Democratic Theocracy

Iran has been in the news lately and one of the interesting things about the coverage is Western media rarely talks about the president of Iran. In fact, almost all Iran stories skip the president entirely. This is highly unusual as Western media is conditioned to personify countries that are out of favor. The bad country becomes the ruler of that country and that ruler is always some form of Hitler. The closest they get with Iran is using a picture of the supreme leader in the copy.

One reason for this is Iran is a complicated place and Western media struggles with anything more complicated than the good guys versus bad guys narrative. Despite what most think, Iranian politics has factions and parties, with the winners being picked by the voters at fairly normal elections. Those factions and parties argue about all the usual things, including foreign policy. The current president ran on a platform of improving relations with the rest of the world.

The funny thing about Iran is that it has avoided what has happened with all prior revolutionary societies. They did not have rounds of purges or a great terror in which a strongman consolidated power. There is no cult of personality in the way most communist societies evolved. They are not dogmatically attached to a narrow set of economic policies. Instead, Iran has evolved into the world’s first explicitly democratic theocracy based in its form of Islam.

At the top of Iranian society is the Supreme Leader. He is appointed by the Assembly of Experts, who are elected to their positions. The Guardian Council approves all candidates for elected office, including those nominated to the Assembly of Experts, so the gatekeepers of politics are the religious authorities. The result is a political system that can debate and argue over public policy, but within the broad religious framing of the Islamic authorities.

This is why the West often talks about Iran as if it is a medieval society. In medieval Europe, the Church set the boundaries for secular government. The King had to be in good standing with the Church, but the Church needed to be in good standing with the king as he provided security. From the perspective of “secular” societies in the West, the Iranians have recreated a throne and altar society, something the West abandoned in favor of reason and democracy.

The interesting thing about the criticism is it comes with some envy. The managerial class of the West, especially in America, would probably prefer the explicit relationship between the moral and the practical. In Iran, if Islam forbids it, it is simply forbidden and that is the end of it. In America, banning the discussion of crime stats is forbidden for an extensive list of contradictory reasons sprinkled with magical thinking about the reality of the human condition.

This may be why Iran avoided the cycle of violence and authoritarianism that we expect to see with revolutionary societies. From the start, the morality of the revolution had been resolved. The main task was to first remove the prior regime and the Western influences that emanated from it. Once the old regime was gone, there was no void where the old morality existed, so there was no battle for who would decide how to fill the void and with what to fill it.

This may explain some of the convulsions of the West. Christianity and the carryover from it provided the moral center of the progressive ideology. That slowly gave way to opposition to communism in the Cold War. Once the great struggle had been won, there was no longer a moral purpose to the progressive ideology. What flowed into it was whatever was kicking around the institutions. Fringe lunacies suddenly had a clear path to the center of the progressive moral universe.

Once again, we see that Marx was right about politics. At the highest level, it is about the battle over moral questions. Once the moral questions are answered, there is no need for this sort of politics. Instead, politics is reduced to debates about how to address the mundane practical issues of governance. For thirty years Iran has only had to worry about defending itself from the West, while for the last thirty years the West has been searching for a new god to replace the old one.

What you see in Iran is something the West cannot reconcile and that is the limit of reason, which is the moral. The ideology of the West rests on the assumption that all moral questions have a reasonable answer, so all moral limits that cannot hold up to reason must be invalid. Iran does not struggle with this dilemma, because the moral limits are beyond question and they are right there in the Koran, as interpreted by the religious authorities.

Put another way, what Iran has in excess is the answer to the two most important questions for any society and they are “who says?” and “why not?” The answer to both questions is well known to everyone in Iranian society and therefore the questions never need to be asked. In the West, there are no answers to those questions, so the closest we get to an answer is the jungle of rules against discussing anything that challenges the sensibilities of the managerial class.

What we see with the contrast between Iran and the West, particularly America, is a contrast in two forms of democratic theocracy. Iran starts with the issue of morality as a settled matter and implements democracy as a means to sort practical ends. In the West, democracy is a moral end in itself, but the result is endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths. Iran is the mirror of American in terms of the relationship between the moral and the political.

There are other reasons why Iran is what it is, not the least of which is that it is full of Iranians who can date their society back to the ancients. Islam also has a vastly different view of the natural world than what evolved out of Christianity. Even so, the fact that Iran has survived as a democratic theocracy provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well. Otherwise, it shakes itself to pieces searching for something to fill the void that lies at the center of it.


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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

“. . . provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well.” I disagree. White progressives must be “in front” of the plebs morally, i.e. they must disagree with them, to maintain their feeling of moral superiority. As soon as the majority of people move to agree with the progressives, the progressive moves farther out. You saw that with gays. First, the progressives tolerated gays, but as the majority accepted that position, progressives moved to embracing gay to celebrating gays and then did the same with transgenderism. Progressives have to hold a morality different from the majority to… Read more »

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Much truth here.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Yeah, it’s the nearest thing to “permanent revolution” that we can see. It also trips up ostensibly reasonable people (like me maybe when I was a young Normie). I supported drug legalization and gay marriage because I don’t like telling other people what to do. What a fooking idiot I was….

ray
ray
Reply to  Captain Willard
22 days ago

With rare exception, we were all fooking idjits in our youth.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  ray
21 days ago

I voted for Mondale AND for Dukakis (18 and 22 yrs. old). But something(s) triggered a change (maturity?) and I got a whiff of the d-baggery of “both sides of the aisle” (sigh…) and set me on a course down this-here yellow brick road.
I don’t think that those “triggers” happen much anymore.

ray
ray
Reply to  rasqball
21 days ago

Never was a political person myself. But in youth, my sympathies generally were leftist. Of course, the Democratic Party was (ostensibly) the party of the workingman and of labor when I was young, in the Fifties and Sixties. Now, they’re the party of the damned.

