One of the weird things about this phase of liberal democracy has been the normalization of conspiracy theories. Thirty years ago, everyone, regardless of their political inclinations or what they thought of the other side, dismissed the claims of the conspiracy community. At best the deep state conspiracy was a plot device for a fantastical Hollywood script. At worst, it was a sign that the person may be struggling with mental illness.
Today most people think there is a deep state. In fact, the phrase deep state has become a normal part of discourse. In conventional politics it can mean anything from the leaders of both parties to nefarious forces controlling the institutions. George Soros is part of the deep state, even though the deep state is supposed to be a shadowy group of people unknown to the general public. Even secret societies need to be personalized, so the deep state has many public faces.
You do not have to line your clothes with aluminum foil to wonder if there is not something going on off camera that explains what is happening. For example, the berserk effort by Western government to “decarbonize” the West looks like a suicide pact by a collection of cult leaders. How can these people really think it is good idea to shut down Dutch farming to save Gaia? How does returning Germany to using wood for heat make any sense? There must be something else.
Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state but it is not hard to see why people are open to it. It is sort of like the concept of space-time. That is, it is an invention of mankind to help explain the universe. The fact that it does not exist is not really important because it allows physics to explore the universe. At some point it will be abandoned for a deeper understanding. The same may be true of the deep state in that it works for now, even though it is not real.
For example, when you see an ad for something like plant based milk you are supposed to think, “why yes, I would prefer this over actual milk.” Then your brain reminds you that we have no need for plant-based milk. We have plenty of actual milk. The reason we have lots of real milk is we invented refrigeration so that we no longer have to rely upon things like almond milk. That is when that concept of the deep state fills in the blank and you begin to wonder what they are up to with this.
This is when someone chimes in about lactose intolerance, but you do not build a church for Easter Sunday and you do not build an industry for people who cannot digest milk enzymes. Similarly, you do not invest billions on meat made from twigs and bugs that “tastes almost like real meat!” Similarly, you do not bother inventing eggs made from grass that are almost like real eggs. These are solutions in search of a problem, perhaps a problem contemplated by the deep state.
Now, solutions in search of a problem are not new. The e-book was supposed to replace the real book, but there was never a need to replace the book. It was the result of two thousand years of evolution starting with the early Christians. By the 20th century it was the ideal solution to distributing the written word. That did not stop smart people from pushing the idea of the e-book. Innovation is as much about bad ideas and it is the few good ideas that are genuine improvements on the old ideas.
In the present age, the managerial class plays an outsized role in picking winners and losers, so there is money to be made exploiting their hopes and fears. This has always been the genius of Elon Musk. His projects all tap into the boutique beliefs of the managerial class. He is a futurist selling futuristic solutions to the problems of the future to people haunted by the prospect they will not see the glorious future. They are willing to spend your money to achieve their dreams.
Klaus Schwab is working the same grift. The World Economic Forum is a crackpot idea that appeals to the vanity of the managerial class. It did not get much traction until he was able to hook a few billionaires to attend his event. That was the validation needed to turn the thing into Burning Man for the managerial elite. They go to be seen with their analogs in the other parts of the managerial class. The deep state vibe is part of the appeal to people who spend their days in committees.
What has happened over the last thirty years since the end of the Cold War is the Western managerial class has evolved both a class consciousness and a messianic religion that binds them together. It is why they have become so paranoid about the people over whom they rule. A big part of being a Cloud Person is thinking about how much you disdain the Dirt People. Displaying your cloudiness is often just expressing your contempt for dirtiness.
This is why the concept of the deep state has caught on. From the perspective of the Dirt People, it looks like there is a secret set of hands guiding the movement of the clouds and the people inhabiting them. When all of a sudden, every chattering skull on television is chanting “keev” you cannot help but think it is scripted. The ads for food made from bugs make a lot more sense when you imagine a secret cabal plotting to kill off farming to please Gaia.
Like space-time, the concept of the deep state works because it allows for the further exploration of the environment in which we find ourselves. The fact that it is not a real thing, at least not in the way it is used, does not matter right now. Blaming Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates for the current crisis is fine. Waging war on the people profiting from the system is almost as good as attacking the system itself. For most people, raging against the deep state is comforting.
Just as the reality of the universe lies beyond the interface of space-time, the reality of the managerial state lies beyond the deep state. It is not a collection of super villains controlling the world. It is a system that produces the super villains it needs to control the population over which it rules. If Klaus Schwab did not exist, the system would simply invent him just as physics invented space-time. These bad guys are a necessary interface to the managerial system.
There is another aspect to the deep state interface. It is comforting. The people invited to the soiree’s like WEF and Davos get to think they are influencers, shaping the mind of the deep state actors. The Cloud People can be sure there is a powerful force guiding their hand. The Dirt People get the comfort of knowing there is a rational actor behind the movement of the clouds. Perhaps he is amenable to reason or perhaps he can one day be defeated by the Dirt People.
Maybe like space-time, the deep state interface will be useful in breaking the system open to expose its internal workings. On the other hand, it may come to be a great impediment to understanding the world. There are some who think space-time has inhibited our ability to understand the universe. Regardless, the deep state does not exist, but it is useful. Like electric cars and milk made from bugs, it has a purpose, even if we cannot be sure whose ends it serves.
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Curtis Yarvin lays out a plan today on how to beat the ‘Deep State’.
Worth reading.
Sorry, forgot the link
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/you-can-only-lose-the-culture-war
National Security and Double Government by Michael J. Glennon
” U.S. national security policy is defined by the network of executive officials who manage the departments and agencies responsible for protecting U.S. national security and who, responding to structural incentives embedded in the U.S. political system, operate largely removed from public view and from constitutional constraints. The public believes that the constitutionally-established institutions control national security policy, but that view is mistaken.”
