The Last Zionist

Lost in the excitement of Trump’s proposed cabinet appointment is the lack of neocons in the list of foreign policy names. There are plenty of pro-Israel people, no doubt suggested by the Israel Lobby. It is rather clear that Trump made a deal with The Lobby in exchange for their support in the general election. All his proposed foreign policy people are Iran hawks, except for Gabbard. Otherwise, it is looking like an Israel first foreign policy shop under Trump.

It is important to note that the neocons are not part of The Lobby. They may have a lot of things in common, but they are different gangs with different agendas. The neocons are not Zionists. In fact, they come out of the anti-Zionist intellectual sphere with roots in international communism. The neocons are happy to work with the Zionists and the Israel Lobby when it suits their interests and vice-versa. As we saw under Biden, they are also happy to work against the Zionists as well.

To some degree, Trump’s victory is due to the Biden administration making the strategic blunder of prioritizing Ukraine over Israel after October 7, 2023. Israel looked at that Hamas attack as the opportunity to settle issues dating back to the Six-Day War, when Israel controlled much of the land that the Zionist consider part of Greater Israel but was given up in order to make peace. Netanyahu also imagined a regional war, drawing in the United States to topple the Iranian regime.

Instead, the Biden admin worked to prevent a full-blown regional war, often choking off support to Israel, at least in the view of The Lobby. It turned out that the “arsenal of democracy” did not have enough arms for both Israel and Ukraine, so the neocons running the Biden administration chose to favor Ukraine. Further, The Lobby thought the Biden administration failed to handle the anti-Israel protests that broke out at elite college campuses after Israel launched war on Gaza.

The result was The Lobby backed Trump over Harris and Trump committed to prioritizing Israel over all else in his foreign policy. This is one reason the neocons are escalating in Ukraine and will continue to do so. They think it could tie down the Trump administration in Ukraine and prevent them from delivering on Iran. Again, there is no love lost between the neocons and The Lobby. Contrary to what some believe, these are not two faces of the same collective hive-mind.

This does not change the fact that the neocons are headed for the political wilderness come January. While legacy conservatism would welcome them back, the future of what we call the right is anti-neocon and increasingly anti-interventionalist. The neocons have slithered back to their home on the side we call the left, but they will run into the same problem they now find with the so-called right. The groups in that coalition have little interest in the neocon agenda.

Despite Trump’s commitment to the project, it is not all good news for Israel, or the vast support network called The Israel Lobby. The main problem is the political instability within Israel that could blow up before Trump takes office. Protests against Netanyahu are a regular feature in Israel. Netanyahu is slowly losing the judicial fight surrounding his many corruption probes. Then you have the hardliners in his coalition, who are gaining power as he struggles to maintain his position.

Making matters worse is the fact that it may no longer be possible to bully Iran with the threat of military strikes. The tit-for-tat between Israel and Iran revealed serious flaws in Iranian security, but it also revealed newfound military prowess by Iran. On the one hand, Iran’s missile and drone program is far more advanced than what had been assumed until this exchange. On the other hand, her air defense capabilities are also much better, largely due to Russian assistance.

Then you have the withering of support for Israel in America. The Lobby has roots going back to the middle of the last century, where it capitalized on certain events in the Second World War to build a vast network of support for Israel. Much of this rested on the sense that the Jews deserved special consideration due to what happened to them in the war. Demographic change and the actuarial tables are slowly eroding this base of support, both politically and morally.

Taken together, the ground is shifting underneath the feet of The Lobby, as the state of Israel succumbs to its own demographic revolution and the conditions in the Middle East change to reflect the reality of the multipolar world. The Lobby might not fear the sight of an American carrier on fire in the Persian Gulf, but the Trump people certainly do, and they will have to adjust to this possibility. As with many other things, Trump may be a transitional figure regarding American Zionism.

Put another way, the Zionists may be about to follow the neocons into the political wilderness, despite having their guys in the White House. American Zionism, like neoconservatism, is a creature of the last century. It evolved for conditions that are slowly fading into the history books. Like so much of American politics, it has failed to adapt to the new reality. Just as the Biden administration was the last gasp of neoconservatism, Trump may be the last gasp for American Zionism.

That does not mean the end of Israel or The Lobby. Unlike neoconservatism, Zionism and Israel have a future. There is no interest in the “destruction of Israel’ within the Arab world or among its new friends in the multipolar order. Israel can maintain itself, even without the unlimited support of America. Zionism and The Lobby simply must adapt to the reality of the multipolar world and the changing role of the American empire as it slowly returns to being a normal country.

