Thinking About The Possible

A popular setup for the cooking shows is a gameshow format in which the contestants are forced to cook a meal using the wrong ingredients. Maybe they have to compete for ingredients and all of them end up with a partial list of required items. Maybe they are given wacky items and tasked with making a traditional dish. The secret ingredient is aardvark noses and the dish is chicken cacciatore. The entertainment is in watching them solve the puzzle in amusing ways.

The underlying truth of these shows is that a dish is not just the sum of its ingredients or just the skill of the chef. The dishes that are famous in our culture are the combination of ingredients in the right proportions, assembled by people with the skill and cultural understanding to create the dish. A Spanish guy who grew up on paella knows how it is supposed to look and taste. He may be able to get the same effect using ingredients not traditionally used in the dish.

This is the truth of politics. The old line about politics, that it is the art of the possible, depends on the same set of assumptions. To get something passed through a legislature, you have to get a majority. Outside of symbolic items like momentary resolutions, this means finding a compromise that a majority can accept. Put another way, in order to get a bill passed the ingredients for it must exist. Then you need someone to assemble those ingredients into the final bill.

Strangely, when the subject moves up into meta politics and political philosophy, this understanding gets tossed away in favor of the blank sheet approach. It is just assumed that the remnants of today, after the collapse of course, will be easily swept away and a new system can be built from scratch. After the revolution, the winners will get to conjure from nothing a new political system. The facts and events that led to the great starting over are left out of the discussion.

This blank slate mentality infects the Left and Right. For the Left, the glorious future that is free of suffering and exploitation is otherwise undefined. In fact, its lack of specifics is the appeal. They just know they will be able to fish in the morning, hunt in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening and do critical theory at night. In other words, the glorious future can be what the believer wants it to be because the future will be free of all of the things that made the glorious future possible.

For the Right, this blank slate thinking imagines a do-over based on a fictional understanding of the past. The Founders, for example, assembled in Philadelphia to draft the Constitution, carrying loads of virgin parchment. They were going to start from scratch and create what they hoped would be their ideal republic. The American conservative imagines himself going back to that time, with the knowledge of today, to help tidy up the bits that have gone wrong.

Of course, the reality of the founding is something different. The Founders came together like the contestants on those cooking shows. They had a vague idea of what they wanted to make. They knew they had a limited set of ingredients. They also had the experience of the prior effort to create a national government. These were practical men focused on what was possible given the constraints of the age. They were not dreamers and idealist. They were wizened realists.

Left-wing people are incapable of thinking in these terms because what attracts them to the various subcultures on the Left is the desire to escape this fallen world. It is why facts and reason have no effect on their politics. Right-wing people, in contrast, are much more realistic about the human condition. They should be inclined to focus on what is possible, given the ingredients, than they are, which raises the question as to whether there even is a genuine Right.

Putting that aside, if one wants to imagine what comes next for America, the place to start is the ingredient list. Just as the Founders had to think first about what was possible with the ingredients at their disposal, the man of the Right in this age must first think hard about the ingredient list. What sort of civic life will be possible in America given the probable list of ingredients. There is some uncertainty on some of them, like technology, but others are better understood.

For example, there is no avoiding demographics. By the middle of this century, just a generation away, American will be a nonwhite society. That means that the people taking up positions of authority in two decades will have spent their entire lives as a minority in a society made by white people. Whatever civic life is possible will be one where Nick Fuentes and Ocasio-Cortez are typical. That is not a demographic for which the Founders designed the Constitution.

Is it possible to have a society with things like equality before the law when the society is composed of adversarial tribes? Of course, the idea of the individual being the building block is not going to hold up in a world where competing groups fight for the spoils of society. On the other hand, maybe there is a common ground in a fragmented, multiracial society around which to build a politics. What unifying set of understandings or beliefs could emerge in the society of the future?

There is also the possibility that civil society is impossible under the conditions that are shaping up at the moment. Immigration is a good example. America has no border as a practical matter, yet the public seems to be fine with it. Maybe that changes as the reality of this becomes clear to people. There has been some movement in the polling on immigration. On the other hand, the rulers are for open borders so that will be the policy until events force a change at the top.

That brings up the other important ingredient. The starting point for a new politics based in the reality of society is that it can only come after events lead to a replacement of the current elites with a new elite. How that happens will cast a long shadow over those tasked with shaping a new society. The Founders were certainly affected by their experience in the war against England. What will that conflagration look like and how will it impact the people who come after it?

An honest examination of the present trends says that two things are true about current politics and what comes next. One is that there is nothing to be done to arrest the current trends. It does not mean they will continue indefinitely, but that they will run their course to their logical end. The other assumption is that the ingredients available to build a civic society in the future will look nothing like the past. In fact, it is possible that a civil society as we understand it is not going to be possible.

The point of this exercise is that the past is not going to be terribly useful for the people tasked with creating a civil society in the future. Western man will soon find himself in the same situation as those cooking show contestants. Their training and skill at making traditional dishes is often a liability when they are handed bizarre ingredients like aardvark lips and bat testicles. The clean sheet of paper is in their mind, not the canvas on which they will create their masterpiece.

This is the next phase of dissident thinking. The critiques of this age and its causes is nearly complete. What must come next is acceptance that there will be no great restoration after the revolution. Instead, what comes next will start with the available ingredients and the experience of the failure of this age. That is a hard project but whoever shapes the future will first have started out with a plan for a future that lies within the possible, rather than fantasies of the past.


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Wang Wei Lin
Wang Wei Lin
2 years ago

No one will care until the lights go out and the water stops flowing. By then no one will be capable of maintaining utilities or even understand basic engineering. The US will become like Sub-Saharan Africa after the Europeans left.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Lake Mead has dropped low enough to force turbines to shutdown at the Hoover Dam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBaky8IkExY

There are also reports that diesel oil (not DEF) will run out in 8 to 10 weeks because the plants that make the additives are offline, but the sourcing on those is not the best.

George 1
George 1
2 years ago

It looks to me like the most likely outcome here in America is that white people are wiped out. I say that because of the way whites have behaved over the last 80 years or so. Minorites have had multiple generations of hate think toward whites as a steady diet. In much of the country violence against whites is basically a civil right. That will only get massively worse.

I can’t see a circumstance where white people suddenly start looking out for their own interests in numbers that will matter. I hope I am wrong.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
2 years ago

Akshully, the Americans were not one people before the Revolution. They were English and Germans and Quakers and Puritans and Scotch-Irish, etc. One of them was “the bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar.”

What united them was fighting a war against King George.

And I think that after the current regime we will find all the Commoners, especially white and Hispanic and Asian, all on one page. And the tribe of the Commoner is the nation.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Christopher Chantrill
2 years ago

I don’t know how anyone can not see hispanic and asian tribalism.

Racial tribalism is deeper than conservative values.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

It’s in the genes. Evolutionary biology is the source of the tribal instinct and IQ.

