Deep State Nemisis

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One of the more difficult things for people to accept is that sometimes things happen that benefit no one and for reasons under no one’s control. Other than natural disasters, people just assume that everything happens for a reason and someone wanted it to happen because they gain to benefit from it happening. Conspiracy theories are born when it is not clear who made something happen. This need to know the who and why for everything gets filled by the conspiracy theory.

The collapse of Syria is a great example of this. Everyone just assumed this was another American regime change operation. Then we got stories about how it was the Turks who backed the rebels and wanted Assad gone. Once the Israelis started grabbing land, the usual suspects came in with their usual theories. There is even a theory that the Russians wanted Syria to collapse to create a quagmire for the Americans to manage in the Middle East.

All these theories make some sense, if you ignore the things that make no sense whatsoever, like the dangers of creating chaos in the region. The Israelis might be happy Assad is gone for emotional reasons, but having a bunch of Islamist warlords operating on their border just added a lot of new costs to their budget. The United States now has a new problem to manage. Guarding those Chevon oil fields suddenly got more expensive and more complicated.

Then you have the fact that there are many players on the Syrian board. Before you get to the big players, you have six factions within the rebel coalition. Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham, called HTS in Western media. They are backed by Turkey, Qatar, the CIA and led by a guy who looks like the main character from the move The Dictator. He wants to create an Islamic state in Syria. This group used to be called ISIS of Syria but now is pretending to be a kinder, gentler ISIS.

Remnants of the Assad Regime are now forming up in the Alawite areas they still control and presumably they will get support from Russia and Iran. Then there is FSA/SNA and allied groups, that have been supported by Turkey, Qatar, the U.S. State Department, and the CIA. The Kurds, called SDF, have the protection of the American military operating in the region. ISIS still exists, with backing of pro-Islamic forces, along with regional tribal and Islamic groups.

What we now have is an area a little bigger than the state of New York controlled by a collection of war lords that do not like one another very much. The most likely outcome of this arrangement is a civil war between the groups. The only reason anyone would want such an outcome is if they have no exposure to it. In other words, there is no reason to think that anyone wanted this outcome, at least none of the countries exposed to whatever comes out of Syria.

This brings us back to that default formula. Everything happens in the world for a reason because someone stands to benefit from it. The cost-benefit for everyone with an interest in Syria is already negative and promises to get much worse as things travel their natural course. In the end, someone might make something of it, but right now it is a chaotic mess. Who would want this result? The answer is no one because no one saw it as a possible outcome.

Instead of a game of four-dimensional chess, Syria is an example of the lack of second order thinking by the Turks and Americans. Since 2011 both sides have supported anti-Assad groups for different reasons. Erdogan is obsessed with the Kurds, who operate in Turkey, Syria and Iraq. The United States backed anti-Assad group because Assad was tight with Russia and Iran. Their goal was to put pressure on Russian and Iran with a slow bleed of Syria.

Based on the associated media campaign, it is clear the United States and Turkey thought this would be a repeat of past flare ups. The rebels would make some attacks, but the Syrian army would push them back. After all, the Syrian army was a quarter million men with the support of Russia and Iran. The rebels numbered around thirty thousand and lacked air power and modern equipment. Instead, the Syrian army collapsed and Russia and Iran did not come in to save them.

Like all large-scale human societies, Syria was a complex system made more complex by relentless pressure from outside. Those outside failed to appreciate this complexity, so they did not plan for what would come from it once they started making changes to the conditions in which that complex system existed. Like a bomb disposal crew randomly cutting wires, the whole thing blew up and now everyone with a connection to the region is scrambling to adjust to a new reality.

Instead of being an example of the cleverness needed for the popular explanations about why Syria collapsed, especially the more conspiratorial ones, Syria is an example of a lack of those things. No one seems to have understood what was happening inside the Syrian system and no one thought much about what could come from monkeying around with the conditions inside Syria. It is the result of a lack of second and third order thinking, not four-dimensional chess.

The thing about this situation is it should have been obvious to all concerned that collapse was a possibility even before the rebel attack. In other words, this scheme was obviously stupid, but the main players did it anyway. This is not the first time the United States has been this stupid. Libya, Tunisia, Egypt are three great examples of the same poorly conceived scheme. If not for the Egyptian military, the Muslim Brotherhood would be controlling most of North Africa.

It is a good reminder for those who love chanting about the Deep State. The same people who create these debacles around the Muslim world are making decisions about all sorts of things, foreign and domestic. In a complex world, the default assumption about why anything happens is Hanlon’s razor. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence, neglect, or ignorance.” What we are seeing In Syria is a combination of all three.


