Profile & Reality

The great gaslighting operation called the Harris campaign is just the latest in this evolution of the public space away from practical reality toward a virtual reality that operates by a new set of rules. The old public space which was constrained by observable facts and agreed upon ends is giving way to a new public space that is controlled by narratives and characters.

This interview of Mike Cernovich by Tucker Carlson is a good example of how the public space has changed. Ten years ago, people would have roared with laughter at the suggestion that Cerno would warrant national attention. He was nothing more than a weird internet character. Of course, Tucker Carlson was not “Tucker” at the time either and no one imagined such a thing was possible.

The character that is now “Tucker” did not ask “Cernovich” about the many past characters he has played online. There were no questions about when Cerno was playing a transvestite-curious man in Southeast Asia. His time as various types of gurus never came up in the conversation. “Tucker” was happy to interview the character “Cernovich” that exists at this moment.

What we see happening is that people are now going back into Plato’s cave, demanding to be strapped to the rocks, so they can enjoy the life of the shadows, but play some part in creating the shadows. Public life is becoming an interactive fictional drama that is disconnected from tangible reality. It is not just a distraction from the reality of life but supplanting that reality.

That is the show this week. Before you strap in, you may want to double up on the brain oil as there are some big brain topics in the show. The links below are worth the time as the philosopher I reference does a good job explaining his take on this subject. He has coined the term “prolificity”, which I like, but I am not entirely sure if it captures the full nature of what is happening to the West.


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This Week’s Show

Contents

  • Introduction
  • The End Of Authenticity
  • Prolificity (Link) (Link)
  • The Break With Reality
  • Emotivism
  • Symbolism
  • Reality Persists

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Melissa
Melissa
3 months ago

Interesting show. Thanks, Z. There is a family in the town where I live who locked themselves away for nearly two years during covid. Their small children weren’t permitted to go outside. When the husband finally emerged, he was 75 pounds heavier and none the wiser. They had a Biden/Harris sign in their yard and when Biden stepped down, they immediately lobbed off the top half of the sign to remove his name. It’s hilarious to see the ridiculous and shoddy “Harris” sign next to the tranny flag. Maybe all the screens leftists own display Kamala Headroom, cackling away as… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Melissa
3 months ago

The seamless transitions from the Current Thing are simultaneously terrifying and fascinating. People like your neighbors wouldn’t think twice about the need for you and yours to be murdered, and might even be willing to do the deed themselves. It is shocking to realize how many are like them.

Alan Schmidt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

A lady across the block complained to our HOA that she wanted our Pro-life sign taken down, since we were in the corner and she said it it looked like it was the political stance of the entire neighborhood. She, of course, has plenty of shitlib signs on her lawn.

Their minds have been completely wiped clean by the GAE. The only option is to gain power and install new programming.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alan Schmidt
3 months ago

You should put up a Confederate battle flag. Instant miocardial infarction. Shitlib neighbor problem solved.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I saw a clip of Phil Collins on The Tonight Show, from 1985 this morning. At one point they introduced Julian Lennon, sitting in the audience. They put the camera on him and he was wearing a Confederate battle cap. “Can you imagine if that were today?…”

We’ve allowed these mutants to invade not just our lands but our very minute-by-minute existence.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

Sounds like the rare case of an acorn falling very far from the tree.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

In 1985 almost nobody pretended Confederate symbolism was racist (or “about slavery” or whatever). It was normal dude regalia. Pop music had become exceptionally gay and British, and rock guys’ response to that was to become American. The strong form of American is Southern. Tom Petty famously rejected “Boys of Summer,” written by his guitarist, because it was too Depeche Mode to fit on the plantation-themed concept album he was making. Anyway, people are their parents. The Lennons junior are the sons of an angry working-class white man with an outlier IQ, so they’re likely to be “based”—and Sean, his… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hemid
3 months ago

Yes, the Dukes of Hazzard finished up its run the same year Julian appeared with the hat. It was socially acceptable then.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

Confederate iconography was still prominent in professional wrestling during that era, most notably by the original Fabulous Freebirds.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

Were the Fab Birds good guys or heels?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Like most, they were both heels and babyfaces. But they were the biggest villians in wrestling during their 1983-1984 feud with local heroes, the Von Erichs, in the Dallas-based World Class territory. However, in the summer of 1984, they also had an abortive run in the expanding WWF and were assiciated with Cyndi Lauper and her real-life manager and boyfriend Dave Wolff. Does anyone want to ask uber-liberal Cyndi how she could associate herself with the Stars And Bars?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

I used to watch Fritz Von Erich rassle in the first half of the 70s. Matches from the Sportatorium in Dallas were televised across Texas on Friday nights.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

Check out the interview his dad did with Yoko on the Dick Cavett show in May 1972.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Mycale
3 months ago

Yeah, saw that. Lennon was obviously being deliberately transgressive by saying “N!gger” on national television as often as he can. The high-school-tier, adolescent snark is obvious.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Might just as well put up a swastika flag while you’re at it…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
3 months ago

Well, hell. Why not? Maybe you clear out several nests rather than just one.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Xman
3 months ago

Why the downvotes? The shitlibs think the stars and bars and the swastika are basically the same thing, so if you’re gonna display a symbol just to piss them off, might as well go whole hog.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Melissa
3 months ago

I live in a dyed in the wool blue city. Someone in our hood put up a Trump sign in one of the medians and I thought to myself, that won’t last a day. Sure enough, the next morning it was history. The leftards just can’t help themselves…

KGB
KGB
Reply to  usNthem
3 months ago

My office mate lives on a rural, very traditionally conservative road, in a county that voted nearly 70% for Trump. Four years ago he had a Trump sign out on his front yard. One day he received an anonymous letter in the mail to the effect of “Thank you for helping us identify the houses that support the Orange Hitler. We’ve made note.”

Even when they’re a tiny minority, they won’t stop plotting against us. Not for our conversion, mind you, but for our demise.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

I suspect there’s a lot of name- and number-taking on both sides. At least, I hope there is.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

Got forbid if you were to respond to the shitlibs in kind, the Eff-Bee-Eye would be kicking your door at 3 a.m. and shooting your dog and arresting you for “voter intimidation” and “civil rights” violations.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

There’s a guy not far from me, rides bike a lot. In ‘20 he was yelling at people with Trump signs as he rode past. Somebody called the cops, the cops investigated. I heard he was making a map. I don’t think he was arrested, but he stopped. Actually rode around waving and apologizing to people.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 months ago

Actually rode around waving and apologizing to people.

This is the thing about the Left: the melt and curl into the fetal position when countered. The problem with the Right is they historically have waited too long to throw that punch.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Melissa
3 months ago

The person you describe is exactly the type that I cannot and will not co-exist with. They should be rounded up and, well, you know…. Feet first…

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

You don’t have much of a choice. They exist on the conservative side too. They are the type of people who listen to Hanity or Bill O’Reily or Tucker. With Tucker it’s kind of funny because he was much better on Fox News.

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

I agree. They are just as foreign as the invaders.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

Tired Citizen: Problem is, that type massively outnumber us. And by “us” I don’t mean those who like to call themselves dissident right, but still insist on muh democracy or Asian wives or IKAGOs. It’s nice to imagine a society of common sense, self-aware White people who aren’t willing to compromise on genuinely vital things, but that gets you labelled a “purity spiraler” and similar accusations. You either need to learn to live with the stupid, lazy, and lame, or separate from them. My husband knows how to charm these people, while privately venting his spleen at home where I… Read more »

Fakeemail
Fakeemail
Reply to  Melissa
3 months ago

I’m so glad the burdeners are so unburdened and fancy free.