Modernly, no party even vaguely represents my interests, and I consider them all the enemy. With good reason.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Exactly. Progressivism’s evolving morality is in fact a form of permanent revolution. It is in fact moving toward an American-style of totalitarianism although it alternatively could veer toward water buffalo worship or something else. The “who says?” question and the definition of morality never can be settled or progressivism ceases to be a thing. This is both the Achilles Heel and raison d’etre of the Global American Empire and thus the reason it is falling apart. Frankly, it is a bloody miracle it has lasted this long.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodsen
22 days ago

I think that the RoW has realized that GAE can never quit, can never live at peace with other countries. GAE is terrifying (and annoying) combination of WASP moral progressives and Jewish supremacists. The WASPs are incapable of accepting that other groups might have a different morality while Jews are incapable of accepting that other groups might not want to have Jews running amok in their society.

GAE is the terminator. It doesn’t know how to quit. Other countries understand this now and are working to build walls to keep us out.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

The Pride flags flying at embassies encapsulate this phenomenon perfectly. I float the idea from time to time that the WASP’s continue to have the upper hand and most disagree. Given that discretion to fly Pride flags is given to ambassadors only in Muslim countries, they may be right.

The GAE indeed is terrifying. It has deeply religious convictions that change almost daily and the penalty for apostasy often is death.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodsen
21 days ago

That WASP influence would be analogous to the Old Money families in Europe, such as the Black Nobility with ties back to Venice, William the Conqueror, or even Rome.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

GAE as the Terminator the rest of the world is trying to manage is an important point.

One recent action that supports this idea are Iran’s recent comments they are finished responding to Our Greatest Ally in a restrained fashion.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Jack Dodsen
22 days ago

Yes. GAE/ZOG has replaced the Soviet Union as a militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian empire. Democratic “equity” for obese trannies and negroes and women is simply a form of communism.

Unlike the boot-on-your-throat, industrial Soviet communism, though, it’s basically a Huxleyan/sexual/consumerist communism. Anal sex, abortion and weed seem to be its core principles. The will put a boot on your throat if they have to, but they’d rather keep you quiescent by happily cruising gay bars in Greenwich Village and taking soma (weed).

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Xman
22 days ago

Don’t forget debt and dollar dependency. The Puritans demand your soul. The Jews demand financial servitude.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

It’s like African-American style. Once the whites embrace it, AA’s start wearing other ridiculous crap.

That’s why you still see AA’s wearing the droopy pants and the loud Sunday outfits. Whites aren’t ever doing that.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

Except you quickly reach a dead end. I saw snippets of the latest video by some African rapper yesterday and it was indistinguishable from a 90’s “gangsta” rap video. The same clothes, the same misogyny, the same hand gestures, the same glorification of cheaply acquired wealth. Black popular culture has hardly budged since hip-hop and basketball Americans assumed god-like status during the Clinton years.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

That’s probably the point of establishing a morality. Except for a few wiggers and hispanegroes, American blacks have found a “look” and it’s nearly impossible for outsiders to adopt it without looking ridiculous. European Christianity established a morality that very few elsewhere in the world could adopt, and it served as a barrier for entry. Now Europeans (driven by Jews and Anglos) are seeing how far they can push “alternate lifestyles” and replaceable-part consumerism before non-Anglos give up trying to assimilate. Once we reach that stage – probably polyamorous pedophilia or something – then “white people” have found a “look”… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

I put “white people” in quotes because being and acting “white” is now an affectation rather than a racial reality. Meaning fake emotiveness and smug superiority. Kamala Harris is whiter than me, for example.

okram
okram
Reply to  Marko
21 days ago

France doesn’t have an age of consent. Major French politicians in the 90s talked about doing it with kids. France legalized homosexuality in the revolution.

And it’s not just the French:the Dutch age of consent is 13!
In Italy trans “models” were a big thing in the 80s and 90s.

I don’t think you know much about European culture.

The Wasps are much less degenerate than the average continental.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

This occurred to me as I have been recently rewatching “The Wire”. Except for the tech, nothing has changed. Baltimore is still Baltimore, arguably worse. One of the gateways to this side of the great divide is the realization that it can’t be fixed.

The implications of that are not for the faint of heart.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

Blacks—everyone but East Asians, really—have been trained to hate old music. Dumb ones simply obey their screens, the algorithmic BUY NOW that says if you’re not shopping you’re lame (white), while smart ones chant “canonicity is whiteness.” It’s recent. Just a generation ago, old record black guy who showed the kids Bobby Womack was a stock character—in media and in life. He’s extinct. They don’t learn anymore. Hiphop made by hiphop fans is stereotypically inbred/regressed, ugly and retarded. The inventors of it were interested in other things. The genre-defining rap beat was jacked from Kraftwerk.

Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

I remember growing up (Catholic elem. & h.s.) and having a few black friends in grade school (mostly 4th – 8th gr.). Because of where I grew up, they were the children of military families (enlisted), and thus had at least some level of discipline at home. But what I also remember is, during that era (ca. 1986 – 1990), learning about / hearing “go-go” black music. I liked the rhythm, but it never really “gelled” for me. I had a musical-enough brain (thank you piano lessons & clarinet lessons) to know that it all sounded the same, even though… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Carrie
22 days ago

From the 90s on, negro ‘music’ is just banging sticks on rocks plus grunting plus amplification. And plenty of white people eat it up. **smh**

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

East Asia is not immune. If you listen to popular music from any of the three major languages, the songs are quite often filled with pounding beats and with rap breaks that would have been cringy in a late 80’s after school special.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

The Iranian regime is definitely not a model for the progressives. The interesting question is whether that regime can tell us something. So far I’m not sure

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

Not so sure about that. The progressives would happily adopt a model that lets them be the first and final arbiter of what is moral. You see it now in the way their media arm tries so hard to select who can and cannot run for political office. I’m also very, very sure that they’d be quite happy to throw apostates off of tall buildings.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Outdoorspro
22 days ago

I’m sure they’d be happy to order someone else to throw the apostates off buildings. I’m not so sure they’d be willing to do it themselves.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

Only 99.96% of cops and soldiers would lustily slaughter your family if some government tranny told them to.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Outdoorspro
22 days ago

The salient difference is that Iran stopped it’s revolution. They’re no longer trying to one up each other and escalate all the time. So it’s an ideologically stable thing. That’s unlike the left and unlike the Muslim brotherhood to Al Qaeda to Isis escalations

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Exactly right. It is a perpetual march further left. This also allows for victimhood to be maintained by the chosen groups.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tired Citizen
21 days ago

The grievance identity groups cry out as they strike you.
Where on earth could they have learned such a thing?

1660please
1660please
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

I think that you’re right. I also think that with fallen human nature, there will always be some supposed “victim” for progressives to champion. So there seem to be multiple driving forces for those “self-anointed” ones. In addition to their disdain for us, they believe themselves as being on the side of the oppressed, while, in many cases, they are actually advocating for the evil, the immoral, the flawed, the degenerate, the evolutionary mutant, etc. If one doesn’t accept the Christian idea of fallen humanity, one can still accept, by looking at history, that humans have certain biological tendencies that… Read more »

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

It really has thrown the harpies for a loop, esp men in dresses in the ladie’s locker room. The bra burners by and large DO NOT stand behind women in sports.

ray
ray
Reply to  Ivan
22 days ago

Trans — like homosexual celebrationism and ‘diversity’ — is a direct product of feminism. Now the daddies of feminist girls are outraged … OUTRAGED, I tell you . . . because the trans-men are horning-in on their grift. The hypocrisy is staggering.

If I had a rocket launcher etc.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Right. If they aren’t progressing, they aren’t progressive. The line points one way and it’s a moral imperative. Doesn’t have to be reasonable, or even coherent.

vladdy
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
21 days ago

Anyone else notice the constant use of “forward”? “Moving forward,” “going forward”…it’s as prevalent as the gratuitous (and incorrect) constant use of “literally.”

But in the case of “forward,” it’s to subliminally suggest that trad is bad…and that we must always be pushing “forward” (which means “change” is the foremost quality and everything not changing is “backward.”)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

Quite. Once the Left accepts the status quo, morally or otherwise, they go out of business. Their job is to push society leftward infinitely.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

I think the point is you have an Ayatollah or a Stalin or a Xi Jinping at the top of the pyramid ready to apply rubber truncheon to the soles of the feet of any ‘progressive’ showing excessive zeal for the virtue-signalling spiral.

Same hard stop needs to be applied to excessive populism, too: it’s only useful for helping to *gain* power. Net negative (to put it mildly) once you *have* power.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zaphod
21 days ago

I’d accept a Nicholas !, Henry VIII, Pinochet, Sulla, or hell, maybe even an Andrew Jackson with his hands untied.

Mr. Burns
Mr. Burns
22 days ago

America does have a religious authority. The Jewish comics on TV. Whatever they make fun of on any given day is bad. Whatever they praise is good. What’s so hard about that? Why do some people have such a hard time accepting their authority? Can’t you hear the laugh track of all the normal people backing them up?

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mr. Burns
22 days ago

That’s been our faith for 30 years, but even American whites are starting to notice that something isn’t right. What’s more, blacks never accepted it. Hispanics never even noticed it. Finally, Indians see the game being played by Jews and want to play it themselves, which causes a serious problem for Jews.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

It causes a serious problem for the rest of the US too. See Z’s post on Hindu Lebensraum. India has a huge, young, and growing population that is looking to move. Canada and the US are desired destinations. Indians are nice and polite people right now, but they are as tribal as anyone in the world and will play that game hard when their numbers are sufficient. You can already see it in the IT sector. Whites and East Asians get excluded. Look at all the AA benefits Indians get from the SBA that are not available to citizens. That… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  MikeCLT
22 days ago

Agree. But if whites are going to act like slaves, they’re going to have a master of some type or another. Whites could easily throw off their Jewish masters or any other group if we simply started to view ourselves as a people, but we don’t.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me a thousand times, shame on me. Whites should be ashamed.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

White is more diverse than Jewish, or even Indian. Iirc, Z has mentioned Aleksandr Dugin talking about a civilizational perspective. That’s probably more workable than a racial one, but even then, you have to deal with the Athens and Jerusalem bit. You almost have to start from the beginning to get a sense of who you are.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

That slave training is exactly why I’m becoming allergic to the whole “we are fallen sinners” crap, because that line originated as slave training for a “conquered” people. The Original Sin was to be Aryan white, it’s early Bronze Age propaganda. I say “conquered” because we, in large part, weren’t. That supremacist tripe is just what they told themselves when making their stories. “Oh, but the sin of pride” and all that claptrap. I get it, bow your head in gratitude and loyalty, but if we were as stiff-necked with racial certainty as any Indian, or Negro, or Jew, we… Read more »

Johnny Ducati
Johnny Ducati
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
22 days ago

We are presented with the polite, well-behaved hadji in movies and TV. I’ve had quite some dealings with them, and now see them as shifty little brown jews, always begging for discounts and whining like they are injured when they have to pay full price.

