If you go to certain parts of Europe, one of the things you will experience is this class of people who sort of exist and sort of not exist. They exist, as in they are part of non-contextual reality, but everyone tries to ignore them. You notice them when their children beg for money or try to sell you some useless trinkets. This is often just a way to distract you while they steal your wallet. These are, of course, Gypsies or what the cultural enforcers call the Roma people.
Gypsies are not everywhere. In Paris it feels like they are everywhere if you hang around the tourist areas. In Copenhagen there are no Gypsies, at least not in the main areas like you see in tourist traps. They exist in Denmark. Official statistics say there are about 5,000 Gypsies in the country, but the nature of Danish society makes the pick-pocket lifestyle impossible for them. Instead, they find other ways to sustain themselves that do not involve street crime.
In other parts of Europe, they will be in what amounts to Gypsy ghettos. This is most common in the old communist bloc. Ghettoization of minorities has been the habit in that part of the world for a long time. With lots of different people thrown together in artificially constructed kingdoms, the best solution to social conflict was peaceful separation, so minority troublesome populations ended up in ghettos. This persists today for universally despised populations like Gypsies.
That is one of the first puzzles about the Gypsies. Throughout Europe they are hated, and they have always been hated. Even the efforts to embrace the new American religion regarding diversity and inclusion has not extended to the Gypsies. No amount of hectoring can overcome centuries of hatred. That raises an obvious question as to why these people continue to exist as a population. Why have they not disappeared through assimilation and self-deportation?
This becomes even more of a puzzle when you see that the locals have not just treated these people as pariahs. Some people have probably heard about the organized murder of Jews in the Second World War, but the murder of the Gypsy population dwarfs the other persecutions. Half of the Gypsy population was killed in the war, mostly because it was an opportunity to kill them. The locals just took advantage of the opportunity to rid themselves of these people.
Logic says that if you are at risk of death living where you live, then you would be smart to find a new place to live. American suburbs exist because of this logic. Fearing black crime, white people moved from cities into the surrounding suburbs. The Jewish population in American swelled a century ago because Jews were under constant threat in the Russian empire. The great wave of Jewish immigrants at the end of the 19th century was mostl from the fringes of Tsarist Russia.
Despite facing “you’re not welcome” signs all over Europe, the Gypsy population remains a fixture. It says something about a people that they want to be somewhere that they are not wanted and will never be accepted. It could simply be that alienation reinforces their culture. They hang together because it is impossible for their members to assimilate into greater society. This results in their culture having a hostile and parasitic relationship with the host population.
This process operates for other subgroups. The Travelers in the English-speaking world are a lot like the Gypsies. They are not Gypsies. They are Irish, Scots, and English that probably came into existence in the 17th century. The people we are now supposed to call the Roma are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group that migrated out of the Indian subcontinent around 1000 AD. Despite having no biological, linguistic, or cultural connection to Gypsies, Travelers are remarkably similar.
The theory is that Travelers became landless people who learned to survive travelling around doing labor and stealing. That last part is what made them social pariahs and isolated them from the rest of society. Most likely, those who could integrate back into society and wanted to do it, were boiled off. The result was a selection process in favor of people with a strong desire for the lifestyle and the ability to serve the people inside their clans, resulting in an increase in Traveler-ness.
This turns up in genetic studies. Closed populations will tend to have specific genetic issues due to the founding population having those traits and the consequences of marriage only within the group. The Amish are another good example. What this means is that once a group is cut off from the main group, a process develops that reinforces this separation both culturally and biologically. In the case of the Gypsies, who they are depends in part on being despised by the host population.
Interestingly, Gypsies appear to be quite dull. Intelligence studies put their average IQ in the mid-70’s, which is what you see with Somalis. This may explain why they are most common in the duller parts of Europe, like the Balkans. A population of parasitic simpletons is not going to do well amongst the high-IQ Swedes, but they can survive among the atomized and tribal population in the Balkans. Even so, it is surprising that they have survived at all given their limitations.
As a comparison, Irish Travelers check in at around eighty-seven compared to the average for the Irish population of ninety-two. This makes sense. Their origin story suggests they were the losers in an economic game of musical chairs. Rather than end up in ghettos and trailer parks, which did not exist, they ended up as itinerant workers and thieves. In the modern age they are known for living in caravan parks, which are a rough equivalent to the American mobile home park.
The persistence of Gypsies raises another question. The open society that is being forced upon the West requires assimilation. It is assumed that minority populations wish to assimilate but are prevented from doing so because of whiteness. The Gypsies and the Travelers are two good examples of minority populations that refuse to assimilate because they know they would cease to exist if they did assimilate. The open society people have the same Gypsy problem as the fascists.
Of course, the question at the root of it all is what does the majority do about a minority population that cannot and will not fit into society? This is a problem that has vexed political philosophy since John Stuart Mill. You can force them to comply, but this comes at a cost, and it creates new problems like social unrest. You can remove them, but as we see with Gypsies, they just keep coming back. Even the mass murder of Gypsies in the last century did not remove them from Europe.
The irony is that the solution the world has arrived upon for dealing with this problem is the one which caused the problem in the first place. The isolation of unassimilable and incompatible people is what you see everywhere, not just with Gypsies. The “solution” to the Gypsy problem is to try to keep them bottled up on the fringes of society, which ensures that there will also be a steady supply of Gypsies. The solution to the problem makes sure the problem is never solved.
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White societies attract subgroups like the gypsies and that special tribe because only white Christians tolerate hostile and/or disruptive minorities once the society gets beyond basic survival. I can’t think of a non white society that would turn over their media to a hostile minority and then let that minority police what is permissable in the country. It is a white Christian thing to let minorities indoctrinate the majority into believing that everything is the majority’s fault because they are inherently evil. Compare Muslims committing terrorism in White countries with China and other Asian countries. When the Uyghurs stabbed and… Read more »
The problem that you describe seems to be more of an affluent white people problem, rather than a problem with Christianity. For example, the relatively non-Christian, atheistic white countries in the Netherlands have the same problem.
What we have here seems to be an allegory about those who must be named.
There is, in fact, a final solution to the problem of an unassimilable minority. Admittedly somewhat distateful in its implementation details, it’s been tried many times in the past and as you also mentioned, got interrupted halfway through in its biggest application to date.
If only it had been true.
If only!
Yes, there is a final solution, and it’s called … wait for it … eugenics. A little sterilization goes a long way. But eugenics is now such a thought crime that it can’t even be considered.
I support abortion on demand for non-whites for the same reasons.
Can’t happen. Meritocracy (originally an epithet) selects against being smart enough to design a eugenics program. To the degree that we already live in a livestock breeding sim, it’s run by Bill Gates, who’s not intelligent enough to understand this comment. How’s it going? Any hordes being repressed anywhere?
I’ll say to you what should be said to all who believe in eugenics: “After you!”
Ethnic groups that exist inside the territory of a larger ethnic group and never integrate must feel contempt for that larger ethnic group since that is the only thing that will keep them from integrating and disappearing. You even see that with the Amish. You can virtually feel the contempt when they call you “English” even though they try to hide it. The Amish to their credit do not desire to make their living “feeding” off that dominant ethnic group, but instead just wish to segregate themselves, and that works in a country as big as America.
We lived in an OH county with large Amish population, featured in Chamber of Commerce ads, and at the annual County Fair with their buggy races etc. The men worked at our kids’ private school in maintenance and landscape, no problem working with power tools. I never had the women for domestic cleaning help, but you could see them being dropped off from a van for their day work at homes and picked up later. Many were “slow”/borderline retarded. Lots of inbreeding, sort of like a certain sect of Mormons, with genetic medical conditions they would rather not discuss in… Read more »
Maybe the coolest science fiction story ever began with a camp of gypsies staring intently at their fire in a Bavarian forest in 1642…
In the air above the fire, a glimmer, a gleam, and a shining door seemed to open in midair…
Through the door stepped a young man, dark haired, dark eyed, his face betraying nothing as he stared silently back at them.
A young, handsome man…
Dressed in a Nazi officer’s uniform.