Whites are low in tribalism and moderate in IQ. They tend to be more individualistic. Jews are high in both clannishness and IQ. It is that combination of traits that makes them so successful in competing against other ethnic groups. They exploit other ethnic groups insecurities to make war on whites.

Majorian
Majorian
2 years ago

“What must come next is acceptance that there will be no great restoration after the revolution. Instead, what comes next will start with the available ingredients and the experience of the failure of this age.” I heard the much vituperated Richard Spencer coming to a similar conclusion in a podcast about a year ago. His point was that the demographic catastrophe is something that needs to be accepted as inevitable by now. However, he continued, there are countless examples of organized minorities that have held power with a firm grip in their societies. I wish I could provide a link,… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
2 years ago

It’s not Left and Right any more. There are a lot of traditional Lefties (think Glenn Greenwald) who have no home on the Left because the Left has gone insane. There are a lot of traditional Righties (name your favorite RINO) who have thrown their own people in the garbage. The old post Civil War Dem vs. Repub, Left vs. Right, structure is breaking down. You see it in places like that gal in TX who flipped a 100-year Democrat seat. How did she flip it? In her own words, “…because I’m one of them and I’m also standing up… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

“This is about Individualists vs. Collectivists and always has been.”

Individuals always lose against an organized group over time. If your primary commitment is not to going a group against competing groups then you will be picked off with ease.

How many times must this be repeated? When will the curse of Ayn Rand die?

jethro
jethro
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

The iron law of oligarchy.

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Sure individuals get picked off in isolation by a group, but it’s hard in practice to be a collectivist if you are independent minded.
It is choke full of idiots out there, and of narcissists happy to manipulate them. They’ll toss you to the pigs the first hint of logical reasoning they hear. Not very appealing to be group minded at present.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Each of us is an individual. That is a fact of life. And most of what we do in life, we do as individuals. But more importantly, “individualism” isn’t about any particular individual (e.g. any individual can be a collectivist), it’s about self reliance as the primary basis of a life well lived. IOW, being a parasitic leech is not a virtue. Now, to your point. Some people cannot act with courage and bravery unless they have a gang standing behind them. Others have enough self esteem and self confidence to fight whether alone or in concert with others. Which… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

True, and I’ve written exactly that on this blog many times before. Individuals hate this stuff, and actively avoid it, opening the door to the collectivists.

But I’ll also point out that the New York Yankees have had a team model of individual players (and a shit ton of money) winning for a century.

Other teams periodically model this.

Which is why the purge is needed. You have to use your time in the sun to wipe out your enemies.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

hokkoda: “So-called “Hispanics” (largely white people who speak Spanish languages)” There was a 200+ comment thread yesterday, detailing how many of us know – from various experiences in various locations – that Hispanics/Latinos/Mestizos are NOT White people who happen to speak Spanish. Start off with a flawed premise and reach a flawed conclusion. And your constant emphasis on the individual is really a cover for an emphasis on magic principles – “Hard work, God, our community.” Except her community is the Mestizo community, not the heritage American community. Plenty of people put in plenty of hard work over generations to… Read more »

Hokkoda
Hokkoda
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

So, summing up, you don’t have an answer.

You’re already pregnant, complaining about the WOP in the gene pool.

Goy DeMeo
Goy DeMeo
Reply to  hokkoda
2 years ago

Anyone who thinks men can have babies is indeed a lunatic. The election was probably stolen through commission of fraud, and there was certainly an orchestrated or emergent effort by the media to slant coverage so far in favor of a beleaguered and venal Biden that Trump almost certainly would have won, even given the likely volume of fraud that occurred, had coverage been even moderately fair. That said, it’s still possible to hold the opinion that the election was not stolen, especially for those who are statistically uninclined or just not well informed, without being anything close to a… Read more »

c matt
c matt
2 years ago

Well then, we better get started on Orania. Or even better, several Oranias that can later be linked together like portions of a puzzle.

c matt
c matt
2 years ago

They will NEVER voluntarily agree to devolution of power to smaller entities, much less devolution of power to the point of proliferation of sovereignty

Agree?

c matt
c matt
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

That was in response to Horace’s first post, waaaaay at the bottom.

This newest post on top is really annoying.

Goy DeMeo
Goy DeMeo
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

But they don’t have to. You might say that the logistical costs of wielding power increase as the square of the distance from its seat, with friction accumulating in a similar way.

It doesn’t take much friction — ungovernability — to move the radius of practical territorial control to roughly the field of view through the praetorian’s optics.

The real Bill
The real Bill
2 years ago

Continuing with the cooking show analogy, the difference between left and right begins with their understanding of the ingredients: The left sees White people as toxic: insisting that the reason the recipes of the past never satisfied, is that the main ingredient was Whites. All along that food was making everyone sick, we just never noticed it. The solution, as leftists see it, is to alter the recipe: cut back on the proportion of Whites, and replace them with Brown and Black ingredients; which will add the vibrancy and variety that was lacking in the recipes of the past. Their… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

You’re not mentioning the most important ingredient, the money, and who controls it..

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Today’s topic is huge, amorphous, and seemingly implacable. But there are already many computer-based simulation models of human social dynamics that can aid is assessing potential future eventualities. This is a fancy way of saying that we can do better than by-guess-and-by-golly prognostication. And a lot depends on the initial conditions of the recovery from revolutionary change. If we continue on the slow slide into the ditch (muddle-through), then the bottom will eventually be very low and very destructive. Like a bomb going off, the fragments of humanity remaining after the explosion will likely partition into many disparate groups with… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

“Imagine a scenario and in which the shit stain…and all his dingleberries evaporated years ago” etc….
Wouldn’t be hard to set those words to the tune of a song I’ve heard before and would improve on it by a wide margin.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

We may have a set of ingredients where all combinations are impossible to choke down. Z Man’s point about the future being Nick Fuentes-AOC seems hard to refute. It is true that some hispanics are moving to the GOP. I attribute this to the admirable fact that most do want to work in a functioning economy and they are starting to suspect that this is not a high priority for the democrats. However, having lived around lots of hispanics, I was shocked at their tribalism. They really want people who look like them to rule, they want their heroes celebrated,… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Why do whites seem so hopeless about their fate?

I read lots of so and so is our best hope etc. They even need some pox to give them permission to speak up for themselves.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

There is a certain lack of masculine virtue, even on the DR.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Tower of babel × Sodom & Gamora squared. Is where we are. However
Whites will triumph its what we do
It’s who we are.
It’s our values.
It’s simple physics.
we value honesty, hard work, loyalty
& virtue. Its only right around the corner i can see it from here……Yawn, stretch, scratch.
What time is it ?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Yet Mexico has usually been ruled by white Spaniards, not hispanic mixes…

Rando
2 years ago

Supposedly the Sumerians we’re not only one of the first civilizations, but also a bi-cultural one. There were two ethnic groups involved, the Sumerians and the Akkadians. They had totally different languages and had different backgrounds. But they were able to build a civilization. I’d like to look into this more. Might give some ideas about how some racially fractured society might keep functioning…

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Rando
2 years ago

If you look a bit deeper you will find the parts in the history where eventually the Akkadians and Sumerians fought a war that brought about the effective end of Sumerian language and culture.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Rando
2 years ago

Sumer was conquered by Sargon of Akkad ca. 2400 B.C. creating the first true empire in history.

