 years ago

Uhg, I wonder if Fox is going to roll out the week long praise for the magical “conservative”?

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
2 years ago

anybody that fights wars for israel is a hero at Fux News. the suicidal fake right has wargasms over fake black conservative/ colin bowell congosleeza “wold brown” rice BOTH voted for the purple lipped obama twice. candace owens another hero of the right ran 2 websites that hunted whites to ruin their lives for racial comments against blacks. it is in wikipedia. michael steele head of the RNC hated trump and I say voted for hillary and the purple lipped obama

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  La-Z-Man
2 years ago

When he testified in Congress with his cartoons of the “High Tech Caves of Tora Bora” that never existed did it for me. The surveillance tech available to the DoD a decade before that would have proved the fraud. He acted as a mouthpiece for the regime. Why he did it we’ll never know. But the decision to go to war against countries which never attacked the USA, and ignore the ones which did, has been disastrous for the country.

SPQR70AD
SPQR70AD
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

but the coward right cheered the wars on for israel. they got wargasms seeing little girls bombed into protoplasm. got off on wedding parties bombed in afghan but were repulsed when biden killed 5 kids and their family??. massacres like that happened for 20 years in afghan

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
2 years ago

Back in college, in one of the rec rooms of the student union Building, the DJs organized a vote for top 100 rock songs of all time, the results of which they would play in a countdown over the week. Each voter had to list his 10 best songs, and the results were compiled to see where songs ranked. One of the smarter DJs remarked to me that if everybody had the same #11 song, that song would not even figure in the top 100 even though it is technically the #11 song of all time according to the voters’… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

Does COVID have an address where I can send fan mail for getting rid of War Monger Colin Powell?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Unfortunately, his myeloma might deserve the real credit, or maybe just a share of the award…

Whiskey
Whiskey
2 years ago

Z-Man, my criticism would be related to your failure to extrapolate. The situation is not stable. First, the widespread fraud has the crazy left excited. Nancy, Chuck, Joe are all 80 or pushing it. The Squad is young, has unlimited money from Iran and Soros and now Bill Gates Daughter, who married a Muslim. There is no reason at all they can’t manufacture unlimited votes in the primary for the craziest, leftist, most anti-White candidate in any district where they have favorable conditions: DAs unwilling to prosecute vote fraud and sympathetic poll workers. That’s it. Expect a hard left Congress… Read more »

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Its not a bad point. Why is it the Left gets to have crazies and we dont’? Isn’t that playing their game?

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
2 years ago

Exactly. And the larger point is that once something is counterfeited, it will be done so over and over again until the object in question has no value. Currency, votes, works of art, etc. All once something has been counterfeited will be done so again. The crazy left is just aching to get into power, and get their dream utopia (by killing millions). You might even argue that the killing rather than the utopia is the point. Our crazies are not really doing much for us, why not make them useful? There is no probability that they could fake enough… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Iran?

I guess you’ve got to keep those ADL checks coming.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

We can’t boycott the IRS, but we can boycott the dickens out of the vote (and the jab.)

NoOneImportant
NoOneImportant
2 years ago

I’m not sure how long ago it was that I first started asking this question, but it was at LEAST 20 years ago:
During the Cold War the Americans would make fun of communist elections with just one candidate, but here’s the thing: Is two candidates infinitely better than one candidate, or just one better?
By now I think the answer is clear, and that is why I petitioned to be struck off the voting roll in my state. I would de-registering is an even more powerful statement than just not voting.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  NoOneImportant
2 years ago

A mass synchronized write in of a nonsense candidate would communicate most strongly.

samrich
samrich
Reply to  NoOneImportant
2 years ago

If they won’t take someone off the voter roll if they die, what makes you think they would take someone off who asks to (because they don’t want to vote anymore)?

By admitting to them you want out, all it means is that some college kid will now be assigned to vote D in your name as if you were dead.

NoOneImportant
NoOneImportant
Reply to  samrich
2 years ago

I’m going to go to my polling place next month and try to vote. If they let me, I will spoil my ballot, and then I will go to the registrar in person and demand they strike my name. Lather, rinse repeat.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  NoOneImportant
2 years ago

NoOneImportant: A kindred spirit! I did that about 2 years ago. I still get endless gimme appeals from various candidates, to the point I called the state voting registry the past year to ensure my name had been removed. I was assured that it had been done per my written request. There doesn’t seem to be anything more I can do to get my name removed from various political organizations and conservative grifters – sending back their postage-paid gimme letters with pennies taped inside and variations on FOAD written on them hasn’t slowed them down. I am trying to disengage… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

I have to say, it’s taken me a while to come around to this line of thinking. But the way Z frames it – legitimizing the illegitimate – along with the ludicrousness of the recent presidential selection makes boycotting all future “elections” the only way to go – for starters. Then the whole system needs to be brought down.

CDBforyouandme
CDBforyouandme
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

To me it’s like this. The look of oldsters, with their shining eyes, all proud of wearing their “I Voted” stickers during the last national election … is as stupid as the idea of spending untold hours in front of a TV yelling about sportsball. Once you break from the spell, there is no going back. At least for me. I have boomer friends that made a lot of noise after the ’94 baseball strike, only to return one year later. Now, they “can’t live without muh baseball (name team)…” Reading about sportsball, $pending on childish gear, consuming it at… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  CDBforyouandme
2 years ago

Grown men wearing shirts with other men’s name on them.

Pretty creepy.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

You can’t vote yourself out of a mess you didn’t vote yourself into.

We are losing the war of attrition, due to immigration and media / educational propaganda. Voting is counter productive. We must find another way.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

What’s the best evidence for our elections being fraudulent? Of course, the biggest issues are the resistance to making voters show ID at all and resistance to clearing the voter rolls of ineligible voters. In 2020, the best intuitive evidence was that everyone went to bed on election night thinking that Trump was going to win and then we woke up and found that just enough votes showed up in just the right places for Biden. For me, two other videos: The vote counters locked the witnesses out of the building and taped pizza boxes to the windows to conceal… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

More theoretical than factual, but the Power Structure attempted to overthrow Trump by every waking moment directly he was elected. Anybody really think they didn’t see the 2020 election as the final opportunity to accomplish what they sought all along but had failed to do? They saw the opportunity, and they took it.

Nikolai Vladivostok
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I was unsure about the 2020 election until I saw the shennanigans in the Californian election. That made me realise that the process is hopelessly flawed at every level, with like-minded individuals and agencies working independently and without central coordination towards the same goal.
The people who design the ballots and envelopes, mail workers, officials, counting machine companies and judges do not have to conspire. They can all figure out what needs to be done to crush the kulaks.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Nikolai Vladivostok
2 years ago

Somewhere else on this thread, I think someone compared the 2020 election to a Walgreens in San Francisco. There is no syndicate of shoplifters conspiring to rob them out of business. Those people just instinctively recognize the new rules and act accordingly. That lends credence to Z-Man’s theory that the fraud last year was the result of many, many politically motivated election administrators to each do their small part, independent of an overarching plan.

