Turf Wars

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In the political heyday of Conservative Inc., back in the Bush years, Karl Rove would speak about the benefits of “big tent” conservatism. The main upside was that it provided a winning coalition politically. This not only gave the people controlling it power, it made it easier for the coalition they assembled to ignore their differences, as there would be plenty of goodies for everyone. This was the theory behind the FDR coalition that ruled politics for half a century.

The Rove argument never held together for the simple reason that most of the people in this new coalition were never going to get anything. They were being lied to by the neoconservatives who seized control of the conservatism. Their singular quest was to use the American empire to further the long term goals of the neocons. This became clear in the Bush years where we got pointless wars of choice, a massive expansion of government and the creation of a police state.

That said, there was some bit of truth in the Rove claim. A successful political movement is always making compromises with itself. Regardless of the types of politics, practical necessity means cutting corners when it comes to ideology. The communists figured this out after they gained control of Russia. This means there is always going to be tension between the true believers and the ambitious. Success is what allows both sides to look past these differences.

Again, this was true with the communists in Russia. When they were easily crushed by the tsarist system, they spent their time squabbling with one another. When the tsarist system began to wobble and victory became a possibility, the various factions of Russian communism came together to fight the system. The Bolshevik coalition held together through the resulting civil war. Once victory was achieved, the factions began to go at one another.

There is much more to it than that, of course, but the point is that winning and the prospect of more winning can keep opposites attracting. Logically, losing or the dim prospects of winning will highlight the differences. That is what we are seeing inside the conservative industrial complex. The array of ideological groups is starting to turn on one another as their prospects dim. Faced with a shrinking pie and a growing threat from outsider politics, they are turning on one another.

For example, we have this post from the submissions editor of National Review Online attacking the Claremont people. The first thing to note is the post was published in the far-left conspiracy site The Daily Beast. The cozy relationship between people in the conservative ecosystem and the people they claim to oppose has always been a tell, but this is like satire of that old dynamic. If NRO was anything like it claims, Jack Butler would have been fired immediately.

The other thing to note is that the post is supposed to be a rant against the internet character Bronze Age Pervert, but it is an effort to purge Claremont. This may explain recent behavior of some Claremont people. Behind the scenes, where money changes hands and the donors do their best Randolph and Mortimer Duke impressions, a decision has been made to do something about Claremont. Jonah Goldberg’s flunky Jack Butler is playing the Billy Ray Valentine role.

Alternatively, the yesterday men of National Review may simply be going to their Trotskyite roots and taking a shot at the winners of the internal power struggle within the conservative entertainment wing. Claremont did not roll out a real person to respond to this attack and instead used an internet character. This post at American Greatness is mostly laughing at the ridiculousness of that Butler post. He restates the dissident case against conservatism made a decade ago.

In fairness, this spat is between low ranking parties in the conservative industrial complex and may not reflect what is happening inside it. Both National Review and American Greatness struggle to stay in business. The former relies on school children to produce much of their content. the latter relies mostly on unpaid volunteer writers to produce its content. Their respective not-for-profit operations take in a few million per year according to their tax returns.

In comparison, the neocon outfit American Enterprise Institute takes in over $100 million per year and has its tentacles wrapped around the Republican Party. Similarly, The Heritage Foundation takes in over $100 million and remains the primary engine for Reagan nostalgia in the system. Then you have the left-libertarian Cato Institute that takes in $30 million to promote globalism. In other words, two pipsqueak operations beefing with one another is a tempest in a teapot.

The billion dollar thicket of not-for profits that controls the conservative ecosystem remains unified in its opposition to the people they claim to represent. In other words, at the top of the system, the three legs of conservatism remain on reasonable terms with one another, mostly sharing the same donors. Endless war (AEI), liberal internationalism (Cato) and romance for a long lost past (Heritage) continue to hoover up cash to animate the shuffling husk of conservatism.

Even so, the turf wars between the low ranking soldiers of conservatism suggest the system has far deeper problems than personal squabbles among some of the circus freaks they put on stage. The institutions that control funding of conservative operations are now clearly suffering from Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy. These operations care only about hoovering up as much cash as they can in order to keep the leadership of these groups in the lifestyle they think they deserve.

This is why they failed to thwart the Trump insurgency in 2016 and why they are struggling to produce a coherent alternative for 2024. The slobbering over Nikki Haley and Tim Scott suggests they have learned nothing. It is also why they have failed to coopt ideas and people from the dissident space. A guy like Bronze Age Pervert should have been easy to crush or corrupt, but the system is now too sluggish and stupid to handle such tasks. It is a fighter past its prime.

All of that said, we are a long way from see the collapse of Conservative Inc., even as its influence fades to black. Even so, it is encouraging to see it pick fights with itself, as it confirms it is entering the end stage. From the dissident perspective, this dispute between Team Claremont and Team Buckley is like seeing your ex-wife drive your new Mercedes over a cliff. You hate to see BAP get singled out for extra treatment, but the bigger picture makes it tolerable.


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SicSemperLibertarians
SicSemperLibertarians
1 year ago

The CATO Institute — BTW, why the caps? There is a slew of funny alternate acronyms I hope — really are POS. Yes, I know many pre-yuppie libertarians discovered this fact first. At this point they are straight up laying cuckoo’s eggs in the remains of the American right. It’s not just WSJ open borders religion any more, they are a vector of cosmotarian revenge, whether it’s for hire or not. From some occasional shots taken by Joel Kotkin, a California-centric non-conservative who shows up in the Claremont-sphere from time to time, I learned of their coordination with YIMBY i.e.… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

The American Mind podcast two weeks ago discussed immigration. Effectively they just stated the fact that at least 50-60 million illegals are in America. Then they said on one extreme you have send them home and on the other you have keep it coming. They had no stance, no interesting analysis. Feckled. ConInc has its plan. You have Haley/Scott. They used their majority to penetrate DIE into the financial services committees far deeper and wider than Maxine Waters ever did. Their big prize is in Virginia. You have Carlyle Group being represented by Glenn Youngkin and at his side a… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

The future of the DR is in a ground game to support the parents and children of all such savagery against our people. Being of service to our people who increasingly need it is how the movement grows. Whoever is there, in a meaningful way, when they need help is who they will trust and listen to in a system that is not to be trusted.