Gypsy life is kept distinct and quite alien to whatever culture they have invaded through several devices. The population is kept illiterate, deliberately so because children who could read might find their way into the world as adults. Children, at times, may have been forced into public school, but the Gypsy lifestile makes for an easy out soon enough. Language. The born in America Gypsy can speak conversationally with any Gypsy in the world as Jews once did in Yiddish. Gypsies arrange all marriges, and before the lucky couple are in puberty. Roles are well defined and executed early. There… Read more »
I was told by a Transylvanian of King Billy’s wedding party. King Billy, King of all the Gypsies. He wears chain after chain of gold on his chest. King Billy’s daughter had just turned 15, so it was time for her to be wed. Celebrities and aristocrats, crowned and titled, even sheiks and rajas were there. Luxury cars littered the grounds. Fine carriages with proud horses, tossing their haughty heads, festooned with feathers and silver bridles, made their way up the lanes. Candles lit the trees. And between those trees, strode the barefoot merrymakers in their fine clothes- for King… Read more »
This is one of those things you have to learn as you get older – the world will never be perfect. The best thing you can is perfect yourself and in the process make yourself immune from groups like the Gypsies.
Trying to get rid of the Gypsies is like trying to get rid of the darkness. It exists, it will always exist. The wisest thing you can do is learn to identify it immediately and keep your distance.
Unusual choice of topics for today’s essay, and not something I’m all that keen to comment about. But on the general subject of persisting minority populations, there is something that needs to be said that always ruffles the feathers of the DR types. Miscegenation is the solution, not the problem. America, for example, would not have an African-American racial issue today if more white men would have taken black wives. Even today, it would only take 20% of the available white men to marry 100% of the available black women. The next generation would consist of mulattos raised with overall… Read more »
?!? MISCEGENATION ?!?
Who the he11 is poasting this sh!znat?
Steve Sailer in his new role as David Barnea’s shabbos goyische pitbull?
Wow! Such eloquence! I frequently read Sailer and he is definitely not in favor of race-mixing–not with blacks, anyway. Also, adherents of the Black Party Line and their clueless white and minority allies have found small satisfaction in reading his Unz posts and his book about Obama and Company. The above poster seems to be a provocateur rather than a serious commentator (22-0 in favor of the downvotes, and the day is not done). But he’s definitely not Sailer writing under a nom de plume.
Who are you?
Steve Jr?
crabe-tambour: Sailer and his sycophants are civnats to the core. They all whinge about blaqs but remain utterly unaware of their own ethnic behavior (juice, asians, hapas, etc.). He is a not a figure of admiration by most here, so keep your paeans to yourself.
“so keep your paeans to yourself”
The same could be say to TomA. Ho, ho!
Is this not the ultimate goal of the GR? Isn’t that why every couple on TV is mixed? Did you decide if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em?
For his part, the Mulatto in Chief, Chicago Jesus, raised by shitlib whites, did not assimilate.
Jeffrey Zoar: “the Mulatto in Chief, Chicago Jesus, raised by shitlib whites, did not assimilate”
Unitardians gonna unitard.
[Replete with the great big 6″ bulge for Michael’s c1itoris…]
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/12/obama_from_unitarian_to_libera_1.html
Not only is this batshit crazy, but the premise itself is fatally flawed. We know from basic genetics that miscegenation theoretically could mitigate genetically linked black behavioral problems, but even with that dilution the same problems would persist. American blacks are around twenty percent white even now. And, to belabor the obvious, miscegenation would corrupt and poison white genes and behavioral traits. The only solution is separation or elimination. What you suggest would increase the pool of people with horribly defective genetic traits and decrease the pool with superior traits.
Being a black person is not a defective genetic trait. It is not Downs Syndrome or Tay-Sachs. Being black is immaterial to whether or not one is a genetically healthy and normal human being, and I defy anyone to explicitly say otherwise.
But indeed, this is exactly the type of “science” you get from the HBD crowd, which tells you everything you need to know about those of that persuasion.
Intelligent Dasein:
1. For the pseudo HBD crowd and quantifying the qualitative, stick with Sailer. Most here have a more complete and sophisticated understanding of racial differences.
2. Blacks are not ‘normal’ homo sapiens sapiens. They are of a different and earlier proto-human ancestry, as evidenced by every gene and cell and organ in their bodies – definitely including their brains.
Exactly, that daft numptie
. Neanderthal’s job was to wipe out the obsolete forms, such as African Erectus and South Asian Pacific Aboriginal.
Too damm bad so many got away.
I’d rather a continent of Gypsies than two continents- three, if you count India- of darkies.
Genes linked to intellect and violence have been documented a long while now. They at best are recessive but likely dominant. But it kind of rubs the pedos in pointy hats to hear such things from their flock, so I get it.
“… this is exactly the type of “science” you get from the HBD crowd,…”
Spoken like a true know-nothing, ID. There is realm of science over decades acknowledging racial differences. These studies can be cited for your perusal, but why? You’d never read them.
You respond out of emotion not intellect. That was apparent in you Unz postings of long past. You put up a pretty good front here, and fooled a lot of people, but now are revealed—as you were in Unz.
Find another home with folk more to your liking.
Black people are human beings.
Miscegenation would lead to a great leveling. No highs, no lows, just a vast mediocrity.
Think how much of a loss it would be if progress in science, medicine, technology, sports, music, philosophy, art were left to mediocre talent. I think we’re about to find out.
I nominate ID to take one for the team by shacking up with a big sassy mammy.
Well, the next Pope to be is rumored to be from darkest Africa…
Do they have Pride Parades in Sub-Saharan African countries? Surely Pride Parade participation will be a pre-requisite for the next occupant of Peter Palace.
ID, perhaps your worse idea ever! Again, put crudely, “How many drops of shit does it take to spoil a gallon of vanilla ice cream?” So the White race extinguishes itself by taking on 50% sub-Saharan genes? OK, so that’s not quite what happens as the Blacks you speak of are 25% admixture already, and there’s a bit of mathematics regarding a new average IQ, but those reading get my point. Many years ago, my cousin went to a Jesuit HS here and got into a bit of trouble with another freshman student. The was during the first week. The… Read more »
In order for your argument about Obama to hold water, you would have to demonstrate how Obama, as president, was any worse for having been half black, than would have been a standard-issue white liberal president (e.g. Hillary Clinton or Tim Kaine). I don’t think anybody believes that, not even you. My argument, on the other hand, is totally different. I am not under any illusions about human nature, and I know that “not all who’s skin to me is kin to me,” as the brothers say. I don’t believe America would be free of problems if it were 100%… Read more »
Based upon that staggering phalanx of straw men, I would, if I didn’t know better, conclude you were entirely ignorant of Z-man and his commentariat. Instead, I presume you are a bit touched.
Yes indeed. No better than our old troll, Tiny Duck. He has better verbal skills however—sweet words, with little substance or reason, but always lengthy. As to the “touched” part, probably spot on. These folk need an audience for their unsupported emotional rants. Perhaps it’s best to not feed this new troll.
Dasein is a regular here. I’ll abstain on voting on his essay. However, I also allow that he is perhaps being a devil’s advocate here, or even being satirical. I’ve heard the same sentiment expressed by the younger generation as a solution to racism: “Let’s all f–k until everybody is the same color.”
Agreed. Bold lad does like to test the margins.
To our credit, we did give fair trails these bad ideas of outrageous hubris. In each, was some audacious noggin saying, “I can be betterer than the best!”
Now, how do we get back out? Can’t strain the sh*t out of the milkshake.
Maybe, but it seemed designed (heh) to be taken literally. I think it is more a matter of morality and theology with ID, a very, very sharp guy, than science. I cannot fathom how religious faiths and orders peddle such nonsense but should not have been critical of the guy’s faith earlier, either, and am sorry about that part.
But only that part.
T’sokay.
I deleted a rant about anything, ANYthing, any strategem to push the monstrous “One J**ish Father of us all” idea.
Like stone, that subconscious inference.
Thanks, Jack. This is not the forum for developing the argument in full. It really requires a long-form essay. The constraints of a short blog comment may be lending it a brash, in-your-face quality that I don’t really intend. Hopefully, someday you can read what I really wanted to write. I daresay you might even find something in there worth considering. But it’s a tough sell to those who have been tainted by HBD thinking. I gather that Sailer is not very popular on this blog, which I am quite pleased and thankful to see. But it needs to go… Read more »
“This is not the forum for developing the argument in full. It really requires a long-form essay.”