Be Responsible
Be Responsible
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I mainly wanted a Trump win because I knew the chimps would burn their own cities. We needed that to happen, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective).

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Washington state all mail in ten years ago. leftist democrats have had a lock ever since. Legislative staffers openly wear antifa buttons.
National mail in did and will have the same result. Stalin was correct it’s who counts the votes.
Mao was right, political power comes from the barrels of guns.
Obama purged the officer corps.
Biden minions will purge the NCOs
Cops will follow orders enforceing laws made by the squad. & heels up Harris. Maybe Solzhenitsyn will be proved right I doubt it.

.

B125
B125
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

I admit I got carried away on election night. Trump was clearly going to win Florida and way ahead in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA. I knew they were going to steal it but I let myself forget about it at that moment. I went out to get a bag of chips to celebrate. When I got back, Arizona had just been called for team blue and the Jew on Fox news was gloating about it. WI, MI, and PA were not moving at all. When I woke up the next morning, WI was blue. MI kept getting closer that day… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Oh yeah. I was tooling around and about NYC all night, listening to the radio.

I heard the Shutdown live, and then the newspeople scramble to explain it through the morning.

Good gods Geraldo (WABC) is such a smoking faggot.
A toff, a tosser, a paid lady.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

When that pipe burst forcing the Fulton County, GA polling station to shut down for the night, I knew the fix was in.

btp
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Smoking gun. Yeah.

You have a friend whose girl goes for a nigh out with the gals – wine bar or some such. He says her location on her phone goes dark between 9 and 1. Weird. Happens twice, and he says he has suspicions but no smoking gun.

What do you tell him?

Getthemoneyfromtheseskels
Getthemoneyfromtheseskels
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

“Am I missing anything?” Yes, the history of your own country (assuming you are American). Too much to list for an internet post — you can delve into the 1960 race, Joseph Kennedy machinations in Illinois. Or without investing the time to read any of the Caro LBJ bios, look into mass vote harvesting by the people backing a former school teacher named Lyndon. Or more recently, the Clinton woman and her visit to the rebbe during her years as a Senator. Buying votes, fixers and ward leaders gathering boxes of votes, all long before 2020. The most recent election… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 years ago

The main point of an election boycott movement is to make Facebook and Twitter ban an election boycott movement.

A hallmark of third-world government is mandatory voting – see Brazil. Turkey, Ecuador, Peru’ etc. We will live to see mandatory voting here in the US, especially if there’s a boycott. This is why a boycott won’t work in the long run. But it’s exactly why we need to have a boycott in the short run – to make these jokers beclown themselves.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

Australia, which always has been a soft police state, mandates voting and aggressively fines those who do not participate. Given what has happened there during Covid, jail sentences may follow. I generally support what Z has suggested here and his analysis is correct. The exception would be where a particular candidate would force the system to again delegitimize itself as happened in ’20. Outside of Trump, I don’ think there is anyone viable to make them do this. And for the record, I will not be voting for Trump if he runs again unless I become convinced it would prompt… Read more »

Nikolai Vladivostok
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

In Australia, we have to turn up at the polling station and get our names marked off but the ballot is secret. In case mandatory voting is introduced there, the traditional way of protesting is to vote informal: do not properly mark the ballot. Instead, cover it with rude pictures and words. Very few actually do this though, because most people who don’t want to vote are indifferent, not based. They just donkey vote (mark the boxes 1-4 from top to bottom). Candidates used to be listed in alphabetical order but they had to change that rule to a random… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Nikolai Vladivostok
2 years ago

I did not realize anyone had already been jailed. It’s not shocking, though, likely because where I have spent the most time there is Victoria.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

“A hallmark of third-world government is mandatory voting – see Brazil. Turkey, Ecuador, Peru’ etc.”

And Australia, whose slide into totalitarianism was a surprise but not a shock.
What was a bit of a shock was the degree to which it was accepted., any resistance seems to be too little too late,

nailheadtom
2 years ago

If voting was truly meaningful it wouldn’t be allowed. Notice that no vote was ever taken to legitimize the American revolution. Ballots weren’t cast to enable the Louisiana Purchase or the acquisition of Alaska and Hawaii. Wars are never declared by the casting of votes. Picking the optimum septuagenarian to lead what was once the most powerful country on earth by counting the ballots of those who’ve never met the guy is sensible procedure, however.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  nailheadtom
2 years ago

Best statement of 2021 so far: “If voting was truly meaningful it wouldn’t be allowed.”

thank you.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

When I was a kid in San Francisco, hippie-remnant meth bums on my street corner sold pins that said IF VOTING CHANGED ANYTHING THEY’D MAKE IT ILLEGAL. Jello Biafra wore one when he ran for mayor. I don’t know if we were neighbors.

I’ve seen approximately that quote attributed to Mark Twain, but all Mark Twain quotes are fake (said Mark Twain), except the ones credited to Frank Zappa, Andy Warhol, George Carlin, and Jello Biafra.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Hemid
2 years ago

Original quote was Emma Goldman

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

Actually that’s and old saying, good nonetheless to keep using it.

JEB
JEB
2 years ago

Let’s see if I understand this:

1) Boycott the vote.
2) ???
3) Profit!

Did I get that right?

B125
B125
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

i think you mean tumor*

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

So you delegiitimize voting.

And then what?

I am curious as the suggestion of legitimizing revolt as a behavior once people accept voting is voided in a system that demands obedience to every utterance at the muzzle of a police gun.

This seems to me to be only 1 option.

Grey Mobius
Grey Mobius
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I was thinking the same thing as JEB but, Step 1: the vote is rigged so I’m not voting Step 2: ??? Step 3: We’ve learned them DemoCommies!! I just don’t get how us conservatives not voting is going to fix the system [if it could be fixed]. I’m re-reading Shibumi by Trevanian, there is a part where the American Military diplomat falsely concocts evidence that the Russians assassinated the captured Japanese general that the Russians wanted for a show-trial. When presented with the evidence the Russian lowered his glassed on his nose and said “So?” I imagine the Democraps… Read more »

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

1) Vote in an election in which you lose in a massive landslide.
2) Have Joe Biden brag he got the most votes in history, so you don’t have any constitutional rights anymore.
3) FBI knocks on your door for opposing CRT.
4) You: voter harder next time (after you post bail), but you agree with the jailing because muh democracy and all.
4) Profit (but not after they use the unrealized capital gains tax to take your farm or home).

btp
Member
Reply to  JEB
2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbK5V9MFXpc

You live under an illegitimate and tyrannical government. Stop pretending you don’t.

SidVic
SidVic
2 years ago

The problem as I see it is not voting per se, but rather the dearth of our guys to vote for. I will never vote for a conventional republican again to be sure. On the other hand, here in Appalachia I could see one of our guys (a Jared Taylor type) winning a congressional seat. If clever and persuasive he could shift opinion more in our direction and maybe help his constituency. Certainly, an appalachain pol could effectively counter the white privilege canard. We are in a full spectrum battle, and I favor the approach of fighting on all fronts,… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

Agreed with the post but not:
“Certainly, an appalachain pol could effectively counter the white privilege canard.”