Falcone
Falcone
3 months ago

I thought the plan was to ignore the election, deprive it of our consent, and in turn deprive it of its legitimacy. But instead no one can stop talking about it and around it.

show some better discipline and fight the urge to give into it. It’s like quitting a bad habit, it looks like. But it can be done.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

Reality is that which… well, you know.

The elections won’t go away just because you stop believing in them.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Oh yes they will. Or do you still believe it can’t happen here as kameltoe announces her communist economic plan to reduce prices?

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Hoagie
3 months ago

Whatever you are referring to cannot happen here, at least not at this time. Russia was not the US. China was not the US. Same with all the others. They rose to power in very weak states. That’s the rise. The fall was completely different too.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hoagie
3 months ago

Assuming you are talking about establishment of a dictatorship, they will still have “elections”. It’s not like dictators ever worry about how the “vote” will come out.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

The idea was never to make the election disappear. We can leave that to David Copperfield. But to not take part in it and deprive the system of the voting numbers they need to claim their legitimacy. Get In the vote, not out the vote, iow

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

Nah. Midterms are always low turnout. Special elections even worse. States and counties with odd-year elections are often barely out of single digits.

The things (s)elected by less than 10% of the populace get just as much of a vote as the ones in districts that get out 124% of the electorate.

They laugh at your withholding of “legitimacy”.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

If you can quit sportsball, and most of us have, you can quit the election, and for the exact same reasons: the cultural rot, the lack of legitimate choices, the over-analyzing, the inescapable hype, and most of all the match fixing.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

I find the whole presidential electoral process a massive bore. Even before it became the disgusting carny show it is now, it was duller than watching paint dry. Watching stupid presidential candidates flip pancakes in Iowa and hearing those dry stump speeches makes me want to jump off a bridge.

And it takes far too long. The Iowa caucuses were in January and there’s been nothing but talk about this election.

I’m glad I live in the mountains and can turn the phone off, walk in the woods, work on our land and just unplug.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
3 months ago

When I pay attention to the campaign, I feel distress because I am reminded that at least half the country believes things that seem wildly false to me: that Kamala is smart and accomplished, that our economy and job market are in great shape, and that the border is secure.

It’s like hearing half the country assert with great conviction that the sky is green and the oceans are red. It’s disorienting to the point of nausea.

(I’m glad that I live in the mountains too…)

Last edited 3 months ago by LineInTheSand
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 months ago

Seems like a lot of DRs live in the mountains. Maybe we should call ourselves the mountaineers or highlanders or hilltoppers or suchlike.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I vote Highlanders

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Templar
3 months ago

Your last name wouldn’t be MacGregor, would it? (-;

DaBears
DaBears
Reply to  Templar
3 months ago

Timothy Busfield and Melissa (((Gilbert))) moved boldly to Howell, Michigan, just down to road from Hell, Michigan, in order to convince the town to suicide. I am well-acquainted with Howell, and it is the former temporary HQ of the KKK. Busfield-Gilbert failed uber hard.

Howell are the true Highlanders.

https://www.livingstondaily.com/story/sports/high-school/hockey/2022/12/19/hockey-roundup-brighton-beats-howell-one-night-after-epic-comeback/69740591007/

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
3 months ago

That’s not something Frank Reynolds would do.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
Reply to  Marko
3 months ago

When I see modern movies, I remember Frank’s “dismantlement” of that art gallery.

“Bullshit, derivative.”

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
3 months ago

Ongo Gablogian LOL

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  KGB
3 months ago

Quitting sportsball is easy compared to elections. Sportsball you must tune into in designated time spots or buy tickets to specifically arranged events. Even the news has a 5 minute segment of time to discuss such which you can avoid. Is this the same for politics? Here the airwaves and talking heads regale the audience with the latest from the political front. Entire radio shows are now dedicated to such “discussion”. On television—and radio—ad spots pot up every 7-10 minutes with political pitches. Even on the Internet, any app that makes a dollar by selling your eyeballs, runs political ad’s.… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Use Brave Browser and/or uBlock Origin plugin! I don’t watch TV but I am on the Internet everyday, and I have yet to see a single political ad anywhere.

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3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Mr. Generic
3 months ago

Mr. Generic: Same. I use Brave, and I skim headlines, but don’t actually ‘read’ any blogs other than Zman and a few others. I don’t watch TV or listen to the radio or see movies or read the paper. I don’t talk politics with anyone (other than my husband with whom I discuss everything). No political ads, and no yard signs.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

True. And as Z has pointed out, this is the inevitable outcome of democracy wherein political participation is considered a moral duty, even for those who are stupid, mad, juvenile or just plain uninterested. Having said that, while we cannot eliminate our exposure to politics any more than we can eliminate exposure to the lumpenkultur, we can limit it by simply avoiding digital media and screens of all sorts. This is how I deflect most of the kultur.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

The problem is that ignoring it all does not make the commissars leave you alone. It just breeds more of them, all clamoring for your stuff.

It’s not that it’s become some moral duty, but rather a formalized process of plunder. Voting becomes a rational act, as you are voting your tribe a greater share of the plunder.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

I know it doesn’t force them to leave us alone. That is not the point. Maintaining our sanity is, and the best vaccine against Leftophrenia is not giving them access to your mind.

And voting is a mug’s game.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Ostei: Succinctly well said.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Maintaining sanity is fairly easy if you are sufficiently cynical.

Yeah, I swore off voting in ’86, only to give it one more chance in ’92 to put Jesse Ventura in as Minnesota’s governor.

Paraphrasing Fred Reed, vote for the most absurd candidate to maximize the humor. I might be tempted to go back to the polls to elect Alex Jones. Probably not for anything less.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Well, they don’t come much more absurd than Cackula.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I fear you underestimate her. No one talked about her laugh until she got installed as VP. Then that came from MSM, not Breitbart. My hypothesis — to distract you from noticing the radical politics. So long as you focus on the absurd, you will never see the danger until its too late.

I don’t believe she has ever lost an election. Twice as SF DA, twice as CA AG, once as US Senate, then VP. (She dropped out before the first primary in 2020.)

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

How’s the Second Am3ndm3nt situation at your house?

How many th0us@nds of r0unds of ammμn!t!on have you squirreled away, in anticipation of a rainy day visit from the neo-Trotskyites?

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Bro, I was simply trying to speak honestly without invoking any of the Deep State Spider filters regarding Truth Speak. You can either deploy intelligible gibberish, or you can have a visit from the EFF BEE EYE. Or you can just sit there and keep writing the same God-damned regime-approved essay for the next decade, and finally wake up one morning to discover that all of your sons have been castrated, your daughters have been spayed, and you’re fambly is now extinct. We either speak truthfully about the necessity of invoking the 2nd Amendment, or we might as well commit… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Luckily I don’t live in a toss-up state. Living in one of those would be hell to politics avoiders. If you’re going to live in a cabin in the woods, do it in blue New York or red Idaho.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Compsci: “Quitting sportsball is easy compared to elections.“ A day or two ago, I was scrolling through Z’s “Baseball” thread, and my jaw dropped when I noticed that the Cleveland Indians are now the Cleveland “Guardians”. I’m so happy to be oblivious to all that Normie nonsense. God bless their little Normie hearts, but Talmudvision must be more real to the Normies than is reality itself. That’s all I can figure; that the Frankfurt School & the Council of the Sanhedrin have so perfectly perfected the recipes for mesmerization & hypnotization of the goyim that the entire charade is getting… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by Bourbon
Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

Yeah, wish he’d do something else for variety sake (like something of material petsonal interest) once in awhile. The blog too, for that matter.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
3 months ago

Credit where it’s due, his article yesterday was on baseball. But yes, the more variety, the better. More on cultural matters and personal experience, less on political theory and Ukraine would be a good gameplan.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

The thing that prevents me from being all in on this line of thinking is this: what happens if Giggles gets in and demands we all turn over our self defense tools?