While Trump could turn out to be the last Zionist in the old school sense of it, he could also become the first Zionist in the new sense of it. On the other hand, if he fumbles the problem of Iran, he could simply be the last American Zionist. The images of an American carrier on fire in the Persian Gulf would signal then end of public support for Israel and The Lobby. Either way, Donald Trump is most likely the last of the old school Zionist presidents and the last gasp of this version of The Lobby.


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Hun
Hun
23 days ago

Israel can maintain itself, even without the unlimited support of America.

I doubt that, even if their neighbors decide to let them be (a big ‘if’), their demographic reality will destroy them sooner or later.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Hun
23 days ago

As I noted in my comment, there are rumors that several hundred thousand Jews have already migrated to other countries – probably most to the US, unfortunately. A survey in the summer found that one in four Jews is considering leaving, and you can bet that most of these are secular Ashkenazi Jews. If even a quarter of those considering leaving actually do leave, the demographics of Israel will change even more quickly.

Israel is going to become a very different place over the next 20 or 30 years.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Hun
23 days ago

Yes, Israel’s demography would be ok if it were evenly distributed…But it’s almost all Orthodox and especially ultra Orthodox…The ashkenazi who rule the place have a very low birth rate, and many of them have left the country, which started this war with less than 7 million jews..so Israel is going to be ruled by the far right, who think God has given them the right to conquer everything in the area, and that is suicide..

Diversity Heretic
Member
23 days ago

I’m skeptical that Israel, at least as something resembling its present form, can exist in the Levant without a whole lot of US support. While the leaders in many Arab states are willing to accomodate Israel, the populations of those same Arab states are outraged by Israeli conduct in Gaza, south Lebanon, Syria and what’s likely going to happen in the West Bank. Israel’s fate is likely to resemble that of the medieval Crusader kingdoms.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
23 days ago

I’ve long thought the same although the Kingdom of Jerusalem wasn’t full of nukes. The reality of maintaining a distant Middle Eastern outpost surrounded by hostile neighbors is eerily similar, though.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
23 days ago

Their willingness to accommodate Israel strikes me more as a willingness to accommodate the US which by default means they have to accept that if they want to get along with the US they have to realize it comes as a package deal with the retarded kid brother

usNthem
usNthem
23 days ago

The faster the neocons, the lobby and Israel fade away, the better, as they’re doing their damndest to kick off WW3 and get it spiraling out of control. Although what they think they’d gain if nukes start flying is beyond me.

Epaminondas
Member
23 days ago

Think of Israel as a melting ice cube. Iran, through its proxies, is applying the heat very slowly, but steadily. As the Israelites (love that term) come under increased pressure from their various enemies, they are beginning to have doubts about their future. Tens of thousands have already left Israel for good. This will accelerate in the coming year. The reason I say this is because the Israelites have spilled too much innocent Arab blood for there ever to be any rapprochement. Revenge is best served cold, and the Iranians and their proxies have nothing but time on their hands.… Read more »

Last edited 23 days ago by Epaminondas
Alan Schmidt
Reply to  Epaminondas
23 days ago

It would be wild if, instead of the strikes in Palestine making the inhabitants abandon their hime, it’s the Israelites who abandon ship.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Epaminondas
23 days ago

It’s the other side of the “two-passport issue”. Israel always liked it because it gave them an ocean of double agents to work with, but it also meant that all their citizens could pull up stakes at the sign of any inconvenience.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
23 days ago

Talking about “The Lobby” is like discussing ways to address the US National Debt: everyone knows it’s a problem, everyone is powerless to make the smallest change to anything because it’s career suicide.

A carrier hit would rattle both the warhawks and the spendthrifts (carriers are expensive). Rumors were that USN Abraham Lincoln was damaged by the Houthis in the Arabian Sea last week. Incredible claims require incredible evidence; public reports are that it quietly withdrew from the area after being untouched.

War is deception. Who the heck knows.

