Who Says?

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There is a famous line from Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov in which one of the characters asserts that if God does not exist, then everything is permitted. This has been resaid many ways and attributed to many people, but the original is from Dostoevsky, the great Russian novelist. For most of human history, the answer to the question, “Who says?” has been God, maybe the gods or perhaps a holy man who everyone agrees has some connection to the gods.

When someone said you should not do something, that question, “Who says?” was baked into the statement, along with its answer. You should not speak ill of the gids because the gods will exact revenge on you or maybe the authorities, fearing the wrath of the gods, will punish you. The answer to the question of who says you should or should not do something was always the same. it was some concept of the supernatural or its manifestation in the natural world.

In modern times, we do not appeal to the gods. You should not drive your car recklessly in a school zone because the government says you should not do that, and they have men with guns to arrest you if you do it. The answer to the question, “Who says I cannot speed in a school zone?” is the government. Every prohibition in our lives comes with an assumed answer to the question, “Who says?” That answer is almost always the government or its agents.

The government is not a god or claims connection to the gods, no matter what the politicians have to say about it, so who says they have the authority to decide how fast you can drive and where you can do it? In theory, it is we, the people, who decide these things through the democratic process. We created government and the process by which men hold power and they make the laws. The answer to the question, “Who says I cannot speed in a school zone?” is us, the people.

Of course, it does not stop there. If the government enacted a rule that says you must beep your horn when you see an orange-colored vehicle, no one would be satisfied with the answer “the government says you must do it.” It is a stupid rule and people would want more than that as an answer. In fact, some people might argue that the law is invalid because it requires people to do what they would otherwise would not do and for no reason that can be deemed in the best interest of the people.

In other words, the horn beeping law would fail to satisfy the question of “Who says?” because there has to be something more than just “because we say so” as an answer in order to satisfy the question. In the case of speeding around school zones, the real answer to the question is the safety of children. We prohibit reckless behavior around schools because we value the lives of our children. More important, we feel compelled to protect the safety of children.

Instead of something ridiculous like beeping the horn when you see an orange-colored car, pretend the law says you cannot teach women to read. The argument is that once women learn to read, we end up in the Aristophanes cycle. That is a good and valid reason for the law, but some would argue that it is more wrong to deny women the basic rights nature grants all people. Women have a natural right to exercise their minds by learning to read and using that knowledge to improve their lives.

What the critics of the prohibition on female literacy are saying is that it is not enough that the laws reflect the general will and have a practical purpose. There is some universal standard of justice against which the laws are measured. The horn beeping law is not just invalid because it is ridiculous. It is invalid because it unjustly compels people to act for no reason other than the state has the power to force them to beep their horns whenever they see an orange car.

A more serious way to think about this is with the waves of laws being pushed by Republicans regarding prohibited speech and thoughts. It is the official policy of the Republican Party that you should not think poorly of Israel, and you should not be permitted to criticize Israel. In fact, Republicans now think the one group of foreigners that should be deported are critics of Israel. The question they are never asked is, “Who says we should ban criticism of Israel?”

Most people would say it is rude to say mean things about Jews or Israelis, just as it is rude to make fun of fat people or homosexuals. No one suggests we deport people for telling jokes about fat people. In other words, there must be some other reason for the extraordinary emphasis on being rude to Israelis. It cannot simply be that we have all agreed that it is wrong. If there is no reason given, then it must be assumed that no reason exists, so there is no answer to the question.

Obviously, everyone knows the answer here. The massive Israeli lobby is bribing these people to pass these laws. Marco Rubio owes his political career, and thus his luxurious lifestyle, to a Zionist billionaire car dealer named Norman Braman. Rubio has been in the pocket of the neocons his entire career. Most Republican officials have a similar backstory, so this is why they want to strip what remains of your speech rights and ban large swaths of the Christian Bible.

None of that changes the basic problem. This crusade against anti-Zionism and antisemitism have to answer the same question that all prohibitions must answer, which is “Who says?” Being anti-Zionist might be viewed as rude to Jewish people and anti-Zionist are often rude to everyone in their presentations, but whoever says they must be muzzled must answer the question, “Who says?” Who says these people must be silenced and by whose authority are they being silenced?

This is a long trip to the basic question that lies at the heart of the current crisis and that is the question of authority. In the anti-Zionism debate, the problem is the same as with the horn blowing example. The answer to the question of “Who says?” is “the government says so” but that is not adequate because who says the government has the right to police your opinions? The only possible answer to that question is us, the people, and no such authority has been granted.

The question of authority always resolves to two possible answers, which is the collective will or the supernatural. The natural rights crowd will say the authority is nature, arrived at by reason, but that is just a way of blaming God while pretending he is no longer around. Once God is removed from the set of possible answers to the question “Who says?” we are left with our collective will, which means whomever we choose to be the final authority.

In the end, the response to all new demands for censorship and prohibitions against thoughts or actions must be “Who says?” Who decided that being rude to Jewish people is the worst sin? When was this decided? Who says we have to pretend crime is not what it is? Unless and until the scolds can answer these basic questions of authority, they have no legitimacy. An unjust prohibition is no prohibition at all, but merely an invitation to social conflict to the benefit of outsiders.


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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
22 days ago

There seems to be some backpedaling from Congress with claims this somehow isn’t a law but “advisory.” That’s nonsense, but it shows there is pushback. There is no doubt this “advisory law” will sail through the Senate and “Biden” will allow it to become law. Courts may or may not strike it down. People indeed will suffer needlessly because of this madness. The problem, particularly for Republicans, is what has been seen cannot be unseen. These clowns have denounced cancel culture, safe spaces and other such abominations for year, yet have codified the very worst aspects of all of those.… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

What’s it say about the Jews when they feel they need a law to force people to like them?

Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

They don’t want a law to force people to like them. They enjoy forcing other people to humiliate themselves and do their bidding. That’s the really funny part to them, rubbing people’s noses in shit like a bad dog just because they can.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Pickle Rick
22 days ago

No, they’re just extremely paranoid due to the events of the 1940s. Honestly, I can’t blame them. Armenians have had a similar feeling since 1915 – and look at the ethnic cleansing that just happened in Ngorno Karabakh.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

But paranoia can be paranoia of convenience, too. Hence, it can be used as a tool to get what you want. I don’t think most Finkels imagine a new Treblinka is going up outside of Scarsdale, but acting as though they do sure does generate a lot of benefits for them. Until it doesn’t…

compsci
compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

You’ve a point there. Seems to work for our Black population and their never ending reference of slavery and racism to *excuse* their poor showing as human beings.

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Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

No. Half my family is Jews. They just hate you and want to hurt you. “Paranoia” is their public excuse. They don’t believe it. They don’t think they’re neurotic, traumatized, etc. They efface themselves like that to mock you. They think you’re not human and you’re not owed the truth about anything. They think I’m not human because my father is blond. The Ashkenazi identity is psychotic hatred of other European people (and loser Jews). It has no other contents.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

Z: “Marco Rubio owes his political career, and thus his luxurious lifestyle, to a Zionist billionaire car dealer named Norman Braman. Rubio has been in the pocket of the neocons his entire career.