Mikew
Mikew
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

If the crazy hoe makes people turn in tbeir guns then people here will still say “but,but, Trump banned bump stocks so both candidates are the same”

Let’s face it- the “voting doesn’t matter” mantra is a big cope. A huge pile of copium. It’s people dealing with a potential loss by saying it doesn’t matter anyway

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

Giggles doesn’t matter a dam’. It’s the Power Structure. And if the PS resolves upon a gun grab, that is what’ll happen.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I disagree Ostei.

I think that it is less likely that there will be a gun grab if Trump is elected. Any other Republican, yes. Trump, no.

We do have a two party system, but not configured as once they were.

Republican + Democrat = Uniparty.

MAGA = Populist Party

The new two party system is composed of the Uniparty and the MAGA Party.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

I wish that were the case, but I’m afraid the cost of Trump becoming prez again, or perhaps for just not being assassinated, is him being compromised into the Power Structure. Sure, he may campaign as if he’s the same old MAGAman, but it’ll be merely an artifice to grease the skids that lead to the Anti-White House.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Agreed. But it really is the same old heads you win, tails you lose reality. I certainly don’t think the Regime will intervene of Trump’s behalf, to be clear, but it may stay neutral if the outcome doesn’t matter, which is what I think. The real question is if leftists/Democrats blatantly cheat as emergent behavior and it is too obvious to deny. That’s when things get real.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

I have always said that once you teach the foot soldiers how to fortify an election, you can’t just turn that off

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

Indeed. Case in point: the Chinese Communist Party had to shoot dead the largely female deadenders of the Cultural Revolution. Our Regime is just as vicious and it really is a possibility they have unleashed a problem population that will require a similar approach.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Just to be clear here, Ostei. Do you agree that on this singular issue, gun control, that Trump will perpetuate that right longer than Harris. If that is true then T gets my vote.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

I believe he probably would if he could. I think Trump’s heart is much better than Kamaltoe’s. I just don’t think it matters because the Power Structure has him by the balls.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

Other than the specter of m@ndatory v@xxines, the 2nd Am3ndm3nt is the only issue which matters anymoar.

Our Anti-Federalist ancestors bequeathed to us the 2nd Am3ndm3nt precisely for the purpose of obl!terating the m@ndatory v@xxinators & v@xxinatresses.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

So MAGAtards will save you? Provide a future for White children? When almost all of them celebrate every black/brown/yellow endorsement of their God Emperor?

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  3g4me
3 months ago

Don’t put words in my mouth, 3g4me. I didn’t say that I expect MAGAtards to save me, did I?

What I asked was whether one candidate or another was more likely to allow me to defend myself and my family.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Rather than “grab” guns I believe they are just moving to make guns obsolete. Or at least obsolescent. For any other activities besides negros shooting negros or licensed regulated hunting.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

Pretty much already have. Have you priced out lead lately? In truckload quantities, its more than a buck a pound. That’s under 30 rounds of ACP per buck, not counting tin or whatever you alloy with.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

Blue states aren’t “grabbing” guns, they’re banning the sale of stuff they don’t want you to have and forcing existing owners to register them if they want to keep them without incurring felony charges.

The strategy is that in one generation when the existing owners die off, the state takes the guns from the estate and nobody will ever be able to possess them again.

You know what? It’s working, and the courts haven’t stopped them.

I’ve seen people charged with felonies for having unregistered stuff with my own eyes. It’s no joke.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
3 months ago

Yet another reason to not live in a Blue Hell.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

The problem is that the transition to one-party Blue states has been very quick. New York and California had Republican governors until 2006. New York had a Republican Senate until 2008. Illinois, Colorado, Maryland, New Jersey and even Massachusetts were all in play 15-20 years ago.

Conversely you could live in Mississippi, which has been solidly Republican for 30+ years, but the state population is 1/3 black.

Shitlibs have captured the institutions everywhere. Look at Austin. Not exactly the “Texas” of lore.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
3 months ago

Yes, they’ve captured the instutions in Texas, just the same as in California. But the difference is in the hinterlands. For the time being, nobody’s going to the hoosegow for owning an unregistered piece in West Texas. I might not want to run that risk in New Jersey.

PS–Texans do not consider Austin to be a part of Texas. Rather, it’s seen as a metastatic tumor from California that most of us would dearly love to treat with the most radical form of chemo…

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Ostei, my impressions of West Texas, just from trips through it, are quite positive. An underappreciated part of the country. Flat land is underrated.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

Thanks, JZ. Lived here 50 of my 57 years and have no great urge to leave. The landscape, as you say, is flat, albeit with fairly dramatic canyons appearing in spots. The flatness, however, makes possible incredible skyscapes. There’s not much more impressive in my book, than a massive wall of thunderheads rolling in from the New Mexico state line. And the resulting rain is always celebrated with fervent intensity. PS–All of West Texas, is not flat, however. The trans-Pecos area (largely devoid of trannies) contains Texas’ only real mountains, a few of which approach 9K feet of elevation. It’s… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

“nobody’s going to the hoosegow for owning an unregistered piece in West Texas” If it’s a Class III NFA item they sure as hell will. That’s the thing about gun control, Red state people sneer at the Blue staters, but then they stand in line and pay hundreds of dollars to say “Mother, may I?” to the ATF to get a can, an SBR, or an auto-sear. And they fill out their 4473s and do their NICS checks just the same as anywhere else. The principle is the same everywhere: government calls the shots. You don’t have any “rights,” you… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

That will be an interesting test of the *true* strength of the self defense movement. From what we’ve seen in other countries, the populace has complied.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

Totally unnecessary. Many replies to you here already assert why. Door kickers going around at great peril to themselves attempting confiscation is a brainlet tier approach and totally pointless. It is FUDs that are really distressed about this mainly and they are of a stripe with the “collapse any day now” crowd. It is half wishful thinking and half fear. Reality is what others have posited- Ammo tax so exorbitant no one can afford to feed their iron. Regulations and rules that slowly squeeze at 2A in a lawfare way making inroads into purple states which is easy to do… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 months ago

No one is going to use their guns to fight the government like 1775. There might be a few willing to take out a door-kicker or two in what will amount to an act of suicide, but that’s it.

Nonetheless, guns are still 100% necessary to have to defend your home and your people when the ferals go apeshit and start looting, burning it down and trying to kill you and the cops have long since disappeared.

LA, Katrina and the Summer of Floyd indicate that this is not a merely speculative concern.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 months ago

Apex: The process is the punishment, with guns as with any other badthink. The puppetmasters are not wise, but they are quite wily and skilled at manipulating Joe Q Normal and pushing his oh-so-obvious buttons.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 months ago

All good points, Apex.

Having a firearm is a form of term life insurance, with the term of that policy being longer or shorter depending on who wins in November. I prefer a longer term and I think Trump may give us that.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 months ago

Mass gun ownership probably drives up the price of uniformed goons and lowers the quality of the blue thugs. The great majority of owners pose no actual threat and are compulsive badge lickers, but the odd ducks, some literally insane, are always a possibility. It is a good bet that most guntards would surrender their weapons in a nanosecond if a “law” passed, but then the holdouts would be only those who would actually use them, and as a direct result the pigs would be even more prone to murder people in cold blood if a gun was thought present.… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

I’m all in for having firearms, of course, but in reality, they’ve already “grabbed” the guns. Sure, you might be able to defend a loved one, or even yourself… Once. If you have to shoot a feral negro, no matter what he was doing to you or your loved one, your life is over. You will be bankrupted and sent to prison for the rest of your life. So in essence, they don’t need to take the guns, they just need to make it a similar outcome whether you use it or not.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

Until they can snuff the 2A, this is their plan: you can have all the guns you like, but if you use one in self-defense then you will go to prison.

