The New Right And Old Enemies

From a dissident perspective, the squabbles between the professional conservatives and their critics in what they are calling the New Right is like see something of a proof of dissident critiques of conservatism. Many of the charges levelled at the professional conservatives are borrowed, without attribution, from dissidents. The main charge, that conservatives have conserved nothing, was a mainstay of dissident discussion before Trump arrived to discredit the conservative establishment.

The term “New Right” itself is borrowed from the old alt-right. Back in 2016 when the alt-right was morphing into old school white nationalism, those not interested in going in that direction were labeled the alt-light. Guys like Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobic started calling their thing the New Right as a way to add legitimacy to their activity on social media. Sohrab Ahmari appropriated the term and uses it to describe those criticizing institutional conservatism.

Putting that aside, the back and forth between various groups is useful in understanding what happened with American conservatism. If there is going to be some new force that rises up to challenge the status quo, it will need to avoid the errors made by conservatives in the last century. The debate also provides an avenue for understanding the much larger trends that have led to this point. Ideas matter and it is the ebb and flow of ideas that animates history.

This post in the Claremont publication American Mind by Michael Anton is a good example of how ideas shape actions. Anton is responding to this post by someone calling himself Michael Watson. Those old enough to recall the purging of the paleocons by the National Review crowd will recognize the pattern. Instead of addressing the criticism coming from their right, the conservatives accuse the critics of being anti-Semitic and thus disqualified from the debate.

For his part, Anton responds in the predictable way. He endorses the central claim that any criticism of certain people is off limits, thus his job is to prove that his ideas do not fall into that bucket. The paleos went down this road back in the 1980’s when they insisted that criticizing Israel and Israeli influence in American foreign policy was not an attack on Jews. The neocons were undeterred and paid off enough conservatives, primarily Bill Buckley, to make the charge stick.

For those interested, Bill Buckley produced a special edition of National Review to condemn the paleos. He then turned it into a book. No doubt that American Enterprise, Heritage and other conservative money machines bought skids of the book as a reward for his efforts. Here is a transcript of Buchanan being interviewed on PBS about the charges levelled against him. Thirty years on and we see the same tricks being used by institutional conservatism to guard their right.

Interestingly, Anton makes no mention of the fact that Watson is a member of the neoconservatism cult. He is the associate director of the Center for the Future of Liberal Society at the Hudson Institute. For those interested in the deep state theory of everything, their wiki page is a cornucopia of material. For those interested in anti-Semitism, it reads like something from Kevin MacDonald. It is a good example of how relentless pursuit of group interest can easily look like conspiracy.

Anton has his reasons for avoiding the elephant in the room, but the elephant is at the heart of the debate. Neoconservatism has never made any sense as a subset of Anglo-Conservatism, as its primary focus is international. Conservatism is the elevation of the near over the far, the local over the distant. The singular focus of neoconservatism is the ancient enemies of the Jewish people, both near and far. Given the lack of anti-Semites locally, it is obsessed with distant enemies from the past.

The temptation is to hang all of this on the Jews, but the fact is neoconservatism has become a weird subculture that revolves around the concept of Israel. Many of the biggest neocons are not Jewish. Watson is obviously not Jewish. Bill Buckley was obviously not Jewish. Large swaths of the Evangelical subculture are obsessed with supporting Israel at the expense of everything. Since the Cold War, this subculture has driven conservative politics, right into oblivion.

For this reason, it is easy to see why many on the so-called New Right are loath to take on the neocons. They have a lot of money and they lack a soul. They will say the nastiest things about anyone who crosses them. Taking on a well-heeled collection of sociopaths with institutional power is dangerous. The trouble is, there is no air for a “new right” until the Right is purged of this pestilence. Neoconservatism has to be read out of politics in general, not just right-wing politics.

There are plenty of easy targets in the neocon space. Thirty years ago, neoconservatism was run by smart and clever men. Today it is populated with cranks and crazies who are easy to mock. More important, their schemes have resulted in an evolving economic and political disaster. Pinning the economic war against Russia on the neocons is easy money. The New Right would be wise to borrow a trick from Saul Alinsky and make the neocons own the Ukraine disaster.

Of course, this comes to the other elephant in the room. Conservatism is a business and the neocons have a near lock on the flow of money. They control the billion-dollar think tank racket. They control access to big donors. The reason that First Things continues to publish a nut job like George Weigel is money. His war mongering lunacy and bigotry is out of step with the site, but institutional conservatism likes him so he is tolerated in order to avoid offending the money men.

The golden rule says that the man with the gold makes the rules and that is the problem that any alternative to institutional conservatism faces. Either it accepts poverty as the price for political commitment or it builds a parallel funding mechanism. Whether or not the New Right understands this is unclear. The only way to achieve the latter is to take Alinsky’s advice and focus on the problem, personalize it and then polarize it, forcing people to pick sides, thus neutralizing it.


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Garry Black
Garry Black
1 year ago

so good book, Whites are not tribal. This has a long story.

Zan Zibar
Zan Zibar
Reply to  Garry Black
1 year ago

Yes. They are. Or there would not be 20+ countries in Europe.