ACKSHUALLY, it goes even deeper than that with Marco…

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It’s not a coincidence that Marco Rubio and Jack “Ruby” Rubenstein have effectively the same cognomen.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bourbon
22 days ago

Truth. A cigar is never just a cigar.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

Yep. The Talmud pretty much confirms what they think of you goyim.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Xman
21 days ago

Yes, the Talmud is an encyclopedia of hatred for the Goyim…whom they have been enslaving since they got the Pope’s permission 1600 years ago….

jo blo
jo blo
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

who says?

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

Maybe they should have their own homeland and go there.

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

Oh, like the homosexuals?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Jack Dobson
21 days ago

The law is blatantly unConstitutional, and my response to anyone who thinks I can’t criticize Israel, a parasitic entity currently involved in massacring women and children, is Molon Labe….I’m an attorney, and I’ll be happy to defend myself in court…

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  pyrrhus
21 days ago

unConstitutiona”

I hate to break the news…

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Jack Dobson
21 days ago

One would think by now this rusty, dull old saw would be relegated to the scrap pile in the woodshed, but the fact that it is so often brought out reveals the unbridgeable chasm between dissidents and normiecons.

Maxda
Maxda
22 days ago

When I see these kinds of nearly unenforceable laws, I believe they’ll just be used as lawfare when necessary. Only select political enemies will get prospected with these laws, not the conspiracy theorist (realist) in the black neighborhood.

Unconstitutional of course, but since they’ll only be used on select enemies, it will take them years and financial ruin to get them overturned

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Maxda
22 days ago

The “law” in question is enforceable only at colleges/universities in the same way that they have their Title IX kangaroo courts for sexual assault, which are used to expel the one found “guilty,” but do not involve criminal charges. Same thing here, except the charges are “antisemitism,” instead of sexual assault. This law is not designed to bring criminal charges, either against students or anyone else. Private citizens are not (yet) in danger of being criminally charged with antisemitism.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Similar to the 100% effective jab, which had no side effects, that you were totally free not to take?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

Of course. Yet there still persists a misconception that this bill makes it illegal to criticize hebrews, which is not true. And this silly notion is out there in the dissident sphere that this entire campus brouhaha that’s going on was engineered to expedite this 5 page bill which doesn’t criminalize anything. The brouhaha was indeed engineered and astroturfed, but I’m pretty sure for larger reasons than that.

Bob Loblaw
Bob Loblaw
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Thank God you’re here to reassure us that we’re getting all worked up over nothing. Whew. Sometimes I watch the teevee and listen to weeks and weeks of propaganda for Israel and Judaism and transgenderism and homosexuality and abortion out of every media and educational and cultural institution in the West and think, wow, maybe I should be concerned that my opinions on this might be a problem for me if I contradict all of these signals. But they won’t! I’ll be free to express myself, that’s what the point of the Antisemitism Awareness Act is, there’s nothing to worry… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Bob Loblaw
22 days ago

“They should call it the Free Speech Act, actually.”

I’m surprised they didn’t. Usually they give bills names exactly the opposite from what they really do, like the infamous “Affordable Care Act.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

And no one in the United States was forced to take the Covid vaccine. All you had to do was lose your job, ability to travel, congregate with fellow citizens, engage in free enterprise, etc. But your freedom of bodily integrity was *never* abridged!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

My employer almost mandated it. Thank God enough of us made it clear we’d walk. They didn’t mandate, and the Cruella de Vil-wannabe HR lady who went around surveying everybody’s vaxx status soon resigned 😃

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Paintersforms: “My employer almost mandated it. Thank God enough of us made it clear we’d walk. They didn’t mandate, and the Cruella de Vil-wannabe HR lady who went around surveying everybody’s vaxx status soon resigned

Without doxxing yourself, can you give us a little bit of demographic background concerning the Chads [and the Staceys?] who held their ground in this matter?

Again, without doxxing yourself.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Bourbon
22 days ago

Mainly blue collar. White guys and Puerto Ricans, machinists and machine operators. Machine shop was especially strong. Didn’t hear of any resistance in the office.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Mine did. I found a new gig, but a lot of folks weren’t so fortunate. They have much to answer for.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  BadThinker
21 days ago

Confession. I got piss’d mightily one Saturday and spend the whole afternoon (of course, no where to go–all closed down) on the computer with Photoshop software and duplicated a CDC card with the vaccine record. I had the benefit of a real card issued to a friend to copy. When done there was no discernible difference. No one I showed the cards to could detect the forgery. Never needed it for travel, but the exercise left me greatly satisfied.

Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

The government only forced hapless Whites to accept Negroes into their daughters’ schools at bayonet point because they really, really wanted the Negroes to enjoy quality education. Yet there still persists a misconception that we’re all gonna have n****ers crammed down our throats 24/7.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

The slippery slope is not a fallacy. All too often, it is very real.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

This is an excellent quote. I will appropriate and utilize in my own life.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

That’s racist!

Steve
Steve
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

Exactly! What about East Asians makes them slippery?

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

In my experience, most slippery slopes become precipitous very quickly

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

I shouldn’t have to tell anyone that we were already on the slippery slope long before this bill was introduced. And in that context, this bill doesn’t grease it up very much, relatively speaking. You were already in danger of being expelled from school if you said “Jews Bad.” As indeed a number of the protesters already have been.

All I’m saying here is that it’s a silly notion that these protests were engineered to pass this bill. Which should be apparent to anyone who reads all 5 large print pages of it. But they definitely were engineered. For something.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

I haven’t seen anybody on here claiming the protests are anything but organic. Maybe other DR spots, but not this one.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Meh, I’m pretty cynical about that sort of thing. I’m sure there was a paid “community organizer” or two ginning up these “organic” protests. That’s not to say that most people joining in aren’t doing it organically, just that this isn’t how it started.

compsci
compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Ostei, I didn’t think it was news so not worth mentioning. Of course there are “outside agitators”. I’ve never seen an event of these types that can so organize and persist without such.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  compsci
22 days ago

It’s not mutually exclusive. I’m sure that PoS Soros has his grubby paws in this, but there are a lot of people who are genuinely pissed about the genocide in Gaza.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
22 days ago

But whether they were doing so to generate energy for the anti-semitism bill or because they were genuinely sympathetic to the Palis is the question. I think in most cases, it was probaby the latter.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Yeah, I think there WAS a lot of genuine outrage about the Gaza slaughter on the Left. But it’s hard to say whether Jewish involvement in the protests was genuine or cynically manipulative. The “surge in threats against Jewish community centers” several years ago turned out to be an Israeli Jew phoning in THOUSANDS of bomb threats. The ADL made a lot of hay out of it, though, and the Jews got millions in security funding. The funny thing about the Gaza war protests, as Anglin correctly pointed out, was that they were not violent and Antifa was notably absent.… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

So funny, cause it’s an important thing the slippery slope and it IS pushed in logic books as a fallacy

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hi-ya!
22 days ago

Yes, I suppose in some mechanistic, formulaic schema it can be classed as a fallacy, but in reality the slippery slope actually plays out with great regularity.

