Just in time for Christmas, the “tech bros”, who jumped on the Trump bandwagon last summer, launched a campaign on Twitter in favor of infinite Indian migration, for all the long ago debunked economic reasons. The trigger for this was Trump naming someone calling himself Sriram Krishnan to an advisory board. This person was a Kamala supporter, in addition to being a strong advocate for bringing all his countryman to live in your neighborhood.
It is unlikely that Trump thought much about Sriram Krishnan before naming him to this advisory board, as it is not an important post. It looks like he took the recommendation of David Sacks, who is running a technology advisory board for Trump. David Sack is an open borders fanatic for all the expected reasons. He spent Christmas day trying to justify Sriram Krishnan’s appointment as “America First”, while also defending unlimited immigration from India.
It was not just David Sacks trying to subvert the meaning of American First. Elon Musk took time away from not celebrating Christmas to push the idea of unlimited immigration from India as well. Like all the tech bros, nation wreckers and open society types, his claim rests on the obvious lie that India is full of future Einsteins that America must recruit in order to win. What we win by turning your neighborhood into a New Delhi slum is never explained, because it is a lie.
This episode is a good reminder that modern America is cursed with one of the worst economic elites in human history. Most of what they do adds nothing to the country or the stock of human capital. Silicon Valley is now just financial flim-flams and financial legerdemain masquerading as a tech sector. Like the Wall Street economy, the Silicon Valley economy is just a skim, not a lot different than how the mafia operated Las Vegas or the Teamsters Union back in the 1970’s.
The main difference between the mafia and the current oligarchs is the mafia knew it was the mafia, while the current oligarchs think they are some weird combination of religious leader and entrepreneurial genius. Elon Musk is Valentine Michael Smith from the Heinlein novel, Stranger in a Strange Land. Instead of promising sexual liberation, he is selling motorized doorstops and trips to Mars. The original Valentine Smith came from Mars and this one wants to return.
It is easy to hate the oligarchs as sociopathic greed heads, but they are a symptom of a deeper problem with post-Cold War America. The reason these guys exist is that after the Cold War, America fell into an old bad habit of seeing itself as nothing more than an economic zone to be exploited. This is a current in American history that goes back to the colonies, when the New World was nothing more than an untapped economic zone to be exploited by who got to it first.
This is something Tocqueville observed in his travels around America. There has never been an enduring sense of American identity, other than the idea that making money is the heart of American liberty. The way to avoid the exploitative relationships common in the old world is to maintain a free economy so that anyone can get rich. The concept of “Fuck You Money” is based in this belief. You can get rich enough to not fear coercion from the government or the other rich people.
One main reason people admire Musk is he is the ultimate example of the guy who has achieved “Fuck You Money” status. He is the world’s richest man and the world’s biggest shit poster online. Instead of bending the knee to the Indians running Twitter, he bought the platform for probably two or three times its value. In reality, Musk paid $44 billion for what amounts to a poorly coded message board. He overpaid for it because he has “Fuck You Money”.
Many in the MAGA movement slobber over Musk because of this, but there is an evil that lies behind all of it. Oligarchs like Musk do not see America as their home, but as a company they just acquired. The triumphalism of the tech bros is that they now think with Trump in the White House, they can do what Musk did with Twitter, to the whole country and reorganize it for their purposes. They are the board that took the company called America private and now plan to reorganize it.
This is the next turn of the wheel in the managerial revolution that kicked off a century ago with the rise of the American empire. The large shareholders have become disenchanted with management, so they are shaking things up. The trouble is the shareholders are not American in any meaningful sense. If they think this guy is as American as those with just one passport, then their definition of citizen is no different from their definition of employee.
It is tempting to call this feudalism, mostly because feudalism has an odor about it, but the feudal elite actually had a bond with the peasants. The feudal order started with the reciprocal relationships between the elites, but it also included vertical relations that bound the top to the bottom. The king had a duty to his people. In this age, the oligarch has no duty to his employees. They are mere economic units to be exploited in order to fulfil his obligations to his fellow shareholders.
What we are seeing is an effort to transform the fundamental relations between the citizens and the state, but also among the citizens themselves. Your duty to your neighbor is now the same as your duty to Apu in IT, who was just flown in from Bangalore to replace your neighbor. Everyone is now supposed to see themselves as employees of America Inc., which is now run by people who view you as an expense to be reduced and a liability to be eliminated.
It is not a big leap from using the income statement to justify unlimited Indian immigration to using it to justify involuntary suicide or the deportation of citizens who are no longer working out for American Inc. If economics trump the moral arguments against immigration, then there are no moral arguments that can trump economics when it comes to anything else. Once citizenship is defined as employment, everything and everyone is a slave to the bottom line.
The flaw in this is no rational man will sacrifice for his CEO. The transactional relationship between employer and employee cannot work for a society, because of the fundamental compact at the heart of every human society. The people tolerate and even sacrifice for the elites in a human society, because those elites provide protection through the mechanism of government. If those elites are no longer willing to provide protection, then the reason to tolerate them evaporates.
Perhaps this is the sign that we are fully in late-stage managerialism. The economic elites sense America Inc. is faltering, so they step in to force a change in management, without understanding the root cause of the problem. They view Trump as a turnaround specialist who can reverse the fortunes of the enterprise, while maintaining the transactional relationship between themselves and the people. In the end it must fail because American is not a corporation. It is a people.
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South Asians are some of the most destructive immigrants we could possibly allow into the United States. While not as violent and stupid as your average sub-Saharan African, they are on the whole not as intelligent as Europeans. They are also extremely ethnocentric people. Some of them are just competent enough to secure well paying mid and high level jobs, but their extreme ethnocentrism means that once one Indian gets power in an organization, soon the entire department or organization is full of Indians brought over from India. Furthermore, the primary mode of doing business in India (I know this first hand, as I’ve… Read more »
Good luck trying to explain this to empathetic white people especially in the midwest, who think that all brown immigrants are “just like us” and “want to work hard to make a better life just like our great-grandparents from Scotland”.
I see entire extended families from India wandering around rural farm towns in Michigan, Indiana and Southern Illinois because one family member took an IT job from Timmy at the local courthouse.
