One of the unremarked things that has happened over the past ten years is the collapse of the so-called man-o-sphere. There may be people still working that land, but all the big names have moved on or disappeared. The pickup artist have all disappeared from the internet entirely. That whole scene just seems to have folded up and gone the way of the dinosaur without anyone noticing.
One reason is the demographic aged out of the material. A guy like Heartiste, for example, could do the pickup artist stuff when he was early middle-age, but once you hit fifty you become a skeevy weirdo, not a Don Juan. The same holds for the other subcultures in that space. Once you reach middle-age, it all starts to sound a bit weird and pointless, even to the people making money off it.
There is another aspect to it. That whole scene was a reaction to the feminization of the culture starting with second wave feminism. The next generation of males have no frame of reference in which to have a reaction. The typical Zoomer has been raised in the longhouse, to use the cool kid’s term. He has no way of knowing that all of this is both weird and unnatural.
That is the point of the show. The male role is not a slippery concept that changes from one generation to the next. It has been revolutionized and pulverized over the last few decades, but that is what makes this age anomalous. The male role in society is timeless, at least in the Western world. There are certain immutable characteristic to being a man that will reassert themselves in the coming years.
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Duty above all. Get the job done, no matter the sacrifice.
That is a man.
Tony Soprano checking in?
OT: I have been boozing tonight and thinking about how Congress literally celebrated voting to give hundreds of billions ot foreign countries while we get screwed. I never quite was on the Z Man idea of the hating us until now. I will NEVER vote again for an establishment congressman. F THIS
Let their precious donors manufacture votes
Zuckerberg and his cronies manufactured about 10 million votes in 2020 via falsified mail-in ballots. They will likely have to double that total in 2024 in order to reelect the pants-shitter.
Ain’t America Great!
I agree, but if I were to bring this subject up at the bar where I drink, I would just get blank stares or be laughed at…
Roosh V left the entire movement and is now an Orthodox Christian ; I should also say Vox Day is thriving as both comics and books are doing exceptionally well. One thing i notice now is the social sexual hierarchy and it shows up clearly in the comments as to your status.
Didn’t know where this goes because it applies to so many threads, so here made sense. If all a woman is looking for is a bad boy, she’s just a variant on a mudshark. Stay away. Unless its the best you can do, I guess, and if that’s the case maybe consider playing for the other team. At least do us the rest of us the favor of not spawning more “mudsharks” from her genes. Women worth having are complex, but share two major characteristics, and you must satisfy both. Security and submission. She wants to know that all her… Read more »
The only thing I think I probably misstated is that by “danger” I don’t mean (necessarily) physical danger, but simply the danger that all people feel having their (perceived) inadequacies exposed to the world.
It doesn’t matter whether we are talking about her body, or her intellect, or whatever, your task as a man is that if you take that on, you help her become the person she wants to be.
If you have to take a woman, you are slime. You need to deny yourself, even to the point of saying, “Tomorrow, babe, if you still feel that way.”
And, though because of this format, few follow beyond a day (maybe a couple days on the weekend), the whole idea of “what is good for white people” cannot be ignored. Either you are someone who is committed to the preservation of that which is good, i.e., white virtue, or you are not.
The PUA is no different than the nogger, who seeks the destruction of white virtue.
If you downvote, ask yourself why.
Reading through the comment section I had a few more thoughts on the people involved in this stuff. One thing that struck me was the severe cringe of the remaining true believers, what might have once enthralled a horny 20 year old now just sounds like the same insecure bragging of any pathetic middle-aged man. I remember boomers lying about how much sex they had in the 60s and now it’s gen x lying about how much sex they had in the 90s and xennials lying about how much sex they had in the 2000s. (I remember back in those… Read more »
You obviously have not had much success with women.
Becsuse you have zero pre / post red pill experience to compare notes.
Yes and I’m sure you’ve slept with hundreds of women. Can I buy your seminar?
I’d be glad to sell you my plan, but you are a lost cause, and I have a semblance of a conscience ya cool pathetic bastard.
Agreed, though I have no clue about some of your references. Onion? What strikes me about all the horror stories is the Forrest Gumpish, “And then for no reason at all, she filed for divorce and took half my shit.” No, there was a reason. Either you chose poorly, or you weren’t keeping her needs satisfied. So long as you didn’t somehow fall for a complete psychopath, she is not going to let a real catch slip through her fingers. And if she is a complete psychopath, breathe a sigh of relief and promise yourself to choose more wisely in… Read more »
Yes! Only the strong should marry!
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(Crap. Not enough characters, I guess.)
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Americans are really big on the whole “rugged individualist” thing for whatever reason, so it’s easy to get us to buy into the atomization even though we are member of an very social species.
Reality is somewhere between the Marlboro Man idiocy and the “it takes a village” idiocy, but I don’t expect most Amercians to grasp that before we are each dealt with individually.
Reality is somewhere between the Marlboro Man idiocy and the “it takes a village” idiocy, but I don’t expect most Amercians to grasp that before we are each dealt with individually.
That is the sad Truth…
Yeah, hookup culture made a mess of dating. Lots of manipulation involving sex on both sides. You’d end up sleeping around looking for someone to marry, which made bonding difficult. Cart before the horse, a lot of people got crushed. Personally, I went through it a couple of times and got the shits of it, but that was the reality you had to accept if you didn’t want to be single. People cope. Bragging, PUA, MGTOW, feminism— all cope.
Marrying the 30-something girl boss also cope, btw. Make the most of it, I guess.
For the record… The “red pill” is nothing new. It’s ages old masculine knowledge. I’ll sight William Shakespeare’s how to deal with a bitchy woman tour de force “The Taming of the Shrew,” and works by Arthur Schopenhauer as proof that what we know call the red pill is in fact what used to pass for common male knowledge. “Women love assholes.”
No- they do not – what woman like is a mysterious man and a man who is superior to her- it is weak men that turn off women and the victimization and fearfulness you exhibit lower your status.
BTW Z… Don’t be a hypocrite! I’ve been a fan of your writing since your Takimag days. Do you not, although humbly ask for donations to support your work? They don’t “accept listener enthusiasm at the bank” I don’t classify you as a grifter for asking for donations so you can afford the time and money to provide the great material you provide. I’m sure there are many ppl out there who don’t appreciate or see the value in your work who would equally consider you a grifter. If a guy like Rollo Tomassi “George Miller,” or Captain Capitalism “Aaron… Read more »
You’re fucking A right on the men’s “fashion” Z. All these hipster dudes walking around in berkenstocks / sandles with socks, always a freakin hoodie, hood up mind you in 90 degree heat. Cargo shorts with hoodie and a parka in a Buffalo blizzard, often with sandles / crocks. A guy who I trusted to do my tires without destroying my wheels told me he’s also a pastor of some Christian sect. He did a wedding held in a park, with the bride and groom attired in pajamas, robes and slippers. How fucking bizarre is that! Men do need to… Read more »
Do you know what it means to be a man? It is to take what you want and destroy the opposition. It is violence and chicanery in its highest forms. It is easy to settle for one female in a monogamous relationship. It is easy to pick up the black-as-a-negro spatula and start barbecuing. It is easy to go to work 9 to 5 and punch in a time clock. Try being charming enough to seduce a woman and have her support you, as I have, on more than one occasion. Oh, that’s right, it isn’t manly to have her… Read more »
Having women support grown men is how that other demographic does thing. To the extent that it basically seems baked in their cake. In Africa, the women work the fields while the men sit around under the baobob tree and drink fermented gruel or chew khat. White men DO things. We accomplish, we work, we invent, we strategize and execute war plans, and we are driven to it like a spring inside us. When it’s time to court a woman, we do that. When we’re in our stride, we don’t really have to do much in that regard, since the… Read more »
Yes, yes, compare me to a negro in the Projects if that’ll make you feel better, but could YOU seduce a chick so that she’s happy paying YOUR way? ∆
In my worst times, such as during a particularly bad jobless period in 2009 and the recession, she certainly did carry my unemployed carcass for months. It’s certainly not something I brag about.
You are seriously contending that the ability to hypnotize females into paying a man’s way in life is something worthy of respect, rather than the derision it’s going to get here?
Listen, you idiot. Do us all a favor and begone.