Dutch
Dutch
2 years ago

The one perhaps false assumption made here by Z-man is that people don’t care about immigration. I posit that people care greatly, but what to do about it, when there is no effective way to speak up, outside of the DR echo chamber, and nothing to be done beyond making a target out of yourself? Normie ain’t having any of that, no matter what he actually thinks. Two, what is being protected by clamping down on immigration? The rot is both from the inside out and the outside in. We are overwhelmed by breakdowns of all sorts, and open immigration… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

Yep: Normie quickly realizes that people who object to immigration are condemned as racists and xenophobes.

And sure: even if we were to close the door on immigration now, there are already plenty of “asylum seekers” and “dreamers” here already.

But it is possible to deport them.

What we want to avoid— what the Democrats are hoping will happen— is when enough immigrants have been granted citizenship and plugged into the entitlements system, that the Party of Free Stuff will have achieved a permanent majority.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

As far as I know, every poll that asked about immigration going back many years results in Americans wanting immigration reduced.

In fact Trump got elected in 2016 by picking up that $100 bill off the sidewalk that represented the immigration issue, long ignored by politicians and the mainstream media.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

I read years ago that there were several polls/surveys in the early 1960’s, preparatory to the Hart-Cellar Treason Act, asking Americans whether they wanted their communities’ demographics changed, and the answers were no, no, and hell no. Of course, it happened anyway. Democracy in any form is fake and gay.

We Europeans managed to blunder through 8000 years of optically white history with patriarchal tribal chieftains, then kings, dukes, counts, and barons. Aristocracy, for all it’s myriad and obvious flaws, has a MUCH better record at building and conserving civilization.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Nick Fuentes and Ocasio-Cortez … today’s my birthday, right before I blow out the candles on the cake my stand up wife baked for me ,I’m going to wish we both get a very aggressive form of pancreatic cancer at the same time and smile. It sure was nice while it lasted.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

I’d rather live in a world with Pope Nicholas than Comrade Sandy. At least I’d have a choice in our futura hispanica.

jethro
jethro
Reply to  Marko
2 years ago

You not keeping up on the news about dear ol’ Nick?

He is,no doubt, multitudes but he ain’t a Catholic.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

The elephant in the living room – for both the current society and any future one – is whites. If the Old South relied on slave labor to maintain the elites’ order, the United States of today relies on acquiescent whites. Our society relies on white labor to function economically and whites refusing to join the identity politics game to function politically. So long as whites are a large enough percentage of the labor market and remain cowed politically, the society will stagger along. But, of course, whites are falling as a percent of labor market, so that can’t hold… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Nature will win out. Right now whites are morally and spiritually I guess you could say merely in a dormant state like grass in the winter. You can’t suppress what’s inside of us brewing and churning forever. Whites have an inner sense of morality, especially as it pertains to our relationship with blacks and juice, at some point our innate sense of right and wrong is going to come bubbling over and finding that we can’t live with people whose sense of morality, whose readiness to lie and cheat and steal for example, is so at odds with who we… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Its a race between that resurging and the media drive to annihilate the idea of a functioning self concept in the younger generation..

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

There are limits to brainwashing. In fact most of the lunacy we see it easily explainable if you understand it’s just women. They always have their stupid fads and fashions, change overnight, hence the always changing cultural landscape where one day it’s this and then it’s that. It dizzying to us but to their brains filled with buzzing bees it feels right. So obviously the first step is to remove women from a major direct role in society. I see that happening in my lifetime believe it or not.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Personally I don’t think there are.

The ability to regress people to a per-concious dysfunctional state and keep them there via conditioning 24/7 is way beyond brainwashing.

If you can do this while the brain is forming is primary structures for organizing the world, the person is stuck there for the rest of their life pretty much.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

I got put in the ‘gifted’ program in elementary school. By high school, a couple of us ‘gifted’ were joking how they screwed our heads up. We were, of course, being educated from the start to be potential leaders and managers of this BS. Alums from my class have ended up in Wall St, Academia, famous museums, Big Corp, State Department, etc. I credit good family life, especially a close relationship with my grandparents, for poz resistance, although I wish it would’ve kicked in before college. Beyond the factors that make people ambitious, I think the modern American lifestyle of… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

I think you can add to that the Stone Cold Steve Austin fact that the two historical events that were used as a club to beat Boomer whites into colorblind CivNat Grillers, namely Mustache Guy’s well known antipithy towards Bagels, and the Southerners being mean to the obsolete farm equipment, are both respectively 77 years and 68 years in the past. The guilt trip that Boomers applied to reject identity politics because Dad fought in WWII or they saw poor sainted Martin Luffer Kang get aired out in 1968 is not going to apply to a generation of whites seeing… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Pickle Rick
2 years ago

Heck, I was born in the ‘80s and it doesn’t apply to me. Learning about Civil Rights during the LA riots was a trip.

Holocaust wasn’t a thing, for whatever reason. Maybe overshadowed by the end of the Cold War? Honestly very little until Schindler’s List which, being b&w, made it seem distant. Idk.

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Heck, me too. Maybe we can set something up. How much do you weight?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Aw shucks, I don’t follow 🙂

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

I said it in jest ^_^ Considering the female obesity epidemics, that shall be the first inquiry before manifesting further interest

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

I’m a dude. O the internet, with its lack of context lol

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Proportion of Whites is simply a proxy for national IQ—I’ll leave out discussion of behavioral characteristics for the sake of this argument. The proportion of Whites therefore is a major component of the Critical Fraction. The Critical Fraction is that percentage of the population to the “right” of the Bell Curve that are needed to maintain and expand a 1st world technological society such as we now are. We need not just geniuses, but doctors, engineers, mathematicians, etc. to thrive. Every society produces some pretty smart people—it’s the absolute numbers that count. We (USA) are declining in those numbers. As… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Yep: society— civilization— has always advanced on the accomplishments of a small minority of achievers, all of whom have been characterized by high IQ. John Derbyshire is fond of pointing out how shifting the median IQ from 100 to 85 results in far fewer people in the 120-and-up range that achievers come from. And yes: we’re rapidly dumbing-down. What will the result be, when our brightest children are being taught to believe things which simply aren’t true? in a society in which noticing that they aren’t true, brings negative consequences? Are western welfare states the first societies in history to… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“… the least-capable among us are not only surviving, but thriving and flourishing: out-reproducing the rest of us?” That works initially, like a parasite that catches onto a naive host. However, as the parasite multiples in excess of the host’s ability to support such, the host dies and so too the parasite. In the case of a civilization and the critical fraction theory, I predict a decline in the society in it’s infrastructure, wealth, and subsequent power until an equilibrium is reached wrt the current population’s abilities to support such. This assumes no other civilization takes notice and hurries things… Read more »

