The Righteous Cause

Note: My Taki post is on the same topic. Sunday Thoughts is up behind the green door for those who are in need of audio stimulation. I also have a post up about my recent trip to the doctor for the annual inspection.


Clausewitz famously wrote that “War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means.” Like all overused expressions, this one is always used to end analysis rather than open it. The true meaning of the expression is much deeper than the simple comparison between two related activities. War and politics have much in common so the comparison should be used to take what is known about one and use it to understand something about the other.

You see this in the case of abortion. For fifty years religious and social activists in America have organized to overturn the Supreme Court decision that invented a right to abortion in the Constitution. From the perspective of most religious people, life begins at conception, so the court has institutionalized murder as a right. Others saw the issue as an assault on the logic of society. The Orwellian invention of new rights was simply laying the groundwork for arbitrary rule.

Within the pro-life movement, therefore, there was always this double helix around which the movement organized itself. One strand was the moral arguments about human life and the other strand was the rational arguments about the constitution and the structure of America politics. In the end, the court yielded to those rational arguments, but that could not have happened without the energy of the moral arguments that kept the movement going for over fifty years.

In war, men will die for their cause. They will not die for a paycheck or the promise of war booty after the battle. They will die for a cause because they are motivated by a sense of righteousness in the cause. When an army believes it is fighting for what is right, it is willing to do whatever is necessary to win. An army fighting with a bayonet at its back or because it is paid to fight is risk adverse. It will do only that which is advantageous to it because that is what reason dictates.

This is something people have known since forever. The ancients observed that men would fight like lions in defense of their own lands but became quite conservative when they crossed into the enemy’s lands. The reason militaries try to build bonds of brotherhood within units is they know men will fight for their brothers, even sacrificing themselves if necessary. In other words, a man will die for two brothers of eight cousins, but that is the limit of his sacrifice.

Therein lies the reason the pro-life cause was able to sustain itself for two generations fighting to overturn Roe. For the people in that movement, the logic of abortion is not what motivated them. In fact, most never bothered to think much about the legal and political logic of the issue. They simply focused on the morality of it. Abortion is murder and a society that institutionalizes murder is immoral. They felt a moral duty to commit their lives to end this immoral practice.

It is important to note that the only two issues the Right has had any success in America are guns and abortion. The gun people had the advantage of the second amendment but they never relied upon it. Only a few gun cases have made it to the courts and they have only nibbled around the issue. Instead, the gun people launched a crusade against the gun grabbers in every state and locality. Their task has always been to anathematize gun grabbing and the gun grabbers.

The lesson here for those engaging in politics is that like war, politics is about morality, not facts and reason. The soldier fights for his love of country, often expressed as love of his brothers in arms. He fights for a cause bigger than himself. In politics, the winners are those who frame the issue in moral terms, seizing the moral high ground and demanding opponents justify their actions in the face of morality. The losers are those who settle for facts and reason.

This is why the American Left has won every battle against the so-called conservatives over the last century. The Left makes moral claims while the co-called conservatives force opposition into rational claims. The exception has been the two issues where professional conservatism has had little role, abortion and guns. It is important to note that professional conservatism has opposed the NRA over the years and they opposed Trump, who promised to fill the court with pro-life judges.

It is why conservatives oppose the term “antiwhite.” They know that this is a morally charged term that offers no opportunity for them to negotiate away the interests of the people they claim to represent. It makes a clear moral distinction between us and them, which is the enemy of the sorts of people working in conservatism. The same is true of the word “groomer” which is not only factually accurate, but it also lays bear the moral implications of the sexual revolution.

In the end, the lesson of the abortion movement for dissidents is that the way to defeat the moral framework of the Left is with an alternative moral framework. You cannot defeat moral arguments with facts and reason. People will sacrifice for a just cause, but not for a logical explanation. It turns out that Ben Shapiro’s line about facts not caring about your feelings is just another trick to prevent a moral people from standing on their morals to oppose the moral framework of the Left.


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370H55V
370H55V
1 year ago

“It is important to note that the only two issues the Right has had any success in America are guns and abortion.”

Three issues: don’t fuck with the homeschoolers.

Unknownsailor
Unknownsailor
1 year ago

“You cannot defeat moral arguments with facts and reason. People will sacrifice for a just cause, but not for a logical explanation.”

Vox Day called that years ago when he explained that you cannot use dialectic (facts and reason) on rhetorical (persuasion) thinkers. Rhetorical thinkers literally cannot understand a dialectic argument, as their brain doesn’t work that way.

BluegrassMan
BluegrassMan
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’ll send this to him. Why shoot right against an ally? Intellectual envy?

BluegrassMan
BluegrassMan
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Seriously, why shoot right? What’s gained?

BluegrassMan
BluegrassMan
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

So insulting someone with the same goals is your Schlick? All those pretty words you string together and you can’t see that infighting is counterproductive?

Stephen Dowling Bots, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Bots, Dec'd
Reply to  BluegrassMan
1 year ago

“All those pretty words you string together and you can’t see that infighting is counterproductive?” Such earnest concern! Such agonized worry! My, what sage you must be! Tell us, how did Vox ‘Insufferably Pompous While High On The Scent of His Own Flatulence’ Day respond to the gospel you are preaching here? I’d go read your sermons for myself but I can’t bear exposure to the unifying, not-at-all-divisive blasts of ‘mid wit’ and ‘sexual hierarchy’ nonsense that gushes from his site like effluvia from a firehose another time. Your crusade must be fascinating to see over there, though! Please ask… Read more »

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

Everyone’s thinking with their emotions on this. The abortion issue is one person’s feelings against another person’s feelings. The ‘morality’ of it is concocted and chimerical. If you can’t see that, if you’re blinding by religion, then you’re not fit to judge. This discussion proves to me that nobody, absolutely nobody – left, right, or dissident – is fit to rule.

Except apparently me.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

Explain to me how our system of do’s and dont’s isn’t turned on it’s head when we allow the killing off of babies in the womb? How can anyone then say murder is bad? Or stealing? Or torching cities? If an unborn baby’s life means nothing, then everything means nothing. There is absolutely zero logic backing up our entire system of laws. Everything falls apart, and it has. So whether you look at it from a moral or religious point of view, it doesn’t matter, as a purely pragmatic matter it has been disastrous for law and order. It is… Read more »

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

And the votes are coming in as predicted. Alright, what is my unique perspective on this and why can no one else around here see it? You can’t see it relates to the environment and I am clearly the only one around here who is pro-environment (and on that account currently anti-human). It’s a matter of instinctive population control (and, by the way, it’s also exactly the same instinct that causes everyone on this forum, including me, to believe that immigration should be limited.) I’m the one being consistent here. Look, the abortion issue is one person’s feelings against another… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

How is it about feelings when you are killing something that only wants to live? It’s basic nature. Do you have any concept of how nature works? Have you ever tended a garden? Nurtured a seed into a plant. Ever see grass puncture concrete? Ever raised a puppy? Could you somehow will that puppy to stop growing and will out of him his desire to continue and grow? Good luck if he doesn’t bite your dick off. You seem completely oblivious to the actual world around you. Yours is just a shallow understanding of life and quite boring and superficial… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

I agree lets start with you. If another human has no right to life based on anything but feelings then neither do you.

David
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

I might support aborting entire ethnic groups of people, or IQs below 100, but not if it includes a single one of mine.

Frip
Member
1 year ago

It’s good the Right sticks it to the Left about abortion. If Lefty was capable of policing itself and not allowing late-term abortions, then I’d say let’s everyone just keep quiet about it being legal. But like with everything, give Lefty an inch and they take a mile. And are viciously righteous about it to boot. So screw them. Personally, I gave up finding the right answer on it about 20 years ago. Same with dropping the 2 bombs on Japan, killing and making sick-for-life some 160,000 people. I get the various arguments for and against. On the bomb, my… Read more »

Memebro
Memebro
1 year ago

I’m late posting this but this is the point I’d like to add to the conversation: You might notice that the strongest passions among the “normie right”, the neutered version of the right that is mainstream American conservatism, is centered around innocence and children. Killing unborn babies is monstrous, and the pro-life movement is the one moral crusade that “Red America” has been allowed to indulge in emotionally. The other place that they’ve been allowed to channel their moral passions is the child transgender and grooming nonsense. This stuff is deeply unpopular even among many moderate liberals. Again, when innocent… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Memebro
1 year ago

Funny how we have to “incorporate the protection of children into as many of our arguments as we can”.

