Last week I mentioned the retirement of Pat Buchanan and a few people suggested doing a show on the man. He looms large for people on this side the great divide who were around when he ran in 1992. For younger people on this side he probably does not resonate the same way, simply because you had to be alive back in the 1980’s and 1990’s to appreciate the full impact of the event.
The thing is though, even if you were around then, you did not appreciate what was happening until much later. Trump’s run in 2016 is what brought it home. Then the monstrous assault on Trump and his administration reminded some of us of what happened to Buchanan but also the paleos. The ugly face of the people behind the last thirty years of American politics came into focus.
When you dive into Buchanan’s career, you appreciate why the paleos lost, but also why they were never willing to take the next step. They grew up in an America that was about as close as you get to the ideal of America. It was a country that prospered because it was a system that worked. It was not perfect, of course, but it was about as good as anyone could expect.
Buchanan’s career, starting in the 1960’s, was about trying to get back to the system which produced the glory years of the 50’s and 60’s. What made his run in 1992 possible was the flicker of renewal in the 1980’s. For his generation, that time must have felt like a turning point in the great return. Then they saw the scaly tentacles of the neocons wrapped around it.
Digging into Buchanan’s career, prepping for the show, I came to appreciate why guys like Jared Taylor stop short of criticizing the system itself or why Steve Sailer pines for a return to his salad days in California. People who recall good America do not have to think about an alternative to the present. They lived in one. I do not think we can return to it, but I appreciate why they would desire it.
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This Week’s Show
Contents
- Buchanan’s Background
- Paleoconservatism
- The Bush Years
- The 1992 Race
- Buckley’s Betrayal
- Critiques of Buchanan
- Legacy
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We St. Louisans, native and otherwise, presuming we are of the compatible political bent, happily claim PJB as one of our own. And he has always considered St. Louis his second home. In fact, in 1996, after Bob Dole pretty much clinched the nomination, Missouri was PJB’s only win. I was a few weeks away from turning 19 on caucus day, and I was proud to be part of that. I should say that the St. Louis Globe-Democrat was never a liberal newspaper. It was always mainstream conservative biased since at least the 1920s all the way until its folding… Read more »
Ran into this post over at the WRSA site. Some particulars are concerning Canada, but overall this post is of interest to all of us North American wypipo. Communist Chinese policies and actions coming to fruition. Worth a read.
https://thenewbittercenturion.blogspot.com/2023/02/crash-and-burn.html?m=1
Being familiar with the Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, and WMD, among other Current Thing scams, I’m having a hard time getting real worked up about a balloon.
That’s the best they can come up with now? A balloon? Talk about decline. Their scams used to be more audacious.
Jeff,
The balloon thing was not the reason that I thought this post worthy of note; rather, it was the second through the fifth links contained within it documenting highly suspect actions of the Canadian government violative of national security/ sovereignty interests, rationally considered.
I remember the 1992 election well. A few co-workers and I were speaking about it and they all agreed that Bush with an over 90 percent approval rating after the Gulf War could not lose. Enter Ross Perot. Perot was the reason Clinton won, and throughout the election Perot only attacked Bush and took votes from him, allowing the Clintons to slither in. I’m not saying Bush was an outstanding guy, but I’m not sure he would have provoked any more overseas wars if re-elected. He did pull out of Iraq at the end of the 1991 war and never… Read more »
Nixon- One of the worst modern day presidents and the primary” irony of witch turned saint through murkiness of time”. His alignment with Conservatism (that wretched ideology) whether strong or weak only adds to his detraction. He was a militant Civil Rights enforcers and one the right wing fathers of the two pronged “lesser of two evils” strategy combined with shock and awe infiltrate, crush, and ostracize rival ideologies while feigning sympathy. One solace I take is how hated Nixon and his legacy are by the regime he faithfully served. The paleocon movement has as a seat at the tables… Read more »
Great show Z, thanks a lot. I enjoyed reliving my political youth and reminiscing on how Buchanan really *was* everywhere up until his renegade campaign.
You also jogged my memory of Jerry Brown’s parallel 1992 run, when for a moment I had the delusion of there possibly being a a Left/Right populist movement against the regime and the havoc it was wreaking on normal people. It’s a good reminder that the Left was not yet as insanely leukophobic as it is now.
Those Jerry Brown-Bill Clinton debates were fantastic. Brown had Clinton on the ropes, until he was told to step back.
I’m a Boomer, 10 years older than you, and Pat was a major influence on all us young conservatives in the late 1970s, then throughout our lives. We read the columns and watched TV shows. Then we cheered when he went to work for Reagan. Later, we supported all three presidential campaigns. Anti-communists, we also joined him in opposing the 1990-01 Gulf War and all the other wars since. Pat also has been a major pro-life leader. I remember in his 96 campaign he came up with the idea that a Republican president should just announce Roe v. Wade was… Read more »
I remember very well Pat Buchanan. I was a 24yo french guy, interested in politics. Because I was center-left in 92, I didn’t listen about him, but I started my way to the right two years later, and I followed is 96 campaign. Before Trump, Buchanan was the only one US politician quite exciting. I have to admit I never understood why US people get crazy about Bush vs Gore or Obama vs McCain. View from the east side of the Atlantic Ocean, they were the same. Protectionism created the wealth and power of America (southerners were certainly more civilized,… Read more »
Thanks for this, I’m always very curious how actual European eyes see what is happening in the States as I realize most of our cousins across the pond have a very different take. 👍
If protectionism is so effective why is France such a dump? Operation Sentinelle is still underway.
If protectionism is part of a confident and productive culture then your country will thrive but if it’s a vain attempt to shield your decrepit tribe from a vigorous foreign culture then you will fall . France is an example of this.
Lol, if you think France is protectionist, you’re as aware as a libtard covidist😂
Bienvenue mon ami!