This is playing on the enemy’s terms. “Proving” that you don’t have “white privilege” is like trying to prove you’re not a racist. it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t exist, and it’s not about whatever “white privilege” or “racism” is anyways, it’s about pushing an anti-white narrative.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I disagree. Crawling thru your own ass to disprove that one is racist feeds into the narrative that racism (race realism, reality) is bad, the worst thing you can be. White privilege doesn’t have the same connotations. Z cautions against negative identity. Fine. But we are in a dog fight here. I say, stoke white racial resentment. Certainly, build upon, and trumpet, the vast achievements of our ancestors. Do both. The globalists/élites have purposely and systematically targeted my people for addiction, hopelessness, and death. I find myself angry with them.
https://t.me/Gobucs1030

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

I choose to benefit people like me, they are more likely to benefit back. Their children and my children are more likely to mutually benefit.

Kith and Kin

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

If a vote can be used as a tool in certain circumstances, that makes sense. It will be very rare, though.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

“Create parallel institutions. For instance, a new version of the boy scouts that emphasizes martial and masculine virtues could be a big win.” But, but, that’s like Hitler plotting to do Hitler things! (Thanks for the laugh Z.) Back in the day I was an envirotard (believed in AGW, etc.) and after the hanging chad fiasco which kept our Gorey savior out of the big house I vowed never to vote in another presidential election. And didn’t until Trump came along. 2020 was an even bigger sh*tshow so I have no problem boycotting the next election or writing in Krusty… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Peabody
2 years ago

“After the Revolution is over, the Grim and Determined get around to the truly important work of denouncing each other.”
Wretchard, Belmont Club

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

Problem is what they do or are allowed to do when they get in.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

So cede from the country in small areas?

I wonder if the first couple will be larger waco type scenarios?

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

The Taki article and today’s post are perhaps the two most important commentaries on current political affairs that has been written in the past century. Con Inc. is foaming at the mouth in their zeal to persuade Normie to vote R at all costs in 2022. Dan Bongino will even come to your house and personally beat you if you try to stay home, and every other DC grifter is on the floor jerking spastically in their purple-faced rage at the thought that voters may wise-up and shun the next election. And yet, boycott is likely to be the only… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Lolz, ball fanning a bit vigorously here, aren’t we?

TomA
TomA
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

Humor is healthy, so fine with that. But if there is another messenger on the internet preaching this gospel this well, please point me to it. IMHO, this is Pulitzer Prize winning heresy and nary another soul is speaking with this level of clarity.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Yeah, my kids think I’m some sort of crackpot. or something. The neighbors agree.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Latte Daze Saints? Great line.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

The last time we “hit bottom” and the “collapse was the cure” we ended up with four terms of a commie FDR. With the current crop of fascist/communist pigs grifting around the current demofascist party and the swampy autocrats in Repub. Inc. what chance do we have now?

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

1929-1932 was not a collapse; it was an economic depression.
1988-1991 in the former Soviet Union was a collapse, and a mild one at that.

The USA is now approaching 50% obesity levels, and the models predict that that is a gamer changer for the next real collapse event. Hogs and cattle are typically fatted right before they go to slaughter.

Mycale
Mycale
2 years ago

The current narrative from the GOP is that Trump cost them Georgia, which cost them the Senate, which handed total control of the government to Democrats. The GOP viewed that as an unforgivable sin. However, look at what is out there. The Dems can’t get their key legislation passed, the legislation they said was inevitable after they won Georgia. Inflation is out of control. The supply chain is still completely broken. People are dropping out of the labor market in droves. The COVID mess of 2021 is completely on the Dems, despite all media resources being corralled to blame unvaccinated… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

It’s almost like a dysfunctional and corrupt third world country. Kind of like any country with a large black and mestizo population.

I wonder what’s causing this…

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

The GOP cost themselves the senate with their deficit hawk theatrics. They turned down that check only to lose the senate and get it anyway when the democrats took over. Then republicans went on to vote for a record defense department budget and more money for Israel.

B125
B125
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

They cost themselves the Senate by not deporting every non white from Georgia (and every other state).

I doesn’t matter what position they take, non whites vote for open borders, welfare, and CRT. And nobody does that better than the Dems.

Seriously, if the GOP kept Georgia 70 or 80% white they would win comfortably with 60%+ of the vote.

Ultimately they don’t want to win and their goal isn’t looking out for the white middle class interests anyways. But the specific reason they lost is basically racial and demographic and nothing else. (And voter fraud, enabled by the above)

Dan Bongino
Dan Bongino
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

So, I should vote for them, right?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

Good point. To add, there is almost no doubt (although it never gets discussed any more for obvious reasons) that McConnell himself sabotaged the Georgia races when he called Covid stimulus checks days before the run-off vote. That was particularly sweet.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

*Called Covid stimulus checks “welfare for the wealthy”

Melissa
Melissa
2 years ago

I recently spent a couple of days deep in the state of WV in a small town. Most families have resided there for generations. It was sad and surprising to see the Trump signs which still remain. His message resonated with so many White Americans. He had so many of us at beephole countries, build the wall and drain the swamp. We were all swept up in the glorious Trump wave. Then we were carried out into the middle of the ocean. Now many are floundering without a life raft. Those poor people struggling with skyrocketing inflation and family members… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Melissa
2 years ago

And those people still can’t see Trump shafted them every chance he got, was instrumental in setting up the new phoney China cold war and organized the rally for the express purpose of selling his supporters to the pharisees to set the stage for the domestic terror narrative.

fenster
fenster
2 years ago

The early management theorist Mary Parker Follett advised organizational leaders to follow the Law of the Situation. A robust effort aimed at understanding one’s situation does not automatically suggest the right path but it is a constant risk for heuristics-prone humans to let principles and axioms get in the way of a simple understanding of the situation. So what’s the situation, Kenneth? You often speak in a pragmatic way about sound organizing. But I am not persuaded that your boycott notion is of much value given conditions at hand. I am not saying that a boycott cannot be effective. But… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  fenster
2 years ago

Are you aware of any democracy which has ever voted its way out of such institutional and cultural rot as we are having?

I get the conditioning of not wanting to give up and vote harder for some new person or party (which doesn’t exist), but all efforts of reform have failed.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Wasn’t uncle H voted in?

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

No. Uncle Adolph never won an election in his life. He was appointed by Von Hindenburg and then he assumed the role Chancellor when Von Hindenburg died.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  fenster
2 years ago

“I am not saying that a boycott cannot be effective. But you need to say more about how and why a boycott moves the ball forward.” An organized national election boycott may delegitimize the result — certainly a democrat victory in all presidential elections after 2024 — in enough minds to make it difficult for the regime to impose its will on the population. It makes more people open to resisting because they no longer put any faith in the system. They have no skin in the game. Also, it makes the public more willing to consider alternatives like a… Read more »

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

An organized national election boycott may delegitimize the result — certainly a democrat victory in all presidential elections after 2024 — in enough minds to make it difficult for the regime to impose its will on the population.

