The Hive Mind

One of the transcendent features of left-wing people, regardless of time and place, is their complete lack of self-awareness. The great blind spot for all left-wing people is the reflection in the mirror. They are incapable of seeing themselves other than as the hero in a great struggle. This story out of Canada about the correlation between Covid-loving and Putin-hating is a great example. The Left thinks it confirms their righteous hatred of their enemy, but it merely confirms their lack of self-awareness.

According to the story, “Unvaccinated Canadians are about 12 times more likely than those who received three doses to believe Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was justified, according to a new survey by national polling firm EKOS.” Now, polling is a dodgy business, so this could be a fake poll designed to titillate the far-left. The fact that such a scenario is possible, however, is more proof of the general thesis about the far-left’s lack of self-awareness.

There are two ideas advanced in the coverage of this poll. One is that the unvaccinated are immoral, so it stands to reason that they support the evil Hitler guy.  The Left all over the West has been fixated on the vaccine as a moral signifier. They rushed to be the first to prove their piety within the Covid cult and they rushed to condemn the vaccine skeptics as ignorant hooligans. The Left would have embraced face tattoos for the vaccinated if it was an option.

That was something else that turned up in places with vaccine mandates. There was some suggestion that the unvaccinated be forced to wear armbands, but there were two problems with that plan. One is the obvious link to some unfortunate events that occurred in the last century. The other is the Left instinctively feared the armband would become a moral signifier for their enemies. The unvaccinated would use it to show they are the star-bellied sneetches of this age.

The other idea advanced in the story is the claim that the people who did not want the vaccine are now pushing “Russian disinformation” about the war. The whole disinformation meme has two aspects for the hive-minded. One is the moral claim, but the other is ignorance. You see, those who are not repeating the latest talking points from the hive leaders are stupid and ignorant, which is why they succumb to the  disinformation campaigns from the current devils.

Again, the poll and the media coverage have that just-so-story feel that is popular with the far-left, so skepticism is the right position here. The polling companies are extremely cynical, as befits people who make a living serving sociopaths. They are perfectly willing and able to feed nonsense to the true believers, because that is how they make a lot of money. The customer is always right and their customers are the weird identity cult that has gripped the managerial class. Here is an example.

“I saw it almost immediately, within days of the invasion, people supporting it and some quite stridently,” said Timothy Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta who has studied the rise and spread of conspiracy theories. “It was pro-Russia, pro-Putin, it was the same kind of dogmatic language you heard from the anti-vaxxers about the alleged harms associated with vaccines. And it was almost immediate and it was from the same crowd.”

This is a guy who rushed to get the Ukraine lapel pin and immediately started saying “Keev” instead of “Kiev” while not being able to locate Ukraine on a map. One day, normal people are seeing their favorite news presenters discussing the latest pop stars and the next day those news presenters are part of a chorus singing the praises of a place called Ukraine. What we have seen from the managerial class over Ukraine is the definition of dogmatic.

Of course, this is that lack of self-awareness we expect from the Left. People engage in left-wing politics for the same reason they join UFO cults. They hate themselves so they look to swap their hated sense of self for the identity of a group. The primary driver is self-loathing. In the case of the managerial class, the perceived status that is awarded to the believer is an important bonus. The true believer loses herself in the identity of the group and gets likes from higher status people.

There is another factor to the appeal of this stuff. People attracted to left-wing politics tend to have disorderly minds and the simplicity of left-wing political framing provides needed structure. It is why it is not unusual to see a highly-credentialed left-wing person who is useless independently. They took to the structure of school, because they needed it. They did not learn anything they could apply on their own, because that was never the point of education for them.

Now as far as the unvaccinated, the unclean and the pro-Putin stuff, this is a lot like other bogeymen that have haunted the Left. Few people in the West are genuinely pro-Putin or pro-Russian with regards to the war in Ukraine. There are those prudently skeptical of the chanting from the usual suspects and those opposed to getting involved in the war. Some on-line are mocking the dogmatism of the Left with over-the-top, cartoonish Russia support.

This is reflected in the poll. Seventy percent of the unvaccinated were honest enough to say they do not have an opinion on Ukraine. Only five percent of the true believers offered no opinion. These are the same people who thought ornamental face gear scared away Covid spirits. They still think closing bars and restaurants magically prevents Covid. They are the people who believe what they are told and faithfully point and hiss at those who are not easily convinced.

Note that the poll compares the self-described unvaccinated with those who are maximally vaccinated. The fact that they left out the reluctantly vaccinated and the compulsory vaccinated is telling. Most likely those results did not fit the narrative the poll is intended to support. Most people took the vaccine out of necessity, their doctor recommended it or they hoped it would put the charade to an end. The genuinely enthusiastic for vaccines are a small subset of the population.

The reaction by the Left to the war in Ukraine is another reminder that it is impossible to constructively engage with true believers. Deeply religious people can usually understand why you do not share their faith. They are faithful, but they are not unaware of themselves. The Left is a different breed of believer. They do no seek salvation from the world. They seek salvation from themselves. This is why they obsess over the latest enemies of their cause. That is their salvation.


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tuco22
tuco22
2 years ago

It’s the necessary lull, the stupor, if you will, before the destruction.

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
2 years ago

I’m not too convinced that lack of self-awareness is the relevant factor in defining the hive mind, even if there’s some correlation.

I would trace the causation back thus: hive mind – insecurity – emotionality – feminisation of society.

It’s clear enough that the right thinks with their intellect, the left thinks with their emotions (that may be the entire definition of left and right in today’s world).
The ineluctable corollary of emotion is insecurity, and the hive mind is a response to that. I call it Meekism, to connote Marxism, to which it bears some relation.

SoTexGuy
SoTexGuy
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
2 years ago

Good points.. yet it seems to me left or right (if those have meaning) people mostly think with their stomachs! It’s of note that the very word ‘Aristocracy’, meaning government by the best has taken on a negative connotation in America especially. In fact we live in a Kakistocracy or government by the worst. Cheers.

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Whiskey
2 years ago

I will add that the treatment of “Judge” whatever Jackson, and her very sympathetic sentences for child pr0n and her anti-White hate hate hate, was very interesting. Even slimy creatures like Cruz and Rubio got in on the act, reading back her words of anti-White hate and light sentences (a few months) for child pr0n. My sense is she’s going nowhere, and Brandon has the stink of failure. I would not be surprised to see the party dump him, force a resignation and install Harris with Hillary! as VP. With Hillary of course really running things and competing with Harris… Read more »

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

I disagree, unfortunately. They’re desperate to get a POC into the supreme court, and a female one at that, in anticipation of all those lawsuits coming over the Brandon regime’s anti-white racist policies. Or maybe not. But in any case, I think they’ll move heaven and earth to get a POC into the court.