Even this Indian guy is open about how awful they are
https://www.unz.com/article/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
“Good luck trying to explain this to empathetic white people especially in the midwest, who think that all brown immigrants are “just like us” and “want to work hard to make a better life just like our great-grandparents from Scotland”.”
This is also an intergenerational discussion. Plenty of millennials and younger, particularly from urban areas, have encountered Indians. The oldest generation truly is indifferent to anything but the cheapest price and their virtue signal.
India is also one of the most corrupt nations on Earth..https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/ and that spells long terms doom, as this Indian points out…
To be fair, most average Americans have no idea how things work in a place like India. One of the things that most shocked me when I went there was that most of the Indians I interacted with were nothing at all like the few intelligent and well behaved Indians I knew or had known back in the United States. India does indeed have a lot of smart people, but they are far, far outnumbered by the rest of the population which explains why India is the way that it is. Also, India is a very low trust society, which… Read more »
“One of the things that most shocked me when I went there was that most of the Indians I interacted with were nothing at all like the few intelligent and well behaved Indians I knew or had known back in the United States.” I had a discussion of this phenomena more than once with someone online. Yes, many of the people here are from the Brahmin caste. As the top of the heap, they are clean, educated, and know how to conform to the social norms around them. Back home the government (for real) has run campaigns to get people… Read more »
“Once they start to drag along their poorer and lower caste cousins, it’s New Deli in Toronto.” That’s the problem, isn’t it. These top of the heap get in and are fairly successful, but never can escape clannishness. Thus they sponsor their “extended” family members who warp the social fabric of the neighborhood. Case in point, father in law many years back had the experience in his (formally) White, middle class, nice neighborhood of having an *Apu* move in across the street. First thing Apu did was cut down all the trees on the property and quit watering the lawn.… Read more »
People sometimes have fire sales. This was fairly common where I used to live.
Indians are Indo-European (Indo=India) and Aryan by definition. Their language is at the very base of the linguistic tree from which English itself is derived (Sanskrit, along with Latin are considered a canonical Indo-European languages). This is all to say that “Apu” or “Pajeet” are not typical Aryan names (unless you are a Judeo-Muslim Simpsons writer of course). Some common Indo-European/Hindu names are: Anje/Anju, Arjen, Arjun, Kiran, Minna, Hannu, Indra, Rishi, Muni (Munich is from same word), Viki, Mina, Ila, Viran, Angla, Uschi, Usha, Hema etc. A good way to guess North Indian names is to start with something uniquely… Read more »
Two words: Brain. Drain.
From India to Haiti, from the inner cities to the Appalachians, anyone who’s capable of improving the place had the good sense to leave a while ago.
Yep. The UN actually has an annual “World Toilet Day” to get the pajeets to shit in a latrine:
World Toilet Day | United Nations
There are maybe 100+ aryan tribes and 100+ dravidian tribes and these divisions make them the least ethnocentric people in the world.
So you know a “Brahmin” caste. Can you name even one Aryan tribe however?
And this is one of the captious things about selective immigration. In the case of India–or Nigeria, or Lebanon, etc.–AINO skims off the extreme cognitive elite of the target nation. India’s very best and brightest wind up in AINO and your average white, after associating with such people, makes the understandable if logically false assumption that these elites are representative of Indians in general, when in fact, they are extreme exceptions to the rule. This misinformation then justifies, in the mind of the deluded, the importation of more Indians. And before you know it you’re living in little Hyderabad with… Read more »
I have a friend who thinks that Nigerians are very intelligent people, because he met a couple of elite Nigerians when he studied at university. He has no explanation for why Nigeria is such a disgusting shithole.
Igbo are often referred to as the jews of Africa. They’re scammers and grifters par excellence. Unfortunately, they benefit from an angle that Indians don’t. Nigeria is predominantly Christian, and the Roman Catholic and Anglican Churches have otherwise intelligent people who are enamored with their Nigerian co-religionists. The “based” African bishops who thumb their nose at the pontiff are usually Nigerian. I’m a steadfast Christian and I find this deification of black men speaking sanity to insane churches tiresome. It’s the same old conservative game where they find a brown person saying things they wish they could say and they… Read more »
Nonsense. I’ve wired $10,000 and given my bank account details to a former Nigerian government minister who is trying to get his wealth out of that country. He’s promised me a good payoff, and it should be in my account any day now.
Let’s be fair to your friend. He’s been propagandized since the age of 2 that all groups are equal. He’s also been propagandized to believe anyone who thinks otherwise is not just wrong, but evil. Even if had bothered accessing true information, it is just so much easier to believe the propaganda.
He’s been propagandized since the age of 2 that all groups are equal. He’s also been propagandized to believe anyone who thinks otherwise is not just wrong, but evil.
Tars, that was all just as true of me. But here I am. Thus my limited patience with the colorblind civnats.
Why? Because the majority of the intelligent Nigerians left Nigeria.
The civil war in the 60s drove out many of them (The Biafrans).
Much like the 1991 coup in Haiti.
Unfortunately, many white people are so browbeaten with the racism indoctrination that, upon meeting the first group of brown people that don’t regularly rob convenience stores, they’ll declare them a “model minority” and begin advocating on their behalf. It sounds insane to us and other people who are capable of using two oldfangled concepts known as “logic” and “reason.” If Indians are so brilliant, why is India a disaster? Because it’s full of Indians. Common sense dictates that if Indians were so capable and intelligent, they would have established a nation that is not so horrible that they’re all trying… Read more »
India is a disaster for the same reason Italy is a disaster except India was holocausted (100 million dead) by 500 years of Islam and then 300 years of British (and you did not want to be on the receiving end of the insane cruely of those British back then). You think of 2 million dead in Ireland, what do you think they did halfway across the world ? The East-India company was the richest company on the planet for a reason. They left utter desolation. Slowly, India comes back – very slowly. But it’ll get there. It was 40%… Read more »
India is a disaster for the same reason Italy is a disaster except India was holocausted There is an even more insidious reason why India progressed so slowly even after 75 years of independence from the British. At the peak of the British Raj, there were only 50,000 or so British ruling over a population of several hundred million. In a brilliant move, the Brits fashioned the Indian Civil Service, the Indian Revenue Service and the Indian Police Service to use Indians to rule over, loot and discipline other Indians at the behest of their imperial masters. Post Independence, the… Read more »
Back when U.S. immigration policy was sane(r), it’s my understanding that if, say, an Indian obtained a degree at a U.S. university, he had to return to his home nation for at least five years before he could be eligible to work in the U.S. I may well be wrong on this, and even if true, there might be ways to game the system (aren’t there always?). But the intent of the policy would have been to encourage the alien to use his newfound knowledge to improve his own nation, at least for a time.