What makes you think the dems or progs or whatever give a shit about the opinion of their victims?

The last two years should be all the evidence you need that they don’t.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

What makes you think “voting harder” will make a difference? Why would the dems or progs respect your vote? Did they last time? But next time will be different, right?

c matt
c matt
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

It’s not about convincing the Dems. It’s about shaking Joe Normie free of his delusions, and making our “allies” scurry for another ship while this one sinks. The latter being a pressure point the Dems would have to respond to.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

If 2 years of forcing people to wear a muzzle in a western society when they are outside their house, imprison them in their house for weeks on end, restrict their ability to work and travel internally without getting an experimental injection does not wake people up, I am wondering what you think will? This should demonstrate that 90% of people will internalize any injustice if it is pushed in the right way. Let me spell it out: They are never going to wake up as they are not asleep. They are NPCs running preprogrammed media scripts and can no… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  fenster
2 years ago

Thank you for this post. You are the “classic” latte-drinking Normie that I often refer to in my comments. Your addiction to the Comfort First Imperative is so powerful that you will bend over backwards to rationalize suicide as the optimum solution. It is this mindset that becomes a precursor to official genocide and resulted in the deaths of over a 100 million innocents during the 20th Century. That is your superpower, the ability to persuade others that the Jim Jones’ koolaid tastes good.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  fenster
2 years ago

That was a very wordy

“trust the plan”

PASARAN
PASARAN
2 years ago

I had put 2 comments on theamericanconservative.com, against propaganda for a war for Taïwan.

Those comments have beeen cancelled by the site.

Conservatives are a POS.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Go back and post you’ve changed your mind and think there should be an all-out nuclear war. That will be pulled down, too.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

OT: colin powell dead from the coof. fully vaxxed, too. bet it was the jab that killed hime.

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

I’m so happy X2

1-because he was vaxxed

2-because every men and women involved IN FAVOR of the wars against Saddam’s Irak should die slowly and painfuly.

RepublicansAreTrash
RepublicansAreTrash
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Are we chalking up Powell as a pro-war malefactor now? I’d argue he was worse than the openly neocon frat brothers, because he only signed off on it, seemingly out of pique, after his peers at Turtle Bay “dissed” him. Powell should’ve resigned as soon as it was apparent that Cheney would get his way. C. Rice was of course, did much worse than Powell as the follow-up act. Meanwhile everybody says Gates was obviously more competent than Rumsfeld but isn’t this due for revision? The best thing you can say about him is the Chinese fire drill in Afghanistan… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  RepublicansAreTrash
2 years ago

At the time I thought Powell may have been too stupid to realize that he was being played. That’s not to forgive anything, or say that he was a great guy otherwise (he wasn’t) but I seriously doubt that he, say, wrote any part of that spiel that he pitched at the U.N.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

He was a good boy who just got mixed up with the wrong crowd?

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

He’s on the grand tour of hell right this minute and about to be pushed, by Satan himself, into the lake of fire.

I fell in to a burning lake of fire
I went down down down…..

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Yeah, I wish there were a literal hell so that bastard could roast there beside the Bushes.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Fox news said he was known for his integrity. Then they said that while he was skeptical about the iraq war, he sold it anyway and later regretted it! They showed him selling it with some little vial of chemicals, saying Saddam can’t even account for a teaspoon full.

Visual aids are so helpful!

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

It will be interesting to see what the regime comes up with for the narrative on this one. If he had the booster, they will have some real problems coming up with spin even their faithful followers find credible. If he had not taken the booster, that will most likely be their go to line. I would like to hear what the doctors gave him. Although as an 84 year old cancer survivor, he may not have been helped by anything.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Bingo
He had one foot in the grave, another on a banana peel.

If he was given the booster, I highly doubt the media will allow that to be articulated.

Why would anyone think we would get a straight answer?

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

https://www.foxnews.com/health/colin-powell-covid-complications-vaccine-medical-experts

Judging by this, the narrative is to use this to push the boosters.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

Haha. They are never going to say whether he had the booster or not, just go straight to the propaganda. Powell was probably vaccinated in January so any benefit he would have received had long worn off by now. It doesn’t matter what happens, boosters forever!

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

The only good Neocon…

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

But don’t forget to sign up for the new Patriot phone because we believe in the constitution and the right to life and the 2nd amendment and America the beautiful! Sign up now, send your money our way.
And remember to tell them Dam Bonjino sent you!.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

I bet it was his cancer (multiple myeloma) that killed him.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Hank Aaron died 17 days after the stab. Not a vaccine death according to our betters. Ditto Marvelous Marvin Hagler and myriad other athletes.

NateG
NateG
2 years ago

They struck gold with the ballot stuffing and they know it. It will continue and nothing will change unless that is addressed and fixed any way possible.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  NateG
2 years ago

It can’t be fixed. They control it. They have no motive to “fix” it. As far as they are concerned it’s working fine.

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  MBlanc46
2 years ago

I’d disagree that they control it. As z has pointed out here, it seems unlikely there’s some grand conspiracy that the party is involved in for ballot stuffing. Instead, they take away all safeguards and say to their fanatics, “Now don’t do anything” [wink]. It’s like the shoplifting in San Francisco. They took away consequences and said, “now promise not to steal things.” Then the people take care of the rest and act as expected.

Gunner Q
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

“it seems unlikely there’s some grand conspiracy that the party is involved in for ballot stuffing.”

What? “Dominion” Voting Systems wasn’t obvious enough for you?

They aren’t even trying to hide their evil anymore. They just mock us now. “You will own nothing and be happy.”

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Greek
2 years ago

Z is always pointing to every obvious conspiracy, writing whole articles describing just a thing and then denying there is any conspiracy.

JTLiuzza
JTLiuzza
Reply to  NateG
2 years ago

Exactly right.

And even if nobody shows up to vote, reports in the regime media will be record turnouts and mandate for the victors. 80,000,000 votes! Complete with county by county breakdown and fancy colorful maps.

They already work around the clock to manufacture legitimacy for the stolen 2020 elections. They will continue to do that in the midterms and beyond.

Nikolai Vladivostok
Reply to  JTLiuzza
2 years ago

People will film empty polling stations, those videos will be pulled from the main platforms as Russian misinformation, the fact checkers will declare it a conspiracy theory and half the country will gleefully believe it, again.
Still, a boycott would make elites nervous. ‘If they’re not voting, what ARE they doing?’

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  NateG
2 years ago

Many places have also made mail-in voting permanent.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

That’s Trump at his best. Actually running things, maybe not so much.

Have to say, I’m still voting locally, where the cost of shenanigans is perhaps too high for the reward. Still believe in town hall democracy.

