An Alternative Vision

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A popular topic on this side of the great divide is how the conservative movement managed to conserve nothing. Despite having billions of dollars and popular support, they managed to lose every fight. In most cases, they never bothered to fight at all, instead opting to preemptively surrender. The prevailing view is a cynical one in that it is assumed that their failures were profitable for the movement men. They got lavish lifestyles in exchange for being reliably losers.

There is always some truth to these cynical claims, but it does not explain why millions of well-intended white people signed onto the movement. Even today, after all the failures, conservative rackets like The Daily Wire, Prager U and Turning Point USA attract large audiences and rake in hundreds of millions. According to its last publicly available tax return, TPUSA raised $40 million in a year and paid its president, Charlie Kirk, close to half a million dollars.

In fairness, the bulk of the money that flows into these companies is institutional, corporate and oligarchical. National Review gets money from the tech giants, who also give money to the grooming gangs promoting crossdressing. The gatekeeping role of conservatism has been their most lucrative grift. Even so, the conservative movement has always enjoyed more support than it has earned. Given the record, it should be dead now but it staggers on.

That means it is more than a well done grift. Conservatism offered something to typical white people beyond practical politics. One clue is in this post on the American Greatness site. It is about Harry Jaffa, one of the leading intellectuals of 20th century conservatism, who is credited with founding the Lincoln cult. There is an effort to re-popularize Jaffa and his ideas, as a way to breath life back into the corpse that is the conservative movement.

What Jaffa offered conservatives was a way to attach themselves to the creedalism that came out of the war experience. By centering conservatism on the Declaration and Lincoln, conservatives could not only embrace the creedalism promoted by progressives during the war, but claim to be a purer form of it. After all, if conservatism is rooted in the Declaration, then the conservatives have as much of claim to creedalism as the the so-called Left, maybe even a better claim.

Now, Jaffa’s argument was always nonsense. There is little evidence that the Framers viewed the Declaration as their foundational text. The Constitution should be proof enough, but the Federalist Papers end all debate. The long public debate about the new constitution makes only a few passing references to the Declaration. The debates during the drafting make no mention of it. The Declaration was an expedient political statement, not the foundation stone of an ideological movement.

This was obvious when Jaffa was selling this stuff to desperate conservatives looking for a way to steal the moral high ground from the other side. Willmoore Kendall was one person not taken in by Jaffa. Mel Bradford was another. They understood that Jaffa was simply adapting the progressive moral framework created in the war years, so that opponents of the New Dealers could participate in politics. The result was a weird cult of Lincoln that lacked an alternative moral grounding.

Despite the irrationality of it, conservative creedalism was powerful magic. Middle-class white people, unhappy with what they were seeing from the political and cultural elites, had an antidote to progressivism. They could still have the rules and order that normal people expect, but also feel they were defending the ideals and mission of the country, as stated at the founding.  The religion of America was faith in the ideals of America and the best way to make the faith real was conservatism.

This is why conservatism had no answer for multiculturalism. The best reason to exclude people from alien societies is they are not like us. When you firmly believe that anyone can be “us” as long as they get misty when reading the opening lines of the Declaration, there is no good argument against open borders. Openness becomes a prerequisite, as the only way aliens can become “us” is if you let them in, which opened the door to generations of social experimentation.

It is also why conservatives had no answer to the assault on private association waged by progressives in the last century. Excluding woman from a social club, for example, was tantamount to excluding women from the American dream. Any organization that did not allow access to everyone, based on objective criteria, was deemed to be un-American and therefore against the law. Creedalism required the end of free association and conservatives had no choice but to nod along.

It is also why suburban white people have been so slow to break from conservatism, despite getting little in the way of practical accomplishments. Conservative creedalism provided a vision of the future and validation for the present. Suburban white people, seeing nonwhites repeat lines from the creed was validation, but also presented a vision of a future in which everyone lived like Americans. Our ways were not just tradition or custom, but a template for all mankind.

This is a good lesson for those thinking about what comes next. Humans are believing machines and they will commit themselves to a set of beliefs if those beliefs offer a vision of the future free of some unwanted bit of the present. The people we insist on calling the Left are simply true believers, funneling their instinct into secular fads as a way to feel validated, but to also focus on the glorious future. Their natural instincts have been hijacked by ideological opportunists.

The alternative vision to crossdressers waving their genitals around the schoolyard is not a spiffy new graph showing IQ differences. The antidote to progressive lunacy is not appeals to the magic of the marketplace like “go woke, go broke.” The way to defeat the prevailing orthodoxy is by presenting an alternative moral order with a vision of the future that promises salvation for the intended audience. Conservative creedalism failed to do that, so it must be replaced.


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Maxda
Maxda
1 year ago

My Dad was that kind of a conservative. He was an “Executive” for the last 20 years of his life. What he wanted out of government was fairness and predictability. He avoided radicals on both ends of the spectrum and tried to support reasonable people who didn’t rock the boat.

Later in his life, I had conversations with him about how those milquetoast Republicans always lost in the end and he was in reluctant agreement.

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
1 year ago

You said, “What Jaffa offered conservatives was a way to attach themselves to the creedalism that came out of the war experience…”

1945? or 1865?

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

Conservatism is the grift, not the gift, that keeps on giving. I was just thinking today how we are 6 and a half years post-2016 election, yet this country is more Left than ever. What has really been accomplished for the Right since? Sure, conservative media personalities have made a ton of money, but how has the life of the typical rightist voter been improved? This country is less White, the nuclear family is all but dead. Women are more unhinged than ever, and White men are all but shut out from participating in society. Ask yourself what the Right… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Kevin
1 year ago

If you asked a leftist they would say conservatives are winning. Because abortion. And because capitalism and racism still exist, and we don’t have medicare for all. And because trannies aren’t accepted…. actually they are accepted, there is nowhere they can’t go, but they aren’t LOVED, thus conservatives are winning. Thing is, they really believe all that. We don’t have political representation (I could just end the sentence right there) that is up to the challenge of dealing with the deranged movement that the left has become. They snapped when Trump won. That was the genesis of clown world. Doesn’t… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Kevin
1 year ago

you need to recalibrate your expectations. ask yourself how *you* are doing right now? eating regularly? free of serious disease? etc

Longstreet
Longstreet
Reply to  Kevin
1 year ago

We need to stop being merely opposed to progressive lunacy. We need to offer an alternative moral framework. That frameworks starts with advocating that all power be local. Local means free association. Local means excluding whomever you want. Local means hundreds of thousands of bottom up experiments to discover what works best.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Longstreet
1 year ago

What we had in decades past, you’d think that stuff would have sold itself. What can we possibly offer to people who were unable to buy into America at its peak? What we’re talking about now is a rearguard action. Lifeboats.

davidcito
davidcito
1 year ago

“The alternative vision to crossdressers waving their genitals around the schoolyard is not a spiffy new graph showing IQ differences. The antidote to progressive lunacy is not appeals to the magic of the marketplace like “go woke, go broke.” I don’t think we’re as shameless or unethical as they are to even match their strategy. Leftists are a motley crew of some of the most disturbed people, willing to live like there’s no tomorrow to defend the honor of black violent criminals, trannies with AIDS, grooming pedophiles, man hating feminists, etc. What’s the right wing equivalent of men in burlesque… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

Leftist hives also have dozens, maybe even hundreds of goldmines to sustain their lunacy in the form of modern universities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Also, all the massive foundations created by the millionaires of the late 19th and early 20th century have been captured by leftists. The Tide Foundation, The Ford Foundation, Carnegie, Getty, etc. Everything they left is being used for pervesions they’d hate.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Vizzini
1 year ago

They really oughtta take Leland Stanford’s name off the university he founded. He wouldn’t approve of them anymore than they do of him. It’s a win win.