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  MikeCLT
22 days ago

Indians are nice and polite until they fire you from your job to replace you with co-ethnics. They are a menace, just of a different type from the other more violent ones. None should ever have been allowed to come here. They need to go back.

vladdy
Member
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
21 days ago

Living in a rural area, we’ve noticed that Indian doctors have that supremacist attitude, at least toward rural dwellers. The way they condescend is shocking. Actually had one say to me “Let’s get this straight. I will tell you what to do, and you will DO it.” Seriously. After 3 such exchanges in a row w/3 different doctors from India, we try to pick heritage-Americans (if we HAVE to go, anyway–since covid lies, we don’t have trust left for the “medical community.”) Never had a problem w/Jewish doctors. Sad to see how “normalized” anti-semitism is now….esp since what most people… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  MikeCLT
21 days ago

It was a huge wakeup for me to travel to India on business and notice the difference in demeanour when they’re in the majority and have all the guns and rules and regulations at their beck and call.

You do *not* want the Pajeet sandal on your neck.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Zaphod
21 days ago

At your feet or at your throat.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  Mr. Burns
22 days ago

The raison d’etre of America is the permanent revolution, hence the Jewish comedians are yielding to Progressive scolds who in turn are falling apart (disagree with Z on the permanence) and likely to be replaced by other religious fundamentalists. I do appreciate the wisdom of the analogy, though.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Mr. Burns
22 days ago

I think this was the case until 7 years ago or so. Before Trump won, TV shows and movies were still “good” and stand-up was more popular than ever. Jews were driving most of the popular podcasts, even the “right-wing” ones. Now there is an ever-larger segment that is decoupling from mainstream entertainment. People who watch mainstream entertainment either have kids and can’t escape them, or are terminally normie and the proverbial sack of potatoes. I think for the Progressive and the Regime-minded, what’s on TV and on mainstream news is scripture, or at least is something to critique, as… Read more »

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Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Mr. Burns
21 days ago

You mean Colbert, Fallon, and Kimmel? Those Jewish comics?

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
22 days ago

Iran as a country is 3500 years old, by far the oldest in the World…Like the Chinese, they know who they are…And Iranians have always been the philosophers and intellectuals of the Middle East, but thanks to our media, Americans tend to think they are primitive, despite their advanced industries and scientific knowhow…,,.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  pyrrhus
22 days ago

They might actually be the oldest continuously existing state in the world. It comes down to definitions of a state and whether a state can continue existing when it is occupied. But I think Egypt would be another candidate. But Egypt was definitely population replaced. The people who built pyramids were not Arabs

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  pyrrhus
22 days ago

If you lump Iran in with Arabs, you are dumber than a box of rocks. I’ve mentioned this before, but all one needs to do is look at current Russia-Iran exchange due to Ukrainian war. Iran has built a forward thinking response to US technology edge via the revolutionary use of inexpensive drones. They also have the “bomb”. They’ve refined uranium to just under fissionable material percent, but have huge amounts. Processes to take it to useful percentage is now of short duration in the centrifuges. I suspect all other aspects of ignition are already constructed. Not sure why they… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
21 days ago

(Umm, nobody said they were Arabs.)

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
21 days ago

Only confirming such, not accusing anyone—here. However, it seems a common misconception with the normies.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  pyrrhus
22 days ago

Believe it or not, they also have some of the greatest ski slopes in the world. The arid conditions in the mountains give the snow the consistency of confectionary sugar.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
22 days ago

Jamaal-Khalid Killy wholeheartedly agrees.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  pyrrhus
22 days ago

There’s a popular (2.4 million subscribers) youtube channel called Itchy Boots, where a woman named Noraly travels the world on a motorcycle. A few years ago she travelled across Iran. You get a sense of what Iran is like, and it’s much different than what we’re led to believe. Of course she has to cover her head, but the Iranians treat her very well and the country is scenic.

First two episodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrKGuS6kmJs&list=PL8M9dV_BySaUE-uJADRFRrL6BiVpKC3-e&index=55 and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEHmeEVd6X0&list=PL8M9dV_BySaUE-uJADRFRrL6BiVpKC3-e&index=56

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Wolf Barney
21 days ago

I’d like to know, do they allow genital mutilation on their women or boys? I don’t think so, and it would make a huge difference. Ugly, I know, but today’s is about Iranian morality. You see, if you want to cure most of Semitic pathology, you start at the root. If the Semitic practice is not conducted in Iran, I’ll bet that’s why they can function as a democracy, rather than a tyranny or a hapless mess. Khomeini was British-Indian, but your typical baby-buggering pervert, as he said in his Green Book. Khamanei, the religious authority, is fairly hands off… Read more »

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Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Wolf Barney
21 days ago

That’ much mileage, you’d have to guess it’s not just itchy boots.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
22 days ago

“the Iranians have recreated a throne and altar society, something the West abandoned in favor of reason and democracy.”

