Chaos And Control

The closest thing we have to a universal principle of human society is that all elites are primarily concerned with maintaining their status as elites. No matter how the society is organized and for what purpose, the number one priority of a social elite is maintaining themselves as the elite. In fact, it is reasonable to say that the point of society, from the perspective of elites, is to maintain the elite. Any benefit to the people is either to maintain the standing of the elite or a happy accident.

It is tempting to think that the best way for an elite to maintain itself is to make sure the people over whom it rules is happy. A good king keeps his people in peace and prosperity, so the people are happy to have him as king. The trouble is, there is always someone who thinks they can do a better job than the king. Good times or bad times, these people will look for their opportunity. Of course, in good times, a new elite can form up outside the system and potentially rival the existing elite.

It turns out that good times bring dangers to an elite. In fact, good times are more of a problem than bad times, because in bad times the elite can use the emergency as a way to rally the people. Roosevelt used the Great Depression to rally the people around a set of alien ideas called the New Deal. His massive expansion of the state was totally at odds with American tradition, but times were tough and the people trusted him, so they went along with his radical ideas.

Emergencies are a great way to bind the people to their current elites. Unless the elite proves to be unable to unwilling to face the emergency, the people will give their existing rulers the benefit of the doubt. Throughout the Cold War, Americans were willing to tolerate all sorts of trouble, because the threat of nuclear war made the idea of challenging the elites seem risky. There was plenty of cultural turmoil, much of it from the top, but the great American middle never wavered.

That gets to the other way elites maintain power. By pitting one group against another, the people are too busy with that to question authority. In fact, self-interest leads them to appeal to the exiting authority to resolve the conflict. If crime suddenly becomes a problem in your town, those complaints about the cops suddenly go away as long as the cops do something about the crime. By keeping the masses busy with various small issues, elites can defend against the formation of rival elites.

This explains the turmoil of the 1960’s and 1970’s. The race revolts, youth rebellion and cultural revolution were not grassroots phenomenon. All of these things were the product of the exiting elites. Look into the background of the radical leaders of that period and most of them came from elite backgrounds. Once their radical days were done, they went into positions within elite institutions. Even those who committed serious crimes were welcomed back home.

The second half of the 20th century was a game of good cop – bad cop on the American people by the ruling elite that emerged after the war. The bad cops created cultural mayhem that “freaked out the squares” while the good cops appealed to the people’s patriotism and decency to fight the Cold War. One hand created division while the other hand created unity. Often these two forces were pitted against one another to the benefit of the ruling class.

During the Cold War, this system served the elites very well. The threat of nuclear war forced the agents of control to contain the agents of chaos. At the same time, the agents of chaos understood they had limits. The two sides of the ruling class were not always in balance, but they always returned to balance. The chaos of civil rights gave way to the control of racial peace. The cultural chaos of the 1960’s and 1970’s gave way to the control of the 1980’s.

Ever since the end of the Cold war, this system has been in crisis. Without the threat of nuclear annihilation, the agents of chaos have no limits. At the same time, the agents of control no longer have to worry as much about the façade of democracy. The crusades against the Muslims brought some stability to the problem, but the Muslims were never a serious threat like the Soviets. For the last two decades the agents of chaos and control have been running wild.

This explains the ridiculous things we see today. On the one hand, the security state is wantonly violating civil rights in order to maintain control. The extent of the crimes committed by the FBI is unknown, but what is known is shocking. On the other hand, the super-rich finance crackpot schemes to unleash crime waves and pervert the law to torment the people. Throwing open the jails and appointing pro-crime prosecutors is the definition of societal madness.

The standard explanation from conservatives for what we are seeing is that the people behind this stuff want money or power. The trouble is the people behind this stuff already have money and power. In fact, they have more money and power than any ruling elite in human history. Western elites, especially the American elites, make the aristocracy of 18th century France look poor and impotent. Clearly, the motivation behind this behavior is not money or power.

What we may be seeing is the organic death of a ruling elite. The 20th century selected for a certain type of person in the American ruling class. One type was the agent of chaos and the other type was the agent of control. There was no selection pressure in favor of prudence or moral scruples. The great crises of the 20th century provided something like an electric fence around the elite. Over time, these conditions produced an elite incapable of self-limit.

Like the panda bear, our elite has evolved down a dead end. They thrash around looking for some great crisis to serve the same role as the Cold War, but that was a unique period in human history. It cannot be replicated. Meanwhile, the agents of chaos and control explore the outer limits of their sociopathy. Unencumbered by the fear of destruction, they keep pushing the limits, while simultaneously creating the conditions for their own demise.


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Wj
Wj
1 year ago

Iraq was not about Russia. Not even close. Russia was not even on the GWB radar screen at the time. They didn’t do squat when we invaded. Putin was in power then. Iraq was more about Israel but not entirely.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Wj
1 year ago

Wj: “Iraq was more about Israel but not entirely.” Who created the “evidence” that Iraq had attempted to assassinate GHWB-41 in 1993? Here’s the timeline: 1991: Saddam Hussein launches Scud Missile attacks on Israel [SIX GORILLION EARLY LIVES]. February 26, 1993, Ramzi Yousef et al attack the parking garage of the World Trade Center with urea nitrate hydrogen bombs. 1993: Someone [??? WHO/WHOM ??? EARLY LIFE ???] claims that GHWB-41 was targetted by Iraq for assassination in Kuwait; Slick Willy responds with cruise missile attacks on Baghdad. March 1995: Jamie Gorelick [EARLY LIFE] authors the DOJ “Wall of Separation” doctrine… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

Blackmail Nation.
Very, very well done, much mishna upon you, Bourbon (heh).