You’ve said this more than once—or something similar—in the short time you’ve been posting.
As I was once told, if you can’t boil your presentation down to your audience’s level of understanding, then perhaps you don’t really understand what you are saying. You seem to use as many words here, actually more, than most commenters—yet….
Perhaps you are in the wrong forum?
You’ve
” … there is something that needs to be said that always ruffles the feathers of the DR types.”
You got that right. Consider every one of my feathers ruffled.
Got stones, dude.
We could maybe save some of the blacks…if only we certainly sacrifice ourselves!
So noble. So enlightened.
Your glory is too bright for me to look at!
You first. Let us know.
There was a thread on Nextdoor about a year ago about how the Gypsies had invaded the Pacific Northwest and specifically the Portland area. I made it clear that I didn’t care much for Gypsies but was also sure they’d clean up due to the huge number of gullible shitlib White cucks in the area who would gladly swallow their stories about needing money for grandma’s medication and the general lack of effective law enforcement. So I insulted the local shitlibs *and* their latest pet victim group. Normally when I make these posts they get deleted in a few hours.… Read more »
No city deserves what it got as much as Portland, OR. Well, maybe San Fran. Portland is the purest example of suidical liberal beliefs. The frustrating thing is that absolutely refuse to see the connections between their beliefs and the ruin of the city.
I said this to my liberal friend, who fled Portland because of crime, and steam came out of his ears. But he knew that he couldn’t argue the point.
The latest shitlib scam is that the governments in all the counties *around* Portland, like the still relatively sane Washington County, are setting up “homeless pods”. These are little mobile encampments of “tiny houses” (basically something like a shipping container) that are being set up, at taxpayer expense of course, all around neighborhoods that have so far escaped the crime and chaos of Portland. Each “pod” is basically 60 or so hard core addicts, criminals, and other social refuseniks, with a lone “attendant”. The attendant is supposed to keep order – somehow. This being Oregon, I’m guessing they will be… Read more »
I can hardly claim credit for this “conspiracy theory.” But I speculate that what you describe is an up-to-date version of blockbusting. Especially with today’s huge asset management firms, I suspect that neighborhoods will suffer for a while, property values crash as folks flee. But someone ends up buying those homes and probably at cheap prices. And then, once the area is played out, lo and behold, the local government will finally notice that law and order must be restored, and…. I believe this gambit was done in the 1990s in South Central LA. Back then it was black gangs… Read more »
Exactly right. Blockbusting follows the money that fled.
The American dream is to make enough money to escape the consequences of the Civil Rights movement.
My family is from Portland and I remember my father warning me about gypsies. That was in 1980. He even drove me by the house where the “king” of the gypsies lived.
In about 1990 I remember a nurse in one of the local hospitals warning me that there was a gypsy patient and that was why there were a bunch of swarthy looking men and women hanging around, and that they would steal anything.
Gypsies in Portland are nothing new and actually now aren’t any worse than all the other druggies and lowlifes everywhere.
I see what ya did there Z. The Gypsy’s are a very clever analogy to our blacks, and hispanics. One could intuit the “small hats,” but they are more than well assimilated as they control American finance, politics, and culture.
They have managed to flip the script and marginalize the founding stock.
In other words, we have been conquered by the diaspora.
Not a lot of experience with the Gypsies, but I find myself wondering if “Dey season Dey food”?
About the IQ similarities : form follow function.
THE TINKERMANS’ DAUGHTER All the wee birds were lining the bleak autumn branches Preparing to fly to a far distant shore When the tinkers made camp at the bend in the river Coming back from the horsefair in Ballinasloe. The harvest being over the farmer came walking Along the Feale River that bordered his land And twas there he first saw her twixt firelight and water The Tinkerman’s daughter, The Red Headed Ann. Next morning he rose from a night without resting Went straight to her father and made his case known. In a pub in Listowel they worked out… Read more »
Z, you need to read Lavengro. Derb recommends it, and so do I.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/30792/30792-h/30792-h.htm
I’ve mentioned before the long lost history of a judaic tribe in India. They were a slave empire noted for their brutality. So hated by their neighbors they were destroyed when their power faltered; their history is forgotten, as are many others, in India’s fetid aboriginal swamp. What other minority also lived in Egypt? I don’t think the origin of the Roma is mysterious at all, merely, ahem, rootless. These are another branch of the ones who didn’t become scribes. I also posit the true origin of the Sea Peoples: a Guterian-Semitic remix (black-half black) who learned from us not… Read more »
Thanks for the downvotes.
Sorry. Now name me a few more of the innumerable tribes of India, who claimed ancestry in Egypt, and who happened to settle in Middle Ages Europe.
There are a lot of tribes in India.
Surely there must be dozens who came over, yeah? At least a few?
I must say I appreciated that Wiki article when it told me the evil supergenius Mengele sewed twins together, back-to-back, like Siamese twins.
Totally believable. Gospel.
Not Narrative continuance at all.
Spread the Good News- those White people are inhuman devils!
Somebody is feeling not appreciated for all their invaluable contributions to our low, animal kind. It must be like teaching cattle to read.
OMG! I thought you were joking! Wow…
An interesting article. And, I must say, I’d never heard of the Travellers. Lesson learned. But this: “It is assumed that minority populations wish to assimilate but are prevented from doing so because of whiteness.” I cannot agree. There is very little pressure to compel minorities to assimilate to western norms. Quite the contrary. Western mores are conspicuously reviled and subverted by the Power Structure, while non-western customs are worshiped. Non-westerners are not expected to assimilate to the West; the West and its people are expected to destroy themselves in expiation of past sins–real and imagined–against sainted non-whites. And this… Read more »
A great Travellers movie:
“Snatch”, with Brad Pitt.
Pure London Underground.
Mobsters, prizefights, that’s where we learned about porcine body disposal.
And that scene where Mickey is sitting on a crowded, worn sofa sofa in a dilapidated trailer, speaking Traveller amongst themselves…!
“The locals just took advantage of the opportunity to rid themselves of these people.” Interesting observation and since we are talking of NAZI’s and extermination, one might add the NAZI’s were particularly successful in their efforts precisely because of the local population’s own hatred of these groups and their participation in such efforts. Indeed, it is hard to name a county where this did not occur. One exception does come to mind and bears mention, Denmark. The Danish people rejected the NAZI’s request to turn over their Jews and evacuated them to Sweden. This was a coordinated national effort (Denmark… Read more »
The story is a bit more complicated than that. Werner Best, the German plenipotentiary, got orders from Berlin to clean Denmark of Jews. At the time, Best was running a model occupation with the trains running on time, the agricultural sector producing record crops, Danes were flocking to the SS banners and everything was copacetic. Best understood that doing the German thing with the jackboots and the shouting, would fuck with the program. So he did the Danish thing and tipped off the Danish resistance movement. The Jews were evacuated quickly, quiettly and with minimum drama: Hitler was happy, the… Read more »
Sweden: “Denmark! Denmark! Denmark!”
Yes, that is the story. But I’m not sure it changes much. Other countries, Hungry for example deported their Jews to Germany after their government turned over in late ‘44. Until then, they did not cooperate with the program. Again, they had a choice, but chose to accede rather than wait it out for the end in a few months. I still think Denmark chose a higher path compared to others.
Wait it out?
He!!, it was their last chance!
Look how they were gratefully repaid in 1956.
Invasion by Communists- Eisenhower, oddly, seemed completely uninterested in Domino Theory when it came to Europe.
Doesn’t anybody here realize most of the Warsaw Pacts governments were headed by (unmentionable)?