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Xman
Xman
1 hour ago

 “In other words, this scheme was obviously stupid, but the main players did it anyway.” Which explains how Western governments got ten million people killed in the trenches between 1914 and 1918 over nothing. The thing about the Deep State is not simply that it has tentacles and spooks trying to pull the strings. It does, and there are plenty of examples. The other main feature of the Deep State — or any exclusionary, hierarchical, bureaucratic structure that dispenses power and money — is that it is insular and self-referential, and anyone who voices a dissenting view is either punished… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Xman
48 minutes ago

‘Hell, it was like that in the academic world, which was supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas! What do you suppose it is like in the military, the intel community, or the State Department?’

Good point.

The colleges have been ideological tyrannies of feminism, homo-ism and P.C. for 4 decades now. This is entrenched and yes, it damn sure WAS and IS a conspiracy. D.C. is all of that, and ever-so-much more.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

It is a cluster, no doubt, and as images emerge of Christians being raped and murdered by clients of the United States government, Americans will grow even more hostile to its brutal and retarded Regime and Our Greatest Ally. But one group possibly does benefit from the chaos: those who want to destroy Europe and Western Civilization via mass migration. Human flight from Syria is about to get dialed up to 11. But even the Burn It All Down ghouls may get slipped a green weenie if a new burst of Syrian refugees further inflames European tensions over refugees. The… Read more »

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

The obvious solution is to restore the Sultan.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

Strange that Christian communities in this region stayed intact for over 1000 years under the Ottomans (supposedly a strange and hostile empire of primitive steppe people that toppled the last vestiges of Rome) and precursor states… yet as soon as the West and Fellow-West got its grimy mitts on these regions, the Christians were done for.

I do not say that as a fan of the Ottomans. But they seem to have been far better stewards of this region than whatever this current post-WW1 version of the west is. I guess it is Amalek thinking.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Mycale
1 hour ago

The Ottomans and then the French and British kept things relatively stable until 1948 and some people did some things.

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Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 hour ago

Unfortunately it seems that the US can stomach an infinite number of Christians being murdered/brutalized. I don’t recall that kind of thing sparking much outcry in my lifetime, let alone useful policy responses. Perhaps this is because the (((media))) goes out of its way to memory hole such events.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
55 minutes ago

Something I dramatically underestimated was the importance of Musk’s acquisition of Twitter/X. The images of the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Gaza have turned people sharply against Israel for the first time in our lives; TikTok is being banned for this reason despite other claims. The unfolding savagery in Syria cannot be hidden, the horror will be blasted out, and that makes it different from previous United States-sponsored Christian genocides. The Regime lost full control of propaganda and that has put it in a precarious position. Public opinion largely doesn’t matter, of course, but some buy in remains necessary.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
42 minutes ago

But that’s not a very good explanation. If The Chosen were behind it, why would it serve their interests to memory-hole events that would move the marginal people towards anti-Islam?

If one has to believe in an uber-powerful human foe, muslims are a far better candidate, somehow using their magical powers to convince an increasing number of people that head-choppers are fine people, and that The Chosen are the real foe.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Steve
12 minutes ago

At least the Small Hats condone alcohol and will loan us money at interest. Lesser of two evils and all that…

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
40 minutes ago

I wish I could totally blame the media, but the fact is, Christians themselves have totally internalized the commands of their oppressors on this. Christians will rush to defend some Ivy League Jew who got his feelings hurt on campus (there is one who spoke at the RNC and is now becoming a conservative celebrity, despite the fact that he literally said he was a Democrat during his RNC speech), but will not defend dead or oppressed Christians in the Holy Land or Middle East. They will not say a word about Christians getting spit on in Jerusalem. They don’t… Read more »

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Mycale
18 minutes ago

There are ways to help persecuted Christians:

At Least Ten More Christians Killed in Northern Mozambique | Barnabas Aid

Open Doors International · Serving Persecuted Christians Worldwide

Obviously, do your due diligence, but these are just two organizations. Every bit helps.

Ted X
Ted X
1 hour ago

No matter what happens white countries will accept more “refugees” that are incompatible with our societies because muh holocaust.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ted X
1 hour ago

This likely won’t be a replay of the past since European and North American regimes are quite fragile now over weaponized migration. It very well may get ugly.

