Liberty And Freedom

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Feudalism is a term that either brings to mind serfs slaving away on the land or knights on horseback jousting at tournaments. Neither image has much to do with the socioeconomic system that grew up after the fall of the Western Roman empire and carried on into the 18th century. Both the knight and the serf were real things, but they are not what defined the feudal order. It is the system in which people of all ranks lived that defined what we think of as feudalism.

That system was a series of interlocking relationships. It began with reciprocal relationships between the warrior elite. The leaders of the various peoples slowly evolved rules for dealing with one another. Over time those rules extended to the people over whom they ruled. First it was the vertical relationships and then the horizontal relationships. Most of these rules were not written down. They were the habit of mind that everyone understood and accepted.

What we think of as freedom and liberty come from the feudal era. The two words are used interchangeably today, but it was not always so. Liberty was the right to act within the context of the rules. Freedom was a state in which there were no rules. In the feudal age, liberty was the range of actions for people of a class. Freedman had different liberties than Knights or serfs. Freedom, on the other hand, was being free from those reciprocal relationships that defined the system.

One of the interesting things about the feudal order that has been forgotten is that freedom was a powerful weapon used by kings. Freeing people from their feudal obligations did not necessarily grant them more liberties, but it did weaken the power of the people to whom they no longer had obligations. Freeing the serf from his duties to his lord not only meant he could sell his labor but it meant that his lord no longer had control over him or the proceeds of his labor.

In a system where everyone is defined by their relationship with everyone around them, monarchical power is diffused through the system. The noble who controlled a portion of the kingdom had a great deal of power relative to the king, because all of the rights and duties of his people flowed through him to the king. Once those people were free then they reported directly to the king. A great irony of the feudal order is that individual freedom turned out to be the great centralizing force in politics.

A similar dynamic is at work in this age. As recent as the 1950’s the primary duty of most men was to their family. From there it was their community then the larger political entities like city, county and state. Outside of the draft and the post office, people had no reason to think about the national government. Go back further and the national government played little role in the life of Americans. You could live your life never having had contact with the national government.

As Americans have been freed from the old rules of life, like marriage, family and community, the power of the government has grown. The weakening of state and local government by direct intervention by the federal government has corresponded with the collapse in things like property rights and freedom of association. Young women are no longer dependent on a man, but they are entirely dependent on government. It is impossible to live without interacting with government now.

The conventional conservative critique argues that personal liberty has declined because the power of the state has increased. In reality, personally liberty has declined because freedom has increased. As people have been freed from their particular obligations to one another, their liberties have declined, which is what has allowed the power of the federal state to grow. Each new “freedom” comes with less liberty and therefore a declining ability to resist the state.

In a way, the great progressive reforms of the 20th century were like the king freeing the people from their feudal obligations. It was first and foremost about weakening the intermediaries between the central government and the people. In America this has meant the constriction of state and municipal power. Griswold v. Connecticut was never about individual liberty, but about subverting local authority. It was about breaking those local bonds that preserved individual liberty.

What little liberty remains in modern America appears to most people to be dependent upon the power of the state. It is a perverse form of slave logic. The homely women demanding reproductive freedom in the public square are no different than the slave begging the master for protection. They are no longer at liberty to make choices within the range of options available to them, so they demand the all powerful state provide the freedom they mistake for liberty.

The zenith of every empire features the almost unlimited power of the person who sits atop the imperial system. The decline of empire always features an increasingly inability of the sovereign to impose his will. Factions within his own government collude to undermine his will. New power centers begin to grow up, operating as choke points between the empower and his subjects. Like weeds, those old reciprocal relationships begin to sprout up and eventually overtake the system.

We may be seeing something similar. Corporations now wield more power in the lives of the people than the federal government. For example, if the mobile companies wanted, they could have stonewalled the FBI with regards to the J6 protests. Their swift action in identifying the people in the capitol was a power move. When the federal government needs help dealing with internal threats, they now ask politely for help from their partners in the private sector.

We are also seeing a resurgence of state power. States shipping migrants to Washington is a power move. States challenging the power of the administrative state in the courts is another assault on the king. Of course, the same managerial mindset that crippled the Trump presidency is doing the same to Biden. The real power of the federal state, as expressed through the executive, is waning. Like every empire in decline, this one is suffering from a growing impotence at the center.

In the transition, both liberty and freedom will decrease. We see it today with the abuses of individual liberty from all sources of power. In the long run, the restoration of those old duties and obligations will restore the balance between the two. Being ruled by a local elite personalizes the relationship. The people at the top are reminded of their duties every time they go outside. The people at the bottom have no illusion about the source of their liberties.


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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

A late comment to say that nothing, I mean nothing, brings home this lesson on loyalty as identity like MSNBC all day today. Contrast that to the uncle below who’s loyalties were simple: God, family, country. His priorities were clear from the moment he opened his eyes in the morning, and he got on with his day. A Brooklyn Jamaican told me yesterday about multicultural soccer hooligans in Birmingham. He was a Manc, and color didn’t matter. Only the old English grumbled about losing their country. MSNBC is telling us the young women fookin’ hate babies, they want to be… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

ps- I must’ve done something terribly wrong, none of the girls in the fam have the slightest idea about politics or careers because they’re all baby crazy. White babies are the only important thing in their little world. Don’t blame me.

Falcone
Falcone
1 year ago

I might as well be the one to say it

But isn’t it quite something that here we are this far into the day ,yet NO ONE has mentioned the primaries !

I doubt even one year ago the same could be said

Progress !!!!

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

They’re red, yellow and blue. Right?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Lawsy. The abortion primaries are ALL a certain station can talk about.
Listen to the excitement, sterile hive workettes!

