In the Western world, concepts like justice and virtue are thought about as objective things, as if they have been handed to us by God. You cannot have personal justice as it is a thing that exists independent of you. You can have personal virtue, but that just means you voluntarily abide by a set of objective rules. The modifier in that phrase is for emphasis rather than to shift the meaning of the word. To be a virtuous person is to live by a set of rules that apply to all individuals individually.
This is most obvious in the way we use the word justice. It is often treated like a god that must be made happy or bad things will happen. The internet is full of videos where an idiot is breaking the law in a flagrant and gratuitous way only to come to a bad end by his own hand. The popularity of these videos is due to the notion that this proves justice will always be served. Justice is like a ledger and in the end, both sides of the ledger must sum to zero or else.
Justice is the great balance between right and wrong. There are things that are right and things that are wrong. If you do something wrong, like break the law, then the needs of justice say you must be punished. It is not the cops or the prosecutor or the judge punishing you because they are upset by your actions. They are punishing you because justice demands it. They may even have sympathy for you, but justice is justice and criminals have to be punished.
Something similar exists with virtue. The virtuous person abides by the rules of society and maybe the tenets of his religion. Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people. The virtuous person adheres to the rules and defends the institutions without regard to personal consideration. It is why every politician claims to be a public servant.
Of course, the word “public” is entirely impersonal. The reason you never hear a politician say he serves his people is there is no sense of a people. There is the public, this abstract collection of individual economic units, who have nothing more than a transactional relationship with one another. In this way, the public servant is not serving real flesh and blood people, but an implementation of them. The public is the interface for whatever lies behind it.
This was not always the case in the West. Justice, for example, was a personal matter for pre-Christian people. If a guy in the next village killed one of your people, justice required you to kill him or one of his people. On the other hand, your people might decide that it is not in their interest to exact revenge this way. Instead, they decide to kill the cattle of the other village. Justice was both a personal and collective concept that was only loosely tied to universal concepts.
In Germanic societies, they had trial by combat. In a dispute between two people, justice would be determined by the two parties fighting it out. The idea was not that the gods would pick the winner in the name of justice, but that justice was a personal thing to be imposed on others. It was not the duty of the ruler to sort this out for the two parties in a dispute. His job and that of society was to set the conditions for the two sides to figure this out for themselves.
When it comes to virtue, the reverse was the case. The measure of you as a person was not against an objective set of rules for individuals, but wholly in the context of you as the member of a people. You see this in Homer where the heroes perform great deeds on behalf of their people. The Norse legends have similar tales. Virtue was all about your service to your people. It was simply impossible to be a virtuous man without contributing to the defense and prosperity of your people.
This is why exile loomed so large. Death was a terrible end because you were forever exiled from your people, so you could no longer serve them. Exile was the next worst for the same reason. It also brought the torment of living with the fact that you are denied the opportunity to serve your people. Virtue was defined by you fulfilling your potential in service to your people, so it was simply impossible to be virtuous outside the context of you as a member of a people.
There are still some flickers of this sense of virtue in the modern age. Men who volunteer for the army are thanked for their service. Military honors are often tied to selfless commitment to fellow soldiers under duress. We have parades for cops who get killed chasing criminals. Again, politicians call themselves public servants so they can pretend to be virtuous. All of this, however, is limited to a narrow space of life and measured against a universal standard of justice.
This contrast in the old views on virtue and justice with the modern views is obvious when you look at the current war between the Jews and Arabs. Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it. The Jews are the enemy of their people and justice demands they strike at their enemies. The men who no doubt volunteered for the mission will be celebrated, because they accomplished a great feat in the war against the enemy of their people.
For their part, the Jews are following the same path. Twitter was full of Jewish commentators demanding vengeance. They were not demanding justice in the way in which modern Western people think of it. Look at how Washington reacted after the 9/11 attacks. The promise was to go after the people responsible. George Bush did not promise to carpet bomb Kabul. Jews around the world and the Jewish government are promising to exact vengeance on the people of Gaza.
The contrasting views on virtue are also obvious on the Jewish side. Diaspora Jews conflate their sense of virtue, which is service to their people, with the Western sense of virtue and demand you give over everything to their fight with one of their ancient enemies in the Levant. A similar mindset drives the neocon demand that the West risk nuclear war in the Ukraine. Note that they speak of Russians as the enemy, not the Russian state or the current form of government.
That last bit is vital to grasping the differences. The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation. We see the same thing happening with Gaza, as the IDF bombs residential areas. In both cases, the point is to harm the people, holding them responsible, not specifically their leaders. In both cases, it is assumed the leaders are acting in service to their people.
It is tempting to think that modern Western views on virtue and justice are superior to these older forms, but there is much to favor in what we see in the Levant. If the Palestinians adhered to Western views, they would no longer exist as a people, at least not in the Levant. Most would have fled to new lands and lost their identity. The Jewish people would have gone away a long time ago. Their old school views of virtue and justice have allowed them to exist in the most hostile places.
The test of these two outlooks is happening within the West. As non-European people flood into the West, bringing their Bronze Age mindset on virtue and justice, they are challenging Europeans and their universalist and individualist mindset. Will the former naturally give way to the latter or will the latter have to be imposed by force on the former and is this even possible within the framework of the latter? Will Europeans just have to return to their old ways to preserve themselves?
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What you see in Palestine is old school patriarchal virtue. The West is matriarchal now and women don’t want to accomplish virtuous deeds to be considered virtuous. Thus, the virus signaling about the current thing on social media. In Israel and Palestine leaders have to do more than tweet that they are mad.
This is why the cabal of female leftist legislators never need to even vote against the War Machine or the other neocon aspects of the Biden administration. All they need to do is tweet and post to be revolutionaries
Great post. Don’t comment much here, or elsewhere, anymore. But still enjoy a good post like today’s. The answer to the last question in the OP is emphatically yes! We need to become tribal and forget abstract “objective” values that are repeatedly weaponized against us. Or we won’t survive.
Hope all the regulars here are doing well.