William Williams
William Williams
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

That, and beating up select School Board members.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

RealityRules: Yes, this will happen more and more but no, it will not be impossible to ignore. There are quite few in the Dissident Right whose parents forced them to attend integrated schools where they were robbed or beaten or verbally abused almost daily. Vast majority of parents still send their kids to public schools where the demographics worsen year by year. Parents will no longer sacrifice to protect their children – they wouldn’t want to be thought of as rayciss. That’s not nice.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Spot on. This really got kicked into gear in the Seventies and Eighties when students from nice ‘burbs were bused to inner city schools. Those former students are the most based people I know. So are some of their parents who still had delusions.

As for those Whites mostly being in public schools still, that’s largely confined to non-diverse regions (not that there aren’t other problems). Urban public school districts are almost exclusively non-White in most places.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Heck, the attending a bad school to receive daily beatings from youfs effect even worked on Howard Stern for many years until the coof hysteria reset him to his normal tribal predilections.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

or was that when his handlers finally activated him

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I suspect it’s more a product of the IQ decline that Dutton writes about. Whites are adapting to the environment to behave more like blacks with r-selected low parental investment child rearing. Sending your kid off to a public school full of jungle bunnies is simply acknowledging that you view your child as a disposable inconvenience.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

@3g4me

Bingo – you are spot on. Being called racist is far worse than losing a child to black savagery. The country is truly lost. Only a separate nation can have any chance of escaping the worship of the criminal race.

And for anyone who tells me to stop calling them the “criminal race”, GFY. They are a cancer on the world, and there is no convincing me otherwise.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Tired Citizen
1 year ago

They are violent, dangerous creatures.

To be avoided at all cost.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

It will be ignored until it happens to the “right” people. By then, it will be too late to fix.

fakeemail
fakeemail
1 year ago

“Karl Rove would speak about the benefits of “big tent” conservatism. The main upside was that it provided a winning coalition politically.” A winning coalition just BARELY in the 2000s. Lots of conservatives were indignant at the hispandering of Rove/Bush to squeak out the weakest possible victories. The whole point of W. (as fantasized by conservatives) was that Reagan would return and all would be right with White Chrisitian America again. But W. of couse Dubay’ed and we had endless war, bailed out banks, and open borders unabated even after 9/11. There was no joy in Mudville, Reagan would not… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

Convincing white Christian Americans that he gave a damn about them was Dubya’s greatest accomplishment. They bear some percentage of the blame for being hoodwinked. As time goes by, I think probably the majority of it. When you get lied to repeatedly, sooner or later there comes a point when it’s your fault for believing it, not their fault for lying. This has been very much on my mind as I look around at Civnat G. Normiecon’s support for the regime’s efforts in Ukraine.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

“Fool me once. . .shame on you. . .fool me twice. . .you can’t get fooled again!” -Dubya

c matt
c matt
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

I liked his other one better:

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time – and those are the ones to concentrate on.

William Williams
William Williams
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

>>>sooner or later there comes a point when it’s your fault for believing it, not their fault for lying.

As a former subscriber to ‘National Review’, I heartily endorse this eternal truth.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

Great post, fakeemail. Actually, anything that has appeared to be economic prosperity since Nixon took us totally off the gold standard has been an illusion. Come to think of it, go all the way back to the Devil’s midwifery of the Fed in 1913. Reagan accomplished much, and could have accomplished more, had he had people around him who supported his vision. David Stockman’s book, ‘The Triumph of Politics”, leaves no doubt as to the treachery in Washington during the ’80s. Congress was never going to balance the budget, despite its promises when the blessed tax cuts were passed. Even… Read more »

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

Conservatives assumed it would stay this way given Reagan’s landslide victories. But that was not the plan and that was not what happened. Once Clinton was in, Reagan and the 80s were quickly memory-holed…

The Reagan era ended with Poppa Bush, not Clinton.

America is a very large and diverse place, any given year is the aggregation of multiple trends in different sectors all moving to their own rhythms.

So no era, good or bad, is going to last long. And there is absolutely no going back to an imagined past.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

The 60s and 70s had really made my Dad lose faith in the USA. Reagan revived his faith, at least for a few years. Maybe we could turn the country around after it had gone so wrong. Since my Dad ran a small business, balancing the budget was very important to him. Aside from the promise of rolling back the cultural revolution, the hope of getting the country’s finances under control really inspired him. Later on, he was so disappointed to learn that the size of government grew under Reagan and that the big rearmament of the military was paid… Read more »

Severian
1 year ago

Great column, but that’s not at all where I thought you were going with that title. I figured you’re having as much fun as I am watching the Left’s little warlords staking out their various turfs in the sucking power vacuum that is Brandon’s DC. I guess the Left deserves some kind of credit for keeping that “eternal victim” mentality. I don’t know how they managed, but it kept them from the worst effects of Victory Disease. But now it’s obvious to even the most dimwitted of Leftist true believers that they control everything, so they’re starting to get a… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Crying out in pain as you strike at people tends to keep you in a mindset that you aren’t actually “winning”. Remember the wisdom of George Costanza: “It’s not a lie if you believe it.”