Ulithi
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

“”The images of an American carrier on fire in the Persian Gulf would signal the end of public support for Israel..”” wishful thinking. More than likely it would produce the opposite result.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ulithi
22 days ago

Please change your screen name, that’s where the futzing begins. It must be a link, I think?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

5,000 sailors on those ships, maybe even 6. No way to keep them all quiet if she took a hit. This is also why I discount theories of TWA 800 being shot down by a naval missile. Not as many crew on a Tico cruiser, but same principle. Not that I believe the official story on TWA 800, but that’s another subject.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  ProZNoV
23 days ago

All the signs are that there was a major fire on the deck and the carrier went into drydock for repairs…

Mycale
Mycale
23 days ago

The IDF has proven it can do little more than drop bombs on apartment complexes and snipe pregnant women in the belly. The US Navy has spent a year struggling to fend off a bunch of guys living in tents in the desert. Everybody except for the US Congress and Rupert Murdoch hates Netanyahu (this includes Donald Trump) and Zionists are, let’s say, not what they used to be. Ben Shapiro was groomed at a very early age to step up on a day like 10/7/2023, and instead he blew up his whole operation, revealing himself to be little more… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Mycale
23 days ago

For my whole conscious life, from their attack on “Jewish Princess” until this afternoon, the ADL has been a single relentless censorship demand. They swing their death ray around at everybody, often seemingly at random—why Steam now?—but it’s always on. It’s Steam now because the post-election pro-censorship propaganda theme is “bro.” Tech bro, passport bro, etc. The “gamer bro” is alleged to exist. The phrase does, though the phenomenon doesn’t. It’s a Twitter woman meme, and the regime is Twitter-woman-brained. Also, Steam is the *other* big privately held company—regarded as one man’s toy, like Twitter is—that doesn’t censor *everything*. Of… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Hemid
23 days ago

I pretty much agree, but it’s funny how the ADL thinks the solution to this “antisemitism on Steam” problem is to censor on Steam. I say it is funny because of course the people on Steam know exactly what is going on and not a single person on Steam is going to become “less antisemitic” (whatever that means in practice) because Jonathan Greenblatt started mandating speech codes in the platform they use and enjoy as is. Indeed, it seems like the ADL’s job is not to eliminate antisemitism but perpetuate it. It would certainly be in step with many prominent… Read more »

Mr. House
Mr. House
23 days ago

Zman,

Something goofy going on with your comment section, text looks faded, like it sat out too long in the sun.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

This redaction courtesy of your local NSA/CIA cooperative.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
23 days ago

It could be. This site must be on the radar

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Mr. House
23 days ago

This happened to me last week. I was away from my desk for a few hours, I came back and I thought for a minute my screen had failed. Weird. Never seen anything like it.

Tom K
Tom K
Reply to  Mr. House
23 days ago

I noticed the blurred out images one day last week (Thursday?) Also, the comment button was disabled. When I tried to comment it took me to a page full of text. Today the up/downvote buttons are missing.

David Wright
Member
23 days ago

If there is anything that keeps me up at night it is the thought of the Israeli Samson option. You know they will if cornered.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  David Wright
23 days ago

If I recall correctly, Samson’s feat of strength destroyed the Philistine temple, his captors, and also HIMSELF.

Greg Nikolic
23 days ago

Israel is nothing without the United States. All its best weaponry and the specialized training required to maximize the jets and artillery stem from the Lower 48 States. Moreover, the U S. shares vital intelligence with Jerusalem, both human Intel (CIA) and satellite (NSA). And yet it is America that acts like the client-state of Israel, not the other way around. There is a psychological setup going on whereby Israel is seen as the prodigy child, to be handled with kid gloves, and Uncle Sam is the doting father. The child is to be accommodated. What else can explain U.S.… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
22 days ago

While I await moderation, I also don’t think its probable that Trump is allowed to take office. The neo-cons may not win more than 50% abroad, but they never ever lose at home. Project Ukraine cannot be allowed to be canceled. Blackrock and State Street have all that land to get, along with administering the trillions of reconstruction money. Victoria Nuland’s feelings are not interested in your facts. [She is interested in another doughnut however]. All sorts of “recounting” can be done to declare Harris the winner. Moreover, the Generals and Admirals facing loss of the security clearances and firings,… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Whiskey
22 days ago

Elsewhere on this thread I agree with your assessment, Whiskey. (I remember you from ‘manosphere’ days going way back.) The missiles fired into Russia are very suspicious as to timing, and the period between now and inauguration day is as dangerous as any the nation ever has faced, in all its history. The Swamplings — both the neocons and the entrenched Left — are desperate to hold onto power and to keep their nefarious activities hidden and without consequences. They likewise are desperate to hold onto their fat, cushy positions. Martial law, election theft, or some other outrageous tactic definitely… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
22 days ago