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pantoufle
pantoufle
1 year ago

“The standard explanation from conservatives for what we are seeing is that the people behind this stuff want money or power. The trouble is the people behind this stuff already have money and power. … Clearly, the motivation behind this behavior is not money or power.” Those were some damn chilling lines. And then you left it. Your last two paragraphs don’t answer, as far as I can see, your implied question. Or when you wrote that the elite is decayed and incapable of self-limit, were you thinking of a monster (for such he surely has become) such as Soros?… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  pantoufle
1 year ago

You still have a mind of your own right? That means their power still has limits, is not yet complete, and they are aware of that fact.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Thank you, Jeff.
I have lately been unwrapping my mind and sense of things to my stepson, and in tonight’s exchange I pretty much said that; I refuse to yield my will to Them no matter what. What we can do in these awful times is only so much, but situational aware ness helps us to protect our families from at least some of Their evil intents. You do what you can.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

To quote Havel, live as if you are free. That’s mighty sound advice

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

That saying by Havel got me through the Covid madness. It works!

pantoufle
pantoufle
1 year ago

Whoa look at all the comments. I knew this was a good one. “They thrash around looking for some great crisis to serve the same role as the Cold War,…” At this point it looks to me as if they want (unrealistically) to do a Goldilocks War–neither hot (that’s scary) nor cold (the conditions for that, as you wrote, have passed). They seem to think they can sustain this not-quite-a-war thing against China/Russia & Friends, probably for years. It will be tricky, but would work well to keep the Normies fearful. They also likely sense the Normies are getting tired… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

In other happy news, Mike Whitney makes a plausible argument that the classified documents suddenly found in Bidien’s closet are part of a blackmail campaign to force him to send US troops into ‘Kraine:

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/is-biden-being-blackmailed-to-send-us-combat-troops-to-ukraine/

God help us all.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

That cannot be discounted. Also, this may be a pivot to blame any setback or loss in the Ukraine on Biden. As Jeffrey Zoar wrote earlier, the first “scandal” was an early week news dump with the second punch landed midweek. The timing there says it all. The Regime wants something.

May God have mercy on us all.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

As some of the comments point out, (1) Biden is too non compos mentis (or compost mentis, if you prefer) to be blackmailed, (2) he already does the regime’s bidding anyway, and (3) there is plenty of other stuff out there wit which to blackmail him.

I see this as either a distraction, or yet another peg setting him up to be the fall guy when things go sideways (more so than already).

Jim in Alaska
Member
1 year ago

Yep, creating the conditions for their own demise.

A minor problem from their point of view but a rather major one from ours; some, could be even one, of the conditions they’re creating may result in our demise as well.

Cwenhild
Cwenhild
1 year ago

Our ‘elites’ and the society they’ve created are the products of two centuries of determined satanic corruption. This is becoming obvious to more and more people every day as these insane, putrid demons grow bolder – the One-Eye Club, Balenciaga (that’s one), blood fetishes/cannibalism/paedophilia creeping into everything, the promotion of witchcraft, Monarch butterflies symbolising mind-control. This is the horrible reality. It is also sensational and weird and a million miles away from pie charts, which makes it a useful way to open people’s eyes. If they can be made to see just how evil these people really are – behind… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Cwenhild
1 year ago

Here is a link to an article from American Conservative on a letter from Pope Benedict he wrote in 2015 in which he speaks on the imminent danger from the Anti-Christ. Very interesting article which addresses the failure of the Church and Christianity in general in these days. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/benedict-xvi-it-is-the-time-of-antichrist/ Here is a link to a posthumously released letter by the Australian churchman, Cardinal Pell, that is related to concerns voiced by Pope Benedict responding to the upcoming Synods in 2023 & 2024. Worth a reading. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-catholic-church-must-free-itself-from-this-toxic-nightmare/ Full disclosure: I am not a Catholic, but I listen and learn, as I… Read more »

Cwenhild
Cwenhild
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

Thank you for the links. Like you, I flit between the two. Seems Pope Benedict knew the score. I daresay you’ve read the article below, but it was my white pill for the day – younger Catholic priests are much more Trad and conservative, and liberal Christianity is on the skids.

https://brianniemeier.com/2023/01/hopeful-libcath-listicle/

Thomas Tasch
Thomas Tasch
1 year ago

The elites do have a motive of power which is to destroy this county as founded, And I do not see a crack in their amour; meaning their demise will not be soon.

Davidcito
Davidcito
Reply to  Thomas Tasch
1 year ago

The sooner our country is destroyed the sooner the states have freedom of association. IEach state can start crafting their own immigration laws and trade deals too. I’m more worried that they keep it together a couple more centuries and smear POCs across every nook and cranny until we all look like Lenny kravitz

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Davidcito
1 year ago

It is falling apart and disintegrating even now. It is hard to see because we are caught up in the moment, but the fragmentation is well underway.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Davidcito
1 year ago

I hear Texas has a 38B surplus this year. Perhaps it should spend it on a border wall.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

But we do have a primary dual, existential crisis on the order of nuclear annihilation:

The percentage of stupids is exploding, while the percentage of white people is declining.

So, how might this evolve into a stable order, a balance, of chaos and control?

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

As with extra solar spaceflight (basic sanitation, literacy, scientific inquiry, etc), the ability to generate controlled fission in energy generation and for weapon uses is probably not something that mankind will be able to maintain.
Certainly not in the west.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

Holy smokes. The ape historians need to quoting this right here like we do Plato, Cicero, or Machiavelli.

Whiskey
Whiskey
1 year ago

Speaking of elite power, I think we are witnessing the shadow play to get rid of Biden among the elites. He’s become too grifting and hitting their own wallets hence the move to “release” the information about the classified documents (as VP not President). And Merrick Garland “appointing” a Special Prosecutor (who is not independent but reports to Garland). Question: is this Garland, or Mayor Pete Buttplug, or the Obamas, or the Silicon Valley oligarchs behind Harris, or Hillary! using their muscle in the FBI to “release” this information and put pressure on the Biden clan to go quietly. “Oft… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

They sure are moving fast, it took what, not even 72 hrs from when the story first broke to appoint a special counsel

Just the other day I ran across that FDR quote, maybe it was here, I dunno: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned.”

R
R
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

Idk. More likely, it’s a friendly investigator. They’ll use it as an excuse to 1) ‘decline to comment’ out of respect for the ‘active investigation’; and then 2) in six months, claim that the “investigation” cleared them

Bonus, they can funnel ~$20 million to that friendly investigator as “fees.”

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  R
1 year ago

You’ll note that the story first broke on a Monday morning, not a Friday afternoon. Then broke the 2nd round of allegations on Wed. If they wanted it to go away, I don’t think breaking the story on Mon, reinforcing it on Wed, and appointing SC on Thur is the route they would take. The msm has the power to make stories they don’t want disappear completely, they just don’t report them. This one is front and center.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

They want us to see them on TV clearing Biden after a “thorough” investigation of the same crime Trump’s been accused of. Then they arrest Trump. Take what Biden’s done and try Trump for it—just like with the Ukraine impeachment.