****
“red, yellow and blue”
LOL- so, so good

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Ohio already had its primaries and the GOP stacked its candidates so that weasel DeWine never had any big worries.

JD Vance is the sort of slimy faux-authentic shitbag they give us to pacify us. I know the Zman thinks he’s asking the right questions, but I don’t believe his shtick for a minute.

We are not voting our way out of this.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

Hey, at least your slimy Vichy candidate is an actual American. I’m supposed to vote for a Turkish carpetbagger named Mehmet Cengiz Öz.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

Pickle Rick: Vance is an “American” who wrote revenge/pity porn about his Appalachian family and roots to great east coast intelligentsia acclaim, went off to Yale law school and married a subcon. I think he’s slimier than Oz . . . and that’s saying something.

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
1 year ago

“Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.”

-Kris Kristofferson

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
1 year ago

One thing still holds back Conservatism is their old ball and chain. No, not the wife – the unquestioned faith in the military. Several reasons for this, but in the end it keeps Conservatives from perceiving their true social standing in today’s society, and is a hinderance to the right getting its act together. First, many C families currently have relatives in the military. Totally understandable; however, it’s clear that this admin tends to clear all normal, well-adjusted men and women out of the military as soon as possible. These policies cannot be changed anytime soon (until complete failure). Also,… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  AnotherAnon
1 year ago

AnotherAnon: Valid point about conservatars clinging to the legacy of a traditional military BUT . . . I contest many of your other assertions. There were plenty of atrocities (however one chooses to define them) by the North upon residents of the South during the Civil War – against civilians, not armed soldiers. And things were not all sweetness and light in Germany after WWII either – read about the deliberate starvation of German civilians in the American and British occupation zones. Perhaps not the mass rapes that the Russians promulgated, but not the standard propaganda of ‘All-American’ angels, either.… Read more »

Bilejones
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Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Agree. The North invented the concept of total war and Sherman was, of course, its leading practitioner. Example. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-destruction-of-atlanta-begins “Through October, Sherman built up a massive cache of supplies in Atlanta. He then ordered a systematic destruction of the city to prevent the Confederates from recovering anything once the Yankees had abandoned it. By one estimate, nearly 40 percent of the city was ruined. Sherman would apply to the same policy of destruction to the rest of Georgia as he marched to Savannah. Before leaving on November 15, Sherman’s forces had burned the industrial district of Atlanta and left little… Read more »

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

3g4me, I don’t doubt the automatons who have floated to the top of management don’t enjoy browbeating half the population with their cultural beliefs every chance they get, but I still say it’s the CRs law that feeds the vindictive and tyrannical behavior. (Like Breitbart said, culture is downstream of politics. – or was it vice versa?) Actually, it’s the power that the government accumulates that makes it attractive to the left. They love having the big guns on their side. (Taylor Swift finally threw in, realizing how much easier her life would be if she became an NPC.) If… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  AnotherAnon
1 year ago

Uh, wasn’t Sherman’s March to the Sea pretty harsh on Southern infrastructure and civilians?

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

The Yankees were pretty brutal in Virginia, too. That was arguably an earlier application of “total war” than that seen during Sherman’s rampage across Georgia.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  AnotherAnon
1 year ago

I don’t disagree with the notion that our behavior is on average better than most, but I think this is more at the common people level. The oligarchy, then and now, will commit whatever atrocities they see as necessary to preserve their wealth and power. This was true when they were 100% WASP and it is now even more true when they are an unstable illegitimate multicultural mess. Our mere existence, no matter how quiescent and mild mannered, is a daily reminder of their tenuous grip on power. We will never be a loyal goy/dalit underclass that sees them as… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

This is one of those things that I’ve thought of for awhile but couldn’t articulate as well.

I’m of the belief that applying for 50 jobs is not the right way to do things. In the old days you simply had a buddy who’s dad owned a factory and you worked there.

Sure if you’re a hs girl with a perfect SAT score you have a lot more options than you did seven decades ago. But for everyone else, the default options have all been eliminated.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

Costs also play a huge role Something I am noticing in Los Angeles is that now that the place is getting so expensive you don’t find the interesting and creative people you used to. Because those people couldn’t be fixated on paying rent while also being creative. Your time and energy go into making enough money to eat. Any kind of creative life has to take a back seat. This tracks into business life too. You can’t just be a guy who likes to fix cars and is able to make enough to get by. Or run any kind of… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Oddly, I just stumbled on a real-world example creatives being driven from LA in the form of a 90s style alt-rock band that just dropped an album I really enjoy.

They’re doing album support interviews, and it turns out they no longer live in LA and they all have part time jobs. The two young women in the band are working retail and waitressing while the young man works part-time producing for other bands.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

As long as they can afford a studio they should be fine That’s what killed it here. I know tons of bands who had rehearsal studios or would rent industrial units when these things cost like $300 or $400. They could also live there and many did. You’d be lucky to find anything like that now for under $1,500 Just renting a bedroom in a house is now $1,000 Then you add in the fact that waitressing and bartending out here isn’t what it used to be if you needed a side job like that while you were in your… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

WG Howard, I’d really like to know the band name. They sound like someone that I would enjoy hearing.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

Mike-

The band is called Momma and their new album is titled Household Name.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

“I’m of the belief that applying for 50 jobs is not the right way to do things. ”

It never has been. If you find yourself cold-calling for jobs, you fucked up somewhere back down the road.

Every decent job I’ve ever had has been because I knew somebody. Sorry, but that’s the way of the world.

c matt
c matt
1 year ago

Corporations now wield more power in the lives of the people than the federal government.

But that doesn’t necessarily make it more feudal or decentralized. It could very well lead to even more centralization/less feudalism: Blackrock will own everything (or enough piece of everything to control everything). You’ll own nothing and be happy.