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So the conclusion is that the deep state is largely an illusion? I agree with that. Put any group of people together and the most able (or most motivated) will splinter off and start scheming in a corner to exert undue influence, with the aim of keeping themselves in their comfort zone. That’s human nature – it will always happen and always has. For the sake of a proper definition and clarity of discussion, I don’t call that a deep state. For a pure example of the deep state look to Thailand, where the surreptitious machinations of a small section… Read more »
“Conspiracy theories arise due to insecurity, paranoia, or the simple inability to understand.” I have often noted this attitude of condescension among those who deny the glaring lies staring us all in the face. Frequently they then go on to appeal to History and the Learned Men, somehow missing the fact that it (and they) are replete with examples of conspiracies that failed. The ones that succeeded are not bandied about, of course. If I do not believe Arlen Specter’s Magic Bullet Theory to explain the JFK assassination, I am a benighted morphodite sitting in a pile of my own… Read more »
Exactly. Well done.
“Akschully, yeah, they coordinated an assassination in secret and then had their propaganda organs lie about it, but that is in no way a conspiracy theory. Those are for rubes.”
The Dissident Right also is full of virtue signaling cucks, and the worst kind of cucks since they don’t realize they are cucks.
Why would a deep state go against a wave that it started and wanted?
Of course there’s a deep state Kosher banker money drives it home. The talmud describes us as cattle, cattle we shall be if these hebrews have their way. Who prints the money? Who owns the media and the politicians who don’t represent you? 911, Kennedy… we;re on a jewprisonplanet. Wake the fuck up. Death by injection, death by war…they don’t care as long as we die.
“It is sort of like the concept of space-time. That is, it is an invention of mankind to help explain the universe. The fact that it does not exist is not really important because it allows physics to explore the universe. At some point it will be abandoned for a **deeper understanding**.” Spacetime, as a *mathematical* model is self consistent and empirically accurate to the limits of our measurement and predictive ability, including successful detections of the LIGO gravity wave detectors. However I agree with the “deeper understanding” comment. It is simply math. It is the logical result of two… Read more »
Ok, I just had to comment on this delicious article. It’s an amazing piece that basically describes the deep state whilst simultaneously denying it exists. Deep state, managerial state, whatever you want to call it, of course it exists. The difference is these people are now telling you their plans right to your face!! There is no need to hide in the shadows anymore. You literally have global depopulationists pushing experimental gene therapies on the public. I mean, what in the actual… That is why the twitter feed of the Alex Jones is always right guy is so funny. They… Read more »
OT: B125 mentioned a while back about the Ukraine being the historic Pale of Settlement. Maybe it’s been said here or on some livestream or corner of the internet, idk I don’t get out much, but… Nationalism is rising; Russia is rising; the US is in decline; Putin plays ball with Jewish oligarchs, is one of Klaus Schwab’s Young Global Leaders, and is ‘denazifying’ Ukraine. What if the end game of the whole affair is the Ashkenazim moving back? What if it’s some bizarre, bloody negotiation we’re watching play out? How wild would that be? Anyway, passing thought, just throwing… Read more »
“Give us a defensible homeland, clear out the White Christians living there, and we will make you rich and lift your nation to power. Afterwards, you will a ward protector worthy of paying jizya
(protection money) to.”
They did the same, btw, with Islam.
More than plausible, I think this is their way.
Russia obeys the covid program.
A new framework of a new order is being hammered out.
Perhaps Ghadawar (Saudi oil) is playing out, or has done its job. Now, positioning themselves smack dab in the middle of the Chinese Belt might be seen as a better strategy for next few generations
A Russo-Chinese century, after the Anglo-American one..
The “deep state” is just a shorthand way of saying that the civil service does not reflect the demographics and beliefs of the citizenry, and this has consequences. Politicians are supposed to command the deep state, but in reality distract the citizens and entrench the deep state’s position of power. Our deep state is mostly recent, a consequence of ordinary grillers abandoning the cities in the mid 20th century for the subdivisions, leaving all the important administrative and government jobs behind for “free market” grifting. The people who remained in the cities tended to be religious fanatics, sexual deviants, and… Read more »
Well put. Like Napolean said, he doesn’t rule France; a thousand bureaucrats rule France.
In practice, I don’t think it could be any other way once a group gets to a sufficient size. The problem is not that a “deep state” exists, the problem is who comprises it. The long march through the institutions guarantees victory.
and by group being a sufficient size, I am referring to the size of a nation, not the bureaucrats.
as my wife would say: It’s a mute point.
How does anything change one way or the other?
The proper meaning of “moot” is debatable not irrelevant but the common usage seems to be changing.
According to your wife we are irrevocably doomed. Got it.
oh ye of obscure definitions – she’s also afraid we’re going to be decimated.
so, a tenth of us will be gone.
In Physics, timespace is a model. It’s been a productive one. To say it’s been falsified or validated is ludicrous. It can’t be tested, any more than “dark matter.”
Newtonian mechanics was never invalidated. Quantum mechanics will not be invalidated. It will simply be superseded my something else that better explains the universe.
Am I the only one who finds string theory to be faggotty? Should be string hypothesis.
Or string speculation
I don’t think any of that crap is anything more than a way to deconstruct God by a bunch of immoral anti freedom dopes.
Today’s is like describing a corporation.
It doesn’t really exist, only as a paper fiction, and yet it does. It does work, is its own thing, and real things happen.
Either way, after last night’s opening, Tucker is a dead man walking.
I don’t know about that. You’re under the assumption that the hoi polloi will react when the the deprivation and corruption of the Biden’s, with torches and pitchforks.
I think they will simply put more briquettes on the grill.
And when the rest of the media ignores it, will it have really happened?
Until the “elite” are dragged from their lairs kicking and screaming, nothing of consequence will happen, or change.
And everyone knows it.
Quite the opposite- I think the deep state will not stand for this exposure and insult to the Biden regime.
Tuck’s about to have an unfortunate plane accident.
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
“Tuck’s about to have an unfortunate plane accident.”
It is touching that you believe Tucker Carlson represents genuine, organic resistance, or any ideology representing a genuine, organic threat to the status quo.
If the foxes own the media henhouses, why would they allow a fox hunter a platform to preach their own overthrow to the chickens?
When Tucker Carlson names the source of the subversion publicly I will reevaluate his motivations and loyalties. Maybe.