Nationally I couldn’t care less at this point. Washington is making itself irrelevant anyway.

B125
B125
2 years ago

Careful what you wish for. The Republicans are the Stupid Party, but compare the US Republicans with the Canadian, Australian, and NZ politicians. Most of you can still do things like own guns legally, go to restaurants / theaters without proof of vax, go to church, and cross state lines (can’t do that in Australia, the most locked down country in the world). In the rest of the Anglosphere, the “right wing” parties have identical platforms to the leftist parties. Imagine Bernie Sanders vs. Pete Buttigieg (right wing) vs. Ilhan Omar. There is not even a debate about mass immigration,… Read more »

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I totally agree. GOP is our last hope for western world. Trump is not very clever on this matter. Just considering how the GOP have evolved from a neocon bunch of retards Bushists to a clearly trumpian movement.

Not voting and let the dems vote for a federal control of elections ? Crazy.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

we are way past that, already. your maginot line is archaic.

B125
B125
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Way to completely miss my point. Are you trolling?

The GOP *is not* the last hope, only hope, or any hope at all.

But they can be used as useful idiots while Dissidents do the real work behind the scenes.

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

there is no big right-wing party as equal considering lockdown and pass.

More and more Trumpians wins GOP primaries.

More and more civcucks left the party (Rodriguez, Ohio)

So, no, I’m not trolling. I think not voting is the express way to suicide.

I would have not say that if the GOP was still Romney-Bush-McCain.

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

wow, 2-16. I feel like a democrat in north texas or a trumpian in DC^^

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

(But I disagree on your “Demographics alone prove it” pessimistic theory. I think a lot of latinos and a significant minority of black workers will vote more and more GOP. Even Rudy Teixeira admit it. The democratic coalition can’t survive with a so big rule of crazyleft “educated” white people)

RepublicansAreTrash
RepublicansAreTrash
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

The critical mass of crazy upscale whitefolk does make the Democratic Party unstable, but it doesn’t threaten them if these crazies have nowhere else to go.

Nobody has proposed a serious alternative that would siphon off these college-loving boogie Democrats (clearly now including ex-Republicans in the millions). The Green Party is clearly too down-market and stinking of patchouli oil, but in other Western countries they make a real problem for whoever is the center-left major party.

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  RepublicansAreTrash
2 years ago

Maybe it’s because I came from the left. I have still some leftists tropes. Not voting is insane for me, as it is insane for every leftist.
At the opposite, I have very often see right-wingers having the incounscious desire for “glorious defeat”. I’m not at all like that.

LATINOS VOTE MORE AND MORE GOP
GOP IS MORE AND MORE POPULIST

Not voting for it NOW is insane.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Pasaran: Well golly gee. Latinx are ‘natural conservatives,’ who knew? George Dubya and JEB were just before their time. And all those hardworking blacks, and church-going black women. Natural based allies, according to Pasaran. Forward together, amirite?

RepublicansAreTrash
RepublicansAreTrash
Reply to  RepublicansAreTrash
2 years ago

*bougie

Incidentally “Boogie Man” is a fun documentary about Lee Atwater.

Since the end of the Clinton impeachment Southern GOP office-holders have become more fashionable and sensitive to the manners of enlightened rich wokeocrats, something I was assured (by Northerners) was impossible at the time. Nancy Mace or Madison Cawthorn is a prototypical social-climber GOP box-ticking hire in the New South now. They have mostly shaken off the anti-telegenic (teledysgenic?) DGAF ambience of the Jesse Helms days. Also I realize it is unfair to accuse Cawthorn of social climbing but my newspeak capabilities failed me at the moment

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

There’s no reason to believe that when we have decades of elections that prove otherwise. “The democratic coalition can’t survive with a so big rule of crazyleft “educated” white people.” I think it can. We’ve seen time and again how easy it is to whip up racial hatred and get people to vote on the basis of “our side vs. theirs.” Emotion is often enough to overrule logic in democratic systems. Thus, Larry Elder was painted as an Uncle Tom “black face of white supremacy” and the democrat was returned to power. That’s how the people of Venezuela returned a… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

You mean Biden?

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

There is something to what you say. And multiple approaches are certainly possible, short term. But in the bigger picture, delegitimizing the system is the best means of bringing it down.

PASARAN
PASARAN
Reply to  MBlanc46
2 years ago

I don’t think so.

Here in France, on our last municipal elections (very popular, some decades ago), near 70% of people didn”‘t vote.

Result : nothing new happened, and crazy green leftists had take control of big cities, avoiding quasi-litteraly cars from the cities.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

Most French voters are still French. And, perhaps ironically, the non-Caucasian vote was one of the key differences in the current French president being elected (nearly all Muslims — a growing demographic — voted for him).

Normal White Americans simply don’t have enough people to win presidential elections anymore. It’s getting to the point where this will become true in some European countries soon. The right will be permanently locked out of power due to racially motivated, anti-Caucasian voting. Who wants to legitimize that?

B125
B125
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

This just happened in Canada too. There’s been 2 elections in a row where the “Conservative” party won the popular vote and vast majority of land mass, but the Liberal party won more seats. The non-white voters, particularly black, Sikh and Muslims are now so numerous in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal that there are enough seats there to carry the Liberals to victory. Hindus and Chinese might vote Conservative a little more but still break Liberal overall. So despite having a far left platform identical to the Liberals, the “conservatives” still lost because of demographics. If you are white or… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  PASARAN
2 years ago

And if more people voted how would it have been different? Perhaps France is different, but I don’t know, for example, why anyone in New York City would bother voting ever.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

It’s a tough needle to thread, for sure. Local is the key word. For all our faults, there are still enough Americans working locally to bring pressure on a governor like Abbot. Every now and then you get a DeSantis. Or you castrate a wannabe dictator like we did in PA, or you simply defy orders so they aren’t enforced. Politics is always about power. Local is how you build a leviathan to take on the big boys. They’re already incorporated, we need to incorporate our thing. It might paradoxically bring on their collapse. MAGA almost got the job done,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Voting can be another kind of sand in the gears. Anything to buy us time.

The intelligence agencies are the secret masters. Remember, those agencies formed to hunt down dissident Russian and German patriots throwing sand in the gears.

Now they rule us and the world.
We Must. Buy. Time.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

There is only really 1 agency spread around the west.

The local branches have just enacted a reverse takeover of their areas’ ruling bodies since the war.

slaken
slaken
2 years ago

They have people casting ballots for the infirm or dead, they skim off third party votes into their tally via computerized voting machine algorithms, and they are importing millions of illegals to vote or at least use they names under which to vote. They only thing that your casting a vote against them does is it that it may force them to pull up a truckload or two of nameless filled-out identical ballots in the middle of the night to make up any unforeseen deficit they face in an election they want to win. Without your voting, they can just… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  slaken
2 years ago

This is my approach as well. Like putting the ball in play in baseball or taking a shot on goal in soccer/hockey, voting will test the abilities of our adversaries and the more pressure the more likely they make a mistake.