Second Amendment preserved!

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

There is a saying going around these here parts, FAFO & SSS.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

“If you have to shoot a feral negro, no matter what he was doing to you or your loved one, your life is over.”

On the street, maybe. But the Castle Doctrine is strong enough even in Blue states that if he enters your house, it’s Game Over for him and you get no-billed.

The catch is that you can still get jammed up for a justifiable shoot if you do it with an “illegal” weapon.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  WCiv911
3 months ago

WCiv911: Giggles WILL be installed and eventually you WILL be required to turn in -not just your ‘self defense tools,’- but your extra flashlight, food, and any/all banned books. Voting will not stop any of this. The only way to ‘save’ Western Civilization is to ‘save’ White people. And once again, voting will not save you.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  3g4me
3 months ago

Then there is no hope. More than half the white population would sell you out for a song already. How many more would do so for a scrap of bread if he was hungry?

Until you accept that most whites cannot be saved and are not worth saving, you are tilting at windmills.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Steve: I long ago accepted that most Whites cannot be saved. I’ve never entertained any fantasies about the average individual’s IQ or common sense or courage. I’m merely pointing out that those who think voting will buy them time are, imho, also tilting at windmills.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  3g4me
3 months ago

3g4me, did you see the article about how the Secret Service grabbed the corpse of Trump’s assassin, had it cremated into dust, and wiped clean all DNA evidence from the scene of the crime?

The Secret Service, in thrall to the Deep State, is re-writing history before our very eyes.

This is sheer Trotskyism.

And Trotskyism can’t be defeated by running away and hiding in the woods.

Trotskyism can only be defeated when every last Trotskyite is hμnted down and k!11ed.

And that starts with the obliteration of the Praetorian Guard:

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Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Bourbon
3 months ago

EDIT: “Secret Service” should have been “EFF BEE EYE”.

It was the EFF BEE EYE which cremated the corpse and wiped clean all the DNA.

And we simply cannot live as free men so long as we are bowing in cowardice before Praetorian entities such as the EFF BEE EYE.

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

It seemed, here at least, the election served as a useful metaphor for what is unfolding societally. It didn’t strike me as about the election per se.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

Correct. Electoral politics is the spearpoint of the deranged carny act. Everything idiotic and diseased about AINO can be espied in the candidates and the campaigning. But this is an argument for abstention, not participation.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Falcone
3 months ago

I would agree with you – we’re not voting our way out of this – but for 2 things: Trump getting shot, and his picking JD Vance as his running mate. This could very well be the very last meaningful election, and certainly the last one with a personality the size of Trump. That gets all kinds of tongues wagging, even those on our side who would ignore the circus. I think the Dems did a good move by making Harris-Walz all sparkles and dreams and then painting Trump-Vance as gloomy and weird. Harris should have been easily beatable on… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
3 months ago

My only area of disagreement with the podcast is that I think that it is slightly unfair to the French court prior to July 1789. Louis XVI was quite aware of the problems France faced and was trying to make reforms, but was blocked time and time again by aristocrats jealous of their own prerogatives. And the “French Revolution” was not a peasant uprising, but more a coup d’état by the bougeoisie, who lost control of the leadership during the Terror. Many of the stories of how disconnected the French court was from reality were created or exaggerated by later… Read more »

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
3 months ago

During my honeymoon in Paris, I went to the Conciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was imprisoned for her last days. Among all the propaganda about the French Revolution, there is a computer system where you can find the names of people killed by the revolution, only because they liked the King or they were Catholic. Lots of lots of people, but it’s OK because they were killed to achieve freedom, whatever this is. The handful of people killed by the Monarchy completely intolerable, even if they were real criminals. In addition, there is a marble block with relief-carved letters with the last… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  imnobody00
3 months ago

There is a school of historiography on the French Revolution, spearheaded by the late great Francois Furet, that is highly critical of the revolution. They were in the ascendant in the 90s. Not sure if they still are.

joey jünger
joey jünger
3 months ago

If we have to touch on generational politics (and sometimes we do), it’s probably worth mentioning that the “avatar-like” quality of the profiles you’re talking about is very much a Zoomer thing, not a Boomer thing. As a millennial, I was part of the last generation that knew meatspace as well as cyberspace. We even used to joke that you had to be careful about talking crap online, as the person you pissed off might have some IT skill, show up at your door and beat you down. For the Fuentes crowd, there is no door, or rather, the person… Read more »

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  joey jünger
3 months ago

Why do you think the border would be significantly different under Trump?
Why do you think AA would be better under Trump given his silicone valley greencard statements and the carry-on at the RNC?
Why is wanting the Trump campaign to run on a platform closer to 2016 a bad thing?

Mikew
Mikew
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Population-Grew-51-Million

The average foreign born population increase under Trump was 42000/ month. The average under Biden has been 174,000 /month. How is that not Trump being significantly better on the border?

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Mikew
3 months ago

Like everything else in Trump’s presidency, that number is distorted by 2020. He was able to use “emergency” powers to shut down the border. Before that border crossings were in line with prior presidents and even exceeded them. The NGOs like HIAS revved up the caravans and the media concocted the “kids in cages” lines. That’s not to say that Trump didn’t have the will to do better, but like so many other things, he couldn’t get it done.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

Trump successfully halted the illegals through executive orders and arm twisting other countries to enforce their borders. He may be able to do so again. Who knows. That illegal migration is only part of the problem means we still will increase foreign born in this country somewhere around1.5M a year.

The real point, and that’s not certain, is that the migrants allowed in are vetted and of a contributory nature to the country. Sub normal IQ dirt scrapers now rushing the border are of no use.

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Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

as far as im concerned, immigration isn’t worth discussing anymore. The damage is done and there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. You could seal off every point of entry with the world’s tallest gates preventing a single brown from entering and the country can’t be fixed. It’s already been ruined. This is the same thing as discussing removing women from politics. Never in a million years is that happening, and neither is fixing the demographics. Prepare accordingly to be a minority and to be persecuted. Make a plan to move somewhere remote where there are others… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

If our situation is so hopeless, then why don’t you just go ahead and stick a loaded gμn in your mouth and pull trigger?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tired Citizen
3 months ago

It’s a Hobson’s choice. Much the same is said to me as you do. My thinking is as always, better to have vetted and self sustaining “immigrants” than just any old potentially criminal, vagabond. Best is a freeze on all immigration.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  joey jünger
3 months ago

““avatar-like” quality of the profiles you’re talking about is very much a Zoomer thing, not a Boomer thing.” I politely disagree. We’ve all been talking in avatars for a long time. Ronald Regan and Trump anyone? Is TV real, in the way much of Boomers and older Gen X treat it? What’s different about the internet era is the ability to look up backstories to an extent. We can see that they avatars and that make it look different. The movie “Avatar” didn’t show a split screen with somebody hooked up to a computer or what not while the action… Read more »

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  joey jünger
3 months ago

Ramz has taken a strong pro-GOP turn this year while claiming the GOP has come around to the policies he’s supported for years. His shilling went from Desantis to Vivek to Vance and recently he’s had a major stick up his ass in regards to NJF. Seems like Ramz’s trying to ingratiate himself to Tucker and that entire network. Interestingly, Tucker recently alluded to Nick being a fed, but of course couldn’t actually say his name. I wonder why. Nick is the only one trying to push Trump in the right direction, but has been universally castigated by the right… Read more »

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  joey jünger
3 months ago

“We even used to joke that you had to be careful about talking crap online, as the person you pissed off might have some IT skill, show up at your door and beat you down.” When I started, there was little to nothing that resembled what’s now called the Internet. However, early attempts that resulted in what we now see, were just beginning and spreading from systems nerds, to students/faculty in the department and classes in IT. The Department Head was prescient and immediately issued guidelines for use of this new media. One of the “rules” was everybody used their… Read more »

Alan Schmidt
3 months ago

In Medieval times, monks who only wanted to live in the woods would be made Bishops and Popes against their objections. A lot of times, not wanting to take leadership roles proved you had the humility to be a good leader.