Noteworthy here is how a high IQ population can still be utterly incompatible with Western civilization. All of these Jews chirping on twitter have advanced degrees and supposedly have been fully exposed to Western ethical concepts, yet one little bop on the nose and they’re acting, in unison, just as bloodthirsty as the people they’re accusing of being animals and savages. Comparatively here after 9/11 the “let’s nuke them ay-rabs” opinion among the gentile population was generally limited to the truck nutz aficionado crowd. For Europeans low empathy correlates strongly with low IQ, but that doesn’t seem to be the… Read more »
Google the midwit meme
More and more, the most likely probability is Jews let Happen On Purpose, and perhaps even helped it along. Going back over the years, many will have heard the stories of IDF snipers shooting through the fence to takeout Pali Children who got too close to the fence. And now by surprise a horde rips a hole in the fence. Nah.
Netanyahu can’t really even hide his glee. He and they can book a win of many fronts.
The Iron Dome just happened to be turned off. They expect me to believe that?
But we’re at the point where even if the prime minister had sent the entire military on vacation a couple days prior, you’d be labeled a ‘conspiracy theorist’ if you questioned why
Congressman Michael McCaul chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
McCaul asserts:
“We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.
“I don’t want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given,” the Texas Republican added. “I think the question was at what level.”
Three days would seem to provide the special people sufficient time to turn off the Iron Dome.
Probably the Iron Dome was never that good anyway. It had problems against even the 1st gen stuff Hezbollah was throwing at it and it being overwhelmed was to be expected. But if turned off, then yeah someone let it happen. Cui bono, the hardliners have the most to benefit. They get rid of Gaza and then start on the West Bank and Lebanon. Empires don’t build themselves after all.
The 101st Airborne Division is being moved from Eastern Europe to Jordan. So I guess Putin’s plan to overrun Poland and the Baltics and wind up drinking Vodka in Paris, as CNN has warned us, were put on hold?
Or maybe the HOA reps showed up and told everyone they had to take down their Ukraine decorations as it is now Israel season?
The 101st… somehow that rings a bell. That would be the same unit that was deployed to desegregate Little Rock High School in 1957 with bayonets fixed… right?
“Fix bayonets!”
Since when was that order heard last, oh I don’t know, the 1860s?
there is a picture online from the ’50s, not the 1850s . .. it can be googled
Ah. The 101st Airborne. That’ll strike fear into the hearts of Hamas. Rainbow parachutes, leather butt chaps, nipple clamps, and dildos instead of sidearms. “YMCA” blasting from the transport planes.
And don’t forget the Red High Heels!
There really is no such thing as a “tribal” person. There is no such thing as “tribal” justice. The term ‘justice’ does not take a modifier. One can, of course, invent meaningless combinations of words and speak about them, but that does not mean that they refer to anything in the real world. On the subject of “tribal” peoples, the Dissident online community says a lot of nonsense that doesn’t bear up under scrutiny (not even their own scrutiny), but they go on repeating it because it derives from their underlying worldview that they wish not to examine or change.… Read more »
A white OJ doing what he did with a white jury would have been convicted and removed him from society, forever. Tribal blacks chose to ignore the overwhelming evidence in the case because he was being prosecuted by whitey for killing someone out of their tribe. Marcia Clark was an idiot and she seriously thought that the sisterhood trumped race and that black women were going to be sympathetic to and relate to Nicole as a female instead siding with their race. There are numerous lesser known examples of tribal justice. Ethan Limming recently is a good example. The more… Read more »
“However, the fundamental assumption here is wrong. Are blacks really “tribal”? Do they really side with their own race as a matter of default? Well, no, obviously not. How many blacks are killed by other blacks in the ghetto?” How many white riots have there been in the aftermath of a black cop shooting a white person fleeing the scene? Not enough, is the glib answer, zero is the correct one. I quit reading at that point and no longer will bother with wasting eyesight even that long. You are a very intelligent guy and also a very disingenuous and… Read more »
“You are a very intelligent guy and also a very disingenuous and intellectually dishonest one.”
In other words, a troll. He should go the way of the late and unlamented Luber.
Missionary, not troll. The other was a troll. Z uses a very light ban hammer and I hope that continues to be the case.
If ID had intelligent insights and critiques they would edify and be welcome. At this point all ID posts will be ignored as the probability of a long winded troll by the self anointed punster is too high.
“Everyone likes the smell of his own farts.” George Sand
I have to take umbrage with being called disingenuous and dishonest. That is not true. If I said anything not factually accurate, I’m sure you could point it out. My brief here is that fact that the Dissident worldview, as articulated on its better-known blogs, is not reality. It is actually a genuine example of clinical hysteria, i.e. a womanish overreaction to unimportant details that have been imbued with an excess of symbolic weight. The reason is because the whole thing was developed by narrow-minded materialist dweebs who were infatuated with HBD and everything about Dissidentism has been saturated with… Read more »
The explanation for white altruism was that during the last few centuries white criminals were drawn and quartered for stealing bread, thus producing selection pressure against antisocial behavior. Claiming whites are just like jungle bunnies because the Vikings were all about thug life is ridiculous.
“In its attempt to sacralize racial differences, the Dissident Right has destroyed intellectual integrity.”
ID, do you believe that every IQ test that has ever been developed, even those that use images instead of words, demonstrate that blacks have an IQ that is one SD below whites?
LineInTheSand re: IQ ID, do you believe that every IQ test that has ever been developed, even those that use images instead of words, demonstrate that blacks have an IQ that is one SD below whites? I’ll stipulate to that. I didn’t say that race doesn’t exist, I said that race doesn’t suffice as a national ideal. This is why an explicitly white ethno-state is impossible. However, a predominantly white nation protected by jus sanguinis is entirely possible, but it needs to be founded on something other than mere whiteness. White Nationalists talk as if they could just set up… Read more »
Get out of your Ivory Tower a bit more often Professor.
You are not loquacious, not in a good way. Overly wordy, pedantic, and just come off as someone that has never set foot off a college campus and in the real world.
Either a neckbeard professor who sequesters on campus or a ‘professional student’. Either way, its a bad look and you just sound smarmy, out of touch, and sheltered. I was going to use the C word but I’ve used it on you once before. I’m feeling magnanimous today so I’ll give you a pass.