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

I wouldn’t underestimate how many of the rank and file leftists, particularly the younger ones, believe they are living in/fighting against a right wing dystopia

I’m aware how preposterous it is, how divorced from reality, but they believe it all the same. It is hard to encapsulate their insanity with words

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

It really is stunning how they pull off this mental feat. They re-frame getting 90% of what they want as living under “far-right oppression.” Every little hiccup in the progressive project becomes “proof” of their righteousness. How many times have we listened to how the world is becoming a real life Handmaiden’s Tale since Roe being overturned. One minor hiccup and they think we’re on the verge of an alleged (I haven’t read the book) anti-woman dystopia.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Leftists are disengaged from reality because they have to be. They create a fantasy world filled with dragons to slay. Their “solutions” are for imaginary problems, but the effects of those solutions have real world ramifications. Again however, all this is necessary because, for the Left to survive, it has needs be at war with the status quo. And for there to be a war, there must be horrific problems (racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.) to solve. And if there are no real problems of any consequence, they must be conjured ex nihilo. It is the only way the Left can… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

” a fantasy world filled with dragons” The need to slay dragons, and making the nation with the most nukes the hobgoblin du juor, has made this a very dangerous moment. We cannot discount that much of the brass is just as delusional and detached from reality. I once thought if a nuclear warhead was thought to be near launch these types would soil themselves, flee from Martha’s Vineyard and call the whole thing off. I’m no longer sanguine on that point. I don’t want to live in the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust but given those in authority over… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Severian mentions, “watching the Left’s little warlords staking out their various turfs in the sucking power vacuum that is Brandon’s DC.”

I enjoy watching the battles of the various victim groups because you get a sense of which are most powerful at the moment.

In the past, blacks steamrollered over feminists, when feminists complained about misogyny in hip hop.

Today, h0mo black Don Lemon is taking a beating because he said that Nikki Haley was past her prime. I would have expected h0mo black to beat multiracial feminism.

ray
ray
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

The Anglo nations are not ruled by blacks. Righties gotta let go of this sweet teat. Blacks do not drive policy in the Anglo nations. Instead, Anglo nations are ruled by the collective power of women, expressed ideo-politically as feminism. Been that way for 50 years in America already. To take but one example, blacks do not indoctrinate the new generations with Woke. Women are the source of that propaganda, from K to doctorate. Men — including ‘conservative’ and ‘Christian’ men — have spent the past half-century doing everything in their power to ignore the reality that their wives, daughters,… Read more »

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  ray
1 year ago

Spot-on. You nailed it.

The women have not been put in their place, collectively, in more than 50 years.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

They use these silly “tempest in a teapot” squabbles as proof of how “healthy” conservatism is because it has “vigorous debate” within conservatism.

All of these outfits need to lose their not-for-profit tax exempt status. The tax code has turned most charities into money laundering outfits while also allowing the super wealthy to maintain huge propaganda mills.

It’s clowns all the way down.

Compsci
Compsci
1 year ago

“The slobbering over Nikki Haley and Tim Scott suggests they have learned nothing.” I agree, but for a different reason/example. After the 2020 and especially the 2022 elections, these groups quickly and completely rejected any aspect of election corruption and fraud. They all circled the wagons. Indeed, any mention of such by others—say call-in’s to their talk shows—were completely rejected and the callers never allowed to speak or present evidence of their claims. They were demonized as “nutters”. This remains the case in my State especially. That “the game is rigged” is not allowed to be discussed and the official… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

The problem for the right, re: ballot harvesting, is that there’s no one stop shop for massive numbers of R votes like the left has with college campuses. Previously, 80-90% of those kids usually couldn’t be bothered to vote, but now, they are close to 100% voting D. Legally.

There was nothing wrong with R turnout in 2020. It was unprecedented. I’m dubious that ballot harvesting will be enough to make up the difference.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

“we are a long way from see the collapse of Conservative Inc., even as its influence fades to black.”

Enter Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. Conservative Inc. will never be Sari as they fade to black.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Spot on, except the court loves getting involved in electoral politics, just not on the Republican side. It’s the courts which have allowed foreigners to vote in our elections. When gay marriage couldn’t even pass in California by voting, the courts came riding in to the rescue.

For the most part, the courts are just another arm of the Democrat party. Law itself is completely captured by the progressives in the Democrat party. There are only a couple of other fields which compare in their progressive chops to the field of law.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

It’s because the Amish are overrepresented in the legal profession.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
1 year ago

Maybe I’m too much of a grouch but I find the Claremont types to be without self awareness when they talk about conservative inc. I mean ffs they are still sort of conservative Inc but a spicier variant. same with Breitbart.

Someone like the comedian Dave Smith or the mises caucus seem much more truly outside the box.

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1 year ago

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Con Inc was successful at its primary mission, which was kneecapping popular (very popular) opposition to the GR until it was a fait accompli. I know this was their primary mission because they chose it over gaining power. Not much can make those folks eschew wielding power, but we have seen what does. The GR is just that important to them.

NoOneImportant
NoOneImportant
1 year ago

“Endless war (AEI), liberal internationalism (Cato) and romance for a long lost past (Heritage)” — One thing they all agree on is prioritizing corporate profits and minorities over the well-being of white Americans.
On a semi-related note, one of the Z man’s best insights was to describe the “neoconservatives” as hyper-violent liberals.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  NoOneImportant
1 year ago

Speaking of endless war, I was interested in seeing just how many people would show up at the Lincoln Memorial’ “Rage Against the War Machine” protest. I know very well that it was assorted cranks who put this event on. But one thing about cranks, I’ve known a lot of cranks, the kind who live in Ojai, and places like that, they can have flashes of truth in their meandering thoughts as they burn incense in their living rooms. One of those flashes of truth is that we are indeed a horrifying, dangerous, imperial war state. So it made me… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

As recently as 2008 the left was still the peace party. Or thought it was. The grassroots of it anyway. Now there’s not even any pretense of being so. In less than 15 years.