Biden tried this with his “I wanted to retire but Charlottesville forced me to reenter the ring.” Nonsense of course, but there’s still that urge to create the reluctant hero backstory in modern times.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alan Schmidt
3 months ago

If you’re the Alan Schmidt who wrote “Calvin vs. Susie” that I read a bit ago and shared with my husband, Bravo. Brilliantly written, and unutterably sad. I don’t see any ‘fix’ other than a major crash and many years of awful, miserable times.

Member
3 months ago

I think the manufactured illusion of Leftist unity around Quasi-President Quadroon is going to have a very short life. The pro-Palestinian faction is bound and determined to do some street action in Chicago, which will cause the pro-Bagel faction to demand retaliation, along with the Robber Baron faction, the Apparat faction and the Spiteful Mutant faction all rapidly remembering how much they hate Harris and each other.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Pickle Rick
3 months ago

Yeah, we’ve seen some indication here and there of that already happening. The retarded economic pronouncements appear to be emergent behavior yet probably make the Robber Barons a little concerned (a good thing in and of itself even though they never will happen short of a violent, no-shit leftist revolution). The DNC will be locked down tighter than a drum but, yeah, there will be some on the floor who let their Pali freak flags fly even then. It will be interesting to see if they can get past the “media” cordon sanitaire. I think you are correct in the… Read more »

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
3 months ago

Well I hope you are right PR. Like Z I am amazed that all these retarded fictions are actually flying at this point. Biden has dropped right off the radar despite his massive involvement in corruption, incompetence and the doings of his harelipped retard of a son. It makes me wonder how big of an object that can be made to disappear. I remember the magicians years ago competing similarly: one made a 747 jet liner disappear, and another made the statue of liberty disappear later in a game of one-upmanship. I bet these guys could make them look like… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
3 months ago

Just a funny aside, but I was doing some business networking yesterday. I met this Jewish guy in his 30’s. He was telling me how he went to college at Alabama and always gets asked if people really do hate Jews down there. That got me off on the tangent of sharing some of the quirks of history I know about, such as how the KKK didn’t really have a problem with their local Jews. It was the carpetbaggers from the north, who were predominantly Jewish, that they despised. I was razzing him a little bit about how whether his… Read more »

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Vinnyvette
Vinnyvette
3 months ago

Never took Cernovich seriously or anyone who re tweeted hisbullshit. From manosphere wanna be grifter to political wanna be grifter. Just another grifter.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Vinnyvette
3 months ago

I don’t take anybody on the internet seriously, really. I just follow if they have something interesting to say. Cernovich was interesting enough at first, but he couldn’t hold my attention long.

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 months ago

Harris is the candidate of Pelosi and Obama. That’s it. That is her base. She won not a single delegate. Its just being handed to her. That might have worked in 2008, or 2000. But that was years ago. Now her candidacy is for wage and price controls. That is going to unite BigCorp against her, as they understand that they will have to be in an endless bribery race with shadowy people they cannot even identify (it is clear that like Biden, Kamala will not really be the President if she wins which is a feature not a bug… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Whiskey
3 months ago

If we could find some other hegemon to subsidize us, the way the GAE subsidizes Europe and their price controls, then we could have successful price controls here too. China?

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

China?

Be careful what you wish for.

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RealityRules
RealityRules
3 months ago

I overcame oppression therefore I am heroic. This is just vanity. Lying in order to declare yourself a hero, and people lap it up. It is the latter part of this that is more contemptible than the former. Harpo the Great! So Harpo is a hero, and Men who got in ships, sailed off into the total unknown on vast dangerous oceans, charted courses, water and wind currents, tides, the movement of heavenly bodies are evil. (Columbus, Drake, Magellan, deGama … … …) Take out all the fancy analysis and philosophy and that is the bottom line. As for Profilicity… Read more »

Nikolai Vladivostok
3 months ago

Will listen tonight.
I’m glad to see there’ll be shade cast on some right wing characters. I’m often annoyed by the tribalism, stupidity and unrealistic shibboleths of our side. Being right wing doesn’t make one clever and adopting what one takes to be the dissident right world view is not a replacement for thought. The number of grifters on each side is about equal.

Son
Son
3 months ago

Cerno, Beale, and that whole alt-right network have got to be a weird ass psyop. Tucker’s dad was the Voice of the People (propaganda arm of the U.S. govt) and you’re probably aware he went out for the CIA. I also don’t believe the Cerno/Dersh cover story about how they don’t know each other…Dersh just ended up in Cerno’s lame documentary and then both going after Epstein documents in a way suggesting it was about the victims’ info, if I recall. What I don’t understand is why they give him any air time. His character is a queer mix of… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Son
3 months ago

Heh, Putin even chided Tucker for his application to the CIA during their interview.

Xman
Xman
3 months ago

The problem of Plato’s cave is something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. The fact is that people DO have the ability to live in an artificial reality based on shadow-myths for a LONG time. Yes, ultimately reality will bring the whole thing crashing down, but the myths can go on for centuries until it does. Imagine yourself as a pre-Columbian Aztec, sitting around with your buddies and saying one day “Ya know, I got my doubts about the sacrifice thing. We sacrificed a thousand dudes to the sun god last year and the maize crop was worse this… Read more »

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Xman
3 months ago

And Cortez replaced it with a bullshit myth of his own, namely that instead of taking an obsidian knife and hacking the heart out of a living person, a guy in robes chanting in Latin would perform the miracle of making wine into the actual blood of Christ, which you would drink to save your soul. Did that make you a vampire, then? Better to not ask.

Go back to Reddit.

Baltbuc
Baltbuc
3 months ago

I agree eith all this. But I don’t put Keith Woods in the same category as Cernovich, Spencer, Fuentes.

Woods isn’t deliberately developing a persona. His credentials are lifting boxes in a warehouse? He’s young? He’s not an expert? That’s a feature, not a bug. Ruling Class doesn’t want a 25 year old ex-warehouse guy to have a voice. If he makes sense and is fighting, I listen. I dont care if hes 27 or whatever. I am 57.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
3 months ago

With regard to “The One We All Waited For”, it always amazed and amused me that not one swingin dick has ever come forward to relate a story about their time in one of his Constitutionsl Law classes.

Another fake and gay representation I suppose.

tashtego
Member
3 months ago

Business idea, create LLM AI driven android congressmen menagerie centrally controlled and driven by bidding process for various lobbies. It could be cheaper than buying off current semi-human models for the buyers of policy and more directly lucrative and easier to manage for the sellers. Today’s tech with all its flaws is certainly good enough as the public will to be deceived and accept the absurd has been demonstrated to be very high indeed as shown by Glitchin’ Mitch and Dementia Joe.

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flashing red
flashing red
Reply to  tashtego
3 months ago

Yes-that! I bid 14 Quatloos for that one!

Filthie
Filthie
Member
3 months ago

I’m interested in YOUR projections, Z.

Cornelius Rye (whose reputation for honesty and integrity is beyond dispute) – claims that you are actually black and jewish. Care to comment and set the record straight for clamoring mob?