I’ve long thought I could support something like that. In essence, non-whites should be allowed to attend college here provided they earn admittance rather than having it given to them via DIE set-asides. However, once they complete their studies–and there would be strict limitations on how long they could study–they must leave the country immediately.
India is one of the main reasons that the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act has a carve out for “customary” bribes…
India is one of the main reasons that the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act has a carve out for “customary” bribes… In fairness to India, that was due to the Arab “Emirs” whose relatives skimmed a percentage off every defense deal made. Defense deals are and were big business for the western countries after the Arab oil embargo in 1973. Look up the modus operandi of Adnan Khashoggi, the arms dealer of the Saudis. At that time, India was being supplied arms by the Soviets as India was a client state. There were very few American arms deals or multinationals in… Read more »
Met a young Indian coed recently who was riding on a nice scholarship to my university. Apparently her family had moved somewhere in the white Midwest and (one of the few I’m sure) scholarships for poor rural whites was being given to this not very talented interloper.
And those admissions officers beam with joy when they can use a schollie dedicated to western Kansas, for example, to bring in a subcoon rather than a local yokel.
I know many young, high-IQ white men in the midwest who have zero interest in college and 9-5 cubicle careers. The really smart ones have hustled into multiple trade schools in their 20s (welding, electric, aircraft maintenance etc) without taking on debt and are rapidly mastering ‘nomadic work’ scenarios. I don’t know any white man under 30 that wants the boomer lifestyle of house, 2 cars, kids and suburbia.
The brown hordes will all have degrees from once-great Amerikan colleges but will be earning $10/hr like in the 3rd world. The race to the bottom is inevitable.
It’s a shame they don’t want kids…
“Even this Indian guy is open about how awful they are
https://www.unz.com/article/india-its-worse-than-you-think/“
I rarely second these diversions, but the article is quite good and written by an Indian who decries his fellow countrymen immigrants. Discussion centering on just how long adaptation to Western standards of behavior and thinking can take—or for that matter, if they can take. It’s much, much more than a negative screed. There are some important psychological aspects of a people pointed out.
This “article” is the exact opposite of quite good.
You do realize this whole article is written by a Judeo-Muslim or Pakistani ? Maybe if I call myself “Mickey”, that makes me a mouse too, eh ?
The Judeo-Muslims cannot fight the Aryans culture, history and symbology (there are only about a million swastikas in like every Hindu temple, book, ceremony, wedding, decoration, home etc), so they go with this sort of thing.
Almost entirely context free too.
You can see the same in rural areas of Europe and it’s not because of a family member taking an IT job, but because the EU pays for them to come and mix with the local populations.
(I wonder what part of my comment triggered the filters to put it in the approval queue)
Indians are, on average, dumber than American blacks. The average IQ in India is 83. They are so ethnocentric they out-jew the jews. They are nasty people.
Even without them being here, they’ve managed to make our phones next to useless.
Search the term medicare fraud. You will see Indian names over and over and over.
The subcons were running some absolutely epic frauds during the beer flu hysteria.
“Search the term medicare fraud. You will see Indian names over and over and over.”
Like the pajeet bitch that Biden PARDONED for ripping off CANCER patients???
Biden’s clemency for doc in chemotherapy fraud scheme contrasts with longtime ‘Cancer Moonshot’ advocacy
Do you know the name of the longest poem ever written ? It is bigger than the Iliad and Odyssey combined.
Here’s a hint – it is in Sanskrit.
To what extent does Vance’s wife compromise him?
JD’s defenders say: “I know a good one” or “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
My instincts are to reject non-whites and their white relations because their loyalty to their tribe will eventually dominate, but our numbers are few and we need help. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
I assume Vance is up to his neck in this BS, but it is torching him. Good. If it forces him to have a Sister Souljavinshu moment, better.
The worst case scenario is that JD’s wife is his WEF handler.
Part of me expects him to have a “Chuck Johnson” moment where he realizes he’s thrown away his family’s genetic legacy. He’s got wealth and power now, and he doesn’t have to settle for a society-climbing brown woman.
NAXALT
Never stay at a “Patel Motel”
Brother, you haven’t lived less’n you’ve had your over-easy eggs slathered with mango-and-cauliflower chutney…
Dear God, I farted just reading that!
The real problem is that after 5 decades of immigration finkery, no one trusts our government to just import “critical workers.” Suddenly, everyone is “critical.” “We must import 1 billion Pajeets to be engineers or we’ll lose the race!” Ok, let’s import a bunch of Chinese then. “We can’t import Chinese, they’re a bunch of race conscious future traitors who’ll steal everything and send it home! And their degrees are all fake!” Uh, you just painted a billion people with race consciousness which somehow is correct for China but incorrect for India. Plus somehow Chinese engineers are “fake” but India… Read more »
I would rather live in an economically stagnant White country than be replaced by alien races.
And that’s the nub of it all. Culture is more important than economics. Much more important.
Agreed.
Up here in Canada we don’t have the nogs you Yanks have. We have pakies, and I know all about them. I don’t get it… they’re lazier than Mexicans, they’re more arrogant than jews, easily as dumb as blacks… and I avoid them like the plague. I won’t work with or for DEI flunkies ever again. I won’t buy from them either.
The amusing thing about the Indian discourse is that no matter how rich or successful they become, other groups don’t get jealous or envious of them because no amount of money or status is enough to make up for being Indian.
I think they are quite happy with being Aryan, the people of the swastika, laltika and Om, having invented Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism and living in their Arya Varta.
You can’t be one however, so sorry. There is *no* conversion process.