The entire PUA lifestyle is basically just “dating like a woman, for men”, as you note in your comparison to Africa which is indeed the continent of the PUA. Muh dick is just how Africans and PUAs roll.
At the end of the day, the only valid metric is this:
How many non-v@xxinated home-schooled gμn-toting White children has she produced by your seed?
All other metrics are invalid [of course, the assumption there being that she never snuck off to Planned Mμrderhood to snuff out any of your babies].
Changing the name of the plot element to “a Subway restaurant” was a clever ploy.
https://dark.sport.blog/2024/04/19/is-it-good-to-be-hypersmart/
Few readers here will suspect that YOU were the guy living in the SRO with no family or friends nearby and no woman to hear your complaints about your work day at Quiznos, Chick-fil-A, the liquor store, or wherever it was that you were employed at the time.
That Xloveli site really checks all the boxes for crappy/crazy web development. Well, almost all the boxes. He’s got the tiled background and animated gifs but where’s the blinking text and constantly changing fonts? Ya gotta have that stuff!
Heartiste 💓 was a great man. His comments room at Chateau Heartiste was different from Zman’s channel. Whereas the Chateau was about 80% alpha/alpha wannabes and 20% beta simps, Zman’s hollows are filled with 80% betas, and many of the scarce Alphas are refugees from WordPress’s lethal and final censorship of Chateau Heartiste. The betas here have this strange idea that if a man knocks up a piece of ass, he should spend 18 years slaving away to support her little rugrat. They think “Manning up” means taking responsibility, when it really is a euphemism for societal control. A lot… Read more »
You’re new here, so some slack is appropriate.
FWIW, I’m approaching 7 decades on the planet and can still ride a mountain bike across 20 miles of singletrack up and over a mountain pass at 10,000 feet and do then it again the next day if I choose. I’ve yet to find a riding partner (of any age) that can keep up. You’re welcome to join me here in the Central Rockies any time. Alpha is as alpha does.
I don’t think alpha males are supposed to say things like “in a jiffy.”
Lettie: I think it’s a bot. Either way, an Alpha male doesn’t need to flog his blog for followers at another man’s blog.
Yea pretty cuckish of him…
Sounds downright autoerotic if not heauxmeauxerotic!
Men who refer to women that way come across as try-hard and bitter, especially when talking about a woman they’ve been in a relationship with. It doesn’t sound “alpha,” it sounds black and low class. What does it say about a man, when he chooses to consort with “bitches?” What does it say about how he views the human experience?
Females aren’t part of the human experience. ∆
And yet here you are, a supposed “alpha,” pimping out your website to “betas.” If you were a true alpha, you wouldn’t spend a second thinking about them. But you aren’t — you need their attention and, I’m guessing, their money. Do you have any rhino horn aphrodisiac for sale?
Don’t you see how cringey you are? Keep going like this and you will reach Vox levels of cringe, without the fame.
Hey guys, now we should ridicule this fellow for having what it takes to become an alpha male. Think of the blood, sweat, and tears he put into pulling on his dick for hours every day to make it longer.
That would definitely produce blood, sweat and tears alright…
Dick curls, that’s the secret guys! You need to get to where your dick can curl at least 10 lbs. I bet our boy here can do at least 15!
Just a thought; to be a man do something genuinely dangerous, survive it and don’t brag about it. You need that hard to define but you-know-when-you-see-it steel core in your being
The Manosphere never got much love here, I truly believe this is a generational thing. Z’s audience skews Boomer, simple as. So the absolute shitshow that was dating in the mid 00s up to present day was basically lost on them. It was late Xers and Millennials who were really feeling the effects of the destruction of the social contract in full. Divorce court rape, the rise of social media, beta thirst/simping, and the complete abdication of responsibility by women. All brought to you in large part, by (((radical feminism))). So when these group of men started to compare stories… Read more »
Great comment! Yes, you had to be there to truly understand the Manosphere. Any man trying to date in the 90s thru the 00s knows what a confusing shit show it was and was struggling to put the pieces together of why it was like that way. It lead utterly clueless men coming together to understand feminism, the nature of women, to. . .many other things. Boomers will NEVER understand. They came of age, dated, got jobs, in a still sane and basically wholesome and sane country. We did NOT. So of course even the most based boomer will say… Read more »
Apex: Agree. I never commented at Heartiste, but I read – and I learned a lot about myself, women in general, and the nature, wants, and needs of men. Also agree that Zman’s audience skews Boomer – and more so of late than when I first started reading here. And it now seems normiecons and cuckservatards are coming out of the woodwork, wanting to share their latest color-blind enlightenment ‘insight.’ I suppose all good things come to an end.
Agreed. Whatever social milieu Z was dealing with in terms of sexual and romantic relationships, it definitely differed from the experience of later Gen X, Millennial, and subsequent. Maybe some of the women he interacted with were infected with the modern female mind virus, but clearly, not all of them (as they all are today)–which meant he has a classic viewpoint on these things. That’s as Boomerish as asking why young people don’t just buy a house. The PUA stuff, in its best form, was a godsend. It’s really just applied social theory, and, it works. It can be a… Read more »
“This guy had a rapier wit, razor sharp, in addition to deep & profound insights into the human psyche, the effects of globohomo, etc.” Indeed, there is a massive audience left to wonder the empty and shallow net in limbo. Yes, there were grifters, schitzos and wannabe players, but I think every criticism of the manoshpere misses the point. The so called ‘men’ back in the day have allowed the feminization of our culture, institutions and morals. If having ‘game’ is such a schoolboy act, then why is it so effective in dealing with not only women but men and… Read more »
I think the focus should be on practical advice and strategies that give results.
So long as “results” means something compatible with morality and tradition, sure. If “results” means nothing more than carving another notch in your bedpost, you are part of the problem.
Divorce brought me to the manosphere. That led me to. Ore dissident politics. I always thought that the race thing heated up again and eclipsed it.. but I still maintain if you clean up the woman thing in society it would make the race thing more tolerable.
It took tons of blather to finally figure out the life-changing message:
Women look for a man who isn’t afraid of them.
Women, men, an audience. It’s that simple.
That’s magnetism. That’s confidence.
Even though I’ve been arounds hundreds of women, and have no fear of crowds, I was never *that guy*.
I couldn’t read the signals. Now, because of that one line that I had to come up with, it just comes automatically with people. Many can do it but they can’t say how.
Heartiste changed my life.
But dammit, people, can’t anyone just simply say it?
Yeah I don’t agree with Z on the old puas. They happened because the gender dynamics were capsizing and they rediscovered some genuine human psychology in an empirical way. The pua scene was later overrun by hustler types but most things that work first become a business and then a scam
Yes. Pick up gets a bad rap from our host, but I think that’s because he sees it as a triviality and something that gives a seedy image to dissident politics.
He’s not wrong, it is a bad look. And I say that as someone who was the right age to be into Manosphere stuff at it’s peak.
It’s hard for me to imagine that countering leftist degeneracy with degeneracies more palatable to the right is the path out of clown world.
PUA encompasses a whole spectrum, or series of spectrums, which includes vile, base degeneracy right on up to virtuous wife-seeking. As water finds its own level, so will the hopeful pick up acolyte find his natural place on that map. Like any powerful tool, from a hammer to a machine gun, it can do great good or great harm. But I’m done flacking on behalf of pick up artistry for today. Final thing I’ll say is that it helped me understand the nature of women, as well as the nature of myself and men, and to frame that into saving… Read more »
The male sex drive is the one of the most powerful motivators of man.
There’s nothing wrong with the need to get laid, regular woman, many women.
Women set the table, men play the cards they’re dealt.
Right. Bad, bad look.
I get noggers wanting to destroy the last vestiges of white virtue, but whites? Particularly whites who claim to be acting in the interests of “whiteness”?
Alzaebo: “Women look for a man who isn’t afraid of them.” Here I’m gonna hafta disagree. It took me a long, long time to realize what was happening, but sometime in the last several decades, ambitious women began to see themselves as Ladies MacBeth, preferring Beta husbands, about whose gonads they could attach psychological BDSM testicle rings, tethered by psychological chains in their hands. The Neo-Lady-MacBeth is the hidden lurking curse of the 21st Century dating scene. Ambitious women of the 21st Century do NOT want to be eye candy on an Alpha’s elbow; they want to rule the roost.… Read more »
BOD’s only respect narcissists and psychopaths,. Anything short of that she will crush. She meets her match in the narcissist / psychopath. And those traits usually overlap.