I still think Denmark chose a higher path compared to others. Yes, an argument could be made for that I suppose, but the notion that the Danish people spontaneously rose up to protect the Jews is rather exaggerated. We had very few Jews even back then, they were well integrated, nobody was on board with sending them to a labor camp, so nobody reported on the Jewish family in the attic or stole their piano while they were in Sweden. For some reason, Jews seem to have decided that Danes are the NAGALT, the good goys, so they play up… Read more »
Still Felix, countries did turn in their Jews, regardless of “integration” and overall numbers. Non-Jews (natives) in any number of countries even aided such round ups, some even directly were involved in extermination. Your country did not. Are you worse off? I can’t say, I don’t live there. Not sure why you want to play this down—unless one is receptive to a “solution” of genocide for the Jewish problem. Didn’t work then, won’t work now. In my opinion, this manner of attempted elimination of undesirables—Jews, Gypsies, mental defectives, whatever, set us back from a healthy acknowledgement of eugenics and HBD… Read more »
Any race can be wiped out so long as the will to do so is there, the native americans come to mind even though they still exist as a micro minority due to White people’s misplaced empathy. A better example is all those african tribes the bantu utterly cleansed out of existence, as much as I dislike them I do admire their animalistic commitment to permanently removing their enemies. I say animalistic because I’ve never observed animals having any qualms about removing anything that threatens or hinders them. I think that’s more ‘moral’ than keeping enemies around who will constantly… Read more »
Great comment. Except that I think that what is in motion in terms of the current power structure, is that the majority is being turned into a minority, a despised minority, so that the final solution will be enacted upon them.
I pray the corrective process of what you speak is taking place in the minds of the target population and that leaders emerge who give them the courage to trust their instincts and do something to reverse the situation.
I have no doubt that the elites would like to final solution Whites, at least the White people who aren’t ideologically aligned anyway but I doubt they have the competence necessary to enact such a plan. I specify ideologically aligned because those elites went above & beyond to remove diversity from Martha’s Vineyard & made a big show of it. People like that will clearly be protected & are also on the same page as the small hats & other groups in their desire to cleanse people like us. I think we’ll end up in a similar situation as Cuba… Read more »
I think we have to show some grit. We are still here. I think the right approach is an Asturian one. We decide this is our homeland and ours forever. We do the needful to instill positive identity into ourselves and our posterity. We teach them what was ours. They regroup and fortify in a confederation of even non-contiguous Asturiases. Then when the time is right, there will be the ultimate re-conquista worth of Pelayo and Aleric’s posterity. We have run enough. Let’s prove we are who we say we are, stick our ground and trust that if we prepare… Read more »
“I think we’ll end up in a similar situation as Cuba where all the most intelligent & competent people will flee the country in droves & scatter around to other countries…”
Smart people go where they can use their smarts to their betterment. The USA is only one country out of many in the West in decline or threatened due to forced racial mixing and creeping socialistic trends. The question will be, where is there a better country to flee to?
Genocide is a feature, not a bug. In fact, it’s *the* feature.
Say what you will about Travelers, but they’ve produced some amazing musicians, especially uilleann pipers.
Exhibit A, Paddy Keenan: https://youtu.be/XHI5lcMOWpU who came from a family of Travelers.
Yeah, and our Blacks produce a great many musicians and singers. However, I’d happily give it all up for some peace…
Many Gypsies, too, have been exceptional musicians, particularly as guitarists. It’s enough to make one wonder about the relationship between musical ability, low intelligence, and general dysfunction.
But then we get to the high-IQ Germans/Austrians who have produced most of the greatest music the world has ever known, and probably ever will.
Perhaps, after all, musical ability denotes nothing more than musical ability.
Yes. And the musical ability and the aesthetic still reflect the overall intelligence. The gypsies and blacks play within extremely simple linguistic elements. Whereas the Germanic/Austrian genius played within multiple dimensions of extremely complex elements. Also, the latter required an extremely complex society and systems in order to foster such towering masterworks in music. The former groups seem content to have little or no society and master the rudiments to play. They would be content to busk in the streets and go about as minstrels, but western man created stages and theaters and pays to put them there and listen… Read more »
Although I must point out that the Chinese/Japanese had a pretty primitive musical array up to the modern era, but when they opened up to the West, they seem to have adopted the more complex features and instrumentation of Western classical music arts. I remember our College of Music at my old university. Seemed like half the performing students were Asian. They were not only majoring in more common instruments, like violin, cello, etc. , but also classical harp—yep, like in the Marx Brothers movies. We had a world ranked faculty member teaching harp. She was also a member of… Read more »
Per FooBarr, yet the fecundity, the evolutionary success of Black American music!
Not African folk singing, no, a specific sub-nation, Black American.
They were dancing to jazz in Moscow and Berlin in 1929, they are dancing there to hip-hop rap today.
The first global popular music style, as another small subset, English is the first global language.
Note also that hip-hop rap is a collaboration of black musicians and jevvish producers- which denotes their affinity (common ancestry) and their power to affect White culture and its reach.
Indeed. Very well stated.
There have been, no doubt, many brilliant (at least musically) black jazz musicians. But it’s interesting that they arose in America and not Africa. Seems due to some factor(s) that were not just random.
To reinforce Compsci re Asian musicians, their Siberian colonies in South America were conquered by the beauty of Catholic Church music; master woodworkers themselves, they were soon producing violas and flutes the equal of any in Europe, that they might play that music.
*edit
Clarinets, rather, than metallic flutes
To address things captured below. Jazz is not an exclusive domain of black musicians. First of all, the instruments and the language are entirely of European origins. There is nothing invented in jazz that wasn’t invented and put to greater perfection in European classical music. Moreover, at least as many if not more musicians of European descent built and advanced jazz. Like everything they do, they seek to become the one and only people who ever did anything, and this attitude is the same in jazz. All jazz tunes are based on cycle of fifths movements. These progressions are so… Read more »
Re FooBar on Jaco. In my mind, no one impacted their instrument as much as Jaco Pastorius did for the bass. Unfortunately, he was mostly unstable if not insane and beaten to death by a bouncer in Florida.
Many Gypsies, too, have been exceptional musicians, particularly as guitarists.
Django Reinhardt springs to mind, but I struggle to recall another name.
Bireli Lagrene, for one. The Gypsy Kings, for another.
I see – thanks.
Paco Delucia is a titan of flamenco guitar and fusion.
to be honest, the gypsies produced *one* guitarist, and he isn’t all that.
“Many Gypsies, too, have been exceptional musicians, particularly as guitarists.”
Yes, Django Reinhardt, Manitas de Plata, Bireli Lagrene, et al. Wonderful musicians. But citing them as examples of gypsy culture is like trotting out George Washington Carver for blacks.
I don’t think so. The Gypsies, for all their very obvious shortcomings, have a long and rich musical tradition. From that tradition spring more than a few musicians of extraordinary talent.
They hang together because it is impossible for their members to assimilate into greater society. This results in their culture having a hostile and parasitic relationship with the host population. The causation is the other way around: Gypsies do not want to assimilate or even integrate, they despise Europeans and our culture and proudly live outside it. They consider stealing virtuous, a traditional craft that proves your resourcefulness and courage. They don’t want our boring education, our crummy caretaker jobs, our retarded laws, our feminism and human rights. Most of them don’t even try to get government gibs, even when… Read more »
Is there a genetic component here? Z-man already discussed low IQ, however is there a genetically linked proclivity to “in-group” tribalistic behavior which trumps any move towards assimilation? Seems these “fringe” groups (like the Jews) all have a common background of in breeding and isolation from the greater group surrounding them. A few centuries of boiling off the few oddball’s who spring up now and then and you have a genetically programmed behavior fitted to the group.
Very possible. But as Z says, they’re rather invisible and to my knowledge haven’t been studied much: no Gypsy festival with Gypsy music and food, no books on their history, no museum exhibitions or documentaries – at least not here in Denmark.
A Swedish guy wrote a book some ten years back; he admired them for their independence, resilience and resourcefulness, but he got himself cancelled because he wrote that stealing from the Gadjo was a proud part of their culture.
They feel they have a God given right to steal as the story goes that it was a gypsy who stole the fourth nail that would have gone through Christ’s heart on the cross…
Compsci nails it.
“A few centuries of boiling off the few oddball’s who spring up now and then and you have a genetically programmed behavior fitted to the group.”
Nature demands organic diversity.
Consanguinity (close marriage) reinforces it.
Oddballs to the oddballs are absorbed by larger outside groups. Conversos like me mum, our maternal line is indistinguishable from any Pan-American tribal member.
Take salamanders from any stream on the planet, move them a few streams over, and soon enough they’ll have different spots.
They probably sound funny to those Pure Heritage salamanders back in the Old Stream, too.