I wrote an article for Identity Dixie a while back with very similar observations about the benighted inhabitants of the Indus River. They pose a particular problem because they are supposedly nonviolent. This isn’t true if you’re outnumbered by them, and white women who were dumb enough to take “Eat Pray Love” tours of India have found out the hard way. Conservatives can’t get enough of Indians. “Brown people who don’t rob liquor stores? Fantastic! Give us more!” The sneering condescension from them is enough to make me hate them. I don’t fathom how they can maintain an aura of… Read more »
Your hope about ‘conservatives’ is -quite simply – baseless. Even here, people are convinced we can use the Indians as temporary allies, or turn them to suit our purposes. Meanwhile, they gush about the Indian’s post at Unz – which I read a few days ago on Amren (where I am banned, and Jared Taylor delights in publishing posts by supposed ‘based’ non-Whites with whom he thinks we will somehow produce a White revival). Jayant Bhandari may claim to recognize what ails India, but he will always be an Indian. He may wear a western suit and sport English university… Read more »
You’re completely correct on the Unz column. When I read the article and he mentioned having cousins and extended family that engaged in the chicanery he was lamenting, I had the thought of “yes, and you’re an apple from the same orchard.”
I’ll take 3g’s comment a step further: the Unz column itself is sort of a grift. The Pajeet is marketing himself as Not One of Those, and a person who is a valuable asset able to provide insider information about his kith and kin. It is so typically Indian. eta: I should have read your piece prior to my comment above. The rape angle is huge. Muslims–yes, Muslims–regard Hindus as the rapiest of the rapiest. The Indian government from time to time will go through the motions of an anti-rape campaign, but it is just for show. Rape is perceived… Read more »
Rape rate in India is the lowest in the world – same as Japan. India has 1.5 billion people and a few thousand rapes in the entire country per year (if that). And half of those minimal numbers are aborigines and muslims anyway. Shoot, that’s a week in the UK or Australia. You can read any official UN or govt or even CIA stats on this. So, why would the Muslims call Buddhists/Hindus “rapiest” ? Dunno, maybe Muslims need a laugh from being the religion of peace and doing: 9/11, KSM, Osama, chopping off infidels heads, UK grooming gangs, blowing… Read more »
Heck, why shouldn’t they have contempt for the native population? In the rest of their economic empire they rule over guys in grass skirts, lounging under coconut palms, drinking kava, while they, the Indians, basically run these island and third-world places. Here in the states, the grass-skirted equivalent are beer-drinking white guys fixated on worshiping large, overpaid Negroes chasing a ball around on TV. Unless and until Joe Sixpack throughout the western world boycotts spectator sports, plus other targets to protest his political and economic disenfranchisement, nothing will change, not even electing Trump!
Yep…As soon as you get Indians in HR, they start hiring other Indians..Microsoft is a good example…But the flaw of even intelligent Indians, which is pretty much confined to the top two castes, is that they are not original or inventive…and that means big long term problems…
100+ Aryan tribes and 100+ Dravidian and none of them hire any of the others. They are the opposite of ethnocentric, Aryans and Dravidians can’t stand each other.
This is exact opposite of reality – both Aryans and Dravidians are the most law abiding, peaceful, cultured and assimilated immigrants of them all.
Data from the Department of Justice (DOJ): of the 662,566 illegal immigrants, a total of 435,719 on the docket are documented to have criminal convictions in their home countries; that is 65 percent. Another 226,847 or 34 percent, have pending criminal charges. There are close to zero Indians with any criminal convictions, all the infinite terror is solely Judeo-Muslim, South American gangs and Africans.
Please push back against this on Twitter and anywhere else you can. I believe the message does get through. And remember, the billionaires need us desperately to protect their property rights. Our side needs to stop acting like we will die for their right to sit on a big bag of money while they cheat the rest of us.
They already know that they we won’t die for their right to sit on their bag of money. That’s why nobody is serious about WWIII. The collective Great War of the 20th century took a reasonably healthy populace ready to die for nationalism. They had to have some social order and sense of social duties. Both wars were less about passion/warrior or even Roman armies and more about factory workers dying in a factory manner, for a sense of home mostly felt by their grandfathers. Zero of those conditions exist modernly. The elites have the society they wanted, with no… Read more »
“I’ve used forty billion dollars plus of your government’s money to mine cobalt and rare earths from Africa so I can sell you inefficient overpriced ugly cars and poison the environment. My next plan is to nuke the ice-caps of Mars and then install little Neuralink chips in your heads to help you control a mobile device wherever you go; or maybe I’ll just use it to control you. Now me and Vivek are going to head down to the VA and make sure they’re not using too much toilet paper, because we’re based and we need to rein in… Read more »
First class post, full of good fighting Christmas spirit. There was quite a fracas on Twitter last night over Indian immigration, with our host joining in with great joy, and with James Kirkpatrick congratulating all at the end of the night as the tech immigrationists disappeared back up their own chimney. Hope this gets linked far and wide.
It is fascinating how fast Indians replaced blacks as the country’s most hated minority. With good reason. You can get away from blacks but the Indians will devour everything if you let them.
Indians are the combo of the worst traits of both Jews and Africans. Lazy and dirty (at least in public), but also over the top ambitious and willing to exploit any loophole someone gives them.
Neither lazy, nor dirty. This is exact opposite of reality – they are the most law abiding, peaceful, cultured and assimilated immigrants of them all.
Of course, Viking/Aryan cultures are quite different than negroid or mid east sand smells, so if you are a dirty Judeo-Muslim, you are bound to think otherwise.