It took me a long, long time to realize what was happening, but sometime in the last several decades, ambitious women began to see themselves as Ladies MacBeth, preferring Beta husbands, about whose gonads they could attach psychological BDSM testicle rings, tethered by psychological chains in their hands. So stay the fuck away from them! It’s not that hard. What pisses me off is that instead of putting notches in your bedpost bagging these harpies, the PUA focused on exploiting the insecurities, the vulnerabilities, of some of the last remnants of white virtue, those good white girls who were still… Read more »
This is a good list, so maybe the temptation to add to it is too much to bear, but I would suggest this: Do manly things. – Get your hands dirty doing something involving intense (for you) manual labor. Work your property, build something, fix something, but get “black-under-the-nails”, Lava soap, sweat-grime, “don’t you come in this house like that” dirty. – If you can, pick up an outdoor sport or athletic pursuit that involves at least some element of risk/danger or physical exertion. Could be a sportsball game, mountain bike, alpine skiing/boarding, trail running, etc. I’m not saying you… Read more »
skydive
blah blah blah
If that’s your thing. I don’t see anything particularly manly about it.
Well “said.” But I’m mystified by that one downvote. “Is a puzzlement!”
This evening, /pol/ was saying that the following shiksa comfort girl was ackshually an officer of the Mossad who serviced Lyndon Baines Johnson in the White House [and she may have also serviced JFK before him]:
Mathilde Galland “Krim”
https://tinyurl.com/ycy656xw
This was the /pol/ thread:
https://tinyurl.com/y7vps2z3
In one of her Wikipedia photographs, she’s staring right past JFK, as though he’s not even there.
JFK looks absolutely clueless.
He’s got deer-in-the-headlights eyes [and he was a world class Chad].
The joy of physically making or repairing or putting up something is certainly one of men’s small but important joys
Now that I’ve listened to all of the podcast, I must say Z that this cast, and last week’s on Orange Man Bad and how he bedevils our betters are two of your best. As Sev might say at his blog, you’ve launched it over the fence these last two weeks. I agreed with many of your points and consider it solid advice for men these days, and for young men coming up. As the old joke says “Common sense, ain’t.” It’s a shame to see what we’ve lost, and what we must regain. Now don’t go all Jordan Peterson… Read more »
I agree. He’s been on a roll.
No worries, my doctor gave me a script for unlimited benzidines. What could go wrong?
Great! Next thing you know you’ll be on the roof of your house ranting about how human society is based on lobsters 🦞 or some such.
Peterson went off the rails a little but he’s not wrong on most things. He had the balls to take on the woke Stazi in Canada, and watching him shred that feminazi man hating bitch on the BBC was a tour de force. Was never a Peterson fanboy, but we need to stop beating down men fighting the good fight because they are human, imperfect and get some things wrong. The manosphere, red pill guys grifters or not have men a lot of useful information on how to interact with women should they choose to, and at a minimum exposing… Read more »
The profound feminization of the past couple generations is mind-boggling. I’m younger than the original manosphere guys, but even I remember when you could count on a man to be where and when he said he’d be and take constructive criticism soberly.
Millennials and Zoomers will now flake on you with flippancy that puts women to shame. And voicing the slightest critique is apt to evoke a weeping fit.
Dealing with 30-year-old men is now like interacting with 50-year-old women.
In amongst the things Z mentioned the idea of “Your word is your bond” is key for a man. You say you’re gonna do X, do X. Or don’t offer to do it. We all know someone who talks big, but never comes through. Don’t be that guy
“All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don’t break them for no one.” – Tony Montana, Scarface
About that Manliness:
Today is yr 249 since Lexington and Concord ….
Yes, it is. And nobody was more a balls-to-the wall, zero-fucks-given manly dude than Samuel Whittemore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Whittemore
Just goes to show what cucks and simps contemporary “conservative” men who lick the boots of the cops really are… they’d all be Loyalists today.
Today’s “men” would have sued in the King’s courts and begged for the right to keep their guns:
“Please, m’lord, I beg of thee for the right to keep my Pennsylvania rifle…”
“Nay, colonial bastard1 Nobody needs an assault rifle but the King’s troops!”
That guy should be better-known.
There is a reason why he isn’t…
Quick thought ref embracing technology. I must admit I resist. I tell others I look to live a 1953 life. Really, I should say a “Pre-Theo Roosevelt / Woodrow Wilson one. (We might have had a chance then, though TR WAS all-in on manliness, he primed the ways for globalism, Taft of the 5-cent cigar, and the metastatic progressivism that rode into govt on Wilson’s back.) But really, I would have missed 20th century aviation, antibiotics and the 1911 … I recall my hyper-liberal stepmother, who hailed from Chicago and Toledo, showing me some three or four decades back a… Read more »
Meh, 1953 Cadillac Eldorado for the win. 👍
I’m in my 50s and haven’t done any of those things….but I do know when WW2 took place.
I’ll take a 55 Chevy 283, 4 speed, and race ya for pinks. 😉
Quick thought ref embracing technology. I must admit I resist. I tell others I look to live a 1953 life. Really, I should say a “Pre-Theo Roosevelt / Woodrow Wilson one. (We might have had a chance then, though TR WAS all-in on manliness, he primed the ways for globalism, Taft of the 5-cent cigar, and the metastatic progressivism that rodeo into govt on Wilson’s back.) But really, I would have missed 20th century aviation, antibiotics and the 1911 … I recall my hyper-liberal stepmother, who hailed from Chicago and Toledo, showing me some three or four decades back a… Read more »
Sorry about the double post … in a hurry dealing with chores and a child, and I got thrown into moderation. Shouldn’t have hit POST again.
I guess this is what happens with a guy who has resisted computers, and other technology, the last 35 yrs …
Times change. *shrug* If it were strictly necessary to do things in the classical vein, young men would be doing them. A good example of what’s necessary today is computers. A massive tidal wave of tech knowledge has washed over the First World. There is a reason for that — information technology is vital, and changing your own tire isn’t. You’ve got to prioritize what you know, and by and large the kids are responding to the right cues. It’s better to be a real-life Elon Musk than a mythical Rocky, training primitive in the woods to beat the Russian… Read more »
“information technology is vital, and changing your own tire isn’t.”
Unless you are stuck on a long stretch of road, with no cell service.
Andrew Tate’s popularity, even among some of our guys is a sign of things gone wrong in our world. He’s a habitul liar. He brags about being outside of normal society. He doesn’t claim to be a guy who makes it in our society, but a guy who can live outside of it. He brags about his criminality. He brags about being a pimp. Brags about a martial arts record he largely created from whole cloth. He pretty much makes up most of his alleged accomplishments. Should it even need mentioning that he’s the son of a mudshark? A man… Read more »
I think it was PT Barnum that said there is a sucker born every minute and you can see it in guys that follow guys who have the gift of gab and not much else…
The popularity of Tate and Fuentes is one of the hardest-to-swallow black pills. Because of Progress™, there’s no need to be circumspect about simping for goofy-looking non-white shitlib homosexuals. The entirety of the mainstream media caters to that taste. What then is “the right” for? Just to *lie*? Parade with your own flag, creeps.
I always thought those guys were controlled opposition.
Because as Captain Capitalism “Aaron Cleary” would say… Women love T Rash. All the PUA, Heartiste, Rollo, Roosh game stuff was strictly reactionary due to how post feminazi women were behaving. And guess what, these guys were mostly right. Feminism “radical” feminism and I I’ve been saying this for years, was the worlds biggest shit test. The men of the time failed “boomers.” Gen X and all the others were forced to wade through the rubble and compensate. The PUA “game” stuff was medicine for relief of symptoms of the disease, “feminism.” But not the cure. As the only cure… Read more »
Sure, but I never put Cappy or Roosh or Heartiste in the same category as Tate. Cappy has a drop out of the rat race message, with his ‘enjoy the decline’ thing. I don’t know who Rolo is or what he pushes.
But Tate is a completely different animal. He’s just a criminal who is going to end up in prison.
Because those guys have more than two brain cells to rub together. Tate doesn’t.