That was a good show – hope all you guys have something fun lined up for the weekend.

TempoNick
TempoNick
3 months ago

“Cerno would warrant national attention. He was nothing more than a weird internet character.”

A weird internet character who was coaching all kinds of misfits on how to pick up women and himself once had sex with a tranny. (But he was ridiculed for this and tried to scrub the post.) His family runs a junkyard in Kewanee, Illinois, so I always assumed he was Jewish, but I think he might be a from a Serbian or Croatian background.

https://www.mapquest.com/us/illinois/cernovichs-auto-truck-7857032

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 months ago

Yep, unlike our esteemed blog host, who is a critical modern thinker – that whole pack of goofs are failed performance artists. Richard Spencer, Vox Day, Milo… they play well to the incels, cellar dwellers, and confused kids… but so do Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapro, Matt Walsh and the other cucks and controlled clowns.

I hate seeing Tucker fall into that. I’d like to think he could actually be a good voice for our cause but money is money and he has to do what he has to do too I guess.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Filthie
3 months ago

Do you know if he’s still married to that Iranian girl? When he was parading her around the internet, I was thinking to myself, “That’s got fail written all over it.”

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 months ago

Yeah I remember that. I kinda sorta followed him for awhile when he claimed to have broken that story when Blumpf’s Goons supposedly assaulted a female reporter. Cerno or someone caught the incident on tape, where a body guard gently brushed her out of the way and the media was stunned to learn that there were other cameras besides theirs at these events, and the attempted narrative failed. I gave up when he started orbiting the clowns that undermined the old Alt Right movement…

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Filthie
3 months ago

Yep, that may have been the starting point where I stopped following him as well. His RINO instincts started showing. Or who knows, maybe somebody bought him off. Give one of these guys enough money and they’ll support whoever you tell them to.

Hokkoda
Member
3 months ago

Excellent podcast. I agree, the problem with the gaslighting is that it is inversely proportional to the quality of the product. Meaning, the more heavily hyped a product, the worse it usually is. This happens especially with products everyone hears about, BUT NOBODY THEY KNOW ACTUALLY HAS ONE. The beauty of the insane levels of media coordination is that consumers (ie voters) intuitively understand this concept, even if they cannot articulate it. The Harris hype will snag some early adopters. But the early adopters exist to shake the bugs out of an expensive product, but they can also quickly destroy… Read more »

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Hemid
Hemid
3 months ago

You sound like you’d look like Donald Barthelme, the only author whose books I’ve read enough times to physically destroy them (two copies of my favorites). So I assume you don’t look like that. But the vague man in my head when I listen to the podcast is pretty much him. He’s a good representative of how, bad as it always was, “media” has fallen over our lifetime. He was the New Yorker’s house short fiction writer, so probably the world’s most popular one—and he was the best one, literarily, the most interesting and innovative, the least likely to produce… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Of that there’s no disputin’…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Sure hope not. That would be nasty. He’s been dead for more than a century.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 months ago

Brilliant, man. I don’t think Harris will win outright, but of course she could “win.” No one mentions it but even amid the ferocious propaganda campaign she has never been ahead, to the extent anything can be believed, for a nanosecond in the Electoral College. That may be claimed during or in the immediate aftermath of the DNC and likely will be, but so far it has not been so the topic has been largely avoided. I’ve tended to think of late the Regime actually might accept a Trump win albeit for purposes that may be alarming. For example, Trump… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

“AI…it causes everything to be doubted and assumed to be fraudulent,…” There’s that bubble again. Everything you said is true, but the implicit assumption underlying your insight may not be. That is to say, everyone may not retain the doubt for AI that you rightly have. I’d say the danger is really in that, the gullibility (ignorance) of the public. Or perhaps simply the assumption of “critical thinking” on the part of otherwise decent Americans. Unz about a month ago had a good write up on ChatGPT. Seems you can buy/subscribe/license and get the ability to use their (Alphabet) software… Read more »

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Thanks, Compsci. That is among the best replies I’ve ever had to a comment and one that certainly made me reconsider and reject my premises. I think, maybe wrongly, you to be older than me but still old enough, and while age certainly biases me toward a more charitable expectation of people, you seem to have evolved more toward a realistic one. Upon reflection, I fully accept your prediction to be the more likely one.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

Thanks for your gracious praise, Jack.

For the record, I am old (70’s now), also for the record—I am as full of shit as the next guy. I’m nothing special. At best I’m a “data point”, at worst an annoyance! All need to weigh their own insight and experience along side any comment I make.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

I’m not as optimistic. I agree with the entire leadup, but I think you underestimate confirmation bias. Wiki has not been discredited generally on contentious issues. People still cite Wiki as authoritative in Climate Science or Gender Science or Vaccine Science. People cling to the sources that tell them what they want to think. That’s why FOX and MSNBC have their true believers. VOX and HuffPo, anyone?

Though I admit I was pleasantly surprised to hear Colbert’s audience take the off-hand comment about CNN’s objectivity as a laugh line.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

I must disagree with you on Wiki. Take just Climate science. The Wiki editors were accused going on 15-20 years or so to have gotten together to delete, change, or freeze any article additions/corrections that went against the prevailing theory of anthropomorphic CO2 being the cause of CC and to delete/reject any article questioning such modeling and models in general. It was a scandal at that time of wide notoriety. I admit to not having used Wiki for anything much in the last 15-20 years or so, but I’m not going to argue Wiki matters at this point. They are… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Not what I meant. Wiki is crap. (To an arguably lesser extent, so is Infogalactic.) I just meant that NPCs believe it to be authoritative, and they are generally the ones who get to decide what is mis- and disinformation.

I once got into a discussion with some environists about containment systems, and I pointed out they didn’t appreciate the effects of montmorillonite in these systems. But because Wiki disagreed, I was “lying” or at best “misleading”.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Thanks for the reply Steve. I was confused by your response and had to do a little soul searching into myself. We seem on the same wavelength at this point.

BTW: For those here reading, note my comment to Jack above. Nothing I say is gospel. Read, think, and correct—we’ll both be the better for it.

NeoSpatran
NeoSpatran
3 months ago

Well, the surface explanation seems to point to technological ease of life as the cause for increasing the observable indolence and apathy that is inflicting our population… I think the real cause is a lot more complicated than that though. It seems that a lot of that apathy is simply caused by more and more people realizing, either consciously or unconsciously, that really, we are pretty screwed. We are a dying empire ruled by bad people. A dying empire with a propaganda apparatus of a scale and scope never before seen in all of human history. The sensible thing for… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
3 months ago

JFK aside, David Bowie was the first, biggest examplar of serial ersatz identity. I mean, if the Thin White Duke wasn’t our guy, no one is. He tried to play it off later, but in cocaini est veritas, if you folllow.

Johnny Ducati
Johnny Ducati
Member
3 months ago

You really need to toss all the neocon pundits off the roof of the pole barn to get an accurate representation… sample size matters.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
3 months ago

Of course, Kennedy only won because the Democrats stole Texas, Illinois, and West Virginia, so the debate shouldn’t have changed anything…

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  pyrrhus
3 months ago

Kennedy didn’t steal WVA. He bought it fair and square.