Where is the great need for smart tech workers in our country? I see Musk and his network of useless bullshit companies might need a slew of them for what, a useless enterprise for conquering the galaxy or overpriced and non essential electric powered cars. If the problem is as Musk says a lack of competent and uneducated American workers then shouldn’t that be the existential problem we all need to address and fix? Bringing in South Asian undesirables who are here mainly because they work cheaper and draconian employment restrictions on White counterparts are the real issue. It’s not… Read more »
For many of these jobs it’s simply impossible for a White kid to get his foot in the door, largely because right now Indians are doing the hiring and Saturday people are advising them on how to do it without technically running afoul of the law. Just after Election Day someone spotted an ad that Tesla ran in the classified section of the Austin newspaper, in 0.005 size font. This is what they do. Nobody looks there, nobody sees it, nobody American wants the job so they need to bring in 500 Indians to do the work. White people can… Read more »
The Leftists who’ve controlled America’s education system the last 60 years annihilated all standards of achievement in an effort to make the Hutus feel like our intellectual peers. In consequence, white students are not challenged and they do not learn. That’s why relatively few are prepared to do high-level tech work. Restore those old standards–and devil take the negroes–and voila! You’ve got an extremely competent workforce once more.
“In consequence, white students are not challenged and they do not learn.”
This.
In the one example I’m familiar with, White guys were hired and were grossly inadequate to the task. I appreciate one’s loyalty to the race, but it’s not that simple (IMO). As I’ve noted before, DIE is not simply pernicious because it promotes the graduation of incompetent minorities, but worse, it lessons the standards for *all* graduates in technical fields—and that includes Whites.
I doubt the Devil wants the Negroes. Even he has standards.
Musk and the other tech bros seem to have ignored the fact that one of Trump’s main constituencies is White tech bros. There has always been a strong conservative and even ethnocentric tendency among White tech workers. For most of these guys, the Indians are a major threat to their livelihoods and they are well aware of the way one Indian in a department turns magically into a department full of them. Alienating these people for the sake of being able to hire cheap Pajeet tech workers is idiotically short sighted. For one thing, once the dollar collapses and/or the… Read more »
Great post today. Up until recently my pajeet detector was basically non-existent – no reason for it. Now it’s pinging all the time. I look around lately wondering where the hell did all these F-ers come from, why are they here and how did they worm their way into so many positions of power and influence? For example that pentagon spokes bimbo. Those who’ve aided and abetted this alien invasion need to pay a heavy price, which we can only hope comes to fruition. That crapper hari krisnam in one freaking ugly mofo…
According to wiki, the Pentagon spokesidiot has a worthless piece of paper from USC and worked for the right people in California and the Democrat party:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Singh
Of course, she’s married to a white guy.
You don’t have a functioning sense of smell?
The smell of curry (among others) is strong in this one, lol…
vin d’aloo (vindaloo) is also a smelly Indian original dish too, isn’t it ?
Pajeet is not a Aryan name.
You need a Arjen or Kiran detector
Watching the twitter storm last night was hysterical. “America must WIN!” What is this, the Ford Administration?
The best point was that H1-bs are a form of slave labor. The migrants must retain their corporate sponsorship in order to stay, so they put up with working conditions no real American would tolerate.
The new oligarchs apparently have no less contempt for the American people than the old. Trump should take notice. He might be amazed at how quickly his support can disappear.
Elon sounding like Trudeau admiring the Chinese system, suicide nets and all. whomp whomp.
I know an Indian physician working for $15 an hour in Brooklyn, NY. Her employer is an Indian owned medical practice. Not that the Indian physician is any good, but who cares? The medical practice serves mostly other minorities.
Z Man: “American is not a corporation. It is a people.”
Also Z Man: Tocqueville observed “there has never been an enduring sense of American identity, other than” making money.
Can both statements be true?
Northern Europeans tried to inspire other races to look beyond race and embrace meritocracy, but no other group followed.
White Americans have an identity that was forced on them because the other groups insist on seeing them as the group to be overthrown.
You may not be interested in race, but race is interested in you.
I think both can be true. Often it is the money making identity that dominates, but there are periods when it was subordinated to other things, like the long fight against communism. The racial awareness we are seeing with whites in America is in response to the economic excesses. The revolt against immigration is a polite way of expressing racial solidarity.
But the inability of whites to just come out and say, “I don’t want them here because they’re not my people, they’re not white” makes their arguments so much less powerful.
Because whites can’t use race as a reason, they’re forced to play by the other’s sides rules and morality. White have to make economic arguments, which can be countered. Or whites use the culture argument, but the other side can just respond that America assimilated all kinds of people over the centuries.
In a formerly racially homogenous nation the idea of ‘racial identity’ is superfluous. Only when foreigners invade does the issue of racial identity become relevant. The invaders naturally identify as ‘others’ while the hosts play catch-up on the concepts of racial differences. Ultimately multiculturalism results in the racial politics seen in prisons (i.e. enforced segregation by races).
Enforced segregation by race eventually becomes different nation-states, as it did in Europe.
Racial identity is also important when conquering foreign lands. You can be certain Limeys in the Raj were quite aware of their distinct identity. But your point still stands. Identity becomes far more acute in justaposition to the Other.
Whites, especially Northern Europeans are the least ethnocentric and the most high-trust race. Most White Americans grew up in extremely non-diverse communities until the consequences of Hart-Celler ’65 appeared. Race wasn’t even thought about in everyday life unless you turned the TV on.
As LineInTheSand says, race is forcing itself on Whites. The Whites who can adapt will understand that it’s back to nature. “Eat or be eaten.”
Europeans are “least” ethnocentric ? Have you never read even a single year of the past 2000 years of European history ?
More accurately, we’ve become the least ethnocentric people. The difference between whites in 2024 versus whites in 1824 is shocking.
“The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.”
George Washington, 1796
Good essay. It’s amazing how relevant Office Space has stayed even in the digital age. I would love for pretty much the entire managerial class to have to answer “So what exactly would you say you do here?”
Zman’s caution against the HB-1 isn’t frightening enough until you read today’s post in Unz about the character of Indians – https://www.unz.com/article/india-its-worse-than-you-think/
This was a great essay. We should face the historical facts though. Post-industrial America has always been exploitative. Andrew Carnegie came from Scotland as a boy (sorta like Musk from SA) and had no qualms with exploiting immigrant Slavs in steel mills. Yeah he left a university and a music hall, but the oligarchs of old weren’t very different from today’s. The bankers lent too much money to Europe and got us into WWI. So they sent Sgt York from the farm. I don’t want to go full Howard Zinm, but we should keep things in perspective. It’s possible that… Read more »
Your old versus new oligarchs comparison forgets race. Every town in America had a Carnegie library where poor, white boys could learn and improve their lives. Of course, the steel baron got rich from their fathers’ labor, but they and their sons could also benefit from his largess. Today’s billionaires reserve their charity for infinite browns, with the aim of fanning racial tensions and supporting pressure-releasing riots.