Rollo Tomassi “the rational male. Blog / books. He’s considered one of the 3 R’s godfathers of the manosphere
Roissy / Roosh / Rollo
You know I think to Rooshes credit he took down all sales of his books after he converted.
I remember back when I was into all this manosphere stuff, older people would always just dismiss it as “they just hate women”. Of course I didn’t listen since all the gurus had forewarned me that those beta boomers would try to talk me out of achieving level 9 cockmaxxed body thetans and scoring an HB 10. Years later I look at all those grifters and they all either never actually achieved a sustainable relationship or if they did end up married you can be sure as shit that when wifey wants the dishes washed its “yes dear” and they… Read more »
“that pickup artist stuff actively prevents a real relationship forming because you spend all your time trying to manipulate the woman like a psychopath” I think it’s that, combined with a critical point that none of the PUAs ever grappled with: the ultimate biological purpose of sex. That is, making babies. And then, once the babies are made, being a father in a committed relationship with the mother (I’m assuming for the sake of this thought exercise that the woman is fit to be a mother and not just a, well, slut). I used to read Roosh, and after I… Read more »
“As you say, he later went monk, or whatever he did exactly, sort of swearing off the PUA life. Trying to save his soul, I guess, but I think all he & his ilk proved is that the casual-sex lifestyle is just as damaging to men as it is to women; I think it’s just that the damage takes longer to accumulate for men.” He funneled all that energy into become a Russian Orthodox Christian he could be, when he’s an Armenian. (There are both Armenian Orthodox and Armenian Catholic churches available.) I saw some of his post player writing.… Read more »
You had to be there at the time. When the fallout from collapsed marriages showed up and began telling their stories right at the beginning – most of us were shocked at the uniformity of their tales of woe. Most of us thought our tales were unique, that we’d just drawn a crappy hand in life and we’d played it badly. We didn’t even know what a snowflake was, or a social justice warrior or what a 5th wave feminist was. We were astonished that the female perfidy we saw was unique too. Before long we noticed that the poor… Read more »
Achieving a stable relationship was never the point of the manosphere. Demonstrating the futility of that was the whole idea. So I wouldn’t call it a failure, more that it was just nihilist from the beginning.
Please… Mystery and Tyler both have two kids.
How many of their paypigs have kids?
The explanation for Roosh is simple.
If he really did go through that many women, his neurochemical pair-bonding mechanism is fried.
He didn’t. One axiom of maleness is, when a man tells you how many women he’s banged or how many fights he’s been in, divide that number by six, and then you’re getting warm.
Inverse formula as when a woman lies about her body count only you multiply it by 6.
The fake body count was part of those day game seminar scams. The guru would hire women as actresses and he would “approach” them in front of the marks with his card trick or palm reading nonsense and she’d pretend to be seduced by him.
Aaron Cleary has had a GF as he calls for 15 years, Rollo’s been married 30 plus years. I highly doubt his wife is a mega bitch. He’s constantly around hot women and could be “balls deep” any time he wants to. Whether these guys moved into “grifting” making money off their material does not mean the material “red pill” / “game” stuff they were preaching doesn’t work or is not accurate. All the nuts and bolts theory Rollo pushes is correct. And if you think about the alpha / beta dichotomy, men of earlier generations by and large simply… Read more »
Fine young men, I am GenX and this was part of my youth at one time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyTgCvtVFI
I’m the guy mostly wearing yellow. You should step away from the screen more and think about and experience real life. My late elder friend, Roger Nelson, gave us a skydiving rule which has suited me well in this life generally: RULE #9 – No matter what happens never, ever give up!
Rule #9 Gentlemen.
You know, Nevermind really is brilliant. I saw something on the TV at the gym about Taylor Swift releasing a new album this week. From grunge to that demi-thot? Whether symptom or cause, it’s more evidence that men have completely subordinated themselves in our culture.
Today’s post fired off a lot of neurons in the old brain. Two attributes of being a man especiallly stood out for me. Prudence and Admitting your Mistakes as it concerns two characters from the War Between the States. The first is Abraham Lincoln. Yes, I know he was a railroad lawyer, he trampled on habeas corpus, and I’ve sometimes made a big deal out of being from the South so I’m a little hesitant to write this, but Lincoln IMO exhibited prudence to an exceptional degree. IOW, he manned up. How did he do this? By simply putting his… Read more »
Was it the Lincoln comment, down-voters?
And Zman, let’s have a reality-check here. If following a check-list is all it takes to be a man, then a girl can do it.
For the record, I didn’t vote on your comment but I kind of see your point. I have come to despise the actions of Lincoln, yet I grudgingly acknowledge that he never wavered in his goal of complete victory. Would that we had a leader today similarly committed to unconditional surrender (and a general like Stonewall to serve as the tip of the spear).
I agree. (and I would have stopped there, but I got a message saying my comment was too short, so, I agree, I agree, I agree.)
I down voted your comment because it lacked insight and portrayed a schoolboy surface knowledge of the subject. Lincoln’s war destroyed the spirit of 1776 and the original constitution of 1787. Many of our problems today can be traced back to Lincoln and his Yankee fanatics. Federal power has gone berserk as illustrated by the fire bombing of civilians at Waco to monitoring school board meetings, to arresting grandma loosely associated with the J-6 crowd. Many of these trespasses of rights and laws stem from Lincoln’s revolution. Lincoln was a scumy character who fought the war for money on behalf… Read more »
Brilliant and factual rebuttal, Pecosbill. You beat me to it. Lincoln is by far the worst POTUS ever – more American blood on his hands than all other 45 POTUS combined. The fact that the GOP loves to call itself “the party of Lincoln” tells us everything you need to know about what’s gone wrong in this once great, free country.
Thanks for your time and effort to rebut what I said. I can see you know your subject. I figured I might stir up some bad feelings. But I’ll stand by what I said about Lincoln, I may have been too harsh on Lee however.
Stick to your guns. Sometimes you can have admiration for both sides of a great chasm. That seems preferable to a situation where you can have none for either side, such as normie and woke politics today
At amren 2022 Sam Dixon said “we need a Lincoln instead of a Davis “so you may be on to something
Just dug yourself a deeper hole brother…
@ Moran ya Simba
I intend to stick to my guns. At least on the Lincoln question. I may have been too harsh on Lee however. The author of that book I mentioned may not have said that Lee was a “terrible” general, just that he was over his head. Personally, I always wonder what would have happened if Davis had elevated Forrest, but that would have been too unconventional I guess.
Also, nobody’s questioning the caliber of the Southron rank-and-file soldier compared to the Union soldier. This was Lee’s greatest failure, how many lives he squandered for his victories. It kind of reminds one of Ukraine vs. Russia today.
Three thoughts: 1) This country is a fucking disgrace/crime scene that we should even have these problems of normal men who can’t get dates AND open borders and all the rest. 2) Neil Strauss “The Game” will always be a seminal work for men trying to understand how to solve this problem we all face. Strauss and Mystery and Roissy and Roosh will always be giants in my book. 3) Open Borders for Asian Women ONLY. AFAIK, they are the only ones who aren’t interested in silly dating games and directly hook-up with all the nice white guys who treat… Read more »
fakeemail: Promoting Tiger Mothers, Dragon Ladies, and hapas equals a future for White children – who knew?
it’s a future for supreme gentlemen
If not for the flood of Indians, the children of white nerds and nice Asian girls would be the worst people in North America. They’re *by far* the most extreme of the “woke”/anti-white because they’re the most conformist.
“So when we win, they’ll obey us.”
We didn’t win.
Once you bring the Asian bride over here, and she’s exposed to Paris Hilton, Kardashian trash, slut, feminazi culture, all bets are off. Coupe kids, McMansion, Range Rover and Beemer in the garage, divorce, cash and prizes, back on the cock carousel. Asian bride game is a cope.