Chekov’s gun is the fake story of Trump having to be restrained to stop him from grabbing the steering wheel and doing an insurrection. They’ll say he did it again and he had to be shot.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
1 year ago

They are certainly on an evolutionary path to extinction. But their demise will be economic, not ideational. The populations of the West have accepted that men who say that they think they are women really are women. If they will accept that, they will accept anything. But the global economic system that they have constructed can be maintained only with ever-increasing amounts of debt. Like Wimpy, they will discover that Tuesday Always Comes. It might not come tomorrow or next week (although it might), but it will come.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 year ago

Who could have predicted the petrodollar? They got a solid half century and counting out of that one. It will be just as hard to predict the GAE’s next currency gambit, but I guarantee you they have one. Probably more than one. Moreover, the PD was in force for many years before many folks even began to get wise to its existence. Collapse is indeed inevitable, someday, for all things, but a lot of the talk about it I see in dissident circles strikes me more as wishful thinking than real economic analysis. Yes, the debt is unsustainable, if you… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

I see at least four ways to sustain fiat currency:

1. Tie it to a commodity in demand
2. The mafia method (back it by force)
3. Tie it to a high trust authority
4. Tie it to a highly productive society

The GAE is incapable of 3 and 4 at this point, so it is left with a hybrid of 1 and 2 (the petrodollar – tied to a commodity by force). That also appears to be slipping away.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

There are more ways than that, since the only objective is to create more demand for the currency. Although some amount of force is always a factor, as it has been with the petrodollar too.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

MelBlanc is right, and so is Zoar. The Digital Amero. The Declaration of North America between Canada, the US, and Mexico signals they’ve quietly proceeded structuring Bodega Economic Zone #6, the North American Union. We’ll see more realignments of the WWll borders as the One Belt is built out, such as the Mediterranean Union. Europe’s borders were busted open to expand the MU, as ours and Canada’s are for the NAU. The currency of that reorganization is CBDC’s, based on Web 3.0 Etherium blockchains. Blockchain “transparency” of the FedCoin means complete surveillance. (Bitcoin itelf was credited to a fictional character… Read more »

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Yes. The purpose of the border visit was to normalize the idea that the US, Canada and Mexico heads of state are a trivium of a single unit, as well as to clean up El Paso so they could pretend that there is nothing to see there. Peatreaus (sp?) and other military leaders have been normalizing this for decades. Of course, the Mexican HOS couldn’t hide his glee that there are 40 million Mexicans in America – he and Wall St. get to suck off a lot of remittance fees as an effective tax. That is America’s model – usury… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
1 year ago

I don’t think the panda bear comparison is fair to the pandas. Pandas just won’t have sex, while the elites redirect their reproductive impulses towards little boys.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Those relatively few of us who see through the GAE’s Ukraine gambit seem to have a tendency to underestimate or disregard how much popular support there is for the latest iteration of Russia Man Bad. Civnat G. Normiecon is fully on board with the GAE agenda here, as is the totality of the npc left. Looting the treasury for Ukraine is the new patriotic mandate in place of where the cold war and the war on terror used to be. Everybody has a weakness for at least one of the three of money, sex, and power. So I’ve been told… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Quote the famous fictional businessman: “In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women…”
T. Montana

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Jeez, you guys here have really lived the dream. I collected postage stamps while you were out there doing this stuff.

Mr. House
Mr. House
1 year ago

Not sure if i shared this here before, but i highly recommended ZMAN and everyone else read this:

https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=4725

Getreal
Getreal
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

That is a massive word salad. Suggest an edit down.

tl;dr Bad people rule America.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Getreal
1 year ago

I doubt you read it, was written in 2010 and the author is dead. Next!

Getreal
Getreal
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

Take a breath. I clicked on the link and read it about 2/3 down until concluding as I stated in my tl;dr.

The ‘death’ of the author has exactly what to do with your statement…?

Perhaps you care to summarize the piece after you take that calming inhale. Or a nice walk.

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
1 year ago

During his 1978 speech at Harvard’s Commencement exercises, Sohlzhenitzyn made several remarks that ruffled the audience’s feathers (and the chattering class really couldn’t figure out what he really meant). In particular he referred to the West having lost its courage, and that being a marker of decline already well underway.

Now of course, Harvard itself is a joke of the highest order, turning out defective products only suitable for “function” in end stage decline.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  AnotherAnon
1 year ago

Even today, with the benefit of hindsight, your typical Harvard product would have an impossible time seeing Sohlzhenitzyn’s point. After all, they helped spearhead transgenderism, BLM, and abortion on demand. What is that if not courage? Have you not seen the trust fund babies of Harvard with their fists courageously in the air?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  AnotherAnon
1 year ago

Solzhenitsyn was a genuine. They all expected him to come along and not only slam the commies but praise the West. Boy, did they get a shock! And today who can doubt a single word he said?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

Sorry: “genius”

Sawb
Sawb
1 year ago

As Edward G Robinson said in the movie Key Largo in his answer to the question “ what is it you want?” His answer
“more.” Elites always want .. more.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Sawb
1 year ago

*** COUGH *** …EARLY LIFE… *** COUGH ***

Edward G. Robinson (born Emanuel Goldenberg; December 12, 1893 – January 26, 1973)…

The film was adapted by Richard Brooks… Brooks was born as Reuben Sax to Hyman and Esther Sax…

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Sawb
1 year ago

And when the French scientist asks normie Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters while he’s staring at a monstrous space ship, “Mr. Neary, what do you want?” he answers, “I just want to know that it’s really happening.”

The Cloudies move from one rapacious grab to another, while the dirt people can’t make themselves accept what’s right in front of their eyes.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

And anticipating Bourbon, Richard Dreyfuss’s “family is Jewish, descended from immigrants from Russia and Poland.” Also, need we address director Stephen Spielberg?

Patterns, lots of patterns.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

And you’ve got to have a mind like a steel trap to ferret them out.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Hold on, lads. Before the Zman’s teeth start to grate, there’s an easy way to understand them: They’re smart negros. Literate negros. Vaudevillian, tribal, unself-aware, heedless, narcissistic; pushy, adamant, close-lipped, prone to fantasy and talking about abstracts. In it to grab whatever bag with political schemes, disregarding consequences down the line. Socially and politically acute- Laurence Austin, Maxine Waters, Puffy Combs, and Eric Holder didn’t get where they are based on their knowledge of Shakespeare. They were clever enough in the right ways to play Jevvish gangster games, to be useful. Now, imagine those with white wives, and cream kids… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

I have zero confidence the middle class will ever do anything. I have more faith in the “diverse” inner city than the decadent middle class. They riot regularly. The riots are always about retarded stuff, but at least they riot. They are not benefiting from the order and have no delusions about their own chances of entering the elite. Perhaps I’m being naive’, but I believe if the ruling class had targeted children sexually before WW2, libraries and clubs hosting children’s drag events would have burned to the ground and perhaps some lynchings thrown in for good measure. Now the… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Bad mustache man and his crew burned down the very first center in the world for transsexual surgeries. “But, but… that’s not freedom!”