I still believe that the “deep state” is real, it’s just not as “shadowy” as a conspiracy theorist might think. The deep state, by my reasoned definition, is the collective of non-elected bureaucrats who live and work in Washington in various capacities. The bubble they exist in tends to create a “birds of a feather” mindset. Remember that “journalist” who bragged about all the different underground and behind the scenes things that were happening to prevent Trump from being re-elected? That’s the “real” deep state. They operate like a row of ants following the pheromone trail to a source of… Read more »
Everyone can see the coordination qnd everyone can see that such coordination should be logistically impossible. The parsimonious explanation is also the most ancient and cross cultural… the Devil is real. The people acting as his instruments are dupes who generally believe they are acting of their own will, his most reliable shock troops are the same folks that murdered Christ and have been trying to do the same to His followers for the last couple thousand years. For the religiously committed this should be obvious enough. The secular should contemplate the possibility that IF the supernatural exists this explanation… Read more »
This is an excellent comment, and I agree with your definition of what the “Deep State” does (how it behaves) as opposed to what it is (secret cabal or self selected fraternity of like-minded bureaucrats). Now go deeper. Behaving more or less as a school of fish, what will they do when faced with a tangible existential threat? Yes, they can put up razor wire and hide behind a phalanx of Jackboots, but that only works if the threat is obvious and easily defensible (pitchfork mob). But what if the threat is amorphous and unpredictable, seemingly arising out of nowhere,… Read more »
I respect Z Man for writing an article that he knew would meet almost universal criticism from his readers. That’s some big balls you got there my friend. Respect.
My only comment is that he describes the observable effects of the deep state but then says that there is no deep state. It seems like a distinction without a difference.
nothing to see here , move along .
Memembro and Some Guy for the save. Zman can tap dance later.
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served up raw and red!
I never realized how many commenters on here see themselves on Team Dirt. You shouldn’t see yourself on this team against the cloud people team. At best you should be a reflective dirt person. You know you’re a dirt person, you know that you have no power, but you also have, if you’re on dissident sites, understanding that 99% of dirt people don’t have. Understanding that makes you a Dirt person Ex-Machina. You’re part of the machine, but you can also step outside of it, and see the big picture. Almost no one can do that. And once you see… Read more »
I think it’s just about being proud of your team. Call us what they will, but what’s important is that we’re on the same team. Things played out such that we assumed the name The Dirts, not that we see ourselves that way. Maybe Pig Pen from peanuts can be our mascot. That said, your point is well taken. I also think few of us here are “middle class” but we use that term more to mean normal working people regardless of income or affluence. It’s more a camaraderie among people who value honest work as opposed to grifting and… Read more »
I do believe the term your looking for is
UltraMAGADirt people
I’m probably the most annoying snob here, with somewhere near the “best pedigree” (mother a CIA-controlled feminist, even) and I have no respect whatsoever for *any* of my peers, nor for anyone who has any respect for any of them. The fee for entering the cloud is being (not becoming) a moronic monster. Of all the ruling class’s public representatives, only Trump and Musk can sometimes pass for human—and their passing consists only of “memeing” and having sex with famous women. Pol Pot was right…but he was Asian, so he was too autistic about it. Dirt 4 lyfe, even if… Read more »
I don’t identify as dirt, but I sympathize with (for?) them.
This is a radical step but would making all digital evidence inadmissible in a court of law and create a digital bill of rights for employment fix a lot of things?
The only exception would be if someone robbed a Walgreens. The admissible evidence would be from the store video and that video alone. A security camera at a neighboring store wouldn’t be admissible.
What would this fix, other than greatly accelerating “decarceration”?
Books are a lot older than the early Christians. Maybe that’s not what you meant to say?
We have millions of Sumerian clay tablets, entire libraries of the earliest books, from the 4th century B.C. The Egyptians came up with papyrus scrolls in the 3rd century B.C. The modern book (codex) was invented sometime in the 2nd-3rd centuries A.D.
I think you meant 3rd and 4th millennium BC, didn’t you?
It’s well known that papyrus, parchment, and paper are hugely effective media for archival purposes.
By comparison, the lifespan of magnetic tape, CD/DVD/Blu-ray, hard disks, and solid-state electronic memory is laughable.
What Z was referring to is the codex (what we know as “a paper book”, that is, a set of paper sheets assembled together) Before early Christians, texts were written in scrolls, made from papyrus or parchment. Early Christians championed the use of the codex because they could fit the Bible in a codex. By contrast, a scroll could only contain a book of the Bible. Some books of the Bible were too long to be contained in only one scroll. This is why you have 1 Kings and 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles and 2 Chronicles, meaning “the first scroll… Read more »
Well, it looks like normie day on steroids around here. Conspiracy theorists ranting about a “deep state” that doesn’t exist. Okay.
I’ll say that our manipulation goes far beyond the “deep state” characters, who are nothing but a few gears in a far bigger machine system. And if you can sit there and joke about people who talk about how the Federal Reserve takes out a life insurance policy on every person in this country, and cashes it out upon death, I suppose the joke is on you.
How can they take out an insurance policy? Don’t they have to be a relative?
no. anybody who wants to can take an insurance policy out on you. I don’t know why ofr how the fed would do this , never heard it before.
Not true. All states insurance laws require an insurable interest (relative, corporations for officers, partners in a business etc).
maybe my info is out of date .
Like space-time, the concept of the deep state works because it allows for the further exploration of the environment in which we find ourselves. The fact that it is not a real thing, at least not in the way it is used, does not matter right now.
That’s why I just call it “the Jews.” Whether it’s true or not is a matter of supreme indifference to me: our people need a personified enemy and “the Jews” will do just fine.
Factoid: Einstein stole his theory from Hilbert.
It is good to know that all those billionaires, government officials, industry leaders, and media personalities meeting at Davos, Bildeberger, Bohemian Grove, Sun Valley, and myriad of other gatherings and conferences around the World are only talking about their golf game and their grand children.
Yes. And potential deals.
I read Mr Man less and less. He seems to have no principles.