Le Comte
Le Comte
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

It’s amazing how the left’s thinking is all nonsense, not a bit of common sense and logical thinking shown and endless guilt (product of Christianity? I’m a Christian but as the line goes “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”), but so many white’s go along with it. Many go along because they don’t want to be ostracized and the rest just drink the kool-aid-but they have not thought of the slippery slope and long term effects. On the right, there is plenty of stupidity and less balls. Sigh, but detach.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Le Comte
2 years ago

A lot of Christianity is presented like the media – it’s not the part that they report, but what they leave out. Sure, White man shoots Balck guy may be true, but they leave out the ten Black on White shootings. And that the W on B was during the B robbing the W, and the B on W was also during the B robbing the W. So you rarely hear about Christ calling out the money changers, the work or don’t eat, and my personal favorite – the time will come when you will need to sell your cloak… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Le Comte
2 years ago

Christianity aside, much of the virtue of working for your keep is impractical in our current technological society. In short, what productive use are folks with 70-80 IQ’s? Even if they had a work ethic, how many menial jobs can there be that they could handle? What we do today is to pay these people Danegeld and hope the problem goes away. Of course, that has always failed, and the results of that failure are apparent to anyone who cares to look. UBI is not the answer as these people multiple until th host dies. Hard choices must be made,… Read more »

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I think your insight that society holds on because whites are dormant wrt identity politics is very true. However I don’t share in the elites also knowing this very well and trying to prevent it from happening.
I think our elites are not omniscient but in fact they may have reflected on this subject much less than you did. They just keep kicking down the societal hierarchy as they have always done, and one peg down to them there are the middle classes. Only that now, they have very powerful electronic means of control which they once lacked.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

As for politically, the GOP is an imperfect White political grouping, mostly by default. It seems about right, as I would venture around 60% of Whites, mostly conservative, will identify as GOP. The other part of Whites that goes with Dems are libs with little to no hope of coming to their senses. Independents are largely negligible. The difficulty is the folks at the top of the GOP work against us. Cornyn getting booed at the recent convention is a good sign though. Can you do a recall on US Senators? If not, that is something that needs to be… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

There is no recall in the Constitution for Congress. You can impeach, but that’s it. The Founders assumed the people would “recall” at the voting booth.

Falcone
Falcone
2 years ago

I’m firmly in the camp that there is no possible solution given the ingredients I don’t see even how it’s possible for white people to continue on living with blacks given that nature is going to win out and at some point whites are going to find their inner morality and conclude that living among such a dysfunctional and criminal minded people is hopeless and must be ended. The natures of the two groups will not allow continued cohabitation. It’s been tried and it’s killing the souls of whites, and how long can that last? It won’t. For the softer… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Yes! By all means come out and visit! I’ll help you set up a tour. It can begin in San Bernardino and go from there. Maybe we can visit McCarthy’s sh t hole district. Definitely Maxine Water’s district. Ending with a ride on the C Line. Stop for a quick bite on Crenshaw.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

The big takeaway from California is that the libs will never hit an “oops we went too far” point. They’ll keep doubling down and insist to high heaven that their ideas are correct even as the last of them are being put into a big cooking pot by the diversity.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Falcone: I wholeheartedly agree that, with the current ingredients in AINO, no genuine civic structure or society is possible. I cannot even envision a society headed by people like AOC or Stacy Abrams, and they are highly representative of those waiting in the wings for old ethnic liberals like Pelosi and Schumer to die off. Of course, a good part of today’s decay originated in those very same ethnic liberals and party bosses – a tradition dating back well over 100 years. Before that – before the mass immigration after the slaughter of Whites in the unCivil War, it was… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

There’s always the Pol Pot option, the Razor nationale

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

The future is going to be a balkanized basket case. We’re not coming back from this. We just have to find a pocket of the country that will likely be stable during the troubles. If things get bad enough I may slip across to BC for a couple years. LA, Chicago, NYC will be the Sarajevos. Bad places to be. Zagreb not as bad. Ljubujana on the perimeter of the problems. We need common sense to know which areas will be a social ground zero and avoid them. The country won’t feel the collapse evenly. Baltimore…obviously…not so good. Tribal raiding… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Today I was listening to J Dreizen on some podcast but he mentioned something about Russia and Ukraine. Long story short, if our electricity goes out we are going to have sewage piling up and no water purification. Add California is pretty close to seeing its electrical capacity going bye bye. So imagine that scenario among the current “ingredients” and especially the darkest and dimmest but most violent ones.

This made a light go off in my head. Get the hell out while the getting is good

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

I had a strange dream last night. I kid you not. I was at a DMV in Washington State getting my car reregistered. Maybe my synapses are telling me to flee.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I’m reading this on the corner of sunset and Fairfax. If Karen bass wins I’m leaving LA, if Gavin newsom winds the big one in DC, I’m leaving the country. Rick C ain’t going to win , not that it matters. Sure would like to IRL with you two. No idea how that would work, but I’m willing to try. Maybe Z could help us arrange it.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

I’m in same boat as you wrt Bass. If that pos wins I am GONE. And if she wins there is no helping LA until we get closer to the Olympics in 2028, and that is pure speculation, and I am not willing to spend the intervening years of my precious life waiting for the governing bodies to get their act together. If Bass wins the homeless situation will get worse and worse and worse. I know sunset and Fairfax well. In fact Frip and I were one day talking about meeting up at the former red rock bar now… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

Falcone

Hit damn!

I always thought Barney’s Beamer was a fictitious reference that Dennis Miller always mentioned.

“Flee the scenery at Barneys Beanery”

Who knew?!

The commenters on this site are the bomb diggity.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Hopefully, the agency was in western Washington state, the part likely to join up into the forthcoming Greater Idaho.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Cheap, abundant, stable fossil fuels and electric power are the keystone of modern industrial civilization.

Remove those and the best case scenario is a lifestyle resembling 1805.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

That and an edit feature.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Wild Geese: Was just discussing this with hubby yesterday. Too many of our people are in love with the romance of living close to the land, but the historical reality was damned hard. Watched YT video of a Dutchman who bought a few acres in the Italian alps. He tried using a scythe to trim his overgrown property, but ultimately gratefully deferred to various helpers using a gas-powered trimmer. Others who are building on raw land with neither water nor power rough it for as long as they can, but the intense heat (or cold in the winter), the difficulty… Read more »

Renee
Renee
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

3G4Me, I had relatives who grew up under slightly better conditions until after WW 2. They did have access to tetanus shots but that was about all. Children died from diarrhea or burns. They worked hard growing and preserving food, going from water baths to, I think, pressure cookers on a wood stove. Glass canning jars were available for vegatables. Pork was smoked. The men and women had to organize and plan from food preparation to chopping wood for fuel and heat in the winter. Men and women had definite roles, based on physical strenght. As someone once told me,… Read more »

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

That sad excuse for a statue is across from the old tower records soon to be supreme, and that means there’s going to be gun play. I’m in echo park. Give me a time and place and I’ll be there. Weekend better, but I can swing it during the week if need be.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

When I have time I will try to organize something and get Frip involved and anyone else in the LA area. I’m leaving for Florida for a few months so will have to be later in summer. I’m down for anywhere tbh, echo park, silver lake, Hollywood, weho, whatever. Up by me is pretty boring.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Great ! Looking forward to it.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Panzernutter
2 years ago

Oh btw a place that might work is Red Lion. German place on Glendale, maybe you’ve been there. That place used to be fun as shit and it’s close to both of us (I’m in valley).