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

I agree with most of your post. I only downvoted because of you comment, “they are not benefitting from the order.” The current order is MASSIVELY propping blacks up. If we had something closer to resembling meritocracy and accountability for actions, blacks would be even worse off than they are now. Not to mention the fact the welfare state that pays an enormous amount of money for huge swaths of them to stay home.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  The Greek
1 year ago

One – I agree with the sentiment that there is no hope for the middle class. However, I would say that the “native” population is one of the cudgels they wield against the white devil. Imagine, when things actually get really bad, how violent the natives will get. Then, imagine how much the middle class will beg the elites to save them. Actually, this nicely bookends with Z’s post, except I disagree that this will weaken elites. The societal collapse will only INCREASE the subservience most give to the overlords.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Well it’s kind of screwy though: pretend-elected elites causing chaos so that unelected elites can take over? That’s really not a great master plan, not that it isn’t their “master plan” just that…I guess I wouldn’t place a lot of faith in anyone cooking up such a scheme.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

I would argue they already rule (the unelected). I would suggest that they follow the idea of alchemy – to remake society in (their) idealized image, they first have to dissolve it.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Eloi: “Then, imagine how much the middle class will beg the elites to save them.”

You must frequent a different middle class than do I.

Around these here parts, the middle class is @rmed to the teeth, and is chomping at the bit to er@dicate the “natives” and their “elite”.

/PHED-POAST

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

Yeah – like 92 and all the blm riots. And, for the record, I live in possibly the most conservative, whitest, gun toting portion of the country.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

Eloi: “Yeah – like 92 and all the blm riots.” Don’t you think it’s a rather strange coincidence that D@rkie never even dreams of attempting that sh!znat in Redneckville? That D@rkie only throws its simian temper tantrums in the heart of Sh!tlibopolis? Possibly the most terrifyingly thrilling spectacle I’ve ever personally witnessed in muh entire life occurred a few years ago, in the parking lot of Redneck Walmart, when a White woman got into a screaming match with a D@rkie, and then suddenly, as if out of thin air, a small army of 6’3″/6’4″/6’5″ redneck giants coalesced and began moving… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

The reason why it occurs in certain areas, but not others, is law enforcement. Where LE backs the Rednecks, such actions can be taken. Where LE backs the d@rkies, it cannot. Both sides know this (or learn it the hard way).

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Ah, thanks. Eloi just answered my question above about an order of chaos and control.

So, we’ll have one half of the economy watching the other half…and the overseers will be nonwhite.

After Bosnia comes Brazil; after Brazil comes Rhodesia.

So, the limiting factor is non-blacks: they will crack down on blacks, so the overseers can keep their jobs pushing and copying the whites.

Pip McGuigin
Member
Reply to  The Greek
1 year ago

I agree with the Greek. Z said that we couldn’t have a crisis like that again. I submit The Co-19 hoax as refutation of that idea.

Pozymandias
Reply to  The Greek
1 year ago

The problem is that it’s not just the blacks. A substantial portion of the American population is on some form of welfare though often disguised as something else. I my post yesterday I brought up how my former employer was paying pretty much useless cubicle monkeys a quarter million a year tax free to go to Iraq and surf porn sites. That was OK though because it was keeping Saddam’s rusty T-34s from rolling into Des Moines. Most of the current ruling class looks and acts like Adam Schiff or Lindsey Graham and these types have always minced their way… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

I fully agree that the number of people living off government cheese is much, much higher than it would appear looking at official welfare roles. Most of these people impose a cost far more than welfare. Not only do they cost far more money than welfare recipients, they actively damage everything they touch and impose additional costs.

All of this will limp on so long as the money to finance it all is available. When and if it dries up, nobody may know until after it happens.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

Farmers get subsidies, workers get tax credits, etc. The whole rotten society is sucking on the teat, willful or not.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

I don’t see a tax credit as sucking on the teat like a subsidy or a government contract. The tax credit is just giving you back a part of what you already paid.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

In its current form the entire MIC is an enormous stealth welfare program for millions, maybe even tens of millions of Americans.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  The Greek
1 year ago

They are getting benefits to the extent they live in the US and not the DRC or something. Sure, 3 hots and a cot is some level of benefit, but that’s not really what I meant when I said they don’t benefit from the system. Regardless of the welfare benefits and the law going easier on them than other people, they are at the very bottom of society living very unenviable lives. Middle class AA are very much benefiting from the system and go along as much as any White bug woman. It’s usually in a “diverse” way, but the… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

There is most definitely something to be said for vigilantism. At bare minimum, it enforces cultural order when the formal rulers abdicate their responsibility for doing so. When white men forfeited their balls, vigilantism disappeared, and the decadent, depraved and hideous “culture” we see currently is the result.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Tars Tarkas: “Anyone near, but not in the elite is going to go along even more than the middle class.” This gets back to the old PUA concept of “Social Proof”, but I don’t think we have yet agreed on a definition [or even a spectrum of qualities by which to arrive at a definition] via which we can begin to classify the underlying phenomenon. There is a strongly social herd creature personality which is hell-bent on following the herd wherever the herd goes, and when the herd goes lunatic, you have two choices if you wish to survive: 1)… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

“until the great schism of Unitardianism versus Congregationalism destroyed New England”

Excellent point. They got soft and gave up.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

“Perhaps I’m being naive’, but I believe if the ruling class had targeted children sexually before WW2….” The Italians threw one of the Krupps out of their country after he made a habit of ‘staffing’ a resort with little boys for his annual vacation. IIRC I read that in “The Arms of Krupp” by Manchester. Here, a search came up with: “Friedrich (Fritz) Krupp entered the world as the heir to the largest privately owned industry in Germany. … Krupp’s father, Alfred, the Cannon King, had amassed the largest personal fortune in Germany; … However, Krupp himself was to die… Read more »

Severian
1 year ago

There are points in history where the historian simply throws up his hands in despair. Look at Europe from about 1890 to 1913, and you’re forced to confront the idea that they had a death wish. A thesis like that violates all the canons of scholarship, but… there it is. Fully acknowledging the mechanical nature of interlocking alliances, and making all due allowance for hindsight and confirmation bias, nothing other than “they had a death wish” really brings home the baffling stupidity of it all. These were serious, intelligent, well educated men — Kaiser Wilhelm II was the dumbest of… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

“You can never prove it with the historian’s tools, and it’s too sensationalistic to believe, and yet… there it is. Nothing else really makes sense.” It is a great shame that many historians do indeed wish to make things far more complicated than they actually are. But then again, this is a hallmark of academia: anything but the most likely and obvious explanation. It is a doubly great shame that historians of this day and age don’t even seem to use the tools they have at their disposal. I’m reading George H. Stein’s excellent The Waffen SS: Hitler’s Elite Guard… Read more »

Chimeral
Chimeral
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

The Stein book was considered the go to reference when my ass was in a seat in academia many moons ago. Also, Bullock’s Hitler book — on the mandatory reading list as per the professor of History.