I’ve seen it personally too, the pink pussy hat wearing wife of a friend who once thought Dick Cheney was satan incarnate, now wants his daughter to run for president.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

So sad. And the left is the real power nexus in this country so it only tells me that with this mindset a foreign policy tragedy is a near certainty. And I don’t mean a fiasco like the Afghan pullout or the Iraq war. Something worse.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

I’m afraid you’re right, JR. Irrational people in complete control of the world’s largest military and stockplile of armaments cannot be a good thing. Inevitably, their madness will produce a monstrous misstep. Or perhaps a manifestly evil demarche.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Ostei Kozelskii: “Irrational people in complete control of the world’s largest military and stockplile of armaments cannot be a good thing.” We make a very grave categorical error when we posit that the Sanhedrin of the Frankfurt School are irrational. We can certainly observe that the Sanhedrin MANIPULATE the innate insanity of the deep inner Hajnalian sh!tlib personality type, but the insanity and the manipulability belong to the sh!tlib, rather than to the Sanhedrin. We could even hypothesize that the Sanhedrin are playing with [psycho-sociological] fire, and might be taking more risks than would be actuarially prudent on their part.… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Anyone seen Cindy Sheehan lately?

Anyone?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

To Sheehan’s credit, she still is advocating against war. The media embargo has been total, which is why you don’t know that. If this insanity goes hot, Biden and Garland will put Wilson and Palmer to shame and Ms. Cindy will be lucky if she just does time in the D.C. Gulag.

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

You live in a gynocracy. Have for many decades. The hidden dynamo of the gynocracy is the ‘conservative’ and ‘Christian’ daddies of daughters. Add this demographic onto the collective political power of women, combined with the ‘minorities’ of POCs, LGBTQ, massive ‘immigration’ and elites, and you have an unassailable and permanent majority. Once daddy has a precious princess, he becomes an instant feminist for life. He will call himself a conservative, he will call himself a Christian and a servant of God, and he will deny the label feminist with all his might . . . but he is a… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

People were probably a little skittish about being thrown in a DC dungeon for years pending trial and without probable cause of any kind. And speaking of where are the civil liberties leftists of yore – I just read that one of the J6ers was blinded in one eye after being beaten by a guard.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 year ago

The orange menace is gone. Anyone in that town and surrounding area was free to stand there on the mall and sip a non-fat latte and no one showed up. There’s just no appetite for anything resembling not bombing people for five minutes. Only five or six hermits on the very far left and a tiny peppering over hatchback driving libertarians.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 year ago

Everything the Left once claimed as a foundational belief–see, for instance, free speech–they now renounce wholeheartedly. This is no mere cynicism, it is black nihilism. It is who they are. ’14

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

I also watched and for the same reasons, and I reached the same conclusions. The Regime felt no reason to use Antifa and/or the FBI to disrupt the event precisely because it is toothless and retro cosplay. Some people may think I’m a monomaniac about it, but we are in greater danger of dying in a nuclear war than any time since the weapons were developed. A best case scenario at this point is a massive, financially crippling conventional war. It is the same madness we witnessed in the run-up to the Iraq War times 1,000. White Southerners and Midwesterners… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I think you’re right.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

I agree, however, if they re-instituted a draft, how many people would actually comply?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

@steve: That’s the problem they face. Everyone knows Shaneeka and Shitavious will not comply, and Juan and Maria probably won’t, but Jeb and Sue and Clark and Mary refusing to obey will stink up the whole thing. Lately there have been a lot of PSA’s about “your patriotic duty to register with Selective Service.” That tells me the young aren’t even registering in a time of ostensible peace. The Empire probably is stuck with hybrid proxy wars the remainder of its run, which is to say strongarming others into using their children as cannon fodder and shoring it up with… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Jack, I disagree on the idea of throngs lining up, should this go kinetic in real time, perhaps in your neck of the woods that might be so, but not here where I live. I know of only one family who’s child has signed up for the service and it was the AF for the college money. I have personally talked a number of kids of the people I know out of throwing their lives away. One of the big reasons why is because I was in a number of years ago and have first hand experience with what the… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

A lot of dissidents think if things go hot throngs will line up to serve

For which side?

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I suspect our military still believes that its technology can substitute for boots on the ground, having learned nothing from the last two imperial wars. And that’s precisely why the risk of a nuclear war is so great: if all that hardware turns out to be overpriced crap and gets easily swept away, the US would almost certainly fire off nukes in a blind panic. It’s also very likely the reason you don’t see Putin going on an all out military offensive in Ukraine, the Russians want to keep NATO feeling like they’re in a neocon Bush War and not… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

” It’s also very likely the reason you don’t see Putin going on an all out military offensive in Ukraine, the Russians want to keep NATO feeling like they’re in a neocon Bush War and not a real war.”

Smart take and quite plausible. I think one of the main reasons for provoking the war was to separate Europe from Russia. The inverse would be karma.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

To reply to Steve:

If current military recruitment is insufficient for GAE’s misadventures and a draft is enacted I will personally participate in the new ‘Underground Railroad’ that would shuffle young men (the young women have other methods of avoiding the draft) to safety somewhere.

Sadly though, it will be much more difficult to escape the GAE draft than it was for anyone of the Vietnam war era as there will be less safe places to run to.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Neon_Bluebeard
1 year ago

Bluebeard, Nice avatar by the way! The idea of a new underground RR for our peoples children is something that heretofore, I hadn’t thought about. Thank you for mentioning it and yes, I would happily volunteer to help as well! If this were ten years ago I wouldn’t bat an eye at the “When Susan and Clark say no, that will cause a stink.” comment, but since we are now ruled over by “people” who are insanely cruel, I can see a “president” harris giving a press conference, “While it is true that the children of whites are being disproportionately… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

But isn’t it strange? I don’t sense fear in the air. I imagine it was very different in 1962. Hell, it was quite different in 1982.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

do they really need a draft when they can get Eurotrash to fight? When they can just “drone” it in? a land war in Europe is existential for Europe, not the GAE.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Speaking of endless war, Biden is in “Keev” today to pay homage to his Semitic bribemasters, Zelenskyy and Kolomoiskyi:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-biden-f00af220669457d5ba07127c7e57a27b

Somehow he didn’t manage to make it to East “Palestine,” though.