The trick was moving most workers into the service and financial economy, and then dangling the carrot of cheaper sh!t in front of them.
i remember pat. he was the last conservatives who was conservatives because he loved Americans and America. just as they were
Bill Buckley was a little fancy lad, but the poor guy was kidnapped out of high school and made to work as a cabin boy on a smelly fishing boat.
Here’s a link to a 2010 /three hours/ long interview with Pat Buchanan: https://www.c-span.org/video/?293287-1/depth-pat-buchanan
Enjoy!
The only one of his major books not yet written at the time of that interview was “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” He’s interviewed about that book here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?302026-1/after-words-pat-buchanan
It would seem like one of, if not the first order of business, is to get out from under the the thumb of the (((neocons))). Only then can real changes begin to be implemented.
No the first step is to talk about your own red pill ingestion. These are our stories of awakening. My first was only a partial pill. I kept wondering why Republicans kept trotting out such mediocrities. The first Bush. Dole. Bush II. McCain. Huh? I got another partial dose when Bush II won his second term and had the house and the senate. Here we go. Conservative heaven. But nope. We got another entitlement (prescription drug), more centralization of education, a rules of engagement war in the middle east that put the bravest Americans in unnecessary risk, and the looting… Read more »
yes its like a sunrise in super slo-mo. You could even go back to Reagan who had promised to eliminate the DoE.
Longstreet: “Both courses of reasonable opposition…”
I can think of approximately infinitely many courses of reasonable opposition, but of course describing them would require ipso facto Fed Poasting.
The events of the last 8 or so years would seem to show that accusing the President of being a “Russian asset” is a pretty good strategy.
Typical conservatives: throw away your weapon, congratulate yourself on your honor and virtue.
BTW: story is that the doltish Ike became president of Columbia University because they had wanted his brother, Milton, an actual educator, and some intern called the wrong number.
Speaking of sauce for the gander: “Anathematization of Pat Buchanan.” How ironic: they did to him exact what he and his Church wanted to do to them. Boo hoo.
Fun fact: Milton was president of Penn State and is the reason University Park has its own zip code iirc.
Okay, let’s play that game. You are fine with it happening to Buchanan because you feel he deserved it, but if he and his church had won would it have been equally fine? Is discrimination acceptable when it’s the revenge of a group you feel is oppressed? It seems to me that it should be all or none, but many people, in this modern age, feel like they are qualified to determine who it is acceptable to oppress.
When you own the media you can get away with pretty much anything
I was more of a Mike Royko guy.
Ed Anger a decade later.
Had no idea Ed anger was done by a Canadian lady. John derbyshire was her friend and gave a very nice tribute to her.
IMO the weekly world news had far more credibility than all the birdcage liners put together.
Gen X here. Dude, Joan Jett was 14 in 1972. Nobody had ever heard of her yet. She was basically a nobody until the ’80s. I don’t disagree with you about the boomers, but you gotta get your rock-n-roll trivia straight before you start dissing on an entire generation.
Joan Jett? What in the hell are you going on about?
he’s replying to b125 who commented on not liking boomer music etc
I one got to hang out with Joan and her band with like 30 people at an outdoor show. Super normal, super cool person.
It was a while back…
He’s having a Boomer moment, replying to the wrong comment.
Couldn’t help myself lol
I wonder if he mistakenly meant Joan Baez.
I grew up in a working class town in Massachusetts. The dad’s of most of my friends worked in one of the local factories. It was such a nice town. Pat’s down-to-earth Catholic conservativism was so recognizable to me. Conservative Democrat Governor Ed King was saying much the same thing.
I go back to visit and hate the place. The biggest factory was demolished and is now a shopping center. The working class is simply gone, replaced with liberal assholes and Indian tech workers.
Out went the factories, in came the opiods and the meth. And right on the heels of Reagan’s Big Amnesty. Whether or not there was some master plan to this assault on heartland white America, it couldn’t have worked much better if there had been. The other day I saw a heat map of opiod overdose deaths over the years and it was concentrated most heavily in Appalachia and Missouri/Ozarks. And I thought about not just how many died, but about the offspring they might have had, the lives they might otherwise have led. I’m pretty sure the reason some… Read more »
The pharma family that created those opiods had a clear plan of who to market and sell them too. It is blood curdling to find their statements. Repurcussions despite this? Leftists making T-Shirts calling for their heads? No. They enjoy a life of luxury in Cosmopolitan Capitals and use the money to donate their real homeland and preferred people.
Jeffrey Zoar: “Out went the factories, in came the opiods and the meth… I’m pretty sure the reason some places had lots of pill mills and others had few or none wasn’t just random.” We all know about the Early Life of the Sackler Family Crime Syndicate. But did you know about the Early Life of Brian Cranston? It’s still there, but apparently the sh!tlib NPCs at Wikipedia have removed the obvious external HTML “anchors” to “Early Life”, so you have to delve into the code to find the deep link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Cranston#Early_life ========== Speaking of greater Appalachia, I’ve been convinced… Read more »
Cranston was just on Bill Maher’s show this week sticking up for crt in schools.
He’s respected by younger whites because he pretended to be a tough guy drug dealer for a make believe tv show.
It’s hard not to be hopeless when looking at a true statement like that.
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to find out that Cranston has Tiny hat Roots.
What are the odds?!
For real dude. Gunslingergregi made a f-cking mess of his life and was so caught up in that poison another sad victim of that evil family. I hope he is doing ok now but he was majorly effed up half the time at Chateau Heartiste.
J. Bro. We’re talking about Gunny, here, man. The living breathing sweating bleeding re-incarnation of Saint Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin. In two simple sentences, both questions, Gunny utterly decimated any and all possible sociological theories of multi-racial comity: Q: What do you get when you k!11 b1ack Alphas? Q: B1ack women? That’s why the White race will ALWAYS & FOREVER be on the defensive in the R@ce W@rs: Because Whites have no incentive to go on the offensive and eradicate the chieftans of the other races. That’s why we will always be at war with the j00z & the kneegrowz &… Read more »
There was once a real America, and that is part of what is driving the truecons mad. It’s grief, but no amount of grief is going to bring that country back.