The Manosphere is even bigger than before. It has different people and a different platform and different focus, but its huge. Both Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic get interviewed by Piers Morgan. Other outlets include: Overlord DVD (his comic schtick is he’s a comic book VILLAIN who finds Hollywood too evil for him), Midnight’s Edge (run by a former Norwegian hedge fund guy who HATES commies), Culture Casino, a former toy executive (WDW Pro), and Valiant Renegade (sort of a investment analyst / Rush Limbaugh combo). Drinker regularly pulls in more views in a week than stuff on various broadcast networks.… Read more »
Whiskey is also a giant of the OG Manosphere in my book! I will never forget that women hate, hate, HATE betas!
fakeemail — ‘Whiskey is also a giant of the OG Manosphere in my book!’ Concur. Whiskey’s been at it a long time, on many pages and platforms, and he does not give up. His survey of the global powers vs manosphere war is spot-on. Anybody who has been involved with the manosphere for a long time knows it is booming. What Whiskey mentioned just scratches the surface. E.g., Terrence Popp and his engineer Toxic Male produce an outstanding channel, full of help and encouragement for men. Serving and bettering their brothers, not tearing them down. Undead Chronic, MGTOW Monk, Ribby… Read more »
Don’t forget SSM, Strong Successful Male who has 3 channels .
These days PUA is long gone, replaced by MGTOW, Men Go Their Own Way which is a basically red pill + bros b4 hoes writ large
Its heavily celibate with with some “relationship guys” As Whiskey noted it starting to scare the establishment since it means many less babies, lesschild support, alimony, much less economic activity and much less involvement in grnding for anyone’s purpose but their own
Your hero got that from Roissy… Who got it from a long lost mystery dude called “Pook.”
“Women hate Hate HATE betas” has always been attributed to Whiskey. CH himself attributed it to Whiskey, is my recollection. Could be wrong.
Lately, Whiskey’s even been deploying three parentheses.
That was a jaw-dropper.
Only Whiskey can make black-pilling this much fun!
Whiskey — Even with every national — and sometimes global — power and institution operating in force against it, the manosphere still prevailed. With the grifters now largely gone, it is booming in content, and the enemies of free men know it well. I dunno what Z is talking about. When the feds trotted out their Disinformation Office hag, and her only stated intent was to destroy the manosphere, that tells it all right there. D.C. doesn’t fear ‘white supremacists’ and it damn sure doesn’t fear Conservatism Inc. That’s just for the rubes and rubettes. They fear US. You can’t… Read more »
Is it Friday already? Sheesh, we’re all going to be dead soon
I’m old enough to remember when pickup football was played spontaneously on dirt lots and tree lawns, and doing it in the rain was a Godsend because it was more fun than sport. That is how traditional male ethos was sustained in my youth. My sons played organized rugby and it served the same purpose; taught the manly arts via teamwork and competition; combining brute physical and nimble mental labor. Half the US population is male and we tolerate living in a country in which the nominal figurehead of our government shits his pants and can’t speak a coherent sentence.… Read more »
Yes – my Mom bought Sears “Toughskins” jeans because I’d wreck everything else doing that stuff.
I wrecked my Toughskins very quickly. Fortunately for my parents, they were cheap.
21st Century: Williamson-Dickie [aka “Dickies”]. Their loose-fit double-kneed jeans are the only trousers I’ve found with the “rise” [in the crotch] to not strangle Muh Package. Everything else on the market [from underwear to formal wear] is designed to strangle your nads, so that they overheat, and all your Li’l Swimmers die, and you become a genetic dead end. 21st Century underwear is a shockingly surreptitiously effective tool deployed by the depopulationists to destroy fertility rates. Go to the website of any major men’s clothing retailer, and all you’ll see are polyester/nylon banana-boat nut-huggers which overheat the nads and annihilate… Read more »
I’d wear the knees out of my Toughskin jeans and my mother would sew in new patches and give them back to me to wear out further.
Seething is the word. This post hit hard today. I am currently involved, just for a few days, with a project involving several other people. The person leading it, who is putting in way more time than I, is a younger, fat woman (an “Ally” type). I despise her for several reasons, and I know she does not care for me. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than voicing a few choice words to her, for she is often brusque and rude. I know, however, beyond my occasional quip, I can go no further. For those who say otherwise, I… Read more »
Bro.
Bro.
Bro.
She’s begging for The D.
Muh BRO!!!
Give it to her.
Nice & hard.
All you gotta do is slide your hand in her panties and start rubbing that cl!t.
Her cl!t is your very best friend on God’s Green Earth.
All of your time & energy & forethought & creativititty must be consumed with pwning her cl!t.
!!! SHE LIVES TO BE CL!T-R@PED !!!
Her Cl!t is the master key to the entire Palace; it opens the door to all the other orifices.
Beluga Land Whales have needs, just like anorexic (((Victoria’s Secret))) supermodels have needs.
Your job is to give them what they need.
And who knows, that Beluga Land Whale might be able to cook some tasty dinner for ya.
Furthermore, I guaran-d@mn-tee she’ll appreciate that cl!t-massage [she’ll still be reminiscing about it on her deathbed].
I have a wife whom I love. Thanks for the ersatz Andrew Tate, though.
Bro.
Wow !!!
You have a wife at home, and a female boss at work ?!?!?!?!?!?
Allow me to introduce you to this concept, called, “bigamy”.
For. The. Win.
You could always look for something else Brother….Ever think that this whole rotting apparatus keeps stumbling along because of guys like you staying in those positions keeping everything going…If you all walked away then it would all come tumbling down… Withdrawing your consent is one of the most powerful things you can do…
I was not clear. I have a great job and like it a lot. This is a side obligation, once a year or so, for about three extra hours for three days. My job is not the day in day out demoralizing corporate world. And, just this time, I got paired with fatty. I will talk to my bosses, and the pairing will never happen again. I won’t badmouth, just politely request for personal reasons. Just these few days are grinding my gears.
I’ve found that finding things to do outside of work that cancel people like that out works best for me. I like to get the men around me talking about the things they like to do and we all try to one-up each other. It’s good fun and drives the Karen’s up the wall. Actual conversation from the weekly exec meeting: “What’d you guys do over the weekend?” “Ran the Moab Trail Half Marathon. Almost fell off a cliff. Lost four toenails. You?” “Me and my buddies went elk hunting. I got some burgers coming, you want some?” “Did a… Read more »
So, yesterday, apparently my comments to her were spread amongst them men, who quietly discussed their irritation with her; people not there mentioned it. I laughed. I am very careful, nothing being offensive, but pushback. So, I was working with a few other guys on a task later yesterday and she bumbles over and starts asking for something of me while another guy was talking. I looked at her, turned back to him, and said, “I am sorry, can you please continue from where you were when we were interruptrd?” Dead silence. Fatty left without a word. Not 5 minutes… Read more »
Are you a chick or a guy because My bosses adore me should never enter a mans vocabulary?
A guy. Clearly one with a better vocabulary
Maybe… It still was very feminine thing to say..Maybe that’s what office work does to you though…
The Reckoning. Beavis will not be saying, “Boi-oi-oi-oing!” Indeed, the only scoring of 10s that seething, frustrated men will be doing is in the apricot and not the peach. Kno’m sayin’, Vern?
TomA —
Well said. Oops not long enough, well said well said.
My uncle down the street bought the vacant lot next to his house and me, my cousins, and the rest of the neighborhood kids had a perfect field for playing “Kill the Guy” (known as “Smear the Queer” in some parts of the U.S.). In the early days of ESPN they often showed Aussie rules football so we also contrived a version of that to play because it too was a glorious free-for-all of violence and mud.
Smear the Queer–what’s the bet today’s marms allow that to be played on the elementary school playground?
In winter, it was snowball fights. Variation on this theme was a version of war. Divide up into teams, one at each end of the lot. First build a snow fort and stockpile snowballs for the battle. Next was to cut the ends off of large appliance boxes and flex them into a mock tread loop that 2 guys could get inside and crawl forward (our version of a tank). Then the battle would commence and continue until we were too tired to move.
Great memories, great friendship, great fun, and great experience growing up into men.
Gen X, I was made to play contact sports early in elementary school onwards. I boxed and wrestled with better than average records, say 22-7 with some key spikes at state quarter finals. Even on my own volition I played on the #2 ranked rugby team in N. America as starting hooker. Later, and occasionally still, I skydive although I have zero desire to again leap from a local FM radio mast. But it taught me Rule #9 from my good friend Roger Nelson, with whom I once was “family,” NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, NEVER EVER GIVE UP. This annoying… Read more »
Being a “woman of a certain age” I have to say I LOVE MANLY MEN, the kind with calluses on their hands not just from their golf clubs, the kind who might actually have been punched in the face at least once, or have gotten and given a punch or two, the kind whose mothers taught them to hold open doors for women, to protect the women and kids, to be kind to old folks, and to lay down the law when necessary ( it’s a sad fact that we girls will push the envelope right up to the line,… Read more »
Guys, don’t give up, there are women out there that desperately want husbands, just “fish where the fish are”.