Tars Tarkas
Member
3 months ago

I don’t know, we have a much better word than Prolificity we can use to describe this and that’s duplicity. This is especially true with the minor celebrities we call “influencers” These artificial “manufactured profiles” are not the influencer or even politician merely playing a role. I don’t even see ‘playing a role’ as being all that bad and is often aspirational. What they are doing is a deliberate attempt to deceive you, usually for monetary gain or just “likes.” They are the same people who in an earlier age would have been working as a con artist.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 months ago

The mass media served its purpose as a homogeneous one size fits all way of doing things, but a lot of people have niche interests. I have a niche hobby that also happens to overlap with what I do for a living. To be honest, I was a little ashamed of my hobby as a kid because it’s kind of weird. The internet gave people who shared the same interests an outlet and a way to connect with other people with the same kinds of obscure interests. (Once you realize there are others out there, you don’t feel so weird… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 months ago

No! Just no. People gathering in a virtual space to talk about their weird or unpopular hobbies and using that virtual space for idea sharing or trading has nothing to do with “influencers” and their duplicitous nature.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 months ago

No, but my point is, that everything has become atomized these days. There is no critical mass that you can rally the public around with anymore. These people like Cernovich and Fuentes, that’s their niche, that’s what people are into. They strike a chord in their followers.

Just a little aside: Zelensky’s name is probably derived from the word for the color green (zelen, zeleno). Cernovich’s name is probably derived from the word for the color black (cern, cerno).

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  TempoNick
3 months ago

Sure…. But there’s a difference between a cult of personality and a “community,” even an “internet community” (for all that’s worth). In a regular community, there will naturally be leaders or at least the most popular or the most knowledgeable about the said hobby. But, the community is built around the hobby, not around the person. Cerno and Fuentes are cults of personality who only exist because of the cult leader. The cult leader is what holds them together. If the most knowledgeable guy in your weird hobby happens to die, your weird hobby doesn’t go away. You just find… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 months ago

Very true.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 months ago

But it’s not just grifters and oddball interests. In the paper Z linked to, Steve Kirsch would fall under his label of profilicity.

Now I get that he does not have the credentials of someone like Malone, but once you get past the jargon, immunology is not that difficult to understand. A reasonably intelligent STEM graduate can handle it. Heck, what’s passing for DIE med school graduates can understand it. Maybe.

Mycale
Mycale
3 months ago

Trump’s collapse in the polls is largely because of his team’s failures to recognize how fake the entire national discourse it. He gave a press conference on inflation yesterday. Despite the fact that inflation actually IS a huge problem, and actually HAS made everything more expensive, and IS a result of horrible government policies, it’s not going to make a single person vote one way or the other. People are going to vote for Kamala because she is “brat” or because JD Vance is “weird” though. This is something that Trump intuitively grasped in 2016, yet for some reason he… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

Yeah, the illusion of a close election is necessary for a cheat even to be halfway plausible. There is a magic number required before the fraud is not obvious from outer space, though, whatever that number may be. The only interesting part about the election and the unsaid part is what will happen if the margin of fraud is not obtained and the cheating cannot be denied. It is tempting to say “nothing” but I wouldn’t bet that way.

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

The cheating was pretty open in 2020 and 2022, and nothing happened except that some people who pointed it out too aggressively got mauled by the system. I see no reason to believe there is any amount of fraud, or even tyranny for that matter, that will induce a real rebellion. Maaaaybe a military draft? Or confiscation of 401k accounts? I think most of us are painfully aware how alone we are and how easy it would be to pick us off one by one. Right wing people almost always have a lot to lose, and are not insane enough… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
3 months ago

Agreed with all of that, but there will be a last time and suspect that would be it. The Left almost always curls up into a fetal position and moans and surrenders when hit hard, but usually that punch comes too late to be decisive. Open, indisputable election fraud is a good candidate for being the last time given what has transpired with the attempted murder and lawfare. The irony is the election results themselves do not matter. In ’20 and ’22 there was at least plausible deniability, though even then the outcome was irrelevant as far as the trajectory.… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

“…if the margin of fraud is not obtained and the cheating cannot be denied.” I can only make statements based on experience here in AZ, but it seems to me the cheating will always be denied, because the courts *never* allow otherwise. All cases here have been tossed or the standard of evidence placed so high, they are not brought to trial. This “failure to find guilt of fraud” is assumed to be evidence of “non-guilt”, hence my doubts. None of the above convinces those who follow these things in a thoughtful manner, but they do provide a legal cover… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Wild. I’m suggesting possible extrajudicial reaction, of course, but what you describe is, again, wild about the Arizona courts. Did the McCain machine, which I assume was quite real, cement that corrupt system into place? I suspect a growing number realize the judiciary is just as fake and gay and fraudulent, even with the mind-blowing stupidity/ineptitude aside, as everything else, but it still would make total sense that the last venue with limited hypothetical credibility would become the last resort.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

I believe two explanations may be in order. 1) there is judicial bias, 2) (the one I believe) is that the courts do not wish to directly interject in political affairs as a survival mechanism.

Of the three branches of government, the judicial is the weakest—and they know it. To interfere blatantly into the other two is to invite the same to them.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

Thanks. It would seem there would have to be statutory authority and case law as to what the burden of proof is–I actually can see why it would be required to be higher than a mere preponderance–but if everything always goes in one direction, either (a) no case ever meets the threshold of proof or (b) sufficient evidence is disregarded. Courts seem so highly politicized at this point it makes me assume the latter has to happen from time to time. Again, thanks.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  thezman
3 months ago

I don’t agree that the top item is the economy anymore. Maybe it was when this was a nation, but in a multicultural democracy, it has turned into a racial headcount + culture war. I used to live in a city that did well during the Trump years and is now getting its ass kicked by crime and migrant gibs and the urban poor got squeezed hard by inflation. They’re still going to go 80%+ for Kamala. Owing to the point in your post, people live their lives on social media, on shitlib Twitter, they talk about Trump like he… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mycale
3 months ago

There’s this myth that Trump ran a great campaign in 2016. If so, it didn’t materialize at the ballot box, where he came in just shy of 46% of the popular vote. Percentage wise, that’s less than Romney. He benefited from running against the most unlikeable presidential candidate in modern history, certainly in living memory, who was never, ever going to top 50% because too many people had made up their minds about her years before and weren’t going to change them. A great many people voted for him merely to vote against her. This (along with regime overconfidence) opened… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

If Cankles was the Least Likeable Candidate Ever, what does that make Cackles?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Cackles is more of the empty headed puppet variety. We’ve had several of those. Not exactly unlikeable, to a non discerning person.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

The problem though, is that Cackula has thoroughly alienated the diversity. Blacks are watching their gibs re-channeled to migrants and they are hopping mad about it, as are the seniors and pensioners. They are starting to pay attention now that their fat is in the fire.

The left are masters at dividing people and driving wedges between them… I wonder if they’ve reached a critical limit where they are now so divided, they can’t work with each other anymore….

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Filthie
3 months ago

Cackula–I like that.

flashing red
flashing red
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

A great profit could be made selling Kamala bobbleheads with a button that when pressed would release a cackle–

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Cackles’ team knows how horrible she is which is why they are keeping her away from any place where she could display it. And, let’s be honest, this is what they did for Biden for four years, albeit in a different context. They know how to handle it.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Mycale
3 months ago

The team controlling the Kamala campaign must talk frankly about her limitations, meaning her stupidity and unlikeability. Those generating the lies and illusions must have a knowledge of what they must conceal.

I would love to hear recordings of their strategy sessions.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

He benefited from running against the most unlikeable presidential candidate in modern history,”

At best the second most unlikable candidate—Trump himself was the *most* unlikable candidate in history. A problem that he still has to this very day! This is why a demented cabbage beat him in 2020 and the most mediocre AA politician on record is giving him a good race.

Look, you like Trump (maybe), I like Trump (definitely), but that does not change his dislike numbers. His fans are wildly enthusiastic, his detractors wildly rabid. Hence he is the most polarizing figure in political memory.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Compsci
3 months ago

This is why a demented cabbage beat him in 2020 and the most mediocre AA politician on record is giving him a good race.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Templar
3 months ago

If your comment is to be understood, you’ll need to elaborate. To me it’s meaningless, or rather has contradictory interpretations.