When I’m reading his writing the voice I’m hearing in my head is an affected one, like children’s cartoon villain plus a nasal drawn out “Nyeh heheeh” element. I can’t explain it any better, just look up any fat guy on youtube talking about dungeons and dragons.
In the past few years in Canada we have had:
– Iranian “Women, Life, Freedom” protests
– Ukraine protests (no Russian protests allowed)
– Sikh / Khalistan protests
– Dueling Israeli / Palestinian protests
Time to send all these super patriots back to their homelands so they can carry on the good fight where it matters. Of course that will never happen.
Our people simply need to rediscover group identity. Treat your own people with those beautiful white values. Treat the rest with indifference because they are not us and will take advantage of our nice values.
The only people who got arrested by your government were the white truckers, though.
In the West the only people who can protest without fear of government reprisals are Leftists. Simple as that.
Every “protest” is the government chanting encouragement to itself.
If your demonstration isn’t a *punished* crime, you’re a fed—of the soul if not the badge.
“Both sides” of Israel/Palestine can march in the West because our governments support them both.
Even a worm will turn eventually. The frustration of the people inside the “world’s largest concentration camp” eventually broke out and they spent their military capital (what little they had of it) in an act of savage violence against their oppressors. What else could they do? Now the Jews are all outraged against the inevitable consequence of their own barbarity and indifference. You reap what you sow. But the Jews won’t stop. I suspect we’re in for Hollywood to jump into the fray on cue with some “high-production values” atrocity porn if they haven’t already (beheaded babies?)
Tom K: “Now the Jews are all outraged against the inevitable consequence of their own barbarity and indifference.” Thinking back on what I used to see of j00ish p0rnography, many many moons ago, rather than barbarity & indifference, I think I would be analyzing it more at outright sadism [plus psychopathy, of course]. We misunderestimate j00ish sadism at our peril. They say you get the very best adrenochrome from torturing to death the little virgin shegetz, before you drain him. And that’s certainly how the kosher meat-packing industry operates. Torture the Lamb, in a vat of boiling urine & excrement,… Read more »
“I suspect we’re in for Hollywood to jump into the fray on cue with some “high-production values” atrocity porn if they haven’t already (beheaded babies?)” I don’t know the truth of these claims—and neither does anyone else—certainly not the talking heads MSM and their Hebrew accomplices. Slaughtering the innocent is a time honored trigger in the Western world, especially in the Christian Era. What I do know is that such a ploy(?) to ignite disgust, hatred, and retribution has been used quite recently and in the same regional area. Remember the first Gulf War. I do. In that case, we… Read more »
The girl was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. The Stunt was arranged by the NYC P R firm Hill and Knowlton.
The head of H&K’s Washington office was Craig Fuller who had been Bush’s Chief of Staff while Bush was Reagan’s VP.
A US firm suborned perjury to Congress to involve the country in a foreign war.
That was the point at which I recognized that the US was not a serious country.
People should have been hanged.
I would have included these, but fear of the spam filter etc etc. See if it works.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1990/08/03/hill-knowlton-to-acquire-firm-headed-by-craig-fuller/70ff849a-fe75-44ce-9b2d-0a985613b1b1/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
I don’t know if the “beheaded babies” thing is true or not. Maybe it is. But I do know that in 1917, the “Huns” were accused of bayonetting babies, and that was false. In 1991, the Iraqi army was accused of murdering babies in incubators, and that was false.
So until I get more information I will remain skeptical that this is war propaganda intended to incite the goyim to support Israel.
Your view is ridiculous. The Muzzies are barbaric savages that follow their Koran’s insistence to murder anyone who disagrees with Mohammed, their “prophet who never prophesied”. The earth has no place for such vermin.
To be skeptical of atrocity claims is not to support “Muzzies”, but rather to support the truth. Those who would lie to you wrt such events are *not* your friend—even though you both seemingly have the same enemy—but rather *your* enemy who wishes to deceive you into rash action which will be ultimately to his, rather than your benefit. I personally don’t want these folk (Muzzies) anywhere near me or living in my country (they have their own), but after a lifetime of seeing “war frenzy” whipped up generate popular support for elitist interests, I’m fairly retrospect when I see… Read more »
Right, “for no reason at all,” lol.
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
1 Samuel 15:3
The Muzzies aren’t the only “barbaric savages” out there whose religion tells them to kill anyone who disagrees… if you hold that “the earth has no place for such vermin” then you must logically agree that it has no place for a certain Semitic tribe, either.
These days it seems the “highest” form of virtue that matters anymore is kissing black, tranny, jewish, illegal alien and gay ass – furthermore, the greatest exercise of justice is making sure White people get none, regardless of their virtue…
The problem with the Middle East is the same reason that southern Italy could never develop no matter how many autostradas were paved and power lines hung. The concept of “il vendetta.” Nothing big can be built without drawing a thick black line and moving forward. Historically the only way this could be done was the total obliteration of your enemy. In Christianity the concept of “forgiveness” is front and center. The fact that the modern Christian since the 2nd “great awakening” has expanded the concept of forgiveness into a pacifist death cult is a Christian problem not a non-Christian… Read more »
A population with a Bronze Age mindset will eventually end up with Bronze Age living conditions. Things that are not maintained can fall apart surprisingly fast and the West is rapidly losing the human capital capable of keeping the lights on and the toilets flushing. The fact that we even know that anything happened in Israeli is because of technological advances in telecommunications by Western civilization, a civilization which appears to be in terminal decline. We may soon be entering a World without Whiteys creature comforts.
I always feel like calling semitic morality “bronze age” is doing the Ancient Egyptians a disservice. They operated with rule of law.
You are completely illiterate about the Germanic world. There’s no question that after a similar attack they would come right in and kill everyone. As would the Romans. Read Fight at Finnsburgh.
Did you bother to read the post?