(((Levankovic)))
Every. Single. Time. (-;
They’re not Jewish, they’re Gypsies. Levankovic is a Balkan name – Croat or Serbian or something.
I know. I was simply–and jokingly–alluding to the coincidental similarity of the first two syllables of that name with the common Jewish name, Levin.
Right – I notice the emoji now.
A cheerful back and forth… but all based on a misspelling.
It’s Levakovic. They’re originally from Croatia and I believe the key family members were deported from Denmark a few years ago.
When the gypsies arrived in Europe in the early middle ages, they were warmly embraced. I forgot what ethnicity the Europeans thought they were, someone may know, probably original hebrews or something, but the gypsies played into it. They were given good and alms. Soon enough each village would slowly come to find out what kind of people they were and run them off. They would go to the next town that didn’t know better. Eventually the entire continent knew who they were and what they were about and wanted them gone. May as well be Minneapolis with Somalians. Even… Read more »
I forgot what ethnicity the Europeans thought they were
Ancient Egyptians – hence the name “Gypsies.”
Yes. Makes perfect sense. Thanks.
The verb gip, which of course, means to defraud, stems from the word Gypsy and that people’s tendency to rip people off.
Can you provide some good sources for this? The current version of “Notre Dame du Paris”, is a massive propaganda piece openly calling for the conquest of Europe via Asylum. It portrays the Romani as, “undocumented immigrants.” I saw it recently as France was bombed and burned. The rousing finale is the negro and his band of oppressed outcasts claiming they will someday come by the millions and claim this land. They cry out asylum asylum. That was greeted with a rousing cheer. Then they were beaten down and removed. I was tempted to give that part a standing ovation,… Read more »
> A population of parasitic simpletons is not going to do well amongst the high-IQ Swedes
Nothing a few grenade attacks can’t solve.
The simpletons seem to be doing quite well in countries throughout the West.
Blacks in the South, too. Southrons are Spartans, blacks Helots. Traditionally anyway lol.
Witches in New England, also, now that I think about it. The original spiteful mutants in America.
Apologies for rambling.
Spartans and Helots, the Elect and the Wicked, Christians and Jews.
Pity—>Guilty conscience—>Guilt
—>Inversion, and you’re toast. Gypsies just taking a little longer, for whatever reason, I’d guess.
Gypsies are rapidly increasing both in numbers and as a percentage of the societies they inhabit.
The reason is simply that Gypsies have maintained high fertility in societies that have become severely subfertile, and which have ensured that nearly all those who are born are kept alive into old age.
So, the biological/ demographic reason/s gypsies are thriving at present, is probably different from the explanation of how they survived into the modern era.
The other reason is that their natural victim class, old people who are far too trusting, continues to exist and even grow…In Chicago, robbing the elderly is their main gig, and it continues to happen despite warnings from the cops…
My mother said that I never should Play with the gypsies in the wood. The wood was dark, the grass was green; By came Sally with a tambourine. Gypsies in Europe constitute an interesting phenomenon. They are recognizably a different ethnic group — viz. Indians. They can be contrasted with Jews, many/most of whom managed to assimilate in bourgeois European society as merchants, bankers, musicians, writers, scientists, and the like. The gypsies exist purely as parasites — beggars and cutpurses. Even if assimilation were open to them, they would refuse. They constitute a self-consciously distinct people. You can see them… Read more »
The Gypsies are far more analagous to American negroes than to Jews, although their method of arrival in the West was more like the Jews than the negroes.
Negroes have higher testosterone levels and are simply more violent and confrontational than any other group I know. Dealing with one, you never know how and why he might explode.
Entirely true. But even in this respect, I strongly suspect the Gypsies are closer to negroes than Jews.
Maybe a lower IQ is a genetic advantage for survival.
Maybe what they taught me in ed college is true, ie. there are “multiple intelligences.”
And to be honest, their DNA is no propagated at a higher rate than ours.
We are seeing a regression to the mean.
Only in the West since the 1960s, or possibly since the Industrial Revolution. In all previous times and in all other places, the opposite has been true.
It seems to be counted as “progress” that the gifted are repressed and the imbeciles are transfigured.
Depends. The large brains of whites and East Asians developed because of environmental pressure. But a large brain is a burden to the organism and there can be environments where this brain is not an asset.
On its own being stupid isn’t helpful, but some traits attached to stupidity obviously are. The human populations that are still breeding successfully are only mostly low IQ.
One thing they have in common is that unlike us they haven’t arranged their societies around *dooming the young*. Our dyscivilization favors those who are smart/sociopathic enough to reject it and those who are too dumb or insensitive to “get the message.” (We know who they are.) Meanwhile it tells the average young man to go die, and he does it as well as he can.
Gypsies – Roma – Tsigani, Gitane, Zigeuner, Cikani, etc. Known and loathed everywhere. Interesting to ponder – why and how do a hated people stubbornly remain where they are visually, culturally, and racially distinct from the local population? I vaguely recall reading as a teen about mustache-man killing a number of them, back when I had no idea what they actually were. I read a great deal of English fiction as a child, and these books often included dark-skinned Gypsies depicted in a somewhat romantic yet sinister light. I thought they were a purely fictional creation and was quite surprised… Read more »
In addition to WW II, there are small-scale examples of what happens to such ethnics in hard times. The departure of Europeans saw the deaths of many from violence, famine and disease in Sub-Saharan Africa. Presumably this occurred previously, and helped maintain a stable population in the region for centuries; but there was no one to do anything about it. It seems almost inevitable that the collapse of Western Civilization as we’ve known it would see a huge die-off in that region and elsewhere, probably taking them back to historical averages. One might also see a return of the slave… Read more »
“What happens to the parasites when the host disappears?”
Jackson, Mississippi, United States of America happens.
Jackson is still what it is thanks to the host that surrounds it, from which it sucks sustenance. It can get a lot worse.
In which case it would become Port-au-Prince.
In the past year, I was panhandled at nine o’clock on a weeknight, inside a Wal*Mart grocery, here in provincial Florida. A woman knew enough English to ask “Will you buy me food?” Clearly they were foreigners by their dress and grooming. At the time I though “immigrants from Eastern Europe” but they did fit the steretype of a Gypsy. While we’re not quite as bad as San Francisco or Portland, it’s unnerving how many vagrants/homeless one sees, usually in daylight. This is particularly suprising, as I’m nowhere near a major city, nor even public transit unless you count very… Read more »
Here in my town, the charities that help the homeless have gotten together on their message…”Please don’t feed the bums”! 😉 No kidding, they play radio commercials to this effect. Basically, there is room at the inn for anyone willing to follow the rules. Biggest one is “no drugs”. There is *no one* who begs and has to, to survive. They can simply show up with a willingness to take up a drug free life and act like a human being rather than an animal. This of course is not what they want to do. They want you to give… Read more »
didn’t european gypsies have a reputation for kidnapping small children?
the lesson of how they were treated in WWII is “no half measures” when dealing with troublesome people.
it cracks me up when you see pictures of Roma children smoking cigarettes and acting like adults.
The Irish only have a 92 IQ? Really?
What about all those Irish in banking and media? The IQ is real.
Not familiar wth averages?
Biden is single-handedly pulling the average down.
Brief history here:
https://tinyurl.com/yst299k3
Critique (from last year) here:
https://tinyurl.com/4h5ukzcz
It’s ironic because we are also the new Gypsies (or more accurately Travelers). The regime hates us and frankly most of our own people who are plugged into the regime morality don’t want us around. Yet none of us have given up – the hatred shown towards us from the regime simply increases our group identity and increases our devotion. You asked why the Gypsies didn’t just assimilate. Why don’t you just assimilate? Put a homo flag in your yard and marry a Mexican woman. Latinos are already the plurality in TX, NM and CA. Why are you not joining… Read more »
“So really, all white people are gypsies. We have been systematically dispossessed of our homelands globally. Going further, dissidents are the real gypsies who realize what is going on and try to push back by organizing outside the system.” Yes this is very true and very important. A recent anon on 4chan summarized the white excellence paradox thus: “It’s obvious that non-whites invading white spaces has existed for as long as whites have been on this planet. Ancient Egyptians were definitely white, but through the years the population became slowly mixed. Our entire history has been, and will always be,… Read more »
B125: Clever and apt comparison. But one important distinction – we are not economic parasites so can survive without a host population . .. IF left alone to do so.