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imnobody00
imnobody00
1 year ago

Masterful summary of something I have been said for years. Freedom is a tool to centralize power. The high give freedom to the low to reduce the power of the medium and eventually to the poor This was studied by DeJouvenel in On Power (1946). See also Libido Dominandi of E. Michael Jones to see how sexual freedoms produce tyranny. Centralization increases with the age of civilizations until the centralization is so big that the system collapses. Feudalism was a first step in centralization after Charlemagne. Before Charlemagne, there was only lord’s that were independent from one another and the… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

What’s that old Chinese proverb? That which is separated is destined to be joined; that which is joined is destined to be separated. Rather Spenglerian.

imnobody00
imnobody00
1 year ago

When I lived in USA, I had the impression of having stepped into a prison. I felt suffocated. Stupid rules where everywhere, let alone mandatory patterns of behavior. I used to say “Americans say: ‘This is a free country’ because they want to convince themselves”. This was about 15 years ago. Now it must be worse. I think one of the tools used to enslave American people is their pride. I used to find people saying that, since USA is the first country in the world, everything is better there. Women, food, everything is better and there is no need… Read more »

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

This was a reply to Falcone. I don’t know what happened

miforest
Member
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

where do you live now?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

I’ll probably get downvoted for saying this, but America is not a very pretty country in terms of landscape and seascape. I have been to every corner of this country and I have yet to find a place that rivals or surpasses areas of Europe in terms of pure physical beauty. For me, the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in this country is Crater Lake in Oregon. I learned then what the expression “makes your jaw drop” means; your jaw actually drops and you stand there is complete awe. But…. I have seen many such places in Europe.… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

only a provincial rube would down vote you for this comment. if you wanted to give AINO an enema you would be spoiled for choice (as to where to insert the nozzle)…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

Camden, New Jersey may well be the orifice of choice…

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I am beginining to suspect some of youall need to sit on my deck with a drink.in hand
Trillions of diamonds reflected, endless colors minute to minute changing.the only sounds wind in the trees and birds.
My passport pages are full as well & ive been plenty of places i could have stayed.& fondly remember a few ladies that would have made a good wife
To each their own.
For me there is no place like home

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Spingerah
1 year ago

Are you close to vibrancy? I’m sure America would look a lot prettier if every few hundred feet you didn’t run into an African There may be many pretty places, but the people ruin it. I can’t take blacks anymore and I don’t see myself changing any time soon. They used to not bug me so much. Add in Anna and her tribe and I just want to get the F outta here. I’m at my breaking point. But like my kids say, I need a vacation, but I tell them no, I need a permanent change. So by the… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Spingerah
1 year ago

“Are you close to vibrancy?” You can live your whole life in my neck of the woods and hardly ever see the vibrant. There’s the Asian family that owns the Chinese restaurant in the county seat, the Indian family that owns the hotel there, the Mexican family that owns the Mexican restaurant there … and that’s about it. Wikipedia says this of my county from 2010 (and it hasn’t changed all that much): “The racial makeup of the county was 97.9% white, 0.3% black or African American, 0.2% American Indian, 0.1% Asian, 0.1% from other races, and 1.4% from two… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Oh come on – every substantial land mass on earth has multiple OMG places – how about the Grand Canyon for one little example? There’s no place like that in Europe.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

Is it fair enough to ask, or at least to contemplate, whether a nation’s beauty can be correlated to how many great landscape painters it has inspired?

I have always been struck by how America’s better painters would depict the landscape as bleak or barren, if they didn’t veer into sentimentality.

The Indians were here for a long time, and they didn’t apparently feel inspired enough by what they saw to develop amazing technical skills to memorialize it in painting. But in Europe they did.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I’ve yet to see such revolutionary developments from the Neuveau Francois from southern Africa. Perhaps expecting artistic or technological development from 65 iq savages is unrealistic, irrespective of scenery or time zone.

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I dont see a fair comparison between stone age primatives & even the lowliest indentured survant from europe when discussing much of anything beyond possibly tracking animals.
Painting, sketching etc. Are technical.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Ansel Adams has some breathtaking stuff. I know that’s photography, not painting, but still. And there’s some beautiful stuff from an image search here:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+landscape+painters&iax=images&ia=images

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

try living there. it’s “ok” as far as landmarks go, but it’s not beautiful. more like God forsaken.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. What I’ve heard many Europeans upon visiting the USA is to remark on our vastness of expanse. A beauty in itself. Whereas, they might decry the cultural and artistic emptiness of our inner cities.

Having been to Europe, the opposite is what impresses me. European inner cities and culture and life within is quite impressive to a city boy like me.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

They have had their gypsies a long while & now they are getting their spades in spades good and hard. Not much time left for em.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

The Grand Canyon is one awe inspiring spot I’ve actually visited. It’s also an opportunity to segue into an insensitive yet apropos joke that in happier times might have been told at the office water cooler, but in today’s progressive world of Thought Police is an endangered species only rarely glimpsed at outré blogs.