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

You are on the “slippery slope” to mediocrity!

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Eye for the obvious! At least it wasn’t a word salad loaded with blue cheese! 😂

Whiskey
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

I honestly don’t know why you are upset about this? America has been dead for a long long time. This is just flies buzzing around the decayed corpse. You and I as Straight White Males are basically at the bottom in terms of rights, privileges, and so on. There is no possibility of ourselves EVER having the full rights of say, a black lesbian and that stings. I know it is hard to let go of your memories of the flag, the national anthem, liberty, freedom. But its gone and never coming back. I still get a lump in my… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
22 days ago

Maybe, but things like public accommodation took the better part of a century to bite back. And if the courts don’t have a basis in law, Griswold et al. demonstrates they have no qualms about just inventing penumbras and emanations to rule the way they want.

He’s at least right. Black letter, this isn’t a big deal.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Maxda
22 days ago

That is the best case scenario, M. I can see jewish censorship being the trigger of America’s SHTF moment. Not only is the law itself a trigger, but the people they attack with it could be too. The MAGA types are spitting nails in rage at the current lawfare against Trump. They may not be a majority… but that is a LOT of people to enrage to the point that they are willing to launch a crusade against you. You are daring an insurrection is what I think…

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Filthie
22 days ago

Even Jerry Nadler voted against it. I’m seeing a lot of anti- opinions published by Jews (e.g. Tablet Magazine). They believe it would one day be turned on them.

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Filthie
22 days ago

The law is crazy and will most likely increase criticism of Israel. Their best tactic would have been to let the protests burn themselves out. But that would take intelligence, and these people are really stupid.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
22 days ago

Antisemitism has become what Z calls an “abracadabra word” that means whatever the group using it as a weapon against their enemies wants it to mean. Just like election deniers or climate deniers. Normies hear the word and thinks it means hatred of the Jews, but the meaning is key. They apparently can’t have you criticizing the Gazacaust or any other Israeli policy. Can’t have you reading a Bible that correctly blames the Jews killing Jesus, who was also Jewish. Most normies will be ignorant of this soon-to-be law until they run afoul of it and then it becomes a… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
22 days ago

Yep. These frat boys aren’t heroes. Not by a long stretch. They’re just great grandgrillers. And they’re naive fools.

Edmond Dantes
Edmond Dantes
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
22 days ago

“No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.” John 10: 18

compsci
compsci
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
22 days ago

“…why son are you at a protest with two parties that seek your annihilation?” It’s an old tradition in the Catholic church for the faithful to take note of martyrs for the faith. We usually make them saints and point to them for strength and guidance in troubled times. Now I’m not saying these frat boys are saints, or even martyrs–but I will say that they help the morale of the “good guys”. To hide under a rock and avoid confrontation is to cede victory to the Leftist hordes. No one in conservative circles attempts to paint George Floyd as… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  compsci
22 days ago

Well, you may have a point. Something tells me we won’t lack for martyrs in the coming years.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
22 days ago

Heh. Saw this over at Simplicius:

DEI (diversity equity and isreal)

TomA
TomA
22 days ago

The Congress is owned by AIPAC. It’s as simple as that. Is that a good thing? No, of course not. Will this change via voting harder? I think not; but the illusion is a convenient excuse to stay on the couch. How much longer can this insanity persist? No one knows. Given this uncertainty, what is the best use of one’s efforts?

Whiskey
Reply to  TomA
22 days ago

Some of it is, some of it is not, and the wider “ownership” of the more important rule making bodies like the ADL, Soros / Tides Foundation, CIA, etc. is up for grabs. There is an enormous body of money sloshing around DC and it comes from everywhere: Qatar, the Saudis, the Iranians, the Chinese, Soros/CIA, all of whom are at odds with each other. The answer is “it depends.” It depends upon the particular constellation of interests, money, power, influence, and whose ox is gored. Who “owns” the ADL? Is it Soros/CIA, is it the Saudis? The Iranians? Where… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Whiskey
22 days ago

And it all circles back to if the Congress were restrained to its Article I Section 8 powers, no one would give a damn who owned Congress, as they could not give favors to their donors anyway.

In a way, it’s a point of honor that our congresscritters stay bought. They have at least that going for them.

Vizzini
Member
22 days ago

“There is some universal standard of justice against which the laws are measured.” Universal standards are nonsensical without reference to God. Thus the failure of everyone from Kant to Stefan Molyneaux to articulate a universal, materialist morality. “No one suggests we deport people for telling jokes about fat people.” No, you just get fired from your job and rendered unemployable if you anger the wrong fat person or “virtuous” person. The question of authority always resolves to two possible answers, which is the collective will or the supernatural.  Imagine imbuing the madness of crowds with moral authority. But we don’t… Read more »

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Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

I’d rather live under a theocracy. In other words, you’d rather live under a priestocracy of gasbags who claim to speak for a god, or gods, and we all know whose god(s) you are likely to prefer. This amusing irony won’t be lost on the Levantine supremacists who often call their god Ha Shem (lit., The Name). Now, you mentioned Kant, and a topic of the blog post is moral authority. Well, it so happened this morning that I read the following relevant passage: Kant, as I say, invented a new moral argument for the existence of God, and that… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

In other words, you’d rather live under a priestocracy of gasbags who claim to speak for a god, or gods, and we all know whose god(s) you are likely to prefer. You display a profound lack of understanding of the source of Christian doctrine, but I don’t expect people like you to like it or be convinced, so, sure, good enough. Yes, I would rather live under the rule of people trying to apply the Bible to daily life than I would by people claiming the vote of Shaniqua and her buddies justifies any abuse the government wishes to heap… Read more »

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

“You, by definition, lack the requisite knowledge to make such a judgment.”

Exactly. The Book of Job is precisely an entire exposition on this subject. I’ll summarize for those who are too time constrained to read this text: The finite mind can never understand the infinite mind.

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Sub
Sub
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

Alternative interpretation of Job.

Yet another of the pantheon of devils that human beings found in the deserts of Middle East tricks gullible man into believing that it’s sadism is actually part of a secret occult plan for existence.

Meanwhile said devil engages in Trading Spaces-style gag bet with another one of the desert devils, Satan or Marduk or somebody, it doesn’t really matter which since all of them behave very similarly.

Generations of gullible humans continue the gag up until the present day.

compsci
compsci
Reply to  Sub
22 days ago

“…man into believing that it’s sadism is actually part of a secret occult plan for existence.”

If you’ve read Job (doubtful), your interpretation and rejection of God is what we term childish. Your idea of God is that of a benevolent caretaker and in essence a “parent” who would never allow harm to come to his children. Since this is not the case, there can be no God.

This is illogical and not the case. I’ll leave it at that.