Whiskey
2 years ago

OT, Z-man was spot on regarding have a Regency in the White House. And also the habit of the Deep State defying Presidents will only cause trouble. State under Blinken has sanctioned senior Chinese officials close to Xi and blasted China/Xi for: Tibet, the Uighurs, and Hong Kong while DEMANDING they condemn Russia and abide by sanctions. It was remarkable, considering Joint Chiefs Head Gen Milley believes he works for Xi Xinping. State had previously tried to get Polish MiGs into Ukraine and a No Fly Zone and Milley/Austin squashed it. Now everyone senses that with the official Pravda NYT… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

“The problem with Hive Mind is that such maneuvering happens under concealment, not even the most powerful players can stop manifestly stupid things from happening.”

Bewitched, bothered, and bewildered, the good people of the world wait for the “most powerful players” to step in and end this clustershuck.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

“cannot fight a two-front war in an era of high inflation”

A destroyed economy and starving people would help the cloud people recruit desperate people for a war.

But, if I was them, I’d be afraid to try to recruit for a war because there is a good chance that too many people would just say no thanks. Then their jig is up. Their better strategy is leave-behinds and agitators in Ukraine and other borderland provinces of the Russian federation.

Whiskey
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

Machiavelli advised of the folly of making people poor, not just killing them, in the Prince. A nation in the making of what, 100 million people more or less made poor? That they would not have a natural and engaging revolt against charisma-deficient managers and technocrats? A people moreover armed heavily in just such anticipation, and used to hating authority. As for Ukraine, I was referring to the larger struggle against Russia/China and the economic and military measures needed to keep Cold War II from being a repeat of Afghanistan compressed into a few years for GloboHomo. They can fight… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Otherwise you get Italy in WWII. Notable for surrender and desertion. See also, France.”

Italians and Frenchmen love life too much to die for some bullshit ‘isms.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Whiskey
2 years ago

Thanks.

They sort of have been doing a old war with both whites and Russia. Which has much overlap. Anecdotally, there’s a lot of Trump-style white men kinda liking Russia these days.

It’s an odd thing, they had it really good here; abdomen full from Americans blood. Your point is strong, they shouldn’t be impoverishing us, but it’s happening. I guess they see our men being made weak faster than we go broke.

I guess they want to grab Russia. But they seem to be pushing Russia into China with maybe the hope capitalizing via China.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

I’ve also noticed in person that there is a fairly positive correlation between having taken the jab and being pro-Ukraine. But it seems the pro-Ukraine people think that those who disagree with them have come to our conclusions by reverse psychology, just to be against their position. This is hogwash of course but probably a result of people tending to assume others work psychologically like they do themselves. There is a lot to be against with Putin. But the governing principles of the West have become so ugly and despicable that he looks rather sane by comparison. And most of… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“And most of all, if Russia comes apart in Ukraine … .” That is not going to happen. What I’m afraid of is that the (((neocons))) are going to force Russia into a wider war. Not a proxy war, either, but a direct confrontation between Russia and China on one side and NATO on the other. And if that is *not* what they want, then they are going about things in entirely the wrong way. (((They))) have already forced the Russians to announce that they are going to plug the holes in the border between Poland and the Ukraine, which… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Another reason they are so freaked out about Ukraine is that it appears it really was being used as a testbed for the WEF’s Great Reset digital concentration camp hell on Earth:

https://rairfoundation.com/warning-ukraine-is-the-great-reset-laboratory-of-the-global-tech-elite/

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

That is interesting. I believe WEF is either the heart of Globohomo or just one step down. To have WEF affiliations should bar you from citizenship, never mind public office. After we win, it should be a criminal offense with hard ‘sanctions’.

It is also possible the Russians might catch people who can tell interesting stories about ‘Big Guy’ and other DC characters.

VwlodomirrDisneylenskyy
VwlodomirrDisneylenskyy
2 years ago

Psycho-analyzing liberals isn’t one of the more edifying or profitable pastimes IMO. They are products of their time and what people everywhere at every time want is to be popular and accepted. Certified “conservative” ideology usually isn’t too popular in its raw form (quickly devolving into a mirrored indie-scenester thing once they pride themselves on being contrary/unpopular). This points up the problem with Trump, in that he only played the hits. The man may still have a core belief “system” somewhere but wasn’t pursuing any deep counter-liberal strategy. Mostly he was having fun and grabbing that proverbial $20 bill laying… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
2 years ago

There a lots of self-hating freaks (bioleninism) out there, but self-hatred isn’t the whole thing.

The thing about not having self-awareness is that IT WORKS.

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

Ok, so what are we going to call these jackoffs – besides insane, idiots, morons, dumbf****? Hey, maybe Kovkranians?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

It’s the punk scene of my childhood and adolescence, with all of the posing, pretense, militance, nerdiness, attempts to shock. Just really vapid and mediocre— and yes, self-loathing. Never grew up, never built confidence, but somehow got shuffled into authority, apparently. WTF.

Alex
Alex
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Never thought about it this way but 100%. Lived through the same time and see it the same way now.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alex
2 years ago

Neither did I until today. Went down a wikipedia rabbit hole, ended up reading about riot grrrls, and it all suddenly made sense lol.

RoBG
RoBG
2 years ago

Last week a guy on the Twitters was joking that there must be some neurotoxin in the outlandishly colored hair dyes, and that the piercing hardware is undoubtedly fashioned from heavy metals.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

Irony of ironies, but PETA actually did something useful and discovered that the NIH spent $50 million to terrorize monkeys by using acid to dissolve the part of their brain that moderates fear and exposing them to images of spiders: https://investigations.peta.org/nih-monkey-torture/campaign-updates/ PETA made itself so useful they actually went to the head researcher’s home to let her know that people were on to her experiments, as seen at the link. Okay, so good for PETA (for once) and bad for the NIH. Well, what if they’ve already discovered a chemical or compound that affects the fear-moderating portion of the human… Read more »

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Wasn’t this the plot of Batman Begins 15 years ago, where they were putting that neurotoxin in the water in an attempt to drive everyone mad?

I liked it more when I was younger and naïve and watching it as opposed to living it.

whatever2020
whatever2020
Member
2 years ago

Hive-minded psychotic true believer NPCs: Grist for the globohomo mill, mindless drone societal soldiers for the Globohomo Empire. However many of them there are, even if in truth a small minority, there are enough of them that the entire USSA and all of the “westernized” countries are now through-and-through sick as they are. We all know how intense, as well as pervasive, the extent of the sickness is at present. Sucks.