A small example of what has been lost. A while back I was watching a YouTube video about Jim Morrison, singer from the band The Doors, being arrested for exposing himself on stage during a concert in Miami in 1969. The thing that I remember most was the interviews with city and law enforcement officials. They were White guys with Southern accents. Apparently, at least through 1969, Miami still had a White Christian power structure. For decades, Southerners have derisively referred to as Bible thumpers and Holy Rollers. What I saw in these videos were men trying to maintain the… Read more »
The Miami of the Jackie Gleason era was a different world. There a a few big cities that today young people consider desirable places to live. Two that I hear a lot about are Nashville and Austin. It won’t be long before diversity gets to those cities.
Austin is long dead. Nashville is too. Long dead.
Austin? Seriously whoever told you that don’t listen to them.
It’s the Seattle of Texas.
I hope uncle Vlad has a special big one for Austin.
Austin – God’s country filled with Hell’s people.
Aside from the architectural scarring, Austin does have a lot of natural beauty. But the people who inhabit it . . . .
I don’t think the white flight north to Broward and Palm Beach Counties really hit full steam until the 1980s. On the heels of the Mariel boatlift. Now Broward is steadily going the same way as Dade and you’re even starting to see a few Cubans up in Boca Raton.
Any influx of Haitians would be the true harbinger of doom.
The Somalians of the Caribbean–not a film starring Johnny Depp.
I like to watch the old video from Procol Harum Whiter Shade of Pale. It’s interest and sad to see all the footage of an old London that will never be again.
What is the better chance of being arrested: exposing yourself during a music performance, in any big city.
Or, exposing your political or social views, especially regarding certain minorities.
Not that I’m encouraging racisms on stage, but let’s say I’d rather hear Kramer shout the N-word, than see his penis.
It is seriously depressing. I was actually -IN- Miami not long ago and was driving through it circa 2023. When I got back to my hotel a documentary came on talking about how the city came to be and some deep history. Seeing that place in the 50s and 60s with all the golden haired blondes walking around and 90% white and then looking out my window at the barrio and the graffiti and the Cubana music blaring. Jesus, what a difference.
Pat’s “Zulu statement:” I remember that very well. Nobody ever said he was wrong, but they did pile on and shriek, gasp and sputter that he was RACIST. That made him a “bad person.”
How about :
“There are only two groups that are beating the drums . . . for war in the Middle East—the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States.”
Buchanan, a civnat paleocon, demonstrated that civnat paleocons are just as defenseless as libertarians. There’s nothing much ideologically wrong with civnats, paleocons, and libertarians IMO, but they are defenseless against enemies who work within those systems. Nativism and nationalism must be first principles against which no opposition can be tolerated. All political opposition must work within, not against, those principles, or else the nation is sooner or later doomed to decline and fail. Perhaps it is doomed to decline and fail anyway, but absent those principles it is guaranteed. Which is music to the ears of the “citizens of the… Read more »
It is doomed to fail in the natural cycles of nations and civilizations. The problem with what the current crop of failures have done, is to do their best to ensure that the people of the homeland won’t be there to rebuild it and start a new cycle. I think that is the project that Z-Man is advocating for. I also think that is the crux of the debate between Anton and Z-Man. Anton doesn’t think that a people make a nation. He thinks the ideological abstractions make it. He thinks if the abstraction is gone the nation is gone.… Read more »
PeriheliusLux: “The form followed the nature of the people who created it.” That was literally the point of view of the early settlers in the colonies, as they wrote their parish & township & county & state “constitutions” [prior to writing the ultimate federal constitution]: That a “constitution” was a description of that which CONSTITUTED the nature of the colonists. That they were, by their very constitution, of the nature to be allowed to * Worship freely, without any fear that they would worship Gog or Magog or Moloch or Ol’ Scratch Hisself; * Speak freely, without any fear that… Read more »
Anton and his pal Charles Haywood pretend they are on the dissident right, but what they really advocate is a take over of the empire and repurposing the managerial class to the task of doing natural rights and classical liberalism correctly. That’s the whole schtick of Red Caesar. They want to force the “left” out of power (sounds good) and then corral the dissident right towards more “moral” ends, some of which are admirable, but that also include the ideal colorblind society where we put all of our differences aside and focus on space travel or something like that. On… Read more »
Jeffrey
One has to have a soul to feel a sense of shame. There in lies Slick Willies problem.
As someone who’s posted on here before about his experiences as a Buchanan staffer in 1992 and 1996, I have to applaud Z Man for this episode and his thoughts. For the younger guys out there — and I was young in the 1990s — let me just add one thing: we already knew it was lost. Even in December 1991 in New Hampshire, as we went door to door in subzero temps with Pat’s Stars and Bars-themed posters and bumper stickers, we knew we were up against institutions that we couldn’t take down in one or two attempts. The… Read more »
PJB was a brave man. He swam against the tide in the Fall of 1990 as the propaganda was being ramped up for the first Gulf War. When he said “the only two groups beating the drums for war in the Middle East were “the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States”, he earned the forever hate of the chosen with that statement.
“we already knew it was lost”
Thermopylae, then and today.
” The time was out of joint after 9-11″
So it served its purpose.
Ah, you come by your posting handle honestly, Bile.
Yep, Lenora Fulani and the Reform Party debacle was Pat’s biggest mistake. I can understand why he would want to abandon the vehicle of the Republican Party, but the Reform Party thing was a disaster.
Wow! Thank you for sharing that with us. It is greatly appreciated.