Appropriate name, I must say. It might as well be the “Occupied Territories on the West Bank” of the Ohio…

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

Perhaps he was also there to hastily close bank accounts. Was Hunter there to sign the signature card on the safe deposit boxes? I guess they’ll have to drill them. I also like the Zalenskyy sock puppet line about driving tanks into red square. Way to have a cool, responsible foreign policy that doesn’t give the entire Russian population flashbacks to the siege of Stalingrad.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

What a dam’ shame it would have been if a stray SAM had taken out Air Force One.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

One common thing about dying organizations, including all the ones mentioned that belong to CON-Inc. is the total lack of humorlessness. When you’re a con artist peddling a clunky ideology, you take on a mindset “I will not be made the fool of!!!” And you militantly enforce that mindset. Bubble poppers terrify them. So when someone like BAP comes along and throws a water balloon, they go nuts. They then attack by trying to dismantle and rebuke, on a line by line basis, the things BAP says, only making them 10 times funnier when they do it. Despite all the… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

The insecurity is quite justified. There will be no tribute bands and residuals once these types are too infirm to prance on stage.

B125
B125
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Exactly what happened to Trump in 2016 too

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Throw the woke into that mix, too.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Dean Wormer was the hero of that movie:

“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.”

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
1 year ago

“Claremont did not roll out a real person to respond to this attack and instead used an internet character”.

Heh. I think we can be reasonably certain that “@apemandog” isn’t a pseudonym for Michael Anton.

Anton seems to have subscribed to the Curtis Yarvin school of writing:

“Never say in 500 words what you can say in 10,000”.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

Brevity being the soul of wit, wot…

William Corliss
William Corliss
1 year ago

The type of people we are up against are best exemplified in Harvey Mansfield, a man who would regularly get manicures in Harvard Square, and, like Mike Anton, is most interested in tailored English suits. Straussians who laugh at Heidegger in the 1930s — “he did nothing but speak of Being” — but who themselves do nothing but write. He’s now got a wife 40+ years his junior, who described him thusly a few years ago: “At Crema Café, Schmidt—a 37-year-old with wavy hair, a fur coat, glasses, and too much energy for 9 a.m.—says her husband is not exactly… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

Re Friday’s podcast, I couldn’t imagine better examples than Black Hollywood producing the Grammy’s, Woke Hollywood producing Star Wars, the Kardashians, or the producers of the last ten or so Superbowl halftime shows.

Or, commercial advertising in general and the National Review!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Oh my gosh. Two paragraphs into today’s, I see the Zman is speaking to the exact same theme. Today’s nitwits playing dress-up in their parent’s clothes.

Good news, at that. For example,
in Ireland and elsewhere there are approximately 24 to 54 key people in opposition that are very privileged and pivotal in holding cultural genocide power. 

Like a deck of 52 cards.
TomA might very well have a good point indeed, if any former professionals can take a hint. It might even become an industry, and then, a standard in politics!

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Was watching Idiocracy last night on a station that showed commercials. The commercials were for various blackity black things. The juxtaposition was more entertaining than the movie.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 year ago

Clown world grows as the white proportion shrinks. America is a white nation (without even getting into religion and ideology), a white project, always has been. We can talk about grifts and fake news, name the Jew, or whatever else, but that’s the fact, and there’s much work to be done after acknowledging it. All efforts— even the greedy parasitic ones— will fail without a nation to build on. (Or feed on lol.)

David Wright
Member
1 year ago

If it wasn’t for right wing dissidents noticing the decline and collapse of ConInc. I doubt anybody else would. They can’t keep running to their lefty overseers, those people hate you more.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

Fox News and NewsMax are the amplifiers into which they plug in. “Brought to you by Pfizer, J&J, and various penis pills pushed by Dr. Gorka.” He is a doctor after all. You’ll know the CON inc is in trouble is the ratings are slipping away for these Networks. I don’t check them, I’m hoping they’re down.

Xman
Xman
1 year ago

Speaking of turf wars within “conservatism,” Ann Coulter just told Nikki Haley to go back to India:

https://nypost.com/2023/02/17/ann-coulter-tells-nikki-haley-go-back-to-your-own-country/

There are many negative things to be said about Coulter, such as being a childless old mudshark, but she does give the impression that she is redpilled on “certain” issues and the Tribe has disinvited her from participating in some of the “mainstream” conservative circus acts because of it:

https://www.jta.org/2015/09/17/politics/ann-coulter-slammed-for-tweets-on-jews-israel-in-gop-debate-commentary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2001/10/02/national-review-cans-columnist-ann-coulter/4128f3be-7a64-47e9-a350-eb801757d376/

The comments about Haley will probably amount to nothing more that an entertaining catfight, but sometimes it is nonetheless refreshing to hear someone saying this kind of thing out loud.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

When she is good, she is very, very, very good . . .

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 year ago

Also, she’s funny. You can be forgiven a lot of faults if you’re funny.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

Humor is often the essence of communication. The rank-and-file will understand a funny sentence way before they understand three paragraphs of profundities. And boy do we ever need the rank-and-file to grasp what is going on right now

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 year ago

And when she’s good, it’s because she’s very, very bad… ’14

Maniac
Maniac
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

Coulter was never anything more than a sexually frustrated attention-whore. She needs to quit hitting the snooze button on her 15 minutes and get a hobby.

B125
B125
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

Interesting to see so many Indians all of the sudden be pushed into the political mix. For example – Sunak (UK) and basically the whole Conservative party, Jagmeet Singh (Canada), Kamala Harris, Nikki Haley, some other Indian Republican guy, PM of Portugal, the guy in Ireland. Most of them are “off” Indians, ie. born in former colonies, or mixed. A good question is “why”? Why now, and so suddenly? Have they been selected to be put into place by the powers that be, who want a new Indian ruling class – and if so, why? Or are they simply a… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

“A good question is “why”? Why now, and so suddenly?” Because Subcontinentals qualify as “nonwhite” when tallying up the diversity numbers, but the upper-caste ones are far more educated and intelligent than Bantus (Kamala Harris excepted). Expect to see more of this as whites are increasingly denied access to power, while sub-Saharans simultaneously demonstrate over and over again that they are unable and unwilling to replace competent whites, no matter how many affirmative-action preferences they get. One need not approve of nor endorse Haley to see that there is a world of difference between her and Cori Bush, Hank Johnson,… Read more »

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

Yeah thats the Indian political niche, one part of the scam is the need to never tell people their real opinion of Africans. if they talked about that in an open way, a KKK member would say they were OTT

Marko
Marko
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

Because Hindoos are Superjoos. And India is still full of babies, and will surpass China’s population in a few years.