Is that really true about those Carnegie libraries? Maybe some were better than others at performing that service.
Because it’s the people, not the the buildings. I’m sure there are a few Carnegie libraries still extant in what are now black or immigrant neighborhoods which serve no purpose other than vandalism. It just depends. Modern oligarchs prefer to waste their charity on low-IQs.
Fair enough. Libraries aside, my point is that Oligarchs have been exploiting immigrant labor in this country since the Potato Famine. It’s an American tradition. (You could argue it goes back to colonial indentured servants and African slaves too). The Oligarchs will stop importing immigrants when it suits them or when Whites rebel.
Exploitation, perhaps. But those white immigrants, ca. 1880-1925, came to America with their eyes wide open, knowing that times would be tough for a while, but also knowing they would be better off here than in the Old Country, and understanding they had more opportunity to live life to the full. The concept of exploitation is mitigated when exploitation is an improvement.
Yes, thank you for the nuance. Except for the more egregious cases (e.g. chattel slavery or any intentional deception or coercion by employer) it should be clear that in most cases of employment offers no deception existed. Some outside observer may well call it “exploitation”, but if the contract was entered into in good faith on both parties’ part, then who was harmed? One of Jesus’s parables even teaches this (Matthew 20). The owner of a vineyard underestimates his labor need. Thus he hires more workers as the day progresses. He promises each of them the same wage (a denarius,… Read more »
Yes, white indentured servants had an unfortunate habit of escaping to the frontier. Neighboring settlers might have their suspicions but largely sympathized. Now a negro pitches up at your cabin and it’s another matter. Contemporary elites love infinite East Indians precisely because of their Indian-ness. Diversity has always been in their interest, not ours.
They exploited because of their greed, not because of their hatred for the mass of Americans.
I am beginning to think there may be more hope to preserve a culture in Europe or Russia. America is destined to be an economic unit burning brightly until it flames out like a strip mall built with tax abatments for the developers.
Yes, I would agree with these observations. Rome had many colonies by the end of the empire. The most commercial of enterprises were in North Africa, when she colonized over another purely economic settlement in Carthage. What’s left of the Roman culture all lives on the Northern half of the Mediterranean sea. (Do not get me started on St. Augustine was a black man because we was born in Africa frustrations.) I think the US will have something of it’s English heritage around. There’s so much land, I could easily see us becoming the nation states of Europe again. I suspect… Read more »
The fate of America and the conventional shopping mall are one and the same. Unless we radically shift to a “maker” culture, we’re doomed. As it stands now, we’re all just selling insurance to one another and wondering where our food comes from.
Having worked for Pat Buchanan in the 1990s, and suffered the career consequences of being associated with the horribly anti-Semitic and isolationist and Natzee “America First” label for decades, I’ve watched with amusement as the term became normalized and then skinsuited over the past decade.
Now it reaches its final form, as an Indian immigrant sitting in front of a laptop wearing a red baseball cap. Fantastic finish. I really have to give the folks who do this for a living a few slow claps.
I’ve worked as a programmer since I was 21 fresh out of college. I remember when the Indian craze started in the early 2000s. Before that, I worked at a very big tech company on a suite of products that had about 400 employees working on them. Almost 99% at the time were White. Most males, but probably about 10% women. What came out of it was some damned good software. Then the craze started, and it all went to shit. Fast forward 27 years and I’m here at my current job. Our company, like all others, desperately tries to… Read more »
Along the same lines, I’ve noticed that researching a new language or framework has become harder and harder. Most of what you find seems to have been written by Indians in their odd dialect and is also quite poorly written and organized. I tried to switch to relying on videos but of course then you just have to listen to some Indian gibbering away in Pajeet pidgin.
Well done, Zman.
Do you have 2-3 bullet points making the moral arguments against immigration? These should flood twitter.
I like to tell libtards how mass immigration is bad for blacks just to see them go into “this does not compute” mode.
Excellent essay. Thanks for stating so succinctly what I sensed, but couldn’t quite parse out. That this attempt to manipulate the national conversation occurred while most of the populace was distracted by religious and familial obligations just underscores how serious our resolve must be to keep our vigilance high.
The White guys who built Silicon Valley had no loyalty to their own people, they might have built HP and Apple and Intel and Microsoft (I know they’re not akshully in Silicon Valley) and Atari and all that but they were the first ones to sell out to foreign labor, outsourcing, and globalization all helped them increase profits. i once read that Silicon Valley is like 70% foreign at this point. That might be an exaggeration or misstated but it’s reasonable for an American to wonder why Americans benefit from it being there and not in Bangalore. Like what do… Read more »
The short answer is that Silicon Valley (or any domestic industry) would be quickly out of business if it had to hire only Americans. Rather, to make my case stronger: if one insists that all the labor and manufacturing is domestic, it puts that corporation at a significant disadvantage to foreign competition. On second thought, let me amend that “quickly” to “slowly” which, as it turns out, is a much more accurate depiction of the decline of not only American but indeed much of the West’s industry since WW II. Even if there had been the odd Capitalist who had… Read more »
The problem with all that is that these countries that will supposedly put ours out of business are almost certainly not filling their countries with foreigners to produce what they do. So how do they remain competitive? Well, of course, these are countries with all around lower wages so the real issue is wage arbitrage. The only real solution to that is some kind of governmental intervention. Of course there are costs to that such as higher prices for the consumer but the social cost of just giving in and accepting a globalized wage marketplace is, among many other horrors,… Read more »
Cheap labor is the Holy Grail of Capitalism. Musk 𝘦𝘵 𝘢𝘭 can no more resist its allure than the wino can resist his bottle of muscatel. Tariffs and nationalism held the cheap labor monster at bay but the demise of one and the weakening of the other has turned it loose with a vengeance. The old pro-labor party gave up on American labor to import a new class of voters and get a new class of supporters: the rich. The pro-business party now serves a different sort of business: trans-national corporations.