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

Leftists lack insight. Mentally ill people also lack insight.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

Well, at least they have that in common but essentially leftists aren’t mentally ill. They’re plain evil.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 years ago

“The reaction by the Left to the war in Ukraine is another reminder that it is impossible to constructively engage with true believers. Deeply religious people can usually understand why you do not share their faith” This is a thing that is both true and untrue. Leftists are religious fanatics and regurgitate psychotic nonsense to affirm their piety. But…they don’t have anything that is actually a “faith,” a belief system, if you will. If Zelensky comes out tomorrow and announces a peace agreement and lashes into the Biden Administration, the Church of Left immediately will demonize and cast him into… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Dobson: “But…[the Left] don’t have anything that is actually a “faith,” a belief system, if you will. If Zelensky comes out tomorrow and announces a peace agreement and lashes into the Biden Administration, the Church of Left immediately will demonize and cast him into the nether reaches of Hell.”

The Left does have a belief system. If Zelensky does what you said, he will have betrayed the Left’s agenda, so of course they would turn on him. Which would show just how committed they are to their belief system.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

There was what I thought a solid reason for the distinction made between cynics and True Believers.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
2 years ago

Hmmmmmmm. I grew up in the hive, and wonder if you may not be trying to over-simplify, Z? While that is undoubtedly true for a large majority of them that actually loathe themselves… there is a healthy minority of them for whom self loathing isn’t a problem at all. I’m thinking of Dave Rubin, his husband and his fans, recently high fiving each other on his acquisition of children. Those folks are exactly as they appear: pleased as punch with themselves and tickled pink. I used to think Conservative Inc. was just old Yesterday men who couldn’t transition to the… Read more »

CFOMally
CFOMally
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

He has a partner not a husband. I’m pretty sure deep down, he knows he’s not normal, and hates himself for it.

Frip
Member
Reply to  CFOMally
2 years ago

@CFO. Let’s hope that no one hates himself for something he can’t help.

CFOMally
CFOMally
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

He hates himself for acting on the impulse. Everybody’s got them, but most of us control ourselves. Most men would like to impregnate every woman under 30 they see because we are born that way, but they don’t act on it. Its what separates us from the animals, or used too.

Pete
Pete
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

He could stop sucking cock at any time if he wanted to.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

I made reference to the GAE being a pirate empire the other day.

Welp, the world-famed, august deliberative body of the US is taking steps to legitimize this practice (enshrined in the Constitution) by reviving the issuance of Letters of Marque and Reprisal against certain Russian citizens. I shit thee not, friends.

https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/us-to-bring-back-pirates-to-seize-russian-yachts-34751/

Should be interesting to see where this goes; state-sanctioned piracy, hmm.

Happydaysarehereagain
Happydaysarehereagain
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

There is a DTIC paper on the subject, dated 2012:

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA590294.pdf

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

” … the issuance of Letters of Marque and Reprisal against certain Russian citizens.”

So the (((neocons))) WANT war with Russia. No getting around it. Not after this.

Thanks for that info. I didn’t know it.

I’m wondering whether Putin will activate some of his long-standing “assets” in various countries such that we could soon see targeted assassinations.

I don’t see how he can avoid it at this point.

After all, the word “sanction” does have another meaning.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

It does seem to me that parts of the US government are trying to escalate this and repeatedly provoke Russia. To any sane person who knows the pertinent facts, this is complete madness that could get many millions killed. So we are left with that they are either mad. Or they are playing an entirely different game. Possibly one that involves well stocked shelters and bunkers in the far reaches of the Southern Hemisphere. But something does not add up; the US gov is not trying to calm down an incredibly dangerous crisis that could go nuclear in the worst… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“To any sane person who knows the pertinent facts, this is complete madness that could get many millions killed.” That’s almost certainly what the “vaccines” are for. Maybe a nuclear exchange would suit their purposes better in some way. “But something does not add up; the US gov is not trying to calm down an incredibly dangerous crisis that could go nuclear in the worst possible way.” Do you remember the Deagle dot com website that was up in the Fall and early winter of 2020? It was a country-by-country projection of population estimates for 2025. AINO’s population is projected… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I doubt the technology is there yet to target subpopulations within Caucasians, such as Slavs or Anglo-Saxons. But these people are definitely capable of anything. I am personally agnostic religiously but even I have to reach for words like ‘Satanic’ about our overlords sometimes.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

Its legal but everyone stopped doing it because it creates chaos and disorder. Not that the loons that “run” AINO care

However a dying empire will do anything however shabby to stay on another day.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

“…you can usually predict with a fair degree of certainty what their beliefs will be on other topics”

Ezzackly, that’s why I started thinking about camps of unrelated info-bits.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Woopsie
Citizen & Bill, below

Horace
Horace
2 years ago

“They hate themselves so they look to swap their hated sense of self for the identity of a group.” The observation that we didn’t used to have a huge swath of the population that hated themselves leads naturally to the question of how this came to be. Culture is systematized behavior. Personal identity or sense of self is a manifestation of culture. Identity formation is a process with multiple coupled inputs including mass media, religious training, family interactions, and formal education. The cultures of Western peoples, especially Americans, have been degraded and replaced by enemies who have seized control over… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

i think the problem is more fundamental than that. people at every level of society see in great detail, how people at the top (or at least above them) live. and that breeds wide spread envy and discontent.

couple that with having large numbers of people from different cultures vying for dominance, and the result is a melange of societal failure. but the problem is solving itself, in a fashion, with the current corrupt non-functioning system collapsing around the ears of biden and co.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Forgot to mention that this morning I saw a headline RUSSIAN ATTACK KILLS HOLLANDAISE SAUCE SURVIVER . thought to myself gen1, gen2, or gen3 ? Like shooting fish in a barrel, they will believe anything and print everything.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

Hahahaha
1 month away from HIS SECRET PLAN TO KILL THEM ALL

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Well then I actually do have agreement with those on the left,
They loath them selves,
I loath them.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

I had a good friend who a year or two ago would have benefited greatly from this post. I thought about forwarding it to them, I miss the friendship we had for over 15 years. But after thinking about it some more, I realized it’s no use. It would mean looking into that mirror. I don’t think they even clean the mirror anymore. Oh well. Good one Z. As usual

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

Your “friend” is an NPC. Grieve for him, then move on.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

You can’t help them. I gave up trying to get them to see. They never will. It’s far too humiliating to face the fact that you were wrong about everything. They’re a lost cause.

You: “The sun is very hot.”
Them: “no it isn’t! Racist!”