Severian
Reply to  Chimeral
1 year ago

This is why you go with “gentlemen amateurs” whenever possible — since they’re not grubbing for tenure (or faced with the prospect of eternal harassment from the crazy cat ladies in the faculty), they can let their freak flags fly and actually indulge in some speculation about how people might’ve actually behaved. For instance, I’ve read two biographies of Heinrich Himmler (just to stick with a theme), one by Peter Longerich, one by Peter Padfield. Longerich is a widely lauded professor; Padfield is (I believe) a retired naval officer. Both are good, but Padfield’s is better, because he’s a “gentleman… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

> Same thing now. The Western elite have all joined a suicide cult. You can never prove it with the historian’s tools, and it’s too sensationalistic to believe, and yet… there it is. People like to state the rise of mustache man was due to mass psychosis of the population. However, if one looks at the happenings in the country and their existential threats, their reasons for elevating him was the pinnacle or reason compared to our current leaders. The internet age and being a sole world power has created clueless zombies embedded in simulacrum. With natural selection pressures not… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

They say that about the Bad Mustache Man, but that’s far more a function of modern neurosis than historical fact. Historically speaking, the Mustache Man’s rise isn’t even all that remarkable. It took some luck, and some big swinging brass ones, but so do most things of that nature (in the rise of any historical figure, if it isn’t a combo of “big brass ones” and “dumb luck,” it’s only because it’s ALL dumb luck). The Bolshevik Revolution was orders of magnitude more improbable. But saying “Mustache Man’s rise is easily explicable” entails that Mustache Man actually had a case,… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

I have read most of the Flashman books and his, Flash’s, view of history was just that plus added bits of having a bad day, mad at the wife and just plain childishness. I don’t remember all the specifics or what book but I think that pretty well covers it.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

I know of no more fun and entertaining introduction to the history of the British empire

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

A book that made the most sense of WWI to me was short one that gave a history of the Ottoman Empire from their defeat at Vienna to WWI. Due to it’s brevity the pacing developed a rhythm where seemingly every other generation their was some huge conflagration based around some forgotten dispute. This actually backs your point up though as during that time period everyone in Europe was probably thinking “Welp, guess it’s war time again!”, just a great resignation to their fate, which, yeah…

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

One of the best books about the run-up to WW I is Robert Massie’s Dreadnought. It’s more than a naval history, going into the elites of the time and just the seemingly inevitable road to war.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Death wish alright- for everyone else. Their stupidity/hubris is believing they can come out the other side unscathed.

AntiDem
AntiDem
1 year ago

Chaos and Control, you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITsnaZdcso

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

I kept thinking about “Get Smart” too. Maybe those show writers were really aware and trying to tell us something.

Gman
Gman
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

You missed it by *that* much….

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

“They thrash around looking for some great crisis to serve the same role as the Cold War, but that was a unique period in human history.”

Was it though? China vs the GAE appears to be shaping up as cold war or even hot war 2.0. However, it is certainly possible that America is just too decadent to fight such a hot or cold war effectively.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

That’s the problem for our elite. It’s hard to drum up much patriotic fervor against China. They have no desire to physically threaten us, and they have no ideology that they’re trying to export.

At least with the Muslims, you could point to 9/11 and other acts of terrorism. China just hangs out on its side of the world.

America doesn’t know what to do with itself when they’re not a threat.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

“China is not exporting anything other than cheap products.”

Heh.

Don’t forget it’s main export: it’s people. I’m beginning to lose count of the number of unexpected Chinese enclaves I see in the most unlikely places.

Telling was my trip to Sydney in the 2010s. Our flight was one of seven arriving. The other six were from China. For a mile from the airport, huge buildings were being built. The promotional billboards were all in… Chinese/Mandarin/Nectarine, whatever their language is called.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

Orange Frog: You beat me to it. China doesn’t need to invade militarily – it can accomplish its goals much more easily via massive emigration and – due to the regrettably common problem of yellow fever – sexual subornment. There are lot more people with ‘dual loyalty’ than just the double-passport holders in congress. And, as you note, they have settled massively in Australia. Over a million in Canada. Millions in the US. Close to half a million in Italy. Good to hear from you, by the way. Did you know that, per a survey, the ‘brits’ want more immigrant… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I wonder which “Brits” they were?!

I hope You and Yours are well. God bless.

Boris
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Hey, 3g – the latest Vdare rundown of B-on-W murders is out. 37 in Dec. Zero W-on-B, that was of course prior to the guy in Houston who emptied his clip into the jogger trying to rob that Taqueria last week.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

The Australians also went full Chinese tyranny during the Wuhan Holocough. It wasn’t a coincidence.

I would posit that China exports a system that involves a one party state, mass censorship, with a quasi-free market to pay for it all.

China is the flowering of a mature fascist dictatorship.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

“I would posit that China exports a system that involves a one party state, mass censorship, with a quasi-free market to pay for it all.”

Possibly the ideology Mr. Z Man is looking for, above?

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

“I would posit that China exports a system that involves a one party state, mass censorship, with a quasi-free market to pay for it all.” So the United States? China wouldn’t be where it is without Nixon going over and “opening” it to the west. Remember the early 2000’s when .gov would pound the table about China’s currency and how it wasn’t worth enough vs the dollar and they were going to do something? What did they ever do about that? Hell i remember rumors in the 90’s via the clintons and china. China and the united states are mirrors… Read more »

theRussians
theRussians
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
1 year ago

Chinese, or any other diversity will achieve the (possible) goal of breaking down of the institutions… making sure that there is nothing that binds communities or values. In the chaos, perhaps they will offer “more” with some serious and necessary compromise, personal and societal.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

China’s ideology, that it’s exporting very effectively is that International Relations should be a win-win game.
The contrast to the failed unipolar moment “Because I said so” approach of the US is increasingly broadly accepted.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

It seems like China’s ideology is the Wilson/FDR/Netanyahu totalitarian state that they erected without having to engage in lies and subversion and subtle shifts for a century because of The Founders and The Constitution. Though, Netanyahu would at least close the border and desire a single people to rule over. By Trudeau’s and Schwab’s statements and actions they want to import China’s social structure. I think the entire elite does too. The last obstacle is that pesky population of people who have a bloodline and bond to the origin story as well as the Faustian and Apollonian spirit in their… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Now it is AINO that has an ideology and a zealotry very much reminiscent of the Bolsheviks. But whereas Marxist-Leninism was opposed by free enterprise, there is nothing, save perhaps Mohammedanism, standing in the way anti-white liberal democracy.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

It’s not “ideology” so much as it is the Chinese not going along with the GAE and is sending signals it plans on opposing the GAE directly. Taiwan is one potential flashpoint.