Wonderful podcast, thank you. Not selfish at all. It was so nice to be reminded of those great times. My dad was quite fond of Buchanan. He had my dad at his Zulus in Northern VA comment. Buchanan’s books are fundamental reading. I have so much more respect and admiration for Buchanan than I ever could for Trump so it seems strange to connect them. Buchanan is a true gentleman. Trump is brazen and obnoxious. But Trump did manage to re-open that door. Maybe, somehow it had to take a ridiculous person like Trump to expose not only the broken… Read more »
“Losing with honor” is still losing. To “lose with honor” simply means following the rules. But our enemy follows no rules but the dictates of power. He will do anything to maintain himself in the halls of the ruling elites. He will kill our children and sodomize any survivors. He will toss us in gulags, starve us to death, poison us, raid our homes, assassinate us in the street and murder us in our beds. He knows no law but the law of the jungle, a beast whose actions are red in tooth and claw. He will win until we… Read more »
Civil war may indeed by necessary. But there is one other possibility. As AINO collapses under the weight of its own irrationality, and as its power wanes both domestically and abroad, centrifugal forces will be unleashed that allow outlying regions–primarily the mountain west–to become de facto independent territories. If I am right, we won’t have to wade through rivers of blood, we’ll just have to keep our heads above water until AINO dies of exhaustion.
I cannot see the Washington elites just standing by as parts of the US fracture off and go their separate ways. This would certainly lead to civil war. There is precedent, yes? Another possibility is an external shock to the system that it would cease to function as a viable threat to Liberty. An economic collapse would not do this, but a terrific military defeat certainly would. An American defeat and retreat from Europe or Asia—or both—tens of thousands of body bags containing dead US soldiers and the US forced to abandon NATO and cede Hawaii to the Chinese: these… Read more »
It would be less a case of Washington elites standing idly by, and more a case of them being helpless to do anything about it. Washington’s power will almost inevitably weaken, and the people of the hinterlands will sense it.
The issue then would be that the elites would not recognize their impotence, and therefore would engage in hostilities anyway. History is full of such instances.
Nonetheless, their power would be forever gone. Sometimes ruling classes cannot learn but from ghastly military defeats and submitting to the guillotine.
Wars in the ancient world were often elimination wars with entire populations enslaved or killed. Christianity humanized war by making it a contest between different princes for territory within Christendom. Most wars today are not eliminationist wars where one fears losing everything in the case of defeat and will fight to the last man. Instead – they become a calculation of “how much do I care to keep fighting?” When the US ZOG regime increasingly recruits what are essentially mercenaries and foreigners, this test of will in the desire to continue the conflict or abandon it becomes decisive and the… Read more »
You might try William Henley’s “Invictus”.
“I am the master of my fate
I am the captain of my soul.”
No man would think otherwise.
And thank you for that poem.
Mine will be ‘at least I wasn’t afraid to be racist ‘
Mike…..spot on man! A profound observation I have copied and saved. Z–thank you! The overlords have destroyed the rules based society. There are no rules but theirs in an ever shifting quicksand. A majority of people are insane, mass formation, drugged, sated, driven to distraction, neuronal highways destroyed, IQ falling. The rulers will never let us go no matter what happens to them. They are Insane! Demented! Lust for chaos and destruction. The family in Enoch, Utah that was murdered by the insane father-5 kids, mother, step-mother, murdered by the father who then shot himself, that family was 5 miles… Read more »
Furries? What’s that?
“The rulers will never let us go no matter”
That depends on their ability to recruit those willing to fight and die for them, which appears to be rapidly decreasing.
Machiavelli warned about over reliance on mercenaries, whose loyalty is fickle.
I am optimistic this regime will collapse within 50 years, most likely 25 with a proximate cause of the loss of reserve currency status and massive domestic inflation.
A mercenary’s loyalty is to payment.
You also don’t want your tombstone to read “He died in prison.” I agree that we should not obey the perverts and the sodomites, but it’s crucially important to understand that GloboHomoZio will not hesitate to make an example out of you.
As somebody about Sailer’s age, I can vouch for this. I can accept that the America that I grew up in and loved is dead, but it’s very hard emotionally to admit that it’s never coming back, especially since, for a while there, it DID seem to be coming back. Hence the Reagan nostalgia so common among so many of my fellow “Generation Jones” friends. But we need to be like sharks, swimming ever forward.
I came of age in the 1980s in a place in the American South that probably wasn’t much different from what most of America had been like during the post war golden age. It was a great time and place to grow up. Even so, even there, by the time I was in my 30s I began to see that this was no longer the country they told me it was when I was growing up. And that was about 20 years ago. Never mind what all has happened since. So I don’t have much empathy for civnats who think… Read more »
Yes, it is a kind of willful blindness, but it’s driven by the emotions I mentioned above. Understanding this can help people on our side of the divide reach people like that. It’s not just nostalgia, although there is plenty of that – it’s a weird kind of grief, mixed in with the guilty knowledge that somehow, we let it all slip away, and it’s never coming back. Some people, like you, come to that realization sooner than others.
In the ’96 GOP primary, my hopes were sky-high after Pat Buchanan won the New Hampshire against Bob Dole and Lamar Alexander. His anti-NAFTA, anti-mass immigration message was building momentum. Then came Arizona. It seemed like Buchanan could win there, but he didn’t.
I’ll always believe the establishment forces got nervous and engineered a Buchanan loss in Arizona. It was a big disappointment but also eye-opening in understanding just how much nationalism threatens the elite.
I remember some of that race, and the media blitz was unbelievable. All the pundits on both the left and right joined forces to crush him. There wasn’t enough seething hatred in the working class yet, and there were no open forums like 2016 Twitter to fight back, and he lost.