“The sanctions regime was specifically aimed at the Russian people. The hope was that sanctions would collapse the economy and throw the population into starvation.” The theoretical way sanctions regimes are supposed to work is to punish the population in the target country until they rise of and throw off their leaders who we don’t like. Aside the fact that this almost never works, they will often say this in the same paragraph as they are calling the leader a “brutal dictator.” Civilian uprisings almost always end in lots of dead bodies in the streets. Mao even invited criticism from… Read more »
“Sanctions don’t work!”
Recently listened to a US Naval War college professor address this:
Basic argument is that they don’t work in the short term, but over decades they utterly destroy countries that are enemies of the US.
Not sure how true that is, but it’s pretty f-ing evil
But this assumes that the US has a time line extending out to decades. Well, it won’t, not when the Third World is sluicing in in their hot, hungry, and pig ignorant millions.
So, no sale, you idiot “professor”.
Seems like it might have worked in Venezuela and Cuba. Sort of. In Iran, not so much. But in all cases, the regime lives on. Off the top of my head, I’m not coming up with a single case where it has succeeded in toppling a regime. Unless it was some African shithole where they topple every Thursday anyway.
When I said it almost always fails, I was thinking of South Africa. It probably wasn’t the only reason, but it was at least part of it.
We have gotten glimpses of how D.C. works with the massive corruption of the Bidens, and they are not an outlier. Sanction evasion is quite lucrative, too, and at one point the same Special People could get their beaks wet by shrewd investments and insider tips about which companies could profitably evade the same sanctions imposed to protect Our Democracy. The smarter of the two savage Bronze Age Death Cults currently killing babies excelled at sanction evasions, by the way. This may no longer work because the loss of trust is shared by those at the top. Along the lines… Read more »
I always knew he was a kahanist type but it’s good to see guys like Josh hammer drop the facade that he is a foreign policy realist. He had been expressing skepticism towards Ukraine but he seems all in on this conflict. Perhaps he’s a different flavor of neocon. The antijihad/Pamela geller types were one flavor of neocon more concerned with Israel. The kristol/kagan/nuland types were more concerned with eastern Europe. Also, it’s annoying to see rw Jews on Twitter all of a sudden trying out the al and Jesse playbook. If you look at hammers Twitter it’s only slightly… Read more »
It is kind of heartening to see that such tools are not opposed to using extreme violence against a group that needlessly murders and humiliates women, just need them to…bring their focus in a little closer.
Didn’t they write the Al and Jesse Playbook?
“Our sense of virtue in the West is a very republican one in that it is based on your relationship with the social systems, not how you serve your family, your community, or your people.” This is actually an inversion of right and wrong. Think about all the people mobbed and hated because they said the wrong word or words around an African or LGBTQIPA+ person. Everything about them is ignored and they are pilloried and made into a bad example of how evil people live. Think about the “Karen” meme of failing to show enough deference to an African… Read more »
Attorneys are well aware that breaking the law is not necessarily unjust, and indeed may be the most just thing…There are two categories of laws…malum in se (punishing what’s immoral by societal standards), and malum prohibitum, which is everything else, including millions of regulations…
Juries have traditionally recognized that killing can be moral and just in some circumstances, and that goes back to ancient Anglo-Saxon customs and law..Jefferson, Thoreau and others have said that violating an unjust law is not only acceptable, but required….
Jefferson: “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”
The prohibition against mugging old ladies is not an unjust one. These are the kinds of crimes where the law will not be enforced. Much of the lax law enforcement is malicious and selective and based on the race of the victim and perpetrator. The 3 blacks who kidnapped and tortured a retarded White kid and who live-streamed it while in constant state of laughing were handled with kid gloves and given probation. This kind of thing goes on all over the US now. This occurs both in and out of court. Kevin Cooper, who put an axe into 3… Read more »
Yes, and it will get much worse. The thugs must be allowed to beat up old ladies because “equity.”
Good point Pyrrhus, but don’t forget “mens rea“ which has all but done away with in the above concept of law. In the myriad number of laws and regulations we are subject to, proving a
“guilty mind” is just to difficult and bothersome these days for our masters.
Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. This can be pretty evil. When I was young, it was not particularly uncommon for a girl to lie about her age. I had a friend who was 17 and dating a 14 year old unknown to him. Even her mother lied to him and said she was 16. Fortunately, nothing came of it, but it could have.
Yep, such was occurring in my university during the later days of the Feminism scourge. Co-Ed’s could file an “evidence-free” rape accusation to the Dean of Students and instantly you became an “alumni”. If a horny guy “pumped and dumped” a female classmate he was playing with fire if she sought revenge through the administration.
Hm. This is really quite murky. Southern negroes in the so-called “civil rights movement” violated “unjust” laws as a matter of course. We now see that not only were those laws not unjust, they were necessary for the maintenance of civilization.
Larry Krasner…with a name like that, he is undoubtedly Thai.
The logical endpoint of the “Our Democracy” dialectic in the US can be found in the Iraqi elections. These are really censuses, not elections. The Shiites wave their purple fingers and ululate for the Shiite candidate and the Sunnis scream for their guy. So the balance of power really comes down to how many militia each side can field and how well they manipulate foreign governments and NGOs ($$). Since the writ of the government doesn’t extend outside Baghdad and the influence of foreigners ends at the Green Zone barricade, we are left with tribal mini-states running the show. (Lebanon… Read more »
It increasingly is our present.