Oswald Spengler
Oswald Spengler
3 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_dA479MCs Supertramp — “Better Days” Trust me, I can help you Feel free, we can save you Join us in the good life And better days, better days Campaign for a new life Champagne and the bright lights Make way for the right way And better days, better days You didn’t realize about the other life that we can give you We’ll open up your eyes and make you see the light that’s all around you We’ll help you work it out and then you’ll never doubt Our intuition, our vision, our decision, our mission, so listen No war, and… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Oswald Spengler
3 months ago

Interesting. Never would have guessed Supertramp would be so cynical about utopianism. Would have suspected the very opposite.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
3 months ago

people are now going back into Plato’s cave my personal antidote to this is prayer, reading old books, and daily ealks in the woods. Although I’m probably not always successful in escaping all the brainwashing. but seriously, I think newspapers could have done the created the same “character” thing in the past 300 years. And minstrel shows and the like. I don’t think it’s totally unique to the internet. In a way, the radio could have done it, too. In fact it’s very possible that it was easier to create fake characters based on real people with the radio as… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 months ago

In a way, the radio could have done it, too.”

Not really, because of how radio was structured. The on-air talent were local, members of the community. There wasn’t massive syndication until much later. The first practical syndication was a result of Bing Crosby’s funding of Ampex, which developed commercial mag tape recording in the late ’40s. Sure, 78s served the same purpose, but could not be one-to-many reproduced.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Mass syndication was there almost with the birth of radio. The first TV networks came from the radio networks, as did the studios system that produced both. There were broadcast networks, even if DJs were local.

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Wiffle
3 months ago

Not really, or there would never have been the long-obsolete mandate for most stations to go low power after sunset. The ostensible reason was so that the 50kW blowers like WLS, KOMA, WABC, WCCO (then WLAG) etc. could cover the entire fruited plain. They were at best loosely affiliated, generally to carry sports events.

Of course, the fact that never once were the blowers used that way makes a pretty good argument it was just more cronyism.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

They were at best loosely affiliated, generally to carry sports events.”

In other words, before sunset, syndication did exist and of programs that are comparable to modern TV.

I’m good at being annoying here, but the War of the Worlds radio hoax from 1938 could have not caused a widespread panic without a form syndication. I believe that the saying was that the smart people were listening to the dummy, aka the Charlie McCarthy show at the same time slot.

Radio developed the national ecosystem that would lend itself directly to radio with pictures, aka TV.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Wiffle
3 months ago

Not to get all pedantic, but what time slot was War of the Worlds, etc. run? Evening, right? When the local stations were forced to low power?

Been a long time since I got my license, but seems to me there were only a couple dozen stations included in what you are calling “syndication”.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 months ago

Covid was just war of the world via orsen welles times 100

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Mr. House
3 months ago

I’ve always said that, “it’s just the flu,” bro was right all along.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 months ago

That line was genius propaganda, pretending that the bro-science position was “It’s just a flu, bro” when the knowledgeable non-expert’s point was “It’s just a cold“—which it was, and that’s of great epidemiological significance.

The flu is serious and murderous. A cold is “common” and incurable. Mostly harmless. Any serum concocted to prevent it is doing something else entirely. Etc.

The lie was so good, the bros pretended along.

(If Sailer’s on the payroll, pushing the “flu” strawman was how he got his first paycheck. I think he does it for free. Or, he did. He’s monetized his hobby now.)

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Hi-ya!
3 months ago

my personal antidote to this is prayer, reading old books, and daily ealks in the woods. Although I’m probably not always successful in escaping all the brainwashing.”

Yes. This helps. Shut off the Net as necessary, exercise, read, and pray.

I also agree that this is nothing new. We’re just dealing with it at the speed of the Internet.

Nooneimportant
Nooneimportant
3 months ago

The episode reminded me of the old quip, “In politics, sincerity is everything, and if you can fake that you’ve got it made.”

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
3 months ago

As it turns out Kamala did in fact speak of practical matters. She shared her economic proposals in front of a paltry audience. She went off about “price gouging” at grocery stores and proposed price controls among other things. Even the WaPo panned it as Nixonian and an inevitable failure. The NY Post came up with the meme Kamunism which I suppose is spreading around.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Brandon Laskow
3 months ago

Yeah, but the difference between candidates is pretty much one of *degree* wrt pandering. Trump’s promise of tax free SSI and tax free tips is also simple pandering with the essential result of giving one group money out of the other’s pocket.

Now a real statesman would run on a balanced budget proposal, rather than pick the interest groups with the most votes to bribe. Of course, I admit that all such candidates til now that have promoted such have fallen by the wayside.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
3 months ago

Profilicity isn’t prolificity.

Isleofview
Isleofview
3 months ago

From this day forward I pledge to only use Kackula as the moniker off the chosen one.

TempoNick
TempoNick
3 months ago
Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
3 months ago

They’re so close! It’s right in front of them!

Map Shows Which States Have the Highest IQs (msn.com)

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

I’m really not sure what the point of this ep was supposed to be, or at least it didn’t strike me as particularly insightful. People (particularly politicians, god forbid) aren’t honest? They present personas to the wider world? The Media is biased? They also lie? It would certainly be ironic if this was some sort of feigned naivete. I don’t follow Keith Woods at all, but am I to assume you’d take him more seriously if he had a doctorate in virology before he started telling you Corona was a zombie apocalypse? I thought you were supposed to be against… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

I don’t think that was the point.

The paper linked to is heavy on jargon and light in substance, sure, but I thought the key takeaway is that in the new paradigm, you are who you identify as today. If you are still perceiving things through other mental frameworks, like sincerity or authenticity, you will miss the point.

Our side has a huge blind spot there. The man playacting a woman to be able to kick the crap out of her at the Olympics is just that. An act. And, yet, we assume it must be much more.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Yeah, there is a tendency to impute greater import to things than they merit. I am guilty, too.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 months ago

But there is little that could be much more important than the fact that we live between the covers of an absurd, fake-and-gay, perverse-and-diverse fantasy novel rather than in the real world. This, I suspect, is something entirely de novo in the human experience, and it is not a good thing.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

I don’t believe it’s that bad. Of course, I long ago moved to a rural area far more to my liking, but I doubt 1/4 of Zoomers are really faggots. I think it’s probably like the Olympics or that guy who smoked women in collegiate swimming. It’s just a way to distinguish yourself from the crowd, and, since tranny is the latest thing, it’s something you can pretend to be to get on the good side of HR or college admissions or whomever.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
3 months ago

Being perverse and/or diverse does not distinguish one from the crowd, it makes one a part of it.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 months ago

Maybe. The point is to get past the DIE screeners. Anyone who does not at least play-act the part is going to have to remain living in Dad & Mom’s basement.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

The point is that authenticity is being ditched in favor of raw emotions, fantasy, and imagery. Credentialism may or may not be part of authenticity, but that’s not even a side issue in this. A more legitimate criticism is this is not really new.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

My thought too, it’s just persona. Everyone has one and politicians etc. hone theirs to the max to deceive. Jung didn’t think it was all bad if one chose correctly and became the mask.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Bloated Boomer
3 months ago

The term “expert” has morphed from experience and expertise in a field to a kind of fake credential. They took the term and wore it like a skinsuit in the same way the Nobel Prize thing has turned into a political propaganda organ. From what I’ve seen, it’s used as a replacement of a credential. Like how all the sudden a bunch of 24 year olds became “experts” in “misinformation” and “disinformation.” This, I think, is what Z-man means when he talks about men with “practical knowledge” vs all the flunkies who never had a real job in their life… Read more »