That should be a biological and evolutionary self evident truth.

Adults are supposed to protect and defend children.

The fact that it is even a question shows just how lost we are.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

Do it for the children? Yeah that’s been around for a while now. And the Left has it covered. Don’tcha know? Studies …and a zillion personal stories show, that everything our elders told us about raising kids…actually damages them. Encourage your son to join the cheerleading squad. Otherwise he’s in for a lifetime of pain.

miforest
Member
1 year ago

An absolutely correct observation Z. Nothing will cause you as much guilt later in life . the catholic church has a special program to help deal wit the guilt of abortion that absolutely plagues them decades after it happened .

Anson Rhodes
Anson Rhodes
Reply to  miforest
1 year ago

The Catholic church causes the guilt in the first place.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Anson Rhodes
1 year ago

Not true. The guilt is real, regardless of the religion or lack thereof

fakeemail
fakeemail
1 year ago

A hot take: 1) Life begins at conception. It is LIFE. 2) It is definitely a HUMAN LIFE by the 6th week or so when there is a heartbeat and brain activity. 3) In a decent and sane society, abortion should ONLY occur in events of rape or serious birth defects. And it should happen sooner rather than later in the pregnancy. 4) At this critical inflection point of total insanity and civil war, I don’t know that I care if Leftists get abortions. To paraphrase Napolean, don’t stop an enemy if they are destroying themselves. We’re too far gone… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

Re: 4)

I can understand a traditional/conservative woman deciding that, barring rape or medical necessity, she will never consider getting an abortion. What I can’t understand is a conservative woman thinking that it’s wise to force motherhood on the sort of woman who is gung-ho about infanticide. Furthermore, I really don’t understand nominally Christian people who would bridle at having unwanted moral norms imposed on them turning right around and attempting to impose unwanted moral norms on others.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Drew
1 year ago

If you believe the unborn is a human life, then imposing the “moral norm” of no abortion on the mother is the same as imposing that the mother not murder someone on the street. The point is that there is another party/person here besides the mother with rights unto. Our terrible society has trivialized (and pornified) sex that it’s not understood that sex is a deeply important and profound physical/psycological/spiritual act in which the purpose is to CREATE LIFE. Abortion is a hideous and tragic thing, and it’s even more hideous and tragic when sluts carelessly get knocked-up and treat… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Drew
1 year ago

“it’s wise to force motherhood” Blocking abortion does not “force” motherhood. There are a myriad of options that have nothing to do with abortion to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. And, there are options after childbirth in terms of adoption. “I really don’t understand nominally Christian people who would bridle at having unwanted moral norms imposed on them”. You have moral norms imposed on you all the time. One of them is called “murder” which is straight up out of the Bible “thou shalt not kill”. Your issue is that you know it’s killing…you just don’t care…and you want that power… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

All I know is this, when my son first came In being, at that moment of conception, I could feel it. Like a silent signal through the air, he let me know. I am sure most parents can report the same. Life begins at conception. Why this was ever an argument baffles me. Now granted, we can decide how to treat it, can compromise on when and at what point an abortion makes sense to us as a culture, but that it is a form of murder should have never been removed from the conversation. The gravity of what we… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

beautifully written.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

Hot take: most non whites will become your enemy, white man. History is written by the winners. Do you want to please God or do you want to win?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Allowing abortion has allowed our culture to unravel into the current immoral hell. It has hurt blacks more because they, if you ask me, need a much tighter leash to keep them on the straight and narrow. No abortion and I seriously doubt the black community would be as messed up as it is. I know it sounds counterintuitive, that limiting the birthrate of blacks would be good for whites, but that clearly has not happened. Our situation has gotten worse, and meanwhile the lack of a clear moral position wrt life has allowed the legal system to collapse upon… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Abortion has, on balance, helped our people, given our recent circumstances. God doesn’t care, as far as I can discern

David
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Even if God was out if the equation, i think abortion has fueled the hookup culture, which robs women of husbands. Abortion also denigrates a woman’s perspective on babies. They call them “crotch goblins” and hellraisers because they dont get to bang bad boys anymore. Abortion has been postured as some amazing victory for women that they must take advantage of by dedicating their lives to travel and office work, instead of families Just my opinion.

Falcone
Falcone
1 year ago

So we had the “ok boomer” meme going for some time

Looking forward to twisting it to “ok groomer” and throwing right back into the faces of LGBTQ millennials he he

Ok groomer

Gunner Q
1 year ago

Conservatives have failed to stop abortion for decades because they refuse to tell a woman No. They’ll go after the clinics and abortionists but they’ve NEVER blamed the women for seeking or getting abortions. Never. No laws, no shaming, only freebies like adoption and maternity care. Now they’re celebrating Big Brother giving them permission to ban abortion. But it’s just an election play. The November election is coming up and the Biden Regime is expected to lose catastrophically. With this one act, they’ve mobilized their voting base like nothing else could. A lot of that “November election” is done ahead… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 year ago

So many “Nos” the right failed to tell woman.

No, you can’t be a slut with low-lives and be spared of the consequences or be “celebrated” as a single mom.

No, you can’t get welfare for your bastards.

No, you can’t have kids and career.

No, you shouldn’t have a career or waste your life in school.

No, you’re not as fertile (or pretty) at 35 as you are at 22.

No, you cannot nag or psychologically harass your husband without expecting a physical consequence.

No, you can’t have equal women’s sports leagues because they’re boring and make no money.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

No, you can’t stud your face with hideous metallic acne and go out in public.

That one would be at the top of my list.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

So you’re a fishingtacklephobe….

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 year ago

I bet we could reduce the number of women seeking abortion if men were punished with death for impregnating a woman to whom they were not married. It’s funny how so many want to say the problem is that women aren’t told no, as if like the Virgin Mary, they are impregnated by mysterious, indiscernible means. In reality, an unwanted pregnancy is the result of two people, one of which is a man, not wanting to be responsible for their actions.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Drew
1 year ago

I don’t see anybody suggesting capital punishment for unmarried women who get pregnant. What we’re suggesting is that celebrating and subsidiging this behavior is detrimental to society and should cease.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Drew
1 year ago

Yes, a man who carelessly knocks up a woman is no great shakes and men should be taught to be responsible. But a woman has more culpability in this transaction in general.

Women are the sexually/reproductively more valuable and they choose. Men compete/perform, and women choose. Eggs expensive; sperm cheap.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Drew
1 year ago

“I bet we could reduce the number of women seeking abortion if men were punished with death for impregnating a woman to whom they were not married.” That is EXACTLY the conservative mindset. “We want women to stop doing this. How can we punish men in order to accomplish it?” How about we ALSO criminalize women for getting pregnant out of wedlock? How about prison sentences for abortion tourists? If a man crosses state lines to kill a baby, his life is OVER, but if a woman does it then the taxpayer reimburses her. We have enough laws against men.… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 year ago

This issue is not going to drive “their base” to vote. Abortion is actually getting pretty rare these days. You basically have the screamers and the shriekers out there, but they don’t have the ability to sustain this. I would wager that most of the upset women are a) white and b) over 60 years old. And it matters not that the regime is expected to lose in a wave election this fall. First of all, your assumption is that elections are legitimate and cannot be rigged. That’s why you lost in 2020 and why they held onto the House… Read more »

ChrisZ
ChrisZ
Reply to  hokkoda
1 year ago

Solid comment. Especially the insight that RvW being overturned was the *opposite* of what the GOP saw as going according to plan. Love the man or hate him, the Trump Disruption was/is a consequential moment in history that revealed many ugly truths about the operations of the country.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  Gunner Q
1 year ago

Friar Lawrence said it best in Romeo and Juliet. ‘Women may fall when there is no strength in men.’

3g4me
3g4me
1 year ago

Zman, just read your Taki post. Well done. Love the “who versus how” in which, of course, brings to the right mind “who>whom.” Also kudos on the ending. Alien rulers naturally prefer other aliens to heritage Americans. How many Whites still consider themselves as such, or even retain sufficient intellect to understand the difference between them and their principled neighbor Sandeep, remains an open question. But of course, those who consider little Bennie a champion of muh magic constitution, rather than of his own people, are the usual idiots.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Seconded. The money line from Z’s Taki column:

“The real impact of Dobbs is in reminding the white remnant that what matters is who decides, not how they decide. ”

I cannot think of a clearer expression of this basic truth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

All Christians SUCKS!