From speaking to my lefty associates over the past few years, the only people who think there’s a “deep state” are right-wingers. Most lefties still think that money rules everything. That and a hidden cabal of white supremacists.
Try it for yourself. Next time when you’re talking to a lib, say “corporate media” and even the most dedicated NYT reader will grant you that the media’s all about the money. Then switch to “state media” and the lib will protest.
Of course the Lefties think that.
They are deeply embedded in the ideological herd/flock/school of fish that is in power, so of course they will fail to see how their group is influencing events.
In my experience, every left wing person denies any media bias exists except for fox news. It’s really quite a phenomenon. The things they listen to sound normal to them. They’re mentally ill…
This is a recent trend. At the end of the 1992 Tim Robbins mockumentary “Bob Roberts” there’s a bit with Gus Fring as a paranoid newshound ranting about the totalitarian stitch-up and the prison planet, etc. At the time I was struck by the self-seriousness for a scene that could easily be rendered as “satirically” as the rest of the film was. Dems underwent a sea change at the Clinton era which to me suggests a greater worldwide shift. The Dave Brooks book about the bobos touches on this. 1968 emotions were funneled to universities and quangos/nonprofits which are bureaucratic… Read more »
maybe they are both right.
“When all of a sudden, every chattering skull on television is chanting “keev” you cannot help but think it is scripted.” Here’s where I think you are in error. I believe it (MSM) is scripted, or at least content controlled/coordinated. I have an example of such on a national level. Way back when, I was listening to a national talk radio syndicate broadcast. There are several such large multi station, multi host syndicates. Think of their TV counterparts like ABC or CBS. The host, still on the air, began to speak off handedly of his morning “conference call” that included… Read more »
Well, not so very long ago there was this constantly updated catalogue of topics and attitude to adopt toward them called “Journolist” that was promulgated amongst the ranks of those who fancied themselves to be “Journalists”, and hence entitled to, if not duty bound to maintain messaging discipline in AINO. It was exposed, but no doubt exists in a more discreet form, tightly controlled among those in the know under penalty of cancellation with extreme prejudice. You can be sure that it exists by its signs: uniformity of message; timing of its dissemination.
Yep, you know them by their signs. It’s really too coincidental for a reasonably intelligent, thinking person to accept that all these people come to the same realization, same understanding, same reaction basically simultaneously and independently.
Now of course, after a news cycle 24-48 hours, there are the great unwashed masses that jump of the band wagon and imitate/believe what they have be subtlety show by such sources. That does not rule out such sources coordinate among themselves in some way—not necessarily illegally—but coordinated wrt a narrative to be maintained.
Its like the election fraud denials: sure there is fraud and repeated, disparate instances of it, but there isn’t “comprehensive” widespread fraud. Right.
There are huge numbers of examples of out-and-out media and deep state coordination, from the Waco raid just happening to have local tv news affiliates on hand to Journolist. We know explicit coordination happens. But we dont have a smoking gun for each and every iteration of message coordination, so the election wasn’t tainted by fraud. Your Local Pharisees would approve of that conclusion.
I see it as being similar to how a school of fish can seemingly all change direction at the same time despite not having a leader. Cloud people have created conditions for themselves in which being a nanosecond behind the times on any topic means you’re a sexist, racist, transphobe and will get called out on it. So they’re all hypersensitive to the current thing and will rapidly shift to spouting the latest buzzword, creating the perception that they receive marching orders every morning. One cloud says “Our Democracy” and within a day they’re all repeating it like demented parrots.
Yes, but that is question begging. Where does the buzzword come from? Ex machina?
It’s how a flock operates. One bird at the periphery sees a hawk and starts squawking then pretty soon they all are. It doesn’t make that particular bird the leader.
Soros is just a bag man. If he suddenly dropped dead, he’d be replaced within 48 hours. I bet if we saw a list of the 100 most powerful people on the planet, we wouldn’t recognize a single name.
Spot on, Felix. Soros is sort of like the managerial elite, “the help.”
THIS !!! absolutely correct
It wouldn’t hurt to find out.
This is only possible when all of the “talkers” share a worldview. They do.
Aren’t the Associated Press and Universal Press the only sources used by 99% of news outlets? And outlets is a perfect description- they are basically distribution centers for whatever AP and UP feeds them. So contr those two and you control the rest.
Hey Glenfilthie, looks like somebody was thinking the same way (or listening, who knows).
https://humanevents.com/2022/07/11/greene-how-to-stop-mass-shootings/
This is common sense. We’ve known all this for some time. The neoliberal gun narratives aren’t working anymore..
“It is not a collection of super villains controlling the world. It is a system that produces the super villains it needs to control the population over which it rules.” I agree with this. And the system is what I call the Power Structure. The Power Structure, which exists in perhaps every Western nation, but whose most important instantiation operates in AINO, is composed of every important information-controlling segment of society. In AINO, the Power Structure is first and foremost, the federal government, the media, big corporations, academia, and the entertainment industry. Metonymically, we can denote these sectors as Washington,… Read more »
Doesn’t hurt that saying a joke about the Js or questioning the WWII narrative is like wearing a shock collar on a dog. Zap So it keeps people in line. That has been their secret weapon. What interests me is when that shock collar no longer works. I think that time is coming up, and fast. Batteries are dying. Now I am not saying is it all about the Js, but that everyone up there has used this same weapon, and the racist card too. And not saying all of them believe in it, they just know its power in… Read more »
Just another happenstance, utter coincidence. They want to virtue signal their deference to Gaia, and they are too stupid to realize what this will mean for agricultural production . . . or to consider the follow-on impact on world-wide hunger and mass immigration. There’s no possible coordination or funding behind these crackpot ideas and actions. There’s no connection (in concept or time frame or execution) except in the fevered imaginations of some.
As goes Holland, so too Canada:
https://thecountersignal.com/trudeau-nitrogen-policy-will-decimate-canadian-farming/
While I agree in general with your comment, I do wish you and others would stop claiming the people in control are too stupid to understand the harm they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing and believe they will get whatever food, etc, they want and need when the system collapses.
They are evil, not stupid.