Abandoned for Jewish finance capitalism with a threadbare democratic facade that doesn’t fool any astute observer.

Otherwise, it shakes itself to pieces searching for something to fill the void that lies at the center of it.”

That’s the thing, isn’t it? That void and the nihilism and despair it engenders.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Arshad Ali
22 days ago

Most of what we’re witnessing now is the larger countries of the world attempting to move away from Jewish financial control (enforced by white guys in the military). The Global American Empire is a financial/trade empire, which suits Jews perfectly, though it originated with the British, then the WASPs took it over and now the Jews have it. The heavy use of trade and financial sanctions against Russia is no accident. But it failed, which is more important than the military defeat in Ukraine. It will take a long time, but the BRICs are slowing – so slowly – working… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
22 days ago

I think the Jews were always in the background and left the glory to the goys.That seems to be their modus operandi.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Arshad Ali
22 days ago

Arshad, it is exactly like things are done in South Africa: the whites make all the right decisions, are left invisible and blacks take full credit.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

Uh huh. The dazzling and immaculate magnificence of AINO is the manifestation of all those correct decisions made by Jews.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
21 days ago

I don’t think Arshad means entirely that kind of credit.
At least we build amazingly efficient concentration camps!

(Now be nice to Anna, she’s a dear and meant well.)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
21 days ago

My interpretation is she was saying Jews in AINO, like whites in SA, are responsible for everything good, but that AINO’s whites, like SA’s negroes, take all the credit.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Anna
21 days ago

oops

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okram
okram
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

The British did not originate the trade empire model. You could read up on the Dutch or Venice, or even Carthage. Thinking about it you might want to throw in Athens.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

Small quibble-not-quibble, “…though it originated with the British,…”

I wanted to disagree, being shamelessly biased, but cannot.
Of course, I wanted to blame Judeo-Christianity, because Jewish values.
But honestly, that’s just a bit much of a stretch all the time, really.

Then I realized the foundation for Jack Dobson’s “Puritan” ethos, which is still a bit fuzzy: Anglo-Saxons and Normans.

Like the Bronze Age Semitic supremacists, the Angles and Danes are a conquering people, much closer to our hearts. Britain probably gets much of its difficult history from this aspect.

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Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
22 days ago

Poland tried to be a Catholic version of that after communism ended in 1989. It still is to some extent. But the Tusk regime wants to make it go full Western decadent.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Jack Boniface
21 days ago

“Forget it Jake. It’s Polacktown.”

Poles making the right move, ever, would just break the Simulation.

The Great Programmer only invented and retconned them so they could do their thing at the Siege of Vienna.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zaphod
21 days ago

Ah well. At least they make some mighty fine vodka.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

The Persians actually believe in the edicts of their God.
I am not sure how we get this back in the United States?
Christianity in the United States has been declining for some time and even when it was not declining the influence of Jefferson and the enlightenment boys created a belief that there was actually a wall between church and state.
Its probably the only wall that we will ever successfully build.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Much of the wall was constructed in the post war (ww2) period. Not all of it, but at least some of it. Plus, even when it was written, it applied to the federal government, not the states. Massachusetts, for example, had a state church with taxing authority of the residents of the state.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
22 days ago

All the original 13 colonies had further racial and religious restrictions on voting and office holding. Initially many of these were to restrict office holders to Protestant Christians – Catholics could not hold office in New Jersey until 1844. The Jews pushed to change the Pennsylvania religious requirement for office holders in 1790.

The ‘wall’ was in rubble a century before WWII.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  3g4me
22 days ago

You’re forgetting things like the removal of religion in schools, of blasphemy laws and of decency laws.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

I’m no fan of the Iranian system but I doubt they have as much child molestation as here and they are not confused about the difference between men and women. I think they too have a collapsing birth rate so they are doing something wrong as regards human nature. But incredible as it sounds they are a saner society than the West

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

They are also not replacing their heritage stock. Theocratic or not, Iran will still be Persian in the future. We can’t say the equivalent

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

Iran’s people know where they are going because they know where they have been. That is to say, they understand and value their history.

Thus, they are able to use it as a guide for acting in the present and to plan for the future.

In comparison, look at how the GAE treats the historical legacy that enabled it to ascend to the height of global power.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Iran’s follies and faults are quite familiar to history and far smaller than GAE’s

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

Everyone has collapsing birth rates embedded into the fabric of their civilization. Some have manifest. Some have not. yet. All women want sex. Not all women want babies. The dominant pattern in human history up to about 50 years ago was that women had no choice in the matter: sex -> babies. This is the pattern that EVOLVED. No other selection pressure was necessary for perpetuation. The advent of inexpensive and effective birth control has decoupled sexual gratification and babies. This broke the dynamic equilibrium. The only societies that are reproducing are those that control their women both with intense… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

Nature did not see fit to give women the choice as you point out.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

That last bit is no longer true. There’s a famous photo from Japan of an isolated countryside vending machine under a dedicated street light, its uninterrupted peaceful vigil to dispense drinks to a people who don’t steal (except umbrellas). It looks like the past we just barely remember, California from old movies. It’s often paired with the most American picture, a school Pepsi machine so tightly and complexly welded into its custom security cage that you can’t even put money in it. The Eye Of Globohomo saw that picture of Japan, and saw America’s longing for it, and sent Rahm… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Hemid
21 days ago

When I lived in Tokyo I found it easiest to just believe that Aliens had invaded and were everywhere silently watching and studying the natives. But at least you could slap some yen in them and get hot BOSS coffee back out on a cold winter’s morn.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Horace
21 days ago

Iran has a Islamic theocracy but still has a democidal birth rate. The mullahs allowed contraception, which is a suicidal policy.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
22 days ago

Moran, you should see a video of their “Supreme” Ayatollah kissing 5 year old girl and asking her how she liked it. Needless to remind that a marriage if old men to 6-7 years old girls are allowed under Islam.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

True. Also true that marriage of uncle and niece is allowed under Judaism – even in Rhode Island.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

Needless to remind that a marriage if old men to 6-7 years old girls are allowed under Islam.”