Z-Man — I don’t think Israel can or will live in peace with its neighbors. Not because of Israel but Islam. Muslims are not like White people. Polygamy, Big Man-ism, tribal raiding societies make their behavior completely alien to White people. That is why (no offense) you can’t imagine JIHAD as the total organizing principle of most Muslims. Take the Oct 7 raids. What White guy on a raid has dragged off howling young women to be their sex slave since at least the Christianization of Europe? Can you imagine someone in the 1917 Punitive Expedition into Mexico with Pershing… Read more »

Buck
Buck
22 days ago

Most of you MF’ers don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or what’s going to happen. Anybody can guess…. but what’s that worth?

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Buck
22 days ago

Damn bro why you got to play us like dat. Just spitballin’

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago

OT:

The Nation just posted a story claiming Trump is now behind in the popular vote count. Is anyone else seeing anything about this?

Here we go again….another 4 years of fun….

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
23 days ago

They must be framing his dropping down to 49.9% of the popular vote as “losing” the popular vote. He’s still ahead by more than 2.5 million votes.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Some extremely black-pilled cynics predicted that this year’s steal would be to conceal a landslide, not to beat it. Looks like that’s what’s happened.

Best of both worlds for the regime. Trump, political symbol of the normal man, doesn’t *really* win, but the “counter-elite” (not a thing) does, and Trump is their cover to commit all the horrors they desire.

We’re all gonna get laid! In prison!

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Hemid
22 days ago

“We’re all gonna get laid! In prison!”

It ain’t gay if:

“It’s the TSA”

“At Sea”

“Prison.”

Jimmiewague
23 days ago

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mikew
mikew
23 days ago

Ken Adelman (Iraq cakewalk) , RIchard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Douglas Feith (General Franks called him the dumbest guy on the planet, Office of Special Plans under Rumsfeld) and more. These were the people that were first exposed to me at least, under the term neocon. Every damn one of them was also an Israel Firster. Very close to Zionist if not Zionist adjacent. This is three straight days of posting that neocons and Zionists are totally different animals. Actually not that different. All neocons are Israel First.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  mikew
23 days ago

Even if there is some distinction between them, it’s all the same to me in that they view America as a vehicle to carry out their foreign interest/aims. Both are at best disinterested in what is in America’s interest and both at worst are deliberately trying to destroy the US. Both sets should be sent to the same concentration camp and be met with equal justice.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
23 days ago

No please not the rectal steam blasters
Have you no heart, man

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
22 days ago

Sorry about that, Z audience

Pissed at Gates of Vienna for sobbing and wailing about what a threat Islam is to European Jewry

There wasn’t this much tearing of hair about the European Europeans, I notice

Perhaps we should timidly ask all the Barbara Spectres about those passenger boats

I actually wanted to thank the Zman for such a satisfying examination of the crazy but my bile gets the best of me

(then of course the site futzed, damn those Mossads)

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
22 days ago

Gate of Vienna is notoriously a kosher-right site.

It was GoV that made me aware of the kosher capture of the dissident, anti-immigration sphere in Scandinavia, and their efforts to re-direct anti-immigration sentiment onto hating on the Mohammadans.

They were in this circle of “far right” websites who all linked to each other and never to anything outside. That’s how I Noticed what Mark Steyn, Douglas Murray, Gaad Saad and Tommy Robinstein were all about; it was always these same guys they quoted and featured in their blogs and pieces.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
23 days ago

Generational change is worth discussing here. Netanyahu is old. The Ayatollah is even older. Amazingly, the median age in Israel is below Iran’s (29 vs. 31) and its fertility rate is much higher than Iran’s, although Iran’s population dwarfs Israel’s (84M vs. 10M). So we’re on the cusp of enormous cultural and demographic change. Iran and Turkiye have the same population but Turkiye is 3x wealthier and we here would consider Turkiye poor. So it’s just inevitable that Iran will have to focus on economic development and that Israel will get less bellicose as the ultra-Orthodox become demographically dominant. This… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Captain Willard
23 days ago

The ultra-Orthodox don’t seem too peaceful. As they become the dominant group in Israel, the country will become more dysfunctional and bellicose. Israel will also seem stranger to western eyes and even the Ashkenazi Jews in the West.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

The ultra-orthodox also don’t fight. They demand other people do the fighting for them while they study the Talmud. So, I don’t know how you square that circle. I don’t know what Israel looks like as a country with a vastly higher ultra-Orthodox population but it will be a much different one than exists today.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
23 days ago

“The job of the US should be to catalyze the process.”