Let’s not kid ourselves and assume that the Uniparty is omnipotent like the frickin Matrix. What we are up against are a bunch of midwits who have to oversee the operations of a lot of vibrant riggers. There will be cracks eventually.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Mr. Generic
2 years ago

That’s why I’ll vote for Trump again, not because I think he can save our already murdered country. Our evil ruling class HATES him SO FREAKING MUCH they will desperation cheat and it will be even more obvious this time, with many more normies receptive to the possibility and watching than last time. Even if they were cognizant enough to understand the ensuing cascade of delegitimization and destabilization, they won’t be able to control themselves. It’s pathetic, but their time preference marks them for what the vast majority really are: overpromoted dreg proles whose genetic lines were never part of… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

I assume you think WWE is real?

They just hate the masked avenger so much….. I will totally support him in the next bout.

Mountain Rat
Mountain Rat
2 years ago

While none of them want to lose their place at the trough, I don’t think they give a damn about winning the house or being in the majority. In fact their job as designated losers is easier when not in power.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Mountain Rat
2 years ago

Remember when they voted to repeal Obamacare 80 some times and the couldn’t repeal it when they had power?

Dumb move. Gave away the game.

The artist formerly known as Judge Smails
The artist formerly known as Judge Smails
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Wasn’t John McCain’s last official act the deciding vote to save Obamacare? I remember they were so sloppy his website still had links to old press releases about the need to “fight Obamacare”.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Another approach that would be delicious is blatant ballot stuffing. It doesn’t even need to be illegal, but just a lot of people running around who are a *tad* pushy about who you should vote for. With mail in ballots, if you can get the poor schmuck to sit with you and the ballot, most will go-along to get along with whoever you *persuade* them to vote for.

Make it an emotionally painful experience.

JG
JG
2 years ago

Mmmm. Others have said it more eloquently than I but this is my take. I won’t vote anymore because my vote will be negated by some vibrant person in Wayne county. Simple as that. Couple that sentiment with the whole “… if we get the house back we can do X!” Along with “… if we get the Senate back we can do this!”. Lastly “… Trump will be able to appoint supreme court judges!” Here we are, Obamacare remains, and the supremes were not even going to hear any a case about voting irregularities. I/we have given the Republicans… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  JG
2 years ago

There’s also the constant drum beat of “if we win, we can get back to doing X, Y, and Z!”. Come again? I don’t want to go back to anything. I’ve got great memories of the 80’s, but that’s not going to do much good for my progeny.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  JG
2 years ago

From a conservative perspective it’s a “Democrats in they win, Republicans in we lose” coin flip. Why bother flipping the coin?

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
2 years ago

I will vote in local elections if I have a decent choice for mayor, city council…..I might also vote in state elections if I think it could keep my state somewhat sane.
As for Federal elections?
They can go pound sand.
The Federal system is too far gone and neither national party has my interests in mind.
Not voting is a legitimate way to protest a system that does not represent us.

Felix Krull
Member
2 years ago

You cannot complain about the system if you do not participate in the system is the logic of democracy. It is a bizarre logic when you consider it.

Yes, mindboggling: you knew the rules going in, you signed on the dotted line, you promised to obey whomever the electoral process put in charge and now you’re out in the streets with your placards and your bullhorns, demanding special, extra-democratical consideration?

No, you only have a right to complain if you don’t vote.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Exactly. If you vote for a candidate from a party that literally never does anything about the issues that you can about – immigration, the Dems bashing whites, etc. – even when they control the House, the Senate and the presidency, then you have no right to complain.

The GOP did everything in its power to thwart Trump. If you vote for any Republican who isn’t openly against the GOP leadership (which is none), than you have no right to complain.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

“. If they come to see that voting is just ceremonial, a play put on to keep them pacified, then the system cracks….”

—————-
Does it, now.

Perhaps you weren’t paying attention in the last election? If you don’t vote, some low IQ black baboon will do it for you. DEAD people voted.

From where I sit, this is just polishing a turd called apathy.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I know you have stated this position often but I suggest you take the longer view.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

I hope you are right and I am wrong, David.

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

For me the turd is being ruled by a foreign hostile tribe and voting is the turd-polish.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

If G.W. Bush has taught us anything, it’s that Con Inc. presidents are even worse than Democrats. At least Obama never pretended to be our friend. Like has been said several times, The federal government will become just like California, and it’s just a matter of whether it will take ten years or thirty years. Democracy has never been a winning system for the traditional right, and it’s time our side primed themselves for something new. Yes, it will mean 20 years of pain, but it’s better than 50 years of slow boil where your male children will end up… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

I’d rather see us spit on our hands, hoist the black flag and start slitting throats, Chet.

You cannot run away from what’s coming. They are going to come after you. And your kids.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I know. I also know voting is a massive time sink that will not save is from what is coming this way. Only an explicitly illiberal institution will.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

That low IQ baboon is going to vote in any case. Several of them. They wait to see how many votes the opposition (such as it is) gets, then manufacture enough ballots to “win”. Your vote is going to be cancelled, one way or another.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
2 years ago

Right.

So we walk away and let them do it? And then we do…. what? Set up a parallel system of some sort? What happens when the noggers and jews and commies decide to subvert it too?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I agree

And then what?
The strategy is

1. don’t vote
2. ????
3. profit

There is an obvious missing step that needs to be realistically addressed in an organized manner.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I’ve mentioned to few people that I will choose to not vote. It definitely has an effect. Beyond the usual “if you don’t vote, you can’t complain,” you can see that the concept of purposely not voting has simply never crossed their mind.

Sure, some people don’t vote out of laziness or indifference, but to thoughtfully and willfully chose to not vote something that they’ve neither seen nor heard about. It makes people think. Now, whether they think it’s crazy, I can’t say, but it does make them think.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I would encourage people to be situational about it. Go vote for men like Mo Brooks or Paul Gosar if you have those options and leave the rest of the ballot blank. There are maybe 10 or so Republicans in Congress worth voting for. If you have decent local and state candidates vote for them too.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

If a specific candidate is openly critical of the GOP or openly opposes immigration, I could see voting for him. However, this only proves my point.

You have to first stop voting for traditional GOP candidates for the GOP establishment to notice when you do come out for candidates that appeal to whites.

Force the GOP to choose between dying as a party or changing. I seriously doubt that they will change since their donors don’t want it, but if that’s the case, we need the GOP to die anyway.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

By law, you can’t leave any one blank. If you do, the ballot is declared incomplete and thrown out.

You have to pick someone or a yes/no for each and every position or measure.

They don’t count partials. Yes, the system’s been tossing ballots for decades.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

The more rational is “if you vote, you can’t complain.” You had your say, right? So what are you complaining about? That you played in a rig system? Your fault for playing.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

Yeah, I made that same point up above with Felix Krull. If you support a regime that hates you, you can’t complain about living in a regime that hates you.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

I didn’t like my last poker hand either, I want my chips back.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

In other words, even a poorly organized boycott could prevent the Republicans from getting the House. It is a low cost, high reward strategy to send a message.