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

They tend to do well with verb and noun agreement, though.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

Well pack it up boys and girls. We just got schooled! I am hanging my head in shame IRL… really.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

Maybe you suck. So this would be projection on your part.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Anonymous
1 year ago

I’m guessing your other go to comment is;

I know you are, but what am I?

Bilejones
Member
1 year ago

The good news is that the overturning of R v W doesn’t matter.

The bad news is why:

There’s no need for abortions anymore anyway. Women just aren’t getting pregnant.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/depopulation-of-taiwan

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

It seems like this would be demonstrable across the world, although in some nations the drop would be spread out over a few months because of the slower uptake of the vaccines.

I’m not arguing that he’s incorrect – my gut feeling is that he’s right over the target – but if this can be shown to have occurred in other countries, particularly East Asian countries where the vax rollout was sudden and comprehensive, then it’s an open and shut case.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Wasn’t the injection in Australia and NZ similarly rapid? I’d be very interested in seeing how their fertility numbers have fared.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

KGB: Per the self-proclaimed blogging genius, there’s this:
“Similar 10-12 percent declines have been observed in the UK, North Dakota, and Switzerland. But the worst case observed to date is in Taiwan, where the government announced “the birth rate dropped by 23.24% in May 2022, compared to May 2021.”

And also in Germany:
https://ussanews.com/2022/06/25/dramatic-decline-in-births-in-germany/

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

There is a lot more going on that the vax.

I mean it could be a side effect or it could be you know and no one wants to bring kids into what they see will be very bad times.

A 10% decline would fit the psychological effects of the quarantine and the economy as well.

Nowhere is untouched by this madness after all .

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

This is why I suspect the elites allowed conservatives a win on this one. The issue hardly matters anymore from a practical standpoint.

All the cuckservatives who used to be crushed by the attack of “what have conservatives ever conserved?” have an answer: Overturning Roe!

All the conservatives who had their doubts about the Republican party find their hearts filled with a renewed sense of loyalty to the GOP.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

I think the controllers also wanted to get their base fired up and distract them from all the economic and foreign policy problems that are happening.

I’m not sure if the controllers really want CW2. Maybe only a certain faction want that whereas another faction understands a split US is really going to put the crimp in their international war agenda.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

It matters insofar as it sets a tone for what is and what is not legally sanctioned behavior and hopefully in time it will flow through the society at large and restore the dignity and sanctity of life among the future generations. We can be glad we are finally moving out of this hideous chapter of American life. On a larger point, my feelings and position on morality are well known. If this helps to tell people that murder is bad, that humans are precious at all ages and stages of development, it will be a positive for the culture.… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Falcone: All you write applies to people. I question – in all seriousness and all morality – whether blacks qualify on all metrics. They are a distantly related subspecies to Whites, but I truly don’t know that I consider them fully human.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

3g4me, I have no idea what they are or what I am. Yes, we belong to the same taxonomical table in a textbook, and we can breed with each other, but outside of that what they are in relation to me is what it is and isn’t ever going to change. I know that being around them can feel like our energies are at war with each other, that our “vibes” are fighting, and they get nervous which in turn may make me antsy. And I know they are prone to violence, so it’s best to avoid them. I know,life… Read more »

Stephanos Xytegenios
Stephanos Xytegenios
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Ah, so “non-whites” are subhuman now, huh?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Apparently biology is not your strong point.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

Yep. And male fertility is plummeting. The German fertility rate dropped by 10% over the last few years. Wonder why?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

Maybe it’s a natural response because we are waiting too long to have babies, if we do at all, so the parts of our bodies that relate to reproduction fall into something like a state of dormancy, or perhaps perpetual dormancy. I mean I think I know my body pretty well, and I can see that if I don’t use the equipment God gave me that my testicles might just say, ok, we quit, no sense in doing all this work for nothing. Take a holiday. Then it’s a permanent vacation. It may also be due to women and the… Read more »

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

You mean that politics is downstream from culture. And culture, according to John C. Wright is downstream from religion. And religion, I say, is downstream from the meaning of “life, the universe, everything.”

mikey
mikey
1 year ago

The same is true of the word “groomer” which is not only factually accurate, but it also lays bear the moral implications of the sexual revolution. The implications of the matter of which you write is a denial of the agency of females, something not only feminists should oppose but humans in general. Even a three-year old girl has enough agency to tie her parents and siblings in knots, they are hardly defenseless. The fact is that the real criminals in this sorry state of affairs are the parents of the “groomed”, who failed in their child’s upbringing and produced… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  mikey
1 year ago

mikey: The standard conservatards complain the police say this is not against the law. I say it’s against all morality and decency, and those at fault are the putative parents, who deserve eternal fire.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/fully-nude-bicyclists-flash-children-seattle-pride-parade-cops-say-okay-video/

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

What normal, loving parent would ever expose their children to this horror show?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 year ago

Ironically, Z-man has never written anything more useful than this highly rational, logically argued piece. The article is lapidary, and it should be required reading for any member of the DR.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

More a forehead slap, V-8 type moment for me.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Z-man’s missive is a variation on the claim that “you can not dissuade someone from an opinion formed by emotion with facts and reason”. This has been posted here before. Another good example aside from gun and abortion rights is what we are seeing at the local school board level around the country with the concern about CRT and the implicit “grooming” of school children as young as 5yo by transsexual teachers. These meetings are fraught with emotional outbursts and few—if any—reasoned (as in facts) arguments. And they are effective in the main. School boards here are being replaced via… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Normal people will become unemployable if they object. Shortly before I left my last gig, my employers hired a tranny to a high position. This is a Mormon company. In their defense, they were probably terrified of lawsuits if they didn’t hire this thing.

If I would have said on the Zoom call, “This is disgusting bullshit!” I would have lost my job and become unemployable. So I bit my tongue.

Control of the media is everything. Unfortunately, control of the media is fascism, which most of you reject.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Why is it Fascism?

If you do not control the media, then someone else does, and as you point out those that control the media control society.

The idea that regulating the media is wrong comes from those controlling the media for the last 80 years.

Don’t listen to the Hypnotoad telling you its wrong to restrict the Hypnotoad.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

Exactly.

Pavlov’s Hypnotoad is one powerful toad.

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 year ago

Shapiro delenda est

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
1 year ago

A regulatory change making “morning after” pills available over the counter like 30+ other western countries fixes all this.

That’s not the point though. Abortions, the latter the better, really are a sacrament to many people.

Not to mention a political base centered around funding and organizing (Planned Parenthood, anyone).

To the left, it hasn’t been about birth control or babies for decades. To the right, it really was about life and death.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

I doubt this will happen in the US because trafficking infant parts is a multibillion dollar industry.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

The most powerful argument in support of gun rights is the right to self defense. Someone is home invaded by a thug, they have the right to protect themselves. When a liberal denies this, they only have one leg to stand on. “Call the police.” At that point you say, “yes, call the police so they can draw a chalk line around my body and call the coroner.” Then they have to argue that society “isn’t that dangerous, and not worth the needles gun crimes.” At best you would have to be in some Icelandic fishing village to make this… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

“mostly peaceful society”

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

When every second counts, the police are just minutes away

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

And once they get there, they’ll arrest YOU for for doing what they can’t or won’t.

Le Comte
Le Comte
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Old truism: a city man is moving his family in his horse drawn wagon from Arkansas to Texas in the 1800’s. Before he gets into Texas, he stops at a general store for supplies. He asks the owner if he will need a gun in Texas. Purveyor replies “well, you may and you may not, but if you do, you’re gonna need it in a hurry.”

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

It also doesn’t hurt to have an army of full time lobbyists working on your cause. But, I also agree with the moral cause rationale. After all, these lobbies would not really exist if not for the moral crusade behind them.