In the near future, we’ll be looking back fondly at a time when a people only hovering around 2% in the US (and much less on the world stage) ran things.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

“Her [Haley’s] candidacy did remind me that I need to immigrate to India so I can demand they start taking down parts of their history.”

That’s a fairly amusing and well-earned line referencing Haley’s rebuke of the Confederate flag while serving as governor of South Carolina. Coulter’s schtick has never been much to my liking. She has long struck me as what Zman calls an “edgetarian.” Rarely if ever has she exhibited any unique insight. Nevertheless, she occasionally throws out a good zinger [see above].

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

And those zingers do more communicating to normies than any three paragraphs of profound observations.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

“The slobbering over Nikki Haley and Tim Scott suggests they have learned nothing.” The transition from farcical and deceptive to straight up stupid and delusional probably means learning is beyond them. That out of the way, National Review does reflect the viewpoint of the increasingly irrelevant two percent who run the Republican Party in opposition to the ninety-eight percent who vote for that kabuki show. NR amplifies that corrupt and dangerous minority’s current grifts. Most Republican voters want the Ukraine War ended immediately with peace negotiations, but NR will amplify Mitch McConnell’s false and deranged claim that the MIC’s latest… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Funny thing I’ve noted about Hanson—I’ve read several of his books on Classics to fill in the gaps that my academic focus in school created—and listen to his podcasts on occasion for the same reason. He has acquired a harder edged “red pill” tone in the last few years. Much harder edged. Which I find a bit remarkable for an “Inc” guy with a Swedish temperament.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

All I hear is CON Inc. saying, “Hanson, you run right cornerback!….hut hut….break!”

Poirot
Poirot
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Hanson is a part-time farmer. It keeps him grounded.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Perhaps as the vector of events has become inescapably noticeable, as a historian he has come to reflect that “historical events” were once things happening in the now, and that that is where the history he studies, momentous or mundane as the case may be, was made. Our “now” is no different, and similarly contains within it the ends of some things, and the potential beginnings of other, often pernicious beginnings. Get off the sny, old man, recognize the red pills for what they are…

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
1 year ago

” Get off the sny, old man, recognize the red pills for what they are…”

He can’t change course. The Hanson types are like leftists who cannot process reality. It doesn’t register because it cannot register.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

“American Greatness”: the very name strongly suggests that the organization is populated by patriotards hellbent on going down with the ship. They’re the type of folks who will refuse to wake up until the knife is firmly lodged against their throats. These people tend to be far more out of touch than are the progressive wokester yahoos. Wokesters welcome advanced degeneracy with open arms; meanwhile, the professional conservative class pretends to oppose the degeneracy while making endless concessions to it. Pitiful and contemptible.

Great comment, Jack Dobson!

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

All of the above is true, but he was the first “mainstream” commentator I heard openly talking about CW 2.0, as well as his take on why it’s time to partition the country and break it up, as we cannot get along anymore.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

“The slobbering over Nikki Haley and Tim Scott suggests they have learned nothing.”

Or it suggests they know their role as the Washington Generals to the left’s Globetrotters.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

The Golden Rule – the people with the money make the rules. And no one person at the bottom of the pyramid is going to change that dynamic. The current president and all the leadership in Congress were bought and paid for, which is why we are being lead by corrupt and incompetent buffoons. And we now have an electorate with declining IQ being seeded with millions of illegals that will reflex-vote for the bozo promising the most gravy, so the Bongino vote-harder paradigm guarantees that the plates will eventually stop spinning. Cheering the distress of ConInc poseurs is not… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

There’s a lot of truth here, but schadenfreude has its place.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

The point of crushing these gatekeepers is to remove the mask of representative democracy. These money men want to mask their self-interest in moral platitudes, which is why they spend so much money trying to propagandize the masses. It gets far more dangerous for them when the veneer of representation vanishes in the average man.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

I agree with this. But are their enough sane people left in America to make attempts at persuasion worthwhile? IOW, even if you ridicule the Cloud People sufficient to cause them embarrassment among the masses, will that make a difference? They already ignore our wishes with respect to open borders and endless war. Why would they care about their image when you can feasibly manufacture all the ballots and votes you need to sustain incumbency? Human nature is such that fat-ass normie is going to stay on the couch and pretend voting matters rather than go to the range and… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
1 year ago

I’d class Anton’s cytokine storm response to you in the same category. Like his writing and he’s done an awful lost of good work for our side, but he suddenly regressed to a three year old rolling in the grocery aisle because you refuse buy him Poptarts. Still seems the plate tectonics of this are inexorably grinding against the neocons/NR types. For whatever Congress is worth, most of the new entrants simply owe the Goldberg et al crew nothing. And they despise irrelevance above all else. Jonah will never get over his wife not getting that plum job in the… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 year ago

This is all about generational change more than anything else. The “yesterday men” of National Review debate the old fogies at Claremont…whatever. I’ve not yet met a young conservative who reads/discusses any of this stuff. Reagan is a history book figure to these kids. They grew up in LGBT churches if they even attended services/mass at all. So the vitalism/neo-Nietzsche trend among some of the younger set (like BAP) makes a ton of sense in this context. Nostalgia won’t win the next election and, worse yet, it’s quite obvious elections (whether “fortified” before or Deep State-nullified after) don’t matter anymore… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Ruh-Roh…

Biden makes surprise visit to Ukraine for first time since full-scale war began
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4132377/posts

Not. Good.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

It richly illustrates how disposable Biden is for the Regime. Don’t put it past them to either whack Biden like they did Kennedy or to conduct a faux attempt to do so and to turn him into a martyr and as a catalyst to go kinetic. This is dangerous and psychotic, of course, but not at all atypical of the evil people who run the United States.