A million years ago Pat Buchanan rightly pointed out that there was a difference between a concentration camp and a deathcamp. A concentration camp was like Andersonville, a place where prisoners were concentrated, with the death (supposedly) stemming from a lack of resources rather than actual intent. The intent of a deathcamp wasn’t the concentration, but the death. The slimeball Bill Kristol used this to claim Buchanan was a “Holocaust denier” (“He said there were no concentration camps!”) and the rest is history. Gaza is five miles wide by twenty-five miles long, with something like two million people living there,… Read more »
Great stuff Joey. I have told my Jewish friends (some are pretty based actually, or as based as rich Jewish guys can be) that the Liberal Jews have really screwed the pooch pushing for all the “diversity”. My argument to them is that the elite WASPs of yore may have had contempt for them, but the Jews managed to get very rich and were very safe with the WASPs in charge. But because they think they can always improve things, they have displaced the old WASPs with this coalition of anti-White knuckleheads. They wanted to be in charge so they… Read more »
This. American Jews should have been pro Traditional America all along. So what if wasps blackballed them from a country club, they were safe and could prosper and contribute. Wasps created a basically honest and decent society, as far as they go. It was a wasp American Army that fought the Nazis. American Jews are NOT safe with these low IQ POC knuckleheads who lie as a matter of culture and are one chimp-out away from literal throat slitting. Also, there is no reason for Dissident Right to be pro-Palestinian or pro-Hamas. No different than being pro BLM or La… Read more »
Yessir, this. I’m supposed to pick a least odious dog in this fight? Choices… a barbaric foreign underdog whose incompatible culture celebrates the butchering of innocent men women and children… or the other side which has corrupted the morals of my society, is at the forefront of every effort to flood my land with foreigners and actively opposes any of Our Peoples’ efforts to roll back the degeneracy and corruption? A plague on both their houses. Our People: Young male isolation, men killing themselves, women brainwashed into self-loathing and degeneracy, inability to own homes, racial quotas harming employment, local schools… Read more »
“Too bad they both can’t lose”. VP Chaney commenting on the Iraq/Iran war.
Now that the WASP has fallen, in the Anglosphere distinctions of rank between the Germanic/Anglo/etc. (white) and the Ashkenazi (optionally white) are drawn by Jews. Unlike white Christians, blacks don’t reflexively obey them. No black man who’s not an antisemite even knows what a Jew is. He trusts his predatory eye when picking out homos to sucker-punch, grannies to rob, and politicians to riot against. Netanyahu is wise enough to reject African immigrants because he knows his people can’t rule them. Our local Jews can’t see past their erection at the thought of our extinction—which is also theirs. Their “politics”… Read more »
Quite right. However, so-called negro “Jews” from the Horn of Africa, with the assent of the Israeli government, have been pouring into Israel for quite some time. And–mirabile dictu!–they’re proving to be virulent social pests.
There is no America left to preserve. Our job is to plan its successor, incorporating the lessons learned from America’s failure.
The enduring advantage, maybe the only advantage, that we have over the Afrikaners, and the Palestinians, is that there are just way too many of us. This vexes Them to no end. And this advantage will persist long after we have become a minority/plurality. Moreover, their plates couldn’t keep spinning without us. We can only hope they institute an apartheid.
I saw a video on Saturday or Sunday that was supposed to be Israelis dumping cement into a well. Given the prevalence of propaganda on the internet, it might be old video or not a well, but it does match the rhetoric which is a total blockade including food, water and medicine. The bloodlust on social media is indicative of the deep seated hatred all sides have. To me, it’s just more proof, as if it were needed, that diversity plus proximity equals war. I just wish the promise of social media, which was that we could see videos of… Read more »
Bibi told the “Gazans” That: “If you are not part of Hamas move.” Where is he proposing they move to? I think I know. To Europe and America.
Germany maybe, Bibi would like to kill them all, but sending them on to Germany/Europe, would be even better
I don’t care about Israel or Palestine either but I do care that we give a blank check to Israel for whatever they do. We can at least not make things there worse then they would be otherwise. Watching the Congresscritters fall over themselves with slobbering support for Israel is disgusting.
Great post, Z. A friend of mine is a real estate agent in Northern VA. She told me that a few years ago, a dot Indian colleague of hers who shares a large office space was working with a Guatemalan client/home buyer. The Amerindian decided to back out of the home purchase after placing earnest money but he reneged within the time frame and was due his earnest money. The details were explained to him including the fact that there is a process involved. That afternoon, the Amerindian showed up at their office and refused to leave until he received… Read more »
The ultimate freedom of association is an independent, sovereign ethnostate.
“…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting… Read more »
It makes you wonder, in the face of the present blistering criticism of America as a bunch of Enlightenment hokum. Not that the criticism is without merit, yet clearly there was the idea of America as a new nation that had to be protected and strengthened, as opposed to the largest social experiment yet undertaken. Back and forth for a quarter millennium, or so. I wish we would decide what we are, already!
It was Great Britain or France in those days. plus ça change….
The clash of these two views of justice in the US (possibly also Europe) implies the extinction of those that continue to hold the Western way of justice in the face of the tribal way. As each member of our tribe is killed or imprisoned by the institutions captured by the enemy, we sit back and rely on that captured system. Adapt or perish as a people.
As I was getting at below, this demand for tribal loyalty is potentially very damaging to a coalition that is built on multiple tribes. A mix of blacks, arabs, shitlib whites, jews, and hispanics does not make for an enduring political union that can stand the test of time.
It will mean a change of political systems. Liberal democracy is dead, Long Live the King!
Well there is a third way – West for me, tribal for thee. That is, internally and amongst our own people, justice is served Western style. Externally towards hostile tribes, we go native.
Ideally, the only hostile tribes will be kept without our borders. Hence, tribalism would apply to foreign policy but not domestic.
I think that ship has sailed already.
No. It will be the future. God willing.
“ Ideally, the only hostile tribes will be kept without our borders. ”
I’m thinking it can be done—and is done in many countries. I note how certain ethnically whole countries on occasion issue VISA’s for residency and nothing else—no right to vote, no path to citizenship, renewal every 6-12 months. In some case even having to go back to home country to reapply.
Not quite what you desire, but it can be done.
Quite. In fact, one could easily argue that the trible norms, the laws of the jungle, are being worked against whites who fecklessly attempt to defend themselves with rapidly attenuating universalist systems of virtue and justice. Call it the Boomer Boomerang.
tribal
Christ, some of the errors I’m making these days…
Parts of the left used to oppose wars, now everyone is eating the freedom fries, completely exterminating the opposing tribe goes back a long way in the Middle East.
I do find it interesting as the Z pointed out that the media can come up with all kinds of war porn to feed the masses from the Middle East but very little from the Ukraine.