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

You display a profound lack of understanding of the source of Christian doctrine. The source of the different sets of “Christian” doctrines is delusional humans and, possibly, some other ignorant being(s) channeled in a trance. It’s btw that modern Jews have done an adequate job of explaining shortcomings of Trinitarian doctrines relative to Jesus’ own religion—which wasn’t Christianity at all. (Did J need to be saved?) These shortcomings include that bizarre old fetish with Mary’s sex life. The relevant passage reads ‘young woman’, not ‘virgin’. See the website and YT channel of Jews for Judaism for more details. the Bible… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

Wow. So much to unpack, and probably can’t be done, given your antipathy. “Trinitarianism” is really nothing more than the idea that there are (at least) three distinct aspects of God. If you have even a basic understanding of the Blind men and an elephant – Wikipedia it’s not that much of a reach. I get there’s a fetish about Mary’s virgin birth. I agree it may well be stolen from older Mesopotamian legends, but, seriously, no one really cares other than you and maybe a few Catholics. Mary hasn’t been deified, but is simply perceived to be a cut-off… Read more »

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Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

Yes, you are so right and it is definitely much better being ruled by trannies, homos and foreigners who hate me than the religious. Definitely nothing good came out of Christendom. After all, if we can’t have gay pride parades, what good is Western Civilization?

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

Theocracy?
You might want to read up on a thing called the Spanish Inquisition for starters.

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

You might want to listen to your ignorant horse when he reveals his plan for the imaginary crime of “Antisemitism”.

“We have to bring back the death penalty. They have to pay the ultimate price.”

https://twitter.com/TheMadDimension/status/1786567570155241904

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

The Inquisition was awesome.

If I was the benefactor of a Catholic school, I’d have its nickname be “The Inquisition”.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

The Spanish Inquisition wasn’t the theocratic institution most learned in school. Isabella saw the way out of Spain’s money woes in the confiscation of Moorish and Jewish wealth, so petitioned Rome for an inquisition, but keep in mind, appointment of inquisitors was exclusively vested in the Spanish throne, Ferdinand and Isabella at the time.

There may well have been some religious fervor underlying it, but venal corruption is a more than sufficient explanation.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Steve
22 days ago

the confiscation of Moorish and Jewish wealth

You mean the two groups who had demonstrated hostility to the native people and dominant religion of Spain? The two groups that Spain had fought their way back to self-determination against? The Jews had worked closely in alliance with Moorish Muslims in occupied Spain.

Sounds like a sound move.

Nowadays our government just confiscates wealth of unfavored groups via the tax code.

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Didn’t say it wasn’t a smart move. Just that it wasn’t an obviously Christian “priestocracy” carrying it out. This was most likely just governments doing what governments do.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY-pS6iLFuc

30 yrs. old…

The Inquisition..as you understand it…was “spun” by “Protestors” who lost the 30 yrs. war, with some help from…?

John's Spam
John's Spam
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

IRL. A co-worker of mine regularly traded jokes with another co-worker via company e-mail. One morning he emails a fat woman joke. But, the e-mail app autofill-selects another employee who has the same name, but with a different middle initial. Co-worker does not notice the substitution and clicks ‘send’. That third employee happens to be a high up executive who has a secretary who pre-screens his e-mails. Unfortunately, she is obese. The first co-worker is walked out the door by multiple security guards before the morning is out, and the second is sent to re-education camp.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  John's Spam
22 days ago

So some fat ass gets her (of course it’s a female) nose out of joint, and a persons life, and family, is possibly destroyed.

The problem with over reacting to such a slight offense, is that it sometimes leads to the joker coming back and spaying the place with .226.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

The collective will, the supernatural, or a monopoly on violence. In AINO authority resides with the latter. The power structure doesn’t manifest the collective will because Our Democracy is a sham. The power structure is no longer Christian in any meaningful sense, and is probably preponderently atheistic or agnostic. At any rate, its mouthpieces never claim to be acting as divine legates anymore anyway. So, that leaves us with a monopoly on violence, which the power structure does indeed possess. They impose their deranged edicts upon us because they can, and they can annihilate us if we demur. AINO is… Read more »

Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

“The power structure is no longer Christian in any meaningful sense, and is probably preponderently atheistic or agnostic.”

The structure is decidedly (and increasingly openly) Luciferean.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in Satan. They believe it.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

I’d rather live under a theocracy.”

Except the same scum often controls organized religion. Half a dozen of one, six of the other.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

I trust a theocracy to self-correct more than I do a democracy, (or a tyranny with democratic trim, like we have), at least in a religion that has a fixed written scripture like Christianity.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

I think the religious Afrikaner societies of the Orange Free State and Transvaal, pre-Boer War, seemed pretty ideal in a lot of respects. Peopled with fiercely independent individuals with large families and lands, highly devoted to God.

Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

Why, just last week Jim and Tammy Fay Baker held multiple people in jail without charges for years because they criticized the Southern Baptist hierarchy.

Yup! The very same people!

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
22 days ago

I don’t think you quite appreciate the symbiotic relationship between churches and governments in the old world. They’ve railroaded people, too. They’ve handed heretics over to the civil government for punishment. And remember the stories about how the Catholic priests used to blackmail people with what they said in confession? And then there are the various inquisitions … Institutions have a way of “getting” people who Rock the boat too much.

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Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

I’m not convinced historical events which took place 500+ years ago can justify the assertion that “the same scum” controls governments and religion now.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
22 days ago

We’ve had prohibition and the anti-abortion nut jobs running amok. That’s going to be the mentality you have to deal with. I think the better way to frame it is to have a secular government that acknowledges God, with Christianity first among equals when it comes to how we order things, but with the understanding that secular interests come first.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Yeah and I’m having trouble seeing the baseline of Mr man’s argument. Isn’t it really an enlightenment argument? Maybe I’m misreading

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Christian Zionists, millions of them, look to the authority of God, and they are perfectly fine with banning speech critical of Israel or the Jews, after all the Scofield Bible has drilled it into their heads that Jesus wont come back until the chosen whom are promised the real estate in the middle east rebuild their temple.
Christian Zionists are a major problem in America.
This theology that is not much more than 100 years old is driving a lot of political disfunction when it comes to Israel and the Jews.

Sub
Sub
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

It’s not so much specifically Zionism as it is Biblical literalism that is the major problem. Zionism is just a subcategory of that literalism. For some reason a lot of people on the right think living under the sorts of fanatics who literally want to end the world to fulfill their particular prophecy is any more appealing than living under the fanatics who crawl out of sewer grates or aloha snackbar the local cafe, but it’s all pretty much the same sort of zealotry, the worst aspects of human faith. Just because the rationalists are wrong about the supremacy of… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Except for Trump, Christian Zionists utterly dominate the GOP, and even he panders to them. His VP choice will speak volumes about his intentions. Anyone except Tulsi Gabbard (and maybe JD Vance, maybe) will basically signal he is in their pocket. But that may be the price of staying out of prison. I still don’t think they will allow Trump to become president, but they want him to give a good hand-off to the permanent minority, controlled opposition Republicans, without accidentally empowering any True Right dissidents. (btw, what do you all think of “True Right” as an alternative to Alt-Right… Read more »

Whiskey
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
22 days ago

I see signs of a Thermidorean Reaction. Not saying it will happen, but they are there. A. Every manager and owner of a hedge fund, real estate firm, and the like knows that they are “next” after Trump — there is no stop sign after him and they want to foreclose that the way Robspierre’s former allies knew they were next. B. The oncoming disaster that is French and UK NATO escalation in Ukraine, requiring massive amounts of US troops locked into WWI plus unless it goes global nuclear war. Russia can rubble most of Western Europe’s cities without nukes… Read more »

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Hearing about Christian Zionists and the Scofield Bible has become so tedious that I feel compelled to put the correction somewhere, even though it should be obvious to those who read and believe the Christian Bible. Modern Israel and the assortment of Zionists are people “who say they are Jews and are not” as Jesus said in Revelation 2. They are not Biblical Jews because “Anyone who does not listen to him[Christ] will be completely cut off from their people” as Peter declared in Acts 3 and Paul explained in Romans 2. To paraphrase the latter “A person is not… Read more »

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  terranigma
22 days ago

Interesting thought. I had been an ardent anti-Zionist for several decades, until someone from church asked about it, so I researched it, and found out Zionism is just the idea of creating a Jewish homeland so Jews can GTFO of where they don’t belong.