Most Americans are quite stupid but many will see this as the total act of reckless puppetry it is.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

Won’t whack Biden. Half the country cheering would be bad optics.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’m older and I vaguely remember Reagan had nice hair for an old guy.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

Yeah, I still joke that my paternal grandad had “Ronald Reagan hair”. Almost no gray and still got brush cuts up his death at 76. Unfortunately got the premature gray from my moms side, but more grateful for inheriting his hair follicles.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’m in my 40s so Reagan seemed like a real person to me, but the “Reagan” in my mind is mostly songs bitching and lying about him.

Old punk records with their ROCK AGAINST REAGAN flyer inserts intact are yuppie collectors’ items.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Reagan does bring back fond memories – my first real election, watched it on TV at the University Student lounge, and me and my friend the only ones cheering as he took state after state after state . . . good times.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Im old enough to remember Reagan and the 80s well.

80s Reagan was fully civnat. The dems opposed to him were closer to todays dissident right than he was. A lot closer. 2016 Trump was really an 80s democrat frozen in Amber.

All of which says something about just how contrived our political system and parties are.

miforest
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

reagan was never as good as his publicity. He was too easily led. he was sure that all the bad guys were in Moscow.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Or you may see a much more “muscular” Christianity move to the fore. Been keeping an eye on this KY college thing for a couple weeks. Kids streaming in from 50 states now and it’s been going on for 2 weeks. Reminds me of tent revival I attended as a kid. Just a fuck ton bigger.
But I vaguely recall some from Friedrich along the lines of “will you become a bigger monster than the monster that will consume you if you do nothing?”

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  SamlAdams
1 year ago

Yes it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with the younger Christians. I hope Zman writes about this because I’m interested in his thoughts and everyone’s here on this topic.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

I’ve been fascinated by this younger cohort. Nothing like the “oh, man we gotta go to Church” of my generation. Could see them wearing a Templar cross tunic and carrying a sword in a different century.

Cymry Dragon
Cymry Dragon
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Been watching this KY thing too. Interviews with the participants don’t seem to show anything more muscular than love, love love, lovety, love, love. That’s always been my problem with my chosen faith over the past 40 years. It’s become feminized to the point that most pastors act gay even if they’re not. “Hug on” your neighbor, kiss ’em with a brotherly kiss, etc. I guess I’m just a old time, ready for the bone yard “smite them hip and thigh” Old Testament type.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Cymry Dragon
1 year ago

The Nicene creed was developed to avoid that love, love lovety love error. In particular with reference to the Holy Ghost proceeding from the Father and the Son.

ray
ray
Reply to  Cymry Dragon
1 year ago

Christianity in the modern U.S. is nothing but Jezebel’s favorite eunuch. . . that Preachy One she enjoys so much!

Masculinity is about as valued in the Prot congregations as it is at a Pussy Hat Demonstration.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Cymry Dragon
1 year ago

@c matt

I think we are a loooooooooooong way from these feminized (but I’m sure lovely) Kentucky gents reverting to The Faith (to which you refer, regarding the Nicene Creed) and becoming warriors.

Say what you will about the Crusades, but those men were Catholic warriors and they got [stuff] done.

Jes sayin’.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

The fact the NR writer thought the Daily Beast, which is another old and aged whore, was a hip place to go to sell out the Right speaks volumes. DB is to the Left what NR was to the Right in 2016. DB will be the New Republic in the near future.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Captain Willard: Thought-provoking comment. As a unicorn among old ladydom myself, I think you’re right. I skim blogs and online headlines and I’m constantly, constantly reminded of my own iteration of MacArthur’s famous quote on old soldiers. Old pols and old pol commentators never die, and never go away. They just go on . . . and on . . . and on. Back in 1982, when I first returned from Europe as a brand-new patriot/conservatard, I spent two years doing secretarial work via temp agencies. My first job was in the headquarters of a large national teachers’ union, an… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Most of our generation (I think we ‘re about the same age), just want to retire and “die in peace”. So many of my buddies are like this. They have had good lives and the Reagan-era doctrines with which they grew up served them well, more or less, or so they think. Therefore they have enormous psychological inertia, as demonstrated (and exploited) by Conservatism Inc., NR, Claremont et al. You are unusual in that you are willing to think, move to a new home and question the past, present and future. It is very hard to do this at our… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 year ago

Captain Willard: Well said. My husband had a long conversation with a high school buddy yesterday (they do this every few months). This guy admits my husband is right about what has and is going to happen, but will make no changes in his life. He somehow feels utterly safe and protected by his government pension while living in a 90%+ non-White border city. He’s encouraged his son to follow the same path. He followed the rules (got a degree, worked hard, saved his pennies, invested, etc.) and it put him where he is now – retired and financially comfortable.… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

I think we are about the same vintage, 3g4m3, and I second your post. What the hell with the sainthood of the sniveling, jealous, vicious, in-the-dictionary-under-failure-there’s-his-picture Jimmy Carter? Actually, I don’t need to ask that, because under the cover of being a smug Southern Baptist, he laid the groundwork for the greens and the wokes as had no one before him. He heaved a hammer at a few nails for Habitat for Humanity while the good ship America was slowly sinking thanks to him and his CFR/Rockefeller ilk, and the canonization was complete. I kicked off the ’80s free trade… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  WhereAreTheVikings
1 year ago

WhereAreTheVikings: Thank you, and best wishes to you and yours, Sir. I suppose I’m part of Generation Jones, but I’ve always been a contrarian and independent thinker and generally ornery cuss.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Thank you. By the way, I’m a ma’am, sweetie. That’s okay. You aren’t the first and won’t be the last to think the ol’ Vike is a guy due to her writing style. I used to think that using my stiletto heels as my avatar would end the confusion, but these days it would probably just label me a transsexual. So I shall struggle on without what would have once been a definitive visual clue.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

WhereAreTheVikings: Well met!! I cannot count how many times other commenters have assumed I’m a guy based on arguing style/logic employed. I regard it as a compliment.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

Today, if a prime Carter ran against a prime Reagan, Carter wins in a landslide. CA goes Carter.