Bilejones
Member
1 year ago

” The ancients observed that men would fight like lions in defense of their own lands but became quite conservative when they crossed into the enemy’s lands. ” I’ve been mulling over the fact that my dog follows this rule. When we are out walking he will always try to drag me over to any other dog we come across so he can establish himself as top dog. We often walk past a couple of yards with dogs running loose within the bounds of their wireless fence collars and my dog is content to leave them unaccosted in their own… Read more »

davidcito
davidcito
1 year ago

Facts and logic are powerful tools between intellectuals and close friends of high IQ. The last two days however has made it clear to me that only moral grandstanding, ridicule, and shaming are effective on most people. Several liberal women I know are going insane shaming men on social media. They’ve actually convinced themselves that we are the immoral ones for thinking chopping up babies is wrong. They’ll add in we hate living children because we don’t support the expansion of endless welfare. I usually reply with data, at which point I’m called a piece of shit for not supporting… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

I believe that you’re right. That is, if we must engage this Evil, then we must simply call it by it’s real name: Evil. No facts. No reason. Of course, not wasting time on these people is probably even more important. We know that the lines have been drawn, I am more judgmental and willing to cut ties or leave someone hanging if I detect any Wokeness or the like, than ever before. Evil is upping it’s game, and it is masquerading as Good because it knows it can fool some of us. But when we discern Evil, that’s when… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

You have failed to grasp that most people can only deal in rhetoric. Your “facts and evidence and data” are heard as “blah blah blah, I’m a fascist..blah blah blah.” They are completely incapable of taking in information and formulating an opinion with it. They respond only to propaganda, preferably in the form of a short slogan like “woman’s right to chose” That is why pictures of a coat hanger are so effective. It doesn’t even matter that nobody has metal coat hangers anymore. People have been subjected to propaganda on TV, radio, film and public schooling for so long… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Vox Day, for all his other issues, has been on point for quite a while about bringing the rhetorical fire.

Kralizec
Kralizec
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

I’ve never found them to be all that agreeable.

hokkoda
Member
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

“Part of this is because women and liberal men both score high in openness and agreeableness while scoring low in conscientiousness.”

Kinda like a sociopath.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

Conservacucks spent decades saying “democrats are the real racists” or “Republican Lincoln freed the slaves ya know” but these shitlibs did not land on their back foot until people started calling them antiwhite and started doing early life checks. Then the mask fully comes off. So it is with the Moloch worshippers, the baby killers, and the groomers. The leftists know who they are and what they are doing, which is why they recoil at this and only this.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 year ago

> It is important to note that the only two issues the Right has had any success in America are guns and abortion. Would argue homeschooling would be an even stronger success story. It went from illegal in most states to unrestricted in many and extremely lax in most. The reason for success is a lot of what Z said, relentless moral argumentation backed up by tangible benefits. Their political strategies are also very effective, engaging in ruthless lawfare on even the slightest infringement on homeschooling whether on the state or local level. And while the population of homeschoolers is… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

In what States is homeschooling illegal?

Zog
Zog
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

Well, In 1979, John Singer was shot to death in Utah for homeschooling his kids.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

I would add that the biggest reason for the success of homeschooling has been the positive results. Almost every homeschooled kid you meet is better educated and better at interpersonal relationships than the average–contrary to claims of the opposition. I usually offer the examples from my own extended family. I have a cousin who (with his remarkable wife) homeschools their three children. The oldest, a 13-year old boy, is building a plane with his father (a commercial airline pilot and former Navy aviator). The younger daughters are equally smart and talented. Their academic and social achievements are far above and… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

God bless them.

Great to hear stories of successful home schooling, but, as mentioned, it seems that success is really the norm.

My wife and I are having backbiters and the like casting aspersions on our intent to homeschool our sons. The classic is: they might not be ‘normal’. Or, when learning of our focus on Greek Orthodoxy as a key element to the children’s cultural education: don’t turn it into a cult!

Goodness me.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

OrangeFrog: Best of luck and stay the course.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

With weakminded foes such as that, I’m confident OF will do just fine. Not that he couldn’t handle himself against an army of Copernicuses, of course…

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

They are more scared they might be normal.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

If “they might not be normal” means they know what a woman is, the backbiters have a point.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

How is that even a thing that does not result in a beating?

I mean really, its the most intentionally insane right of obedience to deny your own family, your birth, your bodies biology, the entire animal kingdom and every waking moment of your entire life.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

Matters are cultually distinct on your side of the pond. No one around me bats an eye when told that so-and-so’s children are being home schooled. It’s one issue where normie-cons get it. Now, that wasn’t the case all that long ago, so here’s hoping that you can affect that same cultural change in Albion.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Perfidious Albion, wot…

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

The only case where turning out “weird” from homeschooling would be an issue is with an only child. I didn’t have any siblings and going to school was an adjustment just learning to deal with the idea that other people can be antagonistic, a lesson I’d hate to have to learn as a teenager or even worse as an adult.

Having local homeschooling groups where the parents take turns and give the kids some socialization with each other would solve that issue.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

Outdoorspro: Disagree. Not that there aren’t positive real-life examples of home schooling – that is a definite fact – but that that’s what persuades so many. I still routinely hear the claim that home-schooled kids are weird or asocial spergs. Doesn’t matter if you have facts and reason on your side – most people’s positions are a function of social pressure and media lies, and an army of opposing facts won’t move them.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Opponents of homeschooling like to claim that the kids “are weird or asocial spergs”, but the evidence does not support that claim. It doesn’t really matter much what most people think.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Fortunately, most of the women in my family work minimally and raise lots of great kids. Never known such a consistent group of great, moral women. Pretty sure they can all cook. The men tend to be the hands-on type that can work hard and fix things. Basically, the type of families I think most of us would like to see a lot more of.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

The world does not need any more “smart and talented” women working in cubes or women who can fix their own car. It needs smart and talented women raising children. Let us hope he is raising them to value that and not to be a childless wage slave. The real question is “can they cook?”

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

Took three teenage homeschoolers and my 15 year old to the range yesterday.
I have never had so many firearms, shooters, targets & magazines swapped in/ out with zero change in my blood pressure.
There is hope for the future.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

I daresay homeschooled kids are better and smarter than their goverment-indoctrinated peers, not primarily because the quality of the education is better, but because they are the progeny of superior parents.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

I think an even bigger reason for HS is the insanity that goes on in too many public schools. Jeez, even private schools are getting in on the tranny act in our area. As for HS kids being higher achievers, well, we HS’d our 4 and they are just good, average kids doing regular jobs. But what I really care about is that they are moral kids who believe in God and they have avoided 14+ years of public school indoctrination.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

I’d say school is only helpful/beneficial for the top 10-20% of students who are “fast bloomers” in terms of looks and applying themselves.

The vast majority undergo HARM by being anonymous nobodies in an impersonal environment of strangers; let alone those that are bullied.

And how in the hell are most adolescent boys supposed to really concentrate and learn in co-ed (and sexualized) environments?

Boys should be taught skills and not sit in boring ass classrooms looking at some old bitty.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Unless I’ve misunderstood, AZ this year has gone to funding follows the child wrt public education. This means that charter schools and what not are paid for.

Curious Monkey
Curious Monkey
1 year ago

From the Taki piece. This is gold: “For professional conservatives, Dobbs is like seeing Big Foot riding a unicorn. They are questioning their sanity.” Controlled opposition gotta control opposition. Conservative Inc counts on keeping the left’s morals as de facto while asking people for money every election to never change the status quo. Leftie inc uses Conservative Inc to scare the believers into donate blue, giving to BLM and PP, knowing things will go their way at the end. They work as a Cartel. Dobbs is definitely a political Tsunami, Trump’s legacy is Big Foot riding a Unicorn, a sight… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Curious Monkey
1 year ago

It never ceases to amaze me when they pull the old “Mitch McConnel is a far right fascist” routine to get the money out of lefty’s pocket. They actually managed to paint old Mitt Romney as a far right extremist back when he ran for president.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

And who can forget Bushitler? Bullshitler was far closer to the truth.

Bilejones
Member
1 year ago

Kunstler approaches RvW with a different perspective.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-time-of-our-time/

His dystopia is increasingly unavoidable, it seems.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

Kunstler is very good at throwing cold water on the techno-futurists, but I think he misses the mark on other things like women. For instance, he ends the article with: “Out of all that suffering will eventually come a new respect for human life and reconstructed relations between men and women, with all the abstruse ambiguities, pretensions, and nebulosities about sex put aside for some future age of decadence” If his future comes to pass, this is not going to be worked out. What will happen is women will go back to being the property of men, first their father’s,… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bilejones
1 year ago

Agreed, Bile. JHK is looking more and more prescient. However, I’m slightly less optimistic about his cosy, arts and crafts version of the new future. I think it will more be like a mix of Escape from New York City and Night of the Living Dead

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
1 year ago

You can disagree with the religiosity of the following statement, but bear with me. the Bible points out that murder brings a “curse” upon the land. Abortion is murder. You can argue about what a “curse” actually is, but America today is “cursed”.