What makes me sad is how cold it has made me become. I’ve built up such a hatred for these people now that at times I barely recognize myself anymore. Truly sad.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

“I’ve built up such a hatred for these people now that at times I barely recognize myself anymore. Truly sad.” That’s harming you, and that’s bad for *all* of us. Try emotional detachment. Look at things through the prism of centuries and shrug it all off by realizing that things are cyclical and that we are going through a collapse cycle. Distance yourself emotionally. Pretend that you are a visitor from another galaxy and that you don’t have to stay here. Keep in mind that it’s all coming to an end. Something. Anything. But don’t let those people harm you.… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
2 years ago

The only thing I disagree with in this column is the notion that Leftists hate themselves. It strikes me as highly unlikely that people who consider themselves superior to everybody else, and who, in Z’s parlance, view themselves as heroes in a great struggle, would hate themselves. In point of fact solipsism is a far more common trait among Leftists than self-loathing. PS–There are two exceptions: First, Leftists who conspicuously disfigure themselves with tattoos, piercings and bizarre hair colors and styles, are indeed doubling down on their self-hatred by embracing and amplifying their ugliness. Second, I believe sexual deviants–almost all… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

I very much agree that “hating themselves” is a jarring note.
Not sure what it is.

Not in my nature to call others stupid, but its not in my nature to attack, either. We’ve got dickheads leading a parade of some kind.

Death, I say! Death to dickheads!
Who’s with me!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

i think “hate themselves” is a term of art, to a certain degree. progs are driven by envy that stems from a lifetime of non-accomplishment. coupled with the realization they are physically unattractive; which super charges their envy. creation takes talent, destruction only takes a lit match. they hate those better than themselves for the feeling of inferiority those betters engender in the progs. if they destroy their betters, they will ipso facto feel better about themselves.

Sand Wasp
Sand Wasp
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

It’s like when the little hat people say they are ashamed of white people and their own whiteness

They don’t hate themselves.
They don’t even see themselves as being white

Hating one’s own group can be a sneaky way of attacking others in that group. They usually have some internal rationale of absolving themselves.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Sand Wasp
2 years ago

The Finkels who hate the white race usually don’t consider themselves white. I know a female rabbi who, when apprised of a new ADL directive to destroy the structures of whiteness in society, or some such tommyrot, rushed to assure her flock that they need not worry because Jews are PoC.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

” … rushed to assure her flock that they need not worry because Jews are PoC.”

Dear God.

Stranger than fiction.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

In this context, I would define self-hatred as the need to feel superior to others, which for whatever reason, liberals have in spades. People with a healthy sense of self do not need to feel superior.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

I agree with you on a majority of your points, however I do take exception to the fact that only the physically repulsive/sexual deviants are self-loathing. I made mention of a friend of mine here, who because of the Kung-Flu voluntarily shut herself in her house for almost ten months. The last few arguments we had over things in the headlines had her constantly interrupting me/repeating the same things over and over again. After several minutes of this I told her, “You know you keep interrupting me not because you’re trying to convince me of your point of view, but… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

Where is the self-loathing in this, Steve? Neurosis, I see in spades, but I’m not seeing where she necessarily hates herself.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

I left out a few things; the biggest being she not only does not take care of herself physically, she won’t do anything for her appearance either e.g. chain smoking, no haircuts/styling her hair, dirty fingernails, dirty clothes. I was always taught that people who exhibit these traits are self/loathing, have a very poor self-image.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

” … she won’t do anything for her appearance either e.g. chain smoking, no haircuts/styling her hair, dirty fingernails, dirty clothes.”

That sounds like clinical depression.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

That certainly indicates a lack of self-respect, or perhaps, as TIP mentions, depression.

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

Yes, they’ve been given a new definition of “democracy” and anyone not on board with that new definition is an enemy of democracy. And yes, they’re just waiting for that signal to round us all up and put us up against a wall and shoot us. They already have the waste disposal units, several thousand per state.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Narcissists hate themselves. Psychopaths don’t hate themselves. Within the hive, the elite portion is going to be dominated by the psychopaths who will simply say whatever is to their advantage. If the Current Thing is Russia bad then they say “Russia bad, buy my book”. These are people without conscience who will say and do anything that increases their personal power. The followers and non-elite portion is where all the narcissists are. Narcissists are completely consumed by their feeling of inferiority and the idea that everyone is looking at them and judging them to be inferior, which leads them to… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Reading this one made me break out into a big sh*t-eating grin. I dunno why, but this is great comedy, you just have to smile. Most interesting is the exploration of the social mechanism, signaling, as an echo of individual identity. Psychology pays far too much attention to the individual alone. I don’t go with vague woo-woo such as “madness of crowds”, “mass psychosis”, or “pathological altruism”, although we are leaky radios on broadcast spectra. I think we’re seeing fat tails of the instinct of cooperation, mostly. That bit about structure? So important. Ritual is a quick shorthand, much like… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Z – you mentioned that the left has disordered minds. What do you think explains guys like Jonathan haidt who seems to be a smart/rational guy despite being a man of the left. Is he an outlier?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Natural science is the only science. Everything else is either engineering or ‘social science’. Social science is erroneous. It’s an art and ought to be practiced as such imo.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Anything that employs the scientific method gets a pass, apparently. “Psychology uses the scientific method, so it’s a science.” That’s what I was told when questioning Notre Dame’s tuition office over having to pay “lab fees” for a 2 or 300 level psych class my son had to take.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

I’m not sure it’s accurate to characterize Haidt as a man of the left. My sense is that as his research has progressed, he’s developed an appreciation for the virtues of conservatism.

He strikes me as a rare example of an academic whose mind remains open. He hasn’t hesitated to come out against the woke hive mind.

https://legallysociable.com/2016/02/05/haidt-argues-anthro-and-soc-are-the-worst-academic-monocultures/

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Agree with Bill. Haidt is trying to swim to the surface, while still speaking to his people. They’re the ones that matter most, to him.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Haidt’s a deeply deluded sub-midwit. When he pretends to quantify moral/psychological phenomena, he doesn’t know he’s pretending. Read the surveys that are the “rational” cornerstone of his work. They’re stupid beyond belief. Astrologers in circus swami costumes are greater scientists.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
2 years ago

Haidt comes off like a centrist who aims to challenge some of the popular dogmas of the intelligentsia — yet without excessively jeopardizing his own standing in the academy. A bit like Jordan Peterson. Both fellows look remarkably courageous, but that’s largely because they operate in an arena dominated by cowardly pipsqueaks. Anyone who exhibits an ounce of independent thought appears heroic in such an environment.