Along similar lines, one wonders why the Ford Foundation retains the name.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

So that the mediocrities can capitalize off his capitalism and genius that they so despise. They probably get a sick kick out of it.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

those kids are watching men strip because their parents took them there for that specific purpose. and that is the root problem.

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

Leftists don’t risk dying on any hill. They follow Patton’s creed because they have the power behind them.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

When I was embarking on my career in my early 20’s, I joined Rotary. This was also at the time women were beginning to make inroads in business. Of course it was a male only organization – the horror. Well that couldn’t stand and it soon caved. Some of the older guys in the group, with decades of membership quit as a result. Being the young whippersnapper, I considered them old fuddyduddies. In looking back now, if I’d been in their shoes, I’d have done the same damn thing. Women can have their own groups, as can blacks and everyone… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

I’m tired of them all too. There’s hardly any white people left and the ones I see have blue hair, beards and wear dresses.

Just recently my formerly affluent hood had yet another cultural enriching moment thanks to diversity. A neighbor had his garage open mid day for an hour and one of the vibrants got caught on camera walking in and stealing their sons bike.

They just can’t help it, no matter how old or what kind of environment, the lack of impulse control and delayed gratification takes over. What an insufferable virus the blax are.

Severian
1 year ago

The secret of the Left’s success is that they neutered the charge of hypocrisy. From that, all else flows. Hypocrisy requires an external standard, and Leftism explicitly denies there’s any kind of “standard” at all — there is simply History, comrade, which is the inexorable working-out of the fundamental logic of the universe itself. Better, it neuters any possible objections to Leftism, since none of us live up to our own standards, simply because we can’t. How can we morally object to Leftism, when we fall so far short in our own lives? Yet they are free to make “moral”… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

The other part of that is that they weight their morality to have infinite value, such that they can always use the greater good argument no matter how vile their own actions. Better to slaughter a thousand innocent men than let one guilty one drop an n-bomb. The odd thing is that the cattle go along with it, but I suspect it’s that they never see the extreme ends of unprincipled unrestricted power-seeking and are too illiterate to read from historical examples like the French Revolution or the Bolsheviks. They know Hitler is the devil because of the English Patient… Read more »

Severian
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

Which suggests a good tactic for defeating them, at least locally. Instead of the Benedict Option, call it the “Bartleby Option,” after Melville’s scrivener. “I prefer not to.” That’s it. Nothing else. For the Left, the reaction is the result. They can’t do anything if you don’t react. It fries their circuits. They have a million dialed-to-eleven moral arguments to make if you try to actually answer the question “Why won’t you let women into your club?” But if you just shrug and say “I prefer not to,” they’ve got nothing. It won’t work on the macro level — we’re… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Sounds like Andrew Breitbart advice when accused of racism, misogyny or whatever. Don’t defend, just say “so”.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

What is best in life?

To crush the left, to drive them before you, and to hear the lamentations of their trannies.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

This is a lot like what James Lindsay advocates as a response to what he calls Leftist, “mid-grade violence.”

Barn Jollycorn
Barn Jollycorn
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Speaking of Melville, Tashtego’s response may be the better one.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

You could force them to wear masks, stay home, and take experimental injections, and they will still stand up to sing about the land of the free and the home of the brave

There is no hope. Not on this side of the collapse

AntiFatmerican
AntiFatmerican
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

I think you can discern that in the quite popular notion that history has a “side.” This is a weird ontology of history anthropomorphically picking winners and losers, common to humans across eras. The Republican promotion of the Ukraine war is more disgusting than the liberals’ crass fight-for-universal-gay-marriage agenda IMO. A lot of well-heeled random individuals have their own incentives to maintain the Eastern Europe globalism flophouse, which is not an ideological thing, but that is so remote from the practical daily concerns of anybody this side of the Atlantic that I do see why liberals are inspired more by… Read more »

Member
Reply to  AntiFatmerican
1 year ago

Trey Gowdy has a weird tiny head. In a more civilized age he would be the Pinhead at a traveling carny freak show.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

He looks like Max Headroom’s little brother

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

Headroom pitched New Coke and Gowdy sells old conservatism. Losers, the both of them.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  AntiFatmerican
1 year ago

Absolutely right, and the “arc of history” certainly doesn’t bend toward the progressive idea of “justice.”

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  AntiFatmerican
1 year ago

trey seems cut from the same cloth as Lady Graham.

Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

South Carolina Vichy Republicans is a great study of how the national party leaders ensure that white South Carolinians are effectively left without actual leadership. Pinhead Trey, Tim The Magic Negro, Miss Lyndsay and Former Governor Ganges are the designated “leaders” to ensure that the evil spirits of Strom Thurmond, Andrew Pickens, Preston Brooks , and John Calhoun are exorcized and never allowed to infect white South Carolinians.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

Democrats should run a tranny against Graham and force the GOP to prove the Dems are the real transphobes for putting an openly gay senator at risk. It is the type of convoluted, anti-White logic that pervades the South Carolina Republican Party (as well as the national one).

Guest
Guest
1 year ago

An excellent column today, Zman.

The fact that American Greatness disabled the comments section on that article tells you everything you need to know about the content of the article. Pure propaganda from on high. No discussion or debate permitted.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Guest
1 year ago

American Greatness’s answer to the Maoists: wear those bow ties harder!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

“wear two bow ties!!”

kvh kvh kvh kvh

mmack
mmack
1 year ago

“It is also why suburban white people have been so slow to break from conservatism, despite getting little in the way of practical accomplishments. Conservative creedalism provided a vision of the future and validation for the present. Suburban white people, seeing nonwhites repeat lines from the creed was validation, but also presented a vision of a future in which everyone lived like Americans. Our ways were not just tradition or custom, but a template for all mankind.” Quite interesting passage here in light of My Lovely 🥰 Lady and my experience this past weekend. We had to return to Silly-nois… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

I’m seeing this now in Beta Thirst. White Betas [who, if they could ever grow a pair of frigging psychological gonads, could ackshually amount to somebody in this life] being so repelled by White Female Cray-Cray that they’re starting to get the hots for the streetsh!tteress p00nt@ng. Destroy the women, destroy the culture, destroy the race. That must have been very roughly the game plan which the Sanhedrin adopted no later than about 1500AD [and possibly even as early as 1500BC]. Of course, we have to constantly remind ourselves that the V@xxines will very likely have the last word in… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

mmack- It’s not just Naperville. In the Northwest suburbs of Chicago, same thing, ubiquitous political signs with Indian or Arabic names. In the past you’d see it occasionally, but not this many. It’s astonishing how many there are.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Oh I know. We went from Will through Cook and into DuPage Counties and saw anywhere from 50 – 80% of the signs bearing Indian and Arabic names.

Literal signs of the time. In Aurora, IL there are sections of the city where the only English signage you’ll see are the street and traffic signs. Supermercados anyone?

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

In ’89 I was in Wheaton for a wedding (the rehearsal dinner was in Naperville.) Made it back for a visit in 2017 and I was shocked at the change. I grew up in the MA equivalent. The thing is, poorly run, corrupt states like IL and MA have been losing their heritage populations and almost all population growth is from foreign immigration.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  RoBG
1 year ago

Our trip back was the first for me in nearly two years. The last one sadly was for my mother’s funeral, and as I said this was for a memorial service. Many things struck me as signs Ill-annoy is in decline: – The Illinois State Police were out in force on the highways and pulling people over. Some folks would say “Good, they’re enforcing the law”. That tells me the state is broke.(I kid, I read Wirepoints.org to keep tabs on goings on in the state. I KNOW the state is broke.) – Many longtime businesses in DuPage county are… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

The world has enough breweries, yes, but in my neck of the woods the Senecas have opened up a stunning amount of dispensaries on their rez. It’s horrible what all this legal weed is doing to an already economically depressed area. I guess this is revenge for all the fire water and smallpox blankets.