Q: How did the Grand Canyon come about?
A: A Jew dropped a penny down a gopher hole.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I arrived at the Grand Canyon at sunset and it was magical. I think the Northern States have some impressive nature. What is appalling is the architecture. With some exceptions, cities are interchangeable. A downtown of Mcskyscrapers (high boxes) and the rest flat low buildings (long low boxes) with lots of parking lots. This soulless flat architecture that a friend of mine described as “industrial buildings with green zones”. The green zones are nice though. In part, this happens around the world: it is the legacy of Le Corbusier and modem architecture. But the flat low building is not so… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

I will agree on the architecture for sure. The western US wasn’t really settled until the latter part of the 19th century (not counting the injun cliff dwellings) so the oldest buildings will date from that time. Those that are kept up are nice to see and can be relatively impressive, but don’t rival European several hundred year old stuff.

crabe-tambour
crabe-tambour
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

And aesthetic vandals like Frank Gehry have taken “Corbu’s” torch and run with it. He and other brutalists seem to have derived their inspiration from the city of Dresden–after the Lancasters and (to be fair) the Flying Fortresses did their work.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

On the landscape, maybe. There are some nice places in the US, but not as well juxtaposed to the manmade structures as in Europe. For some reason, European architecture seems to “fit” better with the natural scenery (especially along the Med) than in the US. As for women and food – that is simply not true. For one, the US has every flavor of food and women from around the world, so it can’t be true. Perhaps attitudes of some women tend to ruin things, but you get that in Europe too (e.g., Femen). Also, you can’t compare the top… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

I laugh at the guys who think ANY woman isnt a PITA from time to time. although i do agree “feminism” has been weaponized to destroy the family. Most of the women bitching about how unfair and opressive the patriarchy is have never been where nobody has legal rights especially women.
Id like to send them all to almost anywhere outside the western world and make them stay for at least five years.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

I am talking about American women and American food. The vast majority of American people don’t go to an authentic foreign restaurant for every meal. They eat fast food every day. This fast food is not sh*t because sh*t is something natural and biologic. I worked in a school and the closest restaurant was 2 miles ago. A fast food restaurant, like any other in the radius of 20 kms. We had 40 minutes for lunch (productivity is paramount in America) and the principal (a Vietnamese American b*tch) closed the parking so we could not get out. Some people left… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

“The vast majority of American people don’t go to an authentic foreign restaurant for every meal. They eat fast food every day.”

This is just bullshit. Motte and Bailey. Statement one is true, because who does that anywhere? Statement two is flat out false.

mikey
mikey
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

As Bill Bryson once observed, many American women look like elephants dressed in kids’ clothes. European women know enough to push away from the table, obesity is unusual.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  mikey
1 year ago

Not as true of European women as it used to be.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Possibly. However, the mountains of Colorado rival the Alps, and the austere vistas of Southern New Mexico are beautiful in a way likely not found in Europe.

I think your argument is stronger if you consider the built environment. AINO has nothing that can come close to touching the ecclesiastical architecture of Europe, Russia inclusive.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

A cold winter sunrise in the Sonoran desert among the saguaro cacti is something most people don’t have a chance to see – unfortunately.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

how is it a 3PM in August?

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

We went to there this year. Really enjoyed getting to know the flora & fauna. & history. My youngest brought his telescope excellent star gazing.
I took a black light was able to see a lot of things that fluores
Partuculary insects scorpions especially.
One thing that Stood out really brightly are rabbit pellets!
Yes i picked up a few before i knew what the glowing little oval things were.lol.
Its so differant might as well be on another planet.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Visit the parks of Utah for an example of beautiful vastness, and you can hike there as well.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

I highly recommend the Wasatch National Forest if one has the opportunity.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Oh yeah. Canyonlands (and Arches/Bryce/Zion) has it all over the Grand Canyon if you want a less touristy experience.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Dramatic landscapes are usually difficult to make a living on. Indeed, a lot of boring land in the US, but also rich.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Not back in the day (i.e. pre photography) In Europe there were local painters everywhere because people wanted to decorate their homes with paintings of the valleys or seascape, and the better ones got better prices. In America there was always a well to do class who’d pay for a good landscape painting, but there just weren’t that many. In my own lifetime, I have been to many a rich person’s home, and in Europe you get lots of landscapes/seascapes + portraits while in America you get lots of portraits and little else. Portrait art thrived in America for whatever… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Apologies, I meant most of the land is rich, if not dramatic. Huge expanses of naturally fertile farmland east of the Mississippi, energy, minerals, etc., all over the place.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I’ve been through the Alps and the Black Forest, up Mt. Fuji, in Caribbean bays, Mexico, Brazil, Malaysia, England, Denmark. The Alps were the most beautiful of all. I’m a mountain person at heart and they are a fine range, and the hamlets of Switzerland and Liechtenstein have a cozy antiquity it’s hard to find in the US. But I’ve also been at the continental divide in winter, gazing across the peaks from above timberline, and in many of the little towns nestled in the mountain valleys, and they’re quite gorgeous. I live in the Hocking Hills within Wayne National… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

I think in America you find more majesty while in Europe you find more beauty Hard to explain the difference but I think with majesty your first inclination is to be amazed at the scale and size of it. With beauty, it’s more mesmerizing. You just sit there and don’t know where to begin taking it in, it comes at you from different levels and angles and you don’t know where or how to define it. Contrast with majesty where the dominant feeling is just being in awe of the massive scale of it. “So Tom, you went to the… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

in EU you can live in a beautiful area; in AINO you can only visit.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

It makes sense to me, Falcone. America is more majestic because the nature is less tamed. In Europe thosands of years have tamed the nature and architecture and roads have been integrated in the landscape.

In America, there is less integration and the integration is done with modern architecture

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

“in EU you can live in a beautiful area; in AINO you can only visit.”