The message that the establishment would receive from such an outcome is that the alt right is irrelevant and that the Biden Reich is on the right track.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Election boycotts are a tried and true method of delegitimizing the ruling regimes of many despotic countries. Once people vocally check out of the system, more extreme measures like civil wars, independence movements, and coups become possible. Voting in elections you can’t win only serves to legitimize them while quelling the opposition. “One of the reasons that CA has turned into a third world shithole is that conservative people checked out of the electoral system in the early 90s. Leaving the field to dems.” That isn’t really true. Republicans can’t win in California due to demographic change. “Voting harder” won’t… Read more »

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

That isn’t really true. Republicans can’t win in California due to demographic change. “Voting harder” won’t make a difference when the state has actually seen a total decline of White Caucasians… CA voted Republican through the mid 90s. in 94 it enacted a proposition by a wide majority that restricted illegal immigrants civic participation – that was struck down by the courts. Following that court intervention a lot of conservative people gave up on the voting as pointless – as is being advocated here. And things quickly got much worse. The one time they came together was 2003 to eject… Read more »

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

“CA voted Republican through the mid 90s.” … then the changing demographics made it practically impossible for the GOP to win, outside of the one exception — Schwarzenegger (elected on the basis of his celebrity). California demographics. Spot the difference between when republicans could win that state when they suddenly stopped (1988 was the last GOP presidential victory). 1970: 70%+ White 1980: 66% 1990: 57% 2000: 47% 2010: 40% 2020: ~35% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California The rest of your post just amounts to “vote harder.” It won’t work. How many negative results does one need to demonstrate that point? “Yes clearly wishing harder… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

https://www.270towin.com/states/California
It appears that the ’86 amnesty, the subsequent chain migration, and counting illegals in the Census (apportionment) ended Republican viability in CA.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

“Voting harder” won’t make a difference…

Yes clearly wishing harder and bitching online are the path to victory.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

The other good thing about the Southwest pilots’ strike is that they found a choke/pressure point the Marxists would notice, which is something they have used to great effect over the years.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

On events, he Right sleuths, “who benefits? We’ll get to the bottom of this.”

The Left says, “How can I exploit it?”

They are shallow, thus quick.

Predators don’t waste a second pondering consequences, fairness, the big picture, or their right to take a bite out of my leg.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

“The message that the establishment would receive from such an outcome is that the alt right is irrelevant and that the Biden Reich is on the right track.”

One would think that conservatives voting in elections and losing in landslides would do the trick even better. You did everything you could and still lost, so they’ll figure the people have to be on their “right side of history”. You’re just an irrelevant minority unrepresentative of the majority public in such a system.

dinothedoxie
dinothedoxie
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

Election boycotts are a tried and true method of delegitimizing the ruling regimes of many despotic countries.

Name one where that led to an outcome the boycotters wanted, that wan’t part of a larger scheme by a foreign intelligence service (read CIA or KGB).

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Name one republican presidential candidate who has won California since 1988, then ask yourself if “voting harder” is really likely to make a difference the next time when it hasn’t in nearly a quarter of a century.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

There’s a “meta” issue here though: most whites still feel that self-organizing is not only unnecessary, but wrong, because they think their concerns can be addressed within the system via the ballot box. Something that would go a long way towards improving our situation is the group realization that strategy is nothing but fantasy.

Ironically then voting might matter as we could find the candidates who fear us more than our enemies.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  dinothedoxie
2 years ago

A Aborigine who’s home was in Britain told me, “European truckers go on strike all the time, and boom! We get what we want.”

On the other hand, they get small concessions, but are still losing their countries.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Well, let’s do a pascal’s wager on this: If you vote, nothing really changes anyway and all you’ve really accomplished is adding a little more legitimacy to the system If you don’t vote, doesn’t really matter but they will simply manufacture the “legitimacy” through the same fake votes used in 2020 or whatever else. So, same as above. If you don’t vote, you personally will not have added to the legitimacy, they will need to use shenanigans to create legitimacy, and the shenanigans have a decent shot (given the internet nowadays) of at least being raised if not found out.… Read more »

Mittens Romney
Mittens Romney
2 years ago

I made a commitment to never voting republican again after senate republicans unanimously voted to make Juneteenth a holiday. I’ve seen nothing since that would convince me otherwise. It’s clear the republicans exist solely to gatekeep their own side on behalf of the left. There are countless other examples, like that moron senator from Indiana who embarrassed himself on Tucker Carlson embracing BLM because Chuckie Schumer might get mad at him otherwise. If republicans get power again, they’ll do nothing in our interests, just more tax cuts for Google and lobbying for Middle Eastern wars. If this is a choice… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Mittens Romney
2 years ago

But this disassociation of the local Republican party from the clearly cucked, Uniparty national Republican party happens somehow by magic if you refuse to vote for local Republicans who have indicated that they are at least somewhat on your side merely because they are nominally Republican happens how again? Even if they are only running for state or local office? State political control is still possible in some places (sadly not here in NJ), so why toss away at least the agency available through state sovereignty by a blanket “take my ball and go away” non-voting strategy? Is there any… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Basement Joe and the team running him are now threatening Navy SEALs:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-threatens-make-unvaxxd-navy-seals-repay-their-training-costs

I’m sure Joe can cow them into submission by challenging them to a pushup contest and threatening to wrap 6 feet of chain around their heads.

Corn Pop was a bad dude!

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

This is how they push system pigs to our side.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

If I ran the book I’d set the over/under on “SEALs who under any circumstance are convertible from /theirguy/ to /ourguy/” at one guy, and I’d have a thousand shills bet the under.

Uniform man turned terror-rightist by trauma of disillusionment is *their* fantasy character. Their fantasies are all stupid.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Hemid
2 years ago

Flight Lt. Jerry Rawlings and Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe would like to have a word with you.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

They’re practically begging for a coup.

B125
B125
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Still don’t get it. I made the point last week about how I don’t understand why they’re now pushing normal white people *off* the plantation. Seems much worse for the system to have a bunch of pissed off, unemployed white guy Navy Seals with nothing to lose, than to have them roped into servitude with promise of pension and promotions. That really goes for every white guy. I’m being pushed out as well. If I were President I would want people like myself working inside the system rather than hating it from outside. Maybe they really are planning on exterminating… Read more »

Vive la
Vive la
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Perhaps they are looking for a repeat of the Vendee. They certainly seem well-prepared to manipulate any protest to conform to their narrative. Hence rape-victim fathers become domestic terrorists.

Pete
Pete
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

They believe whites have become so domesticated that whites will never hit back no matter how much they get abused.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

BTW. If voting didn’t matter at all. The establishment would not spend so much effort in demoralizing the right and energizing the left. They also wouldn’t continually drift left. They’d be interested in stability, even if only for their own sake.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

At this point I’m convinced voting is just there to provide the thinnest smokescreen of legitimacy to the fraudulent American political selection process.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

If elections didn’t matter at all there would not be any sturm and drang around them.