Not all of them. There isn’t that much evil in a pure concentrated state to go around quite frankly. Most are just stupid and inexperienced with the real functioning world. You see the same thing with religious people. The house can be burning and rather than put out the flames they start praying. That’s just the way they roll. People are like that. And most are women, and women who aren’t practical minded will believe anything. Such that stopping cow farts will save the planet and Not that it will put 200,000 farmers out of work. Or starve millions. Their… Read more »
I just can’t believe they are so stupid they have no concept of the damage their actions would cause. I could be wrong but I also believe there is an endless supply of evil just waiting for any takers.
A quote I saw recently sums it up pretty well:
“So we’ve reached the ‘Some of you may have to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make!’ stage of elite decadence.”
I get what you’re saying, but we all know people who are blind to what we consider the obvious. Why I brought up the religious person partying while the house is burning rather than doing something to stop it, because I know people like this. In fact most people might fall into a similar category. I know plenty of people who have zero concept on farming and that if they want to limit cow gas and go about by eliminating the numbers of cows in the world, they won’t make the connection of the problems and heartache caused. They’re just… Read more »
Rowdy Moody: I assumed regular readers here know my views and would immediately understand the implied sarcasm.
this guy wouldn’t be involved either…. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/schwab-family-values/ and these folks are not involved either. https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/report/reset-the-table-messaging-guide/
An anti-conspiracy conspiracy theory
Hey Z, seeing all the back and forth, it might help for you to define the deep state, what you mean by it, because I suggest there is confusion in the ranks. I take it to mean shadowy figures working in the shadows. Which may be your meaning of it, while others rightfully see it as a permanent bureaucracy acting in its own interest and for its own benefit. Plus all the hangers on trying to get in on the action, the politicians, etc. Per my definition, there may have been a deep state at some point but it has… Read more »
I always use the word “regime” not “deep state”. “Deep State” infers that there is a secret cabal with it’s own agenda, making “regime” seem like a better fit because these people make no secret of their presence.
Yeah and I think “deep state” makes it more intriguing and interesting, rather than the more appropriate term “regime” People like a good story, an interesting narrative. I grew up among political people, so for me there was never much mystery to politics, I always saw it as important people in town trying to keep things in order and the lid on. It was actual governance, so I never took much interest in it despite various people thinking I’d be good at it and wanting me to consider getting into it. But that didn’t change the guy mowing my lawn… Read more »
I understood “deep” to refer to its entrenched nature rather than strictly secretive.
It seems useful to me to remember the first time I heard the term “deep state”. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I can’t remember hearing the term before 2015 or so, around the time Trump was campaigning. It appears to me to be a term injected into The Hive Mind by the media itself. For myself, Noticing cracks since the Waco Debacle, I used the term “Shadow Cabinet” in my own private ruminations. While this name is not original to myself, I feel it sums up my conception of the Ruler Caste quite well. Both terms convey the nature… Read more »
Butter is bad! Use margarine! (oops, it will kill you)
Frying in beef tallow is bad! Use hydrogenated oil! (oops, that will kill you)
Fat in Pringles is bad! Use olestra! (oops, it gives you diarrhea so bad you’ll wish you were dead)
Beef is bad! Use “processed” bean/bug burgers instead (oops, I see a pattern here)
How in holy heck do we keep falling for this?
The only bit of advice I ever took from Steve Sailer was that you want to have a diet that your family had and allowed them to live a long time. I always lived by this, just following on the cuisine traditions of my family, and I did it without giving thought to it, but as I drifted further and further from my people I made it more into a formula to live by.
Be careful about taking health advice from Steve Sailer, promoter of the Jonestown Jab.
Well, he xame a cropper on that one, to put it mildly. In his defense, he did have a close brush with cancer, and he got kinda touchy about things that might kill ya, but forgot that the supposed savior vaccine might actually be the instrument of disability, if not your death. And then he quadrupled down on his cultlike belief in the efficacy and safety of the vaccine. And this from the supposed master of “noticing”. It’s a rare day I read his output anymore. Oh, well.
Lately he’s taken to angrily defending Biden’s honor against dirt-commenters who claim—without evidence!—that 85 IQ Joe is a self-evident mental cripple (as he always has been) who’s not even President of his own underpants.
Everyone’s consistent. You just have to spot their *line*. Sailer’s is: The establishment is better than you, and so am I.
No deep state? Great news.
I always suspected “deep state” was just more squid ink deployed to keep white men from noticing that it’s the Jews.
The more and more we notice that it’s significantly the Js, the faster they are going to want to be seen as being on our good side. Things will start to change, however crawlingly and gradually. The crime of the century was not allowing whites to follow in the footsteps of their people and maintain a skeptical view of the Js and allow jokes about them. That’s what keeps them honest. They need to know the boundaries or they run amok. I remember in high school the best way to keep them honest and in line was to allow jokes… Read more »
My first experience with this was in HS. Jews comprised something like a half a percent of my HS student body and yet their parents on the school board (gee, how did that happen?) always managed to get the start of spring break week to coincide with Passover Sunday. My junior year, they lost the election for school board and the new board members made sure that Spring break week would follow Easter Sunday. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but one of the new board members (who we always suspected was mobbed-up) told the most vocal… Read more »
When you say if Scwaub didn’t exist, the system would create him, the system IS the Deep State.
The old equivalent to the WEF is the Masons. The Masons were a creature of the people who belonged to it, not the other way around. If there wasn’t a Schwab with his WEF scheme-scam some other high-watt grifter would have cooked up something similar.
there is no “were ” in the masons. they are more powerful than ever.
The Deep State, that some sort of a porn film or something?
In all hilariousness though, I’d be curious to know how effective a deep state could be if it did in fact exist, presumably to enforce ideological purity or compliance among the populace. Perhaps the east German DDRs Stasi police state was one of the most effective we’ve seen.
“Of course, we all know that there is no such thing as a deep state . . .”
Z-man, this is a credibility killer for me and why I’m looking at this blog less and less.
There is always, ALWAYS a deep state. The powerful behind the curtain are always, ALWAYS conspiring with each other to enhance their power. Everything else is illusion.