Which is why I’ve always pushed for our own White Ethnostate because without it we die out…
A Symbolic Gesture —
Your words would carry more weight were America not a gynocracy that has made it clear for decades that it hates and wishes to exterminate fatherhood, sonship, masculinity, and freedom (for men).
Your ‘keep looking for those great women, they’re out there!’ suggestion wore better fifty years ago. Before women/feminism gleefully took over everything except the manosphere.
Now, your suggestion feels more like additional Lucy Football in Charlie Brown’s front yard.
Until they don’t. This is the problem. No fault divorce destroyed marriage. Without the state or a religion backing up your marriage, you may not really be married. What passes for the Catholic Church will annul any marriage you present to it for annulment.and of course you can always get divorced .
The modern world has got tah go!
I agree, ASG. This 10-point list defines my late husband. He was the quintessential man, and others pale in comparison. I’m old enough to be familiar with loss, but losing him has been the hardest to bear by far. The few young women I know with similar perspectives have something in common – they survived a brutally abusive relationship (battered women, not the peacocking me-too crowd). Hardship and sorrow crafted my appreciation for a real man. If that’s the recipe, then maybe a real man looks for a young woman who has survived true suffering but doesn’t identify as a… Read more »
“… and the kind who make me get a hot shiver watching them fix things around the house. Guys, don’t give up, there are women out there that desperately want husbands.”
Yeah, and then when you get sick of him you can take half his shit in divorce court while you’re fucking someone else. Or falsely accuse him of “domestic violence” and have the cops beat the fuck out of him and take his guns.
Give me your number, babe, I can hardly wait…
I hope you had kids Brother…
I’m Gen X, too. We definitely grew up as the “rub some dirt on it” generation. I remember playing ghost-man baseball from noon until it got too dark to see the baseball coming at your face. Any kind of football was fun, but especially if it was muddy. In October, my brother and I would put on a couple layers of sweatshirts (padding) and play 1:1 football. You hike the ball to yourself and try to run over the other brother. If you made it across the yard in 4 plays, that was a touchdown. Baseball games as a kid… Read more »
A lot of people don’t realize the true social revolution that the Manosphere actually was. I think you would have to had grown up in a truly pozzed shitlib hive as I was to properly appreciate it. In a liberal hive there is no morality, no code, no real rules. Ughhh… the women are nutcases. Their men are cucks and wretches that just want peace and quiet at any cost. I do not cast stones at the Grillers… there but for the grace of God go I. It was a nightmare as a kid and truly hell as an adult.… Read more »
The manosphere did indeed become so big that it became mainstream, yet simultaneously it disappeared as a distinct entity. Most curious.
Like the flu, it’s become endemic, in a good way. It did its job wrecking the status quo, and now it’s a less virulent fact of life. No going back.
Terrance Popp is still out there too. Started listening to him for his hilarious Army stories but he shines a light on how men are treated and how to spot all the signs.
I still watch Popp occasionally too… he’s right about that MGTOW stuff too. It isn’t the answer for everyone… but if you go hard into the boards with a nasty relationship that beats the stuffing out of you… why not? Jump on the motorcycle, go sailing or camping and just take some time to get your head on straight.
I dunno if I could adopt it as a way of life… but as a temporary healing measure…. anything that gives you a reason to keep going is good enough for me…
Before everything, many good points made in this podcast episode. My 2c, the red pill on reddit (and MGTOW) were nuked so they were onto something. One sign they were needed was that I actually learnt about this stuff from a married Trad Catholic friend of mine. These guys are very scrupulous so he had to be in a really bad situation to come to a community that can be so crass about women. There is also married red pill, and dead bedrooms, you can guess the meaning of the last forum. Basically men that are “too perfect” like the… Read more »
My first take on listening the the first 1/3rd of the podcast is as follows — and I could not take any more, sorry host. You KNOW who Roosh is in this space, why say otherwise? It sounds to me like the views of someone that has not successfully raised any sons. I am pretty sure the blog host is around my age, and I have no hard data to know whether that is the case, and for all I know he is the ultimate mentor, father, keeps that to self. For me and mine, two sons now young adults… Read more »
These men where never taught to swing a hammer or fix a car. They spent their formative years in school and probably wasted their time learning nothing being taught by mediocrities at best.
Boys have all this raw material and enthusiasm and they wilt sottomg in classrooms. All that time, and the damn schools don’t teach one practical thing the whole time.
Which is why if you’re not homeschooling your kids then you are doing them a disservice…
Agree x 1000000000
My wife once asked, “How do you know how to do all these things? I think I was doing some electrical wiring in the house. I’d never been asked such a question, so was taken back by this back-handed compliment of sorts. I was at a loss for reply, so I abruptly said, “failure”. I don’t think she understood and I didn’t quite understand the reply myself until I thought about it, but it was an accurate answer in the main. My whole life has been spent in doing things from a basic understanding of first principles, and a foolish… Read more »
“My wife once asked, “How do you know how to do all these things?” No, my experience is MUCH worse since it is my fellow ‘men’ that marvel at basic skills. Sad. They want to know ‘where you learned’ and if I say, ‘worked construction as a kid’ they nod, knowingly, since that lets them off the hook since by dint of fate they did not. If I say, ‘hey retard’ there’s thing thing called youtube…’ Or, ‘we swapped drive trains with a greasy, hard covered Motor manual as our only source as 17 year olds. Since I move through… Read more »
Modern America is also so fake’n’ghey that the “one gay kid” is probably not even a real fag but just an incel looking for any reason to stop trying to deal with the disgusting “women” they meet. When your gays are fake too, you’ve hit maximum possible ghey.
Checking in — I figured I would get a batch of downvotes, aka proof of concept. Good to see more pushback from regulars here, supporting guys like Rollo, etc. IMO the host shits on them, and I may be over the target about why, based on the downvotes. One of my 20-something sons gives copies of The Rationale Male to his friends that need it. Don’t want to self dox with the details so just understand that these guys ended up learning about female nature the hard way, but up to the point were cheerleaders for the ‘blue pill’ life.… Read more »
Teenage missionaries from local churches ring my doorbell every so often. They give me pamphlets, so it’s only fair that give them something in return. I keep a box of books ready next to the door:
For young men, I give them Masculinity Amidst Madness by Ryan Landry and Thriving in Bad Places by James LaFond
For young women, I give them Communities that Abide by Dmitri Orlov
I wanted to give more edgy titles but if it’s too edgy and some higher up finds out, they will just avoid my address on the next pass.
“Gates of Fire” – Steven Pressfield. Just sent it to my 21 yr old son.
Gates of Fire I’m told is required/recommended reading at the military academies. However, historical stickler that I am, it’s a terrible read wrt historical accuracy—of which little is known. Perhaps a good basis for a movie script in the likeness of “300”, but terrible wrt to what we know of the Battle of Thermopylae and the last stand of Leonidas and his body guards.
It’s a book about men living many of the principles in Z’s podcast.
Any Paul Carrell book.
Excellent post and I plan to listen to the podcast later . . . with my husband. Illustrative anecdote: I was describing a meme to him (in a brief break from his work this morning) that I saw at Big Country’s blog. ‘Sounds That Guys Love to Hear.’ So I mentioned the weapon firing, the beer can being popped open, the meat sizzling . . . and my husband – without having seen this meme – automatically knew and said what the last ‘sound’ was with me – and laughed. And said “See, you married a ‘real man.”
The sound of high heels clicking down a tiled hallway will turn every man’s head in utterly Pavlovian fashion.
Oh. I forgot. Everybody has some dam’ electronic device crammed into their ear flaps these days so they won’t hear the high heels.
Ixnay.
Too funny. I figured that’s where it was headed, but went over to BCE to make sure, and about that time, Mrs. Steve walked into my office. So I started reading the meme to her, and by the time I got to the meat sizzling panel, she had stepped between my office chair and my desk, and said she had about an hour to make another sound real men love to hear.