Bull. I live in the midst of incredible beauty, and my area isn’t wealthy.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I’ve also been to all but a handful of European countries (some several times), Japan, New Zealand, etc. as well as all but 9 of the US states and agree with all of your points. The area I’m lucky enough to live in now rivals the Swiss Alps in drop dead magnificence. The built environment is as crappy as anywhere else in AINO but the mountains and lake astound me every day. I also drove from one end of the US to the other years ago and I can’t think of any other country I’ve visited with the unbelievable diversity… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

Damn right !
Imanobody you are like a lot of other euros, love to trash talk america. Yet you
left europe to live in south america. Good luck hope you find your forever perfect place.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Spingehra
1 year ago

Believe it or not, you can live much better in Latin America than in Europe or USA if you are well qualified and know how to carve a niche. This means more purchasing power, better house, less stress, more free time and a healthier lifestyle. And much less of woke bullshit. It’s not about trashing America. As I said, you have a lot of good things. But this does not mean that you are the best in 100% of things. No country in the history of the world has been that. You have a robust economy, the most important currency,… Read more »

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Swiss Alps cannot start comparing to the majesty of Colorado mountains.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Anna
1 year ago

Different kind of beauty. There’s nothing like what I told you, standing there looking across the continental divide from above timberline in the middle of the winter. In Switzerland you see an ancient accommodation of man with a harsh environment. Some of the little mountain towns predate the US by hundreds of years and I’ve always had a personal appreciation for that joining of man and nature, so it’s just personal preference. I wouldn’t at all want to disparage any of the little Colorado mountain towns, though. You can see the grit and determination of the pioneers in every brick… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Anna
1 year ago

you couldn’t be more wrong, and I have seen both.

yo
yo
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

Hey: The Wild geese Howard.

PLEASE DO NOT RECOMMEND THE WASATCH MOUNTAINS AGAIN. They are not really that good and it is not worth it for outsiders to visit. They are incredibly boring actually if you are around them enough. Please. don’t tel people to spend any of their hard earned time and money to see them…..

If you catch my drift…

please…

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Falcone: I haven’t seen nearly enough of the American landmass, but I’ve still seen a fair bit – as well as quite a bit of Europe and other parts of the world. If you are referring just to the physical landscape, I think you are dead wrong. There are beautiful vistas in the United States – The Blue Ridge or Ozark Mountains, the lakes in upper NY state, the Everglades in Florida, the deserts of the west, the Rockies, the Atlantic coast of Maine, etc. Everything is a different scale than in Europe. Nature here – where it wasn’t obliterated… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I hear ya but I think Karl hit on it pretty well. In Europe you can live among the beauty, whereas here you can only visit it. You can buy a little stone apartment in Italy for $15,000. That is not a typo. It’s a small room in a stone building but it’s something at least. Larger point being is you can live in a beautiful area, may be a small village, but there would be a lake, or an ocean nearby, or rolling hills and sunsets. Anywhere nice in America, if you want those views of the ozarks or… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Falcone: We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ve watched/seen videos of land for sale in Italy (note – not a one room stone home in a mountain village, but old stone homes on a few acres in the mountains) and it’s beyond expensive. The idea of owning not merely a room or home but actual private acreage among European nature is truly something for the top 1%. One can very well live amongst beautiful nature in America – it’s not all been turned to public parks – you just have to look for it. Our new property of 80… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

-3g4me

In contrast to yo above, I’m going to encourage you to please keep recommending the lakes in upstate NY as much as possible!

😉

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Wild Geese: My parents drove us through that area in 1970 on a family vacation up to Niagara Falls and Montreal. I remember being surprised by how lovely rural parts of New York state were – the mountains, the lakes, etc. You couldn’t get me to live there now, of course, but there is some surprisingly pretty real estate hiding in the east coast states.

crabe-tambour
crabe-tambour
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

You were right.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

DeTocqueville noticed the narrow acceptable range of thought, discussion, and behavior in the US when he visited in the 1800s.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  imnobody00
1 year ago

There’s some truth to this, particularly among the Grillers. Their idea is that, if it’s happening in ‘Murica, it must be okay. This includes mass subsidization of the anti-white terrrorist org BLM, the Covid tyranny, the theft of an election, and the outrageous persecution of the J6 protesters.

On the positive side, I fully believe the scales are falling from some of the Grillers’ eyes, albeit far too late to save America itself.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 year ago

This is a very good, provocative, and surprisingly upbeat piece. And just when I was begging to think Z was incapable of anything but pitchy gloom… My only quibble is with something Z implied, but perhaps didn’t necessarily mean; his statement is ambiguous. Specifically, Z argues that in the 1950s man’s first obligation was to his family, and that his duties radiated outward in concentric circles to the city, county, state, etc. If this is what Z means, I really cannot agree. In periods such as the 1950s, when patriotism reigns supreme, yes, the primary obligation is still to the… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

I suspect you may be confusing the relative strength of different loyalties. The willingness to go to war for your country doesn’t fall neatly into that tiered system (family-city-county-etc), considering that cities and counties rarely go to war with each other. The willingness to go off to war rests on the faith that one’s loved ones are safe at home. In other words, if the home wasn’t safe, it’s very unlikely that most people would leave them to fight elsewhere.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

That is doubtless true. However, nobody has true emotional ties and loyalty to a county. He may very well, on the other hand, have those for his country.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Says you, speaking from a modern perspective. I have to think you are part of the new, rootless America. In my county, there are family ties to the land that go back a couple centuries in some cases. I have met people who’ve never been as far as the big city an hour away. I know people born here who traveled all over, but they came back here because their roots are here. God knows modernity is doing everything possible to weaken those bonds, but they were still strong in the ’50s. When I first bought my farm in the… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

Vizzini: This. Spoke to man about my (or soon to be my) well. His surname is the name of a nearby small town. His ancestors were among the original White settlers of the area. I’ve been reading a book I bought from another resident, written by her father. Certain surnames appear time and again – from people whose histories are inextricably intertwined with the land and its history. That’s something that’s vanishing in America and it’s a tragedy.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

Yeah, those days are sadly coming to a close The people who got here first really had a great thing in this country. They had a good few hundred years to plant their roots and make a home of it. On the other hand, my American roots are in tampa and New Orleans lol. I can’t go back to to either place. My heart cries for New Orleans sometimes, recalling my youth, or Tampa, but I just can’t deal with the blackness. So for us late arrivers, the American scene is inherently different. But even the old timers are finding… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

Those people are loyal to the land–which is amorphously regional–far more than they are to the county, I strongly suspect.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

“Those people are loyal to the land–which is amorphously regional–far more than they are to the county, I strongly suspect.”