Why should that be the US’s job? Can’t we, for once, keep our noses out of stuff and let other nations solve their own problems?

RedBeard
RedBeard
Reply to  Captain Willard
23 days ago

The best course to peace would be that both countries stop denying a risen Christ.

ray
ray
Reply to  RedBeard
22 days ago

Works for me.

TomA
TomA
23 days ago

Trump is a product of Queens NY and, as such, bravura is in his blood. But he is no real brawler like the boys from the Bronx. He talks a good game, but negotiation is his aim. So yes, he cut deals with the Lobby and Biden to get reelected and that will be his MO going forward. With Putin, the only real path forward is a new European security framework in which Russia gets its needs met and the West still gets limited access to Ukrainian resources. In the ME, Netanyahoo must go and the Palestinians must get a… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  TomA
22 days ago

The danger is between now and inauguration. Globohomo is not known for losing gracefully, and they may well incite WW3 to keep Donald from assuming power. Declaration of martial law by no means is beyond them.

Pootin of course preferred a Kamala win, as Trump’s past term demonstrated strong state-of-Israel backing, and Kammie would be a powderpuff, figurehead Commander in Chief. She knows zilch about global military strategy, meaning the current Usual Suspects would remain as decision-makers.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  ray
22 days ago

I’m not following you. Why would Putin want a continuation of whomever is behind the curtain, shipping arms to Ukraine, resulting in dead Russians?

Trump, OTOH. at least says he wants a deal. Putin says his terms are all the Donbas, Kursk, Crimea, and all the way to whatever oblast Odessa is in, NATO stays out of Ukraine, plus war reparations, the last of which which is the only negotiable part.

Trump doesn’t care about any of that, one way or the other.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

American Zionism diminishes every day, because every day the silents and boomers are dying. Xers aren’t as zionist, and the generations under them aren’t zionist at all. Jews gotta make hay while the sun shines. There is only so long they can hold congress captive to an agenda the voters reject. For now, enough voters are still on board. But fewer every day.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

Being Zionist largely depends on how you practice your religion, or lack thereof. I live in the South, and on Evangelical church grounds I see a lot of Israel flags sitting under American ones. There are also a lot of old Republicans. The priest at my Orthodox church even says “Judeo-Christian” every now and then. So from my vantage point, Zionism is alive and well. In fact Christianity is alive and well, despite all the claims I hear about it dying. But this is anecdotal of course. The one thing that will rid the US of Philosemitism is simply the… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Marko
23 days ago

I had a falling out with my church because I view the Jew-worship as excruciatingly non-scriptural.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
23 days ago

Any time I hear someone talk about “Judeo-Christian” values, I know to disregard whatever follows because they clearly aren’t Christians.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
22 days ago

I think you guys are taking this too literally. Why not build bridges when you can? There’s nothing wrong with emphasizing what we have in common.

Hokkoda
Member
23 days ago

Trump is doing the good cop bad cop thing with his nominations. His ultimate goal is probably an Israel-Iran peace treaty. If you want to kill the interventionists and neocons and MIC in one shot, negotiate a peace treaty. Time to take the candy away from the hyperactive children. Russia took a hit from those new missiles, reports say. I think they’ll absorb these hits as basically mosquito bites knowing that the regime in Washington is trying to provoke a European wider war. Putin will wait out Biden and deal with Trump. Trump can deflate the Ukrainian Army by stopping… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Hokkoda
23 days ago

I think you are correct about russia. the unspoken fact is that the ukrainians have very few of these missles in country. like much of what we have “given ” them, many are still in the “pipeline”

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  miforest
23 days ago

Think of the ATACMS missiles like the German V2 rockets at the end of WW2. The V2’s were mostly a terror weapon by 1945.

My advice to Trump would be to flip the script on Ukraine. Meet with Putin. Hold the warmongers accountable. Set up bilateral teams to deescalate the situation and investigate some of the terror attacks.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
Reply to  Hokkoda
23 days ago

I think Putin is astute to know that a new sheriff will be in town come January 20 and that starting a war would be unnecessary. My guess is a peace deal will give the Donbass and Crimea and any other seized land with ethnic Russians to the Russians, ban Ukraine from joining NATO and transform Ukraine into a landlocked rump state with a military that can’t threaten the Russians.