But you don’t think that it has taken on a life of its own? True, at the outset there were a few key people concocting some scheme to control us, academics mainly and a few oligarchs, and they may have constituted something we could call a deep state, but they needed a flock to carry forth their vision. Right? They needed converts. I think we are at that stage now where the massive flock they needed is finally all assembled such that we are past the deep state phase and into the implementation phase. That the members of the flock… Read more »
If you, me and everyone else can see it, it’s no longer deep
Not anymore
Not saying it wasn’t at some point. But times have changed. People need to keep up and stop living in the past
If you are here to have your beliefs confirmed, you have entered the wrong place. This is not that.
I was noticing that he’s already gotten 22 upvotes. Maybe this is that?
Good point
I think what we’re seeing is the DR splintering on the idea of the deep state
Looks like 10% are skeptical and agnostic about it but 90% hold by it.
It’s a complicated subject though. And it needs to be defined.
For example, if we replace “deep state” with “regime” as has been noted, we’d find greater common ground.
“It’s a complicated subject though. And it needs to be defined.” Exactly. One of my earlier posts deals with this. But, you see the difference between the left and the right with this issue. The left is like, “Tell me what to say.” The right is more individualistic. “The term Deep State is inaccurate. I think we should use the term regime.” “Yes, I agree.” “I disagree. The term Deep State is both descriptive and already in use.” “Well, its in use just cuz you’re stupid!” “Oh, yeah. Stupid this, asshole. (Thud)” I am not wedded to anything. However, once… Read more »
Could the “Deep State” be unelected career bureaucrats?
The Deep State is the permenant bureaucratic bee hive that defends itself against all others but has no intelligence of it’s own. The Other are the smallish group of men who have learned to enthusiastically control the hive for their own ends. Their object is to take everyone into the hive excepting themselves.
This post is spot on. There’s so little I can add to it. I have reservations that the dirt people will ever cogently understand what’s going on. Dirt people are not philosophers and take their politics in broad strokes. All they know is prices going up >>>Strange European man on TV telling them to eat bugs >>>Politicians on private jets to consort with European Man>>> Therefore conspiracy. I’ve never been on the ground floor of a revolution, but I can imagine that even with the Capital burning down the dirt people doing it see only broad sweeping strokes. Man in… Read more »
We are at the point where the two, the clouds and the dirts, have to interact with each other, where implementation of the plan conceived of on high now needs its functionaries to bring down into the dirt. And the results are quite humorous. They had to hire Laquisha to bring the plan from the castle to the fields, and it’s not going to work out for them like they may have hoped. Yeah I guess they do have unpaid interns and volunteers, Karen’s if you will, but if they start guilt tripping the dirts too much more they are… Read more »
I think we’re in a memetic crisis, or that thing we’ve come to call a purity spiral. The elites are all the same and want the same thing, which is to be the most pure, the best practitioner of the new religion. In fact, everyone who lives in the same frame of reference desires the exact same thing, which is why neighborhoods that are hardly elite sport the latest “pride” flag or Ukraine flag or have written, “I dissent,” on their cars or have a, “In this house we believe…” sign out front. So, of course they all land on… Read more »
America has gone through periods of religious revival.
I had always assumed that the revivals happened among the dirt people, grassroots, Midwesterners and rural folk, from the bottom upward.
What today is teaching me is that religious revivals can happen among the elites while the dirt people are unaffected and unmoved, top to bottom revivals. But this may be a yankee thing and probably has happened a number of time before.
I do think there have been several secular Great Awakenings among the Yankee Puritans since witch burning went out of fashion. Abolitionism springs to mind. If you really look into that movement, there was a lot of nuttiness there as well. An inordinate amount of time and space was spent on the horrible possibility the owners might have sex with their slaves, as one example. There continued to be a traditional religious element tied to abolitionism, but the thread had started to wear thin. Scientism was probably the first iteration that shed the old-time religion. Social Darwinism, for example, explained… Read more »
It was Europe that burned witches (well into the 18th c. in the case of Poland and Hungary.) The Spanish in Santa Fe and the Puritans in NE hanged them. Not that it makes it better, but fewer than a hundred were hanged as opposed to the many thousands who were executed in Europe.
Accuracy matters. Thanks.
I’ve understood the deep state as the permanent bureaucracy + regulatory capture, roughly. That’s a dry notion, so why would it have caught on with the public and merged with conspiracism? “You do not have to line your clothes with aluminum foil to wonder if there is not something going on off camera that explains what is happening.” The craziness and instability, especially when it seems unstoppable, makes you think there must be some hidden, malevolent hand behind it. I certainly have. On a personal note, the ideas are coming faster than I can string them together coherently, along with… Read more »
So here’s a coherent thought, and I’ll let it be. The idea that democracy is totalitarian (because all-consuming) and illiberal (because Consensus!) is hard for me to swallow as a brainwashed American, but it gives a logic to things I can otherwise only ascribe to religion, insanity, etc. It also solves some contradictions if democracy isn’t Democracy! Hence my excitement.
“Satan… wacky… lol!”
If I were you, I wouldn’t laugh out loud at the Father of Lies.
My guess is that he is deadly serious about what he does.
And that he always has the last laugh.
He is for sure, but deception must be a weak power if human minds can figure it out, so he must be a weakling. Satan deserves mockery (forgive me), then pity, then indifference. Which, of course, means he’ll be back at some point, but that’s how God set it up, I guess. Were it possible to end lies entirely!
“He is for sure, but deception must be a weak power if human minds can figure it out, so he must be a weakling.”
You are woefully misunderestimating your foe.
And your arrogance is precisely the tool which he will wield to destroy you.
Assuming he is indeed your foe; that you haven’t already jumped into bed with him.
Maybe arrogant, idk, but I’ll admit that in a past life I was wicked in my own small way, and I paid my small price for it, and learned some little bit about evil— enough to know to fear God only and to not be so timid or passive. But feel free to cast doubt. I’m just a nobody on the internet with an opinion, and others can make of that opinion what they will.
“Satan deserves mockery…”
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
-Jude 1:9
Something to think over, perhaps.