Me, I’m waiting for the next shoe to drop. The abortion ruling and the New York gun case have reversed course for TPTB. I can’t help but wonder what’s up.

Stephanos Xytegenios
Stephanos Xytegenios
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
1 year ago

Considering that the RvW supporters went from “pro-choice” to pro-abortion within two generations suggests to me that America is cursed. Not even the Laconians (Spartans) who practiced eugenicide did so with the amount of bloodthirsty glee the pro-abortion people have.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
1 year ago

They want riots. It’s a comprehensive, planned demolition.

Maniac
Maniac
1 year ago

Funny how the same crowd who were all in favor of mandatory vaccines have a newfound appreciation for bodily autonomy.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Maniac
1 year ago

It’s almost like they’re hypocrites!

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

As has been pointed out before, the pejorative hypocrite to the liberal is no longer freighted with its damning indictment of yore. No, today’s elites are possessed of an infinitely malleable set of mores that even Mr. Fantastic, Reed Richards would be envious of.

Their badge of honor as it were.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

Norm MacDonald cured me of ever using that word again, when discussing the Cosby case. As he astutely pointed out, the worst part was the raping, then the drugging, and then maybe the scheming. Much farther down the list was hypocrisy. The more time one spends fretting about the hypocrisy of his enemies, the more leisurely their victories.

God bless the ol’ chunk of coal.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Yeah, the charge of hypocrisy seems to never grow old with Conservatives. I suspect it’s because hypocrisy, or lack thereof, is a Conservative value—but it ain’t a Leftist value, so why bring it up. Use it yourself.

Don’t let your virtues be used against you. Leave them at the door, handle business, then pick them up when you leave. As 3g4me is fond of saying (I paraphrase here) your virtues are for your people, no others.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Maniac
1 year ago

Hilariously, pro-abortion rallies pushing a woman’s sacred right to bodily autonomy require a vaccine passport to enter….

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 year ago

The compartmentalization of the various mind worms implanted by the media means that there is no contradiction for them for these 2 facts.

The many worms exist independently and concurrently and switch control depending on the situation. There is no person with a unified mind to talk to.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

Partitioned hard drives.

Dr. Mabuse
Dr. Mabuse
1 year ago

Conservative, Inc. always regarded the pro-life segment of their voting base with disdain, as beasts of burden to drag their chariot where they wanted to go, but never to be actually listened to. That was at the core of their oh-so-clever “socially liberal, but fiscally conservative” tap dance; a way of signalling that money and materialism were what really counted, and all the talk about abortion was just a necessary carrot to keep the animals in line.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Dr. Mabuse
1 year ago

“Socially liberal, but fiscally conservative” is an oxymoron. It could never exist in reality, even if sincerely pursued.

How do you have any kind of fiscal discipline or restraint in an immoral society? Instead you get demon-possessed thieves looting the public treasury when they’re not too busy grooming kids.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Dr. Mabuse
1 year ago

Can you blame them? Most of us smelly, abortion hating conservatives don’t even know how to knot a bow tie. Shameful!

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Let’s go deeper. In politics, we pretend to “fight” over ideas and even moral principles. When the Conservatives “fight” and lose, they bend over, smile, and admonish everyone to VOTE HARDER because the carrot is now a nanometer closer. When the Progressives lose, they get to riot, burn, and run amok under the protective shield of the media and LEOs, who have their back should any Nazis show up. But what would life be like if the castrated Conservative or the insane Leftist had to go a few rounds with Mike Tyson whenever they entered the political ring? What if… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

Notice that after Rittenhouse brought some Big Iron justice, the rioters became a lot less motivated. There’s a reason they tried to take down anyone who defended their community.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Correct. What always amazed me was how those idiots thought they could attack a person (Rittenhouse) armed with a semi-auto rifle. No fear.

This mindset can only come from a life experience of Leftist ascendency and no consequences for behavior. We need to strive to change this mindset by whatever future activities we (DR) undertake. That doesn’t necessarily mean violence, only accountability for unlawful actions.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

TomA: All I could think of was how useful a massive horsewhip would be as I scrolled past pictures of shrieking harpies.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Ah, but some of them would like it…

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
1 year ago

“… the gun people launched a crusade against the gun grabbers in every state and locality. Their task has always been to anathematize gun grabbing and the gun grabbers.”
100% true. It was the gun grabbers themselves who convinced me to buy my first firearm. Shrieking Karen’s and scolding yentals from the suburb next door passing blatantly unconstitutional restrictions was finally enough to get me off the couch and turn off the grill.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

Only reason I bought an AR-15 was all the anti-gun people saying/telling me I shouldn’t have one.

Made by Wyndham Weaponry it’s a nice one but the overall design is a disaster ergonomically; still prefer all my World War II Milsurps ;<)

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 year ago

The Left: antigun, antibaby, antiwhite.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

Hence my bumper sticker:

Liberals with babies, if they ain’t killing them they’re fukking them

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

Jack: Ironic that one might be able to get away with a bumper sticker saying that. But turn it around and you’re a notsee (Pro-gun, pro-baby, pro-White).

The real Bill
The real Bill
1 year ago

Excellent insight! Entirely in line with the discovery by psychologists that we humans generally tend to act first— based on our instant moral intuition about a situation— and only later, enlist reason to provide a plausible rationale purporting to explain why we did what we did. A ‘reason’ for our action which often turns out to be bogus. And what distinguishes moral belief from other forms of knowledge? A: Morality can be seen as ‘knowledge reinforced by emotion’; knowledge which is not simply ‘dry’ knowing, but which contains an emotional component. > And it is emotions which provide us with… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

In that sense, morality is akin to religion: both are beliefs characterized by significant emotional investment on the part of the believer, in the belief being both true, and compelling. I have no emotional investment in my belief that ‘the moon is 250,000 miles from the Earth’; if that turns out to be false, it has no effect on the rest of my life. The fact means nothing to me either way. By contrast, I’m emotionally-invested in my belief that ‘the right to defend oneself is a basic human right’: I experience that belief as being more than mere knowledge,… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

One of those beliefs have an immediate impact on your personal well being. Assuming the distance to the moon reflects a constant and any change in the measurement is due to previous error rather than a true change in its prior distance, it has no impact.

So obviously yes, the right to self defense carries more emotional investment. That does not make it any less rational.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Nothing is more rational than the desire/urge/instinct to preserve your life.

It’s an urge we share with every other living creature.

Stephanos Xytegenios
Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

The main problem with the Dissident Right in regards to having a moral and rational core to fight and win battles is that the Dissident Right has no fraternity within the group, and subsequently no moral standard to rally around aside from opposing the opposition. Take the Russians for example. The Russian knows who he is, a child of an ethnos at least a millenium old. His ancestors shed their blood in defense of Rus, He holds both the cultural and moral ethos of Mother Russia. The Holy Orthodox Faith gives him the framework with which to view the world.… Read more »

btp
Member
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

This is why Christendom was such a great idea. It’s also why America will have to break up into smaller groups who know how to answer your question.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Harsh.
Difficult to read, but true nonetheless.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

Yeah, Stepho is usually a dick whose arguments are just rants against his hillbilly neighbors, but he makes some good points here. I’ve made similar points myself, particularly about the DR and Christianity. I’m not religious, but even I can see that the DR needs the level of commitment and cooperation that, right now, I only see with white Christians.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Stephanos Xytegenios: Such a promising start, only to devolve into your standard anti-White American sperging. Yes, the Russians have a common language, history, and culture. But you ignore the historic divisions and contentions – Russia was not born out of rainbow farts and unicorns. Like all other nations, it was born out of conflict between some men of principle and some men of greed and some men of courage. In other words, like all other White nations. England, or France, or Germany had those same contentious histories, along with their own common languages and culture. To lump them in with… Read more »

Stephanos Xytegenios
Stephanos Xytegenios
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Russia, has no roots in Greece and Rome!? So, I am just hallucinating the imperial eagle that Russia takes for her standard? I am hallucinating Russian Orthodoxy which was the state religion of the Roman Empire? I am hallicanting the Cyrillic alphabet that Russia uses which comes from the Greek Orthodox missionaries St. Cyril and Methodius? I’d suggest studying the history of Eastern Europe better before you get the urge to give us your hot takes on matters you know nothing about.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Stephanos: You are a hoot, sugar britches.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I’d question whether at this point Christianity represents a “shared morality”.

It seems to me that Christians are separated by the same issues other people are.