We weren’t parasites. Now, when our main export is money, and most of our manufacturing is done elsewhere, I’m less sure about that.
Unfortunately, that’s a really big if. Especially, because of the conniving of leftist whites, our very own Rassenverätern, doing their level best to make our access to the civilizational goods that have been invented, cherished, exploited, and preserved by, you guessed it, white people, increasingly impossible. With able assistance, of course, from fellow whites.
“So really, all white people are gypsies.”
Whites are generally not parasites. Gypsies are purely parasites.
But our gig is making things work, and even improving them….while our lower IQ masters take the credit and the profits…
Replying to both 3g and Pyrrhus. I get what you are saying. And that is true in theory.
However, to the woke elites, white people are actually the parasitic problem. We are getting in the way of the diverse utopian future. Whiteness is problematic. We bring racism, imperialism, misogyny, wherever we go. Any one of us could be the next Moustache man.
Your entire “society” is the problem. They don’t want you to build and impose your structures of whiteness.
I mean one could argue (very easily) that civilization is a parasite upon nature. Consider nature as a pristine forest, with its fauna and flora. Did white people respect nature or did white people try to tame it and in the process, over the span of several centuries, poison nature with pollution via industriazation. I’ve read several comments on this blog post stating white people are not parasites. This is simply incorrect, white people are parasites onto nature. The amount of pollution and extinction caused by white people is truly disgusting to see. There’s also the very uncomfortable truth that… Read more »
For the time being, we are more like Dalits (from dalita, meaning broken or scattered), but even this can be too strong given present conditions in many places. However, once exclusion from politics and professions nears completion, as dispossession from land is being carried to its logical extreme, an increasing proportion of us will live like vagabonds and as a minority wherever we go. Maybe THEN we will be Gypsies. I can’t help but to wonder if this reduction will provide the necessary motive to abandon bad attitudes. We have reason to doubt. Just listen to and count all the… Read more »
Wait. I’ve got it!
We’ll appoint Gypsies to overrepresentation in European governments, universities, judiciary, oligarchies….
“ Latinos are already the plurality in TX, NM and CA. Why are you not joining the winning team?”
More common than you think/hope here in AZ. Lot’s of White guys picking up with Latinas. My usual take is that these Latinas are less Indio than average and look more White, but with darker olive skin.
Compsci: Visually they may look less Indo. Culturally they are still quite distinct. Old farts thinking with their small heads and young guys aware that most White women are insane think they are getting a White adjacent bargain. But people don’t often think through that you end up marrying someone else’s whole family. That means cultural practices and beliefs and a lot more. That’s how you end up with South America. If that’s how people want to live, fine for them. That’s not how I want to live (and fwiw, my husband’s godmother was ‘Latina’ and was a lovely woman… Read more »
No argument from me. I toned down my observation. I can, as you note, see why a White guy picks up with a Latina rather than a “liberated” white woman. And yes, you married their family.
My father had a saying passed down to him: “When your daughter marries, you might gain a son. When your son marries, you will lose a son.” So far I’ve not seen much to disagree with that saying—but of course he was never thinking of miscegenation as that was unthinkable in those days.
Compsci: My son is my son till he gets him a wife, but my daughter’s my daughter all the days of her life .
Old English proverb
There are two great distinctions. First, whites are not leeches and parasites. Secondly, and this is the big one, gypsies, Travelers, tinkers (the latter two in fact white), whatever, have never constituted majorities among host populations. While the states you cite indeed have non-white pluralities, large swathes, regions and even quite a few cities continue to have white majorities. Whites, though, are prey for another minority group of outsiders, really several groups including Puritan whites. Your point about separation is a very good one, though, as is the suggestion to learn from outsider groups. We do need to keep in… Read more »
“First, whites are not leeches and parasites.” Incorrect. I mean one could argue (very easily) that civilization is a parasite upon nature. Consider nature as a pristine forest, with its fauna and flora. Did white people respect nature or did white people try to tame it and in the process, over the span of several centuries, poison nature with pollution via industriazation. I’ve read several comments on this blog post stating white people are not parasites. This is simply incorrect, white people are parasites onto nature. The amount of pollution and extinction caused by white people is truly disgusting to… Read more »
Parasite is simply the wrong word to use. To separate man from nature is also a logical fallacy as well. Man is a product of nature. No nature, no man—or any life for that matter. The world, regardless of one’s creation belief existed before man. Whatever man is, does, or has done, nature is the cause. The world and “nature” will exist long after the last man is extinct. Indeed, nature’s source of life, the sun, will in a billion years or so extinguish the world (nature) *itself*. No help from man needed. All forms of life use the world… Read more »
Great post!
Why don’t you just assimilate? Put a homo flag in your yard and marry a Mexican woman. Latinos are already the plurality in TX, NM and CA. Why are you not joining the winning team?
Bang on the money.
Of course, if you turn this around, you get the dog that didn’t bark. What about societies that don’t have their version of gypsies or Travelers. Does Japan have such a group? What about China or Korea? If not, why not? Harsh measures taken once can solve many problems for generations to come. I remember Charles Murray talking about how nice Midwestern people are and how peaceful their towns were. He’s right, but he seemed to have forgotten how those towns came about. Some very hard men did some very hard things to clear that land if its previous residents… Read more »
China did not have travelers or gypsies because you can’t just park a caravan/RV in an unused space there. In Communist China, as huge as it is, there is no free space. The jingcha will roll up and, if you’re lucky, ask you politely to move.
In Western countries there is a tolerance for sub-groups living in an extra-legal way in unused spaces. That’s part of the reason why immigrants are so welcome.
China does have its Uyghurs. And in such, they are taking a hand in their forced “assimilation”. Of course, the world of “poz’d” societies sees this and calls it genocide. Fine, but China is not so stupid as to not learn from observation of other “mixed” societies. They have noticed that diversity is *not* their strength.
Back when I read the blog of an American black guy who taught English in Japan he would relate getting stuck teaching classes to an “undertow” segment of Japanese society that no one knows exists (and no one else wanted to teach, thus saddling the gaijin with it). They had a name, but I don’t recall it. He said they were like Japanese and not at the same time (darker skin being one of the notable characteristics).
Yes, that underclass’ name starts with a “b”. (Can’t quite remember it. Buraki? Something like that.) It was created arbitrarily when some shogun declared that families involved in certain traditional trades- leatherhandling and slaughterhouses, corpse handling and gravedigging, tallow candlemakers, benjo latrine trench and ditch-diggers, and the like- were to be considered a separate caste of low trades, low status. These people, ethnically identical to every other Japanese, quickly became infamous for violent tempers, drunkenness, crime, fighting, broken and dysfunctional families. I think that soon after they seemed to of a darker hue, but I’m not sure of that. Either… Read more »
Close. “Burakumin” is the spelling, I think. If you go to a large Japanese city, you can see them playing pachinko from dusk to dawn, like addicted poor people in the Anglosphere playing video poker at one time. Police once routinely harassed them at the game parlors, and still do from time to time. I saw this several times in the Eighties and it was a stark reminder that Japan is distinctly non-Western. The burakumin are a large part of the yakuza, although it is largely because of their outsider status than due to any genetic inclination toward criminality. They… Read more »
Yes! “Buraku” was my first guess.
I wonder if he meant Ainu? They were Altaic or Mongolic peoples who lived in northern Japan. I don’t know about their skin color. Their physical features are more central Asian or even European than Japanese.
Want to make an East Asian (“fancy Asian”) recoil? Suggest they have dark skin. No one loves white skin more than the East Asian.
Marko: My husband’s close friend is 1/4 Ainu. While his mother looked distinctly Asian (I’ve only seen photos of her), this guy is 6’2″, blue eyes, cleft chin, etc. You’d never know if not told.
Ainu are Eurasian and quite often have European traits as is sometimes the case in the Central Asian Republics. I’ve seen some that could pass for Russians in St. Petersburg.
3G: My grandfather was born in Morocco in 1919. I wish I had been told this earlier, as I could’ve claimed 1/4 African-American ancestry and claimed some gibs, and gotten hired at jobs I wasn’t qualified for.