Satan lost, was stripped of glory and reduced to deception. I don’t think I’m above being deceived, but mocking losers is one of those things that makes me possibly heretical, admittedly.
A sizable chunk of the Old Testament can be summed up in the first verse of Proverbs 21:
The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord;
he turns it wherever he will. (ESV)
God indeed uses tyrants and evil people to accomplish His purposes. That does not make Him evil; that’s what it takes to get the attention of those who are stiff-necked and disobedient, including whole nations.
Give the prophecy of Isaiah a read. Substitute America for Israel. See how well it fits.
I don’t remember the whole book, but being ruled by women and oppressed by children sure has fit and hopefully is starting to change!
this is a scourge of god for the shirt of Nessus that is Protestantism .protestantism is the devils religion. Jews are satans agents , but the devil created protestantism
Seems to me Protestantism might be called the Germanic church, with all that implies.
Think about all these news events that receive major coverage for a few days and then we never hear another word about them from the police, government, or media. First there was a huge story about a “biracial” boy who was supposedly hung with a noose by a bunch of white kids in New Hampshire (which predated the Jussie Smollett hoax by a couple years). After a day or so of hand-wringing on the major news networks, the story predictably started to unravel, and there has been absolutely nothing said or printed about this story since. Then there was the… Read more »
That’s because all those other crimes were committed on just plain old dirt. The sac-religious pipe bomb incident (real or imagined) occurred on higher ground upon the magic dirt surrounding the sacred shrine to Democracy and the hallowed halls therein – peace be upon it.
“George Soros is part of the deep state, even though the deep state is supposed to be a shadowy group of people unknown to the general public.” Soros and Schwab are just Emmanuel Goldstein’s for the right. Rule of thumb: If you know their name and have seen them on media, they are not in charge. TPTB do not wish publicity. What they are doing can get them killed so they hide in plain sight or in a bunker. Saying that the “Deep State” doesn’t really exist is just an exercise in semantics. There is something, so people define it.… Read more »
I really don’t think they care about guys like Soros or Schwab being out there in the open or hidden. They say what they want for the rest of us, and what are you going to do about it?
The world global leaders do things like reaching into citizen’s banking accounts (Trudeau) and get away with it. It’s all out in the open. Why do they have to remain hidden?
Why do they have to remain hidden? The same reason they are trying to get rid of guns. They’re potentially targets if the “wrong” people know who they are.
George Soros openly says he wants to destroy America. What more could anyone who’s hidden say?
And when some Nip with a home made shotgun takes him out, it won’t matter. The machine will still exist and now will have a martyr for the cause.
Soros has been getting his anti-Prosecutors elected left and right with nary a cross word from his nominal “political opponents”. He might not be “in charge” but he’s pretty high up the pyramid.
Soros is high up there, compared to, say, the White House Press Secretary, but he is mostly a front. The money he dispenses is not his to give. He is instructed what to do and does it. Consider him a “lieutenant colonel”.
The biggest problem I have with e books is that I lose my sense of linearity and time lines. Example if reading the Bible we know Exodus comes after Genesis or that the epistles of Paul were down through history from Isaiah. But with an I phone and an E Book you just type in the reference and it pops on the screen. No sense of where you really are on a timeline. Like a GPS. Type in an address but you get no feedback as a real printed map gives as to your actual location on the planet. Most… Read more »
GLG,add to that the fact that they aren’t taught basic math skills anymore, nor are they taught to read and write in cursive any longer,when the power goes out they will be helpless. Cashiers can’t make change, and we come to find out our grandkids can’t read our Christmas cards. As the saying goes, thank a teacher.
You’re quibbling. “Just as the reality of the universe lies beyond the interface of space-time…” On what basis can you make this assertion except supposition? “It is not a collection of super villains controlling the world. It is a system that produces the super villains it needs to control the population over which it rules.” These two sentences say the same thing. ” If Klaus Schwab did not exist, the system would simply invent him.” Klaus Schwab as in “Klaus Schwab” didn’t exist, so the system invented him. What you seem to be driving at is that the mind/emotion creates… Read more »
OrangeFrog
If you don’t mind, I would like to add to your post (which is quite good), and say I think one could add psychotic and sociopath to the descriptions of the “elites” in the Deep State.
Ergo, the Sociopathy and Psychopathy translate into incompetence and stupidity.
Annnd… the post above was supposed to be below Glens/Frogs post below.
I guess there’s no “Military / Industrial Complex” either. Maybe we can get our four billion back?
I guess it is not an either…or. When you see many actors going in the same direction can be conspiracy or ideology. There is a great deal of ideology in the managerial elite. It is the political correct religion. They follow the herd, either because they follow their acquaintances or because they follow the leaders that they watch on TV or read on the New York Times. This is especially true in the lower ranks of the managerial elite: civil servants, clerks, professionals (such as lawyers), etc. But there is somebody who has to set the direction the herd is… Read more »
Am I moderated now? What should I do to redeem myself?
It has happened to me as well recently. I composed a post this morning that went into moderation inexplicably, as there were none of the traditional “triggers” in said post. After receiving notification, I copied the post to the clipboard, as it took a little time and effort to compose it, and I would like another bite at the apple should it not clear moderation the first time. No, it does not make sense along the usual explanatory framework.
Thank you for this information, JJ.
One major advantage of e-books: they allow you to carry a mini-library on a single device. So it’s not without some convenience. That said, actual paper books remain superior to anything that electronics can do. After much deliberation over these matters, I believe that Zman is right that there exists no literal deep state. My own long-time suspicion is that bankers run everything. It’s the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. I suppose we could label the top bankers a “deep state” of sorts, though that wouldn’t add much clarity to these issues. It seems pretty… Read more »
I like books as well, but what I read is not popular and often must be ordered from publisher stock as it’s not carried in traditional stores. The time delay is not acceptable. I have been forced to create a virtual library. I find the book in electronic form and I download it. Cheaper and faster. There is convenience in having a library on my IPad, but many (academic) books I read are not currently in print, so one has to go online to find the original source. In the case of journal articles, with those journals that insist on… Read more »
Sheila Bair headed the FDIC and wrote an interesting book after her term ended. I read it on an e-book and loved the quotes and references she included. One click took you to the original source – can’t do that with a paper book. Also better in dim light and obtaining a book minutes after deciding you want to read it. Also intend to bequeath it to a nephew when I croak. I had so many paper books I ordered titles I knew I already had because I couldn’t find them in the multitude of boxes in the garage.