Are you saying I’m offending God by becoming a Super-Mega Zionist and wanting them all to go screw up their own country?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  terranigma
22 days ago

BTW, yeah, you can pretty much write off anyone who blames things on Scofield as being utterly clueless.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
22 days ago

Well that is the real hell of it, isn’t it, Z? I can see, clear as day, the blow back that is going to come from jewish censors editing the bible. It is going to be Biblical if they want to get stupid about. In the real world, this is just the Establishment virtue signaling its masters. Pushed to its limits, the question of “who says” will be answered by the cartridge box, not the ballot box. In the real world I suspect the rat faced jewish censors will be largely, but politely, ignored. Westerners are openly contemptuous of theocratic… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
22 days ago

Of course everyone knows that if being mean to jews or commenting on jewish behaviors, wealth and influence is allowed, Hitler 2.0, 3.0 or whatever iteration we’re on these days will suddenly blossom into concentration camps, piles of shoes and “soap”. The government here is becoming more evilly capricious by the day.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  usNthem
22 days ago

After the fashion of Cat Stevens, the Republicans are “riding on the Stochastic Terrorism Train.”

AntiDem
AntiDem
22 days ago

As David “Spengler” Goldman once said, if you teach women to read, the first thing they’ll read are the instructions on a box of birth control pills. Ask Japan or Korea how that’s working out for them.

And we’re not far behind.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  AntiDem
22 days ago

I wonder. The aspect of fewer children strikes me as a joint decision. Men have as much to do with such as women I’d wager. Sex without responsibility (children and their upbringing) is a heady brew.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

Yes – men want to sow their wild oats and then wonder why there are so few marriageable women left. Can’t have it both ways!

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

Women are the gate keepers. If they weren’t indoctrinated to spread their legs whenever they feel aroused, we wouldn’t have this problem.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

They’re the gate keepers because they possess gates.

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

Loads of sluts advertising their exploits all over the internet. Ever heard of Tick Tock? 😉

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

It’s your choice to watch them.

Without (male) viewers = no money = no incentive for such behavior.

Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  Jannie
22 days ago

When it comes to sex, women inarguably have all the power. All the power.

If Staciey Britt is a slut it is because she wants to be one, and the 95% of Beta Loser men who get zero promiscuous puss are not at fault for any of this state of affairs. Go tar and feather a Feminist instead. Also, blame those who are actually responsible for the Great Skankening.

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
22 days ago

Nah. Women anymore are seriously damaged goods. They’ve been brought up in a culture that hates them if they even consider chastity and motherhood as an option, instead of pursuing a career. To think women’s locker rooms should be for females only is, at best, to be denounced as a TERF. I meet almost none who, if I were the type, could not be manipulated in any way I chose by abusing their insecurities about, for example, body shape. I get it. Men are screwed up, too. This culture does an excellent job of creating mental cases who deserve each… Read more »

Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Botts, Dec'd
Reply to  Steve
21 days ago

All this misses my point: women control access to sex. Full stop. The mental problems of all adults of both sexes is a completely separate question. Blaming men for “sowing their wild oats” is asinine, since men can only do this insofar as women permit it to happen. Ergo, if men (legitimately) complain they are locked out of sexual access due to Feminist Slut Culture, it is ridiculous to blame men because there are no decent marriage partners to be had. And to the point you make about mental instability, we have now had 3 generations of children raised by… Read more »

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TempoNick
TempoNick
22 days ago

Remember when the oligarchs looted Russia’s crown jewel assets after the Soviet Union fell apart? Roughly about the same time is when we started to get all of these newly minted Jewish billionaires here in the US. I wonder if there is a connection. Remember, Jeffrey Epstein’s (and his predecessors’) honey traps were also targeting CEOs.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

Russia being the only part of the world that the GAE/British empire never conquered or dominated is something I can’t get out of my head as I watch their campaign against it. Of course as you point at they had their hooks in it for a brief time, only to be excised. Probably makes it all the more maddening for them.

My Comment
My Comment
22 days ago

Who says? Important question. Especially relevant with the GOP. A partial list of things they never swung into action on includes:

Millions per year marching across the border then living at taxpayer expense

Children urged to mutilate their bodies

The 2020 election being stolen

Antifa burning down cities while BLM looted businesses

Jan 6 protestors being tortured through years of solitary confinement

But let Jews be criticized and the GOP is there for the rescue

Unfortunately the answer to who says makes people on both sides of the divide very uncomfortable

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Marko
Marko
22 days ago

There are still a lot of religious people in the US, and a great many in Congress claim to be religious. So I think God’s judgment is still in people’s heads, and if pressed, they would invoke scripture, or at least a “He gets us” understanding of Christianity.

In the US, God has not been replaced. What has been replaced is authoritarian Christianity for Christian playacting that favors non-judgment and radical acceptance on the assumption that Christ was really just a nice guy who wants to be your friend.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

Indeed, one could say that leftists in government are the most Christian of all, based on the parts of scripture they have picked and chosen to emphasize (last shall be first and first shall be last etc.). Building on Matthew 19:21, they are intent on giving away their entire civilization to the poor. In this sense they bring Christian theology into government with a force that the right never has.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

I would argue that just like Our Democracy, the ostensible Christianity of our rulers is largely grub for Grillers. Ol’ Martha and Merle out in Moline want to believe their politicians are god-fearing Christians just like them. And the politicians tell them just that. But they haven’t cracked a Bible since they were 14 and any of their prayers are as apt to go to Geryon as God.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Yeah, I’ve noticed since Clinton and his “well used” Bible show, even the pretense of belief has gone out the window for politicians. When I was younger, the news media would make great effort to publicize Presidential worship attendance. Presidents would make it a habit to visit different local churches and be filmed. Obama came along and dropped that immediately. Trump? Biden?