China has our universities packed with Confucius centers the way the Soviets had communist groups set up in universities back then.

Given that we are different races and race is a major fault line in the US, opposing these Confucius centers will be even more difficult than the communist ones in yesteryear. The howls of racism will be deafening.

RedBeard
RedBeard
1 year ago

Most systems have natural limits and I wonder what will finally collapse our ruling elite. Will they be like a dying star that expands and cools while desperately trying to smash less idea elements together for fusion before collapse into a brown dwarf (pun intended). Or maybe they’re downfall will be a germ or a bit of code someone was able to run in a subprogram unbeknownst to the main program. Or maybe they won’t reproduce and will simply run out of stock. In either case I plan to be around for the “I survived” t-shirt.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Not to see Jews everywhere, but you can’t look at America in the late 20th and early 21th century without discussing their influence and later dominance over the political and cultural systems. Much of the turmoil and changes of the 1960s and beyond was based on Jewish ideas, money and organization. Minority rights was always a Jewish goal, as they view themselves as the ultimate minority. Immigration was pushed by Jews because they feel more comfortable and safe in a multi-racial country where they don’t stand out as much. Coincidence or not, Jewish consolidation of political and cultural power coincided… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

I have a nonprovable hypothesis that the 20th century was a kind of anomaly and contingent on certain things like the old production code. So it gave the tribe the ability to create a golden age of movies as well as music (probably a majority of hit songs before the Beatles were written by them).

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

Bernie Madoff, Adam Nuemann (you guys don’t remember WeWork?) and Sam Bankman Fried all have two things in common.

5.5 million in a country of 330 million but probably hold over 50% of positions of power in both the private and public sector. Does make you wonder. Also the fact that you aren’t allowed to criticize them, yes, does make you really wonder.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

It never ends, though i’m not sure if i should be mad or cheering her on:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jpmorgan-tricked-paying-175-million-startup-millions-fake-customers-bank-claims

Can’t find any background info on her but i’d be willing to place a bet.

Woodpecker
Woodpecker
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

University of Tel Aviv

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

well, their biggest mistake (from their perspective) was importing their replacements. both the chinks and the pajeets are replacing the hebes all over the place.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I agree. If they’d just stuck with Mexicans and Central Americans, they could have continued to run a Mexico or Brazil-like America.

The Indians, especially, are pushing hard to grab power. Asians to a lesser degree. Regardless, both groups are very away of the tribe and can’t be mentally bullied, though they certainly are aware of the tribe power – for now.

B125
B125
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Many of the “white” CEOs being replaced by magical Hindus are actually “”white””.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

“The trouble is the people behind this stuff already have money and power. In fact, they have more money and power than any ruling elite in human history. Western elites, especially the American elites, make the aristocracy of 18th century France look poor and impotent. Clearly, the motivation behind this behavior is not money or power… “Meanwhile, the agents of chaos and control explore the outer limits of their sociopathy.” The latter negates the former since sociopathy/control is or seeks power, no? The question isn’t really “how much is too much?” The question is can there ever be enough. The… Read more »

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Enough is never enough for whom enough is not enough.

God is their standard. “Yeah, i want that much.” Somebody had to be God, yes?

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Outstanding, Jack. Yes, all wars are about money, power, and sometimes sex. That is why we all crave it to some degree or other, and we will use it if we attain it. Some of us will be corrupted by it if we accrue more than we can handle. The other thing we are seeing now are the froots of liberal political doctrine. When they fight in the political arena they operate on wedge issues to divide and conquer their adversaries. It’s second nature to them and always in play. Welp…we are thoroughly and hopelessly divided now. The Dissidents themselves… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

The dissent thoroughly rattled the collaborators. The guy from Alabama (name not recalled, doesnt’ matter) and Eyepatch McCain’s terrorist verbiage are signs of their increasing emotional incontinence. That they became that angry over what was always going to be an inconsequential speed bump of resistance shows how frightened they have become.

They became traitors and now face the possibility that their masters are incompetent morons who will lose. They feel the noose of justice around their necks.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

When dissidents become mainstream, will they be able to stop?

Unlike their oppressors, who have no limiting factor.

imbroglio
imbroglio
1 year ago

The non-elite are complicit when it comes to divide and rule. Groups on their way up seek to climb over the group(s) on the next highest rung and, in that effort, to ally with the elite. The rich and the poor ally against the middle. The model predicts conflict between Blacks and Latinos, progressive whites and Asians and cis- v. trans-. It may partially explain the willingness of progressive whites to cashier the deplorable whites. I’d look for an emerging alliance between the American elite and what emerges as the pan-Asian elite with the American elite minding the resource rich… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  imbroglio
1 year ago

The Jews, Chinese, WASPs, and East Indians will all team together and…do…something. Again, not very well thought out, they’re using “divide and conquer” against themselves.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

The chaos element seems to have accelerated from the smelly hippies from the summer of love 1968 to a more crazed version of chaos in 2023. The control element has advanced into full on censorship and control of the citizens using all the available new high tech of the modern age. How and when will our elite run into that wall? My guess about the how part will involve the Federal Reserve and debt or a war that requires those young midwesterners and southerners to fight for the elites and all that they will have is a hollowed out diversity,… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

“The chaos element seems to have accelerated from the smelly hippies from the summer of love 1968 to a more crazed version of chaos in 2023.” I remember my own parents and the father of my ex-wife emphasizing that there really weren’t that many hippies relative to the population at that time and that the hippies weren’t representative of the people of the time. It seemed important to them to make this point to me. The hippies were praised and promoted. But by whom and why? Control of the media is everything. But controlled by whom and what are the… Read more »

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

A far bigger demographic was the American teen of the post hippie era who had some residual elements of it (long hair, pot smoking) but otherwise part of mainstream American culture. Think of a movie like dazed and confused

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Even today I still see the astroturfed Occupy “movement” brought up by the msm as if it was a big thing. When the truth is it was nothing, did nothing, accomplished nothing, and was fairly small in terms of participants. The Tea Party was a big thing. The Tea Party eventually gave us Pres. Trump. But both then and now, the msm would have you believe Occupy was the more consequential of the two.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Jeffrey, your Tea Party reference reminds me of my activist paleocon days in San Fran. We could get a crowd of about 50 to protest. The general public *hated* us, although not as much as they would hate the anti-illegal immigration protests that I would organize a few years later. They would insult us, flip us off, and sneer at the older people, “you say you’re against big government but you’re living on social security!” Good times.