The best way I’ve come up with to think about space time is that eventually one makes the other irrelevant.
The idea of “deep state” was first concocted to explain the workings of the Turkish state, which was apparently controlled by a cabal of military and intelligence operatives. Then the notion was taken up by the likes of Peter Dale Scott and transplanted to the US setting and the setting of the global US empire. Until around six or seven years ago people like myself were using the term in this context — i.e. the tightly interwoven interests of Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence agencies, and the emerging mass media cartel (effectively six large corporations). Then around six… Read more »
This is where I am at as well. Zman distinguishes between the managerial state and the deep state, but to me they were always the same concept. Unelected bureaucrats, billionaires and the media complex moving in sync to various religious doctrines, using politicians as their sock puppets. I guess the fact that we know who most of them are removes the “deep” shadowy image. They have also been more brazen about operating in the open once demographic replacement and election rigging took hold, guaranteeing them permanent power and control.
I view the managerial class as “the help,” and the Deep State as the oligarchs they serve. As I mentioned elsewhere, there is some overlap, such as in the case of Fauci who moves from the private sector to government and back to benefit himself and his friends.
On the off chance that you haven’t seen it, here’s an interview with Peter Dale Scott:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article169316.html
There’s also Mike Lofgren’s book on the subject.
Arshad Ali: Well put. I was the sort who dismissed all of the standard conspiracy theories. But the past few years have increasingly proven far too many ‘kooky’ theories to be true . . . or proven the actual truth to be kookier than the conspiracy theory. No, I don’t really go on about Bohemian Grove, but just as in doing genealogy, I notice certain names turning up over and over again. And then even a little bit of digging turns up that ‘x’ is related to ‘y’ or both x and y had ‘z’ as a mentor. While the… Read more »
Thee was an essay published in the book, “Power in Economics”, which was published around fifty years ago, which looks at the family connections in the British power establishment. Family, school (Eton, Harrow, Winchester), and club determine the British power structure. The same in the USA, the same in France, probably the same in Japan. These are unaccountable structures of power. I’m not complaining. It’s what the 19th century Italian theorist Mosca called “the Iron Law of Oligarchy.” Oligarchy is the natural form of rule, but in the USA, Britain, France and elsewhere it’s camouflaged by the farce of elections.… Read more »
Yes, this. I have read some Scott but thanks for the links.
I view the managerial elite as the help and the oligarchs as the Deep State. Falcone is correct that “deep” as in hidden no longer applies, but the other definition, which is basically burrowed far in, still applies.
What is new, or newish, is the transnational nature of the oligarchs. It makes them particularly dangerous since they owe no allegiance to the dirt below their feet and are just as at home in Burgundy as in Napa.
There is a cute movie from 1970 starring Glen Ford: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0066864/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 “The Brotherhood of The Bell”. Glenn Ford joins a secret society in college (title) and thinks nothing of it until one day he receives a mysterious phone call (IIRC) where he is asked to do something for a “Brother”. Ford doesn’t even remember the “Brotherhood” and must be reminded harshly (?) that he owes his current “success” to mysterious behind the scenes promotion of his “Brothers” I never thought of the movie until I began to hear of any number of famous neocons who were “Yalies” and who were… Read more »
Yeah, I saw that film on television in the late ’70s. It’s one of my favorite films from that era (the other is “The Parallax View”, with Warren Beatty). It was an era when the US ruling class allowed some criticism of itself and some revealing and disturbing insights in that criticism. I also like the books of Richard Condon and the novels of James Ellroy. I suppose that makes me a “conspiracy theorist”, to which i must perforce plead guilty as charged.
“Skull and Bones” is part of the, er, “deep state.” You might like to watch the film “W”, where there’s a snippet on GWB being inducted into S&B.
Good film.
There is a difference, and maybe not that great of one, between nepotism/social networking and forming a caste that exerts basic control over a society. That’s been done before, obviously, but as I mentioned earlier the transnational nature of the Deep State is different.
Since W and John Kerry were in Skull and Bones, it is pretty obvious the group did not select on intellect or any other form of merit.
This is something that Murray Rothbard thoroughly documented. In particular he did the exercise for the actors at the outset of the Progressive era. It is a cult with multiple feeder/breeding organizations and then multiple transformation projects for the cult members to work on and enrich themselves with. The cult falls apart when it runs out of other people’s money. Essentially, Progressivism is facism, which is one of the two siblings of Mother Socialism. It has a mechanism to make the other people in the other people’s money people in the future. That ability is reaching its expiration date. The… Read more »
“The ads for food made from bugs make a lot more sense when you imagine a secret cabal plotting to kill off farming to please Gaia.”
It’s all out in the open.
Everything’s a psyop.
https://tessa.substack.com/p/johnny-vedmore?utm_source=email yeah these guys
I think people are evolving their opinions A few years ago it seemed impossible to imagine or fathom the magnitude of the problem, so it came more readily that all the weird things happening must be because of sinister shadowy forces in the background manipulating things and pulling strings. But now we can see things more clearly and that it really is less of a sinister group than it is that all the elites belong to some weird cult. The cultish aspects are finally revealing themselves. But doesn’t every cult has a spiritual leader? Real or imagined? It’s kind of… Read more »
‘The World Economic Forum is a crackpot idea that appeals to the vanity of the managerial class…validation needed to turn the thing into Burning Man for the managerial elite’.
While a clever insult to the WEF, those guys might take it as a compliment.
As much as I disagree with the premise of this piece, ” Burning Man for the managerial elite” is a brilliant line.
Yeah, i caught the dox. Hope all is well. Those guys are contemptable.
What do you mean? Who got doxed?