The show is over. It was all for the rubes anyway, nonetheless I morn for the country.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Compsci
22 days ago

I don’t mind that they’re not showing up at churches. I thought it was all kind of phony, patronizing and insulting, anyway. I’d rather see them set an example by how they live rather than some phony photo-op at a church.

compsci
compsci
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

The point is that once upon a time it was shown/thought to be a believer in good standing was essential. Now almost no politician believes such and in that we see the degrading/elimination of religion’s importance in our nation. We are now seeing the effect of such writ large.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

I have mixed feelings on that. I’m not the most Church going person myself, but that stuff was taught to me when I was young and I believe in it at a high level, though not necessarily at the detail level. That’s good enough for me. There’s nothing in the Bible that says you have to go to church every Sunday or that you even have to read the Bible. Remember, most of our ancestors were illiterate.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

There are exceptions, of course, but most devout Christians read the Bible and go to church. That’s sort of baseline piety. If you don’t do this, it’s a pretty good indicator you don’t take your Christianity very seriously.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

I’m way too ADD to sit in the pews. I can listen to it on the radio or when the wife sends me YouTube clip some of preacher, but I just can’t sit in church.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

Listening to the minister’s sermon on the radio or watching it on the boob toob IS attending church, in a manner of speaking. I seriously doubt the rulers are doing this, though.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

Well yeah, something to that. Jesus had some unfavorable things to say about hypocrites praying on street corners, making a big show of their piety.

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

The U.S. is not and never has been a democracy.
Ben Franklin “You now have a Republic if you can keep it.”
You’re slipping Spumante.
Of course with a name like yours you’re a Bolshevik how would you know that?

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

When my late mother was a teen, she went to a Methodist church (1950’s). She said they were very old school and very strict. My cousin’s husband, his dad was a Methodist minister. I asked him yesterday what his dad thinks about the Methodists being okay with homo ministers. He told me his dad is more of a live and let live person these days.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

Teevee did that!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

It’s a sad phenomenon. Most of the elderly just don’t have the heart to push back against the dismal tide. Easier to just capitulate to depravity and dysfunction. I also have seen this happen.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  TempoNick
22 days ago

I briefly attended a Methodist Church in the mid-1980s and even back then they already had female ministers.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

And now practicing lesbian preachers and, I think even a Bishop. Someone high up in the hierarchy, anyway. And, yes, I left the UMC some time ago.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

Ja, Buddy Christ comes to mind.

george 1
george 1
22 days ago

I have a couple of neighbors who fall into the “Christian Zionists” category. It has been great fun for me to drop various bible verses on them. It is also funny to see the contortions they go through to explain Israel’s barbaric behavior. I asked them yesterday, So it is OK that Netanyahu potentially tried to start WWII by bombing a consulate in Syria? The dumfounded looks are priceless. Be that as it may, now in the year of our Lord 2024, it is clear to all but the true retards, who is running the show in America and really… Read more »

JaG
JaG
22 days ago

I’m getting that “…we were never asked…” vibe.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
22 days ago

I’m old enough to remember when everyone on the right said Rubio was the next “outsider” who was going to take on the system.

Then Trump. Then Hawley. Some even told me Johnson as of not too long ago.

Until you realize that the entire “outsider” narrative, from Musk to MTG to Milo to Vox to whoever is next, is a ruse, you’ll start to see what’s going on here.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
22 days ago

“In the end, the response to all new demands for censorship and prohibitions against thoughts or actions must be “Who says?” Who decided that being rude to Jewish people is the worst sin? When was this decided? Who says we have to pretend crime is not what it is? Unless and until the scolds can answer these basic questions of authority, they have no legitimacy.” But they do have an answer to this question of who says. The answer is criticism of Israel leads to criticism of Jews which leads to antisemitism which leads to nazis which leads to another… Read more »

Boris
22 days ago

Re-Reading Bros. K now. Last summer’s re-read was Demons by Dostoyevsky. Two incredible novels that are every bit as relevant now as they were over 150y ago. The idea (not quote per se) that you mention – “If God does not exist, then everything is permitted”, is attributed to Ivan Fyodorovich Karamazov, the sensualist second son of the buffoon, Pyotor Karamazov. Yes, without the higher authority of God, man becomes the true master of his moral universe…. or so he thinks. About 100 years later (1978), another great Russian writer, Solzhenitsyn, again made this claim that the West was spiraling… Read more »

jpb
jpb
22 days ago

​​Israel/Gaza: The Masks Come Off in American Society by Ron Unz at Unz Review is the single best analysis of Genocidal Jew Power in the USA

Mike Tre
Mike Tre
22 days ago

I’m not sure nature grants any rights to anything. Humans that manage to create any sort of civilization, primitive or advanced, first must agree on a set of rules and or boundaries in order for that civilization to work. It sounds good to say natural right, as if said right is something guaranteed beyond the power of mankind. I may have the right to free speech, but the G can silence me. I might have the right to bear arms, but the G can still take them from me. Nature does not intervene and has nothing to do with it.… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mike Tre
22 days ago

I think a more correct way to put it is that the rules co-evolve with the civilization. Whatever flaw appears spawns a rule to address it, and civilization plays out under the new ruleset. Each new rule is put in place to address a specific unintended consequence of the previous ruleset. And that’s why a culture cannot just have any old ruleset imposed on it and hope for the best. African culture does not work with European rules because Africans have a different set of social norms and expectations. I’m fine with saying it’s an inferior culture, but if Africa… Read more »

Xman
Xman
22 days ago

Great post, Z. Allow me to weigh in on this for a bit. Ever since Aristotle, there has been a distinction between natural law and conventional law. Whether we drive on the left or the right side of he road, or stop on a yellow light instead of green, is purely law by convention. It really does not matter which we choose so long as everyone does the same thing for the sake of consistency, efficiency, and avoiding confusion. There are a lot of mundane conventional decisions made by government like that. Does the DMV require that your registration sticker… Read more »

Whiskey
22 days ago

The unspoken truth is that there is a civil war among Western (((peoples))). Those who are “non-fancy” like Bill Ackman and Daniel Loeb and others on Wall Street see the University agitation aimed directly at their kids and aimed at removing their kids, nephews, friends kids from University spots which are valuable and feed into Goverment/NGO positions of great power and eventually targeting them. “Fancy” people including Soros, and people like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, the CIA, State Dept, are funding and organizing the protests which are spiraling ever bigger in the hopes of… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Whiskey
22 days ago

I can’t shake off the sense that the Big Jews are making an alliance with the Orange Man. In which case the only thing they’re color revolutioning against with these protests is the Biden regime. Certainly I can see no other target. Then after he’s installed, and the big financial crisis/GD 2.0 happens, he gets the blame and “maga” is marginalized for a half century minimum, as the America First movement of the 1930s was.

It’s tricky, because the TDS on the “left” is so far gone that it can’t be totally controlled

Neoliberal Feudalism
22 days ago

Stephen Steinlight of the Center for Immigration Studies (cis.org/Steinlight), who was previously National Affairs Director at the American Jewish Committee (AJC) for eight years, warned American Jews back in 2001 that the unlimited open borders policies they were promoting essentially ubiquitously as a community would likely result in summoning a tribal-based non-white golem that would turn on them. He recommended a reconsideration of these policies toward much less immigration as well as much increased assimilation. He was of course ignored. Here’s the 2001 article. Now there is a clash on the intersectional pyramid: who is more of a victim, Jews because of the Holocaust… Read more »

The Greek
The Greek
22 days ago

“Who says we should ban criticism of Israel?”