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Perfect, I can walk to that one and stumble home. Anytime. Beer garden. Nice touch.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

Just have to sell balkanization as a win-win for preserving diversity. ONLY Backs allowed to live here, no Whites. Whites must live over there amongst themselves. We will call it the Briar Patch.

Kralizec
Kralizec
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

Please, mars, DON’T throw me in that briarpatch

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
2 years ago

“On the other hand, maybe there is a common ground in a fragmented, multiracial society around which to build a politics.”

There are no common grounds. The history of the world is tribal in nature. Genetic proximity is key to viable societies (though not sufficient). Everything we know from history about multi-racial or multi-ethnic societies and empires is that they splinter apart, usually violently. No common ground because there aren’t enough common genes.

B125
B125
Reply to  Arshad Ali
2 years ago

India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Brazil seem to be examples of multi-racial societies that are currently existing. These societies aren’t great but they do exist. Afghanistan/Pakistan rely on religious fanaticism and ultra nationalism. India has a strong Hindu majority and long civilizational history. Brazil uses a half baked civic nationalism. None of these societies are rapidly changing due to open borders. None of them have insane, childless wine ladies in key positions. None of them believe in blank slate, magic dirt theory. That seems to be something that only pops up in Anglo & friends societies. But it’s clear that diversity is… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I don’t think it is possible to plan for the hypothetical future by examining what is possible today. We really won’t know what is possible until we arrive there. The constraints of today are probably not the same as the constraints of tomorrow. I just don’t see how a people with poisoned minds can ever recover. In the Revolution, the men who created the new system were wealthy and capable men who were already the elite of society, they just didn’t have formal power. The existing elites they were fighting belonged to a power center an ocean away. We don’t… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

WE are the natural out-of-power elite.

Otherwise, yes: playing cooking show is a waste of time.

The best I hope for is to push the destruction of the oligarchs from the theoretical to the actual. This is the step that always gets left out.

I leave it to other bears of bigger brain to come up with a handful of principles upon which to base whatever comes next.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

One thing that concerns me, regarding the eventual collapse and do over, is the seemingly insane move TPTB are performing in Lithuania. Whether this was their plan to begin with or just an ongoing ad lib, I don’t know. But, they are literally trying to force a world war. I personally don’t believe the West has the ability to win a fight against Russia and China, but I do believe they have the ability to fight. And by fight, I mean engage in mass actions in which people die. One if the reasons I see them going down this path… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

If Russia would stand back and realize that grinding out a land war with troops in the field is stuck in the 20th century. Talk about fighting the last war. With hypersonic missiles and subs it would seem simpler to just target the command centers to do what they are doing on a small scale in Ukraine. Hit the EU building, NATO headquarters,parliaments, the personal residences of the politicians etc, etc. I am surprised they have not done this yet in the current conflict. Perhaps it never occurs to anyone? You suddenly are back to the heads of states getting… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Oh I forgot to mention the most important. All the media company headquarters.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

I remember when Linsday Graham was calling for the assassination of Putin.

I was hoping that the Russians would return favor and start eliminating some of the war mongers at the top.

Maybe even get a few like Ted Cruz when he goes to Cancun. Force these elites to spend their whole lives looking over their shoulder.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Sand Wasp
2 years ago

I am more talking about a war suited to the current weapons.

The mob wars always targeted the higher ups if they could get to them. Makes a lot of sense. Whack the heads enough and its suddenly truce time, no one cares about the low level guys.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

I think the reality is the smart weapons are in always in limited quantities and difficult to replace.

This is particularly true for the Russians who a vastly smaller economy than NATO

The military planners do not want to use them unless it is a life or death situation for the country.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

I think that it is coming to that, given the most recent statements of major Russian authorities. Do the little hat/WEF loons even have the “ears to hear” these clearly-voiced warnings? I don’t think so; they are so accustomed to being given carte blanche in the West at large to talk out their asses, and engage in any manner of hyperbolic speech that, rather as they think that Twitter blather is a genuine modality of state power, ultimately consequence-free, they have no concept how hard the knout could come down. Now, the Russians, seemingly the only adults in the room,… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

“Do the little hat/WEF loons even have the “ears to hear” these clearly-voiced warnings?” You know how the Left always accuses the Right of doing what the Left is doing? They also think that their enemies are just like they are. Remember Obama’s “red lines”? “Cross that line, buddy, and you’re in deep doo doo!” Line is crossed. “OK, I’m not kidding now. You cross this line and its on!” Line is crossed. “You’re lucky I’m in a good mood. Now seriously, you cross this line and you’re dead!” Line is crossed. The West is led by people that think… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

The Russians – in fairness to them, likely out of necessity as they have had to crawl out from the societal collapse at the end of communist rule, which collapse was mightily assisted by the misplaced trust in the “Harvard Boyz” to help them in doing so – have been too polite. But they first needed to regain control of their own nation, and more importantly, to develop weaponry and military puissance which was functionally not possible to counter, and then they could rise up and say “Nyet”. It’s been a near run thing, but the signposts of its accumulating… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Missiles and aircraft are expensive to maintain and replace. Artillery shells are cheap and the Russians can outrange the Ukrainians, so while the artillery combat is slower they’re winning without bankrupting themselves or losing too many soldiers.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

While it is working class young white men getting killed, TPTB are happy to play video war. Start striking assets of TPTB directly, and the reaction becomes real. I am sure the Ruskies thought of it, and determined, correctly, TPTB won’t directly engage as long as it’s a working class grind. Why give them their Pearl Harbor?

Horace
Horace
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

If we get in an actual shooting war with Russia, I expect both that China will join in against us as soon as GAE assets are committed against the Russians. Following that, crucial networks like electric power distribution and EBT will go offline long enough to completely set off our blessed urban melanated time bombs. …more destructive than nuclear bombs, with no messy radiation. The GAE is a dilapidated house of cards soaked in kerosene in which the owners have passed out matches to all of the renters inside and dared them to set it alight.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

trumpton: Hear, hear!!!!

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

What is going to stink is in order to get the Grillere riled up, one of the nicer cities in a Red/ Purple state will be the one to get nuked.
Williston, ND. Overland Park, KS. Indianapolis. Lots of photogenic women and children with flash burns.
It worked before at the OK City Federal Building.
Heck, how mad were you when you saw the New Yorkers covered in dust walking down the streets of Manhattan on 9/11? Those were New Yorkers (mostly bankers, lawyers and advertising folk), who are, objectively, the most annoying people on earth.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

The demographics aren’t natural. They’re result of policy, even the aim of policy. It’ll be interesting to see what’s still possible when the power to do these things goes away.