Mountain Rat
Mountain Rat
2 years ago

Now I have something to agree with the lefties about. I loathe them as much as they loathe themselves. Common ground for once.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Mountain Rat
2 years ago

Exactly. Their self hatred is justified &
rightfully so. Strange They can get that one thing right but nothing else.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

While I generally agree, I’d say that a fair amount of the managerial class dives into all of this less out of self-hatred and more out fear or a desire to be seen as good. Of course, I live in Northern Virginia so I’m surrounded by people who’s entire life (career, friends, etc.) is based on being a good member of the hive. These are upper-middle class folk who are terrified of losing that status. They believe in the latest fad because to reject it could spell disaster for them and their family. The ones that really get into this… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

In a world of mandatory political correctness enforced by cancel culture, it is often impossible to gauge what people really think and believe.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Yeah, I know a fair amount of guys who have/need security clearance for their job. They’re terrified to say anything about any topic outside of sports and general life. What’s funny is that they’re terrified to even agree with the hive because they might not agree in the right way or the rules might change down the road. Best to say nothing. What’s surprised me is the couple of military and ex-military guys. These aren’t (or, at least, weren’t) desk jockeys. They were in the game, so to speak. Not sure about all issues, but they seem to be truly… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I know an ex-mil field engineer in his early 50s that is perfectly willing to live in a tent in Uzbekistan on a field exercise with their troops for a couple weeks. He comes home to a suburban house totally wired with Alexa surveillance devices to turn on lightbulbs in every room, even the garage and basement. The rest of his paychecks go to pay his daughter’s tuition for four years of brainwashing at one of the most libbed out and pozzed up colleges in the US. Unsurprisingly, she deeply resents her father’s general nature. He sees the college problem… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Wild Geese: Interesting how the willingness and courage to take physical discomfort and risks does not seem to equate to the willingness to risk challenging the social or political status quo. This seems to apply equally to ‘elite’ athletes even in extreme sports. They’re willing to challenge assumptions and strident safety warnings physically, but mentally they’re hive members in good standing. My late father-in-law took his share of discomfort and risks throughout his military career, although politically he was a moderate conservative (very probably a function of his age). My older son took whatever risks or challenges he could during… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

well, by definition, the military doesn’t recruit “free thinkers” does it?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

“He sees the college problem but won’t move to do anything against his princess.”

When his daughter turns on him like the viper that he helped her to become, and he can’t figure out why, I shall laugh him to scorn. He deserves whatever he gets.

And it probably won’t be nearly bad enough for him

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Sometimes you have to play a certain role in order to survive in the environment you’re in. And if you’re adept at playing that role, no one will be able to tell that you don’t actually believe the words your role requires. Some years back I worked at a daytime drop-in homeless shelter run by a group of Christian religious fanatics. They wouldn’t hire anyone who believed otherwise. After years of studying the Bible and trying to believe in the Christian narrative, I had gotten to the point in my spiritual journey where I simply couldn’t believe it anymore. I… Read more »

Member
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

I’m reminded of a book about daily life in Stalin’s Soviet state. It was called “The Whisperers” because you could only do that, among maybe one or two people, even hiding your true beliefs from your children, to simply stay alive.
Modern AINO is a society of whisperers.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

you probably weren’t the only chameleon in that place 🙂

tuco22 tuco2
tuco22 tuco2
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Sometimes I wonder about that with some of our people in government. Are they just parroting the party line for their jobs or are they true believers? I rather think a large portion of them are true believers.

The real Bill
The real Bill
2 years ago

Good insight: for most Lefties, their opinions are not mere beliefs, but function as an integral part of their identity. They hold that particular set of beliefs— not because they’ve examined all sides of the relevant issues, and concluded that the evidence supports them— but rather, because the identity they’ve adopted mandates what one must believe and not believe. It’s a complete package: you can’t be a true-blue Prog unless you accept the entire narrative. It also makes sense that such people would tend to be “true believers”, who hold their beliefs with an intensity and an emotional fervor not… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“Leftists seeking to establish a sense of self and organize their disorderly minds, by assuming a premade identity— makes a lot of sense.” Agreed. Self-hatred and self-loathing seem (to me) to assign to those people more self-awareness than I have ever observed in them. The people we are talking about are empty inside. Their lives are pointless and meaningless. They are too rich, too secure, too well-fed, and thy have WAY too much time on their hands. This is frequently talked about in here. They are very insecure, by which I mean that the have no confidence in themselves b/c… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Or maybe it’s ‘All of the above’: Person A doesn’t really know what he believes about many complicated issues…. In addition, what he’s been taught includes some beliefs which simply aren’t true: “All human groups are equally endowed”. So when he does try to make sense of things, he’s handicapped by the fact that some of the pieces he’s trying to fit into the puzzle are wrong and because of that will never fit. So he’s confused…. He’s not sure what he believes, or who he is. And maybe he sees his confusion and uncertainty as a weakness, and loathes… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Bill, quite so. It also takes a superior mind to “put the pieces together” while discarding those pieces that do not fit. Hence we have “sheep” and will always have sheep in any society.

The question in my mind is why there are seemingly so many sheep in today’s society. I can’t imagine we had so many in eras past, or that this country could have been built upon such a foundation. Our Founders were either superior Shepard’s or something has produced such people in abundance.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Yeah: does it have to do with the fact that people today don’t face the challenges our ancestors did; and it’s overcoming challenges which forges an effective person?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“In addition, what he’s been taught includes some beliefs which simply aren’t true: “All human groups are equally endowed”. So when he does try to make sense of things, he’s handicapped … .” OK, I’ll buy that, and add here that the beliefs he has been taught came in a kind of “package deal,” the other component being a kind of tabu against thinking at *all* about the beliefs he has been fed. They are presented as unquestionable. Not merely unquestionable, but as a kind of moral tape measure by which he can measure people who don’t share the unrealistic… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

I agree with your points, but to your line about how topics cluster, I would add a point. Do these topics cluster because they are inherently related, or do they cluster because the media makes the connection as part of the adopted identity? I term most Americans thinking today as schizophrenic, for they follow the logic of someone with disassociation, e.g. The CIA is watching me because trees are green and you are smoking a cigarette. What is missing is any type of reasonable thread between these points, and this is what makes engaging with them so frustrating – the… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

Sometimes beliefs cluster because they make up related aspects of a coherent world view. An accurate world view— one which coincides with reality— helps you make sense of the world: helps you recognize the patterns that are there to be noticed if you know what to look for and where to look. Whereas a faulty world view— one which leads you to believe things which don’t accord with reality, and to expect to find things which aren’t in fact there— will inevitably confuse you. You won’t be able to recognize the patterns, because your flawed expectations will have you looking… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

I guess my point, to begin before I, like Zeppelin, rambled on, is that their world view is not a natural cluster. In fact, it is often ironic. There is no natural correlation between gun control and immigration, except for a negative relation. If the issue is “safety,” coherently you should want to regulate guns and immigrations (negating the debatable aspect of guns as leading to unsafe scenarios).