Bilejones
Member
1 year ago

Kunstler is a must read today. His choice of resting place is perfect. “Worse is better,” V. Lenin used to explain to his Bolshevik cohorts in their vicious pursuit of power. And is there any question now that this is the same operational formula of the shadowy crew behind “Joe Biden” in its mission to turn the American Republic into a branch-office of the Schwabenklausian trans-human techno-tyranny? “Joe B” is doing his part to personally make things worse by taking Paxlovid, the Pfizer wonder drug that wondrously amps up Covid-19 symptoms and extends the course of the illness — as… Read more »

George 1
George 1
1 year ago

Well if the neocons are successful we may not need to worry about our political struggles much longer. It looks like they now want to challenge China, go to war with Russia and go to war with Iran at the same time. There is no way that the U.S. prevails in any of those wars conventionally with our current military. If it goes nuclear no one wins. Their Syria project was part of the plan to attack Iran. The neocons envisioned using Syria as a staging area but the Russians intervened. They have still not given up on that though.… Read more »

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  George 1
1 year ago

Well if the neocons are successful we may not need to worry about our political struggles much longer. It looks like they now want to challenge China, go to war with Russia and go to war with Iran at the same time.

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Reminiscent of the megalomania of a certain cat fancier 80 odd years ago. They should have heeded the warning: “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  George 1
1 year ago

“Now I know many find it hard to blame jews.”

Stop being disingenuous. Many find it hard to buy completely into the cult of antisemitism; which is apparently required if one is to truly “understand” the JQ. These buttmunches attach themselves to a movement like ticks on a dog’s ass and always bog things down with their obsession. The irony is these groups usually prove the least resilient to subversion by their stated “enemy”.

George 1
George 1
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 year ago

You are right. It sure looks like a duck.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  George 1
1 year ago

On a per capital basis the national debt of Israel is about 1/3 rd that of the US. As a percentage of GDP, about half.
The filth in DC drive the US deeper into debt to pay them.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
1 year ago

They might not be jewish. but jewmoney [THEY PRINT IT] is burning up in their pockets and heading for the Caymans. Traitors, the whole lot. Traitors to their country, their people, their own families. Good luck living with that on your mind and soul as you become an old fuck. Hell awaits.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Dennis Roe
1 year ago

More like parasites or rats fleeing a sinking ship. Can’t call something a traitor that was always doing whatever it could to subvert you.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
1 year ago

But the fiasco in the ‘Kraine does not belong to the neocons, Z. That one is squarely on the shitlibs. At this point, classical neoconnery is kept alive largely by geriatric Boomers that still believe the shite they read in the mass media.

The dissidents are starting to drag things the way they need to go. Keep up the good work guys!

George 1
George 1
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

I believe Victoria Nuland is one of the project managers for the Ukraine project.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

Yes, every clone I’ve seen sporting the Ukraine pin and seal clapping “I stand with Ukraine” was a shitlib. Come to think of it, I don’t recall a single neocon of importance below 60 these days.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

It’s been a neocon project since 2012.

This piece goes back to 2015.

https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/

Elf2006
Elf2006
1 year ago

“ Ideas matter and it is the ebb and flow of ideas that animates history..”
Not really, but its good for animating the masses. Money is a stronger motive as you then remind us.

The Neocons don’t just back the Nazis in Ukraine- they created them.
Lets call them Nose-Nazis.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
1 year ago

The logo of AEI looks like it’s from the Hebrew alphabet.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
1 year ago

“Many of the biggest neocons are not Jewish.”

This is the objection that prevents people from seeing the effects of the jewish people on whites.

These non-jewish neocons are either incentivized (you wrote “paid off enough conservatives”), have been misled by their vision of Christianity, or have had their morality hijacked by the media.

Of course, whites will always have selfish scoundrels among us, but that is not our main problem.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

LineInTheSand: “These non-jewish neocons are either incentivized (you wrote “paid off enough conservatives”), have been misled by their vision of Christianity, or have had their morality hijacked by the media.” A fourth possibility is that the non-jewish neocons were very fastidiously & painstakingly SELECTED to play precisely the roles which they are playing in this jew-staged drama, precisely because the non-jewish neocons had the personality types which the jews knew how to mold & control & guide & activate & energize & deploy in furtherance of jewish objectives. I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but I implore the… Read more »

Presbyter
Presbyter
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Many Christians ( most especially Evangelicals and vaguely Protestant) identify the modern secular Israel with the Israel of the Bible ( itself an aggressive state).
While the contemporary Catholic Church officially got on the “ we worship the same God…my pal the Rabbi” bandwagon many lay ( and clerical) Catholics still have enough ethnicity to be at best lukewarm.

Gilbert Pinefeld
Gilbert Pinefeld
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Jewish people are a white ethnic group. “Jewish people and whites” is like saying “Dutch people and whites” or “Castilians and whites”. The same people that were claiming there was this profound racial division between certain whites and Jews ethnically cleansed millions of Slavs on the same basis. In the US, WASPs enforced soft discrimination against both Jews and Catholic and Orthodox white people from Southern/Eastern Europe.