I might be able to grow pineapples in a greenhouse where I live, but if a tornado blows the greenhouse away, there won’t be pineapples, you know?

B125
B125
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

They aren’t natural but demographics are changing across the globe. All of East Asia (incl. China) has ultra low fertility rates. The big one, India, is now below replacement and keeps dropping. Latin America, incl. Mexico is mostly below replacement level now with some countries (Costa Rica, Argentina, Chile, P.R.) approaching the low levels of Spain. It’s possible that the planet might actually start to get whiter in the coming decades. Either way the global population will start to decline relatively soon. At some point the planet will become mostly old people, with a converging living standard (Asia isn’t as… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I just don’t see these demographic trends being maintained without immigration. Without immigration, this problem should reverse. Without mass immigration, labor prices go way up, real estate goes way down and family formation gets far easier. Though I am not sure what to make of it, a lot of people who should be in the know say the black death created the conditions for the explosion of wealth and population growth in Europe and the UK for the very reasons I listed above. Japan is the place to watch though. They are the example bucking the worldwide trend of mass… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Even if japan shrinks by 80 million people, it’ll still be an island of 60 million Japanese people.

One day the modern world will stop running. Say we run out of oil in 100 years. Oops, birth control no longer available. Population starts growing again. It’s only the West that has damaged itself irreparably.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

The populations of the world are going through a genetic bottleneck.

Personality is partially controlled by genes and the psychological phenotypes that are adverse to reproduction are getting weeded out hard. We can’t see that because these changes occur over time periods that are beyond the scale of a single human life.

It is happening and one day Japan’s population is going to start increasing again. The Herbivore men and feminists will be gone.

The Open question for white people is if this population transition will happen before there are too few of us left for it to matter.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

I think Russia is seeing the writing on the wall and actually thinking longer term, say a generation or two into the future. Hungary seems to be tagging along. Maybe parts of Italy but they now have a black problem with blacks tearing up lake Garda where incidentally is a huge amusement park I used to go to with my nieces and nephews. Unbelievable they let blacks anywhere near there en masse. Better stop. My guess is that Russia is the future. They’re the only ones who seem to care about it. And hopefully they prove to be a guiding… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“All of East Asia (incl. China) has ultra low fertility rates. The big one, India, is now below replacement and keeps dropping.”

This reminds me of the feeling I get when someone on the right talks about how some globohomo corporation lost $X billion because of their “woke” policies. To which, I reply, “Yeah. At that rate they’ll go out of business in 50 years.”

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Anonymous White Male: Thank you. I, too, shake my head when people throw around numbers claiming declining world fertility. The only number that matters to me is about 8.5% – the White population of the world. And perhaps a quarter of that – just perhaps – is White women of child bearing age. That does not speak to a White resurgence in my mind. All the pregnant women I see here in Texas are Oriental, subcontinental, black, or Mestiza. There was some Chinese lady with four daughters yesterday – guarantee she’ll keep pumping them out until she has her son.… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

It’s still early, but between ZMan post and commentariat input thus far – I’m reminded why I spend…er…invest time here most every day.
Come for the essay, stay for the comments.
Carry on.

B125
B125
2 years ago

Most leftists want to destroy and ultimately die. They won’t ever “wake up” when they see the destruction they’ve caused because it’s what they want, even if it’s unconscious. Look at the abortion “debate”. It’s clearly not a practical issue where they’re concerned about being able to time their childbearing. There is a primal instinct to kill their babies. Look at the way they forced their children to lockdown and turn them trans. Look at the way they love Islam but hate Christianity. Love foreign civilizations but hate European ones. It’s about a hatred of their fathers. They reject God… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

If not genetic – here’s another possibility: They are of their father the devil, and the desires of their father they want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“They won’t ever “wake up” when they see the destruction they’ve caused because it’s what they want”

and because they love blaming the destruction on the “right wing” who got in the way of their perfect plans.

There is not one blatantly left-wing depraved consequence that they can’t or won’t blame on Trump, Reagan, Nixon, Christians, or all the racists.

RedBeard
RedBeard
2 years ago

I think the future is going to be regionalism. We’ve already been experiencing a realignment during and after the deadly covid (sarcasm). This is also why I see a lot of NY plates driving around New Hampshire. People, are slowly shying away from diversity and totalitarianism like a skittish dog that hears a distant gunshot.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

I agree that’s probably the future.
Unfortunately I think there will be a lot of shooting and tears on the way there.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Maxda
2 years ago

There always is, Maxda. But all birth begins with pain.

RedBeard
RedBeard
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

Well, for those who bother having kids these days.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

Hoagie, thank you.

I may have heard that saying before but never has it struck such a loud and memorable chord.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

Don’t mock the deadliness of Covid. I died TWICE from Covid (…but I got better).

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Mow Noname
2 years ago

You’re like Keith richards !

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

During lock down NYC’ers were snatching up properties all over NE sight unseen. As usual pricing out the locals. The NYPost even ran an article where some NYC’ers got into a bidding war for a Maine property only for the winner to discover that the locals hate them and want nothing to do with them. That combined w/ the fact that taxes are going way up during a recession to feed/house/clothe the unending stream of border-jumpers https://tinyurl.com/bdzatpej. It’s a colossal mess.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  RedBeard
2 years ago

RedBeard: I see tons of out of state plates here in Texas, too. Lots from Cali or NY – and even Minnesota or Maryland – but the drivers are either Han, Pajeet, or black. And even those few that are White bring their politics and social beliefs with them. A California ‘right winger’ simply means “change not quite as fast or insane as the California left.” Find almost any attractive, White, rural locale and the original population is being priced out of the market by older, civic nationalist dems and repukes. This further mixing of disparate populations is not a… Read more »

AntiDem
AntiDem
2 years ago

Well, sorta. The thing is, no restoration ever succeeds completely. Nor should it – if nothing else, whatever needs to be “restored” has obviously fallen on hard times, and unless the restoration addresses whatever flaws led there, it will be short-lived, like the restored Bourbons, of whom it was said that “They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing”. On the other hand, it simply doesn’t comport with reality to say that a restoration simply isn’t possible at all. Vladimir Putin is the de facto Tsar of a Russia that has been slowly returning to its traditional cultural and religious roots… Read more »

imbroglio
imbroglio
2 years ago

James Howard Kunstler’s “Long Emergency” and subsequent commentary are a good source for this kind of discussion as he and his colleagues have given this precise question a lot of thought. The Mises folks as well. If the U.S. in its curent iteration becomes a Chinese or pan-Asian satrapy, the unitary, surveilance/social credit state my prevail for a time, a body politic composed of Orwell-type proles whose merging demo-identies may contend with one another across a largely denuded landscape. That might be a temporary arrangement, an amalgamation of a poorer but wiser “browned” population possessing no taste for or urge… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