I’m white as snow. Though that’s because Morocco was a French possession in 1919 and my grandfather was born of French parents. But I don’t let silly details like that get in the way of running for head of my local NAACP office.
Reminds me of an online discussion where someone postulated that the “Jews” are just a result of the way societies work. In other words, even if all the Jews of today were boiled off through assimilation with other groups, Jew 2.0 would enviably come into being after a period of time. As a proof to that assertion, the Jews of today aren’t even the Jews of antiquity with even those Roman Empire-era Jews having only the faintest relationship (if at all) to those written about in the Old Testament. The only solution then (as with other groups Z points out)… Read more »
The Christian/Jew thing: Jews are rebels from the Christian perspective. I wonder if there’s a part of the Jewish perspective that says, OK, we’ll be your bogeyman. You want to say we’re wicked? You want to say you’re the new Israel and replace us? Fine, we’ll corrupt and replace you! Which reinforces the Christian position, which in turn reinforces the (personally hypothetical but suspected) Jewish position. It could be human nature. Easier to know you’re the good guy when you have a bad guy to point to, easier to be the bad guy with a good guy looking down on… Read more »
The Jewish problem probably persists when society needs a group of people to do something that’s regarded as immoral. In the case of Europeans, Western Civilization thrived by moral objections to usury and weaselly interpretations of the law. This kept the peasants honest and dutifully carrying the sacks of gold from the mine back to the town hall. But for the jobs that require goblins like finance, the selection pressure is there to have a caste of goblin people who are officially exempt from the larger society’s moral standards. Our civilization’s problem is that our goblin caste metastasized, took over… Read more »
Our civilization’s problem is civilization itself. As Spengler has pointed out in his work The Decline of the West, every civilization has collapsed. Western Civilization will be no different. Civilization is like communism, tried a bunch of times, has never worked, but advocates keep saying: “but this time it’s different”. The solution is very simple – let civilization collapse and nature return. Nature has no need for finance nor politics nor media, and thus no need for goblins eithers. The record stands. Nature bats last and nature has never lost. The pro-civilizational types unfortunately seem to be too stupid to… Read more »
Gypsies are thieves because they believe that they have a divine licence to steal.
How convenient!
A god of thieves. How quaint!
Perhaps the Roma should be considered a Guild of Thieves.
It has to do with the crucifixion of Jesus. A Roma supposedly stole one of the nails used, so, they were given a divine licence to steal as a reward.
Considering the Abrahamic God impregnated a teenage Mary, Christians have a god of pedophiles. Would explain the predilection Christian pastors and priests have towards pedophilia.
Perhaps the Abrahamic religions should be consider Guilds of Pedophiles.
White Christians are thieves because they believe they have a divine licence to nature.
How convenient!
This happens at a smaller scale in rural areas. Appalachia is an example, but I also see it in a lot of midwestern villages. In a functional village, both the very bright and very dumb are boiled off, creating a town of average IQ people who easily conform to local social norms. The very bright go to the city (and usually become victims of the IQ shredder), and the very dull migrate to some shack or trailer park in the middle of nowhere.
Whereas the “boiling off” of Amish who don’t relish the Amish lifestyle has reinforced the Amish population, without reducing their average IQ, because subnormal Amish probably don’t have many kids…The Amish, like gypsies, have a high fertility rate…But unlike gypsies, they don’t cause problems for their neighbors…
I’ve always thought of the Amish as the ideal “preppers”. 😉
Amish are not monolithic. They range from the Schwartzentrubers who live in ill-maintained 1830s style shacks, to the Beachy Amish who live in beautiful modern houses and drive pickup trucks for work (and are often very wealthy), plus Old Order, New Order, and other sects I don’t recall offhand. “Plain” can mean anything from not even using buttons, to only using your cell phone for work. The only real connecting thread is a Bible-based “separation from the world” — those fancy Beachy Amish homes may have electricity, but it’s off-grid. I’ve noticed that there is a clear IQ gradient, from… Read more »
“Of course, the question at the root of it all is what does the majority do about a minority population that cannot and will not fit into society?” Hopefully the Europeans will not take the American route, but so far at least, many of them are. The American “solution” is the worst one. We elevate these populations and make them mostly immune to many of the rules that make civilization possible. We have now settled on a system that makes even local shopping damn near impossible. A particular group of people are now allowed to steal. Stores across the US… Read more »
Good post, in regards to the French however, I read an article today that stated recent polls indicate the French public is taking a dissident view of their “New citizens” antisocial behavior. Perhaps the inventors of the guillotine may lead the West in the reconquest of our ancestral lands. One can hope, as it doesn’t appear we Yanks will.
I can answer that one for you. Not only no, but hell no.
Correction: Stores in Blue Cities in the U.S. are closing because a certain elevated class is allowed to steal.
You would not want to try that behavior here in Flyover Country. Seriously, don’t try it. We’d rather not have to dole out rude surprises.
Of course, we don’t much suffer from vibrant diversity, either.
As those blue city stores close, the ring will get physically larger (they will go to stores in a larger and larger radius). Your stores may have tough real-Americans in them, but they are still owned and run by corporate manager types with all the same policies.
The more important question is “does civilization deserve to survive?”
The answer is a resolute no.
How have gypsies historically been categorized for the U.S. census?
I always assumed it was as whites but the toleration of non-assimilation is probably because they’re viewed an ethnic minority like the blacks.
It’s always weird to me who ends up being tossed in the “white” category, especially if they’re looked down on. You might mistake a Spaniard for an Italian, but the former is probably marked down as a POC but the latter is always put as white.
this question regarding “what will we do about this race or what about that race” will be resolved once liberal society implodes and radicalization ensues.
These problems will not be resolved democratically or in a friendly manner. At the end of the future conflict losers will become 2nd class citizens: they(or us) might end up being genocided, maybe we deport them, or maybe whites become enslaved to muslims, who knows. All we know is racial violence is inevitable, blood is blood.
There is a pervasive conceit in modern society that every problem can be solved if we just spend enough money or apply enough coercion. And, like the war on drugs, its persistent failure has had no effect on the busybodies who endlessly pursue yet another attempt at solution. Why is it that no one views these busybodies as being a problem worthy of solving? Said differently, our political class is clearly dysfunctional to the point of boundless corruption and degeneracy, yet no one wants to tackle this problem with the same fervor as befell the gypsies during WWII. Why do… Read more »
That’s a great comment, Tom. Maybe, just maybe, people will eventually wake up to to our “Gypsy” problem. If they do, I (as an old guy) want to still be around to witness the consequences.
Tom, the problem is our national religion/delusion—belief in “equality” and its bastard step child, “equity”.
If we are all “equal”, then if any can behave in some acceptable fashion, then all can be made to behave in such fashion—given enough time and effort.
First we must change our national delusion.
Yes. Except now, after every single problem they sought to tackle with the bureaucracy and our money has been made worse, they have identified the true problem. The problem all along was that despite enacting their agenda, the majority of the white population is against it. It is us being against it that caused it to fail. If only we had been for it, it would have succeeded. That is whiteness. So now, they have their final solution. Get rid of the straight white man and they will finally be able to get their project to succeed. For the whites… Read more »
My genes simply do not allow me to absorb despair or acquiesce to a presumed inevitable defeat. Yes, the Jackboots are a formidable obstacle (traitors all), but they are not invincible. The best and brightest of the GAE are getting their ass handed to them in Ukraine by traditional slavic white guys of the Russian Army. They are fighting smarter, whereas the duped Ukrainian white guy cannon fodder is trying to succeed solely with harder. We should learn from this. Intelligence is our superpower, and it will be our salvation. That is how evolution works.
“Why is it that no one views these busybodies as being a problem worthy of solving?” Because civilization selects for these busybodies. The only system that filters these people out effectively is Nature. In Nature, you only survive if your existence is necessary. The answer to all the problems afflicting civilization is one that almost nobody here wants to admit: let civilization collapse, let nature take it course and weed out the weak, incompetent, stupid, and useless. Civilization is like communism. Tried many times, never worked. Only system that works is Nature. But of course Nature is brutally savage and… Read more »
Mass sterilization?
I’ve long thought that all food aid to Africa should contain a sterilizing agent.