Apropos of nothing, it’s good to be the owner of the company where the Do Not Disturb notifications mean exactly that.
Steve: Lol.
https://modernity.news/2024/04/18/comedian-says-dave-chapelle-was-visited-to-have-his-views-corrected/
Consider the sudden disappearance of the manosphere in that context.
I believe that the “success” of a blog such as this one is dependent on its visibility remaining below a certain threshold, that if it became too popular, it also would be dealt with.
Also vaguely on topic, I save things that clown world throws my way to share with you
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/what-voodoo-dolls-can-teach-us-about-toxic-masculinity/ar-AA1naMjj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=9098df6949924357af0fbfed972501fc&ei=55
Good show! I’d enjoy hearing more of these ‘philosophical’ talks where you explore what life is like.
The media brought the PUA stuff out in the open, intentionally, and counted on that killing it. Mystery even took the bait and did a cheesy dating show on VH1. Of course this lines up perfectly with the Mystery that Strauss wrote about, as he always longed for attention and fame. He was easy pickings. Bringing PUA to the attention of every female and soyboy on Jezebel and Reddit was enough. Of course, this is because it worked. The idea that men could once again take charge of their own life in all aspects, including their relationships with women, is… Read more »
If I recall, Heartiste transitioned (heh) from dating advice to politics sometime around 2015. This may have coincided with his attaining middle age or his interest in Trump.
Anyhow, he was deplatformed on WordPress during his political phase when he began ‘noticing’ things.
Heartiste was an engaging and thoughtful writer. His posts often combined fun with strong-medicine info.
Wasn’t it Lady Rayne that doxxed him? A feminist blogger that he got into it with, IIRC.
My son is 23 and went through much of what Z describes. Made real friends playing sports. Moved on to stuff like kick-boxing and jujitsu to test his limits, Did manual work for the pay, but also for the experience.
Like a lot of kids in his generation, he seemed to instinctively know when teachers were spewing nonsense and reject it. Probably helped having parents who agreed with him.
OT, but cannot resist. I know that zman has a soft corner for the Daily Wire hero 🙂
“Israel’s retaliation was like
@benshapiro
having sex:
Claims to have penetrated but you feel nothing.”
https://twitter.com/DlugajJuly/status/1781271726858395743
It’s true that the blog Chateau Heartiste is gone, along with the pickup artist content, but Heartiste now posts regularly at Gab, “Nillas with Attitude,” @kingofallnads. It’s mostly current events, politics, the nature of men and women and the races, etc. A lot of what we talk about here.
All along he and his types were pointing out the problems with modern women and society in general. Many of them seemed to have matured out of the pick-up game thing to wanting a more traditional life for men and women. Maybe age and experience or recognizing the emptiness just pursuing dumb women?
Note that WardenX2 has moved from Gab over to nicecrew.digital
WX2 is trying to get Heartiste [kingofallnads] to join him @ nicecrew, but so far Heartiste seems to be content with poasting for Torba @ Gab.
[WX2 got furious with Torba concerning the financials of Gab.]
https://gab.com/kingofallnads
https://nicecrew.digital/@WardenX2
Are you sure king of all nads is heartiste? He doesn’t sound the same.
Around the time of the great de-platforming, Heartiste was making the transition from Small Picture [“Game”] to Big Picture [(((The Puppeteers Behind the Curtain)))]. These days, Heartiste is pretty much 110% Big Picture. And he’s been spending an enormous amount of time & energy on perfecting his wordplay. If Donald Trump didn’t have his head 6 gorillion miles up Bibi Netanyahu’s rectum, then Trump would hire Heartiste as his lead speechwriter. ========== Recently, Bobby Jr declined an overture, from Trump, to run as Trump’s vice-president: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4231372/posts The moast recent polling data now has an independent Bobby Jr pulling enough votes… Read more »
Good podcast. Young men need to hear these bits of wisdom.
Sorry, but I can’t resist:
“Be a man, Frank! Be a man!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_xUviDPUOE&t=115s
The man-o-sphere served its purpose of drawing in young men, men who wouldn’t have given a shit about politics otherwise, over to the alt-right to be polarized and used. It was a content mill (FFS, that’s exactly what Return of Kings was) and sales funnel for the political engagement. Then the alt-right served its purpose from 2016 to 2020, when we then get the shift over to the “dissident right,” for more politically-aware but politically jaded audience members (democracy bad! don’t mention I voted for Reagan!) or Musk-approved transhuman-4chan-lite, for the normies (we’re winning for real this time! he’s our… Read more »
Can anyone guess what that’s about?
Dunno, it’ll have a lot of Greek Letters in it though. 😏
I don’t know, but I’m wondering if it’ll have another seventy or so pages describing how he’s not jealous of Jordan Peterson.
Haven’t listened yet but Coach Red Pill (Gonzalo Lira) moved on from manosphere bs to internet journalism. Bad move.
he died in ukrainian prison
Married a Ukrainian woman and got murdered for stating the obvious there. He should have left way before they got their hands on him.
He chose a cause he was prepared to die for.
Collapse of ‘manosphere’? There’s no collapse. If you mean the PUA and related grifters aged-out of their profitable stupidity, ok that’s valid. But the ‘manosphere’ already is PART of American culture, part of the collective Dreaming Mind of the west. It hasn’t collapsed. It just won, expanded from text to vids, and the grift-ticks moved on. Things that start very small take time to percolate on down. And the manosphere started long before Roissy and Mystery and Ted Beale. Assuming that the sad assortment of grifters milking the manosphere the past 15 years represents what’s happening — what’s already happened… Read more »
> I am over 70, in crumbling health, and I have no problem attracting young women where I live. No game, no effort, no relationship counselors, just being myself. Sux to be Mystery I guess.
Nurses at your old folks’ home don’t count.
HAR HAR HAR! 😂👍
But…I’m old, ugly, and ornery and I have seen it too. You’d be astonished at what loneliness and living with cats does to women. They get so lonely and desperate especially as they age. They starve for company… ANY company. They will go dippy around any unattached man they come across.
Hun — Spoken like a third-rate man who — unable to attract women — determines instead to call others who can liars. I live in a remote and wild part of a ‘third world’ country. Have for many years. Obviously, all you have is to dump on others who spark your resentment and inferiority. I will be glad to ask a local friend — a respected fireman with a family who has known me for years — to post here and validate everything I say. And thus to expose you for what you are. Living in snarky resentment is not… Read more »
Ray, I took it in good fun. We all get a bit of fun tossed at us. Another way to look at it is that you’ve been “accepted to the club”.
Yeah, men should be able to take banter. Oh well.
Usually the ones who brag about what they can do and how many women they can get can’t take any sort of banter…
Compsci —
Ok. Thank you for taking time to help me understand.
This kind of kidding is fine between old friends on the golf course. Strangers on the internet, not so much.
I do not accept being called a liar as being in good fun. All we have on the internet is our word. I take truth and manly honor seriously and I demand it in all my friends. Ask them.
Nor do I seek acceptance in this, or any, group. I have a church and these are the men who know me best.
“ Strangers on the internet, not so much.”
Ray, if you’ve been reading and posting here for awhile—and you have—I don’t consider you a stranger. You should not consider us strangers either.
This particular comment community is the best you’re gonna get on the internet (IMHO) and if you bear with us for a while longer, you’ll see pretty much the same personal revelations, stories, and advice that I bet are on par with your “in person” friends.
Bear with us. 😉
Compsci — This isn’t about fraternal banter, and if you examine your conscience, you’ll know it. And the protestations of these dill does that I can’t take a joke is bs, and you know that too. As much as I despise the woke, at least I feel some pity for them because many have been brainwashed from childhood. But with my enemies here, I have no such pity because their accusations and one-way ‘jokes’ are an attack, and they know it, and like a hen pack, deny any such attack ever took place. Man up! I do not sit at… Read more »
Good bye ray, you clearly can’t handle it here. Good luck in the provinces!
“I live in a remote and wild part of a ‘third world’ country”
Wait, you live in the Sierra Nevada foothills? Don’t doxx yourself Ray!
Pozzed —
I will gladly put you in contact with locals in this country.
Just because you’re a wee knee doesn’t mean everybody is.
You forgot to add “bootstraps”. Where’s the ALL CAPS section?