Nations as they exist right now are becoming a thing of the past, the people really pulling the strings now being transnational organizations like the WEF and WHO, and their control is only going to become broader and broader with every passing year. Look at the nearly universal panic over a simple cold and tell yourself these are autonomous entitities. The way of the future is to carve out space for your own people, whether in your own back yard or in rural areas of Europe. Localism is nice, but will be slowly strangled by technocrats in foreign countries without… Read more »

mikey
mikey
2 years ago

The starting point for a new politics based in the reality of society is that it can only come after events lead to a replacement of the current elites with a new elite. Nobody really knows the proportion of the Colonial population that seriously wanted independence. In the rush to representative democracy and rejection of hereditary monarchy no vote was ever taken. There was an elite with close ties to the UK but only the most intrepid researchers know of them and their activities and this history is buried by flattering accounts of the glories of the Founding Fathers. Events… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

> This blank slate mentality infects the Left and Right. For the Left, the glorious future that is free of suffering and exploitation is otherwise undefined. In fact, its lack of specifics is the appeal. The original Obama election campaign was the most pristine example of left politics that has ever existed. He was a half-black who never did anything of importance, had an almost nonexistent voting record, and no viable policies he campaigned on. He just had the impressive propaganda posters with the single word, “Hope” along the bottom, and the average person would just fill in the blanks… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Obama also had the massive advantage of running against that utter rodent of a globalist, John McCain.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

And came after our worst president, G.W. Bush. Really, if he was anything but a lazy rabble-rouser and threw a few scraps to whites, he could have practically become emperor.

Rush Limbaugh said something similar in one of his speeches, that Obama could have buried the Republican party forever.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Obama could have been greater than MLK, but he succumbed to his “Dark Side”. Pun intended.

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Yes, The Great Half-White Hope actually could have promoted “racial healing” had he equally embraced both sides of his ancestry. Instead he chose the more lucrative path of black black blackity black and the sacred victimhood that goes with. He idolized his father who he barely knew and called his grandmother a “typical white person.” What a putz.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Compsci: But they all do. I’m more puzzled that anyone actually expected him to legitimately and publicly prize his half-White genetics. And even if he had, as has been written many times elsewhere, whether you add only a spoonful of shite to the ice cream or mix it half and half, it still might as well be all shite for any useful purpose.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

And he did well for himself and his handlers. How many can you name that were in their fifties when they first cracked the $100K ceiling that now own two oceanfront estates in some of the priciest RE on the planet as well as mansions in Chicago and DC — all of which have to be protected at the expense of the taxpayer until he pops his clogs.

The Kaigat Of Wands
The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

I’ve been wondering if there’s a natural population limit for any country beyond which you just can’t have a liberal democracy – that it simply can’t work beyond about 40m or so people, even if the society is relatively homogeneous. Or, at least, that it can’t work at that level unless it also allows for a very strong degree of regional autonomy.

I.M.
I.M.
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

40m is too high. Canada is below that threshold but we’re hardly liberal in the classical sense and haven’t been so for a long time. Caveat being that “strong degree of regional autonomy” doesn’t really exist here with the exception of the province of Quebec.

William Corliss
William Corliss
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

Plato’s Laws puts the number of citizens (heads of households) at 5040.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

Liberal democracy can never work. A motivated and disciplined minority will always rule over the unmotivated and uninterested majority.

In a liberal democracy, you vote for the candidates they present to you and say you chose. Did you? What about the other 99.9999% that weren’t put on your ballot?

There’s no going back, because there was never anything there in the first place.

That’s it, full stop.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

“A motivated and disciplined minority will always rule over the unmotivated and uninterested majority.”

Yes, but isn’t this true of all kinds of government, not just liberal democracy?

In my own thinking, I take it as a given that elites will rule almost all the time, in all forms of government. My imperfect solution is to try to set up a society where the elites are more likely to identify with those over whom they rule. My hope is that elites will be less inclined to oppress those who could be their second cousins.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

That would be called monarchy.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

The human drive for status always means that an elite will keep taking measures to separate themselves from the nonelites. Despite having an oligarchy, the US is fairly meritocratic in the sense that lower class people can worm their way into the elite class through academia. The notable thing though is that as soon as Maria Pendejo Garcia Lopez gets her position in the university or media, once she’s within the managerial class, try offering her a taco and watch her explode in indignant rage. Now she only eats Thai-Mexican fusion vegan wraps. Since the elites are in a constant… Read more »

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

I wonder if there’s a natural political population limit. Trillion dollar budgets, 541 congressman, their staffs, white house & staff, 50 governors, hundreds of mayors & city councils, 50 state legislatures, 9 judges SCOTUS & their staff, 9 godzillion agencies & bureaucrats, Pentagon, Army, Marines, Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, 50 National Guards, School Boards, city police, state police, UN Rep & their staff, ambassadors & their staff, o yeah, and the Department of Redundancy Department.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
2 years ago

We haven’t had “relatively homogeneous” since the early-mid 19th century.

Severian
2 years ago

Just starting to think through this stuff, one thing I think will return with a vengeance is the notion of “control of a physical space.” We all know that a major reason the Left (for rhetorical convenience) are they way they are is: They don’t have to physically live with the results of their policies (“talk like MLK, live like the KKK” etc.). But it’s also a major reason the Right (again for rhetorical convenience) are the way they are as well. We don’t (just) flee the cities to get away from homeless schizophrenic drug addicts and feral negroes; we… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

People who have lived through the last forty years cannot envision any scenario where anything, let alone necessities, are unavailable at any cost. In fact, the Bug Men who control foreign policy have no idea that a war with China would mean the psychotropics they and their neighbors take to remain semi-functional would disappear, to cite one example. The potential disappearance of soy-based meat substitutes from their shelves is Disinformation and A Conspiracy Theory wrapped in Malinformation. Maybe they would follow in the footsteps of the early Bolsheviks who ventured into the countryside to grab food and hard goods stored… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

The psychotropics are an important point. Covid, Ukraine, all that crap… that was Karen ON her meds. Imagine what happens when she’s OFF her meds. [personally, I thought the new round of Chinese covid lockdowns — and hey, where are we with that? is it still a thing? the Media won’t tell me for some reason — was the CCP jerking Brandon’s chain a little bit. You know those stuka pills they shoot you with whenever they’re forced to put you on stage? Do you know where they come from? But then I realized that I was giving the Orientals… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

Who wouldn’t like to see the entirety of the Congress and the Biden Junta drug-tested for the works, including Procrit and other Alzheimer and Parkinson’s inhibitors? Those not on the outright psychotropics likely would be on those. Maybe a narcotized state will enhance the blast radius experience.

The Chinese likely are running drills in the event one of those on a psychotropic cocktail makes the decision to let ‘er rip.

“We missed and hit Taiwan? Well, dddddammmmn. My bad. Fire up another.”