You wouldn’t know, would you? You’ve never been here.

Bill Jones
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Never heard of The War of the Roses?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

I know my dad who served in the Marines always used to say he was taught, his obligations were, in order: God, family, country.

It was understood, even among the military, that you had higher obligations than even to things of a patriotic nature. Can that be said today? I think now your obligations are 99% to the country and lucky if you get a chance to have a family or go to Church.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

In AINO’s military, I don’t think there’s any loyalty to anything other than the self. Non-whites, who increasingly comprise the military, have never been patriotic and never will be. And patriotism in general is on the wane, although is still relatively high. Today people join the military for career reasons or because they don’t have any better options. There is precious little idealism.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

“You can give your soul to Jesus, but YOUR ASS BELONGS TO THE CORPS!”
Though attending the Sunday chaplain at OCS was “optional in name only.”

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

the only thing Zman knows about the 50’s is what he reads; same for me and I have 10+ years on him. it was a very mysterious time, lots of things brewing…

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I’ve had the advantage of first person sources for my area. The old couple I bought my farm from had lived in the area all their lives and would regale me with tales of their lives and the history of the area going back to the early 1900s, and we’re fortunate enough to have a society called Little Cities of the Black Diamond that is very good about online archiving of old historical documents, so I can browse through there and see what people were really doing, thinking and talking about at the time. Zman is correct, as far as… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I’ve always wondered if there are some secret tapes stashed away in the library of Congress that is a meeting of people like Allen Dulles Jacob javits and other big name people basically laying out the next 15 years.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 year ago

Maybe the term Asymmetric Feudalism is a better way of stating the current situation between the government and the people Zman outlines so well. We can be taxed, surveilled, drafted, jabbed, quarantined and locked up for no particular reason. The Gov’t doesn’t even have the obligation to protect our homes/lives (just note all the case law around Police and their lacking any obligation to protect you). Unlike the feudal era with its symmetric responsibilities/obligations, this current Era is characterized by “tax serfdom” without any benefits/obligations flowing downwards. My only quibble with Zman here is that the apparent weakness of the… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
1 year ago

“Freedom was a state in which there were no rules.”

I’ve never heard “freedom” defined that way. Did “freedom” really mean anarchy or lawlessness during feudal times?

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Great post. It shakes up my mind and makes new synapses fire. Well done. Captain Willard is on to something. I think to be most precise, the feudal system’s system of obligations was characterized by reciprocal obligations. Thus ruler and ruled had clearly defined obligations to each other. Stated in a more noble language, they were bound by honor to the duties they pledged to faithfully uphold. If Lord A wanted to run his estates differently than another he could. Or he could run each of his different estates differently depending upon circumstances. Perhaps we can look at representative democracy… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

The Constitution is only as good as the people enforcing it. Frankly, I think the Articles of Confederation were better.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

There is an error there: “Lord A could run his estates as he wanted.” That is freedom, not liberty, that you describe and it did not exist. Enclosures, fallowing and rotation, crop diversity, and all the other modern evolutions away from feudalism all led to serious unrest precisely BECAUSE the lord could not do as he wished: he had an obligation to his vassals, even the serfs, to maintain order and tradition. The “freedom” of experimenting with the sustenance and ability of your underlings to even survive is a modern “anti-reciprocal duty” idea that lionizes the “I gets mine” approach,… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
1 year ago

Interesting. So you are saying that the risk of experimentation failure was too high (large scale starvation and death), to permit experimentation and innovation? I can see it playing out that way. It is true that I am ignorant of the facts on the ground of European feudalism. They must have had controlled experimentation. Otherwise how was there ever any beneficial innovation at all? Can you clarify, “The “freedom” of experimenting with the sustenance and ability of your underlings to even survive is a modern “anti-reciprocal duty” idea that lionizes the “I gets mine” approach, and the opposite of feudalistic… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Freedoms just another word, for nothing left to lose

Vince
1 year ago

How will that square with whites being shoved into a minority. The feudal system and the comparison made here relied on whites being in a majority both in Western Europe and America.

I’m not all that certain the dusky hordes react the same way to civilizational pressures as whites do (or did).

Excellent post zman, very thought provoking.

Vince
Reply to  Vince
1 year ago

For some reason this bit was excluded from my reply:

In the long run, the restoration of those old duties and obligations will restore the balance between the two. Being ruled by a local elite personalizes the relationship.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Vince
1 year ago

There’s a difference in being “ruled” and accepting that someone else is “in charge” and their responsibilities include admin and so forth of the place.

I think Americans lean more toward the latter in terms of the social arrangements they are willing to accept. Being lorded over and ruled from some dumbass in DC is where the problems are coming from. The people in DC went from being simply in charge to being despots. That’s un-American, and I don’t think it can hold, at least among the white folks. I am clueless as to what to expect from everyone else.

Deacon Blues
Deacon Blues
1 year ago

The ‘Liberty’ and ‘Freedom’ distinction is important. Our rulers have also eroded liberty by constantly changing the rules, and selectively or refusing to enforce most of the rules they create. Acting in accordance with the rules then is nigh impossible. This is what we get for having very disturbed people as rulers.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 year ago

Mencken once observed that, before the automobile, an American woman could spend all her life seeing no government agent but the postman.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

Jack: And the only time a “lady” had her name appear in print was when she was Christened, when she married, and when she died. Compare and contrast to Tik-Tok slores of today.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

The people at the top ABSOLUTELY need to be reminded of their duties every single time they walk out the door – they owe that to everyone in who’s name they supposedly make decisions. We all know the old saying: familiarity breeds contempt – and as soon as that contempt begins seeping into the decision making process, the reminders need to be issued forcefully and punitively.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

The people at the top won’t recognize their obligations until something they care about is affected.