There was serious talk in the United States during the 1970’s of sterilizing women who had two illegitimate kids in order for them to get welfare.
Just stop the food aid and call it a day. Overpopulation in Africa will sort itself out if allowed to.
I looked up population statistics for Africa in 1900.
The total population for south of the Sahara (obviously nothing there will ever be more than guesswork) was that the native African population, before we started feeding and saving them from themselves, was estimated at between 2 and 10 million.
Good. Once civilization (the evil that it is) collapses, the Sub Saharan population will return to its norm. Of course billions of people will have to die out.
If Gypsy IQs are in the 70s, then they have little choice but to become parasitic in order to survive in a competitive environment. If you walled them off in their own land, they would most likely die off or dwindle to a tiny population barely able to survive.
We call them ghettos. Or in some cases barrios.
“If you walled them off in their own land, they would most likely die off or dwindle to a tiny population barely able to survive.” I cannot speak for AINO. But in the UK these people have their networks. They’ll pick your pocket, sell you some trinkets and do whatever else they need to do to survive. They have already been socially walled off and I’d imagine their ghettos are effectively walled off in many ways, but… they’re still here! They may have the dreaded low IQ curse, they may not be able to apply Hamilton’s method to mechanical systems;… Read more »
In a state of nature, low animal cunning combined with an absence of moral restraint could actually be more beneficial than a high IQ. However, as groups formed to gain strength in numbers, that phenomenon would be reversed, and we’d be back on the road toward civilization. And peoples like the Gypsies would find themselves marginalized.
Interestingly choice for a topic, Z Man. I find Myself thinking a lot about the gypos of the UK of late. Now, when I say gypos, or pikeys or travellers I am of course referring to Irish Travellers. The other sorts of gypos we’d call Roma or whatever. Generally, here in the UK, gypsy = Irish Traveller and Roma = brown type of gypsy. The Irish Travellers may not have the blessing of high IQ that dominates Dissident circles, but they can: obtain a piece of land in a crafty way, import static homes to said land, lay appropriate foundations,… Read more »
” the mentality of Irish Travellers is something that the DR would do well to adopt. Especially regarding our Evil government.”
Sharp take. The rise of parallel societies likely will accompany the ongoing fragmentation and dissolution of polities, and these groups provide something of a template.
Thing is, Jack, these travellers seem to have no illusions about the government helping them (although, it actually does try to bring them under it’s “diversity” umbrella in a handful of ways) either now nor in the past. This creates, I think, in their minds the idea that they have no say in anything. They do not lobby the government for handouts. They do not lobby the government because “oppression”. They do not seek to have their culture imposed on others. They simply find ways around State placed obstacles. They quietly operate in their own communities. Many in the DR… Read more »
OrangeFrog: This. Vitally important to understand who your enemies are and accept that you are despised. Quite different from John and Jane Normal and the conservatards who just think their woke oppressors are a passing phenomenon or good-hearted people who need to hear some facts and numbers. A large plurality of those people will not survive any sort of true hardship or social conflict. I know many commenters here will think me totally lacking in compassion and human decency in that I just do not care when I read of this or that non-White killed in this or that fire… Read more »
“Death is not a tragedy; it is an inherent part of being human.” Indeed. But more importantly, if you’ve repented and tried your hardest to follows Christ’s will, then Death is the gateway to Paradise. Oddly enough, every death I hear about, both near and far makes me think that I must be prepared spiritually when my time comes. This is not easy, as I’ve a lot of Sin to repent for, as have most of us. But imagine: to be on one’s deathbed, pondering what happens next, with no assurance. No spiritual work done. Nothing. It sends shudders down… Read more »
“I know many commenters here will think me totally lacking in compassion and human decency”
Then they would be wrong. Focused compassion is still compassion. As you’ve noted, compassion outside your family, close friends, and race is not compassion. It is suicide.
I wouldn’t worry too much about perceptions of compassion. Most of the “compassion” you see today is phony and performative, that’s how you get these young women with low self-awareness taking selfies with starving African children or their dead grandmother. Sort of like a little kid emulating an adult cooking by making “food” out of mud and sticks.
All true, OF. Whites tend to project onto others their pathological altruism, and that is a fatal trait only we possess.
We walk in other’s shoes. Others do not.
(And “moccasins”, my ass)
The West is doing something unprecedented. It is embracing hostile populations and celebrating its conquest. What has happened in London and England in general is almost sickening. At least in France the police issued a statement that showed the proper will to fight. Soros’ Open Society is a psychopathic project. The West is headed for a situation where the new dominant groups may just deal with the former dominant groups in the way the gypsies ought to have been dealt with. That this could be Soros’ real aim is a conclusion that is not hard to draw. Here was a… Read more »
France is riven by riots,just like the US, but the police issued a disapproving statement !
Sensitive urban zones, operation Sentinelle, biggest demographic change in western Europe but…a disapproving statement.FFS.
“The West is doing something unprecedented.”
Incorrect, every civilization has done the same. See Spengler’s The Decline of the West.
Please read a book or two before spouting nonsense.
The travelers went around offering to paint metal barn roofs in my rural upbringing in the Midwest.
The local sheriff was aware of them and other few vagrants that were around so that when a theft or other crime occurred usually the culprit was found quickly.
I remember vegetable stands along roads with a box to put your money into and no one at the stands some days.
It was a different world.
In my old hometown during the early 1900’s they had a single jail cell for vagrants and tramps. If they were loafing about, the local sheriff would throw them in there for the night, give them a meal ticket for breakfast in the morning, and tell them to keep moving.
Although I live on the periphery of downtown Chicago most weeks, I visit my former backyard near Cross Tship/Petoskey MI frequently. Up there in Ernie Hemingway country, God’s Country as my late dad used to refer to the region, we still leave our doors unlocked and the keys inserted in our planes, boats, cars and snowmobiles 24/7. Almost nobody attends their fruit stands, the honor system still applies and you take what you want and pay whatcha can. I met the rare black who happened to be waitering at Legs Inn. He was excellent at his role and I tipped… Read more »
As recently as the 80s the cops in my area used to drive around and warn people when Gypsies (paving scams) or Travellers (masonry/roofing scams) were around. They particularly targeted the elderly. The cops would never do that now, for sure.
The same rational could be applied in future to the “unvaxxed engineers”, who can day trade their skills but cannot live amongst the cloud folks. They may be the new Amish.
“The open society that is being forced upon the West requires assimilation.”
Isn’t George Soros program called “The Open Society Project “?
Cossacks are kinda the same thing. Escaped serfs who ran to the steppe and adopted a Mongolian lifestyle.
Had a lovely Romanian girlfriend in college. She didn’t always agree with my race realism, and one time she called me a racist. Without missing a beat, I said, “You are, too. You hate gypsies!” She, too, did not miss a beat, and shot back, “But they are horrible people!”
I have had similar experiences. The antiracist Euro turns into Hitler as soon as you mention Gypsies.
Do we have the figures on gypsies murdering people? They probably aren’t black levels (that would be impressive), but do they kill more than the average?
Had the exact same experience with Czech girls. At the time I just assumed it was them not having yet gotten the hang of Western wokeness.
Not apples to apples, but the last bit reminds me of a book called “Dignity” https://www.amazon.com/Dignity-Seeking-Respect-Back-America/dp/0525534733/ There are folks that live in failed places like Gary Indiana and they don’t move somewhere better/safer/etc because they cant. They simply don’t want to, it’s their homes, it’s where they grew up in the before times. The city of Detroit has a problem that is similar. There are blocks of abandoned houses but every once in a while there’s a person living in a house. The city has to ensure electricity/water/sewage/fire/police for one house on one block surrounded by vacant blocks. Can’t force… Read more »
They can force them to move. Ever heard of eminent domain?
I have a real example of this. I had a buddy in college who moved to Atlanta and started a family, and his son was the only grandkid for him mom, who still lived in Gary. As I was conversing with him about 10 years ago, I asked why his mom was still in Gary and not in Atlanta to be around her 3 adult children and only grandchild, and he said she didn’t want to leave her church and friends there.
Currently reading Trace Elements (2020), a Donna Leon novel. Juvenile female Gypsy pickpockets are woven into the story.