They did. We couldn’t even get in touch with local GOP chairs and county commissioners in South Carolina, where we thought we had the best shot and the most receptive audience. It was like coming up against an Eastern Bloc apparatus. Few wanted anything to do with Buchanan, because they were ordered by the RNC to shut us out. That’s when Pat realized that his Silent Generation’s trust in the Republican Party was misplaced, and led to his Reform Party dalliance. Pat was a writer and orator, not a party-builder, and the results were a disaster for everyone involved. In… Read more »
Thank you. This was another nice take on a great man who has seen his influence only grow at life’s end. For me, Buchanan symbolized the separation of nationalism from so-called “conservatism.” Nationalism is in many ways post-ideological and is an embrace and love of one’s own people as the only philosophy that matters. By 1992, as you mention, the general loathing of Heritage America by the ruling class was open and undeniable. Here was Buchanan’s reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2olwuAy3_og. The most important segment is near the end as Buchanan focuses on what is being done to Heritage America. Those nine or… Read more »
(the important part of that speech starts at 24:19; it’s still chilling)
The lady who put up the video comments, “1992 RNC. I personally dislike the man and the speech…but its significant and not condensed into one video up here yet. So…here you go”
The lady posted it six years ago. Today she either wouldn’t post it due to brainwashing and/or peer pressure and fear. It is startling how much censorship has exploded in the last six or seven years.
Thanks for sending me to the heart of the matter. Wow! The bit about the RK LA riots and taking back our cities, our culture and America made me weep.
He got it all there. You can feel his authentic connection with our people – who never read Edmund Burke but whose hearts hold America. Moral courage. We must find ours but aim it at building our own.
Welcome. The riot part, given the state-sponsored BLM terrorism two decades later, was particularly insightful.
Zman wrote: “Digging into Buchanan’s career, prepping for the show, I came to appreciate why guys like Jared Taylor stop short of criticizing the system itself or why Steve Sailer pines for a return to his salad days in California.”
This is true of a lot of the boomers. They believe/hope that if the system produced that wonderful country once, it can do so again. They have not made the connection that the population running that system had a lot to do with the results. But they are halfway across the divide.
Pat watched in horror at the J6 incident. Normally I would write any writer off then and there, but I’ll make an exception for him. He loved old Americana, and I can sympathize with an 80 year old man who just can’t let it go.
The highest point of American civilization was between 1945 and 1965. Those marvelous, beautiful halcyon days are never coming back. The reason is that the intellectual, physical, spiritual and racial components that made that civilization no longer exist in the quantities needed to reconstruct it. It only survives in the pages of books and in the memories of old men.
I keep pushing it to anyone who’ll listen, the best book I’ve ever read about this era is Golden Dreams by Kevin Starr. It is a magnicent book about what has to be the best time and place ever. Contrast California then with now. It’s horrible that a place could fall that far in relatively little time.
To drive across the Golden Gate in a red Mustang convertible in 1965 while listening to the Beach Boys: Does it get better than that?
Life in San Francisco in the late 80s was still pretty cool. 1994 was the nadir – still a frontier town with the hippies still a fringe, but the wild and individual and unique American spirit. It was cool when it met the spirit of the GenX music and art that had real edge. Silicon Valley too was radically different in culture and people. The transformation that took place just from 1996 to 1998 was an unbelievable shock. I remember thinking, Who are these people and where did they come from? In those days, they were all whites, but they… Read more »
@PL: I had the great fortune to work abroad in East Asia as a young man in the Eighties. My first stop in the mainland always was San Francisco. It was absolutely the most vibrant, beautiful and interesting city in the world at that time and my heart raced as I landed there–for good reasons. Fast forward a few decades, long settled back home in the South, and I return there. Dear God. It truly was a different country and a horrible one, Dante’s Inferno with great scenery. Ditto Australia, maybe times ten. I went there for R&R a lot… Read more »
True. If I could go back to any year in American history, it would be 1962, Cuban missile crisis be damned. And my parents had not even met in 1962. I’m nostalgic for a world I never actually knew.
I’d like to be able to go back to California from about 1965 to 1975. By the 70s the decline was well on it’s way but it was still a wonderland. I like to watch old tv and movies from that era and see what it was like. I know it isn’t real but still what it must have been. One of my favorite movies is Endless Summer, Bruce Brown’s homage to surfing. Look at the people and places, white, clean and beautiful lands.
Buchanan is Cato the Younger
A conservative who railed against the corruption of his day, trying to save the Late Republic.
A proud but ultimately tragic figure who held to his principals but failed.
Back in my early 20’s when I wasn’t as astute politically as I am today, I couldn’t understand why the garden variety republicans were so upset at Buchanan. Two friends of mine who were a bit older than me and who are both devout Catholics explained that Buchanan was trying to get us out of all of the overseas entanglements that the neocons – the first time I ever heard the term – have gotten us into. They also went on about how Pat knew the score with Israel and how the tribe has been steering our foreign policy to… Read more »
Pat was the first one I remember, outside of Rockwell and the JBS, bring up the fact that the tiny hats were guiding most of our foreign policy. I kept waiting for them to find a dead hooker in his hotel or something. That was back before Hillarycide became popular.
Pat Buchanan lived in a nation that was 90% white and 10% black. He had nothing against black people, but he understood that the U.S. was founded as a white nation and achieved greatness because it was a white nation. And he was good with that.
Pat Buchanan also lived in a 95% Christian nation that was not subservient to >2% of the population that was not Christian. Nor was it subservient to a non-Christian foreign country on the Eastern shore of the Mediterranean. And he was good with that, too.
I was listening to the Duran show yesterday on neoconservative failures, which was a great show by the way, I could not help but notice that Duran, who is the older gentleman said that once the neoconservatives fail in their foreign policy adventures he believes America will go back to being the America he knew from the past.
I am also older and remember Buchanan but I don’t think America is going back to what it once was.
Mercouris is far too optimistic about the US.
Both Alexes are mostly in denial we’re on the road to nuclear holocaust.
I’m not sure how one like Duran can possibly believe this. Take away the politics one still has to look at the cultural make up of our own people and realize they are a far cry from principled or decent living folks. So many are micro managed by pot, prescription pills living in non traditional lifestyles all the while living in skins 30% covered in ink.
We ain’t going back without radical change and salvation.