Does anybody else miss the Cold War? Say what you will about the times, and about Soviet Communism, but it seemed for forty years as if the world operated under a set of predictable, understandable, relatively civilized rules. Everyone knew where the line was: you stay on your side of the Berlin Wall; we stay on our side. As long as nobody sends their tanks across the border, all of us get to go about our business normally. Khrushchev was blustery, but not a madman (“We will bury you” was actually better translated as “We will outlast you”). Brezhnev just… Read more »
This is a point Dugin has made often. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not just a catastrophe for Russia, but for the world. I do not agree entirely with this, but in the fullness of time we may look at the end of the Cold War as a catastrophe for the West.
Z – the end of the Cold War being a catastrophe is even more pronounced as it can argued that the West LOST the war. The USSR may have collapsed but it’s main export to the world (Communism, Socialism) spread throughout Western Europe and the Anglosphere. The Soviets lost their country but won the world.
Something interesting is how seamlessly a lot of the Soviet-era bureaucrats transitioned to western ways. One can argue they are just chameleons who fit in wherever they are put, or things weren’t really that different.
The Soviet-era bureaucrats always lived in a prosperous Western bubble within their communist country. Nothing to adjust to.
Agreed and have thought the same a lot over recent years, Boris. The one war the United States could claim as a post-WWII victory also was lost.
What we are experiencing is postmodern facism, not communism. Foucault triumphed where Marx failed.
The West lost the Cold War the day that Bill and Hillary Clinton walked into the White House.
Not exactly. Communism is cousin of capitalism. Not some wildly divergent system. Both are children of the liberal-enlightenment paradigm. They just emphasize different aspects of human affairs to liberate. The largest differences between the American and the Russia systems were the result of vastly different cultures and histories. Both could be capitalist or communist and have vastly different ways of living and governments. Beyond that, Schumpeter predicted 70 years ago that capitalism would inevitably transform into socialism as the children of capitalists became soft and took the gains of their ancestors for granted. Which is what we are living through… Read more »
Gorbachev and the others at the top of the Kremlin saw how China transformed its economy by ditching hard-core communism and advancing some freedoms, producing tremendous economic growth and restoring Chinese greatness. They tried to do the same, but it didn’t work the same way. Part of the problem was China followed a gradual approach of first freeing the local economies, especially agriculture, while only gradually freeing large industries, mostly maintaining state control. By contrast, Russia listened to Western economists and imposed “shock therapy,” letting the infamous oligarchs loot heavy industry, especially commodities, until Putin came in and killed, exiled… Read more »
We may look at it as an opportunity squandered by triumphalist, vengeful neocons who saw the end of the Cold War not as a telos but as a staging ground to subject the entire planet to liberal democracy under the misbegotten aegis of universalism.
Not so much liberal democracy, but neoliberalism, aspiring to transcend the nation state. But neoliberalism became neocolonialism, almost inevitably given its foundational beliefs and tenets. So, send in the economic hitmen to preserve the desired end state of master and peon.
But be sure to emplace a comprador elite to enforce your satrapies.
It unleashed the unspeakable Neocons!
Cliff Robertson in “Three Days of the Condor”:
Do you miss that kind of action, sir (WWII)? John Houseman: No, I miss that kind of clarity.” And regarding Z commenting on bombing civilians in wars, that began in WWI.
Max von Sydow. I have never forgotten that scene.
That scene toward the end in the front yard was one of my favorites.
That whole movie was prescient. I saw it for the first time about 20 years ago when I was still naive. But the 70s libs back then were right about the CIA. Shame they changed.
Rewatched it two months ago on a whim. Holds up, especially its outlook.
I feel that destruction is more mutually assured in 2023 than it was in 1963.
This Israel shyte is an acid test for membership in the dissident right. So much utterly appalling vengeance-seeking on Gaza civilians. The Ace of Spades website is what the ADL would look like if they had nukes. All these guys who pretended to be anti-war, America Firsters–some even opposed to the Ukraine fiasco-now going full asshole neocon for our “greatest ally.” Six gorillian babies have been beheaded! Its fucking disgusting.
I can’t be the only one whose first thought, upon hearing about dead babies, was Kuwaiti hospital incubators.
And Germans in WWI playing baby catch with their bayonets.
As opposed to the Haitians during the Haitian Revolution, who actually did just that.
A favorite pastime of the Ottoman Turks as well, peace be upon them…
Shhh: you’re not supposed to mention the white genocide in Saint-Domingue.
Everything has been swell since the French were removed.
Correct. So it goes with all this semitic shite. Any number of Christians are now standing up on their hind feet and proclaiming that jews are God’s chosen people. Hell’s bells – have any of those retards even READ the bible? The old testament is ALL about how God punished those idiots, and how they never learned anything! My personal opinion is that whole mess is up to God to sort out, because if we get involved with them, He will judge us when next he judges them. This kind of crap will drive schisms in all camps – not… Read more »
have any of those retards even READ the bible?
Yes. Unfortunately, it was the Scofield(stein) bible.
A lot of my father’s family are nice people but also Christian Zionists (aaargh!). They are faithful followers of the Rev. John Hagee. I think of them as Christians united in solidarity with the Scribes and Pharisee.
“In the secular world, I think this is going to be the exit strategy of Globohomo from the Ukraine debacle.”
Yep, but remind me–what’s Ukraine?
Remember in the Philippines when they tried to kick the U.S. Military out of the Islands? Well SOB, Al Qaeda showed up out of the blue and took over a whole city. Hate it when that happens. Then of course the U.S. had to stay to “help” the Philippines. Look at this from 30,000 ft and what has happened? Bibi was saved from impeachment at the very least. Maybe worse. The neocons are well on their way to their long standing dream of War with Iran. The U.S. Government has, for the moment at least, distracted the normies from the… Read more »
Bibi probably was a dancing Israeli when this happened because it will keep him in power and out of jail at least for a little while longer. Personal corruption isn’t a big deal when you have a country to save. A pox on all their houses as far as I’m concerned. I still haven’t forgotten that Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Biden after the steal. Screw him especially.
Bibi is a true snake. He wreaks of it. One thing is a given. Mossad is many things. Incompetent is not one of them.
I still haven’t forgotten that Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to congratulate Biden after the steal.
And after Trump fellated him and Israel for 4 straight years, no less.
Yes. U.S. Presidents tend to be very cheap whores for Israel don’t they.