Pallycon
Pallycon
1 year ago

The regression-to-the-mean angle is important to understand why ground has shifted under the neo’s feet. They began to teeter when other fellow-traveler on the right (this would include myself during 00s and early 10s) realized their worldwide war plan was actually not “thinking outside the box” but merely a more sentimental, matzoh-textured version of 30s Italian futurism. I think there is a lot of personality overlap between Ayn Rand cultists and what Steve Sailer dubbed invade/invite coalition, even though these two would fiercely oppose each other on technical foreign policy questions. I used to think ideology had actual force independent… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Pallycon
1 year ago

Pallycon: “I used to think ideology had actual force independent of other conditions and didn’t realize how often personality precedes politics. McCain had an historically obnoxious persona and so he signed up for the worst neo ideas. Now, sometimes a real s.o.b. can still do the right thing or may even be uniquely qualified for doing it, so I am not proposing a Kantian principle here, just saying this is something to evaluate among the factors.” Concentrate on Psychology [“personality”, as you call it], and Empiricism [observed facts about reality as it actually exists]. Psychology & Empiricism will lead you… Read more »

Memebro
Memebro
1 year ago

You know, by this point I doubt that anyone in the various subsets of “respectable conservatism” is even ABLE to shed the shackles of neoconservatism. It is like having a useless appendage that you’ve lived with your entire life, but have grown so accustomed to that you take it for granted. I think many of them simply couldn’t criticize our Israeli foreign policy or question the disproportion of influence of various PACs and so forth, even if they wanted to. It is too deeply ingrained, so much so that it has become a reflexive thing, like when the Dr taps… Read more »

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
1 year ago

OT: In case anyone hasn’t heard, Zhou Bai-Den has the Wuhan Flu.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Brandon Lasko
1 year ago

And Kamalatoe is warming up in the bullpen.

James J. O'Meara
James J. O'Meara
1 year ago

“The temptation is to hang all of this on the Jews, but the fact is neoconservatism has become a weird subculture that revolves around the concept of Israel. Many of the biggest neocons are not Jewish. Watson is obviously not Jewish. Bill Buckley was obviously not Jewish. Large swaths of the Evangelical subculture are obsessed with supporting Israel at the expense of everything” You don’t have to be Jewish to be Jewish. (When did Christians ever care about, you know., logic and stuff?) The key fact about Christianity — which explains both its success and its intellectual incoherence — is… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  James J. O'Meara
1 year ago

Luther wrote a great book that argued against this. This is a 20th Century phenomenon. Judaism was seen as a fallen branch from the tree until mostly the aftermath of WW2. It goes to show that religion is NOT upstream from institutional control after all. It’s quite downstream. Heck, even downstream from Fox News.

Ancient Mason
Ancient Mason
Reply to  James J. O'Meara
1 year ago

A lot of this has to do with Dispensationalist theology, an arcane method of Biblical interpretation that is hugely influential in American evangelical churches

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 year ago

It’s a lot easier to grapple with if you acknowledge that WASPs have been in steep decline since WWII. Why has everything gone crazy since then? Because the people who ran things are no longer in control. Broach the JQ or not; it’s not necessary.

OverCommentor
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Yes it does you coward, so if WASPS aren’t in control, then who is? What tribe do they belong to? Why are they 2% of the population, but they are the head of EVERY law enforcement agency in the federal government? Why can’t you engage with reality?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  OverCommentor
1 year ago

If my car has a bad wheel bearing, it’s useful to know what caused it to go bad, but knowing the cause doesn’t fix it.

Sometimes you just replace the bearing and don’t obsess over the why, because you’ve got to get to work.

Zan Zibar
Zan Zibar
Reply to  OverCommentor
1 year ago

This is a typical of the type of response we see from those who are JQ-obsessed: 1) Start out with some sort of invective/name-calling (“coward”) 2) Then some sort of ridiculous factually-incorrect claim designed to deflect the thread to a debate about Jews (“they control every law enforcement agency”) rather than the topic at hand 3) Total obliviousness to group membership of any people involved in positions of power other than Jews (for example, Biden is Catholic, Pelosi is Catholic, AOC is Catholic, 66.7% of the Supreme Court is Catholic, James Comey was Catholic, Christopher Wray is Catholic or Episcopal,… Read more »

Horace
Horace
1 year ago

“The temptation is to hang all of this on the Jews, but the fact is neoconservatism has become a weird subculture that revolves around the concept of Israel. Many of the biggest neocons are not Jewish.” You are certainly correct. However, it is also correct to say that if there were no Jews in America from 1890 on, NONE of this would be happening. The dyscivilizational goyim like WF Buckley did not come to their views in a vacuum. The goyish neocons are Janissaries with pens and keyboards. They were entrained in an engineered preference cascade with social and financial… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Horace
1 year ago

Have to agree. I appreciate that Z is not hanging all of today’s troubles on the little hats…that kind of thinking can make you go batty…but those same hats are centrally involved in all that’s become clown world. If the diaspora had stayed in Europe or Palestine, then we would certainly be living in a much different world.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

“I appreciate that Z is not hanging all of today’s troubles on the little hats…” I strongly agree with this. Consider a thought experiment where all little hats in America upped and went to the country that wants them all to come. There is no question that the vast majority of our problems would remain. However, they would become more solvable. The excesses of oligarchy are always a problem for any civilization and ours has successfully dealt with it in the past when we had a European ruling class. Diversity makes normal routine hard problems impossible. Civilizations are ecosystems and… Read more »

OverCommentor
Reply to  Horace
1 year ago

“They were entrained in an engineered preference cascade with social and financial pressures and inducements.”