I wonder if Pat ever met Enoch Powell. Seems that they might have had a few things to talk about.
If those two ever met, the oratorical firepower assembled there would have been staggering.
“Pat Buchanan was right!”
Pat used to get together with Sam Francis regularly for dinner, plotting strategy for Pat’s presidential campaigns, where they would talk about appealing to Middle America.
Enoch Powell was one of the finest products of English culture ever to walk the planet, the youngest person to make professor since Medieval times and the youngest to make brigadier-general, a man with an incredible range of skills, competency and dedication, seeped in the best education the world has seen before or since. But Enoch could not drive a car. He complained about military trucks that you only had to take your hands off the wheels for a few moments for them to go about their own way. He once managed to crash four times on a road trip… Read more »
Agreed. Powell was one of the last great Britons. The “Rivers of Blood” speech is the closest I know to Buchanans “culture war” brilliance. Do give that a listen if you haven’t. I linked it above.
Powell may not have been the first case of cancel culture, but he certainly was the most spectacular. No one can claim they were not warned.
Thanks, I’ll give it a try. I must admit I’m not a big enjoyer of political oratory but Powell was in a class of his own. He spent ten years giving stump speeches all over Britain and mastered the rare art of not talking down to the commoners. He always did his homework and mastered all the subject he talked about to perfection and his speeches are models of rhetorical clarity. I’ve been reading his 1,400-page monster biography on-and-off for the last year, and recently got back into it. Powell protested the open borders-policy of the British Nationality Act of… Read more »
“I wonder if Pat recognizes something similar.” Buchanan’s best book imo is A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE, so, yeah. I’m no fan of political oratory, either, but sometimes the speaker matches the times. That’s what happens at around the 24:19 mark in the linked Buchanan speech. Z emphasizes the conciliatory tone at the start but there is a strong belief Buchanan there at the end deliberately sabotaged Bush. I am agnostic on that point. I have not read the massive Powell biography but intend to do so. He truly was a renaissance man, wasn’t he? People think the RIVERS speech… Read more »
Yes. Tory heavyweight Michael Heseltine opined that after the RoB-speech Powell would’ve won both the Tory chairmanship and the general election with landslide numbers, and he was even more popular amongst Labour voters than Conservatives. That’s why they pulled the trigger on him and why no Tory ever campaigned on immigration again. Winning an election on a hardline immigration platform is still verboten, not just in Britain but in the entire Western hemisphere. Here’s a cough, cough, ad-free copy for anyone with an open format ebook reader: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=7A590046A9D68ACE421EC997163DE810 The Wiki on him is surprisingly decent too, with this prophetic snippet… Read more »
Thanks for the link, man.
Just remember guys , Pat retired only from writing his column. Still alive and hopefully will show up here and there maybe even publish something.
“pines for a return to his salad days in California” That hits home hard. The old man was born in sunny Southern California in 1943. Perhaps the greatest place, in the greatest time to be alive. He understands intellectually that we live in a low trust society, but he doesn’t feel it in his bones the way I do. I was a late arrival and my older siblings, although not as bad as the old man, don’t feel it either. He just can’t wrap his brain around the concept that they aren’t stupid, and that they are doing what they… Read more »
McCleod, I fled San Fran long after your Dad fled CA. It sounds like he was part of the first wave of CA emigrants in the early 80s, who were the first to recognize which way the wind was blowing. If someone would have asked your Dad, shortly after he left, why he left, what would he have said?
He would have said what he says today. I saw the writing on the wall. He went to the local elementary school (Orange County) to check things out before my brother started school (late 70’s?). The principal told him that they had the best remedial reading program in the area. The guy running the school was proud the kids couldn’t read. Taxes going up, cost of living going up, MASSIVE influx of people, and to top it off he would have bear the cost of sending his kids to private school. He, to the original point, thought, and thinks, the… Read more »
Had the hispanic invasion started yet in Orange County?
LineInTheSand-I also was born in Southern California and left in the 70’s. Trying to remember why I left – great question – too many people comes to mind.
> He just can’t wrap his brain around the concept that they aren’t stupid, and that they are doing what they are doing with the intention to cause destruction.
This thinking is endemic among Boomers and the remaining Silents. Their unwillingness to call evil “evil” is a huge impediment to any change for the better.
The older generations are more conservative on average and certainly more competent than the younger generations. The world will lose a lot when they pass, but that faulty threat recognition needs to be purged from the populace before we can begin to heal society.
Like a lot of GenX I’ve met, I was born in CA and my parents moved us out while I was young. When I see old pictures, I recognize it as home. When I’ve visited, I don’t. First time, when I was about 20, a friend invited my band along on his band’s west coast tour. Several venues, mostly in CA, demanded we send ahead our songs’ lyrics, to be judged for political acceptability. Our songs didn’t have lyrics. One place refused us based on a song title. Old punks know which place. The “tranny janny” school of wokeness was… Read more »
Pat has a dignity, even nobility, which makes me want to serve under him. They truly don’t make ‘em like that anymore.
Friends have been asking me lately why I’m hard on boomers, so I was forced to think about it. Fundamentally, it’s what appears to me to be defeatism— that sense of loss of something that isn’t coming back Z mentions. I was born in the 80s, so I haven’t had that experience, and so to me it looks like a losing attitude, and I despise losers (not people who fail but who give up). It sucks having to live in the wake of that loss, because of the task ahead, but it’s also the advantage of not having anything to… Read more »
Boomer stuff seems lame to me. Like, how many times do we need to hear the same rock songs? Like cool, dude, you got really drunk in 1972 and saw Joan Jett. Even the way they dress, the way they talk is lame. They’re huge pussies for the most part. Now they’re killing themselves in Canada as soon as they get a cancer diagnosis. And fuck their social liberalism too. I don’t feel sad about what’s been lost from the Boomers until now – nothing was lost, that’s just changing demographics. We lost alot between pre-Boomer centuries during the Boomer… Read more »
What we had was hope. I screwed up, I have time to make it better. I lost money, hey, it’s America, I can make it back. Work hard, save, I can own a home. My kids would have a real chance at a better life than I did. I really get why GenX and Millenniums have such a hard on for Boomers, but was it really our responsibility to GUARANTEE you a good life? Every now and then a generation has to embrace the suck just because. WW2 was probably the last semi-just cause to die for but maybe the… Read more »
WW2 destroyed Europe and her people. It also cemented the US as a global empire. If those who paid with their lives could see the rainbow mess we live in now, would they say it was semi-just?