At least breweries are a traditionally white business.

davidcito
davidcito
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

Somebody was defending boomers on the last post because they were too young to vote for the 1965 immigration act, laying the blame on the greatest generation. Then Milo said the same thing in his telegram… To be clear, the majority of nonwhite immigrants came here in the last 35 years, about 50 fucking million to be approximate. I don’t blame anyone here, and I love my old man, but boomers in politics had plenty of time to notice this. Only the millennials figured it out via the internet. After a decade in california, i moved back to the midwest… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

mmack, my sister and some of her friends fled Portland, Oregon because their beliefs ruined that city. They relocated to a poor, unsuspecting town in rural Oregon. That town is full of Trump supporters and my sister and her friends hate them, in spite of the fact that they were forced to flee to that town of Trump supporters to escape the results of their own beliefs. My sister and her friends have learned nothing and I don’t think that they are unusual. For reasons like this, I think that any town ought to have the right to refuse any… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

Portlanders are totally incapable of connecting their voting habits with what happened to Portland. Despite the fact that it’s thugs yelling BLM slogans while smashing every window downtown, or all junkies in the tents after they legalized drugs, it’s incomprehensible to them why all the shops are gone and there’s now a nightly listing of murders on the local news.

The soft, pear-shaped white soyboys waddle or ride their fancy bicycles over the river to safer pastures in Vancouver, but the bums and nigs will be following them soon enough once they vote in their dumb beliefs.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

LineInTheSand: “My sister and her friends have learned nothing and I don’t think that they are unusual.”

The absence of both Introspection & Extrospection on the part of the White sh!tlib personality type is a fascinating horror to behold.

Utter. Cluelessness.

Pozymandias
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

This is the sad fate of rural areas in hard Blueshit states like Oregon. Right wing Oregonians tired of the Leftism are typically upset about two things, cultural rot (i.e. crime, homeless people and hypodermic needles on the streets) and specific government policies like Measure 114 (gun and magazine ban) and mail-in voting. Leftist Oregonians sometimes still have a bit of common sense and desire for self preservation and feel threatened by the former aspect of Leftist areas (the cultural rot). Since you can only escape *one* of those problems by moving, from say, Portland to The Dalles, the internal… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

Too many blax in the south. Too many white shitlibs in the north

davidcito
davidcito
Reply to  Spingehra
1 year ago

It’s almost like the white democrats in the northeast and some of the northwest secretly found a way to repel nonwhites while still voting democrat. Greg Johnson has recommended moving to the pacific northwest.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

LineInTheSand, I feel for you. I dated a gal, K, who was born and raised in Portland, OR and crossed my path when she moved out to work in Naperville. She was a very pretty woman and fun to be with but I noticed she seemed goofy 🤪 and silly 🙃 for a gal her age (30). As in immature goofy. We broke up and years later I saw the TV show Portlandia and it clicked. Googling years after that I saw she remarried and had children with her second husband but moved right back to Portland. I can’t even… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

In this age of clowns, when you get your money for nothing and your grindr dates for free, go woke go broke is just wishful thinking. But go woke go broke may not have been wrong. It may just have been early. If and when the free money spigot dries up, when tangible value must be produced in order to prosper, then go woke go broke becomes reality. Indications are that we are moving in the direction of that new era. That’s my optimism for today. If you can call it optimism, because that shift will bring a world of… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Jeffrey Zoar: “If and when the free money spigot dries up, when tangible value must be produced in order to prosper, then go woke go broke becomes reality.”

This is why Jerome Powell’s Presidency is so fundamentally important to the future of the White Race & Western Civilization & Christianity.

Every time Jerome Powell raises interest rates, more of our Enemy’s financial empire crumbles and vanishes, and our Enemy comes closer to ruin & extinction & damnation.

PRAY FOR THE PHYSICAL HEALTH & SAFETY AND THE MORAL PUGNACIOUSNESS OF JEROME POWELL!!!!!

The Matrix III: “He fights for us.”

https://tinyurl.com/2p2w65uh

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

I am not sure about that. I am poking around the ARM spec today and found an, “Inclusive Language Commitment”, in it along with an email address to report offensive language to. Offensive language in a CPU spec?

That is how deep and pervasive the nanny state has penetrated – down to the core – pun intended.

https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102467/0200?lang=en

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

It will at the very least be a self imposed handicap in the competition against entities which care not for such nonsense. In the hypothetical world where the free money is gone.

There’s a grimmer possible scenario in which AINO goes on as a banana republic dystopia worshipping wokeness while the rest of the world just kind of ignores it. In that hypothetical, the competition it is losing against would be without its “borders,” not within them. There are a lot of unknowns involved with predicting how long that state of affairs could go on.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

A lot of what people call the “free market” is a highly gerrymandered system designed to keep masses of really quite useless people employed in paid work. I’ve made the point here many times that the average woman, objectively, is FAR worse at physical tasks than the average man and slightly worse at mental ones but with a dash of hormonal insanity that men don’t have. Yet, somehow, the statistics show women out earning men in the younger cohorts. What are they being paid for? Mostly, they are being paid to keep them off the streets (sometimes literally) and in… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

The only big difference between our current system and a UBI system is the amount of free time a whole lot of folks have on their hands. Which must be important to the establishment, since they went to the trouble of creating jobs for all these people. You can see why they aren’t impressed by talk of creating jobs. Since they do that themselves all the time. Either with your money or with money they printed out of thin air. Allowing them to believe they are telling the truth when they say “you didn’t build that.” Since that’s their economic… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
1 year ago

Conservatives lost because they couldn’t/wouldn’t conserve race, oppose feminism, nor could they form the popular culture which forms the mass mind. Those three are the whole game.

Without that, all you’re left with is PragerU.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  fakeemail
1 year ago

The conservative movement is culturally conservative or it is nothing. It is nothing.

Cruciform
Cruciform
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

“The conservative movement is culturally conservative or it is nothing. It is nothing.”

This. Wins the internet today, beyond today.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

It’s theoretically possible [although not likely, but at least theoretically possible] that the Chinese or the Streetsh!tters could win a war of attrition. In general, defensive wars can only possibly be won via attrition [there’s simply not enough serendipity*** in this universe to allow for any winning defensive strategy other than attrition]. Sooner or later, if White people want to win, then we’ll have to abandon defensive attrition in favor of offensive conquest. We don’t have the excess population necessary to play the attrition games which the Chinese & the Streetsh!tters can play. Nor do we have the correct personalities… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

You can sail against the wind: it’s called tacking.

The English sailed up and down the channel so the wind had nothing to do with the victory.

The Spanish were beaten and fled around the whole of Irealnd and Britain because they could not face the English navy in the channel.