Oh OK, so maybe you can explain why the Amish aren’t afflicted by all the social issues the country around them is roiled in.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  OverCommentor
1 year ago

The Amish are afflicted, just not as much. However, I’m talking about engineered preference cascades within elite networks. The proles invariably do what they are told or endure what they must. It doesn’t matter what we proles think unless elites really, really screw up, because we aren’t thinking at all until we have no other choice.

OverCommentator
Reply to  Horace
1 year ago

Just not as much, in fact so little it is undetectable. Their elite seem to have no problem staying the course, even with all the same temptations, just a few miles away. So this society of Amish don’t seem to have any bad actors to induce these “engineered preference cascades” you seem to think are inevitable. China has maintained a continuous civilization course for thousands of years, gee whiz whats the common factor here, hmm hmm it’s almost like any group that doesn’t have small hat rats seems to do just fine.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

The shining star of the Hudson Institute is the formerly corpulent monster, Mike Pompeo. If you want to install a Dr. Strangelove in the Whitehouse, who’ll surely turn the entire country into a blob of melted glass and radioactive hell-scape, go for Pompeo. He wants the job so badly he stopped stuffing his face with free Capital Grille dinners from defense lobbyists just to fit well into an empty suit. That’s bad. He would literally kill for the job. I can see it in his dead, volcano demon possessed eyes.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

It sounds as though you have also recently read the horrific, “Three Lighthouses,” address Pompeo gave to the Hudson Institute.

I agree he’s a dark horse to look out for on the Republican side of the 2024 elections, particularly if the neocon gang realizes what he’s about.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

How many other (than Pompeo) former functionaries are the US taxpayers paying $US 2M per month for their security? https://tinyurl.com/2wy7wxm9 “Iran threat” LOL.

Winter
Winter
1 year ago

Even if Buckley wasn’t Jewish, you can bet that his puppet-masters were. Whether by bribery or blackmail, they seem to hold nearly all of the puppet strings on both sides of the great divide.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Winter
1 year ago

Irving Kristol and Midge Decter

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Winter
1 year ago

Buckley might not have been echoey, but a golden shekels to your wooden nickle says that his rent boys were.

Zan Zibar
Zan Zibar
Reply to  Winter
1 year ago

Buckley was Catholic — but I suppose we don’t have to do any sort of looking into what other disreputable figures were Catholic. “Even if Buckley wasn’t Jewish, you can bet that his puppet-masters were.” “A common criticism…is best expressed as, ‘Why are all things I don’t like full of Jews?’ I call this Magic Jew Theory. The anti-Semite is forever playing ‘Where’s Shlomo?’ in an effort to pin his sorrows on the Jews. They root around until they find a Jew, shout ‘Eureka!’ and then proceed to explain how it is all the fault of the Jews. When Kevin… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

“Large swaths of the Evangelical subculture are obsessed with supporting Israel at the expense of everything.” – Christianity, after losing the culture and the heart of the people, has gone down many blind alleys. The dumbest of the Christians, the really stupid, have gone down this particular alley where they exist as spiritual galley slaves to Judaism. Some of the most vicious arguments I’ve been in involve this topic. And they always blurt out in the end “Israel is a democracy! The only one in the region!” Sorry, “muh democracy” doesn’t even work on me even for this country. Maybe… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

I have had same discussions with some of my conservative Christian friends. Not all evangelicals are wrapped up in the Scofield Bible nonsense but a significant number are, I was once one of them.
A piece of real estate with the name Israel in the Middle East blinds them to all the other references in the New Testament that the true Israel of God is the church.
It’s much like progressivism in its blindness.
Christian Zionism and the Scofield Bible has caused untold damage to true conservatism in the United States.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

JR-

I’ve had similar experiences with the Israel-first crowd.

Even the merest hint of a question regarding their patriotism makes them go apoplectic.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Yes! I’ve noticed it’s not a software issue it’s a firmware issue. Those damn chosen people got into the very firmware of Christianity. People go nuts when multiple layers of their belief system are ripped away at once. Just wait until they start WW3, it’ll happen one way or another.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Back in the pre-internet days shysters like Falwell and Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker were more than happy to run the con for their handlers. Falwell got a private jet out of it.

threestars
threestars
Member
1 year ago

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/07/the-lessons-of-russian-warmaking

Now, don’t hold back, Mr. Weigel, tell us what you really feel.

Thanks for the link, Mr. Z.

BerndV
Member
Reply to  threestars
1 year ago

Substitute USA for Russia in Weigel’s screed and you then have something based in reality.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  threestars
1 year ago

That article filed under the “smart guys can write dumb things for a paycheck.”

TLDR: Another 71 year old white guy with double chins calling for a war with Russia to save Ukraine “democracy”.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  threestars
1 year ago

When the opening run on sentence conflicts with reality,(who knew coups were part of, you know, real democracy’s?), I tend to pass.

Who the hell do these authors think their audience is?

OverCommentor
Reply to  threestars
1 year ago

So did the Russian kill 500,000 Ukrainian kids in their “blunt force war of stupid” Ohhhh ohhhh, wait no, that was the US during the first Desert Storm, and that was a price “we” were willing to pay, according to Madeline Albright. Wow, look at that, another jew in a position of power that managed it badly, gee wilikers it’s almost like there is a pattern here, or something.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  OverCommentor
1 year ago

But not from her, or their, perspective. When it is some identified Ancient Enemy, they wish them all death; nevermind the temporizing bullshit about hard choices with big price tags that, surpise, suprise, are worth – them – paying.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

Anton (publius decius mus) was one of those early guys I read along with VDH, among others, that helped lead me to this side of the great divide – the Flight 93 Election essay was prominent. Now his writings are way too civnat to really pay much attention to – too many topics are verboten or can only be nibbled at around the edges – it’s too bad, but such is the nature of polite conservatism. We need a practical and no nonsense version that gives no quarter and takes no prisoners.