Hokkoda
Member
2 hours ago

I’ve been calling them The Wizards of Smart for, officially, decades now. The so-called “Arab Spring” (a Bill Kristol / neocon term) ended up causing the worst refugee crisis since ww2. It also is the main source of various European nationalist movements. At home, “the stimulus” and its “shovel ready” jobs, was another adventure in proving that all the macroeconomic textbooks they hand MBA students are dead wrong. Masks and vaccines and social distancing? Check! Indicting and trying to jail a presidential candidate? Check! Collapsing the Russian government through a proxy war in Ukraine? Check! Just because they’re powerful doesn’t… Read more »

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Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 hour ago

Trump’s first major test will be resisting the enormous pressure coming from the usual suspects to bomb Iran. All the Syria episode did was to inform Iran in no uncertain terms (after Libya, Iraq etc) that nuclear weapons must be possessed in order to avoid regime change. And even then, they’re no guarantee (look at that Pakistani dude Mr. Khan in jail). If he gives in and bombs Iran, we will have 4 more years of the usual MIC-sponsored chaos.

Ted X
Ted X
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 hour ago

Zion Don is already signalizing his obedience to Tel Aviv with upcoming limited strikes on ‘muh nuclear program’ in Iran. Which ironically has been on the verge of getting nukes since the mid 1980s !

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ted X
1 hour ago

It is why Hegseth will be confirmed, when you get down to it, even if he claims to be a recovering Neocon.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jack Dobson
49 minutes ago

It is curious why so many people are lining up behind this guy. As if there’s no one else who wants to rein in the rainbow excesses of the DoD. As if there aren’t others who also want that, who are more qualified than he. For some unknown reason, he’s the indispensable man.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
48 minutes ago

The Third Temple psychosis makes him a player on the team that counts.

Epaminondas
Member
1 hour ago

We now learn from Alistair Crooke that when Assad flew to Moscow to meet with Putin the day before the terrorists struck, Putin informed Assad that Russia and Iran would not be coming to save his bacon. When Assad returned to Damascus, he had already made up his mind to abdicate…without informing anyone. He instructed his military commanders to stand down and prepare for a regime change. We all watched this unfold. On his last day in office, Assad told his prime minister to prepare a speech to be read to the public the next day informing them of his… Read more »

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
1 hour ago

What’s also interesting to watch is the responses. Moscow quickly made a deal with HST to allow the Russian forces free passage to their bases on the coast, and to keep the bases until Putin decides whether they’re worth keeping. The Israelis took some more of the Golan Heights. The Turks are obsessed with the Kurds. The Iranians went home and are getting even closer to Moscow. The Biden regime is cynically taking credit for bringing “freedom” to Syria, while creating even more chaos before they leave. Trump? Who knows?

Member
Reply to  thezman
52 minutes ago

I’m inclined to think so, if only for the reason that a lot of people seem to think that these rebels will become compliant little American and Bagel lapdogs for some cash and prizes from the Clowns In Action. These guys are not idiots, since they see what trusting the Americans gets you in the failed states of the region. There’s every chance that the new Syrian rulers will be exactly like the mujahedeen in Afghanistan, who defeated the Soviets and then turned on the Americans.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Pickle Rick
50 minutes ago

Yes. The same has happened in Iraq although it isn’t quite as blatant.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Pickle Rick
21 minutes ago

What you say is true enough Rick. Alas, the persistent problem is that from the point of view of the paid, it’s extremely hard to say “no” to another 20 mill in your Swiss account and/or a new shipment of shiny new weapons for your minions, just as long as you agree to dance a bit longer to the organ grinder’s tune.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
39 minutes ago

The Patriarch of Moscow and All of Rus will not be happy if the jihadis brutalize the Orthodox, though, so surely that is of some concern to the Russian government.

Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
1 hour ago

I don’t disagree with the essay overall, but regarding the famous razor, hasn’t it already been established that there truly is a lot of malice among the decision making class? Incompetent – yes – but malicious also. Can’t this be a case of having a little from column A and a little from column B? When the vile Newland (Kaganovich) glibly says things like ‘screw the Europeans’ and stuff about burning up all the Ukrainians like so much worthless cordwood, I am inclined to assume both ill-will and casual/psychopathic disregard for the wellbeing of others. Maybe ALL others. Could it… Read more »

Alan Schmidt
1 hour ago

When I’m doubt, media outlets go with atrocity porn against the old regime. We have the rebel smoosher, the prisoner who has seen daylight for the first time in years, and the genocide level 99 percent or prisoners being dead.

Even apolitical people are laughing at this now.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Alan Schmidt
1 hour ago

If they all didn’t deserve to die in a fire, you almost could feel sorry for Regime propagandists. People do indeed openly laugh at them now, and that is far more damaging than protests and terror in the long run. The British and Soviets weren’t this ludicrous as their empires slipped away.

usNthem
usNthem
1 hour ago

Damn the murderously meddling US government to hell. I guess not having to worry about foreign state sponsored chaos on our own borders gives them license and opportunity to F up any other place in the world – all in the name of sacred democracy.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  usNthem
1 hour ago

I guess not having to worry about foreign state sponsored chaos on our own borders

Sarcasm?