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

As I see it, my belief in gun rights and strict control of immigration both derive from a unitary (and realistic) world view: one which recognizes that not all people are good, that not all people make good neighbors, and that some people intend to do me harm.

By contrast, I see belief in gun control and lax immigration enforcement as arising from a faulty world view: one which sees people as essentially good and essentially harmless, which makes no distinction between various groups, and which imagines that a neighborhood of Somalis is no different than a neighborhood of Swedes.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

The real Bill: I agree with you. That is an informed, logical connection. My point is the mindless masses that hold often conflicting views that they change like Covid masks. Liberals can have a logic as well, like Haidt referenced above, even though I do not agree with many of his points – I respect him because I perceive persistent, thoughtful beliefs. My point is about the ‘useful idiots.’ Topics can have a cluster, but for too many, the cluster is given to them, not connections they make themselves.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

They get em when they’re young, impressionable, and mindfuck em real good. Talmudvision and Kosherwood reinforce the narrative…next thing you know, 2+2=5. Snow is black. The Termites have patience, chewing up the wood for thousands of years.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

“I term most Americans thinking today as schizophrenic, … .”

You musta been absent the day we determined that they are a certain *kind* of schizophrenic: “hebephrenic.”

“The hebephrenic or disorganized subtype of schizophrenia is typified by shallow and inappropriate emotional responses, foolish or bizarre behaviour, false beliefs (delusions), and false perceptions (hallucinations). The catatonic subtype is characterized by striking motor behaviour.”

Oh, yeah, and we also learned that “hebephrenic” is pronounced “keeve.”

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Oh, yeah, and we also learned that they often have names like “Ocasio-Cortez” and “Pelosi” and “Maxine Waters.”

Just listen to anything uttered by people who have such names and you will see hebephrenia sloshing out of their pin-heads and mussing up the furniture and turning the floor into a kind of toxic waste dump.

Somebody oughtta call the EPA.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

“These spasms last for a few seconds … .”

A friend of mine says people don’t *think* anymore; that they just have what she calls “bursts of consciousness.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

I see it as the oldest language- emotion- in the hoots and calls of monkeys in their Trees. Are you surrounded by friendly monkeys? Or by those bad monkeys from that other tree? A statement loaded with emotive impact isn’t neutral “information”; it is a hoot announcing position, and loyalties. Status is determined by connection, by how close one is to the alpha, the flagpole. This why “information” (statements) seem to appear in camps of unrelated beliefs. Observe one’s emotional reaction: “Connect the red wire to post A.” Nothing. No screeching here, in Brazil, or Burma, or Binghampton. Now Right:… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

” … the hoots and calls of monkeys in their Trees.”

LOL! I wish I had thought of that!

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Human nature.
Degenerates, their ideas/ delusions
Self hatred can only result in misery of individuals & destruction of society.
Thinking of the fact that we are all aboard the sinking ship with too few of us manning pumps while they are chopping away at the keel.
Yes that sets me to screeching like the simple primate that I am.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

in my opinion, prog cadres are just socially ambitious normies. or lazy normies that don’t want to do the 9-to-5 jive to earn their daily bread. wish zman would do a deep dive on the normie taxonomy 🙁

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Definitely LAZY
That constantly deride boot straps, whining systemic racism, patriarchy adinfinitum.
Truth they are lazy & want everything easy
Too cowardly to take any risk whatsoever.
It’s all so tiresome

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

If we’re going to be realists, we have to begin by admitting that no one as an individual is going to make the Crazy stop. The hurricane is coming ashore and running to beach and shaking your fist at it in anger is not going to make it go away. And the hurricane is no trivial matter. If you don’t take it seriously, it will likely maim you or kill you. And burying your head in the sand won’t stop it, nor is there a sidelines to stand behind in the hope that it passes you by unscathed. Ukraine is… Read more »

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

https://youtu.be/8lD5bfqzr6E always refreshing…

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

thing is, the US is a *continent*. and there are no continent scaled hurricanes, literal or metaphorical. the cities are well along in the process of going feral, and will be depopulated over time. but not every place is pozzed and doomed. personally, i would align myself as much as possible with the latino community; it is as close to a safe harbor as exists today. maybe i am overly cynical, but it really seems that the vast majority of whites are tertiary normies; beyond redemption or salvation. best avoided and treated as a tappable resource should the SHTF in… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Carlos Von Hungisto., get a leaf blower so you fit in.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

” … and internet propaganda is not got to stop you from bleeding out … .”

“They” will have shut down internet access by that time. It’s almost unbelievable that they haven’t don’t it yet.

Screwtape
Screwtape
2 years ago

True. I’ve seen it as more of a fear and loathing. They hate that their entire identity and purpose in life floats in a fragile ether of prog status. And that there are people who look just like them and have a shared history but are low status. A funhouse of mirrors. They want to break them all. Thats the impulse toward destruction, bury the evidence of the truth and all its reminders of who they really are. There is a natural anxiety to that. Anxiety being the hindbrains active bullshit radar means deep down they are living a lie… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Occam’s razor states that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex. Simple theories are easier to verify. Simple solutions are easier to execute. I don’t think that “self-loathing” is a very simple explanation. I mean, its only an hyphenated description, but good luck trying to verify it. Again, those with an academic mindset tend to fall back on psychological and sociological terminology to try to describe reality. Psychology and Sociology are not even real sciences. They are Liberal Arts degrees. With the exception of Behaviorism, Psychology is only a step above Astrology. Psychology and Sociology are… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

With all due respect, I have to disagree with your trashing of the field of psychology: while there’s certainly a lot of bullshit generated by psychology— and while psychology isn’t a hard science in the way physics and chemistry are— psychology has generated many genuinely helpful insights about what people are like and what drives them. Human decisions and actions aren’t purely rational, much as we’d like to imagine that’s the case. Psychology gives us the tools to look behind the surface and plumb the depths of human motivation. Self-loathing is a real thing, and does indeed play a profound… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“Psychology gives us the tools to look behind the surface and plumb the depths of human motivation.” Psychology gives you terminology which you then pretend are tools. The only advantage Psychologists have over laymen in “treating” people is that they have enough experience with liars to know a lie when they hear it. Sort of like a cop. “Self-loathing is a real thing, and does indeed play a profound part in the lives of people afflicted with it. It affects their experience and decisions in ways which they themselves are not always aware of.” No one said it wasn’t. But,… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Yeah, I don’t think all Progs are characterized by self-loathing. Even a generalization which is true for most, won’t be true for everyone.

And with all due respect: you really don’t know what you’re talking about re: psychology.