AoS has never pretended to be anything other than a pro-Israel front, so they reaction over there isn’t surprising. But there are definitely some green shoots coming up in the normie-verse. Take this video by Salty Cracker, titled “Israel claims Hamas killed and beheaded 40 babies.” Two decades ago, this would have been a rage-filled attack on the Palestinians. A decade ago, the same. A half dozen years ago it probably followed the same script. But in 2023, the video basically makes the point that we can’t believe what we’re told and even if it’s true, as horrible as it… Read more »
I hope you are right, but what is striking me right now is how much they have NOT changed despite 20 years of BS.
A lot of the commenters and staff there share an affinity with Israel. One member of staff who calls himself Charlie Brown’s Dildo constantly calls for Europe to be exterminated because they’re …socialists. Sure. Last year with the massive increase in heating costs he was salivating at the prospect of millions of Europeans freezing to death. The same person boasts about Judeo Christian virtues. They whine about woke and cancel culture but call for anti-semites to be destroyed physically and/or economically. America is a proposition nation and white identity a betrayal of the shining city. An extremely unpleasant and priggish… Read more »
Being an impartial observer of the fracas in the Levant (that statement alone would get me ostracized as a heretic here in clown world), the main entertainment value for me is seeing the pro-palestinian “left” assailed by the pro-jew “left,” because this time around it probably has far reaching political implications. This time around, the Current Thing demands that you are either pro jew or you are a non person. They don’t have any room left for the pro palestinians. And they are going by the creed that “silence is violence,” which mostly came from the pro Pal/BLM left in… Read more »
In order to have a schism on the Left, the Left would have to have a consistent set of principles. The difference between the pro-palestinians and the pro-jews is more like a ripple when you toss a rock into a pond. Gone in a few seconds.
All this. The political schism is particularly noticeable in the so-called “media.” Intelligence services mouthpiece CNN, littered with even former Mossad spooks, is grilling Freedom Bagels and is all-in on Israel 4-Ever. MSNBC/NBC, the mouthpiece of chi-chi radicalism, is grilling Freedom Kebabs and Stands with Palestine. I haven’t noticed either of their talking heads wearing Palestinian or Israeli flag pins on their lapels just yet, but the day is young. It may seem like hopium but the Coalition of the Fringes indeed is unraveling and erupting into a leftwing civil war. These will continue to happen. We must focus on… Read more »
Jeffrey Zoar: First thing I noted as I started scanning headlines this morning. The hedge fund managers and Wall Street bigwigs are all proclaiming a “no hire” policy for the various Ivy League student associations who sided with the Palestinians. And a sexually-confused BLM student leader had a job offer rescinded. Meanwhile, the subcons are furiously trying to distance themselves from the blaqs and Arabs. Everyone is busy scrubbing internet and social media pages. Because everyone knows that if it’s not online it doesn’t exist. Besides, they’ve been toppling statues and remaking movies and rewriting books for years now. Surely… Read more »
“I find it absolutely hilarious. The Jews have been funding every anti-White group and agitating for the destruction of heritage America for decades. Suddenly their foot soldiers have all turned on them! And it never occurred to the blaqs that they wouldn’t be hired as chief diversity officer, because they are innately convinced of their own brilliance. Hey, what ever happened to the ‘arc of history’ eternally bending their way?” The drain arcs downwards. It is delicious! Our people need to keep sorting and removing themselves from the circus. The Tribe also has been blocked from the Sino exit ramp.… Read more »
JD, yessir. AND we move to help Our People while the desert people rage against each other. So many of Our People need help and guidance. It can be as tremendous as financially helping a young white family improve their condition or as easy as helping mentor Our youth in an activity. The “Sorting” is good, AND we can do more than be passive observers to the latest shitshow. This isn’t directed at you Sir… you just got me thinking about how fed up I am with Our People being distracted by the “latest thing” as much as the Left.… Read more »
Make this man a General and may he back it up with deeds!
The orc of history keeps rhyming.
Good post 3g.
I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the “poor juice”. I’ll sit back and eat my popcorn as the jew foot soldier pets turn on their masters.
Have been wondering myself, why this Get Gaza stuff was catching with subcons this week. I’m from Socal and not a subcon but have noted once or twice their sensitivity to what is “low class” or not (and obviously, the slice of subcons over here is none too representative of the race generally). Pondered it earlier with the NYer mag expose of that Daily Show/Netflix comedical gentleman who is basically a woke opportunist, it turns out. With occasional interesting exceptions, they don’t typically buy the “solidarity” hype and instead to deploy it as part of a minmax strategy. A Muslim… Read more »
Good point, Zoar. However, in any conflict between the Jews and the PoC, it will be a mighty close-run thing. A Jewish triumph is not a slam dunk here.
A complex and thought-provoking post today. Let’s try to parse some of it. “Hamas committed an atrocity against the Jews because their justice demanded it.” Their survival, not their justice. The Israelis want to exterminate them, do away with them as a house owner wants to do with rats in his abode. For the Israelis the Palestinians are untermensch. Israeli policy is slow suffocation, slow but sure extermination. In this they’re backed by US and European connivance and at times complicity. A nod and a wink, accompanied by some hypocritical words about peace settlement. By the same people who’ve been… Read more »
The Irony–it burns. The Jews were driven out of the Pale of Settlement in Ukraine, then landed in Israel, and America, and prospered mightily while still holding fast to their ancient tenets. Now the worm has turned and they are repeating history trying to drive out Arabs. The question is, why do the Palestinian Arabs cling so stubbornly to their slivers of territory, when conceivably they must be as intelligent as the Jews, yet refuse to depart and prosper elsewhere taking their ancient tenets with them? And as an aside, once the dust has settled, will the same ME countries… Read more »
To me the situation is reminiscent — in a macabre way — to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. I suppose it’s a thought crime to even equate the two. That uprising also was doomed to failure. The Palestinians are no match for the Ashkenazi Jews in intelligence. The one thing I cannot say is that the Ashkenazis are stupid. For the Palestinians I suppose the question is that even if they could depart, why should they? It’s a matter of principle. Why should they be ousted from their homeland? The Jews have operated like the camel that pokes his cold nose… Read more »
It’s the fact that it’s not our business to be involved in that bothers me. Further, if Israel makes good on their threats and Americans cheer it, idk. The plague years took enough of a toll on me. After a point, it’s not worth defending one’s own.