Elections were held and didn’t matter at all in the Soviet Union – and there was no drama around them.

That there is so much drama indicates that they do still matter here. That doesn’t mean that they are entirely free and fair or whatever. But there not completely pro forma either.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

or it’s all manufactured drama.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Exactly. It’s theater. I remember in ’08 the HRC people at the DNC were so angry that the party kept changing the rules on the fly to make BHO the candidate that they earned the sobriquet “PUMA” (Party Unity My Arse.) They did the same thing in the last election cycle to kill enthusiasm for Tulsi. The “R’s” pull the same stunts.

Angarrack
Angarrack
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Elections are only important in that they draw all the political energies of the Right into a futile activity. Remove the attraction of inane electioneering and people might start to engage in genuinely political acts.

The drama is part of the scam

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Exactly the opposite. The drama is needed to get the average Joe to believe it does matter. If it really mattered, no drama necessary to gin up interest because, well, it would matter.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

What’s that got to do with voting? They want to demoralize you because that’s what you do to an enemy, they want you defeatist and apathic.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“They’re are enemy”
You can’t win if you don’t show up for the fight.

The American right has adopted the ethos of Scott’s highlanders of running away from a battle. That might ensure survival, at least in the short term, but it’s no path to victory.

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

There’s no path to victory by “voting harder.” The last election should have proven that.

“They want to demoralize you because that’s what you do to an enemy”

Voting in elections you can’t win due to mass immigration and demographic change does that. Worse, you legitimize your loss and quell your own side by participating.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

You should listen to Uncle Adolf instead of Mel Gibson: “As long as we’re gaining adherents, confrontation is not in our interest.”

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Your McLean adolf engaged in the electoral process.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Voting matters for propaganda, not policy.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

There some truth to what you’re saying, but it’s not 100% accurate. One of the reasons that CA has turned into a third world shithole is that conservative people checked out of the electoral system in the early 90s. Leaving the field to dems. Which in turn became increasingly deranged. I’d say the real problem for the right i this country is two fold. First it doesn’t have any affirmative agenda. It’s hard to get what you want for any paradigm when you don’t know what you want in the first place, and don’t try to get it in the… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

I am starting to think the left wins because it’s the agent of an invading foreign force that uses democratic politics as its vehicle. The right doesn’t defend because it doesn’t see the invasion for what it is, instead they see it as the normal political process. And if it is an invasion what can be done about it? The democratic government has taken all police and military powers for itself and it itself is the invading entity; there’s nothing left to defend against it. Call it colonialism by another name. The power behind the left has nothing to do… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

That paradigm is entirely consistent with my observations that the right doesn’t know what it wants and sucks at collective action to get it.

Ultimately, the problem is with us, not them.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The right ultimately does know but cannot bring itself to think it. Their own private rule following prevents them from even considering the goal. Hence they are ever caught in refusing to look over the wall lest they think bad thoughts that contravene the public rules they have internalized. The left, on the other hand, lays claim to public rules but seem to have no internal rules, so have no hesitation in changing these 180 degrees at a whim in deciding to exterminate its opposition through direct action and force. Those who set the public rules will ultimately control both… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

The biggest difference I see (assuming it isn’t all just a show anyway) the Dems will use power, the GOP simply fears it. For mostly ill, the Dems do things when they get in power, the GOP does everything it can not to accomplish anything.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Most conservatives are “live and let live.” Libertarian. “You do you, I’ll do me.” Federalist. Let the local community decide most issues.

The lesson since the 1960s is that most people are not like that. That libertarian trait probably has a genetic basis and it is not widely dispersed around the world.

Ironically, any libertarian country would have to be very restrictive about who gets to enter and vote.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

Honest question…

What is the best approach? Just not visiting the polls? Visiting the polls and turning in a blank ballot? Visiting the polls and voting for a ridiculous 3rd party or write in?

I am leaning towards showing up and turning in a blank ballot, but not sure what might be the best way to demonstrate withdrawing consent.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

I’d reason that not turning up would be the better option. Compleatly withdraw. That time you spend queuing up with paper Americans could be better spent tending to your cucumbers, acquiring a skill, or preparing for violence by state actors.

Of course, getting a tasty sandwich would also be a better use of your time.

That said, if the polls in your area are full of ‘our type’ of people, you could do a bit a probing whilst waiting. But definitely a ‘No’ to queuing with Chan, DeVonTray, Ranjeet, Okigbo, Afshar, Gomez and Lin Dinh Dong.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

OrangeFrog: You just described what it was like when I suspended my ‘no voting’ vow and voted for Trump. And it reinforced how absolutely imbecilic it was for me to take the time and trouble when I knew – I absolutely f&&king knew – that my single vote would go into the pool of votes cast by Chan, DeVonTray, Ranjeet, Okigbo, Afshar, Gomez, and Lin Dinh Dong. Even those pushing ‘vote locally’ fail to accurately account for the personality type and work/financial background of anyone who succeeds in politics to the point of getting his name on the ballot as… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

3g4me-

All pols are like this.

Once upon a time new NY gov Hochul was praised for her pro-2A stance.

Now look at her.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

I prefer showing up to write none of the above. Or write something like ‘repeal 19A’.

Kinda like leaving a dime for a tip, rather than nothing at all, cause it snows you remembered but didn’t care for the service.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

Standing in front of the polling place with a sign “Voting is for retards!”

Severian
2 years ago

A similar case happened with the original boycotts, back in Colonial Times. The original nonimportation etc. agreements weren’t very effective, economically. Setting aside for obvious reasons the more, ummm, vigorous responses to things like the Stamp Act, the various boycotts are worth looking at, for the reasons you describe. Economically they were a pinprick at best, but politically they showed that the whole mercantile system was bust, at least on the Colonial end — the Crown needed the Colonies far more than the Colonies needed the Crown. A voting boycott, even a small one, would work the same way. The… Read more »

David Wright
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Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

As stated we have manufactured consent but most know now that we have manufactured votes also. I wonder if not voting will produce vapor votes. Still, I’m done. I only restarted voting since 2016.

Severian
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

Obvious fraud would be even better, from our perspective. A Democrat winning with 100% of a tiny number of votes cast would be great… but a Dem winning with 95% of some huge number of votes cast would be even better. And yeah, I know, if they were smart they’d produce some remotely realistic pattern of “vapor votes”… but they’re not smart. Look at Brandon, the Most Popular President Ever, who won with the Most Votes Ever Cast. That’s the level of intelligence we’re dealing with here.

Jerome
Jerome
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

London was more interested in India than the Americas.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

yet he is still president and the opposition is all but unemployable due to widespread non-mandates and rapidly becoming normalized as domestic terrorists?

Seems like the not smart are pretty much over the line.