A good example of something they care about are the supply chains for their private jets.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Wild Geese: I’ve often pondered the state of mind of the White private-plane pilots and personal bodyguards of all the sub-Saharan denizens made wealthy by corporate ‘murrica. Sometimes I can see accepting certain moral compromises in exchange for truly guaranteeing one’s own family’s future, but these people are not rich and set up for life – they are still working service jobs for ‘people’ not fit to lick White feet. And there are very definite limits to what I’d do for money. I suppose that’s why I’m not rich.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

“The two words are used interchangeably today, but it was not always so. Liberty was the right to act within the context of the rules. Freedom was a state in which there were no rules.” If you have the time, I’d be most grateful for the source of these statements. My interest is mainly linguistic (etymology), but also, although to a lesser degree, in the distinction you are making here (which I have encountered before, but always without any source for the distinctions being made between the words “freedom” and liberty”). Where does this come from? What is its basis?… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

One only needs to look at our Founding Fathers and their discussions in the early days of the organization of the Republic. The Founders were masters of the English language and the most educated of society—and as such, would never use redundancy in their writings. See how many discussions spoke of “freedoms and liberties”. It was common at the time. Why would they say “freedoms” and then “liberties” in the same sentence when one word meant the other in common understanding? They would not. In short, my understanding is similar to Z-man’s. Liberties were akin to “rights” as we now… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Wouldn’t it also be that “freedom” was freedom from “the man” — free of bondage and obligations to the primary authority. Whereas “liberties” were things you could do locally and that were judged locally and more in the realm of ethics and morality? Hence the word libertine. As an aside, notice how when these federal guys are in front of congress, they always say “I am not a liberty to discuss anything relating to an ongoing investigation”. Wonder if that means anything, the history behind that expression? Liberty in this sense means something like “license”. I dont have the proper… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I think “liberty” was synonymous with “privilege.” You have the liberty (the privilege) of fishing in the stream on my property, but nobody else does. People were given “the liberty of the town” or “the liberty of the ship” and so on. That usage is common in old records that predate the Norman Conquest, “freedom” being an English (Germanic) word, and “liberty” being a French (Latin) word. ” … when these federal guys are in front of congress, they always say “I am not a liberty to discuss anything” That’s a “stock phrase (and what it means in the context… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

No apologies please

I am also one who leans toward etymology.

And the Germanic and Latin roots of the words were lingering in my head in the background and I was wondering if this had any part to play in the evolution of the words.

Even so, the past was a more serious time, and a more enlightened and educated time, and so there might have been a point where the expression “I am not at liberty to” had a basis in something real, or something the community understood more deeply, before it became a hollow stock phrase.

OED beckons

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

Falcone: I’m envious. I have the two volume set of the OED that requires a magnifying glass, and thus I use it a lot less than when I was younger and sharper eyed.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

My wife bought me the OED one Christmas, after much hinting. It was when Simon Winchester had just published “The Meaning of everything” his story of how it came to be. The Oxford University Press ran a special that year (2003?) when it was $600 or so instead of the usual $3,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Everything

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Falcone
1 year ago

I am envious of your possession of the full hardback edition of the OED. Had I access to that deep well, I would find it difficult to resist whiling away many hours chasing after etymologies and the drift of meanings and usages over the passage of time.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Many thanks for your time and for the courtesy of your reply.

Scholar
Scholar
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

You find it in Montesquieu’s The Spirit of Laws among other places, but the founders would certainly have read it there

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

In the UK, if someone accuses you of “taking far too many facking liberties” you should brace yourself for a punch that is probably on the way

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
1 year ago

I don’t always see eye to eye with the Z-Man, but I agree very much with the substance of this essay and it comports with my own view, although I would have described it in different language.

It really aggravates me when some people toss around the word “Neo-Feudalism” as a term of disparagement to describe our current techno-oligarchic dystopia. Feudalism is precisely what the current age is NOT, and few people seem to realize just how good the ordinary person had it within the feudal system.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

The propaganda engine against the Middle Ages started in the so-called enlightenment and has been a part of public consciousness for several generations. They must all be backwards hicks back then, since modern enlightened people have things like a cell phone and people with official sounding titles to tell them what to think, unlike Medieval people who listened to the Church and their ancestral traditions.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

You’d think people would look at the art and architecture and wonder what great men could’ve produced them.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

They do, hence the propaganda against it.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Iron Maiden
1 year ago

Yes, indeed, it is a rebuke against the puerility of the “blank slate” nonsense when the connection between such greatness and the genetic and cultural matrix which made these things possible is ranged against leftist blather, and those who produce it and advocate for it.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

“Feudalism is precisely what the current age is NOT, and few people seem to realize just how good the ordinary person had it within the feudal system.” BRAVO! Thanks for pointing out this elephant in the room. Feudalism was, above and beyond all other considerations, STABLE. It was based on reciprocal relationships. Everyone knew what his rights and duties were. “Law” was something to be discovered through daily living and through tradition, not “positive law,” manufactured by “officials” and almost always to provide some kind of benefit to some undeserving person or group. Feudalism was LOCAL. Etc. Just as people… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

How true. I would argue we have serfdom today, but without a well defined set of “rights” for the “serfs”. Is that not what the main societal argument has been for over a 100 years at least? Think about it. The serfs are now typically what we call “wage slaves” and are allowed to live “paycheck to paycheck” and when unemployed or unable to work (sick) are often cast into the void in our enlightened society.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

@compsci: You are absolutely right. We DO have serfdom today, except that serfs were attached to a given place–to the soil–and nowadays, many of our social ills arise from the fact that a huge number of people are just rootless and without any feeling for the place where they were born. The anonymity afforded by urban life is the source of a LOT of bad stuff b/c it is destructive of community. Resurrecting feudalism (without serfdom) would set a great many things to rights–things that have been corrupted by the childish notion (I won’t call it an idea) of equality.… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

Serfs you will always have with you. The issue is that the serfs (wage slaves) have duties, with little to no corresponding rights against their overlords (employers). Even when they unionize, they are more often than not screwed over by their union.