Catholics just cannot credit protestants with any strengths or victories.Almost as if you have an inferiority complex.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Drake
1 year ago

The Spanish did not share your view of it being about Irish farts: On the authority of the Duke of Parma, “The English regarded their victory with modesty, and were languidly indifferent to their valour.” They looked upon the defeat of the Spanish Navy as a token of the Ruler of all things being decidedly partial to the Protestant faith. The Spaniards, as a whole, would not allow that Heaven was against them or that the verdict was that of Providence. They declared that it was entirely the result of the superior management of the English ships and the fighting… Read more »

ray
ray
1 year ago

‘Humans are believing machines’ Believing machines with God-given souls, yes. Spiritual war is war conducted chiefly in the mind, whether of individual or collective. Human males are believing machines, made outta dirt, with God’s spirit (pneuma) ‘breathed’ into them. Females are the dirt without the pneuma. :O) ‘The way to defeat the prevailing orthodoxy is by presenting an alternative moral order with a vision of the future that promises salvation for the intended audience.’ Right. And that’d be Scriptural Christianity, something quite different from Modern Christianity or Churchianity. Hmm better make that Militant Scriptural Christianity, for time being. The problem… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ray
1 year ago

That is the hope. If the Bible teaches anything, it is that God is forgiving and patient, but he allows people to experience the error of their ways before acting. In that understanding, I suspect we have a ways to go before redemption.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Per Psalm 1:
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

That was written +/- 3,000 yrs. ago. I’ve not been consulted as to who is / is not righteous, nor the timing.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

I don’t mind experiencing the error of my ways, but why should I experience the errors of the 90% of idiots who inhabit this planet’s ways?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

I’m not a good apologist, but that the righteous suffer along with the rest seems typical and probably is intentional. Perhaps there is no such thing as sin free.

ray
ray
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Compsci — Bible’s always talking about how few pass through, needle’s eye, remnant this and portion that. Christianity is an elite religion, by the mouth of Christ Himself. So I look for no collective redemption but make Him as available to this world as I can, and the hoss drinks or not. As you said, yes there’s a ways to go with Lucy Fer’s festivities, but the promise to remove the Church of Brotherhood prior to the full-on Tribulation is intact and guaranteed. (Rev. 3:10; 1 Thess. 4:16-17) The King will make good on this promise, and soon. He is… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  ray
1 year ago

Females want a moral code that facilitates their membership in the dominant group. Men want one that allows them to co-exist with said group.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  ray
1 year ago

ray: “Spiritual war is war conducted chiefly in the mind”

I would be very careful about conflating “Spirit” and “Mind”.

Disentangling Emotion from Reason and Reason from Emotion is gonna be a wildly complicated undertaking.

Also, I would STRONGLY URGE you to learn this paper:

https://tinyurl.com/bddymkpw

If you’ve never read it before, then it oughtta rock your world.

Compsci
Compsci
1 year ago

“ The way to defeat the prevailing orthodoxy is by presenting an alternative moral order with a vision of the future that promises salvation for the intended audience.”

And so we come full circle—back to Christianity! However, we rejected that and here we are. Now what?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Take what they’re giving, call it Judeo-Christianity like they do, and reject that 😀

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 year ago

Freedom of association still exists in AINO, just not for whites, heterosexuals and men.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

Generally speaking, an “alternate moral order” that begins to gain traction is given another name by the regime. Terrorists. Especially dying, decaying regimes that thrash about. The next gateway of history that this country will soon be walking through. This is why the word very old word, “sedition” has been dusted off in the last year, which applies to “alternate moral orders” that haven’t gained traction. The hippies of the 1960’s, the wild eyed Hillary Clintons, were seditious, and now in power as state terrorists. Yet they were never labeled as either, because the state was strong and solid. Now… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Or maybe the institutions they took over just fail. In their march through them, they never asked themselves if they were qualified to run them. Their downfall. Hopefully

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

That is the beauty of a revived Church Militant. Less “novel alternate moral order” and a lot “just the normal default order.” Most people are close to or identify as Christian. Everyone celebrates Christmas and Easter. It also has a built in and well-entrenched moral basis: you aren’t anti-Christ, are you? It comes with an effective (and true!) moral dichotomy: those who oppose God are by definition evil and satanic. This is a also a fundamental strand of all White American ethnicities; even for the Yankee (who lets be honest is probably going to hell) God = Good, and God’s… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
1 year ago

The Christian frame, in addition to being true and robustly predictive, also has the effect of casting any opponents (into an eternal lake of fire, ahem) as ridiculous: if the modern ‘murican hears an argument is Satanist, they think of some loser at Hot Topic listening to marylin Manson. Kinda the antithesis of a serious person.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
1 year ago

“The way to defeat the prevailing orthodoxy is by presenting an alternative moral order with a vision of the future that promises salvation for the intended audience.” – You have to give the TRS guys credit for having their strongest game on this one point, despite the fact that they have some blind spots in that alternative, just as their idolized historical figure did. The mistakes of this figure being explained away by external forces. I always liked Franco and Salazar better.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Concur that the TRS guys have the clearest and most unapologetic moral vision and best plan for action. What’s interesting is that repulse a lot of people on our side.

My guess is that events will force the people squeamish with TRS into their camp and TRS will concede nothing, like what happened once with a certain failed painter.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

“TRS” == ?????
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Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  JR Wirth
1 year ago

Just in case there are some who don’t know, TRS guys are from The Right Stuff (dot biz), where they have formed a party, The National Justice Party (NJP). It sounds like it’s growing, with events held every few months, along with real life activism in Waukesha, Fargo, Akron, East Palestine, etc. Their platform is light years away from Rush Limbaugh-style conservatism.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Thanks for the much needed clarification. And I wish TRS godspeed.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Whew. That’s a relief. Given their ubiquity and current domination of the known universe, I was afraid it was going to stand for Transsexuals R Special.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 year ago

Conservatism became useless after Reagan’s 1984 victory and the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Tax cuts and defeating communism were its main planks, with the pro-life and cultural stuff as glosses. Immigration hardly was noticed, let alone debated. The old jalopy should have been sent to the junk yard, but by then the grift was on with the neocons in the driver’s seat.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

Conservatism never shifted to making war upon the internal enemies, the liberals, the left. It just wanted an endless victory parade for the end of the cold war and see the libs as just fellow citizens with mistaken beliefs we should respect because we all share the same ends as good Americans.

The ends were not the same. The respect was never returned.

The Left is/was/always making war upon the right in the most ruthless manners possible. In the courts, media, the schools, the streets, you name it.

Anonymous Frog
Anonymous Frog
Reply to  Jack Boniface
1 year ago

The New Dealers were communists.
“I have just one purpose … and that is to build up a strong progressive Republican Party in this country. If the right wing wants a fight, they are going to get it … before I end up, either this Republican Party will reflect progressivism or I won’t be with them anymore.”
This isn’t George W. Bush, but Eisenhower, a “moderate, progressive Republican”

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
1 year ago

As the Regime pivots from street violence to outright targeted oppression, what comes next is first survival and then reaction. Those nice White folks in suburbia now have to deal with hostile ferals in their midst and an increasingly poor quality of life on the economic, social and cultural fronts. Ridiculous shibboleths about equality are hard to swallow when a person is routinely treated unfairly. Yes, that happens now, but it is about to be amped up to 11. Transgenderism, anti-racism, and other absurdities are, to quote others, luxury beliefs, and luxury is leaving the building. Fear and deprivation initially… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 year ago

i am working on a movie script called “Old Normie”. has a happy ending (but not for Normie).

neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

I agree that the hierarchical nature of Catholicism stunted, to a degree, the radical egalitarianism inherent in the religion. However, note that Protestantism took off as soon as (1) Aristotle was reintroduced into the west by Muslims (almost all of his works were burned and destroyed by Christians prior to that) combined with (2) the invention of the printing press which allowed the masses to read the bible without relying on priests. After that, the Unitarian strain of Protestantism took over the universities and dropped the belief in God as a way to outcompete their religious competition in an environment… Read more »

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Sorry, please delete this comment, I was responding to another poster below but for some reason it separated as it’s own comment.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Aristotle wasn’t “burned and destroyed” by the Church. That’s completely ridiculous. John Damascus relied heavily on Aristotle for his anthropology, among other things, ditto the other fathers of the Eastern Church.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  Enoch Cade
1 year ago

Hi Enoch, please see here, although you should be able to find backup with any number of sources: https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/culture-magazines/rediscovery-aristotle “Owing to vagaries of history, the complete body of Aristotle’s writings was lost to the Latin West. The only bits and pieces available were a couple of treatises on logic, a discipline Aristotle invented, and some commentaries on those works: in particular, the Categories and the On Interpretation (the texts translated by Boethius, both collectively referred to as the “Old Logic”); the Topics of Cicero, and the Topical Differences of Boethius, together with the latter’s translation of Porphyry’s Isagoge (Introduction to… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Wasn’t Aquinas an Aristotelian? Hundreds of years before Reformation. And Cicero’s impact was because of Petrarch’s discovery — founding the humanism that would educate Luther in Wittenberg. I believe this may be an example of publications “brown-washing” history. Now, I do not disagree that Muslims probably inherited some of Aristotle’s works, but I would suggest that the quotation you provided even has that smell of fishy logic (“It is not too much of an exaggeration”).