A coming attraction of postmodern secularism in the West.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
21 days ago

Ahem. We’re more progressive than those savages, it must be 6-7 year-old boys. Appropriately dressed, of course.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
21 days ago

Correction duly noted and accepted.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

Remember the Boston Massacre, the Maine, the Lusitania, the Tonkin Gulf, babies out of incubators, yellow cake, a day in infamy, Suddenly for No Reason, the ayatollahs violating the whamen.
Its all so tiresome.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

I’m certainly not condoning the marriage if kids. Saying that the ideology of the West is worse is not to endorse Iran’s system. It’s recognition of how bad things have become here

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Anna
22 days ago

I’ve never seen that video, but there are videos of the IDF killing 6 and 7 year-old girls.

Funny that you didn’t mention that.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

Citizen, is that the video where Palestinian father cries over his child “killed” by israelis, and the child scratches his leg in the middle of said Pallywood performance?
Sure some Palestinian children are killed in spite of Israel ALWAYS warning civilians to get out before they start bombing civilian areas.
Israel wants to win the war while neither Western country has done it in the last 80 years. Win, not “nation build”. Israel is the only country presently fighting for civilization against certain barbarity.
I never heard anyone blaming the Allies for the multitudes of German children killed in 1944-45.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Anna
21 days ago

I blame The Allies – specifically, the actions of the Air Forces of Great Britain and The United States (and their masters) – for a great many (if not a plurality) of the German children killed in The Second European War,

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  rasqball
21 days ago

To our great and eternal shame.
That’s why the strength of their grip- they trick you into being complicit, and now you must ally, or kill yourself with grief.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
21 days ago

Eh, they name streets after Palestinians for bravely bashing toddler girl’s heads on rocks, so I ain’t picking sides. It’s the Palestinian Christians that are caught in the middle here.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Anna
21 days ago

Khomeini was far worse, he advocated as young as 1 year old in the Green Book.
He was a sick, sick piece of work.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Anna
21 days ago

Come now… Do you really want us to go there with the Mohels?

That would really suck.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Zaphod
21 days ago

Now, now, my dear Zaphod. Let’s not make a mountain out of a Mohel…

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
21 days ago

I think it was Mohammed tried to drop a mountain on the Mohel.

But he scraped through by the skin of his teeth.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
21 days ago

The mullahs allowed contraception and the Iranians are now committing self-democide.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
22 days ago

Not exactly bloodless, the Iranian revolution was a weird mix of socialism and shia Islam. That’s actually the debate at the imam council level. The original Ayatollah actually leaned more socialist than shiite, but still killed a lot of mainline communists in camps. It’s why Reagan tried to smuggle them guns.

Shia Islam is also the more reason driven branch of Islam. Famously, the Ayatollah’s favorite book was The Republic. It’s as if The Guardians let the people have a little democracy.

Fascinating place. Well worth picking up some books about it.

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Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  Tykebomb
22 days ago

Not only communists, all religious minorities were either executed or fled the country.
Sikhs, Bahai and Sunnis, Zoroastrians there were a few Jews & Christians
Mohomadeans will be killing each other and all “infidels”of whatever stripe forever.
I suspect many of our “greatest allies” being a mirror image in many ways will eleminate their inferiors as well as soon as they are able. they are in process of ethnic cleansing now.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  Spingerah
22 days ago

It really depended on the religious minority. Like all revolutions, murder and expulsion of regime opponents real or perceived was the first order of business. All Bahai and Zoroastrians either fled, were murdered, or expelled immediately. They were not perceived as People of the Book. Jews and Armenian Christians not perceived as enemies of the state were allowed to stay in some cases under tightly controlled conditions. Sunnis were in some cases allowed to remain under limited rights. It is somewhat analogous to how Israel treats Gentiles. One report that stuck with me after the revolution was that before they… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dodsen
21 days ago

Since the southern provinces are much more heavily Arab, I can see both a large pool of loyalists to draw from as well as a large pool of rapists.

TomA
TomA
22 days ago

Both Iran and Russia are succeeding as nations and not succumbing to subjugation by the West. That is why they are hated by the Globalists and must be destroyed. And the Globalists are pleased to sacrifice their peons in service to this goal. This dynamic will persist and escalate until this small cadre of parasites feels the heat of their debauchery. That is the solution to the problem. We don’t need to keep refining the diagnosis. We need to implement the cure.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  TomA
22 days ago

Underneath all the justifications there are some ancient grudges against the Russians and Persians. Scratch an Eastern European Jewish neo-con like Kagan hard enough – and there are old resentments against his people’s ancient enemies. The rest is just greed and excuses.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Maxda
22 days ago

There are over half a million dead or seriously wounded white guys in Ukrainian dirt because of a handful of neocons in the Biden Administration. And now they want US military grunts to die in Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran on their behalf. At some point, the cannon fodder must turn around and point their guns at the real enemy. No GI should ever fight to keep tyrants in power killing innocent women and children. That is not honorable duty. “No sir, I will not obey that illegal order.”