That’s a good deal for us. It’s a shame we wasted billions over there and likely much of those funds were skimmed by the Ukies, who are absurdly corrupt.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
23 days ago

One positive from Ukrainian conflict may be a wake up to the deficiencies in our military technology via a vis our potential adversaries.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
23 days ago

Dr. Toboggan – agreed, and the sooner that deal is worked out the better. 1/21/2025 would be good.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
23 days ago

100%. That may be why Trump has been so silent. He’s probably already told Putin that this thing is going to spin down rapidly.

Member
23 days ago

I think that Chronic Bagel Fatigue is starting to have an effect on the younger Normies. People are just tired of them, and their constant demands. Like I said the other day, the Trump Administration can appoint Iran hawks, but with the President-elect stating that he intends to declare an emergency with respect to the illegal invasion and the open border, and use the armed forces, as is his duty as Commander-in-Chief, that means the forces available to make war on Iran for Bagel Land won’t be there. Not when the forces needed are deployed to the Rio Grande, where… Read more »

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  Pickle Rick
23 days ago

This view makes the most sense, and is likely what Trump is thinking. However, the argument from sanity may fail unless Trump has predetermined that he will never go to war with Iran no matter what and the “no matter what” fails to sway him in the coming year. Israel and Netanyahu are desperate and delusional over existential problems, and they believe that getting America to defeat Iran will solve all their problems. Contra Z-Man, Scott Ritter believes Israel is already dead due to economic and demographic factors. Per Douglas MacGregor, sanity does not go above two star generals in… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  terranigma
22 days ago

“Judge Napolitano’s crew has dug up dirt on Tulsi Gabbard…”

Of course they have. Whether or not there was dirt, they would have found it.

Seriously, have you read any of the drivel from people like Aaron Mate? This guy is about as credible as Adam Schiff.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Pickle Rick
23 days ago

Even if CBF (Chronic Bagel Fatigue) takes over the mainstream, there’s still lots going on in the shadows we won’t know about. So if some J-Lobby clout can’t make it rain missiles on Iran, you can bet that Trump’s Zionists will be engineering all kinds of back room schemes. In fact, it’s the Bagel’s natural habitat.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
23 days ago

It would be cool to see our entire European and Asian garrisons transferred first down to Fort Bliss and then to a whole series of new border forts. We’ve spent decades patrolling the Korean DMZ and playing kindergarten cop in Kosovo. Time to mind our own border.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Pickle Rick
23 days ago

The military won’t follow any *Trumpian* orders, so that border stunt is getting canceled, probably to be replaced with an “electronic wall” or whatever—an e-shock-collar on everyone (except regime-aligned aliens). Thiel will celebrate this accomplishment of his life’s work by dying of meth piss inhalation.

The military *will* go at Iran, because it wants to. If Trump wants to ride along, they’ll let him. Not his army.

Dutch Boy
Dutch Boy
23 days ago

So we get WWII courtesy of the Christian Zionists rather than the Neocons? A distinction without much of a difference, sez me.

ray
ray
23 days ago

‘To some degree, Trump’s victory is due to the Biden administration making the strategic blunder of prioritizing Ukraine over Israel after October 7, 2023.’ To a minor degree, perhaps. The election of Trump was much more a rebuke of the southern open border, and of the deliberate tanking of the economy (and the dollar) in order to destroy America and Build Back Better, i.e., install the totalitarian NWO. Ironically, Trump kicked off the ruination of the economy by shilling his disastrous Operation Warp Speed poison vax program. How quickly the sheeple forget. Small business was decimated by resultant ludicrous vax… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  ray
23 days ago

I’m open to the possibility that voters simply reject women presidents, any women presidents, and this is what propelled Trump to the WH both times. And factored into why he lost the other time. I have always said Trump didn’t win 2016 on policy, he won because he faced the most odious major party candidate of modern times. Maybe any times. I think there may have been something of a repeat of that in 2024, when he faced another anointed, entitled candidate who had no substance whatsoever. Who both happened to be women. This could also hamstring the Democrat party… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