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

@c matt Whats interesting about your statement is yes, they do often tend to get screwed over by their own unions. I deal with a couple different unions professionally, and those who often start ascending the ranks often wind up agreeing with management side and their representatives, in that so many of those complaining or causing problems really are just never satisfied malcontents, so they too start tuning them out quickly and simply collecting the benefits of their position, whatever they may be. That said I do support them in a fashion I have never before, for the sole purpose… Read more »

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
1 year ago

“Each new ‘freedom’ comes with less liberty and therefore a declining ability to resist the state.”
Excellent! The distinction you draw between freedom and liberty is superb, though sadly, and mostly, misunderstood.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
1 year ago

You can see the distinction in family life. Lax divorce laws gave people in a marriage more freedom, on paper, but is completely destructive to any sort of long-term liberty. It used to be you had assurance your spouse would not bail so household duties could be reasonably delegated, you had assurance that your children could not be potentially used as weapons against you, and, most importantly, is limited the amount of poison bad actors could whisper in your spouse’s ear. Now most parents have to live with the reality that anything they do, no matter how much in the… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

“The price payed for this freedom is the chains of a complete hostile and undetermined future.”

The MAIN cost is that of stability. Once there is instability, everything else is in peril. Instability is the mother of a whole laundry-list of trouble. As you have pointed out, the ability to make plans–reliable plans–is one of the first victims of instability. After that …

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
1 year ago

And of course, we need only consider what we know of White, racial proclivities and how they’ve propelled us to the top via our “time preference” behavior. Other races developing in “unstable” environments have completely different manners in adapting to such instability: environment -> biology -> culture.

We have written the script for our own demise.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Free to smoke pot and dress like a woman came at the expense of something else

Freedoms always seem to be finite in number, so if you add a new one you have to give up an existing one

It may not be explicit, but in practice it always works this way. We can’t even protest the government anymore. So we lost that freedom. But we can smoke pot. Fair trade?

imbroglio
imbroglio
1 year ago

Whether to call them gangs or local councils, the decentralized structure of authority will be operating from a base of little capital, supposing an economic collapse concurrent with the political collapse. From necessity, the local “zemstov” may commandeer productive resources, including labor, to facilitate this needed capital accumulation. Your point about the restriction of both freedom and liberty. Griswold v. Connecticut was an engineered case, the Supremes overturning a “silly” law with the friendly collusion of the state (CT,) a slap in the face of the Catholic Church whose political power in the state was waning. Same here in Massachusetts… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  imbroglio
1 year ago

“Hard to believe that Massachusetts, meaning, politically, east of Woosta’, was once a bastion of conservatism where the Lodges spoke only to the Cabots and the Cabots spoke only to God.”

Yeah wtf happened?

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

The WASPs, being WASPs, waffled and wilted and withdrew their whiteness; though they never relented in disparaging white Catholics while hideously hailing the Hebrew.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Liberty Mike
1 year ago

The only thing I feel confident saying is that they have near-zero natural resistance to diversity. Hence the puritan streak, I imagine.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

And of course Evil Moustache, so you can’t be puritanical.

Say what you will about their ethos and methods, but they were effective at maintaining an orderly and decent society. At this point I’d take the ends over the means.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Mass immigration happened. But since you asked about MA here’s the link to the General Court https://malegislature.gov/ You can look up state Senators or Reps and struggle to find a WASP. It’s overwhelmingly Irish, Italian, and Jewish. With a few Greeks, Portuguese, and French Canadians. That’s pretty much the story of every state in the northeast. And let’s be honest, even if there were a small plurality of voters in the various immigrant-heritage groups who voted conservatively, the are wouldn’t be deep blue, but it is.

Member
1 year ago

When ruling classes (ours isn’t elite in any meaningful sense of the word) become separated from the ruled, the road to tyranny and social collapse is wide open.

In most polities, the process of destruction takes about 250 years, check out John Glubb Pasha

https://www.hiddendominion.com/the-cycle-of-collapse-fate-of-empires-by-sir-john-glubb/

Falcone
Falcone
1 year ago

This is a very profound article and brings to mind something I have experienced. My son used to say, probably following my lead, that you were more free in Italy than in America. This was just his casual observations. Like the authorities didn’t hound you at every turn, you could do things there, like having a beer walking around, that you couldn’t here. If you were in a fender bender, no one made a federal case out of it. There just weren’t nearly as many laws and rules, and the ones there were were not followed too closely. But what… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

Like a lot of people I have worked in my career for both a smaller family private company and a national Wall Street corporation. The family company knew most of the employees by their first name, paid their employees decent salaries, and sent flowers and condolences when the employee family members passed. They were an elite who fulfilled their responsibilities. The Wall Street corporations know the employees by the HR spreadsheet numbers, have no idea when employee family members pass away, and we buy our own flowers. The Wall Street elites fail in their role as elites. They need to… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

Frankly, knowing that my GloboBank employer is indifferent at best and likely hates me (if they could, HR would have fired me over vax/booster requirements) is liberating.

I log in at the required start time, log off at 5:00 and don’t give a second thought to my job after hours or during my full lunch hour.