God’s chosen people said so. One could say that some republicans buy into the “chosen people” myth. If they are God’s chosen people, and they say we can’t criticize them, then the authority is God. It’s not much different from the old belief of the King being put in power by God, and his authority deriving from such.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  The Greek
22 days ago

Sometimes they’ve been called the least self-aware people in the history of the world. They always are asking themselves “Is it good for the Jews?” In-group preference is a good survival trait. Apparently what has escaped their notice is that once they have gained centers of power their continued preference for their own kind at some point becomes a harm, alienating the out group. This tends to work out very badly for all concerned especially for the Jews.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  The Greek
22 days ago

Maybe. Unless you think of God’s Chosen People as something other than genetics. Which strikes me as odd with respect to lots of other parts of the Bible. There are all kinds of characters who advance God’s will and are blessed who are not of Abram’s lineage, and the converse.

If “Chosen people” refers to merely people who try to live their lives as He says they should…

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
22 days ago

The problem goes away if you have a national god. God’s will and the general will are basically the same thing. That has its own problems, like seeing other nations as Amalek.

If your god is universal, you twist yourself in knots over the self/other distinction and end up committing suicide.

Or you can split the difference and maintain yourself while being tolerant of the other. Some Pagans were able to do this, but it seems like we’re too stupid to do it today.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

For the record, I’m not an advocate of returning to paganism. That’s long ago, and it seems to me a question of people. Zealous people in faith or rebellion. Thinking Exodus. Yahweh wants to crush his people for being rebellious and Moses talks him out of it(!). He gives Moses the Law to give to them instead. So now there’s a Law to keep and a form (just read Numbers lol)— the beginning of an inward turning that culminates in the crisis of Jesus’ time. Some rebel again, others take refuge in a spiritual circumcision. So now the faith could… Read more »

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

I’m still not seeing how Christ came to destroy cultures, mix all peoples up, and force whites to life with blacks as equals. I think this anti racism multi cultural thing swept in at a very specific time: post wwii. I just don’t see how god has always meant for the races to be mixed up . Either he separated the races which is a perfectly acceptable interpretation of the curse of ham, or evolution seperated the races . Racial differences should be respected. Africa. An be Christian in their way and whites in theirs, how is that wrong? There… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Hi-ya!
21 days ago

I’m with you on that. I think— and I’m not a theologian— it’s important to remember that Jesus was preaching to the Hebrews. It was a focused message. The Great Commission fell to His followers, who were in a completely different situation, and they successfully translated the message and dealt with an international faith. Once wholly Christian, I imagine there’s less need to translate and appeal, plus people will start looking for a ‘pure’ or ‘true’ Christianity, and Jesus’ Hebrew-specific message would be the obvious place to start. Add to this literacy and the printing press (the Protestant contribution), the… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Millstones and lakes aside, have you considered the possibility that the OT is not meant to be taken literally, that to a large degree, it’s parables. much as the NT? Almost self-evidently, the Garden of Eden is a parable. So why isn’t Abram merely the story of the abandonment of Fertile Crescent’s practice of human sacrifice? The story is not about Abram’s literal descendants, but his spiritual descendants, those who reject human sacrifice as atonement? Reading the stories as figurative rather than literal makes most of the OT make at least some sense. Not that I’m pushing for those who… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Steve
22 days ago

Honestly, I focus on the NT, especially the red letter stuff, although there’s plenty of wisdom in the OT. But I’ve always taken it as Hebrew scripture more than Christian.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

I’m pretty sure that for the majority, to include most of the clouds and wannabe clouds (especially the latter), the question of who says is settled by what The Man On TV says. For practical purposes, the true voice of god. We are talking about a “people” who are that easily ruled.

I have no doubt whatsoever that if the dissident right gained control of the media and propagated an anti jewish message, we’d have most everybody singing right along in under 5 years.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Doesn’t it strike you as odd, Jeffrey, that controlled ops on the dissident right like Roosh V or others are/were anti-jewish?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Punk in Drublic
22 days ago

I never listened to enough Rush to say where he was on that. But certainly he was never “dissident right.” That show was about as Reagan Rebublican as they come. Which I deduce from my friend Civnat G. Normiecon who loved it and listened all the time.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Roosh V, not Rush.

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Punk in Drublic
22 days ago

Roosh V is now the new “controlled opposition here?
A founding father of the red pill is “controlled opposition?
You think TPTB wanted the red pill cat out of the bag?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
Reply to  Vinnyvette
22 days ago

What you thought it was organic? Milo, Fuentes, Jones, Musk. Anyone with a brain could tell these were ops from the start and in some cases this isn’t even controversial anymore.

The red pill to incel pipeline was not spontaneous.

steve w
steve w
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Experts, my dear boy, Experts. Z man forgot about Expertism – The Third Way (alongside and superior to both God and Consensus). The Man On TV is the Expert. We have a SCOTUS judge who couldn’t say what a woman is because she had not consulted an Expert.

Lately the Experts have equivocated on cannibalism, so we must withhold judgement.

Long live the Experts: They are our Maginot Line against confusion.

Frank Maroney
Frank Maroney
22 days ago

“Who says?” isn’t the homerun you make it out to be. In a real life conversation the liberal responds “Common decency” and considers the discussion finished. Eight words the Lefty Creed fulfill: An ye harm none, do what ye will.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Frank Maroney
22 days ago

Asking “Who says?” won’t convince liberals to change their minds–nothing in real life can. But it is a good thing to convince normal people to get in the habit of asking.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
22 days ago

“The answer to the question of “Who says?” is “the government says so” but that is not adequate because who says the government has the right to police your opinions? The only possible answer to that question is us, the people, and no such authority has been granted.” Maybe, once upon a time. But for some time now the government has depended on its monopoly on armed force to do what it wants. The acquiescence — even of a sullen and begrudging sort — of the governed to the whims and caprices of a bought and corrupt government no longer… Read more »

hokkoda
Member
22 days ago

The problem with “Says Who” when it comes to government is that it is completely arbitrary. Bureaucrat X writes the regulation one way, Bureaucrat Y comes in and changes the name of it to “leave his mark”, confuses the hell out of everyone, and gets people in trouble with the law for no reason. Or, because he wants to get somebody in trouble with the law. “Says who” is what has Trump withstanding 4-5 different prosecutions. Most of the things he’s accused of aren’t even crimes. The others are made-up crimes concocted as a means to indict him because there… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  hokkoda
22 days ago

So why should any self-respecting person give any moral credence to anything the government or the voters have to say on the matter?

Why not just leave it at, “For me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” or “Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

In a better world, some of those alleged patriotic types in the “Intelligence Community” would band together and false flag sarin the Knesset, then false flag a massive Israeli response gas attack on Gaza. Then maybe there would be a sufficient majority to say, “Enough. All Jews self deport to your homeland or suffer the consequences.” Something, anything for America First to be something other than hate speech. Then we could maybe follow it up with common sense reforms. (Can’t figure out how to start numbering from 4, but you get the point.) None but members of the nation may… Read more »

TomA
TomA
22 days ago

This is how far we have fallen.