‘Progressive’ Christians and denominations have fully bought into all the dogmas of wokeness, even though doing so means ignoring large sections of the Bible. While Christians who take the Bible seriously still hold to traditional beliefs.

Stephanos Xytegenios
Stephanos Xytegenios
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

All I here is a bunch of sophistic nonsense from a eugenic materialist. Come up with a better script and try not to be so damn ignorant in regards to cultures and history.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

If a white person doesn’t know “who their fellow man to sacrifice is”, there is one metaphysical certainty.

Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Persians;

They know Whitey when they see him.

It’s really not that hard to figure out who ones “people” are. It takes effort/time and a desire to be with and help your people.

Whites are the only group I can think of who have this blind spot. Who have fallen for the brainwashing of multiculturalism so profoundly.

The good news is, is the time is coming when we will sort ourselves right quick.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Surprisingly fair points given your history. That said, you are forgetting a few things. First, for most of our history, American whites didn’t consider themselves to be one people. Sure, each of the different white tribes would call themselves “American” but they understand that they were really a Southerner or New Englander or a Texan, etc. Think of Bavarians. Are they German or Bavarian. Well, kind of both. The term anti-white is useful, but the truth is that American whites are a variety of peoples – both ethnically and culturally. There likely will never be “white” nationalism in America just… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

When we “Whites” were a majority of the nation’s population, we knew that Greeks were somewhat different than Italians, who were different than Germans, etc. I grew up in NYC. Hell, my childhood neighborhood “turned” Greek. We had all the neighborhoods you could imagine. We got along reasonably well despite minor cultural differences. But the above ethnic/cultural differences were (in hindsight) minor as compared to the major racial breakdowns by *continent*. In other words, we (NYC Whites) were acutely aware that Chinese, Negros, and Puerto Ricans were a different beast. The ethnic neighborhoods for these people *were* different and in… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Compsci: Note also that while I point out that Russia’s people and culture don’t have roots in Greece and Rome (factually and genetically true: Mongols, steppe people, Kievan Rus history, etc.), he counters by claiming Russian Orthodox was the official religion of the Roman Empire. And while the Cyrillic alphabet did, indeed, come from Cyril and Methodius – who both the Greeks and the East Europeans claim as their own – that written form does not equate to Russian being a romance or germanic root language. As far as my knowing nothing about Eastern Europe or Russia, well, it is… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Who was a Soviet and what was he fighting for? How is America, submerged under empire, all that different from the Russia of 30 or 40 years ago? How is DR all that different from Russian dissidents of that time?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

The problem with the original Russian Dissidents is that they ended up drinking in foreign countries as the Soviets outlasted them.

I can easily see the same thing happening in the west, but after 70 years the west will not have a similar population as to when exile started, unlike Russia which remained Russian even under Soviet government.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

I think the good news is we’re closer to 1991 than we think. Only so much more damage to be done, then it’s a matter of a nation’s will to live, which is really all it ever comes down to.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

Robert E. Lee(and other Southern men and women)answered your questions in 1861.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Stephanos Xytegenios
1 year ago

You start in the assumption that the DR wants fraternity, wants to have political impact. You seem in part aware of the fact that many on the DR prefer their obscurity and being seen as outsiders and then on the other condemning them for being as they are.

You are holding them to standards that are yours alone. Like getting mad a kid who wants to play football when you always dreamed he’d be a basketball player.

Iow don’t confuse your interests and passions for everyone else’s

imbroglio
imbroglio
1 year ago

“In the end, the lesson of the abortion movement for dissidents is that the way to defeat the moral framework of the Left is with an alternative moral framework.” “Two houses, each alike in dignity, in fair Verona where we lay our scene.” The war now gets waged in the majority of states that will legislatively enshrine Roe v. Wade. In light of the “men are our oppressors” meme that’s being revived here in off-the-charts country, and not just by furious cis-women, the feminists of yore had no self-doubt that they were speaking for all women, de-womanizing women who didn’t… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
1 year ago

Apropos of the point on fighting for a paycheck only goes so far, the great John Cale, in a song entitled “Mercenaries,” once sang, “They [mercs] have nothing more to keep them in a battle except a meagre wage, which is just enough to make them want to kill for you, but never enough to make them die for you.” Hehe

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

You make some excellent and profound points today. “The lesson here for those engaging in politics is that like war, politics is about morality, not facts and reason. ” This is very true, and another virtue in fighting for a cause is tenacity, which as you point out the pro-life movement demonstrated. ” The exception has been the two issues where professional conservatism has had little role, abortion and guns. It is important to note that professional conservatism has opposed the NRA over the years and they opposed Trump, who promised to fill the court with pro-life judges.” I’ve about… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

One hopes that Whites find the moral strength to band together to defend themselves from Anti-Whites.

Will they? Will they stop grilling long enough to have the tenacity of the antiabortion and pro gun cohorts, in order to defend each other from extinction?

Well done Z. I don’t know if it was intentional, but today’s post clarifies the need for Whites commitment to a moral cause.

The cause of White Survival.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

Not really. Look at CivNat stuff like CTH. 2 articles on the poor brown people being oppressed by the real racists and a picture that is entirely anti-white agitprop pretending to be anti-liberal.

They can’t even see their own gullets are full to the brim with the anti-white poison they have choked down over the years.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  trumpton
1 year ago

Oh yeah, boy did I ever notice that when I read the posts, and way more when I dove into the comments. With precious few exceptions there was not a whit of race realism to be found. CTH is the home of “Jesus loves the little children of the world” sentimentality, and for all of the often (selectively…) perceptive posts, this deficiency, failing to perceive the vehemence of the tribalism being deployed through multi-culturalism against us whites, strongly conditions my willingness to consider CTH as useful. They are CivNats to the bone in a world where this framework has become… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

What is the fate of the Williamson, Shapiro and the like if and when the changes are made? If we win will we be merciful or vengeful? If the Left wins will they be up against the wall with us?

They seem to be setting themselves up to suffer the fate of traitors either way. This almost makes it palatable if we lose.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Only two? That’s a pricey private charter.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Be quiet you. This’ll be fun to watch. Shapiro would get flung off as soon as Williamson stepped aboard; I gather he’s a a big boy.

Severian
1 year ago

To be fair to the Left, the OGs of their movement understood the concept of “useful idiots” very well. And –crucially — they knew that useful idiots can be found on both sides, and mobilized with the same basic “argument.” The Left has pretended to Fucking Love Science ™ from the very beginning. No one was more sexually aroused by Reason than Hegel, who got it from the French Revolutionaries. Young Hegel saw Young Napoleon the way Young Napoleon saw himself — as the avatar and culmination of the Revolution, which of course was Reason Incarnate (so much so that… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

In response to your exit question, I don’t think his confirmation hearing impacted Thomas’s thoughts on this case at all. This is consistent with his judicial philosophy. I am sure he enjoyed it very much though.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

Agreed but no doubt there was an element of revenge, however inadvertent, in overturning Roe on Biden’s watch.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

“Even Roberts is siding with Thomas on key issues.”

Usually when Roberts is certain the Left will prevail in opinions like Oberfell and Bostock, and even then sometimes writing concurrences to assuage the Left and his wife’s social life.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Also, to take it back a step, he’s a constitutionalist. You know, one of those crazy SoBs who believe that Scotus is there solely to deliberate on how issues and events relate to the US constitution.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

“Scotus is there solely to deliberate on how issues and events relate to the US constitution.”

Well that’s a function nowhere mentioned in the Constitution which created a Supreme Court to adjudicate disputes between the several States .

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Nice post. I don’t know if most people know about just how wacky the French Revolution was. For those interested, check out the Cult of Reason and Cult of Supreme Being. This stuff made America – it is why we have all those personifications of things such as science and liberty. Check out the US dollar educational series if you want to see how much these ideas influenced the US. Also, they are the most beautiful money we ever printed.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Eloi, the Jacobins are the perfect historical equivalent of today’s Dems: obsessed with ideological insanities as Thermidor edges ever closer.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

“(Exit question: How much of the Dobbs ruling was simply Clarence Thomas’s long-delayed revenge on Joe Biden for the “high tech lynching”? Most everyone forgot about that, huh? But Thomas has a long, long memory, and revenge is a dish best served cold).” No doubt revenge against Biden played a great/leading role, but Thomas also put the shiv into the faux Right members of the court, which is all of them save Alito, really, even though “conservatives” were in the majority. To wit, he forced Roberts’ concurrence, which boils down to “I/we really didn’t want to do this, please be… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

To be fair, they are constantly changing their ties so it’s hard to keep count.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Ties sb tits-f@cking auto correct

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Ha! I thought the ties might be purple.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Severian and Eloi, can you recommend a book on the Temples of Reason? I’ve always been fascinated by that historical event.