To take one example: the terminology that allows us to differentiate between our conscious and our unconscious minds has proven to be immensely helpful in understanding human experience and behavior.

And I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the concepts you use and take for granted had their origin in psychology.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Yeah, I’m sure you know much better than I, with me only having a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology. You in therapy?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“Human decisions and actions aren’t purely rational, much as we’d like to imagine that’s the case.”

There’s a saying that “Man is not a rational creature; he is a rationalizing creature.”

Wkathman
Wkathman
2 years ago

“The primary driver is self-loathing.” That’s the part I’m not sure of. Among the vast legions at the bottom of the leftist food chain, there is undoubtedly considerable self-loathing. Who could blame those automatons for hating themselves? Nevertheless, the small handful that comprises the leftist elite seems to operate from an extreme superiority complex. They routinely sneer at the hoi polloi of “flyover country.” Their arrogant disdain for Middle American rabble is palpable. I’ve grown skeptical of concepts such as “White guilt.” The types of White people who continually bash their racial kin rarely appear to feel guilty about anything.… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

I pray for the day we could gain control and frog march these people in a line that would rival anything the Canadian truckers produced.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

A line against the wall.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

Heavly loaded refrigerated trucks from all points heading to the Nevada test site.
Unfortunately it’s looking like it might be dissidents as cargo.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Good point, yet I’d wager these are the same sort who gave religion a bad name when it was fashionable to be religious. In the extreme anyhow, being fashionable implies an unstable identity and probably a bit of self loathing imo.

They suck, they only destroy, they know it, and their lives revolve around putting on an act. Best to be totally unattractive to them, even if malleable normie finds it off-putting in the meantime. My unsolicited two cents.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Wkathman,

It seems to me that sometimes the pose people strike is actually a cover-up for their true feelings. The aggression of belligerent people often serves to cover up their fear. And sometimes, to hide it from themselves.

Likewise, sometimes a pose of superiority serves to compensate for a feeling of inferiority. People who are truly confident of their superiority don’t feel a need to flaunt it.

And yeah: expressing “White guilt” is often nothing more than virtue-signalling. Suppressing their knowledge of the actual truth of the situation is part of the not-noticing required of leftists.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

The real Bill: I suspect that you’re mostly right. Those who present themselves as superior often harbor a strong sense of inferiority. What I was getting at is my hunch that those at the bottom of the leftist hierarchy (huge in numbers) do not necessarily possess the same mental profile as those at the top of that hierarchy (small in numbers). It could be that you, Zman, and I are all playing a bit too much at armchair psychologist here. Suffice it to say that something is seriously awry about the temperaments of many progressives — whether that be inferiority,… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

At best they’re predators. If that’s the case, there’s nothing to analyze, just a drive. Still, I don’t think that’s possible without them being something other than human.

I doubt there are more than a handful of true psychopaths out there, plenty of traumatized sociopaths. Rabid dogs to be pitied and shunned if possible, put down if necessary. Too late to stop the spread of rabies, but it can be dealt with. Metaphorically, of course.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

“Armchair psychologist”—yeah, was thinking the same thing. We have as a group derided Sigmund Fraud many times, yet if he read this thread he’d be smiling. 😉

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Wkathman, I suspect part of Progs’ inability to think straight may be due to the fact that they’re starting off believing things which aren’t true. When your basic assumptions are false, there’s no way you’ll be able to see things with a clear eye. If I assume that Blacks as a group are equal in intelligence to Whites as a group, I won’t be able to make sense of the Black-White performance gap. I’ll be forever looking for other explanations: systemic racism, not enough Black teachers, etc. So even super-smart Progs will be handicapped to the extent that they unthinkingly… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Wkathman, oh Zman is definitely right: Self-loathing is the root of all this. It might be hard for you (as an emotionally-healthy, non-NPC) to relate, but if you really want to increase your understanding of what animates the Cloud People, I encourage you to research the origins and causes of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Now almost everything related to the field of Psychology these days is made up nonsense, but there was a period of real research between the sex-obsessed Freud and when the sex-obsessed homosexuals took over the field. The causes of NPD (and the other “cluster b” disorders) go… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mr. Generic
2 years ago

“Worse yet, they never developed the ability to “self-sooth”, so they constantly need external validation in order to distract from the emotional abyss their parents created in them.”

Well-spotted and well-said. That’s a major thing.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mr. Generic
2 years ago

Broken families.
The ‘nephew’ got adopted by his grandparents, my best friends.

He was 4. The screaming rages, throwing things, his feelings of…rage? Grief? Loss?

He couldn’t understand or convey what he felt, only what he knew bone deep:
his parents had abandoned him. Had left him like a dog in a field.

Court order? How the fudge is a four-year-old supposed to understand that?

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

“Court order? How the fudge is a four-year-old supposed to understand that?”

It’s just unutterably sad.

You are right, though. Broken families.

And unbridled and ubiquitous elfishness. The infantile belief that
personal “happiness” is the most important thing in the world.

The whole population has been well trained to expect the impossible.

And the whole population has been *trained* to expect things faster than “instant.” That’s why you get “microwave directions” on a package of
“instant” oatmeal.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

I don’t believe there is such a thing as a superiority complex. All displays of superiority are masks for feelings of inferiority.

Barnard
Barnard
2 years ago

” It is why it is not unusual to see a highly-credentialed left-wing person who is useless independently. They took to the structure of school, because they needed it. They did not learn anything they could apply on their own, because that was never the point of education for them.” These are the people who will get three different graduate degrees in increasingly useless fields. Maybe they get to teach some classes as an adjunct. They never hold a private sector job beyond the service level and want the taxpayers to pay off their $90k in student loans. No sane… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

No “sane” society allows voting rights to anyone sucking off the teat of the State. If that means all Western societies are insane, so be it. But, as John Lennon once sang—imagine. Imagine society being governed by producers, not parasites.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

“If that means all Western societies are insane, so be it.”

That is probably not far off the mark.

bgc
bgc
2 years ago

This is from the same polling company as the referenced paper, revealing their definition of ‘disinformation’: https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2022/02/the-essential-pandemic-reduced-to-one-chart/ Description of disinformation index: For this research, we tested seven separate indicators of disinformation and we have constructed a disinformation index, a 21-point scale that measures how strongly respondents believe these seven pieces of disinformation: COVID-19 was manufactured in a lab; The reported number of COVID-19 deaths is being exaggerated; Vaccine-related deaths are being concealed from the public; Ivermectin is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19; COVID-19 vaccines can cause infertility; COVID-19 vaccines can alter a patient’s DNA; and Whether someone is… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  bgc
2 years ago

So their unexpressed, unexamined assumption is that everything on that list–their list–is that it is *all* disinfo?