Pasaran
Pasaran
1 year ago

Honestly, if I was american, I wouldn’t know how I should vote. I know in peaceful times, the 3rd party option is hopeless, but in our clown era?… (that said, Constitution party is not exciting at all, national justice seems creepy/fed, I don’t know the other ones.) (one thing is certain, a party should offers what people want, based on their social class views, even if thid concept of social classes seems heretic for a lot of US pp. What they want? Peace, prosperity, not much taxes, freedom. How to manage that with an (necessary) anti-egalitarian pillar? I really don’t… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Pasaran
1 year ago

Would you know how to vote in any other country?
True alternatives are not allowed in the west and adjacent areas.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Pasaran
1 year ago

It’s not a debate you should be having. You should simply abandon voting, which is a useless exercise that exists only to perpetuate a flawed, corrupt system.

Stephen Dowling Bots, Dec'd
Stephen Dowling Bots, Dec'd
Reply to  Pasaran
1 year ago

“Honestly, if I was american, I wouldn’t know how I should vote.”

Hahaha, you think it is viable to vote at all.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Pasaran
1 year ago

@pasaran

If you were American, all of us here would tell you NOT to vote!!

Hun
Hun
1 year ago

I remember the Bronze Age Mindset as a pretty good book. Maybe it’s time to reread it to see if it still feels fresh.

ray
ray
1 year ago

Heritage, Claremont, whatever. I give these grifters neither thought nor credibility.

Certainly, they do maintain some sway over the lumpen-cons that dwell on Breitbart and suchlike. The blind leading the dickless.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ray
1 year ago

“The blind leading the dickless.”

Gods, I hope that someday, in the far future, that’s quoted like a Roman maxim.

Epaminondas
Member
1 year ago

If you are a Southern Nationalist, enjoy the spectacle. You can sit back and watch the Judeo-Puritans savage one another while scalawags like Lindsey Graham scurry about looking for someone to stab in the back.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Epaminondas
1 year ago

“Lindsey Graham scurry about looking for someone to stab in the back.”

I think you mean “Lindsey Graham scurry about looking for someone to fuck in the ass.”

Though maybe he’s a catcher?

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
1 year ago

Lindsey has “bottom” written all over him.

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

Fudgepackers take turns

Mike
Mike
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

There was a story not long ago about a male prostitute spilling the beans about Miss Lindsey’s proclivities. Lindsey was talking about his “little lady bugs”.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

The reason that might be true is, who would make that up

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
1 year ago

Or maybe both at the same time.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
1 year ago

Lucius Sulla: “Though maybe he’s a catcher?”

Rumor has it that he caught a bunch of Lady Bugs.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 year ago

> This post at American Greatness is mostly laughing at the ridiculousness of that Butler post. He restates the dissident case against conservatism made a decade ago. To be fair, if I was losing my clout to a guy named *checks notes* apemandog, I’d probably be seething to. There was another outcry at First Things, which was once a neocon rag, but for Catholics. A twitter anon named Lomez posted an article about the Longhouse, which caused an uproar with the tough talking Integralist types. More pearl clutching happened when Chris Rufo gave an interview to IM1776. One commentator even… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Exactly. I’m not even sure it is accurate to call Con, Inc., “mainstream” any longer. It is a sad relic like Norma Desmond. Your description of them as “85’ers” was spot on.

UsNthem
UsNthem
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

All of the normie-ish “conservative” websites – NR, AG, AT et., pretty much operate from the standpoint that the system and be reformed or repaired. Wrong kemo sabe – the system needs to be wiped away so it can be replaced, period.

Peter Wood
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

The older conservatives are down to single digits in years. Places like Boston College’s political science department, which is still dominated by elderly Straussians, are gasping for air and their youthful Zionist tendencies are returning for one last go-round. They hated Trump, they gleefully went along with Covid, they despise J6ers, BAP, and anyone who does not want to spend his life reading de Tocqueville and playing around with footnotes. These weak men have spent their lives absorbed in Machiavelli, Hobbes, and learned absolutely nothing from decades of reading and reflection. In practice, they are indistinguishable from the new hires… Read more »

William Corliss
William Corliss
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Wait a few more years until the students of his students are gone. Not worth the headache until then. They have nothing but time, and are enraged that someone like BAP dared put his mitts on Strauss and used him for purposes other than brown-bag seminars.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Peter Wood
1 year ago

Sorry: honest –if silly– question: what does “BAP” stand for?

Brandon-as-President?

Peter Wood
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Yes, Patrick Deneen, author of “Why Liberalism Failed,” is going around ringing the alarums to the left to wake up, wake up, the British are coming, and probably looking into building a Panic Room in his mansion.

Bourbon
Bourbon
1 year ago

If we were smart, we would lure all of these Passive Aggressive turds into knifing one another in the back [whilst we just lounged around sipping on bubbly from the general vicinity of Ay or Epernay or Reims].

The older I get, the more I feel like the most important book I ever read in muh entire life was the children’s classic, “Millions of Cats”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millions_of_Cats

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

Bourbon: I have two copies of that – one in English and one in Bulgarian. A book with a broad reach.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

@Bourbon:

Um, maybe re-think Epernay or Reims.

While lovely places, they are, alas, in France. Which, at this time, is becoming over-run with Mohammed-worshipping humans.

And Reims is up in the vicinity of the Belgian border, which is also filled with similar folks.