Boomers were the consequence of a bad war.
I’m Gen-X and I don’t have a hard-on for boomers. Hell, both of my parents are boomers and they are NOT like what many people bitch about. Despite the fact that my dad came from a blue-blood family, you won’t find the typical yankee attitude from him, or anyone else in his family. Ever since I can remember, he’s bitched about the left and how they’ve destroyed the country. He’s also never shied away about the repubs either, always screaming, “Why won’t these pussies fight! They act too much like gentleman, it’s like watching the Giants play!” Mom came from… Read more »
Here, but both sides are from Wales. Came over in 1701/1703. Settlers, not immigrants. Wales is pretty much cucked now, like GB and Ireland. Then again, being from the US I can’t throw stones.
was it really our responsibility to GUARANTEE you a good life?
It was your responsibility to not leave America in a worse state than you found it.
I’m not a Boomer-hater, I’m borderline boomer myself. But they – and the GenX’ers – fucked up. We’re only just starting to understand how much.
“WW2 was probably the last semi-just cause to die for”
Yikes. Fighting for communism against people fighting against communism who did not remotely threaten your nation is never good
To be fair, which side had the semi-just cause was not expressly specified.
That knowledge includes remembering that America was once mostly white and functioned properly.
Nothing wrong with that.
Don’t be too hard on us boomers and not all of us are defeatist in our attitudes.
Pat Buchanan was a fighter and an honorable man who was a boomer.
Respect your elders.
I believe Patrick was born before 1946. Need to check this. I was born in 1945 and my mother called me a War Baby. Our high school graduating class of 1963 was very excited and hopeful about a bright future. Then on November 22, 1963, you could say that The Sixties began. The Boomers took over from there.
The oldest Boomer was seventeen years old when Kennedy was assassinated.
Eh, no offense, but shut up. Or better yet, learn how to tie your shoes and grow up. Quit pissing and moaning about your inane culture war shit and do something with your life other than consuming.
I think a lot of that perception is that younger people like us simply weren’t around to experience the events that the Boomers did.
The same thing applies to even younger people that weren’t around for the 80s.
I’ve discussed that with friends re: millennials. The ones born in the 80s weren’t nursed on Barney and the internet; at least vaguely remember the end of the Cold War, LA riots, and pre- crime bill violence; remember 9/11 vividly; took the brunt of the War on Terror (along with younger X). Significant differences in outlook from ones born in the 90s as a result, it seems.
(For the record, I was born in ‘80, so technically X, but lets say grunge wasn’t my thing 😀)
Gen X here. Dude, Joan Jett was 14 in 1972. Nobody had ever heard of her yet. She was basically a nobody until the ’80s. I don’t disagree with you about the boomers, but you gotta get your rock-n-roll trivia straight before you start dissing on an entire generation.
What I despise about the Boomer is that they could be instrumental in helping the DR. They have money and they don’t have to worry about losing their jobs by publicly supporting our causes. Some are retired lawyers who could set organizations to sue companies and other organizations for discrimination. Sure they’d lose, but they’d put a spotlight on Jim Snow laws. Some are retired real estate guys who could help us start developing our own neighborhoods. Some know local politics and could help our people start to gain local footholds. Etc. But they don’t. They put their heads in… Read more »
Could be that guys like you would turn on them in a minute if the shit hit the fan. Why risk your ass for someone who hates you by default based on when you were born? I am one of the Boomers who has stood up to be counted at work, church and socially. I have also watched as the secret “Loud and Proud” DR people I know who are Z and X disavow me as quickly as the government on Mission Impossible when I do.
He’s got a point in that boomers were far more effective at organization. For Millies and younger, though things seem to be shifting somewhat with zoomers, crapping off a text message or DM or Discord chat or whatever is more than adequate to get stuff rolling. No, IRL face time is where the real work gets done.
Perhaps, I should have said that I despise the majority of Boomers. Of course, I realize that many are trying to help. It’s just that Boomers have the one thing that younger don’t have: You can’t get fired! As long as you have some friends who agree with you and will stick by you, they can’t destroy your life. They can destroy my life so I have to be incredibly careful. White Boomers have a chance to start something huge, to help create a future for their grandchildren. Plants some damn trees already. Who cares if younger generations give you… Read more »
Im a tail end boomer and I also despise what my generation has allowed to happen. But as a small business owner its impossible to deny that the millennials and gen-xers I employ are lazy and entitled.
“I’m sure glad that I’ll be dead when all that bad stuff happens. Heh, heh, heh.”
I have a friend who talks about ‘Marxists’ and ‘commies’ completing their takeover, bemoans the sorry and fractured state of the young-uns, says he feels lucky to have at least experienced America. To which I respond by asking if he thinks it’s odd that government (Democracy!) and corporations (Capitalism!) are the leading supporters of the same. Then I ask if he thinks antifa, the squad, Tik Tok purple hairs, etc., seem like formidable, conquering sorts, how it sometimes looks to me like an entertaining movie for those who ‘won’t be around to suffer’. Finally, I ask if he thinks this… Read more »
A couple of thousand (reasonably well-off) Boomers could change the world one last time and change it in a way that helps their own grandkids for the love of God.
Why don’t they do it?
Who knows? I tell myself it’s not fair to ask Priam to buckle on the armor, and leave it at that. Past time to adult, as they say. Plus, it’s a chance to leave a mark that can’t be claimed by somebody else.