Disruptor
Disruptor
1 year ago

For quite some time I was a member of a large conservative group with monthly attendance running several hundred, peaking up to a thousand for big ticket speakers, such as James O’Keeffe,Joe Arpaio. For the reason that the well informed would suspect, the leadership would select a disproportional number of Pamela Geller types. There was a Zionists of American table, and others of that ilk. There was a decided ra ra israel, and we need to go get the Islamics, Iran Russia, etc; big military go blow’em up over there. The attendees were goodish well-meaning people swimming in an aquarium… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Disruptor
1 year ago

I can’t help but admire how effectively the small-hats pursue their group interests. It simply astounds me how far above their weight class they punch.

Meanwhile, Whitey’s problem is that he does not function as any kind of coherent, consistent unit. That’s a big reason why the small-hats, despite being severely outnumbered, run circles around Whitey.

Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

It has been my experience that White people just don’t cooperate with each other in pursuit of their common interests, even among immediate family members. White people are completely defenseless in their own nations against the tribal and clannish groups that have arrived relatively recently.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

Whites are not tribal. This has a long story. From the universalism of Christianity vs the tribalism of Judaism. Then the Middle Ages brought us the demise of tribes, courtesy of the ban of marriage between cousins and feudalism. Then the Reform and Enlightenment constructed an individualistic worldview, which was put into practice in the capitalism of the Industrial Revolution. But the medieval Catholic Church (as the medieval Islam, which is also universalist) had mechanisms to protect society from tribalism. Jews and Muslims (in Islamic countries this was Jews and Christians) were separated. Different peoples need different laws. The better… Read more »

Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

I spoke with a Pakistani recently. He said that Indians and Pakistanis will pool their resources, even if they are unrelated and buy shares in gas stations/ convenience stores. They keep reinvesting their money a get larger and larger shares of each subsequent store until the eventually have enough to buy their own stores outright which they often lease to a new up and coming Indian/Pakistani to operate. The guy is a multimillionaire so I can’t dispute the validity of this business model. It is a type of mutual aid society that Whites just don’t engage in.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Nick Nolte's Mugshot
1 year ago

The Vietnamese coming to America did the same. 2,3,4 families buy a house, then via refinancing they would cash out to buy more houses. They had a thing called a hui (hoo ee). A group of people would throw money into the pot, the one who bid the highest interest rate would get to borrow the pot to expand a business, down payment, etc. There’s has been a lot we could have done, still much we could. Like people buying a bigger size chunk of land. There is a lot of advantages in having several people in a business, such… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

“It simply astounds me how far above their weight class they punch.”

Jews are extroverted pushy people. Northern Europeans are naturally taciturn. It’s a terrible combination.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Disruptor
1 year ago

Numb-nuts

One of my all time favorite insults.

NateG
NateG
1 year ago

Limbaugh gave the Israel support/worship a shot in the arm. I never heard anyone discussing it prior to his show becoming popular. I don’t think Buckley reached as many people as Limbaugh. I actually laughed first time I saw Buckley on television crossing his legs like a woman and acting like a little fancy lad.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  NateG
1 year ago

…And that stupid head-back gesture he made when he was considering something. Total twit.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
1 year ago

“Many of the biggest neocons are not Jewish. Watson is obviously not Jewish. Bill Buckley was obviously not Jewish.” Heh. I bet they wished they were, though. Perhaps if one obsesses in a positive way over Israel, one could be said to be a Joo in Spirit? Simply put, these fractures reveal to me, as if any more evidence was needed, that no serious political entity will arise to help us. It is simply not doable. This is why forming In Real Life connections with neighbours and productive people seems to be one very sensible thing that Dissidents can in… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

I see precious little strange optimism in that post.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Heh. I’ll say this: one highly likely scenario is that skilled white men are needed for, well, everything. The material suffering seems to me to be just beginning. I hope (but doubt) it will lead to a spiritual awakening. Societies infrastructure continues to decline. But, in the practical realm, a lad who can fix indoor plumbing, weld, do mathematics, farm or whatever is going to have a high chance of coming out on top of whatever comes next. Of course, if you’re standing atop a pile of shit, it’s still a pile of shit, so there’s some pessimism for you,… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

And to you, OF. And to you.