“…I’m open to the possibility that voters simply reject women presidents, any women presidents,…” Count on it. If one looks at all other political positions, we see women’s inclusion grow. A female in the Presidency is one of the Leftist’s top prizes. What we’ve seen really is a selection of candidates—Clinton and Harris—who were woefully inadequate to the job. Clinton, aside from being evil, was bitchy. Harris was a moron, and might be bitchy as well. They thought they’d push her in as a “twofer”. Then there is the confounding factor of Trump as an opponent. Trump is not known… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

Another long term weakness for the Ds is that in their quest for vaginocracy they will choose an underqualified woman over a better qualified man every time. Since it’s been at least 5 elections since they’ve held an honest primary without the DNC’s finger on the scale for their handpicked candidate.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

I was actually going to say that it would be a Rep as the first woman president, but then thought better as such would seem to contradict our continuing discussion as to demographic change and perhaps this “last hurrah” for the Rep’s with Trump.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

Compsci, there is plenty of reason to believe that mestizo and negro males are reluctant to vote for a woman. If the Ds persist in nominating women, and I believe they will, then this could keep the door open for the Rs for many years to come, in spite of the demographic changes

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
22 days ago

“…they will choose an underqualified woman over a better qualified man every time.”

They will also select an empty-headed woman over a better-qualified woman who disagrees with the current DNC talking points in the slightest.

I’m skittish about Tulsi, but there was no more qualified of the DNC candidates when she ran for Prez. She just had misgivings about 3rd trimester abortions, so she had to go.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
23 days ago

The Ds had a decent female presidential candidate, but they ran her out of the party.

No, Tulsi is not perfect, but she’s worlds better than completely awful candidates like Clinton and Harris.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Actually, although you’d never know it unless you lived here and knew the person, ex-senator Kyrsten Sinema—who was driven out also—might have been a good candidate. She of all the Dem’s I’ve ever known was a true independent and never really a politically ambitious, pompous ass. We’d use her, when she was a legislator in the State House to promote pro-gun legislation. Yep, she was the local go-to person for gun rights. She simply refused to toe the party line when it got in her way. For example, she preserved the filibuster while in the Senate and her party went… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
23 days ago

Agreed. The Demoncraps were SO obsessed with shooing a FIRST TIME FEMALE! into office and MAKING HISTORY! that they ran Hilderbeest, a witch that all sane people despise, and then Klooless Kamala the second time. . . a totally incompetent candidate. If the Dems had run any kind of reasonable person, they probably would have won both races. But the base of the party is the Empowered Single Woman, and their intransigence and rigidity — dare I say sexism? lol — cost them both elections. They are their own worst enemy, and praise God for it. The kingdom of the… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  ray
23 days ago

Three wars. That was a huge factor. Nobody is fooled by what the regime is doing, but everyone feels powerless to stop the regime. So they voted for Trump. His coalition will grow as it becomes clear to Low Information Voters that he’s not actually Hitler like they were promised. Anti regime civil unrest I think is coming. That’s what DOGE, Trump’s other nominations, and the election really are: orderly civil unrest. It’s the other things you cited, too. But I’m married to a LIV who sometimes succumbs to the propaganda on her Apple phone news feed. She did a… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
23 days ago

Has a giant empire ever before acted in this manner on behalf of a small, theoretically separate, country? This is Britain throwing everything overboard for Belgium and Poland times ten with nukes and steroids on top

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
23 days ago

Who could’ve predicted that using universities & the entire media apparatus to villifiy White people as evil colonial nazis while simultaneously importing millions of brown people & labeling them moral saints would destroy support for israel in the west?

Its a real head scratcher to be sure. Clearly the solution to this debacle is to degrade the west even more, slaughter all the palestinians while everyone watches & act with extreme aggression towards the neighboring arab countries who are increasingly aligning themselves with the eastern superpowers. That’s a recipe for success if I’ve ever seen one.

Mycale
Mycale
23 days ago

Z, one of the commentators has a malformed URL in their username (accidental?) that is drawing a blurry large box in everything past it.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mycale
23 days ago

I’ve noticed that periodically, too. Very strange.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
23 days ago

Zman, something has happened to your page display.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

Yep, it gets blurry partially down the page sometimes. Sometimes not.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

I saw the same. Usually breaks around the commenter’s name.

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

By appearances, you had some plugin that blurred out the Minter & Richter Designs email address, and it was breaking when a specific commenter put their email address in their display name. This caused a “blocked” sort of blur div to cover all comments beneath that user name.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

Less functional, indeed. No up and downvotes, for one.