Citizen- I’m gonna have to go NAXALT on you, or in this case NABALT! Haha! (I’m a boomer, a tail-end boomer though)
Obviously, there are plenty of good Boomers, but it drives me nuts that they could change so much but don’t.
Imagine what a few European-American organizations that were run and financed by respectable looking Boomers could do. Yeah, they’d catch a crazy amount of shit, but the vitriol thrown at them would show other whites how hated they are.
Also, imagine them suing companies for discriminating against whites. Those companies would have to publicly talk about how much they don’t like whites. They’d also have to divulge a lot of information.
I could go, but you get the point.
I’ll just put my experience of boomer parents out here:
Have millions of dollars, keep a grip on that money tighter than a nun’s pussy, and expect me to be their free lawyer, accountant, carpenter, plumber, electrician, personal chef, housekeeper, and therapist. More concerned about me preserving their art collection than if I ever get married and have kids.
The “Me” generation indeed.
I see this all the time here in Oregon with the “native born” crew. I meet a lot of them through my various (yes totally lame) “conservative” meetups and get-togethers. They’ll happily nod along in agreement about gun rights or even immigration but seem strangely nonchalant when younger White people express doubts about their future in the state and talk about relocating. I think some of the problem in the Western US at least is that these states, even including CA, were fairly sparsely settled until after WWII. As a result a lot of the older people still have quite… Read more »
i don’t think boomers feel defeated at all. it’s not a defining characteristic. just the opposite in fact. not defending or praising them, just don’t think they are as you say.
A good many aren’t, for sure. But those who are might as well be working for the other side, if you ask me. Same with the young crowd, but they’re at least capable of doing less damage, even if they tend to do it more directly.
And I’ll also say I don’t put it all on boomers. This has been going on since well before they were born, but it’s that defeatism that’s crept in that really gets to me. Maybe a function of my personality as much as anything else.
Yes. As one who grew up in California and Hawaii in the ’50’s and ’60’s , I understand where Buchanan and other Paleos are coming from. Most “Americans” living today don’t have a clue as to what has been lost. It’s a pity but there’s no going back. Gone with the wind.
Was the Boomer life really that good? If they were really happy, it seems like drugs, degeneracy and hedonism wouldnt have had such an allure. They destroyed their own way of life which, to me, suggests that they were not very happy in the first place.
Any life twenty years ago or farther is better than the debauchery we live through now.
You don’t know and I can’t tell you.
in the 60’s, in socal, a man with with an aerospace job could have a house at the beach, and another in the mountains. his wife didn’t need to work, and his kids attended public schools that were all white and the best in the nation. the tv series The Wonder Years is pretty damn accurate in this regard. and no one worried about affording medical care. so yeah, it really was sweet. oh yeah, no AIDS and no condoms!
the drugs and debauchery was really only about. small sliver of the population, and was wildly exaggerated by the media.
I’ve been watching a lot of Perry Mason on Pluto TV recently and I know what you mean. Yes, there was degenerate rot going on in places like Hollywood, but in the main it appears as a highly functional, truly progressive, socially cohesive world. A white world. I grew up in the Reagan era and while it wasn’t nearly as clean cut, it was still cohesive and, perhaps more so than the 50’s/early 60’s, people were generally upbeat and positive. That can’t be underestimated. While none of that is going to “come back” we also shouldn’t let those memories die.… Read more »
i love Perry Mason! have the entire series on hard drive – without any commercials. it captures what socal used to look and be like without really trying. am a big Paul Drake fan 😛
After watching many hours, I’m still struggling to answer the question, “Is Della Street hot?” I can’t quite figure it out.
“Is Della Street hot?” Yes. Next question?
she *could* be and she was definitely supposed to show amorous feelings towards Perry. But…they could only push that angle so much (which wasn’t much at all) due to Raymond Burr being gay. He just never was going to be able to project any heat towards Della. too bad they didn’t pair Della with Paul; that would have generated all kinds of sparks!
Bill Hopper was the standout in a great cast. My mom was a working TV actress and was on two PMs. She unfortunately didn’t get to work with any of the cast. We also love PM-the Sixties modernism is so good and as a retired lawyer I enjoy the collegiality in court (it was really like that).
I don’t have Pluto and instead watch PM of MeTV on a pair of $10 dollar rabbit ears. Most of the lineup is good for the soul (with the exception of M*A*S*H) and a reminder that this place once did work. Sat morning cartoons and Mayberry just feel right in the background of life and help insulate one from modernity.
Pluto is a free app you can run on your PVC, tablet, phone. They have all the old stuff in dedicated channels. For example, there is a Johnny Carson channel. There are channel for old 70’s game shows, which is interesting as they used young unknown actors to pretend to be people off the streets. Then and now, everything from Hollywood was fake.
PB’s Death of the West was probably the third or fourth dissident book I ever read, right after Alien Nation, Redneck Manifesto, and Turner Diaries. Those books were guideposts to this side of the GD.
A bit off topic but does anyone know a good source for, and a good way to play, dissident audiobooks? I’m getting slowly back in shape and one thing I do to burn some calories is listen to audiobooks on the treadmill. I have this app called Libby that allows you to take books out from the local libraries and listen to them but something tells me they’re not going to offer the books you mentioned.
If people know of other tributes to Pat Buchanan, perhaps put a reference here in the comments?
For example, Tom Woods -who is the kind of person to make “smart libertarian” not quite so much of an oxymoron- did a recent show on Pat on his podcast.
Also, consider Pat’s videos on C-span. Plenty of videos where he’s giving a talk about his books: https://www.c-span.org/person/?3578/PatrickJBuchanan
A great American. I’m thinking of buying another copy of “Suicide of a Superpower” off Amazon.
Pat is interviewed about that book at: https://www.c-span.org/video/?302026-1/after-words-pat-buchanan#