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Jack Dobson
54 minutes ago

The current border crisis here is of their own doing – as such I suppose one could actually consider the US government as a foreign state sponsor, as they certainly don’t ever do anything that’s in the best interests of the actual country of America.

Vegetius
Vegetius
1 hour ago

I forget, has Israel ever attacked ISIS or any of its offshoots?

If you have secure borders and possess an in-group preference that relegates the rest of the species to the status of animals, then bloody internecine chaos on your border may be preferable to independent, functioning nation states on your border.

Mycale
Mycale
1 hour ago

You don’t need second order thinking if you’re the only game in town. Israel, I am sure, wants a civil war between the players in Syria. That is what we got from Iraq after the US got rid of Saddam Hussein, and despite the fact that, on paper, Iraq is far closer to Iran today and somewhat of a client state, the neocons still point to this operation as a proud accomplishment. This tells me that they feel it benefitted Israel, and I am positive that they feel they can handle the post-Assad situation in Syria in much the samer… Read more »

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bruce g charlton
bruce g charlton
34 minutes ago

Hanlon’s razor is a metaphysical assertion, that is – it is not derived from evidence, but is a meta-theory that structures what counts as evidence and how that “evidence” is interpreted. This is always possible – indeed trivially easy to do. A metaphysical assumption can never be disproved by evidence. In practice, once accepted, the Hanlon meta-theory will Always explain-away malice as being instead something else. The effects can be seen in interpersonal life, as well as politics and sociology – when, for instance, the victim of genuinely malicious abuse by a sadist, has no difficulty in explaining it in… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
48 minutes ago

Z has restated the Hanlon’s Razor definition I’m most familiar with, replacing “stupidity” with “incompetence, neglect, or ignorance”. That’s acceptable as far as it goes, but I suggest he’s omitted other important base desires that lead to trouble such as greed. I’ve seen a similar rule with the terms “greed, sloth and stupidity.” It curious to note that of those three, only stupidity is not a cardinal sin. Apparently God is OK with stupidity.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
13 minutes ago

Not really:

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1)

Gideon
Gideon
1 hour ago

American elites do not simply undertake poorly thought out schemes that sometimes blow up in their faces. They deliberately choose the worst possible course of action and then keep at it until it does blow up in their faces. The timing may be accidental, but the result isn’t. Russia supported Baathist-led Syria because it was in the interests of any Western government to do so. Leave it to Iran to back the Shiite minority, and the Arab Gulf states the Sunni majority. Even from a humanitarian perspective, the minority Alawite government best protected the interests of other, more Western-friendly Christian… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Gideon
30 minutes ago

But what does “blow up in their face” even mean? They never face any actual consequences to their horrible decisions. They continue to live lives of plenty in beautiful towns, send their kids to the best schools, command a great deal of credibility and respect in the circles they run, etc. Other people pay the price, and it just so happens that it is USUALLY people who they hate and want destroyed. They rarely even get criticized or face any accountability whatsoever – one of the best aspects of managerialism (for them) is that you can always pawn off your… Read more »

Mr. Burns
Mr. Burns
1 hour ago

Wait, they didn’t expect collapse? Are you saying the U.S. and Israel haven’t been working to collapse the Assad regime for over a decade?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Mr. Burns
1 hour ago

As I understand Z, he thinks they didn’t consider the second order effects, which based on past debacles seems a safe bet.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Mr. Burns
11 minutes ago

The point is to break the ‘Shia Crescent” and Russian power and influence in the region. A ‘Great Game” updated for the 21st century.

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Vizzini
Member
1 minute ago

Three different conflicting groups:
“…backed by … the CIA”
“…supported by … the U.S. State Department, and the CIA”
“…have the protection of the American military operating in the region”

It really doesn’t matter if there was “a reason” why it happened. You do that much F’ing Around and you’re bound to Find Out eventually. And you might not like what you Find Out.

It’s absolutely unsurprising the people of the region hate the US so much.

Vizzini
Member
6 minutes ago

“Nemesis.” Please. That’s gonna bug me every time I look at it today!

Tom K
Tom K
54 minutes ago

Trying to read the tea leaves, all I’m certain of is that we’re moving closer to WWIII every day.

kerdasi amaq
kerdasi amaq
1 hour ago

The ultimate conspiracy theory is that Assad was part of the deep state all along and they told him to throw the battle. Probably, because they are under time pressure. January 20th is the cut- off date.

Causing chaos and disorder in Syria is a not a problem for the beltway morons. That’s their main job.