Sand Wasp
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

“Farmer John can get it straight from the teat. Nancy Pelosi is going to have to learn how to milk rats if she wants that $20 a pint ice cream. Big, big difference.” I find this kind of thinking to be dangerously naive. If that kind of pressure ever comes to bear on the urban elite, the conservatives in the countryside will be liquidated like the kulaks. Surrendering the centers of power and running out to Idaho was a stupid strategy for conservatives. As a consequence of the pandemic and the rise of telecommuting, once the wealthy left decided that… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Sand Wasp
2 years ago

The correct definition of meek is power under control. So yes, the meek do inherit the Earth if they utilize their power under control and not merely destructively (as Leftists do).

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

“Nancy Pelosi is going to have to learn how to milk rats if she wants that $20 a pint ice cream”

She did have kids, so she has some experience with lactating vermin.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

this post appears to assume that the current territory of AINO will remain intact. it will not. there are already large amounts of territory that are de facto outside of federal jurisdiction. won’t be long before entire states start withdrawing from the federal system. whatever the mud people inherit, it will be much smaller and much poorer than AINO.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Yep. It’s happening now but many seem oblivious. There will be a central government, but its reach will get shorter and shorter until being able to throw its weight around Northern Virginia gets tough.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I’ve been wondering about the political reliability of the imperial political police. How much genuine enthusiastic cooperation are DC poobahs getting from field offices (especially in red states that have serious diversity violence problems like Missouri), or is there one DC-based team of traitor white guys who they send around to make the high profile snatches, err, arrests?

Felix Krull
Member
2 years ago

For the Left, the glorious future that is free of suffering and exploitation is otherwise undefined. In fact, its lack of specifics is the appeal.

The modern leftie battle plan is to circumvent or level every institution and edifice of the old order and then, when they have blanked the slate and are triumphantly standing over the bodies of the old elite, they’ll demand justice! They’ll demand equality! They’ll demand liberty! You’ve got to ask to whom they are addressing these demands.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

but they already have total control, and they continue on leveling and destroying society. turns out that’s all they are capable of. but that’s cancer for you!

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

but they already have total control, and they continue on leveling and destroying society.

Yes, because they have no goals. They have captured the institutions but they don’t know what comes next, so they just keep subverting and destroying.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Of course they have a goal.

Whether they understand or not, it is a rebellion against consciousness and existence which is why they are determined to emulate the most bestial behavior, followed by an immolation of society and death of themselves and all around them.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

That’s not a goal, that’s a method. They have no idea what a just society should look like.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

@felix.

That is because they do not want a society to exist at all.

Their goal is oblivion of themselves as a human and that goal includes taking you with them.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Yes, trumpton, the runnels of Hell are overfull, and the YHWH is trying to lobotomize Itself. Awakened- awakened in Hell- it cannot bear the knowledge of pain, yet all it can do only makes the problem worse. It feeds on pain, but, having no hands, it can only influence the brain cells to kill each other- feeding it further, while trying to get enough of them killed that it loses the knowing. As Krull says, those brain cells yearn, unaware that they are driven. Grateful, grateful I am that the Zman sees a future at all. But were it to… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

The nihilists have slipped their leash. Those who fed them and held them back no longer are capable.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I recently saw a “mainstream” news item where (headline) Hillary basically said that the radicals in the Democratic party are a threat. You know matters are serious….

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Ben,

A friend pointed this out to me as well. I was shocked to find out that it was true. However, don’t be fooled. She explains how it is all about WINNING first, THEN you go forward with your plans to destroy whitey.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

The left has no idea what they will do after they’ve completed our society’s final dismantling. Once they see that their grand vision isn’t turning out like they hoped (because reality and stuff), they will resort to their usual scapegoating and toddler temper tantrums. Without white people to blame for all of their struggles, they will simply find a new group to persecute. They will soon learn that reality doesn’t stop when they stopped believing in it. For instance, Jared Taylor mentioned a woman and her child who were run down by a feral negro in California. The violent feral… Read more »

William Corliss
William Corliss
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

Whites understand this on a primordial level about blacks, but as moral beings, they have proven unable to live with the thought. I believe it is for this reason that so many are committing suicide in so many ingenious ways in the West now. All to escape that thought.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

“… retards beyond any imagination.” Yes, I am reminded of the conversos mentioned in Raymond Ibrahim’s “Sword and Scimitar.” Pretty much the only remnants of the southern Spanish that survived the 700 years long Islamic occupation of Spain were those that converted to Islam. The rest were eventually exterminated one way or another, either killed in place or sent into slavery in northern Africa to vanish from the pages of time. These conversos pretended to convert back to Christianity and rejoin their people, but never did. It took 100 years before the Christians tired of their dysfunction, which including revolts… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Tired Citizen
2 years ago

That’s everywhere now.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

They will also demand vengeance.

Melissa
Melissa
2 years ago

It isn’t easy to imagine a bright future as we consider who might be our future leaders. It is clear to that the standard of learning is in rapid decline. The left has been in the process of removing white men from US and world history. Millions of white kids are heading in to summer break having been beaten over the head with anti-white rhetoric. White men throughout history are now portrayed as hideous villains. They are only mentioned in terms of slavery!, not-zees!, ray-cists! Soon, HS kids will graduate having learned that the Tuskegee airmen and the Navajo code… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Melissa
2 years ago

Melissa: My only edit is that this is not “Soon.” It is now. Everyone I know who deals with public school edumacated teens is beyond appalled by their incredible ignorance. And since the average adult is already an idiot, it’s really hard to imagine just how empty-headed today’s youth are. They are filled with a sense of woke moral rectitude but little else. Certainly no genuine facts or morals or history.

David Wright
Member
2 years ago

Why bother with the premise as proposed. Scrap it and break up the country to smaller nations aligned with regions. Using your metaphor all we end up trying to fix this is having a muddy terrible tasting soup barely edible.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

“Scrap it and break up the country …” The fundamental parameter here is that we have an imperial ruling class. Partition is utterly anathema to them. They will NEVER voluntarily agree to devolution of power to smaller entities, much less devolution of power to the point of proliferation of sovereignty. It is one of the main reasons why our foreign (and domestic) policy has been dysfunctional for so very long. Our imperial ruling class is interested in ruling the world, though it is clear that at least some are temporarily backing away from that as they see the core slipping… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

I didn’t mean to suggest that the country would do this voluntary. It may happens due to the death throes of a dying nation or war related. Or , who knows.

TeaPartyComicCon
TeaPartyComicCon
Reply to  Horace
2 years ago

Something that isn’t taught in American high school is that the status of slavery in the Confederacy was irrelevant to the Civil War. The basic stuff of the conflict was determining whether the Slave Power would globalize into the frontier West. It is taught in school that some of the Framers assumed slavery would wither away, but then the invention of the cotton gin is the excuse for why they were wrong about this. In Communist high-school they usually teach you that the abolition of slavery begat sharecropping and company stores and corrupt railroad barons using the federal government to… Read more »