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Whiskey
Whiskey
22 days ago

Iran is not immune to moral problems. There are periodic protests, often mass protests. Mostly by young people desiring more sexual freedom and the end of restrictions on women’s dress, sexuality, and so on. In one infamous incident, a young woman protester was shot in the head and killed by the religious police. The religious police are mostly despised in urban areas, no surprise they are also corrupt and they are hated in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia by the younger people. Technology, particularly mass media, consumerism, and professional urbanization seem even in Islamic nations to erode the… Read more »

btp
Member
22 days ago

Well, Iran also shows us that what comes next might very well be what came before. Americans and atheists, but I repeat myself, simply cannot conceive of a system where the legitimacy of the regime is determined by how it attends to the business of the peace and the faith – which was the old term for what the authorities were doing as they looked out for the health of the Body of Christ. We can’t have that, you know, because we discovered the steam engine or because we didn’t encounter God when our guys went to space or whatever.… Read more »

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  btp
22 days ago

The west has its problems for sure
Try living in any Islamic dominated place as anything but whatever the state religion happens to be & see how it works out for you.

Paul Gottfried
Paul Gottfried
Reply to  Spingerah
22 days ago

Or try driving in British style in the US freeways?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Spingerah
22 days ago

Try speaking of negro stupidity in your workplace and see how that works out for you.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Spingerah
22 days ago

Try suggesting to an Iranian hospital that they chop off little boys penises and see what they say

Alan Schmidt
22 days ago

>  In the West, democracy is a moral end in itself, but the result is endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths. 

There is a parody government in the game Hellraisers 2 called “Managed Democracy” which is clearly a hard-line dictatorship in a democratic veneer. The Starship Troopers like soldiers are talking about defending this government from the aliens who are invading.

The characters in that game act less ridiculous than our your average shit-lib.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Alan Schmidt
22 days ago

It’s “Helldivers 2,” not “Hellraisers 2.”

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Alan Schmidt
21 days ago

Oh, there’s plenty of poz in Helldivers 2.

For starters, just look at the positively Kalergian crewmembers of the starships.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
22 days ago

Iran is always going to be a regional hegemon. It’s economy alone dictates that. It is a crime against logic that we don’t ditch the “mad mullah” BS talk and engage the Iranians. We let bygones be bygones with Vietnam. Why not make peace with Iran unless we are directly controlled by our overlords in Tel Aviv? That proves who really runs our government thanks to AIPAC dollars. We’ve never fought a war against the Persians, unless you count Operation Nimble Archer and the tanker wars in the late 1980s. I know the Obama administration tried, but the predictable neocons… Read more »

ray
ray
22 days ago

Modern America has nothing to do with Scriptural Christianity. It is its antithesis. The U.S. idols are (disastrous and hypocritical) egalitarianism, drawn directly from Jacobin France via egalite. Not exactly a traditional sire, eh? The other idols are reason and ‘democracy’, which are inherited from the Enlightenment, not from Christianity. In cultural practice, America is a feminist society . . . all institutions are controlled by collective female power. Its men are spiritual and ethical weaklings, ruled over by their wives and daughters. Again — the antithesis of Scriptural Christianity, which via Pauline refinement is expressly patriarchal and hierarchical, not… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
22 days ago

The Bible provides the moral foundation and guardrails the majority accepted and embraced. But sometime in the last century that all changed. The Bible is now so yesterday, today’s progressive knows much better and we’d all better get on board or else. Don’t be a hater, don’t you know?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  usNthem
21 days ago

Of course European Christians are suspect. If they get together as a nation, they might start putting bug powder in the showers.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
22 days ago

Let’s say there exists an American nation; ie whites that have ties to pre ww2 America. I think you could rightly call them a nation. But that’s another topic. Let’s say that nation became self conscious and kicked everyone else out of North America.

would there be a throne and altar? You’re still stuck with a “mere Christianity” scenario at best and then its back to muh constitution and smarty pants like Thomas too cool for religion Jefferson.

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Carrie
Carrie
Reply to  Hi-ya!
22 days ago

Most here will probably disagree (fine by me), but the “mere Christianity” needs to be changed to Catholicism. [cue moans and eye rolls] And I am not talking about the f*ggotFwancisChurch of Novus Ordo. I’m talking about the Traditional Church where women wear modest clothes, men wear suits, etc. to Mass, and out of the house. And where the population is only White, Christian, and has European [prove-able?] blood roots. I’m also talking about the idea of an elected monarchy, wherein the local peoples (maybe we keep the king’s ruling area to, oh, let’s say the combined size of TX… Read more »

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ray
ray
Reply to  Hi-ya!
22 days ago

Jefferson hated Christ and expressed that often.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hi-ya!
21 days ago

Mere Christianity did us fine until the Puritan wackjobs got involved, both before and after. Abolition and Social Gospel.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
22 days ago

That’s an interesting elucidation of Iranian government. Sounds like they’ve got a pretty good system. As for government and politics in AINO, a couple of quibbles. First, I don’t consider defeating global communism to have been part of the progressive project. The Left in America prior to the rise of the New Left was ambivalent on this matter. They certainly were not, in the main, pinkos. However, there were plenty of fellow travelers and anti-anti commies. I guess one could say they were soft on communism. It was conservatives, generally a weak and feckless tribe, who did the heavy lifting… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

You are confusing the process of reasoning with reality. Progressives certainly reason from their premises. But there is no guarantee their premises comport with reality.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  c matt
22 days ago

Can one properly reason from irrational premises, or does an irrational substrate doom the erstwhile cogitatio to the chaotic modality?