John Morris
John Morris
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

Human men are under no obligation to keep the jew empire running for jews. We will destroy them.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Since we’re on the topic of that-which-may-not-be-spoken, the one thing that all flavors of conservatism have in common is that they all hue to the notion that we can talk our way out of the mess we’re in. And that is the biggest lie of all. No, we are not going to “talk” our way out of the mess we’re in. Not face-to-face. Not in the written word. Not on the floor of any legislative body. That is simply not how reality works. At some point, you can no longer kick the can down the road and pretend that persuasion… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

During my political sojourn it was the Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell and Mises oriented writers that spent a lot of time and energy denouncing and discrediting Buckley and the Neoconservatives. Perhaps there is material there to be learned from and used. I agree that the most powerful tool we have are the egregious foreign policy failures that the Neocons have championed and profited from. Ukraine is fresh and it clearly illustrates that the neo-conservative project is a comprehensive failure – it promotes military and diplomatic failure and worst of all brings economic disaster to our shores and to the… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

Ron Paul was a one-man wrecking crew on the Neocons

FNC went all out on discrediting him during the prez debates. I will never forget, it was that butt-kisser Carl Cameron who tried to humiliate him

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

The inner parties have “selected” their preferred candidates for the longest time. It’s what’s behind every on-the-fly primary “rule change” so that when a Ron Paul or a Tulsi Gabbard gets traction they can be stopped dead in their tracks.

prescient11
prescient11
1 year ago

One other comment. We must understand how the world actually is and adapt to it. Take the last 100 years of history and study it, learn from it. There really was only one guy who named names and we all saw how that turned out. The proper method is to divide and conquer, embrace those you can and deal with the rest in another fashion. This confuses the situation. And this is also the fair method because there are just wonderful people from every stripe, and one shouldn’t be a rabid hater of any group. It’s just not a good… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  prescient11
1 year ago

With this post you live up to your name prescient11. I suspect there are many normie Js who can and have done the math on the rock and the hard place that their elites and their radicals have put them between. Their long term safety and stability have been compromised by their own people like: the neocons and the international megalopolis dwelling, zero-sum, financialization class that have driven our nation to ruin; some of the most vociferous voices and proponents of anti-white racism and the Great Replacement. The normie Js are coming around to the implications of this. Some of… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Total control of the propaganda organs and both major political parties is how the neoconservatives have avoided being thrown out of the country thus far. Lost war after lost war, dead young American after dead young American, trillions sent to Israel or to fight for it, all these receive no scrutiny because Tribesmen censor and suppress. It is why outlets and movements they cannot control terrify them. Ukraine should be their Waterloo, and it appears the old tricks and deceptions are not as effective as they once were. Public support for that needless bloodbath is waning and is somewhat reminiscent… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

As always, it comes down to building parallel systems/communities. The tribe knows this is they’re biggest threat, which is why they’re ruthless at destroying any attempt to publicly build such alternatives. (And here is where I perhaps disagree with our host. Sure, there are plenty of non-Jew neocons, but the real power – money, control of the media, blackmail, etc. – is firmly held by the tribe. The non-Jews are at best modern eunuchs, playing a role similar to eunuchs in Persia.) Fortunately, the emergence of other groups – Indians, in particular – who are immune from the “racist” charge… Read more »

prescient11
prescient11
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’d say it’s both. If you read the history of the advertising wars around the turn of the 20th century in New York newspapers, I don’t know how anyone could make the claim that it wasn’t tribalism first. I mean, there is a certain 3 letter organization whose founding concerned the defense of a special guy who was part of the tribal club, who was a child rapist and murderer and tried to pin the crimes on an innocent black guy. And this organization is now one of the most powerful in the Western world. The most powerful members of… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

But Marxism = tribalism

It is tribalism dressed up as a political idea, no?

In origin at least

Junior Wolf
Junior Wolf
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Genetics leads to culture, culture leads to some type of social organization. The tribe is the best at taking adaptive strategies of others and using them for their own advancement. Marxism was a perfect vehicle for them.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I do not think it is tribalism. I think it is Marxism.

They are not in the same category. Tribal communities are not held together by economic structures, but by blood, soil and nursery rhymes.

That said, dismissing ideas because Marxists also entertained them, allows Marxists to limit your scope of thought and action. Dialectic materialism, for instance, may not be an adequate explanation for social dynamics, but it’s one hell of an analytical tool.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I tend to agree with the other responses. Yes, the tribe worked to seize the commanding heights of our culture to install a new elite, an elite over which they controlled access. And, yes, this elite were heavily influenced by Marxism. Many of the cultural changes they have foisted upon our society were not based on tribalism but sincere beliefs. However, as a group and, certainly, among the tribe members holding the power of access to the elite, they never let their Marxist beliefs harm their tribe’s ability to maintain control or any policy that they felt helped their people,… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Pure genius. This is the voice of greatness. The first to pull themselves out of the morass of victimhood and blame will rule the world. We are the heirs to Alexander; Caesar; Octavian; Clovis; Charlemagne; Rollo; Egbert; Alfred; Edward; Washington – real kings of real places whose people built the aqueducts, road systems that survive millenia; institutions; philosophy; cathedrals; sonnets; symphonies; machinery; marble; sculptures; jets and rockets. Our future is in our hands. Enough of the blaming and grumbling and whining. CoSC you have nailed it. For you and for this, I sign up and stand shoulder to shoulder. Let… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

Alfred – The Great – Of Wessex. Brings a tear to my eye when I think of him and his history/legend.

There’s a lovely statue of him in England’s former capital, Winchester.