Pozymandias
Reply to  thezman
23 days ago

I was going to post somewhere that the up and down voting seems to have vanished. This seems like a good place to do that. At first I thought I had somehow logged out of the site. I see Ostei also noticed this though.

ray
ray
Reply to  Pozymandias
23 days ago

Same for my screen. Up and down vote option has disappeared, though the reply function remains intact.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Alzaebo
23 days ago

I saw the same thing the other day. Replies get blurry

Falcone
Falcone
23 days ago

Israel may have a future but it’s a bleak one

and I daresay, Master Zman, that your assumptions of Israel’s continued viability seem to be based on old ideas and realities of the prior century that no longer have much currency.

anyone know of the last time the Pope, of all people, had any words of condemnation for Israel? The last time the UN has charged any nation with genocide. ?

if Israel does manage to carry on, it will be in a much reduced and circumscribed form imo,

Last edited 23 days ago by Falcone
Mike
Mike
Reply to  Falcone
23 days ago

I read circumscribed as circumcised there a second.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Mike
23 days ago

Ha ha

I will admit, that was a reason behind my choice of the word.

Subliminal marketing!

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

Have no idea if this is true, but I heard that hundreds of thousands of Jews have already left Israel. A survey showed at one in four are considering leaving. And you can bet that these are the secular Ashkenazi Jews. I’d suspect that quite a few will eventually leave (terrible news for the US, btw), meaning that Israel is going to get real Orthodox, real fast.

Good luck with that.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
23 days ago

I have heard direct from the horse’s mouth that many are fleeing Europe and bidding up hi-rise values in Tel Aviv. The people who told me that, I came close to saying, “Barbara Lerner Spectre’s chickens coming home to roost.” I didn’t have the heart to say it. You aren’t going to convince people who are convinced the world is just bent against them for no reason otherwise. We’re all on our own now as collectives that is. Our people have a real challenge to shake off atomized individualism. I think all of them should find a way to hang… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

On the other hand, her air defense capabilities are also much better, largely due to Russian assistance

I was pondering this morning if the Team B Jews were growing increasingly hostile to the whole Ukraine adventure as Israel seems to be the only place getting punished for NATOs moves. With the Team A cultists/neocons trying desperately to fire up WWIII on their way out things could get spicy (but, of course, nothing ever happens).

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
23 days ago

I am certain this is true, and explains much about the Zionist support for Trump. The coming war with Iran would be considerably less fraught if Russia was on the sidelines, and they have the Trotskyites to blame that she isn’t.

Bill Washlaw
Bill Washlaw
23 days ago

The existence of “Israel” is entirely predicated on a deception regarding the origin of the word ‘jew’. America, being a nominally Christian nation, is easily deceived by this word-play because of constant (((Hollywood))) propaganda and brainwashing over the past century. The typical judeo-Christian (i.e. Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Lutheran etc etc), specifically those in modern mega churches, understands less about the Bible than they do about the so called “holocaust”. This is not only born from ignorance but as spiritual blindness foretold in Isaiah 6:9. A country predicated on the lie of being the homeland of the “jews” when the people… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Just as the Biden administration was the last gasp of neoconservatism, Trump may be the last gasp for American Zionism. Flooding the West with Third World savages has exacerbated the trend we see from polling and actuarial tables. Mass migration is a minor project of the Zionists but a far greater goal of the Neocons. The Zionists can take their foot off the accelerator on mass migration and the Neocons cannot, and that will prove to be a flashpoint between the groups very soon; in many ways it mirrors the tension between supporters of the Ukraine war and those who… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Please explain Iran’s being “far weaker than claimed.” Why do you say this?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Epaminondas
23 days ago

Ineffective air defenses, particularly, or at least ones that don’t live up to billing.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

Not what I heard but that could be wrong.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
23 days ago

My understanding is that Israel has not been able to lay a glove on Iran. My sources are people like Scott Ritter, Alastair Crooke, Douglas Macgregor, and Larry Johnson. All but one have security clearances and they all are very well connected with sources in the Mideast who know what is happening. I trust them over any media sources.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

Whatever it was, something spooked the Israelis and made them turn tail in their F-35Is and flee back to Israel. Smart money is that the Russian S-400s they reportedly supplied Iran with painted the best plane the GAE has.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

You’re believing the Yiddistani bullshit.