Cwenhild
Cwenhild
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

I just finished reading Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by David McGowan about the music and movie scene in Laurel Canyon in the 60s. Basically, just about everyone in that scene was from a military intelligence/old money background. It was NOT organic.

Can recommend Jay Dyer’s Esoteric Hollywood as well.

David Wright
Member
1 year ago

Racist roads and overpasses, banning of gas stoves, $7 eggs, it’s all so random and deflects from the real destruction they are committing.

Anyone else think the ,notice to air mission, system used by airlines that crashed might just be a cyber attack. One of many types that will become more common in the future. With limp wristed woke retareded millennials overseeing us and our infrastructure, why should we worry.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

A cyber attack would be a blessing. The scarier issue might be that competency in software development has completely degraded to the point we’re no longer able to maintain complex systems. And no, AI will not save us if that’s the case.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Bingo! The problem with the supposition of “cyber attack” leveled in all these cases of failure is “why”. If I detected an enemy weakness, why would I expose such knowledge to them? I’d note it and keep it “on the shelf” for any future conflict.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Shutting down commercial air travel is more of an economic attack that you do leading up to the real conflict. I suspect the animal flu outbreaks on farming have been of a similar nature, i.e. economic biowarfare: we infect the Chinese farms with bird flu so they have to kill all their chickens, then either the Russians or Chinese did it back to us to produce the current egg shortage.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Or it’s just some sort of test. How hard is it to shut down and restart all air traffic. Last time, 911, took a couple weeks. Much more efficient this time

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Whitney
1 year ago

Whitney,

Part of the restart was clamping on the fetters of the new security state. That took a little time, but allowing the optimal restart of the air transit system ran at cross purposes to this original example of lock-down, one of the main, if not THE main purpose of which was the institutionalization government-mandated fear among the populace.

Good things take time…

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

They liked how that worked so well toward their purposes that it has been a continual succession of similar flim flams ever since. I needn’t list them, as you can identify them and trace the course of their implementations yourself.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

What gets called AI *is* unmaintanable complexity. An example that matters more than you’d think: YouTube’s recommendation/promotion/censorship rules—”the algorithm”—are a product of “machine learning.” The code is indecipherable. They have no idea how it’s decided to work. When it goes astray and starts, e.g., banning tranny leftists because they say so many of the same words a bunch of banned conservatives have said, YT can’t cleanly roll it back—not because it’s not possible, but for fear of it permanently un-learning some subtle way it’s invented to thwart viewer curiosity. A friend of mine got a “community strike” a few weeks… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Hemid
1 year ago

Gustav Mahler’s Das Lied von der Erde, no doubt.

Wow.

Look out, Schubert, the “Don’t be evil” juggernaut is coming for you. Soon enough, Gretchen am Spinrad will get cancelled, along with great swathes of your works.

Honk, honk.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Apparently the issue was a corrupt file. The solution was a reboot or required a reboot, and the reboot didn’t succeed. We weren’t there, but it isn’t hard to imagine that some guys offshore maintain the code and the system and the method was, “What is the problem? We think it is a corrupt file. How do we fix it? I don’t know. Okay. Let’s just remove the file and reboot.” Then the scramble was on for a last known good backup where some critical manifest file was not corrupted. Who knows. A lot of necks are going to need… Read more »

Moss
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Even the idea of our People “going Galt” is laughable now. The reinforcement loop driving competent people, mostly White men, out the System means Western Society is Galting (yes, a new verb) itself.
A true collapse of tech might possibly expose the trend lines to the sheep.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

$9 a dozen here. I’ve contemplated buying whole cartons and selling “loosies” out in front of the grocery store

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

David Wright: Could easily have been a cyberattack. Could also, just as easily or simultaneously, have been diverse incompetence given the people ‘in charge’ – FAA Administrator, Billy Nolan, jogger Deputy Administrator, Bradley Mims, jogger Person specifically in charge of NOTAMs (the system that failed), Shamekia Moser, jogger I also noticed the timely placement yesterday of an article at the Daily Mail warning that the US power grid was ‘physically attacked’ more than 100 times in 2022, and that ‘domestic terrorists’ are planning on further attacks. So, you see, it’s really quite simple: Evil wypipo want to destroy the electric… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Wow! I thought Operation Jogger was coming next as part of usurping the cockpits. Looks like the control tower was long since filled with people who jog in baggy jeans and Timberlands.

Seems like the day is fast approaching where we will adopt diversity is good as a platform if only to get a few track suit and tennies joggers into critical positions.

In the meantime major airlines are scouring Compton for pilots.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Wow! I thought Operation Jogger was coming next as part of usurping the cockpits. Looks like the control tower was long since filled with people who jog in baggy jeans and Timberlands.

Seems like the day is fast approaching where we will adopt diversity is good as a platform if only to get a few track suit and tennies joggers into critical positions.

In the meantime major airlines are scouring Compton for pilots.

btw, is this Ms. Moser and her Husband? https://www.zola.com/wedding/moser/wedding_party

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
1 year ago

As someone once said, the true history of the 1960’s has yet to be written. It was a fake “revolution” from above, a coup within the ruling elite, a KGB op, a CIA op, a reaction to the coming of the birth control pill and antibiotics, a Jewish power play, a weaponized crime wave, and a lot of other things, all happening at the same time. It’s no wonder that our current elites are a confused mess, the period that brought them to power was as well.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Altitude Zero
1 year ago

I just finished reading a book called chaos by Tom O’Neil. Google the name Jolly West. His name keeps showing up on a lot of 60s hijinks

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

Interesting. This West guy was, it seems, a CIA psychologist who also was an anti-death penalty activist, a supporter of the Civil Rights Revolution, and a guy who defended accused traitors using psychobabble. So much for the CIA as a hotbed of right-wing extremists. The distance between “a KGB op” and “a CIA op” may not be as wide as we think…

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  Altitude Zero
1 year ago

Although to be honest, it doesn’t look like the CIA’s “Operation Chaos” ever really came to much. Most CIA operations didn’t, TBH. Generally, the CIA just stood around looking cool, drinking too much, cutting checks to the wrong people, and taking credit for anything good that happened on their watch. Yeah, even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while, but most of the CIA’s targets, like Mossedegh and Allende, had pissed so many people off that they were pretty much bound to be overthrown no matter what the CIA did. Other Deep State agencies were, and are,… Read more »