Heh. The crusty Hun strikes again!
“I am over 70, in crumbling health, and I have no problem attracting young women where I live. No game, no effort, no relationship counselors, just being myself. Sux to be Mystery I guess.”
Boomery Boomers are gonna Boom, even well into old age. Out here in the real world it’s just creepy, assuming it’s even true.
Wiffle: “Out here in the real world it’s just creepy, assuming it’s even true.” It can only possibly be creepy if YOUNGER men are not stepping up to the plate and seizing the p00nt@ng which they ought to be seizing as their birthright. For the Record, I have extremely extreme sympathy for younger men of the 2020s and the Klownworld Hellscape which they are trying to navigate without getting their literal nads literally castrated. Also, for any younger men who might stumble upon today’s essay, always remember the immortal words of our dear brother in heaven, Whorefinder [PBUH]: “When in… Read more »
Wiffle Balls —
I guess when the only option is Wiffle Balls like you . . . the women turn to the old doods who still know how.
Man, give it a rest, already. Nobody’s buying your septuagenarian-with-COPD Cassanova routine.
Ostei Kozelski —
I will give it a rest when I am good and ready, karen.
I’ll let you know if I need a wife like you to make my decisions.
Belay that. Not COPD. Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Betcha Ray’s a real cutiepie in those leopard-patterned Depends.
“I am over 70, in crumbling health”
But you repeat yourself.
I concur that there’s really no collapse. I recall finding the manosphere/PUA world right around 2016 myself. I won’t say that it was a breath of fresh air so much as confirmation of what I already knew but lied to myself about. Case in point: I had observed in my dating life that most of the really feminist women were also huge gold-diggers who wanted Mr. Perfect, 6’2 or better, seven figure income, astronaut, Nobel Prize winner, etc… In short, they acted like they wanted to be a trad-wife to some alpha male while maintaining that they “don’t need no… Read more »
Best show you’ve ever done. It should be mandatory listening for all young people. Thanks!
The pickup artist have all disappeared from the internet entirely.
Given the state of young ladies today, you can’t really blame the pickup artists for throwing in the towel.
Given the state of young ladies today, you can’t really blame the pickup artists for throwing in the towel. Two examples from my life: 1) This happened at a Christmas time party within the last three years. The party is hopping and one of my extended family’s sons comes up to me and asks me to show him how to make a Martini for someone who asked him for one. So I get the mixin’s and we start talking as I teach him. This young man had graduated college and was going on to medical school to be an eye… Read more »
I’m blessed that my sons are dating feminine women who dress relatively modestly. One thing I’ve noticed about my teenage sons is their generation aren’t “serial monogamists” as my best friends and I were. My oldest son in college has dated his girlfriend since freshman year, while my next oldest son has been with his since his junior year. I think one of the issues with relationships is that sex is now transactional and the mystery has been bled out of it. I remember when I met my wife in college. She was a Croatian tennis player, blonde, perfect cheek… Read more »
“Our weakness as men is we’ll put up with a lot if she has a pretty face, a nice figure, or a feminine way about her. With this crop seems we’re over that.” Around here you hear, The collapse is the cure, and there’s some strong evidence. A reset of male/female relations. Indifference, a chance not to cuck. I’m of the mind that game was a last-ditch effort to get something out of women. In my experience, at least in my dating pool of educated women, family and domestic happiness were mostly off the table even 20-25 years ago. Starting… Read more »
“ …my local brewery. The staff is barmen/barmaids. …”
I must confess, the sexiest women I’ve met have been gravelly-voiced, experienced, middle aged barmaids in bars and honky tonks. The young ones are cute to look at, but I’m under no illusions about keeping up with them. The older ones, well that’s another story.
I suspect part of the problem is due to the ubiquity of porn. People under thirty have basically been blasted with a firehouse of it since they first got their first screens. It’s not so much that they’re all onanistic, but that they’re insecure because the image presented in porn is that all women are perfectly groomed and beautiful, and all men are acrobats with big packages and tons of stamina. This is fiction, of course, but consuming porn is ultimately demoralizing for this reason. You never feel like you measure up (pun fully intended).
If you like “Enjoy Being a Girl,” you’ll love Steve and Eydie doing “I’m a Girl,. You’re a Boy.” Right at about 1 hour 3.5 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEX-Qo8hYFM
Tell him to get out of the cities into a small to medium sized towns and he will have much better luck with the women…
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The Derb’s old observations about the importance of innuendo and avoidance of explicitness I think explains a lot of “what’s wrong with the kids,” regarding sex. That sex is private—and derives part of its magic/sacredness from that privacy— goes back at least as far as the Greeks, to the idea of Hieros Gamos—congress between the Gods. This is part of what makes porn not just a matter of crudity or bad taste, but literal sacrilege. I’m not a Zoomer, but even as a Millennial can tell you that internet pornography has really hurt a lot of young men. It’s certainly… Read more »
Greatest western ever written.
One of the few books I’ve read that actually brought tears to my eyes.
“…tears to my eyes…”
Interesting. The thought immediately occurred as to how many books and movies of the past do such—not just LD. Why? Because what once was, and was commonly accepted, is no longer.
We are indeed a degenerate society long stripped of decency and integrity. These “glimpses of the past” remind us of such and therefore become even more poignant.
No question about it. A sense of loss can be agonizing. And certain literature and film elicits that very form of grief. Not always pleasant, but unfailingly cathartic.
In relation to that, images, depictions and sensations of profound beauty can also call forth sorrow in this comprehensively hideous epoch. The present cuts a mighty poor figure when compared to the past.
usNthem: I was never a big fan of westerns, but one of my husband’s friends taped the tv airing of Lonesome Dove and mailed the cassettes to him overseas. We then watched them together while dating, and I read the book a bit later. Taught me to better understand and appreciate westerns, and a lot of other things.
Yes, the mini-series did the book great justice – other than a couple of casting errors. Probably Duvall’s greatest character.
Tender Mercies?
Check out the Twilight Zone episode, “Miniature.” You’ll see a rather unexpected side of Duvall.
I think there is nothing less joyful than sex as described and discussed by the “tatted blue-haired sex positive feminist.” Read their articles on “polyamory” that they put out constantly, it’s like putting up drywall. I read an article by some wealthy Park Slope mom who wanted some “excitement” in her life, and what ended up happening was she ended up making a long list of rules to try to manage the bad feelings, jealousy, emptiness, and contradictions that came from it. So you basically have a culture where, on one end, you have men who are consumed and destroyed… Read more »
In turbulent age, only dishonorable tribe gonna survive, men with honor will die out
Death only occurs once, dude. Honor is timeless.
Death Occurs only Once–doubtless the title of the next Bond flick.
You only get a tribe if there’s some code among the members, which unifies them. The deception you see among Orientals is toward outgroups. If you’re disloyal to the ingroup, you get punished, either cast out or killed or mutilated so people can see your disloyalty at a glance (i.e. the Yakuza being forced to sever a finger and present it to their boss as an act of contrition.) The difference between Western people and every other people is Westerners thought these loyalties could be based on ideas themselves, rather than ideas created by certain people. The ideas can work… Read more »
Well, Joey, you own today’s thread, hands down.
It doesn’t matter how we got here. We have to get out.
Tribe Up, Be a Slave/Prisoner, or Die…
Benjamin Franklin complained bitterly about the Germans and Swedes that immigrated to America. Too swarthy, uncivilized, caused trouble, not meant to be a part of that society, etc. As did many others of that time. The world of the Founding Fathers didn’t even last their lifetime. Hell, Anglos of all stripes haven’t been the number one demographic in America since the 1800s. Most white Americans are descended from those Germans who showed up, including virtually all of the Midwest. Then you get the Irish and Mexicans and a few other demographics… And then somewhere down the line is the founding… Read more »
There’s no comparison between Germans and Swedes on the one hand, and Guatemalans and nuggras on the other.
You misunderstood. The world the founders built didn’t even last their lifetime. Their ideals sucked. It didn’t even last the introduction of other groups of whites, let alone anyone else. The only way their world would have survived is if they didn’t let anybody else immigrate over.
@Simba
Bollocks. America, as established, survived to the Civil War, and a reasonable adjunct survived until 2020 at which point America morphed into AINO.
english are still the largest white group;especially if you look at dna results.