I notice people are much more spirited about immigration when it doesn’t involve blacks from the South or refugees. IOW, Americans’ weak spots.
Fine, hammer it to make the larger point about immigration.
Because the plotters are nerds, the error in the Trump skinsuit op is social, a failure to “read the room” as the Twitter girls all say. When you become Trump, we are freed to hate you—to the point of literal assassination. I heard that Elon and his friends received many, many wishes for deliveries from Luigi’s Restaurant yesterday. A Christmas miracle! The incoming administration’s police-state crackdown on “antisemitism” won’t make all of that go away. Of course Musk and Vance and Vivek et al. live behind a wall of cops—they’re libertarians!—so comeuppance won’t find them, but instead whatever “bro” (nerd)… Read more »
“It is tempting to call this feudalism, mostly because feudalism has an odor about it, but the feudal elite actually had a bond with the peasants. The feudal order started with the reciprocal relationships between the elites, but it also included vertical relations that bound the top to the bottom. The king had a duty to his people. In this age, the oligarch has no duty to his employees. They are mere economic units to be exploited in order to fulfil his obligations to his fellow shareholders.” Amen and thank you for this. Feudalism had it’s flaws. However our over… Read more »
This is unsurprising.
While Twitter and social media as a whole are not indicative of real life, the immediate and ferocious backlash against Sacks, Musk, and Co. is white pilling as hell. Younger people, particularly, have had enough. The fact this was floated before inauguration is the only surprise here outside of that intense response.
Aspirational and/or ethnic Jews before Indians.
You’ve knocked it out of the park today! Brilliant thinking and beautifully stated.
Has Mr. Musk noticed what happened to S.Africa after the 3rd world took over?
He got much, much richer than his ancestors.
But we shouldn’t credit him with sophisticated evil. He’s not smart.
He’s management.
Yeah… but why did King Sigismund allow Gypsies in Europe? Now that I think about it, the way gypsies flooded Europe is very reminiscent of the current invasion from the third world. Including the betrayal by elites. How long has this disconnect between the people and their rulers been going on?
Coincidentally, the Gypsies originally came from northern India. That said, I’m not sure their numbers were ever large enough to compromise Western civilization quite the way the current invaders do.
Their numbers were not enough to replace the existing populations, partly because their culture and lifestyle set their Malthusian limits lower than the native populations. However, their numbers were large enough to be a nuisance to distract the peasants.
Look up nuisance in Websters and there’s a pic of some crone weighted down with golden earrings, necklaces and bracelets, and garish shawls and headscarves.
Definitely no coincidence. Very similar people. Maximim tribalism, better grifters and far more talented musically, but low IQ. Average lifespan 52.
“ In the end it must fail because American is not a corporation. It is a people.”
Or it is nothing.
And fail it will. Spectacularly.
Over the last 500 years, virtually every significant innovation came from the work of Whites in Europe and North America. Pajeets in India and Chinese account for a fraction of the Nobel laureates in science fields compared to the U.S. but somehow we can’t figure out how to run websites without low wage code monkeys?
https://www.arthursido.com/2024/12/watch-the-pivot.html
There have been many good posts on twitter on the immigration fracas, but for an eye opener, read the replies and comments. There are really a lot of young, very ticked off, white guys out there. They’ve done everything right, and get lied to and sent on their way. Trump got a lot of young people’s votes, and that’s the reason.
You gotta admire the mental gymnastics [intellectual dishonesty] involved with David Sacks’ attempt to justify Sriram Krishnan’s appointment as “America First.” Regrettably, this is only one of so many more examples. In fact all of politics, at present all of it, has reached this foul depth. I wish David Sacks would have at least rationalized Sriram Krishnan’s appointment as “Globohomo First” (and thus a positive thing, of course). While this would be every bit as harmful and would stink every bit as much, at least then David Sacks would be honest and forthright about who and what he represents, and… Read more »
An easy way for him to justify it would to say there is a need for contrary voices or say that this guy may not be onboard with many things, but he is onboard with this one thing.
It is incredible to me that these tech bros are so tone deaf on this issue. They could have ignored the whole thing and saved themselves the trouble, but I suspect they thought MAGA was onboard with Infinity Hindus. Great example of how insulated these people are from the rest of us.
They did do some “battlespace prep,” the seemingly inexplicable (until the Christmas attack) invention of the “woke right” description of any non-leftist who recognizes systemic anti-whiteness. It seemed like an insular tantrum among the manufactured e-celebs of “the right flank of the left,” didn’t it? Today, Elon joined that rhetorical campaign against us. If Trump adopts “woke right,” the assassination plot (alternate ending) was a success.
Who’s been left out of the plan and reacted naturally to all this isn’t exactly the list I’d have predicted. Like Auron MacIntyre. Secretly based? Apparently.
Merry Christmas Z Man; another great blog with truth. People tend to have short memories, so I will be brief. This same argument was used with Africans 160 years ago-you see how that has worked out. Whites are now the Indians of the late 1800s. Just turn your football game on, everything will be fine. Happy New Year from an unemployed, disenfranchised, over 50 year old Caucasian.
and as sense of life, we don’t want to share land with another tribe, reason that land belong to us is our ancestors fought and died for
what white people doing is a condemnation on their ancestors, and their children
Why white people are so stupid and immoral, give their power to Jews when they gonna treat white people as slaves or condoms that used and throw away?
A key word in the penultimate paragraph is “rational.” Unfortunately, when corporatism is a religion, the employee may well be a zealot. The ratio to rational vs. irrational is the question that can dictate a great deal of the future.
Motorized doorstops, lol.
If the cost of Elon getting to land on Mars is the complete destruction of America, I’m afraid he’s just going to have to settle for being the world’s first trillionaire.
Can’t he just build a “Mars simulator” in the desert or some dark hole instead?
Welcome to the Volkerwanderung https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
Wonder how long “MAGA” sours to “buyer’s remorse”, then degenerates into “well, still better than the alternative” to “fuck we’re screwed”.