One of my best friends believes that if we’d all become atheists then the answers to all moral questions would become self-evident, which is, of course, foolishness on stilts. In the absence of an undisputed supernatural law giver then all moral questions reduce to “what do you prefer to put on your pizza?” It’s all personal preference. (Aristotle’s ethics are the only way to manage this problem and they’re not very satisfying.)

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Severian, I believe the “conservative”, such as it is, side of the court hit bottom upon the court’s refusal to address vote harvesting. There were solid reports of shouting the likes of which had never before been heard by court serfs standing outside guilded doors. That was Thomas and Alioto. In my imagination they suddenly accepted that their part in this entire play was futile and went to war–with the “conservatives”, that is to say the cucks. They became ferocious, and perhaps dismissive, of pandering. What did they have to lose? Absolutely nothing. No surprise Roberts can’t be brought around.… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Late to the party, but I’m posting a link to Thomas’ high-tech lynching monologue because it is an outstanding use of rhetoric in the modern era:

https://youtu.be/ZURHD5BU1o8

This makes me wish that we lived in the timeline where SCOTUS heard the election fraud cases and Thomas wrote the opinion decertifying Biden’s attempted installation.

B125
B125
1 year ago

Unsurprisingly, no riots, no looting, no burning. “Small but fierce” protests happened. Middle & upper class white women should have had more children if they wanted to keep having abortions. The average age of a white women is now probably 60. Old women wear pussy hats but don’t riot. Most POCs don’t really care either way especially those with low paternal investment on average. I think the best part of this will be the lawfare from the GOP to keep liberals out. Abortion bans (and maybe contraceptive bans) and open carry might help keep Idaho and other states red for… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Hindsight and experience are also powerful de-motivators too. The wanks over at Blab are getting laughing cramps at the “purple faced rage heads” that are all melting down on TikTok.

But for every one of those, I’ll bet there’s 10 or even 20 quiet, lonely little old ladies who keep to themselves with their regrets and they suffer in silence. They pished their child bearing years away in those cubicles and realized the emotional cost way to late in life.

Congratulations America, on getting some reason snd morality back into your leadership.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

Glen: There are definitely more than a few lonely little old ladies, but among them is an ever-increasing group of shrill harpies insisting that remaining single and childless was the best thing they ever could have done. Avoiding, of course, the fact that they either spurned the men who expressed any interest, or that there were no such men at all. Men of any common sense were warned away by those women’s behavior, or appearance, or both. Most of those women are no loss to the gene pool.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

One is reminded of Stevie Nicks recently coming out and saying that if not for the abortion of her baby with Don Henley, it could have been the end of Fleetwood Mac. Of course the best years of Fleetwood Mac had already come and gone by then.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I also have to wonder if there’s been a decline in female fertility across the West.

We know that the poisoned food, air, and water in the West have had major negative impacts on male reproductive health.

It’s hard to imagine these conditions have somehow improved female reproductive health.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Wait till the vex kicks in.

The German live birth rate seemingly dropped off 13% in FQ 2022 compared to previous 3 years (including during the faux-rona) – so it looks like there is more of that to come.

Germany is also only about 65% stabbed as well so it will be interesting to see the numbers from other western countries.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

zman: Those of us who’ve always found women mentally unstable and emotionally incontinent perceive this latest outburst as just more of the same. Elsewhere, I characterized the abortion ‘debate’ as self-proclaimed baby killers and thank-God-she’s-a-single-mother churchians. I stand by this characterization. Not to say there weren’t a few legitimate and moral actors, but they were far outnumbered by the shrieking zealots for both causes. Any moral nuance in a seriously complex social issue disappeared long ago. Gee, given my disdain for the other members of my sex, perhaps I ought to adopt a more nuanced pronoun? Nah, I’ll just continue… Read more »

tashtego
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I don’t despise women for exhibiting more irrationality on average than men but it is a fact that should be recognized. Rationality is great for some things but not the female role in human procreation for the last million years or so. It was always a very dangerous gamble that a purely rational mind would choose to avoid. It’s safe to say we would not be here were women ruled by reason to an equal degree as men.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  tashtego
1 year ago

That is a sage and essential understanding of humans. Even women worship reason in their dreams. Unfortunately reason is easily the process more likely than any other to arrive at the product of ego. Karl Marx is only one example among millions. All the great thinkers approached reason Proust’s way– Our intellect is not the most subtle, the most powerful, the most appropriate instrument for revealing truth. It is life that, little by little, example by example, permits us to see that what is most important to our heart, or to our mind, is learned not by reasoning but through… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

The ranting raging hysteria of leftist women following the overturning of Roe really is astonishing; especially considering the fact that most are too old for the availability or lack-of-availability of abortion to personally affect them. And the fact that the scenarios they’re claiming to fear— “Women dying from back-alley abortions because legal abortion has been outlawed!”— won’t be happening anytime in their lifetimes. Abortion hasn’t been “outlawed”, merely returned to the States; and the chances of CA and NY outlawing abortion are virtually nil. Are their lives so sterile and meaningless that conjuring up this false outrage is the only… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

The real Bill: Outrage du jour is the left’s lifeblood. And women, especially, are prone to and revel in histrionics.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Additionally, there is a religious element and Woke is like Islam: once the flag is planted and the place enters Dars Al-Islam, the flag must fly there forever. Much like Spain is viewed by Muslims today, the states that do not have abortion on demand will be seen as apostate and evil by Camp Woke.*

*I actually support abortion for non-Whites for the eugenic effect, to be clear, but there is sheer joy in watching the leftwing outrage.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

3ge4me:
My dad used to joke that the word should be ‘HER-strionc’.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Compsci: Note also that while I point out that Russia’s people and culture don’t have roots in Greece and Rome (factually and genetically true: Mongols, steppe people, Kievan Rus history, etc.), he counters by claiming Russian Orthodox was the official religion of the Roman Empire. And while the Cyrillic alphabet did, indeed, come from Cyril and Methodius – who both the Greeks and the East Europeans claim as their own – that written form does not equate to Russian being a romance or germanic root language. As far as my knowing nothing about Eastern Europe or Russia, well, it is… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

1. Don’t know how my response to Compsci, from much further above regarding Stephanos, ended up down here.

2. Melissa: As I’m sure you and your dad know/knew, the root of histrionic is from the Greek word for womb or uterus, hystera. (Sorry to be an English nerd, but I love the richness of our language).

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

Yes, it is quite ironic that there is so much outrage in states where there is no chance of abortion being restricted. But these pro-abortion people — it’s not just women — want to impose their values on the rest of the nation. They’re not willing to let California be California and Alabama be Alabama.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Vajynabush
1 year ago

Ultimately that is it with them. I actually did not appreciate how much their religious fervor drove their position on this one. They are old, dried up hags howling at the moon because people in Missouri don’t share their lust for the sacrament of abortion. You cannot share a polity with these people.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
1 year ago

The terms “antiWhite” and groomers are a gift as they are the only real weapons we have.

How far would qlacks be without the R word? or Homophobe.

If any of us on our side squander this, and don’t use these words, groomer and antiwhitte every fargin’ day, shame on them.

good essay

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
1 year ago

Hi-Ya: Agreed. Another solid essay, but I expect nothing less from our distinguished host (despite his usual disdain for homonyms – i.e. bear vs bare). But the simple and apposite label “anti-White pro groomer” is a gift I intend to use.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
1 year ago

So what’s the moral gut punch equivalent for the dissident right to pro life movement?

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Dinodoxy: Anti-White pro groomer.

DinoDoxy
DinoDoxy
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I can’t tell if that is some veiled slam of me.

If so, its way off the mark.

And doesn’t actually answer the questions.

Pro Life is succinct statement of the morality and intent of the anti-abortion movement.

What’s the equivalent statement for the dissident right?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DinoDoxy
1 year ago

I call it a good start to a good question. I’ll be using “anti-White, pro groomer”, and looking for more.

Got anything in mind yourself, DinoDoxy? This could be quite fun! Let’s run into battle laughing.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Family first maybe.