If my wife and I have a fourth child, and it’s a boy (again), then I may have to consider this name.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

“the tribe certainly push us along, but it was our choices that got us where we are” This one hundred times. We see all kind of people attacking the once-great Christian civilization. They seem imcompatible: radical Muslims, with Joos, with LGBTQ. When a corpse corrupts, you find all kind of incompatible organisms: worms, bacteria, hyenas, virus. The problem is ours. All biological or non-biological structure needs 2 things 1) Functionality. Each part must fulfill its function. The feet cannot be the heart 2) Hierarchy. Some parts direct and some obey. The brain directs and the muscles obey. 3) Distinguishing the… Read more »

Pete
Pete
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Wrong. Marxism wants to organize and mobilize the workers to kill the middle/upper classes and redistribute their property to the Inner Party Marxist organizers. Then the workers that were used as mob muscle are discarded to starve along with everyone else who isn’t part of the Inner Party. Our current “elites” want no part of white workers. Don’t want their help or even their tacit support. In fact our elites would be horrified if white workers began to support them. It would mean they were on the wrong side of history. No, this isn’t Marxism. This is a complete demolition… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

If your primary objective is creating an elite (what sort of elite?) rather than theorizing and perhaps fomenting violent class revolution, then you are nothing more than a common striver, not a Marxist in any meaningful sense.

Now it is clearly true that New Leftists, beginning in the second half of the 60s, sought to take over the institutions of culture and information, and that they succeeded totally. However, they did this because they desired to destroy white civilization, not because they were motivated by Marx or the sublunary objective of attaining power for its own sake.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

“In that time, they’ve managed to drive the country into the ground.”

They cannot help it, My Dear… Pharisees yesterday, Pharisees today, Pharisees tomorrow.

Barnard
Barnard
1 year ago

I just scanned The Bulwark for the first time in a long time. The headlines are so removed from reality you would think it was published by a bunch of people in group therapy in an insane asylum. Bill Kristol wants to give the Democrats advice on defending and reforming “our democracy.” Some lawyer named Chris Truax has a column claiming Democrats should run on “Republicans want to take away your birth control.” They are also publishing lunatics like Cathy Young and Mona Charen. The Democrats have no interest in what these people have to say. The only connection neocons… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

easy, just kill the GOP. all it takes is to get normies to look up from their grills and grunt a little.

prescient11
prescient11
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

“Cathy Young”. Just using that name is hilarious. It’s like “Jon Stewart”… In one of Trump’s best power level tweets he called out Stewart for using his fake name and told him to be proud of his heritage. Just hilarious. Interesting tidbit of historical fact, as Napoleon began to mend fences with the Catholic church and come back to the fold, around this time he BANNED certain groups of people from using fake names or (I think this is correct) having different last names for husband and wife. The latter would be yugely helpful in identifying who is who among… Read more »

John Morris
John Morris
Reply to  prescient11
1 year ago

Yes, incredibly gross. Katherine is a good Greek name, it means ‘pure’- the opposite of the insane neocon ‘Cathy’ ‘Young’ who yearns to shed the blood of the Russians in revenge for how her forebears were kept from selling liquor at interest from their shtetl.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

“The headlines are so removed from reality you would think it was published by a bunch of people in group therapy in an insane asylum.” Barnard; indeed. Here in the UK, we had a couple of hot days (perhaps up to 39 degrees Celsius), and the papers were full of it. They correctly (I think) referred to it as “The Hottest Day on Record”, which then became “The Hottest Day Ever”… reliable meteorological records started in the UK sometime in the mid-to-late 1800s. Lord have mercy! I even heard a government minister declare a “Heatwave Emergency”! Yes! And why? Because… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

One headine you didn’t see

” Largest Summer Sea Ice Extent Since 2008 Traps Arctic Ships; + Coldest July Airmass In 70 Years Blows Through The Bering Strait ”

Funny dat.

https://electroverse.co/largest-summer-sea-ice-extent-since-2008-coldest-july-airmass-in-70-years-sweeps-bering-strait/

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 year ago

The “old disputes” and establishment money flows are a lagging, not leading, indicator of where conservative/dissident thought is headed. This is all interesting insider stuff, but for most people, these are “People’s Judean Front” versus “People’s Front of Judea” arguments. These petty disputes won’t have any bearing on the future of the DR or conservatism etc. As we have discussed before, and you can look it up, Guns and Ammo has 4x the circulation of National Review. Nobody cares about Ramesh Ponnuru or whomever….. The real issue is how to reach young people in America and get them involved in… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Not just the internet, Getting the youth involved will not be done through arguments, but making the right the poster child of energy and vitality. You don’t even have to worry about getting a majority, just a good number of young people not completely destroyed by obesity and mind-altering drugs, and encouraging small acts that poke the eye of the ruiling class. Stuff like laughing at people who demand you put on a mask, call a dude a woman, simp for damaged women, etc. It doesn’t even have to be overtly political, just a general idea of rebellion against the… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

It doesn’t even have to be overtly political, just a general idea of rebellion against the geriatric scolds who want to suck the energy out of you.

You might even argue that deliberate vagueness is critical to raising a mass movement. The vaguer you are, the less internecine doctrinal feuds and you can let everyone fill in the blanks with his own idiosyncrasies.

Trump was really good at this but “Hope and Change” is a near ideal slogan. It means nothing in itself, so people can fill it with whatever they want.

Win first, politick after.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

The difference is Ramesh can call up half the Republicans in the Senate and they will take the call and slobber all over him. Having access to power is more important than having a wide audience.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

well somebody is slobbering all over “Ramesh”

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

the youth are involved and they don’t like the old “games” at all. our hebrew brothers are not held in high regard by the youth; they are in for a rough ride. if you want to reach them, write (or fund) a politically ‘active’ video game.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I can envision a WW II version where you can choose which side you want, and the Axis soldiers are studs with cool uniforms and the Allied ones are all trannies, gays and butch women.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

To be fair, in my gaming heyday, when the first Command & Conquer: Red Alert came out, I was always the Ivans.