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Hi Eloi, I discussed Aquinas in this thread below (this reply in the thread was a mistake and was intended to respond to another poster). If you control F and type in Aquinas you’ll see where I address him, thank you.

davidcito
davidcito
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

“almost all of his works were burned and destroyed by Christians prior to that”. The library of alexandria was burned by muslims as far as I’ve can tell and that held most of Aristotle’s works i believe.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  davidcito
1 year ago

Hi davidcito, the blame for the burning of the library of Alexandria (which meant different events and at different times) is disputed, see here:

https://ehistory.osu.edu/articles/burning-library-alexandria

Also, if you want to learn about the extensive and deliberate destruction of the pagan world by Christians, please see this book:

https://archive.org/details/catherinenixeythedarkeningagethechristiandestructionoftheclassicalworld2017

Hope this is insightful.

NF

Mycale
Mycale
1 year ago

Remember, for decades, lefties believed they could take in foreigners and “transform” them into good Americans too. As opposed to just believing in the DoI harder, though, they did it with social engineering, through pop culture, affirmative action, the education system, etc. Of course, this was far more effective as it guarantees that the sons and daughters of hardworking immigrants become brainless lefty revolutionaries with a chip on their shoulder. That illegal Mexican might be willing to work 14 hours a day washing cars in LA but his kids will be “Chicano Studies” majors at Cal State supporting the Mexican… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Mycale
1 year ago

Knee-jerk rejection of Christianity is not helpful. Digust with converged churches and the scorn heaped on the Catholic Church is fully justified. Ask yourself, however: do you want to live in a world of Ned Flanders? Or in secular Georgetown, Cabrini Green/ East LA or little Tel Aviv? Let Ned’s children waste their resources flying/ driving / digging wells in Haiti / Africa. Convert the heathens. God speed. But leave Haiti for the Hatians and leave America for Americans. Christianity acknowledges that there are different nations in this world. Added bonus: an organized church has the benefit of enjoying tax-exempt… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Mycale
1 year ago

Mycale —

Yes. Seconded.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
1 year ago

Brilliant piece. Jaffa, and even more so Abraham Lincoln not to mention the psychopaths, criminals and drunkards who commanded his rabble (Grant, Sherman, Sheridan) cannot be vilified strongly enough or often enough.

paleo paleo
paleo paleo
Reply to  Enoch Cade
1 year ago

Isn’t ranting about all that another type of lost cause?
How about writing something of concern, leading to action, this millennium?

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  paleo paleo
1 year ago

I don’t think so, since it’s helpful to understand the origins of our present malaise, and thus understand why it happened and how to avoid in the future. But I’m a historicist and to each his own rant, friendo; human evil and stupidity remains a constant; only the color of the lipstick changes, and the Lincoln/Jaffa cult is particularity interesting given it’s the foundational lie of the Duhmerican polity. It’s also personally interesting to me, as a Southerner; it is my family history in a way that’s probably beyond the existential grasp of your average Duhmerican mutt, who are more… Read more »

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  paleo paleo
1 year ago

And there is also fact that the Globohomo regime has elected to prioritize the destruction/desecration of Confederate/Southern memory. AP Hill, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and others. With, let us recall, the willing participation of what’s still known as the “conservative” movement, which elects to continue slobbering over Lincoln and the rest of them.

I choose to defend my people and my family. Since it’s not YOUR people or YOUR family, you can keep on defending the Constitution or John Locke or whatever you prefer.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  paleo paleo
1 year ago

We have got to know from where we came to get to where we need to be. You obviously aren’t Southern or at least not someone who had ancestors in the CSA. For many of us the war defines just where we stand as supposed Americans. The South was always second class to the Puritan north mostly because we just wanted to be left alone and not have to deal with them. The north treated the South and Southerners worse than any vanquished foe in the war-making history, over 200 years of war, of the US. The commandant of the… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

A lot of such could also have been avoided with prisoner swaps. South offered, North refused. Better to sacrifice Northern prisoners than give needed troops back to the South. Hell, even Russian and Ukraine are swapping prisoners.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Yes – Grant and Lincoln both forbade prisoner swaps in 1864 as that would return troops to Lee’s army. They didn’t give a shit about their Irish/German conscripts. They also would not permit the South to send medicine to their troops at Elmira or Point Lookout.

Quintus
Quintus
1 year ago

The Z Man’s closing comment about defeating the prevailing orthodoxy with an alternative morality and a vision of the future reminded me of the many times this has been tried, but unfortunately failed (or at least not succeeded yet). The foremost example would be the Northwest Front movement of the late Harold Covington. He wrote a series of “Northwest Novels” that illustrated, in great depth, precisely an alternative morality and a future built upon that morality. The various efforts promoting white ethnostates over the years offer a similar approach; Greg Johnson’s many books, conferences, and articles on the topic being… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Quintus
1 year ago

” Do living conditions need to approach starvation levels before people are responsive to the type of changes being discussed here (e.g. the New Deal was only possible because of the Great Depression)?”

They do. Even then most will remain delusional. I increasingly think the Regime may have gone too far, too fast, but even then the number who will react will not be great. Even then it may be enough to overturn the applecart, though.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 year ago

By all reasonable lights, our people should be marching in the streets by the millions in DC and state capitols because of the Trump and Mackey show trials, yet we don’t do sweet Fatty Arbuckle. I’m now utterly convinced that our people are permanently supine. Their testicles, and with them their survival instinct, have been machined away by decades of anti-white/pro-negro propaganda. There are only two hopes for survival. First, central authority decays and collapses under the weight of its own irrationality, which allows white peripheral areas to effectively become autonomous. Second, the GAE becomes embroiled in war with a… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Why not both, simultaneously? The question of the GAE’s, and AINO’s collapse is only one of speed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

By any means necessary, I suppose, but it seems to me that if central authority weakens dramatically, the GAE won’t have the political wherewithal to project military force onto a peer nation.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

By all appearances, both alternatives you presented are running neck and neck in the race for which may lay claim to first prize in the final destruction of AINO sweepstakes.
In any case, in tandem and left unchecked, it’s a lead pipe cinch these scenarios will to lead to AINO collapse.
Whether a white periphery can rise from the ash heap remains to be seen.
(BTW – can’t recall a time I’ve seen Sweet Fatty Arbuckle invoked – tho’ it is more colorful than most other…options).

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
1 year ago

I’ve come to prefer it to jackshit, although dicksquat also rates very highly with me.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

A coincidence, this morning in the office we were talking about a Chinese takeover and I said then that it wouldn’t matter because we couldn’t be treated much differently.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

I hope that is the order because the GAE in its death throes will lash out at the core population unless it lacks the financial and structural wherewithal to do so. We are seeing a bit of that now with the political show trials you cited. The idea seems to be appearances to the rest of the world at this stage no longer matter so let’s ride herd on the proles for kicks.

Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Reply to  Quintus
1 year ago

A recent defeat in the attempt to establish an alternative morality occurred this past week when a Trump appointed Federal Judge blocked the Tennessee state law that defined drag queen shows as adult caberet and therefore adults only “entertainment”. This shows that there will be no meaningful change by working within the system. Even you do manage to get some politicians on your side it only takes one activist judge to block all progress.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Quintus
1 year ago

Not so sure if living conditions need to become dire, but the power of centralized government needs to be weakened (which will likely result in the dire living conditions). It would take that type collapse for a thousand Oranias to bloom. Right now, any budding Orania is cut down by the force of government and its erstwhile various busybody NGO hangers-on.

Where you plant a field, the locusts follow.

Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Since the 2020 election, in which Trump received 70% of the vote in my red state county of 100k, over 6k apartment units have been built or are under construction. The cost of this has got to be several hundred million dollars which implies national and international levels of finance. It feels like my county has been targeted for change, demographic and political.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  Quintus
1 year ago

There is no such thing as “alternative morality.” The very term partakes of the ridiculous modern notion that morality is pliable, that you could just swap out one moral module and replace it with another one more to your liking.

Morality is real. That which is moral is moral because it is rooted in the logos-structure of reality. There is no changing that. There is only either declining from it or growing in resemblance to it.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

The most damaging ideological canard is the notion that we can talk or vote our way out the mess we’re in. Yes, in a perfect world, persuasion based upon rational sanity would rally enough votes to elect better politicians and thereby right the ship of state. But the reality is that DC is (and has been) infested with crooks and idiots for over a century now and the Fortified for Democracy movement insures that it will only get worse going forward. Most Americans are still very comfortable in their relative high standard of living, so maintaining the status quo is… Read more »

neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

The core of the issue you are discussing is society’s continual push toward egalitarianism, which is rooted in Christianity itself. Historian Tom Holland articulated this point in his book “Dominion”: “The more years I spent immersed in the study of classical antiquity, so the more alien I increasingly found it. The values of Leonidas, whose people had practiced a particularly murderous form of eugenics and trained their young to kill uppity Untermenschen by night, were nothing that I recognized as my own; nor were those of Caesar, who was reported to have killed a million Gauls, and enslaved a million… Read more »

btp
Member
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

That’s such bullshit. Hernan Cortez was a better Catholic than I’ll ever be, and he was hierarchical, noble, and a warrior.

Here’s what I’d suggest: if you aren’t a Christian, you really should be a leftist.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

Hi btp, I agree that the hierarchical nature of Catholicism stunted, to a degree, the radical egalitarianism inherent in the religion. However, note that Protestantism took off as soon as (1) Aristotle was reintroduced into the west by Muslims (almost all of his works were burned and destroyed by Christians prior to that) combined with (2) the invention of the printing press which allowed the masses to read the bible without relying on priests. After that, the Unitarian strain of Protestantism took over the universities and dropped the belief in God as a way to outcompete their religious competition in… Read more »

btp
Member
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Anyone who imagines Christianity is radically egalitarian is not familiar with any NT writing. The reason St. Paul gets a bad rap these days is simply because of his emphasis on hierarchy.

And then there’s all those irritating things Jesus was saying about the last being first because the Lord can do whatever He wants.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

Hi btp, it’s fine if you decide not to agree with this take, but you should at least be familiar with its arguments. In his 1928 tract “Commissary to the Gentiles: The First to See the Possibilities of War by Propaganda”, Marcus Eli Ravage, a Jew, makes the argument that Christianity was deliberately crafted as a weapon against Rome (later echoed by others such as Jewish historian Heinrich Graetz). I will quote from it: “[Saul had] perceived, to begin with, how utterly hopeless were the chances of little Judea winning out in an armed conflict against the greatest military power… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

“Anyone who imagines Christianity is radically egalitarian is not familiar with any NT writing.”

That’s simply not true. You may be correct that the truth of Christianity is not radically egalitarian. But in today’s time, most of the people who have read the New Testament think that it is, at least judging by what the clear majority of Christians say and how they act.

AntiFatmerican
AntiFatmerican
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

That is dumb analysis— Christianity is more than the words on some fragments and mistranslated scrolls that survived a few centuries in a buried jar somewhere in the desert. It had a real social context. It began as a religion for slaves in the Roman Empire. Soon after it became popular with senators’ wives.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

This argument about Saul being and remaining Pharisee through and through is why Friedrich Nietzsche characterized him as being the greatest disaster to befall Christianity (in his work, The Antichrist). Your acceptance of this as the governing impulse behind his “conversion” only adds weight to his insight. This scurilous and unprincipled Jevv, beavering away at turning the message of Jesus and his ministry to the evil ends of the Sanhedrin is frankly sickening. Nietzsche knew this, and this knowledge informed his critique of the resulting “slave morality” of Pauline “Christianity” really requires to be understood.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Could you explain the relationship between Aristotle and Protestantism?

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Hi Ostei, sure. The central factor for exiting the Middle Ages was that after more than 600 years, in the century between 1150 and 1250, the West recovered all of the major works of Aristotle. This occurred as a result of increasing contacts with the culture of the Muslims, who had found a full copy of Aristotle’s works in a Syrian basement in the 600s — the most momentous archaeological discovery in history. Once they were reintroduced by the West, they were translated from Arabic and other tongues into Latin, organized and systematized, and soon became widely known. Aristotle’s writings… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

While I like much of Holland’s work, my reaction to the study of classical antiquity was quite the opposite of his. Here was a world with values perfectly consonant with my own- a world which worshipped strength, virtue, honor and was consistent with biological reality. It was a world that made sense to me, unlike the current iteration. Yes, it could be cruel, but so is the lion from the perspective of the gazelle.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

That may be so, but Christianity as a religion was a huge memetic improvement over paganism, and that is why it eventually won. By claiming that converts to Christianity were morally superior to Romans in the eyes of God so long as they believed in Christ (a slave equal or superior to the Emperor!), and by creating Heaven and Hell as a massive carrot and stick that pagan religions lacked (Hades wasn’t much of a motivator for anyone as everyone ended up there), with an all-seeing spying God that constantly watched and judged your every action, Paul created a supercharged… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  neoliberal feudalism
1 year ago

Certainly, paganism had no adequate answer for the Christian vision of salvation and its universal (catholic) dispensation. Also, by late antiquity, paganism had fallen far from its stoic roots into a debauched epicureanism that ceded the moral and ethical high ground to Christians. No social order is permanent or incorruptible.

I do not gratuitously bash Christianity. Christian civilization had profound achievements, but its germ of egalitarianism grew into the noxious weed of equalism, which now threatens to strangle all achievement, and the judgment by which it is recognized.

neoliberal feudalism
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

Exactly correct.

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

Amen, so to speak.

I would add that prosperity and technological advances have probably had at least as much as Christianity to do with the feminization of Western men over the past 70 or so years. But for way longer than that, Christianity has been the sole provider of cover for a lot of egalitarian mischief

Anonymous Frog
Anonymous Frog
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.
Oswald Spengler, The Hour of Decision

ray
ray
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

Christianity is strictly hierarchic. Just because Lucy-fer and the Churchians down the centuries turned part of Christianihy to Jacobian egalitee invalidates neither Christ nor authentic Christianity. The abstraction and idol of Equality was born direct from the devil’s mind. It is at least as old as Babylon, which practiced it between men and women. Didn’t work out well for them either. Likewise, the Kingdom of Heaven is hierarchic. Nothing to do with egalitee, which was and is the chosen ‘religion’ of goddess-worshippers. One time the apostles got squabbling about who was gonna sit at the King’s right hand, you know,… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 year ago

Cruelty will always be there and comes in many forms.