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

In the movie “Oblivion” an alien race conquers Earth and then utilizes clones modeled on “the best of us” to act as the cops/enforcers of the new alien-loving society that they impose. This scheme is now playing out in real life. The elites within the Citadel require protection in the event that a collapse unleashes brutal retribution. They rely on “good men” serving as LEOs or National Guard to provide this protection, and even though these men come from common stock (read dirt people status), they perform their duty out of habit and a residual sense of personal integrity. This… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

> But sadly, the elites will work their ass off in order to pit patriots against LEOs in a war of mutual annihilation, kill off as many alphas as possible, and pave the way for the arrival of the Jackboots. The rhetoric of the right isn’t “Shoot the pigs” as much as “do not comply and make their life hard”. The boomer-waffen who smoked the robber went to the police for questioning with his lawyer, which still isn’t ideal but far better than what most right wingers would do ten years ago, who would go to the cops without a… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

“They simply don’t have the resources to go full J6 FBI on every dissident.”

Underestimating the resources and will of the government, and the compliance of the majority of the population has gotten many a dissident in trouble in the past. It’s always good to reread Solzhenitsyn for perspective.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

Oblivion? You seem to be describing a different movie than the Tom Cruise one I saw. Basically, Cruise is a clone, yes, whose job is to hunt down earth survivors, yes, while the earth is drained of water. Cruise is not the best of the best, but just a human astronaut the aliens happened upon on their way to invade/conquer earth. The aliens are really not elites ruling humans. Humans are simply the human survivors left over from the invasion and Cruise is useful in the continuing mop up effort (as in suppression) while earth’s resources are plundered. The aliens… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

In the movie, the character played by Morgan Freeman uses the line “the best of us” to describe the Tom Cruise character. Last I checked, you have to be top notch to become an astronaut.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

i have seen that movie a couple of times and Compsci’s description is accurate, while yours is wildly off. you are arguing with reality.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Wait, the aliens are stealing water? That stuff that entire moons in the outer solar system are made of? Or all those comets that you don’t have to pull out of a strong gravitational field?

People who don’t know about space should be punished.

NateG
NateG
1 year ago

I believe our elites are not like panda bears but rats, constantly evolving and finding some dark corner to scurry into for self preservation. They really aren’t intelligent and as the world is changing it’s becoming harder for them to find that rat hole to hide in. The Ukraine war is a good example. It was dumb to get involved by initiating the coup, but as I mentioned before these elites are not very smart. They have a deep hatred for Russians and underestimated them, as they do all other peoples. They actually believe the meme of the dumb, drunk… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  NateG
1 year ago

When you start shipping money around in round deca-billions, there is a lot of opportunity. Doesn’t it make Dementia Joe’s reference to the withholding the $1b loan seem quaint?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  NateG
1 year ago

May I quibble with your animal analogies. Rats are intelligent, inventive, and affectionate. They know how to survive and will share the world with cockroaches when everything else has died off. Now I’ve never been faced with a hungry rat wanting to gnaw my face off in a back alley, but I’ve had pet rats, and they are wonderful animals. Pandas are stupid and pampered creatures who would have the good sense to become extinct were it not for the Chinese and American obsession with them. They do nothing of value. They only roll around and eat bamboo…in fact, they… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

Learned more about pandas today than I ever would have expected.

Curious Monkey
Curious Monkey
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

Heavens! Every day another boomer truth has to fall. I never noticed that Panda worshipping was another of these inversions that abound in our post Christianity times. Now I would make my mission to kill Pandas if I have the means LOL. But seriously, the red pill has not ended. This article has dismantled my view of the 60s-80s from a tumultuous time where rights were being fought for to just another psyop (Chaos and Control were the agencies of the Get Smart show so they even confess their modus op). The worst thought is that this new theory makes… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Curious Monkey
1 year ago

“The only consolation is that humanity is truly a peaceful species”. what planet are you living on?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

A mutual friend introduced me to Dave McGowan several years before he passed. The guy acted agitated and was unpleasant at times but was very interesting otherwise. He seemed to think I was goofing on him when a joke or two fell flat and it was obvious he wanted the floor to himself. McGowan died a few years later from cancer. I don’t know whether that was what caused him to be occasionally irritable at dinner that night. The mutual friend said he tended to be edgy. Dunno. Still interesting to have met him. McGowan even commented negatively on how… Read more »

mikeski
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

They also are extremely picky about sex. They will not procreate unless the conditions are EXACTLY right

Sigh. I went out with her in college.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  mikeski
1 year ago

We’ve all been panda’d at one time or another.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

“Pandas are stupid and pampered creatures who would have the good sense to become extinct were it not for the Chinese and American obsession with them.”

Never thought of it that way! Begs the question: how natural is the panda? How long have humans supported them, removed selection pressure? Yet still the symbol of the WWF lol. Clown world clowns on.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

how much does a panda fluffer get paid?

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

You know they say the journey is its own reward.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  NateG
1 year ago

“I believe our elites are not like panda bears but rats, constantly evolving and finding some dark corner to scurry into for self preservation. They really aren’t intelligent and as the world is changing it’s becoming harder for them to find that rat hole to hide in.”

Agreed. A stupid elite is a dangerous one. Ours is even worse because the idiocy is accompanied by impulsiveness. These feminized buffoons could stumble into nuclear war very easily.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
1 year ago

“An elite incapable of self-limit” combined with a generational devolution similar to the Hapsburgs. On scale.

Member
1 year ago

Time for elite replacement

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  FNC1A1
1 year ago

Time for elite replacement? No. REMOVAL.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tired Citizen
1 year ago

You can’t remove the elite—as in “eliminate”. People are not able as a whole to self govern. Inevitably, one “elite” is replaced by another. Never seen it any other way. It’s in man’s nature to be ruled by his “betters”. Only relief one can hope for is to reduce centralized authority and what is considered “normative” wrt rule by elite. However, even that requires a populace that is used to being self reliant. That went away long ago, so we are screwed.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 year ago

Worldly power is just more mammon. Power makes money, money makes power. Recalling, you can’t serve two masters, and we know who’s the prince of this world.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

That said, in the world but not of it. It’s a fine needle to thread. That’s the mystery of life, the cause of much spiritual suffering, and many bad ideas, imo. Also why I think life is the cross. We’re all commissioned to deal with this thing without being consumed by it. Even if irreligious, there’s there natural impulse of life to thrive in a hostile and constantly changing environment. FWIW