Well, there’s their self-unawareness on glorious display.

Is more evidence required?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Their implicit argument is one of “authority” and therefore fallacious—if not simply circular. Since they can not even reason correctly, there is no purpose to paying further attention to their analysis. The above would have served as a test question (What wrong with this reasoning?) in my Intro Logic course.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

The Hive Mind reminds me of a street preacher standing on a busy corner with a Bible raised high in the air. He’s not sure how many passersby are affected by his preaching, but he is absolutely certain that what he is doing is necessary and vital.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

But the Hive Mind isn’t on the street corner.

It’s in charge of every major US institution and power center.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

You’re taking this too literally. Imagine street preachers on every corner in every town every day. What a nuisance. I used to see these guys in a certain large city all the time back in the day. They were usually black.

Rando
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

Well somebody’s gotta tell you reprobates about Jesus. 😉

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Rando
2 years ago

I like Jesus. No problems with him.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

“They were usually black.”

They were usually ignored.

Imagine the country if they had been listened to!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

If that’s sarcasm, then it’s great sarcasm.

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

It’s the necessary lull, the stupor, if you will, before the destruction.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
2 years ago

The street preacher forces no one to do anything. The hive mined leftists put fags in admirals dresses and praise them as women. They hate American nationalism but love Ukrainian nationalists. They see the Nazi units in the Uke army but if we had KKK units they’d freak out.

The hive is deadly to freedom. The preacher is just trying to save souls.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

I can walk away from a street preacher (and when’s the last time anyone actually encountered one anyway).
As for the hive minded leftists – if only I could walk away.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

It’s usually along the lines of, “now don’t you young people do all the things I did when I was young.”

tuco22 tuco2
tuco22 tuco2
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

Yes, they hate American nationalism but love Ukrainian nationalists.

I just saw a headline a couple of days ago decrying “White Christian nationalism” as the latest and greatest threat to our “democracy.”

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

i think more people eagerly got jabbed than you give credit for. other than that, it is noteworthy that the hive mind is now directing its “cells” into harmful and destructive activities. first harmful eating habits (lots of carbs, and veganism), then the jab, and now getting killed in ukraine. right now just the most gullible are going over there to “fight”, but soon enough they will be drafted en mass (or nuked en mass in cities). in other words, the more successful the hive mind is in taking control of society, the more rapid the demise of the hive… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

I’d add oppressing the unclean unjabbed to your list of activities.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

“all in all an inversion of the natural order”

inversion = Satanic

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Baal is considerably more ancient than Satan.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
2 years ago

“Timothy Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta who has studied the rise and spread of conspiracy theories.”

Now why would a chap interested in ‘Health’ Law be looking at ‘spiracy fearies? Hang on, it might not be real health, but ‘public’ health, which in today’s language means ‘mental health’. So: ‘spiracy fearies = unhealthy, so we thus need to be treated for our malady.

It’s all so creepy.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

I can believe the Hive Mind would love to line the theorists up for straight jackets, rubber rooms, electroshock therapy, and full frontal lobotomies, all in service of the greater good.

SidVic
SidVic
2 years ago

I can be more concise. Mask+Vax=sheep. Sheep=Go Ukraine! They cabal running the show control all the informational nodes and they are pushing the buttons hard. Incidentally, Maria Farmer of Epstein fame has been going hard in some recent
interviews with a Addy Adds. I find it useful to review the facts to keep my hatred of these vile people fresh.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SidVic
2 years ago

The cabal also control the mindspace of the Karens. We make fun of the Karens, but I’m convinced they are the critical social nodes in the current configuration of Western society. Think about how many other people you potentially control and influence if you control the mindspace of a single Karen. You’ve probably got her husband, her kids, her siblings, her parents, her grandparents, her friends, her coworkers, her casual social acquaintances, etc. On top of this, the Karens tend to voluntarily self-organize, reinforce, and self-police their own bloc as well as all of the people they are in social… Read more »

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

In a hunter gather tribe, most likely men are out hunting and the woman are gathering close by and doing chores socially about the homestead. In social groups today it the women who do the festivals, organize the church picnic put up the Christmas decorations, do birthday parties, and so forth. .This is in accord with nature biologically. Natural selection seems to reinforce keeping society on the path. The problem is that we were too lazy and allowed a group of outsiders to subvert our people. So they just crept in and took over control of the society. They exchanged… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

Yes it is, and it also doesn’t apply to most married white women. But stereotypes exist. I hope that the sting of white hate serves to wake some of these types up to reality. Sadly I’ve not seen that. Most often doubling down seems to be the response.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

The people that pejorative above applies to are pro-white?

Huh.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Something I’ve increasingly realized over the years is that the more I read and study and learn, the more I find out what I don’t know. Most people don’t know what they don’t know.

This is evident for both the shots (they’re not vaccines) and Russia/Ukraine. For both, most people probably didn’t know much, if anything about the subject. Some decided to research and study the topics, others decided to let the hive tell them what their opinion should be.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

it goes deeper than that (unaware of facts); normies actively resist learning, to the point of anger. they are willfully ignorant.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

karl von hungus: Damn if that ain’t the sad truth!

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Wolf Barney, your experience mimics my own. I’m now quite confident that I know very little objective truth, which is probably why I (and many of us here) don’t just repeat things we hear. No matter how many times we hear it. There are the facts that I can accept: the sky is blue, the trees are green and a net force is required to move objects. These are things we can all verify, and that’s the thing: most information we get we cannot easily verify, so it has to come down to trusting the authority presenting the information (but… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

The worst possible thing is to find yourself in the cloud without the correct opinion. Thats why they are all pinging off each other so hard. It’s the opinion, not the logic behind it. Not just that, but you must always have an opinion. Thats why they are all so anxious. What if the narrative changed while you were in the Hamptons? Something I learned in cloud business long ago, that is both ubiquitous and toxic, is that to utter the words “I don’t know” is to show your belly. Its low status. Nobody pays McKinsey to say that. In… Read more »

David Wright
Member
2 years ago

Channeling Erik Hoffer, always appreciated.

Clayton Barnett
2 years ago

If you’ve not, Z, you should check in at the blog of one of your frequent commentors, Severian. There’s an ongoing discussion of Julian Jaynes and his theory of consciousness and how it might apply to the “woke.”

https://foundingquestions.wordpress.com/

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Clayton Barnett
2 years ago

Thanks for the suggestion.

Good reading.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Clayton Barnett
2 years ago

I tend more toward Jaynes’ theory of bicamerality and how it has been exacerbated by social media.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

It’s mostly the wiring, I say.

The next question is, why that wiring.

(And thanks, Clayton, for the link!)