Bigger tanks. More impressive. Incredible how, even back then, Westwood Studios captured the ‘Fake and Ghey’ potential of the US and British Forces.

In Red Alert 2, one could even choose Libya, and have as his special weapon an army of suicide trucks.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

I think the trailer for Tom Clancy’s EndWar is an accurate portrayal of a conventional WW3 in Europe, save for the ICBM shield and, ‘Rods from God,’ that don’t exist:

https://youtu.be/CyYNBYedzqw

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 year ago

One of the most effective online dissident campaigns is the resurrection of Carl Schmitt’s ideas. He’s incredibly useful in that he was excellent at creating pithy slogans than encapsulated his ideas for your average joe, and was an incredibly rigorous thinker you could really sink your teeth into for the more intellectual types. So of course NR tries to get ahead of this by waving their fingers like moralizing shrews and tell you that’s not allowed. If someone accuses an organization of being on the level of Carl Schmitt, the only reasonable answer isn’t a long piece, but a simple… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Indeed. Of course, his Nazi affiliation dooms the ability to discuss him in polite salons.

The Coof-19 policy insanity was real-time proof of his critique of liberal democracy and his insistence that the Sovereign is always present, acting when necessary in a “crisis”.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

The “soft power” control of prole-White’s views on race is failing so it’s almost all “hard power”. Cloud-White conservatives cannot cross that bridge because to admit that they don’t care about the views of Jews or blacks (or, oof, gays) in regards to a policy is to admit that there is no universal conservatism (which there is not) and that is not something that they can accept, yet.

Falcone
Falcone
1 year ago

I always thought that if we put a (J) after every name in papers and on tv and in media, like is done for politicians with (D) or (R), it would be very revealing and informative. If people are made aware of the fact that a J is saying this or that or promoting this or that, they would begin to see the light. But that won’t probably ever happen, in the MSM, but it should perhaps become a mainstay on the DR websites and so forth. It would create a lot of buzz and interest. It would develop a… Read more »

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Doesn’t the ubiquitous triple parentheses already serve that purpose?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Brandon Lasko
1 year ago

Yes the ((())) serves that purpose, but a J after their name just strikes me as being pretty funny. Especially in a video presentation where you can just hear the laughtrack after someone like Schiff or Nadler is shown being a fool on video and the host just rolls his eyes when the (D) after their name is replaced with (J). I dont know maybe I’m wrong, but the ((())) seems something done with animus. Or it has taken on a bit of a hateful vibe. I think the (J) thing could be done with a little bit of affection… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Related, and it shows how effective this approach can be. Some Alt-Right dude, before Twitter stopped all forms of dissent against the State, tweeted a pic with all the CNN on-air talent and placed Stars of David on those with that ethnicity. The outcry and shrieks were proof positive this technique has merit due to the exposure it brings. Most of us, and most people, do not use Twitter, but for those who do it eye-opening. The poster probably got the Ricky Vaughn treatment if it were not in fact him, but that was a “wow” moment more due to… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

> I know in high school that the Js were kept in line by making jokes about them so the good number of Js in the school tried to assimilate because they didn’t like being stereotyped.

This only worked because they lacked institutional control at the high school you were at. Now — as adults with connections — they will not try to “moderate themselves”, but will most likely cry out while disconnecting you completely from the insurance and banking system, like they did to Torba.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

That sounds good, as far as it goes. But I think you should add another wrinkle. Use a similar technique for the J-toys, and add this; for every one of these J-toys, in parentheses, like this – (RaG), Righteous among the Gentiles, to denote biddable morons for the Tribe – and in this way reveal their agents of influence/day-to-day allies. Turn the opprobrium around and highlight them, making them accountable in all of the big and little ways in which they act against us, their ostensible people. Tie a clanging can to their damn tails, and alert our people to… Read more »

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

What you are looking for was called the “coincidence detector”, and it was briefly in existence as an app which identified (((them))) using a library of names and appending the triple parentheses.

Banned almost immediately, of course.

Gilbert Pinefeld
Gilbert Pinefeld
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Left-wing Jews are assimilated. You don’t assimilate to upper-middle to upper-class Blue state society by becoming an Evangelical gun-owner. Rich white people from the Coasts all think and act the same, and are all intermarried with one another, whether they be Jewish, Protestant, or Catholic. Mainline Protestantism, reform Judaism, and liberal Catholicism are basically the same religion, to boot. The last generation to include left-wing ethnocentric Jews was the boomers. The Jews that don’t assimilate (Modern Orthodox) already wear yarmulkes in public to their white-collar jobs (which I always found very noticeable and jarring), have dietary restrictions that make them… Read more »

David Wright
Member
1 year ago

I don’t think much has changed since Whittaker Chamber’s remark that he felt he left the winning side for the losing side when he joined the Right.

You’re right that the IQ level has dropped for neo-cons but not heir influence. We still get retarded wimps like Max Boot scolding us from all the media. Where’s Pat Buchanan? Probably feeding his goldfish.

Sorry, bad week for me. I know , pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will