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
21 days ago

Answer: oh yes, “reason” need not be grounded in rationality.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  rasqball
21 days ago

Why the scare quotes around reason? Is the reason you speak of not actually reason?

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
21 days ago

You strike me as a reasonable man, and good on ya, brother, but I hold that, under scrutiny, outside of (lab) cultured intellectual processes, there is no such thing as reason, quotes or no, and we kid ourselves supposing otherwise.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  rasqball
21 days ago

Interesting. Do you have a better term to describe the process by which we put two and two together and figure out that the earth rotates ’round the sun rather than the reverse?

Greg Nikolic
22 days ago

Progressive thinkers who have abandoned Christianity are still wedded to secular humanism, a form of morality that puts human well-being at the forefront of the list of priorities. The support for trans people and extreme feminism is the icing on the cake as far as they’re concerned. The notions that animate progressivism are ever-expanding, a buffet table of wishful desserts. What is “in” one year is added on by two “in”s the next year. It’s impossible to fully satisfy the progressive heart. 💓 Left in limbo by society and driven to make changes, he gathers with like-minded rabble-rousers and takes… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Greg Nikolic
22 days ago

Yup.

Vizzini
Member
21 days ago

while for the last thirty years the West has been searching for a new god to replace the old one.

And a new devil.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
22 days ago

The traditional Catholic understanding of the relationship of Church and State is the “two swords” philosophy, wherein the state has certain functions as does the Church. The state functions are always circumscribed by the Church’s moral teachings while the Church supports the State as long as the State operates within those boundaries. This relationship was always problematic, since rulers typically concern themselves with acquiring more wealth and power whereas the Church is intent on promoting virtue and holiness among its flock (including the rulers). The potential for clashes is obvious and they were frequent. The liberal ideology that replaced the… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Dutchboy
22 days ago

Real Christianity is rare in modern America. The supposed churches are modernized and feminized, and have nothing to do with Scriptural Christianity.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutchboy
21 days ago

What we forget is Anglicanism- created specifically to go around those Catholic moral boundaries, as Henry wanted to divorce. Although both King James and the Founders were Masons, they were also British subjects beholden to the Church of England.

stranger in a strange land
stranger in a strange land
22 days ago

The penultimate paragraph is as brilliant, pragmatic, and pithy a statement of Iran v USA as I can imagine.
Ironically, Iran may end up being governed somewhat like shah Pahlavi envisioned – sans the Western decadence & decay.
BTW – great book on the fall of the shah – The Fall of Heaven.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
22 days ago

The “great question” of our Age is whether a society can maintain order and morality while advancing enough technologically to increase living standards and keep everyone happy. Iran is perhaps the most interesting case study in this regard. Which is why they are trying to destroy it……..

Templar
Templar
22 days ago

Even so, the fact that Iran has survived as a democratic theocracy provides a clue for how American progressivism could survive as well

Seems more like a clue as to how America can survive the extinction of progressivism.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Templar
21 days ago

Considering the knotty complexities of Islamic religious law, based as it is on the tall tales of the Koran and the rumors of hadith and sunna, I’d say both you and Zman have a point.

N.S. Palmer
22 days ago

For individuals, the basic moral question is “what kind of person do I choose to be?” For nations, the basic political question is “what kind of society do we choose to have?” “In the end, we face every day the question posed by American Founder Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper #1: ‘whether societies of men are really capable of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force.’ The answer is equivocal. We can establish morality (and good government) by reflection and choice, but our choices… Read more »

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  N.S. Palmer
22 days ago

“N.S. Palmer is an American mathematician. He worked as a policy analyst on Capitol Hill and has written for numerous publications including The Jerusalem Post and The Jewish Journal of Los Angeles.”

kerdasi amaq
kerdasi amaq
22 days ago

The American empire: always looking for monsters to slay.

Vizzini
Member
21 days ago

 endless debates over what will be temporarily viewed as timeless truths

Nice turn of phrase.

trackback
22 days ago

[…] ZMan explains it all to you. […]

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
22 days ago

Although I only listened to it in the car, and it really needs closer attention, this is the subject of McIntyre s after virtue.

here’s an example of what one mat call piety:

…we have strongly exhorted (the faithful of France) to increase their love and efforts in defence of the Catholic faith and likewise of their native land: two duties of paramount importance, and from which, in this life, no man can exempt himself. 

Leo XIII, Au Milieu Des Sollicitudes: On the Church and State  in France (1892) 

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Hi-ya!
21 days ago

Hmmm… Let’s see how that gambit played out…

France by the Laws of July 5, 1904: “Fuck you, Leo XIII, and the horse you rode in on and also you’re dead now so fuck Pius X too.

After that’s all She (Marianne, herself) Wrote.

Fin.

vladdy
Member
21 days ago

A democracy? But “Dear Leader” is selected by a council of islamic politicians. And I wonder what the women, in particular, who actually get “beaten up” on if they show a lock of hair….would say.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  vladdy
21 days ago

They’re probably happier with their lot than you’d imagine. Perhaps happier even than the neurotic harridans who maraud across the western hellscape.