A side issue at least with many tech jobs: If the job could have been outsourced to a usually cheaper foreign location, it would have been. Thirty years ago, in my mid 30s when I was at university (Computer Science BS program) if I was in a sarcastic mood I would sometimes tell younger students that India and similar nations were filled with English-speaking Computer Scientists (BS or better) that worked for 10% of what the average salary in the US was. If that was broadly true (I think so) it’s probably gotten only truer in the decades since. And… Read more »
No Sky people care for their own homeland, so might as well say, Earth Inc. Name one billionaire who won’t sacrifice their own heritage for extra caviar at those pretentious dinner parties?! Our own people don’t care about each other that much, how could they.. after all the betrayal, lies and worthless platitudes. Everyone on this side of the divide is on their own, without much of a chance to organize into a cohesive united force against the managers of this planet. Truth is, killing CEO’s on mass is the only way forward to victory, and if you don’t want… Read more »
Looks like um,um,um,um,um,um Yarvin, um,um,um,um,um, got his desire. He claims a CEO is a monarch and that we need the CEO to fix the company. Given that immigration is the key issue it is hard to see now. Kash Patel will reform the FBI. Srinam Krishnan will work with David Sacks to open the floodgates to Indian programmers. I remember my first day in India. The headline news in the Bangalore rag was that three quarters of the legislature had not shown up once to Parliament. That was in November. I remember going to the Brahmin neighborhood. The houses were… Read more »
P.S. We also have confirmation that Vivek running around and embracing septigenarian MAGAs in the Midwest was nothing more than what it was most likely to be. He was running around talking up America First and calling himself in on the We as We Americans. It was all BS.
The real Vivek had campaign signs in non RW&B and just said, “Vivek”, on them. The real Vivek was the guy who posted him and his son at the Collosseum in Rome and said it was, “a part of our history.”
This thing is finished.
The split during the mid Cold War was between a more Russian-friendly GOP and more China-leaning Democrats. Thus Pepsi went to Moscow and Coca-Cola went to Peking. During this time supposedly non-aligned India (read non-Marxist but anti-colonial, i.e. anti-Western) was seeking advantage between the two. US policy was generally pro-Pakistan, more so under Republicans. Yet GOP outreach to India kicked into high gear under W. At the time this was seen as a counterbalance to both Islam and China, but I wonder. I do not know much about either party’s approach with regard to either foreign or immigration policy during… Read more »
“…not a lot different than how the mafia operated Las Vegas or the Teamsters Union back in the 1970’s.”
Lol, forgivable dumb statement becausr Z wasn’t around then. Las Vegas was always about exploitation and profit, never pretended to be otherwise. The mob never had delusions about it, either. Also, generally accepted the place ran better for it, too. Kids.
Nope, he’s D.D. Harriman, The Man Who Sold The Moon (Mars…).
This debacle isn’t on the elites, it is entirely on the shoulders of Trump and his supporters including the majority of the readers of this blog. Trump stabbed white people in the back for 4 years Trump told you explicitly that he wanted to vastly expand legal immigration including H1B Now you fools are butthurt that the “betrayal” that was telegraphed long in advance is happening. Looks like its now time for all the “dissident” influencers to act like rebel leaders again after grifting off of Trump during the campaign. You get what you deserve, and quite frankly I don’t… Read more »
Most people here have been skeptical or hostile towards Trump for a long time. This is not a boomer MAGA blog.
Worse, its a fake dissident blog. I respect Brietbart more for the honesty and lack of pretensions.
I watched how this place changed during the 2024 election, The majority of posters went from trashing Trump during 2017-2021 to actively cheering on his campaign in 2024.
No matter what you say during his 2nd term, I have no doubt the same fools will fall for some future kayfabe theater in the future.
NO REFUNDS!
You are hallucinating. Go away and never come back.
When warned against voting for Trump, Zman told one of his posters to “go kill himself”.
Zman is another degenerate grifter who needs to be liquidated.
As someone who has been consistently hostile towards Trump, I can’t express how nice it’s been to be proven correct in my assertions, especially before he’s even been inaugurated. What I can’t understand is your insolence. Have some magnanimity and act like you’ve been right before at some point during your miserable existence.
Insolence?
When Zman tells people to delete themselves, there is every justification for insolence.
True. I’m guessing around half of us didn’t even vote. Hardly a ringing endorsement of Trump.
Very much so. At best, Trump is the (slightly) lesser of two evils. He still answers to many of the same powerful forces. Anyone who expects a Savior should get off at the next stop. If we get a few more conservative judicial appointments and no Cabinet positions staffed by a man in a dress we’lll have accomplished a lot.
Interesting that the only time you hear from these (trolls?) folk are when they are defaming the group they are posting in. All the time boasting of their moral superiority and the lack of ours as if we don’t even deserve their scorn, much less their “wisdom and guidance”. Sigh…
”…full of sound and fury, signifying nothing…”
Nothing changes until the environment changes. And time is running out on the Ponzi scheme, so they need to act fast with CBDC because once free money ends and real hardship returns, the plebs are going to go berserk. Collapse, chaos, and fog begets a flourishing of Luigis armed with cheap DYI drones equipped with hunter-seeker AI. That is the only form of accountability with a chance to motivate real change. And it only takes a few hits to start the stampede. Now is the time to substitute planning for pissing & moaning.
To be honest, who knows if it will work or not. Gut feeling is no but this is a radically different way to organize people than has ever been attempted in a nation state.
What will we do if it actually works, or doesn’t instantly collapse?
my greatest fear is this ends up somehow working better than the sort of mutated half method we have currently. Justifying its continued existence.
is it really that far off than what moldbug wanted with his “corporate state?” If we could just make a handful of the tech billionaires race realists….
I’d have to double check but I think the Kamala supporter bit might’ve been just another Indian with the same name. https://x.com/hodgetwins/status/1872084727676727724
One of your best. After all the nonsense about Christianity, I wondered if it was worthwhile to read this blog. Posts like this convince me to do it.
Ask for a full refund. The button is on the top right 🙂
Most times for an adult to learn something he needs to unlearn something else. This process never ends if one loves unpleasant truths more than himself, and never begins without it.
People in general are repelled by it. Some throw out terms like “nonsense” without stopping to think that far better minds than their own have explained in detail why they believe. And no, I am not a Christian.