It is always worth defending one’s own. The trick is figuring out who is one’s own.
If you have to figure it out, you might ask yourself who you are, first 😃
Speaking of Bronze Age Mindset at the end of this article, I would love a Z man review of BAM by BAP. I’m a big fan and I know a lot of my friends are as well. He seems pretty popular in the younger right wing sphere, and has minimal overlap with the fuentes groupies.
Has the Zman written about BAP at all before?
I used to interact with him on Twitter back in the old days, but then I was banned for a long time. I tried listening to his podcast, but the Borat accent was too much for me. I have not read his book.
It’s in-character comic philosophy layered over some traditional observations and advice you’re old enough to know (or reject) already. You’d probably be extremely annoyed by it.
Back in our day “pomo” fiction gradually developed a self-parodizing Nietzschean authorial voice—Mark Leyner perfected it—because that voice lets you say *anything*, fully sincerely and ironically at the same time.
It’s like that but not finely crafted.
His ‘cave man’ act is just an act. You either get the humor or you don’t. He’s actually one of the smartest people on the right. His judgment in political matters is nearly perfect. Here’s an article where he lets the act drop somewhat. It’s about Ukraine but it could be about this new war as well: https://theamericansun.com/2022/07/29/bap-on-the-abuse-of-war/ His PhD dissertation in political science from Yale is also good. You can get it on Amazon. Review that one instead. Search for ‘Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy’. Too radical for most people but a very insightful book. People who… Read more »
My $.02: That book has some interesting points to make about a mindset that is to be inculcated and explored. However, BAP has been identified and it looks like he is a subversive. Another usual suspect. He promotes and Andrew Tate type of philandery, degenerate lifestyle and has some very suspect mentors. Many on the DR who expressed caution about him and now they are looking prudent for doing so. If you want to follow our guys, follow: Tom Rowsell of Survive the Jive Dries van Langenhove: (https://odysee.com/@Guben14:0/Dries-van-Langenhove-Speech-at-the-March-against-Marrakesh–English-Subtitles-:8 https://odysee.com/@BelgianCongo:3/Dries-Van-Langenhove-restores-Congo-monument-dedicated-to-1894-war-against-Arab-Slavers:2 The Distributist The Prudentialist George Bagby Auron MacIntyre Just to name… Read more »
I mean, it’s right there in the name: Bronze Age Pervert. I guess he was not being ironic about being part of the Kosher Nostra.
Some of his stuff is humorous, and it seemed he had some good ideas. Lifting weights is never bad.
His book was okay. The only memorable passage for me is the one where he compares someone like Mitt Romney to an ancient alpha male. It’s a good thing to keep in mind, how effete and emasculated even our most “alpha” world rulers are. (For example, a typical Greek archon had seen more death, or slain more people, or had more wives and concubines, than even a modern Israeli ruler.)
For what it’s worth, the TRS guys say that BAP has admitted that he is chosen. I don’t trust the TRS guys not to exaggerate and because I’ve never found BAP compelling, I don’t care enough to check myself.
If BAP has the lineage that they claim, then this fact is significant because of the deep tribal loyalty that almost all of them feel. If the claim is true, you cannot read BAP as a disinterested commenter about the conflict in the Levant.
The book “Human Smoke” goes into great detail the effort the British put into starving and bombing civilian populations during WWII. It also goes into the massive propaganda campaign directed at the civilian population, including incarcerating a massive number of British citizens with no due process. On the U.S. side, you have Sherman terrorizing the South in the civil war and the ruthless elimination of the natives in the 1800’s. Whether you believe such tactics were necessary is beside the point. It shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a… Read more »
There is something elegant and sort of satisfying in the thought of two chosen champions, or better yet, their leaders fighting it out man to man to determine which side wins a war. If wars necessitated that the President and Congress move their offices to within 10 miles of the battle front, we would soon find the cries for war and retribution muted. Even better, if we help Israel, all troops we send must be Jewish.
All three of them ?!?
I am reminded of the old music video “When 2 tribes go to war” that shows a Brezhnev-looking leader and a Bidenish looking leader pummeling each other…
To add to your point, note the great effort to whitewash allied atrocities in WW2 or the desire of abolitionist to genocide the white population in the South. This is done because this behavior falls outside modern concepts of virtue and justice.
I recently have seen high-lighted for the first-time reprinted stories/quotes about the Puritan intent to genocide Southerners along with reproduced photographs of how brutal and menacing the federal troops were during the Civil Rights era. Both are meant as warnings/terrorism and are the product of Semitic and Semitic-influenced mindsets. You once had to dig to find these stories and pictures, and I had forgotten how genocidal the language was toward even children.
When push comes to shove, any country with a few nukes and the ability to deploy them would use them before defeat. That is a universal given, and mostly a universal deterrent to would be attackers. The logical conclusion from this is any country that hopes to avoid military conquest should be seeking nukes with all their power. It would probably be a more peaceful world if everybody had them instead of just a few, with the no doubt occasional localized exchange between the inevitable nuts of course. The problem soon however is the potential for biological warfare the likes… Read more »
>t shows that western ideas of justice and virtue can only rally exist in a peaceful time among a relatively peaceful people.
I might claim the opposite. The modern/Western ‘total war’ seems to demand “unconditional surrender” of the enemy. That goal, in turn, requires defeating the enemy’s will-to-fight, which in turn, justifies the slaughter of their women and children.
Put differently, the old “private wars” between monarchs arguably produced more humane results.
This is anti-wokeism and conservatism over at Triggernometry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbfskBJDIVI
Note the framing as nefarious actors.
Tom Rowsell at Survive the Jive has the best and appropriate rebuttals. We are surrounded on all sides. Sorry for the off topic comment. Great post today. On positive identity, Rowsell’s channel is a must. He is still on YT for now. He was denied entry the the US recently. Please share with your friends and family.