All the left wing “niceness” has destroyed standards and quality, lead to countless murdered by street crime, broken families, STDs, endless mental problems, murdered babies, and now butchery of children’s genitals.

As always, the real question when it comes down to it is “Who, whom?” or who is to be master.

btp
Member
1 year ago

“The way to defeat the prevailing orthodoxy is by presenting an alternative moral order with a vision of the future that promises salvation for the intended audience.” The American Evangelical movement never worked because the salvation it offered had no political traction. Or, its political traction was essentially libertarian – it accepted a separation of church and state and merely wanted to be left alone. A salvation idea that just wanted to grill out on weekends, really. The Left is good at Hovering up all the things Christians might think are sins these days – not fornication in any form,… Read more »

WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

As an attorney, I handled many child custody cases in the ’90s, and at the time I knew that nothing good would come of these children’s plight, their wellbeing ignored so Dad could cat around, or Mom could find herself. It was horrifying to watch, all these people who did not care about the harm a broken home would visit on their kids. They were usually already dumping them in daycare, so the kids were well on their way to feeling they didn’t merit an adequate amount of a parent’s attention, while living a life of regimentation that would make… Read more »

Member
1 year ago

What strikes me is the neat way that the one racially aware and very, very powerful white group in this country, white Southerners, were first betrayed by their party and leaders beginning in the 1950s and into the 1960s, then moving to create a solid voting bloc for the Republicans, who then, with the cult of Lincoln, made sure to betray white Southerners again in the 1970s to the present day. If there is one thread connecting American domestic political history since 1945 and the Roosevelt administration, it has been the successful effort of both political parties to take any… Read more »

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

*applause.* Well said, my friend.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

I’m not refuting anything you’re saying, yet I can’t help noticing how the country has become more Southern, in the sense of multiracial. Even the architecture— in the past few years ‘affordable housing’, i.e., condo complexes with carports, city diversity, white slobs. I remember seeing these things down south in the 90’s. Identity politics, civil war, neofeudalism (plantations), etc. That isn’t to say the South has risen again. Money and power might be relocating down there, but I don’t get the sense it’s a move by Southern elites. Rather, I imagine elites have figured out it’s an effective model to… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Southerners had no options open, once nominal Southern Democrats like Missouri’s Truman, or Texas’s Johnson turned Judas for their 30 pieces of silver and the chance to be President and betrayed their own people, while knifing segregationist white Democratic leaders like Strom Thurmond in the back, making them men without a party. They were refugees who had to join a party founded on the principle of bloody, muderous hatred of white Southerners as junior partners who, ever since, have had to swallow being the unwanted stepchildren of that party, and any white Southern politician in the Vichy Republican Party knows… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Pickle Rick
1 year ago

Republicans were a northern, industrial party. Then the GD hit (or was engineered depending who you ask), and FDR led a political realignment. WWII, Great Migration, etc. No more Norman Rockwell paintings. It hasn’t gone well for the North, either, since then. Minus the blood, of course, but the cities are wrecked and huge swathes of countryside paved over, shuttered factories, people and ways of life dislocated. Done with debt instead of guns, and quietly. Blacks used against whites in both cases. Made for some strange bedfellows in the Republican Party, lol. It’s the financial power that done it imo,… Read more »

AntiFatmerican
AntiFatmerican
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Yes, Bill Clinton was the quintessential white Southerner president. Cheap shots aside, I wouldn’t blame the South for white slobs. The whole school uniforms vogue of the 90s comes to mind (Bill campaigned on this), but not sure I’d blame the North either. The collapse in comportment may have been slower in the South, however, when one’s social life revolves around television, or today social media, it figures we’d grt dress egalitarianism, aka lowest-common-denominator wardrobe. I am middle aged and a city boy by upbringing. Now when I am in a globo-homo outpost like a Starbucks or a Target, and… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  AntiFatmerican
1 year ago

There are white slobs everywhere lol. I was referring more to the condo complexes and the people who tend to live there. Saw them first in the South. Not that I necessarily think it’s an intrinsically Southern phenomenon, either, but it’s a way of building ‘communities’ that I first saw down there. And maybe they were doing it in New England, too, idk, but I think of northern burbs, and it’s single family homes or apartment buildings until recently.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

Reading about that artist from Austria lately and what struck me is that he was a decent organizer. The organization that he helped build was actually a parallel government and therefore when the time came the transition to a National Socialist government was not a transition into the unknown with institutions just no longer in place. Now granted in todays America our rulers are not going to let a completely parallel government exist but we have to find ways to build our own institutions of some kind. Maybe that’s just a local county government for now, maybe we can salvage… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

Oh I beg to differ. The left is already doing it, all of the “bad guy” units eg; burn loot and murder, pantifa, the alphabet people groups, peta, etc. they have a structure, philosophy, long-range plan and most importantly AN ENEMY. That’s us. I read a thread a while ago from someone writing on the “Jacobin” website and he laid out the lefts plan in detail. He didn’t name call, or anything like that, but he did pose a question to us, “If the government collapsed tomorrow, we have an alternative government waiting to go that can step into the… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Steve
1 year ago

Isn’t that somewhat akin to, say, Sweden telling Russia that once the GAE dies they’ll still have the EU ready to step into the breach?

And do what?

The left has been able to build their parallel institutions because they all have the sanction and protection of the existing, all-powerful state. If and when the current Dons and caporegimes are liquidated, how sustainable will these parallel institutions actually be? I don’t have the answer, but I suspect that maintaining them will likely be far more difficult without their current benefactors.

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

I did a bit of looking into David Petraeus and his backing of the New North America. Shallow Patriotism was preyed upon by these types that decided we needed to build a weird China in order to compete with them. Our education system also failed miserably. The Declaration was a list of grievances made for the non-British Continental powers to grant the colonies rebellion legitimacy surrounded by propaganda to inspire the rebels to war and let them know that the elite were pledging their life to the cause. All men are created equal was a slight at hereditary monarchy/aristocracy and… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

I’ll give a start – Rule No. 1: Freedom of association. Not just freedom to peaceably assemble (which is what the current piece of crapola recites), but to choose to associate or not with any others in any endeavor.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Absolutely agree.

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WhereAreTheVikings
WhereAreTheVikings
Reply to  c matt
1 year ago

Beat me to it. Freedom of Association – the first domino.

George 3
George 3
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

One of the complaints of the rebels was that the government in London was limiting immigration to the colonies.

They were literally fighting for open borders.

LOL

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  George 3
1 year ago

No they were not fighting for open borders. They wanted only white men of good character. They said so explicitly in the very first immigration act. Moreover, they wanted white men from the British island as they wanted a common people.

Anonymous Frog
Anonymous Frog
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

The head of Prager U is literally “former” Israeli intelligence agent psychological warfare division. PragerU tweeted it out.

Xman
Xman
1 year ago

The Declaration was never intended to be a revolutionary egalitarian or inclusive document. To the contrary, it was a conservative document citing the rights of Englishmen from the Glorious Revolution of 1688. Sure, it mentions Locke’s natural rights, but the key phrase is “that to secure these rights, governments (PLURAL) are instituted among men.” In other words, other races and cultures have a natural right to institute governments to secure their rights according to their own circumstances. Jefferson was specifically trying to secure the rights of the English Bill of Rights, most of which later ended up the American Bill… Read more »

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

Ol’ Tom warn’t much on the Redskins, either.

btp
Member
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
1 year ago

Commanders, man.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Xman
1 year ago

It really doesn’t matter what it says, though. What matters is how it is used. In any case, the Declaration of Independence is not long for this country. A few hardcore lefties on college campuses have already put it out there – the document is a racist document written by a slaveowner and is no longer acceptable for our times. At some point the cultural commissars will declare this to be the new standard, as they have done so many other times. It won’t be taught and people who bring it up will be called racist. Instead we will learn… Read more »

David Wright
Member
1 year ago

Well I’m not going to sit here and do nothing. Recently fighting back with tools to win back my country,
Joining Crowder’s Mug Club
Buying a Jeremy’s Razor subscription from Daily Wire.
and when one presents itself, a nice cruise vacation on the USS National Review cruise ship.
This all typed in my office with my prized photo taken with Sen. Tim Scott and myself hanging over my desk.