Did he just shit his pants? Dr. Jill Biden’s facial expression says it all.

https://twitter.com/DogRightGirl/status/1786749412414259295

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

If I had a magic wand, somewhere up near the top of the list would be to send all Jews off to some M Class planet where they can sink or swim on their own, but, more importantly, intelligent people would realize that ring around the collar and poverty and oppression and milk going sour still exist even without (((them)))…

redbeard
redbeard
22 days ago

Oh we alllll know who says. *wink wink

flashing red
flashing red
22 days ago

Happy Unmothers Day: You’re unwashed dishes, you’re an unmade bed You haven’t got a single thought inside your silly head We won’t be havin’ babies cuz your look is everything We can’t afford a mortgage but you wear a diamond ring You’re spendin’ all my money and you treat me pretty mean But the fellas all seem jealous of my sweet arm candy queen I shoulda married Molly, she liked to cook and clean But she’s just this side of pretty and her legs weren’t long and lean So let me tell you fellas, if beauty’s all you want Go… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
22 days ago

I heard on Gab that Dershowitz is starting a lawfare organization to sue the antisemites to take their boomboxes like it’s 1983 or something.

https://gab.com/BubetteSalam/posts/112386952013249839

Putting aside the humorous nature of taking their boomboxes, this is just flat out evil. He should be arrested and or deported for even making such threats. He can take all the foreign antisemites with him.

Yman
Yman
22 days ago

Hakeem Jeffries says we the people send troops to Ukraine
to him, it’s another day fights with whiteness, but to me its advantages to bring down enemy of nazi germany

US and Russia destroyed the last bastion of Europe, so let them have mutual destruction

trackback
22 days ago

[…] ZMan is not afraid to ask the hard questions. […]

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

Serious question. Why isn’t everyone here a Zionist? What exactly is the problem with a Jewish homeland, then insisting Jews return to their homeland?

Yman
Yman
Reply to  Steve
22 days ago

Serious question, if someone left his property before thousand years, the property owner is someone else, does previous owner actually have the right to take over the property with British forces?

Go fuck yourselves with justifying colonization

Last edited 22 days ago by Yman
Steve
Steve
Reply to  Yman
21 days ago

I’m not talking about who has “right” to the property. Obviously, we all (or at least most of us) think conquest of the American Indians sufficient claim to the land.

But what would be the grounds for telling Jews to go back to their homeland if they had no homeland?

Don’t dodge the question. How can this be addressed without “colonization”, which is clearly OK in the case of North America?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Yman
21 days ago

Oh, and go fuck yourself.

Yman
Yman
Reply to  Steve
21 days ago

No, Fuck you

The point is you don’t have a right to kick off Palestinian at the first place not a North America
Your Jewish attitude about you own everything and can do anything stuff only fools on stupid white people

Reason why you Jews had such power is white people serving you
And white race is history

I can sure you that we the East are not tolerated to Jew having dominance of global finance

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Yman
21 days ago

Who says these people are any relation to the originals anyways?

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
22 days ago

”Beep every time you see an orange car.” Interesting choice of color Z. Substitute Beep your horns every time you see an “orange man! 😂
Marco Rubio owes his political career, and thus his luxurious lifestyle, to a Zionist billionaire car dealer named Norman Braman. Rubio has been in the pocket of the neocons his entire career.

No one financed Donald J Trump’s political career!
Another reason he’s the best candidate for president!

“Who’s your better presidential candidate?” Still… CRICKETS!
Y’all have a nice day now. 😉

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

Many readers of this blog have heard of a Jewish doctor named Vladimir Zelenko (b. 1973, supposedly in Kiev). He became notorious for prescribing a combo of drugs including hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19. Few know, however, that he was a thirsty Noahide, too. A young nationalist named Adam Green has done yeoman’s work calling attention to this cult, which many Jews and others hope to impose on the world. Here’s a short video which Green published of Zelenko explaining how things will work for criminals as they will be defined in the statutes and case law of creationist Zionocracy, which can… Read more »

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
22 days ago

The question “Who says?” has literally nothing to do with the topic under consideration in this post. This is just Z-Man trying to shoehorn contemporary events into the Procrustean Bed of his own bizarre terminology. Since “Who says?” is something of an idée fixe with him, he seeks to trot it out on any possible occasion. The sentiment itself is not germane to any kind of legal, political, or ethical discussion. It’s just a pure bit of stridency, a diffident posture designed to trick people into prescinding from the substantial point at hand and involve them in a fruitless argument… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
22 days ago

Who says the new ‘read more’ feature is without its merits?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Since the up/down thingie is godawful, well played, Sir Jeffery, well played!
That is class. That, good people, is finesse.

steve w
steve w
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
22 days ago

Why can’t you just make your point without being a rude asshole? A normal person could quickly rewrite your comment, eliminating the calc III nonsense, replacing the pretentious ‘prescinding from’ with ‘overlooking’, weeding out the gratuitous condescension, and focusing on your point, which isn’t a bad one. Institutions carry a non-consensual authority in that a participant accedes to that authority without examining and voting on the many rules – both stated and unstated – that inhere within that institution, be it a church, a legal code, a military tradition, a language, the customs of everyday life (like good manners –… Read more »

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  steve w
22 days ago

Thanks. Believe it or not, this “rude asshole” is just me. It’s not an affectation, it’s really how I communicate. I’m sure if you met me in real life, I would not come across as rude at all. I say the things I say without rancor. This is why I intend to put out a video when I have some time. It really helps to see a person’s face, hear their voice, and observe their mannerisms to get a sense of their personality.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
21 days ago

Gawd the ego…. I’d love to see your video—not. You’ve been called insane by any number of people in this commentary, and you just keep proving them correct.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
22 days ago

It all comes from the “consent of the governed,” (even the gods) at least in a very vague way. This is why the state controls schooling and mass communications. Do you really think it is a mystery why pictures of dead presidents were all around the top of the perimeter of your first few grades of school? If we were still invoking the gods and their representatives in human society, the first few grades would really drive home how the gods wisely chose the king and his bureaucrats to lead us to a godly society. But instead, it’s all about… Read more »

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

How did you come to the following conclusion? For most of human history, the answer to the question, “Who says?” has been God, maybe the gods or perhaps a holy many who everyone agrees has some connection to the gods. That claim requires evidence, but it appears ridiculous to anyone who is familiar with Vedic religion, Jainism, and Buddhism. You won’t find solid support in Taoism or Confucianism, either. These systems have concepts of the supernatural, or at least the supermundane, but it doesn’t follow that fiat is the foundation of their morality. Your authoritarian bias—which appears to be extremely… Read more »

Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

Mentioning god around here is almost as taboo as mentioning the bogey man “Donald Trump”
Careful brother you’re heading down a “slippery slope” to infamy. 😂

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
22 days ago

So true, so true. Unable to distinguish between one, and the other, they are vulnerable to keeping alive something they don’t understand.