Lately I’ve been telling lefties that “saving the world is beyond my ability, I’m just hoping to save my family”. Shuts em right up – they don’t have a programmed response to that.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

One of the myriad problems with the left is, they’ll never accept a morality other than their own. So when a win such as Roe comes our way, any forceful opposition, such as burning, looting, murderous threats and other mayhem need to be put down with righteousness and determination – not unlike dealing with a rabid dog – it has to be done. However, since leftards control virtually all the levers of power (though the gears are beginning to slip), it may be a while before that righteous force is applied.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
1 year ago

For the hundredth time.

Republicans and trad cons always lose to the left because they are liberals themselves. Today’s tradcon is yesterdays’ progressive.

Vince
Vince
1 year ago

Both this post and today’s Taki post delivered solid, connecting jabs to Ben Shapiro.

It will be interesting to see how he reacts, if at all.

Nicely done Zman.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Vince
1 year ago

Yup

The article Z linked to hasn’t aged well.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Vince
1 year ago

Vince: I never read or even think about little Bennie unless some consevatard mentions him as a hero. He, himself, would never admit to reading someone so beyond the pale (or of such superior intellect) as Zman. What might be interesting would be the various mental gymnastics Bennie’s conservatard fanbois use to justify his various outed lies and deception.

Felix Krull
Member
1 year ago

The perplexing thing is that abortion laws are much more anti-life in Christian American than in heathen Europe, where the cut-off point for free abortion is 12-15 weeks. If Europeans knew about third-term abortion, they’d freak the fuck out.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

I had wondered whether Euros were aware of the barbarism of abortion laws here. From what I gather, routine procedures such as full-birth abortion would attract the attention of law enforcement basically anywhere on Earth other than the United States, North Korea and maybe China. While I reject the premise, Leftists routinely cite Europe as an exemplar of how things should be, except when they don’t, like in the case of abortion.

It has been stunning to watch Macron and company criticize Dobbs and be completely unaware of what is at issue here.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I see Europeans criticizing Dobbs as evidence that the GAE is real and is an empire. The criticism is the provincial elites showing their fealty to the clique that controls the imperial center.

The actual issue doesn’t matter – as demonstrated by their ignorance of the specifics. Were the zeitgeist in DC different on the issue – the exact same Europeans elites would be celebrating the justice of Dobbs.

What matters is their genuflection to the ruling faction. It’s a demonstration of their loyalty and subservience to that faction.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

That is a great point and I had not thought of it in that way. Yes, this is just kissing the ring one more time around.

Macron, to his barren old lady at night: “you mean to the point of birth?”

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Ring? That gives too much dignity to the kisser. More like kissing ass.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I doubt Macron is talking to his wife at night. She is his beard, not his consort.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I had wondered whether Euros were aware of the barbarism of abortion laws here.

I don’t think so. Most people don’t think about abortion either way, not even the feminists. Euros think you’re weird for caring so much.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Thanks. You do have to wonder how the particulars would be received.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Yes. I haven’t got the slightest notion exactly because there zero debate about it.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Europeans grasp, correctly imo, the relationship between a barbaric abortion policy and a society full of murderous scum

I don’t see how you can treat the unborn like disposable litter and not have it have severe psychological effects on people in general

Nothing else makes sense within the law if it’s okay to kill babies. Nothing can hold together if that is the law. And society can’t hold together if that is the law and common practice. It’s like a license to kill, and we have seen the effects.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Jack, we here in Europe are very aware of the US abortion situation. However, abortion is not such a big deal here for the simple reason that kids are not a big deal either: we don’t have them! I’ve got 4 and every thinks I’m a f*cking freak!

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

After I saw his condemnation of the Roe overturn, I read Macron was trying to make France’s abortions laws more like the United States. I didn’t see any polling on how likely that was to happen though.

B125
B125
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

Justin Trudeau was all over Twitter condemning the decision as well. After trying to force vax us for 2 years his squeals about “bodily autonomy” ring hollow.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Felix: Due to various historical events, while you still have your share of socially-disruptive anti-White members of a certain ethnicity, there are far more in America. And they are also far more deeply entrenched in America’s policy-shaping powers (politics, law, media, education).

And yes, by whatever metric, third-term abortion is an abomination and utterly indefensible.

B125
B125
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Europeans aren’t as neurotic or ideological as Americans. It cuts both ways though, so they end up with center left, atheist, moderately apolitical societies. I always thought the American characterization from both the left and right of Europe being super “progressive” was wrong. I did not get the sense that they were self hating or as crazy as the progs (not all of them, anyways). In fact they seemed pretty closed off to outsiders, especially in non-English speaking nations. Anyways, right wing, left wing, doesn’t matter in the face of the globalist agenda. The old arrangement only works in a… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

More proof that Christianity reflects what’s already in the Whites, not the other way around.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
1 year ago

“Just win, baby” as Al Davis said. Winning (for pro-lifers and especially second amendment types) involves a weird contrast of tunnel vision (focusing on one issue) and good peripheral vision that lets you keep situational awareness, just in case you have to make changes on the fly; like squad sized elements in trench warfare or football players, sometimes you have to give yourself and your friends the orders, because you’ll die waiting for the orders to come from the general or the coach. Second amendment types would not vote Republican all the way down. If it’s a democrat like Collin… Read more »

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 year ago

My own take was a little different.

People would tell me that Trump was an asshole.
I’d reply, “sure but he’s our (my) asshole”.

It’s quite amazing that traditional Republican pols have completely lost an appreciation for loyalty. That was actually one of the things the criticized about Trump – that he expected loyalty. They never got that he was loyal to the people that voted for him. The professional Republican pols almost consider betraying the people that vote for them a point of pride. Trump never did.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Trump was loyal to the people that voted for him?

Really?

It seems to me that those were the people he betrayed most of all: those of us who were expecting him to actually do (or at least *try* to do) what he’d pledged to do during his campaign: build the wall, drain the DC swamp, bring home the troops, etc.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

He failed at a lot of things. Failure is not the same as betrayal. It’s childish to equate the two.

Trump is a man, not Jesus. And our globohomo enemies are very powerful.

Frances
Frances
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

He certainly didn’t fail when it came it pardoning black rappers and Israeli con-artists. Imagine using your final moments as President to reward the very people who publicly mocked you and made music videos about executing your supporters. Betrayal might be underselling it.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The real Bill
1 year ago

Here we go again—“The Wall”. Tell me one thing he could have done, that he did not do, to build the wall? He refurbished the 400+ miles of the old wall and added 450+ miles of new wall before being booted out of office. Those are the facts. What are not the facts is that he did *nothing*.

Felix Krull
Member
1 year ago

In war, men will die for their cause. They will not die for a paycheck or the promise of war booty after the battle

Men join for the cause but they die for their comrades.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Sorry, I see now that is a point in your column.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

But, you said it so well!

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

I think that’s what really scared them about January 6th. Trump had no desire to literally command his followers to overturn the election, but those people showed the first genuinely organic loyalty for a politician most of us have ever seen in our lifetimes. The loyalty was misplaced, but it was still instructive. You had people willing to scale walls (when the cops weren’t literally waving them in) after driving across the country, for free, for Trump, while those inside the Capitol who were being paid well enough (including retirement benefits) weren’t willing to even guard Pelosi’s paperweights and her… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 year ago

Yeah, the FBI was involved, so much of Jan 6 was staged, exaggerated, or even made up, but yes, our elites did get a sneak peak of what could happen if the people — even for a moment — get tired of the tyranny and decide to act. It frightened them to their very core.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Joey Jünger
1 year ago

Claus Von Stauffenberg and numerous highly placed German military officers with intricate plans surrounding “Operation Valkyrie”, leading to the immediate execution of 200 officers – that was a coup.

John Foster Dulles and his CIA overthrowing Mohammed Mossadegh and installing a puppet Shah to steal oil from the British and Iranians — that was a coup.

CIA instigating mass murder in Jakarta to install anti-communists in Indonesia —that was a coup.

A bunch of morons taking selfies in a building that was open for business as usual 5 hours later – not a coup.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

How the F were they morons? I really, really like the comment, but please, people, let’s cool it with conditioned kicking our own in the balls at the slightest opportunity.

I don’t give a sh**- those lads in jail are OUR lads.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Hear, hear.

Dumb or not, they are martyrs and inspirations.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Baked Alaska’s career as an internet personality might lead you to reconsider that position.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
1 year ago

i genuinely wonder how much of an overlap there is (if any) between the people who are out fighting against abortion – and gun grabbing – and the sportsball consuming normies?