What will you gents do?

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

Remember to vote harder-harder in the next plebiscite. Protect OUR sacred Democracy!
-Brought to you by Pfizer and Dominion

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

You are going all out D Dubbz. That is an impressive set of actions you are taking. I think your kit should also include the Shapiro cell phone plan and a complete catalog of Jordan Peterson’s books. Then you’ll be fully equipped to duke it out with The Man.

Don’t forget to make your bed.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

He won’t be fully equipped until his wallet contains a 2X3 of him posing next to Candace Owens, both wearing MAGA hats.

Frito Pendejo
Frito Pendejo
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

For the low low price of $40/year, I’m buying a Reagan.com email address to spread the virtues of conservatism.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Frito Pendejo
1 year ago

I had to look that one up to confirm you weren’t just making a joke. How could that possibly be real? $40 a year probably isn’t even worth dealing with the technophobic Boomers and all the problems they will have with their Reagan email addresses.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Barnard
1 year ago

Who you calling “technophobic”, young whippersnapper?

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

I donate monthly so the starving elderly jews of Ukraine won’t go hungry.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Spingehra
1 year ago

Those tv commercials were a great start years ago for me being red-pilled on the JQ. I had questions about the starving chosen and it didn’t add up just why Israel didn’t take care of their own.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

I’m working hard to get my degree from Prager U.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
1 year ago

If our currency collapses, many of these political issues are going to resolve themselves. As I write, I note that Japan is now openly buying Russian oil with rubles.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
1 year ago

Much of the current oppression, I think, is calculated to pre-empt reaction to economic misery. It will not work.

Fwi
Fwi
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
1 year ago

The US dollar as the world’s reserve currency has always been like water to a fish. No-one even bothers to understand or notice that it is the only thing underpinning our corrupt Fed. When the British pound collapsed, the Empire quickly collapsed. The strong, world supported dollar is no longer sustainable. Protection of property rights and stability of the rule of law made the strong dollar what it was. And those two principles are anathema to the current “ ruling” class

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Saying that the american conservative movement conserved nothing is wrong on a couple of accounts. Beginning with the nature of that movement. It was always an alliance of several disparate groups – which can be seen as differing cultures. The dissident right is mostly people who were from the “cultural conservative” camp – with roots stretching back to Scotts-Irish settlers in the 17th century. The people that managed and organized the conservative coalition were economic conservatives – primarily concerned with protecting their wealth and privilege – with roots stretching back to the oligarchs of the 19th century. The latter conserved… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

This was something Rush Limbaugh would harp on *way* back in the early nineties in that the left has it easy in that all their groups (at the time) wanted “more government”, it didn’t have to be good, it didn’t have to deliver what they wanted, it just had to be “more”. OTOH conservatives, generally wanted “less”, but it was made up of a dozen or more groups that wanted it “less” in their own particular way so no force (outside of sometimes the 2nd amendment groups) could be brought to bear to enforce their vision. That’s the “generous” reading,… Read more »

btp
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

Isn’t Limbaugh *the* problem with the conservative movement? Obese, married four times, no children, pals with Elton John…

He was conservatism in the ’90s and beyond.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  btp
1 year ago

Because he was one of the great talkers, his solution to every problem was to talk your way out of it. “Facts & logic,” libs OWNED and DESTROYED, “change my mind,” hypocrisy/petard/DR3/etc., are his legacy more than anyone’s. The internet’s idea of “debate”/dialogue is modeled on how he (and Air America in imitation of him) talked to hostile callers, not on Plato or Anglo debate societies or even Buckley/Gore. A loud fat guy on pills in the middle of his third divorce because he’s some kind of gay—tonight on cozy.tv!

joeyjünger
joeyjünger
1 year ago

I just completed a road trip with a close friend who is still clinging to creedalism, although slowly coming over to our side. Were he not a friend from childhood, his maintained faith in the system might be enough of a reason for me to no longer hang out with him. In addition to his creedalism, he’s a bit of a goofball into conspiracy theories. When I say “conspiracy theories” I don’t mean things that are true that our rulers label “conspiracy theories” in order to hide malfeasance. No, I’m talking about a faked moon landing and chemtrails, stuff like… Read more »

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  joeyjünger
1 year ago

Conspiracy theories are useful in that they undermine the deference to authority that our system is built upon. Which is why tptb get so apoplectic about them.

So i’d encourage him in those and gradually introduce real conspiracies to him.

IME people that believe some such theories is nutty ones are more open to others, including real conspiracies. In that way the crazy ones are a kind of gateway.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  joeyjünger
1 year ago

BTW. The moon-landing faked photos conspiracies theories could be true. It’s entirely possible that the US government staged photo ops of the moon landings to build support for the program because the actual pictures were either low quality or damage in some way. If that sounds far fetched, i point out that we’ve all seen NASA videos of probes flying by some planet, asteroid or comet, whatever. All of those are computer simulations, ie cgi. Those are presented as reality – although when pressed they admit that they’re simulations. It seams entirely plausible that they did the same at the… Read more »

joey jünger
joey jünger
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

Yeah, belief in the moon landing is very much tied to one’s nation of origin. Something like two-thirds of Russians believe it was faked. Your average American would suggest this was due to their xenophobia toward us and patriotic loyalty to their own space program. Which suggests at least that our own view of things is clouded by patriotic good vibes. I honestly don’t know or even care at this point. It’s so cluttered up with Musk’s cubesats in space that it hardly matters.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

I’m inclined to believe the moon landings and probes are real. It’s just hard for us in 2023 to imagine our government able to do such a thing. It’s like how western Europeans in the year 700 couldn’t fathom that domes and aqueducts were built by fellow Europeans and not aliens or gods. We were a highly capable people just a short time ago. And it’s all withered away, and now we can’t build train routes much less space shuttles. In time, we’re going to wonder how people even drove cars around and maintained them. “It must have been a… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

There is a time machine.
It was builtby some really smart people a long time ago.

Jim in Alaska
Member
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

I’ve no problem with the reality of the moon landing, I did, back in the day, question some of the photos and still do.

We Hate Everyone
We Hate Everyone
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

The whole driving a dune buggy thing sealed the deal for me. “Hey, I bet we can get these chumps to believe this”
Never bet against the stupidity of the average Merrikun.
I try not to be stupid, and I like to try and at least keep it above the Mendoza line. In this day and age, it takes a lot more practice for sure.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

But I would think the lack of atmosphere on the moon would make for better photography.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dinodoxy
1 year ago

I am open to the suggestion that they staged photos, but the landings were real. We have photos of the landing sites from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

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Moonhoaxing and flateartherism are enemy meme warfare, designed to make “conspiracy theorists” look crazy.

@Marko
America could easily replicate the Apollo program, provided you were willing to spend 1% of GDP for the next ten years, like with the original program. But what would be the point?

Anonymous Frog
Anonymous Frog
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

I believe the regime claims they are sending people to Mars? 2030? Social security runs out of money in 2027 so how does that work?

ray
ray
Reply to  joeyjünger
1 year ago

I spent many years living in rural and wilderness areas and I can assure you that chem-trails were, and are, quite real in specific parts of America.